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Even (A)" , "draft-ietf-clue-protocol.all@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-clue-signaling.all@ietf.org" Cc: "clue@ietf.org" , Adam Roach References: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18CB3090@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> From: Paul Kyzivat Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2019 10:54:13 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18CB3090@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [clue] Need authors action - finish the signaling and protocol documents X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 15:54:18 -0000 On 2/7/19 1:17 AM, Roni Even (A) wrote: > Hi, > Based on the feedback from the WG it look OK to have the protocol document as experimental RFC. > > Can the authors of these two documents address the IESG comments so that we can finish the work. Rob, I'll defer to you since you have held the pen for a long time. I'll lend a hand if you like. Thanks, Paul > For the signaling please see https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-signaling/ballot/ > > For the protocol https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-protocol/ballot/ > > Thanks > Roni Even > CLUE WG co-chair > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 1:14 AM > To: draft-ietf-clue-protocol.all@ietf.org; draft-ietf-clue-signaling.all@ietf.org > Subject: CLUE: Need author action, input > > CLUE document authors (cc chairs, shepherds, and ADs) -- > > The IESG review of the core CLUE documents last November resulted in significant comments, including a number of blocking ("DISCUSS") comments. Publication of these documents cannot proceed until the blocking comments have been addressed (and it is my personal policy that I expect each non-blocking comment to at least receive a response from the authors acknowledging the comment and indicating whether any changes to the document will result). > > We did have a short discussion [1] on the CLUE mailing list regarding whether it would be feasible to publish the core CLUE documents as Experimental. I read Stephen and Christer's input as indicating that doing so would cause issues with external organizations. On the other hand, if we never publish the CLUE documents, then they remain equally unavailable to those organizations along with the rest of the world. > > So I have an important decision to make: do we move forward in trying to address the DISCUSS comments on the protocol document? Or do we move to Experimental and make CLUE unavailable to ITU-T and 3GPP? > > The key to answering this question is whether the authors have the time available to address the more complicated DISCUSS points raised on the protocol document. If so, we can push forward towards fixing the documents and getting them out the door. If not, we should go for experimental and let ITU-T and 3GPP deal with the fallout in whatever way makes most sense for them. (Regardless of which path we choose, the remaining IESG comments need action.) > > Authors: what level of commitment can you make to completing these documents? > > /a > > ____ > [1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/clue/1o3-x4T_J9lZGp50Z4rOIpmsE60 >