From nobody Thu Apr 4 02:01:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietf.org Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909B0120059; Thu, 4 Apr 2019 02:01:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-clue-datachannel@ietf.org, Paul Kyzivat , clue-chairs@ietf.org, pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu, clue@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke?= Message-ID: <155436850654.30890.4196763292564400907.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 02:01:46 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] =?utf-8?q?=C3=89ric_Vyncke=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-ietf?= =?utf-8?q?-clue-datachannel-15=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Apr 2019 09:01:47 -0000 Éric Vyncke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- While the I-D was waiting for missing references, RFC 2119 has been obsoleted by RFC 8174 => please update section 2. It is unclear for me in section 3.2.7 whether the 'stream reset' actually refers to RFC 6525 "SSN reset". Looking forward to being enlighten on this point. *Nits* Section 3.2.2, I wonder whether the note is really required as it restates parts of another documents (even if it gives some more context as in other subsections of section 3.2). 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Sat, 6 Apr 2019 03:10:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Joerg Ott via Datatracker To: Cc: clue@ietf.org, ietf@ietf.org, draft-ietf-clue-datachannel.all@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Joerg Ott Message-ID: <155454542038.21923.2921333331745224065@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 03:10:20 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] Tsvart telechat review of draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15 X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 06 Apr 2019 10:10:20 -0000 Reviewer: Joerg Ott Review result: Almost Ready This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review team's ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document's authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to the IETF discussion list for information. When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review. Please see the comments below. Best, Jörg Reviewing this document for tsv-art, I don't see any any transport-specific issues in the document, but a bunch of other (smaller) issues and nits came up. I am not sure that that the reference to a "SIP User Agent" as an entity is strictly correct here. SIP User Agents are defined in RFC 3261 to carry out SIP transactions. Just speaking about "User Agents" may be more accurate. But this is just a side note. Section 3.2.3 defines behaviour in a negative way, i.e., via MUST NOT statements, excluding all but one possibility. This could be problematic in the future if another option gets added to SCTP usage, which would then implicitly be allowed. It would be better if the behaviour was defined i a positive way, i.e., using MUST. Sect. 3.2.5, 2nd para: use "MUST" instead of "must" since this appears to be normative, so RFC 2119 wording should be used. Sect. 3.2.7, 1st para: this appears t be normative language and thus should use the RFC 2119 keywords. Sect. 3.3.1.1, table 1 + 2nd para after table 1: the text in the 2nd para defines the value for the "application usage"; this should also be reflected in table 1 since it seems that only one application usage is defined. Sect. 3.3.1.2.: this again appears to be normative, so RFC 2119 language should be used. What does the sentence "A CLUE entity can choose any valid SCTP port value." mean in this context? Is a "valid SCTP port" value that of a previously established SCTP connection within the context of the SIP session? If such a match is desired it should be specified or a reference to a peer document (draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26?) should be provided. Sect. 3.3.2: NOTE statement: It is ok to have a note but this still is somewhat normative. It should also be specified what happens if the values _are_ set by the peer. What is the error handling? Ignore? Reject the connection setup? Figure 1 is a nice example. But it would be even better if a complete example with the SDP for the data channel setup (in the previous or the same offer/answer exchange) be given. Makes life easier for readers and implementers. Editorial: Don't just copy the first paragraph(s) from the introduction to create an abstract. 3.2.2, 2nd para, 3rd line: "what" -> "which" Sect. 3.3.1: the ref to the clue-signalling draft is missing a link (all other refs have one). Fix the formatting of table 2 to avoid letter breaking from words. From nobody Mon Apr 8 08:39:03 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietf.org Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFB02120174; Mon, 8 Apr 2019 08:38:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind_via_Datatracker?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-clue-datachannel@ietf.org, Paul Kyzivat , clue-chairs@ietf.org, pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu, clue@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= Message-ID: <155473793974.14547.17937906805522764802.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 08:38:59 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft-?= =?utf-8?q?ietf-clue-datachannel-15=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2019 15:39:00 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Please have a look at the comments from the TSV-ART review (and thanks to Jörg for the review)! 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Wed, 10 Apr 2019 07:16:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Benjamin Kaduk via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-clue-datachannel@ietf.org, Paul Kyzivat , clue-chairs@ietf.org, pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu, clue@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Benjamin Kaduk Message-ID: <155490581889.22863.747311121377162579.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 07:16:58 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] Benjamin Kaduk's No Objection on draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 14:16:59 -0000 Benjamin Kaduk has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Section 1 This includes SCTP considerations specific to a CLUE data channel, the SDP Media Description (m- line) values, and usage of SDP attributes specific to a CLUE data channel. nit: "m= line" Section 2 Please use the RFC 8174 boilerplate. Section 3.1 the WebRTC data channel mechanism. This includes a set of SCTP characteristics specific to a CLUE data channel, the values of the m- line describing the SCTPoDTLS association associated with the WebRTC nit: "m= line"? Section 3.2.7 As described in [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol], in order to close a data channel, an entity sends an SCTP reset message [RFC6525] on its This reference would normally make draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol a normative reference, but I think that perhaps the intended reference is actually draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-channel (which is already a normative reference). In particular, Section 6.7 of the latter document is about "Closing a Data Channel" and mentions resetting the streams. Section 3.3.2 The values of the SDP dcmap attribute [I-D.ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg], associated with the m- line nit: "m= line"? Section 5.1 I note that the WebSocket Subprotocol Name Registry has the "first come, first served" registration policy, which makes a declarative statement like this ("this document adds") a bit risky -- what if someone else swoops in to register this name? 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MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: Roman Danyliw via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-clue-datachannel@ietf.org, Paul Kyzivat , clue-chairs@ietf.org, pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu, clue@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Roman Danyliw Message-ID: <155494329235.22694.2977698573542744808.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2019 17:41:32 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] Roman Danyliw's No Objection on draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 00:41:33 -0000 Roman Danyliw has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- A few nits: (1) Section 1. Typo (missing space). s/[I-D.ietf-clue-protocol]messages/ [I-D.ietf-clue-protocol] messages/ (2) Section 1. Editorial Nit. s/data channel Establishment Protocol/ Data Channel Establishment Protocol/ (3) Section 3.2.1, Typo s/(e.g. regarding ordered delivery )/ (e.g., regarding ordered delivery)/ (4) Section 3.2.1. Typo. s/signalled/signaled/ (5) Section 3.2.3, Per “[I-D.ietf-rtcweb-data-channel] also mandates support of the limited retransmission policy defined in [RFC7496].”, I was expecting to read something about how this extension is also not needed by CLUE like the previous part of the paragraph. Right now the text only states something about rtcweb but not CLUE. 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Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:31:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: clue@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: clue@ietf.org Message-ID: <155552586373.21270.6489199068727176070@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:31:03 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-16.txt X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:31:04 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the ControLling mUltiple streams for tElepresence WG of the IETF. Title : CLUE Protocol data channel Author : Christer Holmberg Filename : draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-16.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-04-17 Abstract: This document defines how to use the WebRTC data channel mechanism in order to realize a data channel, referred to as a CLUE data channel, for transporting CLUE protocol messages between two CLUE entities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-16 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Precedence: bulk Reply-To: clue@ietf.org Message-ID: <155552748616.21350.12132524886680409283@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 11:58:06 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-17.txt X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 18:58:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the ControLling mUltiple streams for tElepresence WG of the IETF. Title : CLUE Protocol data channel Author : Christer Holmberg Filename : draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-17.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-04-17 Abstract: This document defines how to use the WebRTC data channel mechanism in order to realize a data channel, referred to as a CLUE data channel, for transporting CLUE protocol messages between two CLUE entities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-17 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-17 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-17 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , adam@nostrum.com, draft-ietf-clue-datachannel@ietf.org, clue@ietf.org, pkyzivat@alum.mit.edu, clue-chairs@ietf.org, Paul Kyzivat , rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <155552839254.21192.10686144667011745150.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 12:13:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] Document Action: 'CLUE Protocol data channel' to Experimental RFC (draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-17.txt) X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 19:13:12 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'CLUE Protocol data channel' (draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-17.txt) as Experimental RFC This document is the product of the ControLling mUltiple streams for tElepresence Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Adam Roach, Alexey Melnikov and Barry Leiba. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ Technical Summary This document defines how to use the WebRTC data channel mechanism in order to realize a data channel, referred to as a CLUE data channel, for transporting CLUE protocol messages between two CLUE entities. The document defines how to describe the SCTP over DTLS association used to realize the CLUE data channel using the Session Description Protocol (SDP), and defines usage of the SDP-based "SCTP over DTLS" data channel negotiation mechanism for establishing a CLUE data channel. Details and procedures associated with the CLUE protocol, and the SDP Offer/Answer procedures for negotiating usage of a CLUE data channel, are outside the scope of this document. Working Group Summary There was some difficulty in deciding what mechanism to use to establish the CLUE data channel: whether to the in-band mechanism of draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol, or the SDP offer/answer mechanism of draft-ietf-mmusic-data-channel-sdpneg. Since offer/answer is heavily used in CLUE, the O/A mechanism was preferred, but the work on defining it lagged, and it isn't overtly supported in RTCWEB. But the work on that draft has advanced well so that the group is now willing to accept that dependency. Document Quality Are there existing implementations of the protocol? One vendor has prototyped and demonstrated CLUE support in their product. Have a significant number of vendors indicated their plan to implement the specification? Beyond the prototype, no specific plans have yet been announced. Are there any reviewers that merit special mention as having done a thorough review, e.g., one that resulted in important changes or a conclusion that the document had no substantive issues? None that stand out. If there was a MIB Doctor, Media Type or other expert review, what was its course (briefly)? In the case of a Media Type review, on what date was the request posted? None apply to this document Personnel Who is the Document Shepherd? Paul Kyzivat Who is the Responsible Area Director? Adam Roach From nobody Wed Apr 17 13:32:10 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B4B120163; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:32:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wPEKUM_u_OMI; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:32:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-out1.informatik.tu-muenchen.de (mail-out1.in.tum.de [131.159.0.8]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 491D2120098; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:32:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.in.tum.de (Postfix, from userid 107) id C4F0A1C29B1; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:32:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: (Authenticated sender: ott) by mail.in.tum.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7198D1C29A9; Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:31:59 +0200 (CEST) (Extended-Queue-bit tech_gjgjy@fff.in.tum.de) To: Christer Holmberg , Joerg Ott , "tsv-art@ietf.org" Cc: "clue@ietf.org" , "ietf@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-clue-datachannel.all@ietf.org" References: <155454542038.21923.2921333331745224065@ietfa.amsl.com> <0EF5B2C0-2E33-4DB6-BF57-93520E560DB4@ericsson.com> From: Joerg Ott Message-ID: <773a034a-e9bb-70e0-2191-3d8ea05a739f@in.tum.de> Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 22:31:58 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0EF5B2C0-2E33-4DB6-BF57-93520E560DB4@ericsson.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [clue] [Tsv-art] Tsvart telechat review of draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-15 X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2019 20:32:08 -0000 Hi Christer, thanks, also for the updated draft. See inline. On 10.04.19 20:07, Christer Holmberg wrote: > Hi Joerg, > > Thank You for the comments! Please see inline. > >> Reviewing this document for tsv-art, I don't see any any transport-specific >> issues in the document, but a bunch of other (smaller) issues and nits came up. >> >> I am not sure that that the reference to a "SIP User Agent" as an entity is >> strictly correct here. SIP User Agents are defined in RFC 3261 to carry out >> SIP transactions. Just speaking about "User Agents" may be more accurate. >> But this is just a side note. > > I think it is good to have "SIP" there for clarity. I don't think this is correct but it is marginal and I see your point. > ---- > >> Section 3.2.3 defines behaviour in a negative way, i.e., via MUST NOT >> statements, excluding all but one possibility. This could be problematic in >> the future if another option gets added to SCTP usage, which would then >> implicitly be allowed. It would be better if the behaviour was defined i >> a positive way, i.e., using MUST. > > In general I agree with you. But, in the case the base data channel spec mandates a set of SCTP extensions, and the text says that a couple of them must not be used for CLUE. I think that is the clearest way. > > (And, if additional SCTP extensions are added to rtcweb-data-channel in the future, that could cause problems no matter if we use MUST or MUST NOT, depending on whether such extensions can be used with CLUE or not.) Well, if you have 4 features A, B, C, D and you state that B and C MUST NOT be used, this leaves A and D. If somebody adds E to SCTP, then E is implicitly allowed. I think it is just easier to spell out what implementers are supposed to do. > ---- > >> Sect. 3.2.5, 2nd para: use "MUST" instead of "must" since this appears to >> be normative, so RFC 2119 wording should be used. > > The reason I use "must" is because the text is referencing requirements in another specification, i.e., the requirement is not defined or introduced by this draft. That is based on guidance I have received on earlier drafts. Ok. Maybe make this explicit in the text. "According to RFCxxxx, ..." > ---- > >> Sect. 3.2.7, 1st para: this appears t be normative language and thus >> should use the RFC 2119 keywords. > > As for your comment on 3.2.5, the text is simply referencing requirements defined elsewhere. See above. > ---- > >> Sect. 3.3.1.1, table 1 + 2nd para after table 1: the text in the 2nd para >> defines the value for the "application usage"; this should also be reflected >> in table 1 since it seems that only one application usage is defined. > > I don't know how I would get it into the table, as it is a generic description of an m- line for SCTP over DTLS. > > I could of course copy/paste the table, indicate that it shows the m- line for CLUE, and replace "application usage" with "webrtc-datachannel". But, I am not sure that would make things more clear. All I am saying is that all other table entries refer to explicit values while this one points indirectly to the text. There is nothing wrong technically, rather a matter of presentation. > ---- > >> Sect. 3.3.1.2.: this again appears to be normative, so RFC 2119 language >> should be used. >> What does the sentence "A CLUE entity can choose any valid SCTP port >> value." mean in this context? Is a "valid SCTP port" value that of a >> previously established SCTP connection within the context of the >> SIP session? If such a match is desired it should be specified or a >> reference to a peer document (draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp-26?) >> should be provided. > > draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp specifies how the port is used, and the port range, so suggest adding a reference to draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp. Sounds good. > --- > >> Sect. 3.3.2: NOTE statement: It is ok to have a note but this still is >> somewhat normative. It should also be specified what happens if >> the values _are_ set by the peer. What is the error handling? >> Ignore? Reject the connection setup? > > I guess we could allow two options: either discard the parameters, or reject the SDP and take proper actions to release the connection. > > I am also ok "de-noting" the text. Ok > ---- > >> Figure 1 is a nice example. But it would be even better if a complete >> example with the SDP for the data channel setup (in the previous >> or the same offer/answer exchange) be given. Makes life easier >> for readers and implementers. > > draft-ietf-clue-signaling contains more complete SDP examples, so I would suggest to add a reference there. Yepp, this works for me. > -------- > > Editorial: > >> Don't just copy the first paragraph(s) from the introduction to create an abstract. > > I will see if I can make the Abstract shorter. I want you to make it different. An abstract is _not_ the introduction even though the first bits may overlap. > ---- > >> 3.2.2, 2nd para, 3rd line: "what" -> "which" > > Will fix. > > ---- > >> Sect. 3.3.1: the ref to the clue-signalling draft is missing a link (all other refs have one). > > Not sure I understand. What do you mean by "missing a link"? It's missing a hyperlink. No idea why but all other citations seem to have hyperlinks. > ---- > >> Fix the formatting of table 2 to avoid letter breaking from words. > > Will do. As you said in a different email, this may be hard. Hyphenation is the only thing that comes to mind. Or abbreviation. The present way looks just broken. But essentially, this is close to done. 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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CD0390048F45B55C26CA224E" Content-Language: en-US X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 10.118.10.21, rtp-fandreas-2-8814.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-5.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [clue] [rtcweb] Scope of SDP m= line 'webrtc-datachannel' X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 19:08:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------CD0390048F45B55C26CA224E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Folks Please take a look at the proposed update below and let the authors and MMUSIC chairs know if you have any concerns with this change (by April 29). Thanks -- Flemming (as MMUSIC co-chair) On 4/21/19 7:12 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote: > > Hi, > > I am cross-posting this on multiple list, to make people aware of the > issue. However, I ask that any comments and discussions take place on > the MMUSIC list only. > > I found the following statement in section 4.5 of > draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp: > >    “NOTE: 'webrtc-datachannel' indicates the WebRTC Data Channel > >    Establishment Protocol defined in [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol].” > > In addition, in the IANA registration of ‘webrtc-datachannel’ (section > 15.3), draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol is referenced. > > To refresh everyone, draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol defines DCEP (the > inband protocol for handling WebRTC Data Channels), and > ‘webrtc-datachannel’ is used in the SDP m= line when establishing an > SCTP association for such channel. > > However, both draft-ietf-mmusic-datachannel-sdp-neg and > draft-ietf-clue-data-channel use ‘webrtc-datachannel’ in the “m=” > line, and those drafts do not use DCEP. > > My suggestion to fix this is to modify the text in > draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp, to always use ‘webrtc-datachannel’ for > WebRTC Data Channels – no matter whether DCEP is used or not. > > I have created a pull request: > > https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-sctp-sdp/pull/15 > > Regards, > > Christer > > > _______________________________________________ > rtcweb mailing list > rtcweb@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/rtcweb --------------CD0390048F45B55C26CA224E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Folks

Please take a look at the proposed update below and let the authors and MMUSIC chairs know if you have any concerns with this change (by April 29).

Thanks

-- Flemming (as MMUSIC co-chair)

On 4/21/19 7:12 PM, Christer Holmberg wrote:

Hi,

 

I am cross-posting this on multiple list, to make people aware of the issue. However, I ask that any comments and discussions take place on the MMUSIC list only.

 

I found the following statement in section 4.5 of draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp:

 

   “NOTE: 'webrtc-datachannel' indicates the WebRTC Data Channel

   Establishment Protocol defined in [I-D.ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol].”

 

In addition, in the IANA registration of ‘webrtc-datachannel’ (section 15.3), draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol is referenced.

 

To refresh everyone, draft-ietf-rtcweb-data-protocol defines DCEP (the inband protocol for handling WebRTC Data Channels), and ‘webrtc-datachannel’ is used in the SDP m= line when establishing an SCTP association for such channel.

 

However, both draft-ietf-mmusic-datachannel-sdp-neg and draft-ietf-clue-data-channel use ‘webrtc-datachannel’ in the “m=” line, and those drafts do not use DCEP.

 

My suggestion to fix this is to modify the text in draft-ietf-mmusic-sctp-sdp, to always use ‘webrtc-datachannel’ for WebRTC Data Channels – no matter whether DCEP is used or not.

 

I have created a pull request:

 

https://github.com/cdh4u/draft-sctp-sdp/pull/15

 

Regards,

 

Christer

 

 

 


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--------------CD0390048F45B55C26CA224E-- From nobody Mon Apr 22 15:19:29 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42C011200E6; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 15:19:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.68 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.68 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_INVALID=0.1, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=fail (1024-bit key) reason="fail (message has been altered)" header.d=nostrum.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BqJkObJF8qAi; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 15:19:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6E97312001E; Mon, 22 Apr 2019 15:19:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MacBook-Pro.roach.at (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id x3MMJBBQ043008 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:19:13 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=nostrum.com; s=default; t=1555971554; bh=Jn5ZTX8tz64RdCIu4HxWLTcZifzoWpZjOsSXBccr0pQ=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=cM1SoNGrHah4Xb1NGaqRy4UjWtj50MH30WcJAzy3H1FBXs2yJt4DXs9pdNTrAFiUP kNDssHfNJbfmje1lrcED/pFGnCnRW6PczwuUNGYuZd0eVWRwJAlwRg16un3FsfdBss DxM9rPUk2HmJxZNO6smCrcDtFZfSQ/cBIaj0VOns= X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be MacBook-Pro.roach.at From: Adam Roach To: "Roni Even (A)" , "draft-ietf-clue-protocol.all@ietf.org" , "draft-ietf-clue-signaling.all@ietf.org" Cc: "clue@ietf.org" References: <6E58094ECC8D8344914996DAD28F1CCD18CB3090@dggemm526-mbx.china.huawei.com> Message-ID: <9355686a-70c4-3fd6-5d55-fa838f5bb7b0@nostrum.com> Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:19:06 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [clue] IMPORTANT: Need authors action - finish the signaling and protocol documents X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Apr 2019 22:19:27 -0000 Authors -- where are we with revised versions of these documents? Do you have an ETA? /a On 3/1/19 1:34 PM, Adam Roach wrote: > Authors -- can you let me know when we might expect to see new > versions of the documents? While the DISCUSS points can be resolved by > a change to experimental, there are still a number of comments that we > need to address prior to handing off to the RFC editor. > > /a > > On 2/7/19 00:17, Roni Even (A) wrote: >> Hi, >> Based on the feedback from the WG it look OK to have the protocol >> document as experimental RFC. >> >> Can the authors of these two documents address the IESG comments so >> that we can finish the work. >> >> >> >> For the signaling please see >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-signaling/ballot/ >> >> For the protocol >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-protocol/ballot/ >> >> Thanks >> Roni Even >> CLUE WG co-chair >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2019 1:14 AM >> To: draft-ietf-clue-protocol.all@ietf.org; >> draft-ietf-clue-signaling.all@ietf.org >> Subject: CLUE: Need author action, input >> >> CLUE document authors (cc chairs, shepherds, and ADs) -- >> >> The IESG review of the core CLUE documents last November resulted in >> significant comments, including a number of blocking ("DISCUSS") >> comments. Publication of these documents cannot proceed until the >> blocking comments have been addressed (and it is my personal policy >> that I expect each non-blocking comment to at least receive a >> response from the authors acknowledging the comment and indicating >> whether any changes to the document will result). >> >> We did have a short discussion [1] on the CLUE mailing list regarding >> whether it would be feasible to publish the core CLUE documents as >> Experimental. I read Stephen and Christer's input as indicating that >> doing so would cause issues with external organizations. On the other >> hand, if we never publish the CLUE documents, then they remain >> equally unavailable to those organizations along with the rest of the >> world. >> >> So I have an important decision to make: do we move forward in trying >> to address the DISCUSS comments on the protocol document? Or do we >> move to Experimental and make CLUE unavailable to ITU-T and 3GPP? >> >> The key to answering this question is whether the authors have the >> time available to address the more complicated DISCUSS points raised >> on the protocol document. If so, we can push forward towards fixing >> the documents and getting them out the door. If not, we should go for >> experimental and let ITU-T and 3GPP deal with the fallout in whatever >> way makes most sense for them. (Regardless of which path we choose, >> the remaining IESG comments need action.) >> >> Authors: what level of commitment can you make to completing these >> documents? >> >> /a >> >> ____ >> [1] >> https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/clue/1o3-x4T_J9lZGp50Z4rOIpmsE60 >> > From nobody Wed Apr 24 01:24:44 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: clue@ietf.org Delivered-To: clue@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F357C1200A4; Wed, 24 Apr 2019 01:24:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: clue@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.95.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: clue@ietf.org Message-ID: <155609428284.32125.12265988938348744939@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 01:24:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [clue] I-D Action: draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-18.txt X-BeenThere: clue@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: CLUE - ControLling mUltiple streams for TElepresence List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Apr 2019 08:24:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the ControLling mUltiple streams for tElepresence WG of the IETF. Title : CLUE Protocol data channel Author : Christer Holmberg Filename : draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-18.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2019-04-24 Abstract: This document defines how to use the WebRTC data channel mechanism to realize a data channel, referred to as a CLUE data channel, for transporting CLUE protocol messages between two CLUE entities. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-18 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-18 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-clue-datachannel-18 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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