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"clue@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-clue-signaling Thread-Index: AdKXC5pzx4QuuBIfQnuVL81zl2SpcQ== Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 06:29:29 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78DF6F@DGGEMM506-MBS.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.201.224] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78DF6FDGGEMM506MBSchina_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090202.58BE5356.0029, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.77, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 440e02b30dca18968c8589dd01328fd9 Archived-At: Cc: Paul Kyzivat Subject: [clue] IPR on draft-ietf-clue-signaling X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 06:29:46 -0000 --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78DF6FDGGEMM506MBSchina_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, We are almost ready to send the signaling document to publication There are two IPR statement against the individual drafts from Polycom see= https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-cl= ue-signaling Does anyone have a problem with publishing the document with these IPRs, I = asked Steve Botzko and Mark to see if Polycom intends to update these IPR d= eclarations Thanks Roni Even CLUE WG co-chair --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78DF6FDGGEMM506MBSchina_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

We are almost ready to send the signaling document t= o publication

There are two IPR statement against the individual d= rafts from Polycom  see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf= -clue-signaling

Does anyone have a problem with publishing the docum= ent with these IPRs, I asked Steve Botzko and Mark to see if Polycom intend= s to update these IPR declarations

Thanks

Roni Even

CLUE WG co-chair

--_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78DF6FDGGEMM506MBSchina_-- From nobody Tue Mar 7 08:22:02 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FDEF1294BD for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 08:18:26 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GT5hXlp4xlNP for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 08:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:40]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9F5AB128824 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 08:18:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.97]) by resqmta-ch2-08v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id lHnYclNNCy4bMlHoccSmeh; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:18:22 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1488903502; bh=gEYcUtJb4ZNV9YMg1mxjqHsxXh35FQqsakKVrKWWjlo=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=ZUtodC4CBg2iqecxLC9OAPCBkJQE6s6s9YvFSTHQttJhW/3gROK/LflI8JhhKiuWK Bmi3uKkyy7BtjUUPELGFuL7U8ldQ+Wbt28Gw4PH6Ni5lMg5FDgkStq520QkKp65tTX mdt2YfzSpVgxhgVPqzVxmSdV0Oagj27f0xXqjajg7Fbn4ld2RqRnmqn8YmuAleQjbO 4QIxJDf+0ShRVR4i9B5W9nQ0Z5VDowbSF69DysxB7rRJMhHLovx+zuNailwy58cBoM EQfQgOF+s0U0LYOch8c6pc2ZbFyOW6V/63CTDeBwb2WLFvFF+HGAMzUrqRKTQ3zEPc q3lok/+CslFag== Received: from [192.168.1.110] ([73.186.127.100]) by resomta-ch2-01v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id lHoacaeEut7zrlHobcg0LT; Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:18:21 +0000 To: Roni Even , "clue@ietf.org" References: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78DF6F@DGGEMM506-MBS.china.huawei.com> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <02df84d9-dccc-b11d-c4cd-6b4f050f9a68@comcast.net> Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:18:20 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.7.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78DF6F@DGGEMM506-MBS.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfF+4JtboZJOlBhbT5TbiZqd7+38wmKT07TKThdpV9AvwMIFYz6a+GmyZzleurTtG5R1FYexkuDsZoDooaC6Qdbnizriozc/v4QNu1K//INgBBmjSskP5 7u2nLZW21Yk+OaiYjhd2Ws58lquUc/ghb9G+qYThvrhEAFB7wHGB2v4zOv6infHJCYDtT8vxDImSffBa0AdClkFjoVaZ2Tpo1l3JILMDv3EsJX7psYb3v/zP 9CTTEvh+k0AJAADL8RTF3PSgetDaY3a5kAjAVxrxqps= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [clue] IPR on draft-ietf-clue-signaling X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 16:18:26 -0000 On 3/7/17 1:29 AM, Roni Even wrote: > Hi, > > We are almost ready to send the signaling document to publication > > There are two IPR statement against the individual drafts from Polycom > see > https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=draft&id=draft-ietf-clue-signaling > > > Does anyone have a problem with publishing the document with these IPRs, > I asked Steve Botzko and Mark to see if Polycom intends to update these > IPR declarations I would like to see that there is free license to anyone to implement the drafts. But I guess it is better to publish in any case. Thanks, Paul From nobody Tue Mar 7 11:54:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietf.org Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A75D12954B; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 11:54:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148891647842.17608.2063708055875651824@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 11:54:38 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: clue@ietf.org, ipr-announce@ietf.org Subject: [clue] IPR Disclosure Polycom, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-clue-signaling X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 19:54:38 -0000 Dear Paul Kyzivat, Lennard Xiao, Christian Groves, Robert Hansen: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "CLUE Signaling" (draft-ietf-clue-signaling) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2960/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Polycom, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-clue-signaling" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Tue Mar 7 22:36:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73976129448 for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 22:36:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y1AMz-Etrq9R for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 22:35:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3E5712941D for ; Tue, 7 Mar 2017 22:35:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id DCJ65073; Wed, 08 Mar 2017 06:35:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) by lhreml706-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.47) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.301.0; Wed, 8 Mar 2017 06:35:54 +0000 Received: from DGGEMM402-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.3.20.210) by NKGEML413-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.74) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 8 Mar 2017 14:35:51 +0800 Received: from DGGEMM506-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.77]) by DGGEMM402-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.3.20.210]) with mapi id 14.03.0301.000; Wed, 8 Mar 2017 14:35:50 +0800 From: Roni Even To: "clue@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IPR on draft-ietf-clue-signaling - update Thread-Index: AdKX1jmw2llbUXWERN62+qpfFF4R0w== Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 06:35:50 +0000 Message-ID: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78E43E@DGGEMM506-MBS.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.200.201.224] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78E43EDGGEMM506MBSchina_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090205.58BFA64C.002F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.77, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 1c1e1a4d37b298347ba58349699e9aad Archived-At: Cc: Paul Kyzivat Subject: [clue] IPR on draft-ietf-clue-signaling - update X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 06:36:00 -0000 --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78E43EDGGEMM506MBSchina_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just an update Polycom updated the IPR statement see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2960= / Roni Even Hi, We are almost ready to send the signaling document to publication There are two IPR statement against the individual drafts from Polycom see= https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf-cl= ue-signaling Does anyone have a problem with publishing the document with these IPRs, I = asked Steve Botzko and Mark to see if Polycom intends to update these IPR d= eclarations Thanks Roni Even CLUE WG co-chair --_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78E43EDGGEMM506MBSchina_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just an update

 

Polycom updated the IPR statement see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2960/

 

Roni Even

 

Hi,

We are almost ready to send the signaling document t= o publication

There are two IPR statement against the individual d= rafts from Polycom  see https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-ietf= -clue-signaling

Does anyone have a problem with publishing the docum= ent with these IPRs, I asked Steve Botzko and Mark to see if Polycom intend= s to update these IPR declarations

Thanks

Roni Even

CLUE WG co-chair

 

--_000_6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD78E43EDGGEMM506MBSchina_-- From nobody Mon Mar 13 08:08:19 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietf.org Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7033D1296DD; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:08:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.47.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <148941769742.17001.4763808671939834710@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:08:17 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: clue@ietf.org Subject: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11.txt X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:08:17 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the ControLling mUltiple streams for tElepresence of the IETF. Title : CLUE Signaling Authors : Paul Kyzivat Lennard Xiao Christian Groves Robert Hansen Filename : draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: This document specifies how CLUE-specific signaling such as the CLUE protocol and the CLUE data channel are used in conjunction with each other and with existing signaling mechanisms such as SIP and SDP to produce a telepresence call. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-signaling/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 13 08:11:52 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28BE1296FF for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:11:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.522 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NgULCWzlJlYj for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 38A5E1296FC for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 08:11:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2198; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1489417908; x=1490627508; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ZLllhxncImWvv+ew/12j8aMcZjZjFfrVRVSkqpc24yA=; b=T2afl1aacSz71RhOxV/BQR5WomQ/+qbylEH/a1HfzLhpufXF6q+dnzwt hFxy/SodI0NhlmgZhlVDoPupNt2aOUOvpcM9dqFZF4TMy11/Ra54KCxhr yb2n9nt6VlvaOkQLTmApXG13MqNPmw9DYDrstSy45CevrGXbC8LSBdPdq 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AUAQDqtcZY/4oNJK1dGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBgycqYYEKB41nkU+VO4IOHwuFeAKCWz8YAQIBAQEBAQEBax0LhRU?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAwEBbBcEAgEIEQQBASgHJwsUCQgCBBMIiXgOsFGKTgEBAQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBAQEBAQEBAR2LPYMXhyIFgSsBjnCMIwIBhnWLOoIEVIRRigWTQgEfOIEEWC0?= =?us-ascii?q?pZoNxHYFjdYhGgQ0BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.36,159,1486425600"; d="scan'208";a="397360189" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 13 Mar 2017 15:11:47 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-020.cisco.com (xch-rcd-020.cisco.com [173.37.102.30]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v2DFBlYj006315 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:11:47 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-016.cisco.com (173.37.102.26) by XCH-RCD-020.cisco.com (173.37.102.30) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:11:46 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-016.cisco.com ([173.37.102.26]) by XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com ([173.37.102.26]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:11:46 -0500 From: "Rob Hansen (rohanse2)" To: "clue@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11.txt Thread-Index: AQHSnAutCTeSUossoUaLFUwRCc19g6GS32Tg Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:11:46 +0000 Message-ID: <64ce7596d86b4200991924fa2da0effc@XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com> References: <148941769742.17001.4763808671939834710@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <148941769742.17001.4763808671939834710@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-GB, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.82.239.169] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11.txt X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 15:11:50 -0000 Minor tweaks based on Roni's suggestions and idnits: * Some informative references added for SIP and SDP. * 'a=3Dmid' lines added to example m-lines with port 0, per RFC5888 sectio= n 6. * Instace of 'must' changed to normative 'MUST', along with various minor = clarifications and corrections. * Abstract made standalone without citations, per RFC7322 section 4.3. * RFC editor note added to remove this section.=A0 Enjoy Chicago, all, Rob -----Original Message----- From: clue [mailto:clue-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf= .org Sent: 13 March 2017 15:08 To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: clue@ietf.org Subject: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the ControLling mUltiple streams for tEleprese= nce of the IETF. Title : CLUE Signaling Authors : Paul Kyzivat Lennard Xiao Christian Groves Robert Hansen Filename : draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11.txt Pages : 38 Date : 2017-03-13 Abstract: This document specifies how CLUE-specific signaling such as the CLUE protocol and the CLUE data channel are used in conjunction with each other and with existing signaling mechanisms such as SIP and SDP to produce a telepresence call. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-signaling/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-clue-signaling-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ clue mailing list clue@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/clue From nobody Mon Mar 13 14:22:26 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FE6129A59 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:22:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=comcast.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vq0p7ffCW9OU for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:22:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net (resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net [IPv6:2001:558:fe21:29:69:252:207:37]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D5CDC129AD5 for ; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 14:22:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.108]) by resqmta-ch2-05v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id nXPvcckEV4CjQnXQ3c4Pg1; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:22:19 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20161114; t=1489440139; bh=eWgw3PAC2YT/Y2qBEL41Ms+dXWEhOLtpBRgngM6nlhY=; h=Received:Received:Subject:To:From:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=nt/I3OmGSth4Hwb+m0YekWKP92HmsLMH1ECjxBZzXzVF2DE6hfQMKL4xjR+yspiN3 VKz/mN6ah4gEgPdRJVgdD8f1LeCU4dQpx76uGEV62tUfzG14sdLSuoiFmGBrMmn55t rPYAyPcXxzmuTTFHQNMCfU76DMsVAscZ2hznKwA+hkOh9Jx+/ky9m0yff1NPtMb4AV onSe6JSQv4jkvfvOUF0qdmbAbX62eVH/fDaARQhy96Le4fYWFM7w31ibsXD34oJMJk IcRlsUdUwcKbCkFIjDITKlwClBfPMwDN1uouiLj1ew7hWWd+T1pki+d2jdoEfDsUei 1zuBc0BWORG1w== Received: from [192.168.1.110] ([73.186.127.100]) by resomta-ch2-12v.sys.comcast.net with SMTP id nXQ2c7jlsQybtnXQ2cdGPb; Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:22:19 +0000 To: clue@ietf.org References: <148941769742.17001.4763808671939834710@ietfa.amsl.com> <64ce7596d86b4200991924fa2da0effc@XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: <5b60f2c8-fc5e-6b8b-a6aa-c62ea974a38a@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 17:22:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <64ce7596d86b4200991924fa2da0effc@XCH-RCD-016.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfIXaHfJ2vOE690096NIj4SM7YYecM2Cgciaif0kfI/ibD+x86RBY9/+fz9CtnnF59ysao9xEsZleTqfObgbz9pPLpSECPqiqqPLbu/q2rJfBZoKZAqRd RQFXpXk4lZ5OQ3fKBXWKqGFZrOtzSthF+TdbbRF8XfBWE1BtEvTekQhM Archived-At: Subject: Re: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-signaling-11.txt X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 21:22:22 -0000 On 3/13/17 11:11 AM, Rob Hansen (rohanse2) wrote: > Minor tweaks based on Roni's suggestions and idnits: > > * Some informative references added for SIP and SDP. > * 'a=mid' lines added to example m-lines with port 0, per RFC5888 section 6. > * Instace of 'must' changed to normative 'MUST', along with various minor clarifications and corrections. > * Abstract made standalone without citations, per RFC7322 section 4.3. > * RFC editor note added to remove this section. IMO the new MUST in 4.2 isn't right. This isn't a normative statement. Instead it is simply a statement of logical necessity: since the channel conveys the protocol messages, it is a prerequisite for exchanging protocol messages. But this isn't a big deal. I don't mind if it gets published this way. In the same section, regarding the introduction of "offer" into the following: The data channel is negotiated over SDP as described in [I-D.ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg]. A CLUE-capable device wishing to negotiate CLUE MUST also include a CLUE group in the SDP offer and include the "mid" of the "m=" line for the data channel in that group. A CLUE group MUST include the "mid" of the "m=" line for one (and only one) data channel. ISTM that both offerer and answerer are involved in this negotiation, and this statement applies to both. So I think it was more correct before "offer" was added. This could be changed to "... offer or answer ...". But again I'm not sure if this is worth changing. What do others think? Thanks, Paul