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All -=C2=A0
I believe our updated Card Sort is ready to go out.
Please let me know if you have any questions regarding the attached - I wou=
ld like to formally launch this tomorrow (Monday - March 2), so please have=
 any comments, suggestions or updates in to me ASAP.
https://conceptcodify.com/studies/AJDvCQAeNrm9nOO9rwNjsQDc/via/MlU1pQ4sRNef=
S1iIfsYi4l3a/

In terms of distribution, I believe we had discussed using our respective s=
ocial networks (e.g. - LinkedIn, Facebook, etc.) to capture survey results.
I'd like to close this survey on Tuesday, March 10 and report the results d=
uring the weekly meeting the following day. =C2=A0I hope that a week and a =
half will be enough time to allow the developers to make any necessary chan=
ges prior to Dallas.
Kind Regards,=C2=A0=C2=A0Kristin=C2=A0=20

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=C2=A0 1. Re: CodeMatch data model v3 (Kathleen Moriarty)
=C2=A0 2. Re: Codematch-develop Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 (Kristin Burgh)
Hi Lisandro,
I reached out to Pete Resnick, one of the Apps directors to see what he tho=
ught.
He does agree that something is missing.
I think we can handle this in a few ways.=C2=A0 We need to be able to diffe=
rentiate when code is requested from when a link is being made as the infor=
mation on each will be different. =C2=A0
The data model would need a few elements to be optional, like mentor, resou=
rces (estimated level of effort for coding).=C2=A0 You usually see this whe=
n there is accompanying UML.
Pete suggested a different name for CodeRequest, maybe MatchRequest with an=
 element for CodeRequest?=C2=A0 If we keep it at CodeRequest, I think minim=
ally an attribute to designate if code is actually requested would be neces=
sary - or we change this to MatchRequest with an attribute called CodeReque=
st as a boolean (yes/no - for our team members that are not data model savv=
y).
Just some thoughts so the data model would be clear...
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen <kathleen.moriarty@emc.=
com> wrote:

Hi Lisandro,

Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:41 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <granville@i=
nf.ufrgs.br> wrote:




If thinks are still not clear, I can try to provide examples.

I think an explanation along with the data model will be necessary if no li=
ne is included to show the code request isn't needed to link a project to a=
 specification.=C2=A0 That and examples will help developers as we proceed.

Hello Kathleen
Just to clarify: a CodeRequest is still needed to link projects to a specif=
ication. The data model is not missing a link between projects and specific=
ations; projects are are linked to specifications only through a CodeReques=
t. What we have discussed so far is that the mentor field in the CodeReques=
t is only meaningful for active projects, since already finished projects d=
on=E2=80=99t need a mentor anymore.

Let's chat about this tomorrow as I still don't see why a direct connection=
 between a project and specification can't be made.=C2=A0 Maybe it's to hav=
e a grouping, but I'd like to talk through this a bit.=C2=A0 If you have an=
 example for tomorrow, that may help.
Thank you,Kathleen

Best regards,
Lisandro





Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <granville@i=
nf.ufrgs.br> wrote:


Hello Kathleen
I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, CodeMat=
ch is a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is not p=
ossible to have another relationship between Project and Specification name=
d CodeMatch too. But let me ask you if you agree with the suggestion of =E2=
=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this issue by saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is the pe=
rson responsible for helping in the development of active projects=E2=80=9D=
, implying that mentors have no role in already finished projects? In that =
way, we don=E2=80=99t need to change the data model. Not that we could not =
change it, but I believe keeping it simple is important.
Best regards,
Lisandro

Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen <kathleen.moriarty@emc.c=
om> escreveu:
Hi,

Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, "Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org> w=
rote:


Hi Kathleen,=C2=A0

To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If someon=
e is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is required. =
To help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentors see=
m to be mandatory.

I agree with Lisandro's reasoning. If there's a code-match, it's because so=
meone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he will get the appr=
opriate "coding" help if the student has some support to do that work.

Good point.

We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no request, =
thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just "code opportunity=
" and there's no commitment from anyone for those code-matches.

In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch either b=
e a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply th=
e connection between a project and specification.=C2=A0 This let's us keep =
the terms and model simple which may be easier for users as they will have =
less to understand in terms of our terminology.=C2=A0 Also keeping the data=
 model simpler should help reduce coding efforts.
=C2=A0



However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished, mentors m=
ake not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: there is a Code=
Request for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds previously=
 finished projects but still requires further code. In that case, the previ=
ous projects don=E2=80=99t need a mentor, of course, but the new projects d=
o. But because mentors are associated with CodeRequest (and not with projec=
t), once we define a mentor to help in the new projects that mentor will be=
 also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old projects will alway=
s have a mentor once new projects are required.

If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more with =
draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.



The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with CodeRe=
quest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects (at tha=
t point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the last chang=
e in the model). Here, we have some options:


Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but let =
me know if I missed anything.



1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that exist=
 only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live with the =
idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a real men=
tor will be assigned, and the finished project will inherit that new real m=
entor.
2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects, indicating t=
hat mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an administrative bur=
den here.

A third option could be to have active "code-requests" with mentors and "co=
de-opportunities" (or a better name) for finished projects, other =C2=A0RFC=
s, etc. with no mentor.=C2=A0
Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a CodeRequest=
.
Thanks!Kathleen=C2=A0


Christian


Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be solve=
d if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development of new p=
rojects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now associati=
on with current mentors. Too simplistic?
Best regards,
Lisandro

Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@g=
mail.com> escreveu:
Lisandro,
Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the team!=
=C2=A0 This looks great from what we discussed.=C2=A0 From additional feedb=
ack received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always have=
 a shepherd.=C2=A0 If we want this to also advertise existing implementatio=
ns (open source or proprietary) of existing RFCs, there should be flexibili=
ty to demonstrate links between a CodeRequest (in this case an RFC) and a p=
roject without having a mentor.=C2=A0 You would still have a coder or the p=
roject owner that creates the link and it would be possible for others to c=
onnect their project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.
In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeRequest so =
there are multiple ways to make the connections?
We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so they m=
ight only see ones that have a mentor and I'm sure they would want to be ab=
le to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (1 FTE for=
 x weeks or months, etc.).
Any other comments?
Thank you,Kathleen
On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville<granville@i=
nf.ufrgs.br> wrote:

Dear all
After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch has bee=
n defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We trie=
d to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the suggestio=
ns mentioned during the last meetings. Terms in this version are also align=
ed with the list of terms previously shared by Kathleen in the mailing list=
. Any feedback is welcomed.
Best regards,
Lisandro
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Best regards,Kathleen
Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Everyone -=C2=A0
I just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be sending out an updated vers=
ion of the card-sort survey over this coming weekend. =C2=A0The aim is to b=
e able to have as much feedback from a variety of different users as we can=
 get to help create the best possible prototypes in time for Dallas.
If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me either via this e=
mail thread or directly via "kmburgh@yahoo.com".
Also - my apologies to you all - but I'll be about 30 minutes late to today=
's call/webex due to a scheduling conflict.
Kind Regards,=C2=A0
Kristin=C2=A0

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=C2=A0 1. Re: CodeMatch data model v3 (Kathleen Moriarty)
Dear Wanderson,
Yes, I am sure we will be able to help you and other volunteer developers f=
igure out how to get started and to work as a team without having to attend=
 Dallas.
Thank you.
On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Wanderson Paim de Jesus <wanderson.jesus@r=
np.br> wrote:

Dear Kathleen,
I'm afraid saying, but I had not planned attending the IETF in Dallas and I=
'm not aware about Code Sprint.
If it is possible, after the Code Sprint such other collaborators could sen=
d me the tools and manuals about the Codetracker.
Best regards,
De: "Kathleen Moriarty" <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Para: "Wanderson Paim de Jesus" <wanderson.jesus@rnp.br>
Cc: "Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org>, "Kathleen Moriarty" <kathl=
een.moriarty@emc.com>, codematch-develop@ietf.org, "Lisandro Zambenedetti G=
ranville" <granville@inf.ufrgs.br>
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 23 de fevereiro de 2015 11:46:59
Assunto: Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data model v3

Wanderson,
We are glad to have your assistance!
Dave Waltermire has also volunteered to help code and we may have 1-2 other=
 volunteers soon.=C2=A0 If anyone is attending the IETF in Dallas and will =
be able to help us code, it may be a good idea to go to the Code Sprint Sat=
urday before the meeting as you'll get the tools to install and learn more =
about the datatracker.=C2=A0 Please let me know if you need more informatio=
n on the Code Sprint.
Thank you,Kathleen
On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Wanderson Paim de Jesus <wanderson.jesus@r=
np.br> wrote:

Hi Kathleen,
I find Codematch a good idea and hope being able to contribute with its suc=
cess.
Christian seems to be interest in coding too. Given that I'm not familiar w=
ith datatracker, his support would be honestly welcome.
Best regards,
Wanderson
De: "Kathleen Moriarty" <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
Para: "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <granville@inf.ufrgs.br>
Cc: "Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org>, "Kathleen Moriarty" <kathl=
een.moriarty@emc.com>, codematch-develop@ietf.org, "Wanderson Paim de Jesus=
" <wanderson.jesus@rnp.br>
Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2015 13:23:51
Assunto: Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data model v3



On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville <granville=
@inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:

Dear all
Wanderson Paim (cc=E2=80=99ed in this message), who develop the prototype a=
vailable at http://codematch.inf.ufrgs.br=C2=A0is also a volunteer to code =
the CodeMatch backend.

Excellent, it's great to have you on the team Wanderson!=C2=A0 Thank you fo=
r volunteering!
Best regards,Kathleen=C2=A0

Best regards,
Lisandro

Em 17/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 15:19, Christian O'Flaherty <oflaherty@isoc.org> e=
screveu:



I have a couple more volunteers for coding as well lined up.=C2=A0 There ma=
y be more decisions to be made for that and prep for developers to get fami=
liar with the datatracker and how it will be accessed.

Although I never used datatracker as a coder I would like to be among the i=
nitial volunteers for coding.=C2=A0
Christian=C2=A0


Thank you,Kathleen=C2=A0


Christian


Thank you,Kathleen=C2=A0

Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <granville@i=
nf.ufrgs.br> wrote:


Hello Kathleen
I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, CodeMat=
ch is a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is not p=
ossible to have another relationship between Project and Specification name=
d CodeMatch too. But let me ask you if you agree with the suggestion of =E2=
=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this issue by saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is the pe=
rson responsible for helping in the development of active projects=E2=80=9D=
, implying that mentors have no role in already finished projects? In that =
way, we don=E2=80=99t need to change the data model. Not that we could not =
change it, but I believe keeping it simple is important.
Best regards,
Lisandro

Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen <kathleen.moriarty@emc.c=
om> escreveu:
Hi,

Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, "Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org> w=
rote:


Hi Kathleen,=C2=A0

To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If someon=
e is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is required. =
To help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentors see=
m to be mandatory.

I agree with Lisandro's reasoning. If there's a code-match, it's because so=
meone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he will get the appr=
opriate "coding" help if the student has some support to do that work.

Good point.

We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no request, =
thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just "code opportunity=
" and there's no commitment from anyone for those code-matches.

In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch either b=
e a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply th=
e connection between a project and specification.=C2=A0 This let's us keep =
the terms and model simple which may be easier for users as they will have =
less to understand in terms of our terminology.=C2=A0 Also keeping the data=
 model simpler should help reduce coding efforts.
=C2=A0



However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished, mentors m=
ake not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: there is a Code=
Request for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds previously=
 finished projects but still requires further code. In that case, the previ=
ous projects don=E2=80=99t need a mentor, of course, but the new projects d=
o. But because mentors are associated with CodeRequest (and not with projec=
t), once we define a mentor to help in the new projects that mentor will be=
 also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old projects will alway=
s have a mentor once new projects are required.

If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more with =
draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.



The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with CodeRe=
quest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects (at tha=
t point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the last chang=
e in the model). Here, we have some options:


Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but let =
me know if I missed anything.



1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that exist=
 only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live with the =
idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a real men=
tor will be assigned, and the finished project will inherit that new real m=
entor.
2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects, indicating t=
hat mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an administrative bur=
den here.

A third option could be to have active "code-requests" with mentors and "co=
de-opportunities" (or a better name) for finished projects, other =C2=A0RFC=
s, etc. with no mentor.=C2=A0
Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a CodeRequest=
.
Thanks!Kathleen=C2=A0


Christian


Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be solve=
d if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development of new p=
rojects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now associati=
on with current mentors. Too simplistic?
Best regards,
Lisandro

Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@g=
mail.com> escreveu:
Lisandro,
Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the team!=
=C2=A0 This looks great from what we discussed.=C2=A0 From additional feedb=
ack received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always have=
 a shepherd.=C2=A0 If we want this to also advertise existing implementatio=
ns (open source or proprietary) of existing RFCs, there should be flexibili=
ty to demonstrate links between a CodeRequest (in this case an RFC) and a p=
roject without having a mentor.=C2=A0 You would still have a coder or the p=
roject owner that creates the link and it would be possible for others to c=
onnect their project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.
In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeRequest so =
there are multiple ways to make the connections?
We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so they m=
ight only see ones that have a mentor and I'm sure they would want to be ab=
le to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (1 FTE for=
 x weeks or months, etc.).
Any other comments?
Thank you,Kathleen
On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville<granville@i=
nf.ufrgs.br> wrote:

Dear all
After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch has bee=
n defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We trie=
d to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the suggestio=
ns mentioned during the last meetings. Terms in this version are also align=
ed with the list of terms previously shared by Kathleen in the mailing list=
. Any feedback is welcomed.
Best regards,
Lisandro
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&nbsp;  2. Re: Codematch-develop Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 (Kristin Burgh)<br=
><div id=3D"yiv5210742700"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Lisandro,<div><br></div><div=
>I reached out to Pete Resnick, one of the Apps directors to see what he th=
ought.</div><div><br></div><div>He does agree that something is missing.</d=
iv><div><br></div><div>I think we can handle this in a few ways.&nbsp; We n=
eed to be able to differentiate when code is requested from when a link is =
being made as the information on each will be different. &nbsp;</div><div><=
br></div><div>The data model would need a few elements to be optional, like=
 mentor, resources (estimated level of effort for coding).&nbsp; You usuall=
y see this when there is accompanying UML.</div><div><br></div><div>Pete su=
ggested a different name for CodeRequest, maybe MatchRequest with an elemen=
t for CodeRequest?&nbsp; If we keep it at CodeRequest, I think minimally an=
 attribute to designate if code is actually requested would be necessary - =
or we change this to MatchRequest with an attribute called CodeRequest as a=
 boolean (yes/no - for our team members that are not data model savvy).</di=
v><div><br></div><div>Just some thoughts so the data model would be clear..=
.</div></div><div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"yiv5=
210742700gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen <=
span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriart=
y@emc.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com">kath=
leen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv5210=
742700gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex;">



<div>
<div>Hi Lisandro,<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div><span class=3D"yiv5210742700">
<div><br>
On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:41 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>If thinks are still not clear, I can try to provide examples.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
I think an explanation along with the data model will be necessary if no li=
ne is included to show the code request isn't needed to link a project to a=
 specification.&nbsp; That and examples will help developers as we proceed.=
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello Kathleen</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just to clarify: a CodeRequest is still needed to link projects to a s=
pecification. The data model is not missing a link between projects and spe=
cifications; projects are are linked to specifications only through a CodeR=
equest. What we have discussed so
 far is that the mentor field in the CodeRequest is only meaningful for act=
ive projects, since already finished projects don=E2=80=99t need a mentor a=
nymore.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote></span>
Let's chat about this tomorrow as I still don't see why a direct connection=
 between a project and specification can't be made.&nbsp; Maybe it's to hav=
e a grouping, but I'd like to talk through this a bit.&nbsp; If you have an=
 example for tomorrow, that may help.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div><div><div class=3D"yiv5210742700h5">
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div>
<div>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>
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</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Hello Kathleen
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, Co=
deMatch is a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is =
not possible to have another relationship between Project and Specification=
 named CodeMatch too. But let me
 ask you if you agree with the suggestion of =E2=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this =
issue by saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is the person responsible for helpin=
g in the development of active projects=E2=80=9D, implying that mentors hav=
e no role in already finished projects? In that way, we don=E2=80=99t need
 to change the data model. Not that we could not change it, but I believe k=
eeping it simple is important.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen &lt;<a rel=3D"nofol=
low" ymailto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt; escrev=
eu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, "Christian O'Flaherty" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:of=
laherty@isoc.org">oflaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Hi Kathleen,&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div>To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If s=
omeone is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is requi=
red. To help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentor=
s seem to be mandatory.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree with Lisandro's reasoning. If there's a code-match, it's becau=
se someone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he will get the=
 appropriate "coding" help if the student has some support to do that work.=
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good point.</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no requ=
est, thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just "code opport=
unity" and there's no commitment from anyone for those code-matches.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch either b=
e a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply th=
e connection between a project and specification.&nbsp; This let's us keep =
the terms and model simple which may
 be easier for users as they will have less to understand in terms of our t=
erminology.&nbsp; Also keeping the data model simpler should help reduce co=
ding efforts.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div>However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished, ment=
ors make not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: there is a=
 CodeRequest for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds previ=
ously finished projects
 but still requires further code. In that case, the previous projects don=
=E2=80=99t need a mentor, of course, but the new projects do. But because m=
entors are associated with CodeRequest (and not with project), once we defi=
ne a mentor to help in the new projects that
 mentor will be also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old proj=
ects will always have a mentor once new projects are required.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more with =
draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with C=
odeRequest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects (a=
t that point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the last =
change in the model). Here,
 we have some options:</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but let =
me know if I missed anything.<br>
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that =
exist only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live with=
 the idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a rea=
l mentor will be assigned,
 and the finished project will inherit that new real mentor.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects, indicat=
ing that mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an administrativ=
e burden here.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A third option could be to have active "code-requests" with mentors an=
d "code-opportunities" (or a better name) for finished projects, other &nbs=
p;RFCs, etc. with no mentor.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a CodeRequest=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>Kathleen&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Christian</div>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div><br>
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<div>Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be =
solved if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development of =
new projects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now asso=
ciation with current mentors. Too simplistic?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; escreveu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Lisandro,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the =
team!&nbsp; This looks great from what we discussed.&nbsp; From additional =
feedback received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always=
 have a shepherd.&nbsp; If we want this
 to also advertise existing implementations (open source or proprietary) of=
 existing RFCs, there should be flexibility to demonstrate links between a =
CodeRequest (in this case an RFC) and a project without having a mentor.&nb=
sp; You would still have a coder or the
 project owner that creates the link and it would be possible for others to=
 connect their project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeReques=
t so there are multiple ways to make the connections?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so t=
hey might only see ones that have a mentor and I'm sure they would want to =
be able to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (1 FT=
E for x weeks or months,
 etc.).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any other comments?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lis=
andro Zambenedetti Granville
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granville@inf.u=
frgs.br" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville=
@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">Dear all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch ha=
s been defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We=
 tried to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the sugg=
estions mentioned during
 the last meetings. Terms in this version are also aligned with the list of=
 terms previously shared by Kathleen in the mailing list. Any feedback is w=
elcomed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
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=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</=
div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div></div><div id=3D"yiv5210742700"><div><div style=3D"color:#000;backgro=
und-color:#fff;font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial,=
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_3_16_0_1_1424879984756_3522" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yiv5210742700yui_3_16=
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56_3522" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yiv5210742700yui_3_16_0_1_1424879984756_37=
70">I just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be sending out an updated =
version of the card-sort survey over this coming weekend. &nbsp;The aim is =
to be able to have as much feedback from a variety of different users as we=
 can get to help create the best possible prototypes in time for Dallas.</s=
pan></div><div id=3D"yiv5210742700yui_3_16_0_1_1424879984756_3522" dir=3D"l=
tr"><span><br></span></div><div id=3D"yiv5210742700yui_3_16_0_1_14248799847=
56_3522" dir=3D"ltr"><span id=3D"yiv5210742700yui_3_16_0_1_1424879984756_37=
71">If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me either via th=
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></div><div id=3D"yiv5210742700yui_3_16_0_1_1424879984756_3522" dir=3D"ltr"=
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y's call/webex due to a scheduling conflict.</div><div id=3D"yiv5210742700y=
ui_3_16_0_1_1424879984756_3522" dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div id=3D"yiv5210742=
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h-develop digest..."<br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br>&nbsp;  1. Re: CodeMatch=
 data model v3 (Kathleen Moriarty)<br><div id=3D"yiv5210742700"><div dir=3D=
"ltr">Dear Wanderson,<div><br></div><div>Yes, I am sure we will be able to =
help you and other volunteer developers figure out how to get started and t=
o work as a team without having to attend Dallas.</div><div><br></div><div>=
Thank you.</div></div><div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_extra"><br><div clas=
s=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Wanderson P=
aim de Jesus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:wa=
nderson.jesus@rnp.br" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rnp.=
br">wanderson.jesus@rnp.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yi=
v5210742700gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc sol=
id;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:times new roman, new y=
ork, times, serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;"><font face=3D"times new ro=
man, new york, times, serif"><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;">Dear Kathleen,=
</span></font><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;"><br></div><di=
v><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif">I'm afraid saying,=
 but I had not planned attending the IETF in Dallas and I'm not aware about=
 Code Sprint.</font></div><div><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, tim=
es, serif"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, t=
imes, serif">If it is possible, after the Code Sprint such other collaborat=
ors could send me the tools and manuals about the Codetracker.</font></div>=
<div><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></di=
v><div></div><div><span style=3D"">Best regards,</span></div><div style=3D"=
color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;"><br><hr><div style=3D"color:#000;font-wei=
ght:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none;font-family:Helvetica, Ar=
ial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;"><b>De: </b>"Kathleen Moriarty" &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D=
"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com">kathleen.moriarty=
.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Para: </b>"Wanderson Paim de Jesus" &lt;<a re=
l=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rnp.br" target=3D"_blank" =
href=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rnp.br">wanderson.jesus@rnp.br</a>&gt;<br><b=
>Cc: </b>"Christian O'Flaherty" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:o=
flaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org">ofl=
aherty@isoc.org</a>&gt;, "Kathleen Moriarty" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailt=
o=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:kat=
hleen.moriarty@emc.com">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;, <a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" ymailto=3D"mailto:codematch-develop@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:codematch-develop@ietf.org">codematch-develop@ietf.org</a>, "Lisand=
ro Zambenedetti Granville" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granvi=
lle@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">=
granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;<br><b>Enviadas: </b>Segunda-feira, 23 de fev=
ereiro de 2015 11:46:59<div><div class=3D"yiv5210742700h5"><br><b>Assunto: =
</b>Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data model v3<br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
>Wanderson,<div><br></div><div>We are glad to have your assistance!</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Dave Waltermire has also volunteered to help code and we =
may have 1-2 other volunteers soon.&nbsp; If anyone is attending the IETF i=
n Dallas and will be able to help us code, it may be a good idea to go to t=
he Code Sprint Saturday before the meeting as you'll get the tools to insta=
ll and learn more about the datatracker.&nbsp; Please let me know if you ne=
ed more information on the Code Sprint.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you,=
</div><div>Kathleen</div></div><div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_extra"><br>=
<div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote">On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Wa=
nderson Paim de Jesus <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"=
mailto:wanderson.jesus@rnp.br" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:wanderson.j=
esus@rnp.br">wanderson.jesus@rnp.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote cl=
ass=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div><div style=3D"font-family:times new rom=
an, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;"><div><span style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">Hi Kathleen,<=
/span></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></d=
iv><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I find Codematch a good=
 idea and hope being able to contribute with its success.</font></div><div>=
<font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font fac=
e=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Christian seems to be interest in coding=
 too. Given that I'm not familiar with datatracker, his support would be ho=
nestly welcome.</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif=
"><br></font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Best re=
gards,</font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></f=
ont></div><div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Wanderson</font>=
</div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255);"><br></span></font></div><hr style=3D"col=
or:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;"><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:H=
elvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:12pt;font-weight:normal;font-style:no=
rmal;text-decoration:none;"><b>De: </b>"Kathleen Moriarty" &lt;<a rel=3D"no=
follow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@=
gmail.com</a>&gt;<br><b>Para: </b>"Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank=
" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;<br>=
<b>Cc: </b>"Christian O'Flaherty" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto=
:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org">o=
flaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt;, "Kathleen Moriarty" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymai=
lto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:k=
athleen.moriarty@emc.com">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;, <a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" ymailto=3D"mailto:codematch-develop@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank" href=
=3D"mailto:codematch-develop@ietf.org">codematch-develop@ietf.org</a>, "Wan=
derson Paim de Jesus" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:wanderson.j=
esus@rnp.br" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rnp.br">wande=
rson.jesus@rnp.br</a>&gt;<br><b>Enviadas: </b>Sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro =
de 2015 13:23:51<br><b>Assunto: </b>Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data =
model v3<div><div><br><br><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"yiv5210742700g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote">On Fri, Feb 20, 201=
5 at 6:23 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;</span>=
 wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style=3D"word-=
wrap:break-word;">Dear all<div><br></div><div>Wanderson Paim (cc=E2=80=99ed=
 in this message), who develop the prototype available at <a rel=3D"nofollo=
w" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"http://codematch.inf.ufrgs.br/">http://codemat=
ch.inf.ufrgs.br</a>&nbsp;is also a volunteer to code the CodeMatch backend.=
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Excellent, it's great to have =
you on the team Wanderson!&nbsp; Thank you for volunteering!</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kathleen&nbsp;</div><blockquote class=3D=
"yiv5210742700gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;"><div><br></di=
v><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Lisandro</div><div><br><div><=
blockquote><div>Em 17/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 15:19, Christian O'Flaherty &lt;<a=
 rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org">oflaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt; escreveu:</div=
><div><div><br><div>



<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have a couple more volunteers for coding as well lined up.&nbsp; The=
re may be more decisions to be made for that and prep for developers to get=
 familiar with the datatracker and how it will be accessed.</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Although I never used datatracker as a coder I would like to be among the i=
nitial volunteers for coding.&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Christian&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen&nbsp;<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Christian</span></div>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen&nbsp;<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" &lt;<a rel=
=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>Hello Kathleen
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, Co=
deMatch is a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is =
not possible to have another relationship between Project and Specification=
 named CodeMatch too. But let me
 ask you if you agree with the suggestion of =E2=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this =
issue by saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is the person responsible for helpin=
g in the development of active projects=E2=80=9D, implying that mentors hav=
e no role in already finished projects? In that way, we don=E2=80=99t need
 to change the data model. Not that we could not change it, but I believe k=
eeping it simple is important.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen &lt;<a rel=3D"nofol=
low" ymailto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank" href=3D=
"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt; escrev=
eu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, "Christian O'Flaherty" &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow=
" ymailto=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:of=
laherty@isoc.org">oflaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>Hi Kathleen,&nbsp;
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div>To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If s=
omeone is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is requi=
red. To help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentor=
s seem to be mandatory.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree with Lisandro's reasoning. If there's a code-match, it's becau=
se someone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he will get the=
 appropriate "coding" help if the student has some support to do that work.=
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good point.</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no requ=
est, thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just "code opport=
unity" and there's no commitment from anyone for those code-matches.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch either b=
e a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply th=
e connection between a project and specification.&nbsp; This let's us keep =
the terms and model simple which may
 be easier for users as they will have less to understand in terms of our t=
erminology.&nbsp; Also keeping the data model simpler should help reduce co=
ding efforts.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>&nbsp;<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div>However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished, ment=
ors make not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: there is a=
 CodeRequest for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds previ=
ously finished projects
 but still requires further code. In that case, the previous projects don=
=E2=80=99t need a mentor, of course, but the new projects do. But because m=
entors are associated with CodeRequest (and not with project), once we defi=
ne a mentor to help in the new projects that
 mentor will be also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old proj=
ects will always have a mentor once new projects are required.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more with =
draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with C=
odeRequest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects (a=
t that point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the last =
change in the model). Here,
 we have some options:</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but let =
me know if I missed anything.<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that =
exist only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live with=
 the idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a rea=
l mentor will be assigned,
 and the finished project will inherit that new real mentor.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects, indicat=
ing that mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an administrativ=
e burden here.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A third option could be to have active "code-requests" with mentors an=
d "code-opportunities" (or a better name) for finished projects, other &nbs=
p;RFCs, etc. with no mentor.&nbsp;</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a CodeRequest=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>Kathleen&nbsp;</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Christian</div>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be =
solved if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development of =
new projects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now asso=
ciation with current mentors. Too simplistic?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" ymailto=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank" h=
ref=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmai=
l.com</a>&gt; escreveu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Lisandro,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the =
team!&nbsp; This looks great from what we discussed.&nbsp; From additional =
feedback received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always=
 have a shepherd.&nbsp; If we want this
 to also advertise existing implementations (open source or proprietary) of=
 existing RFCs, there should be flexibility to demonstrate links between a =
CodeRequest (in this case an RFC) and a project without having a mentor.&nb=
sp; You would still have a coder or the
 project owner that creates the link and it would be possible for others to=
 connect their project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeReques=
t so there are multiple ways to make the connections?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so t=
hey might only see ones that have a mentor and I'm sure they would want to =
be able to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (1 FT=
E for x weeks or months,
 etc.).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any other comments?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
<div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote">On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lis=
andro Zambenedetti Granville
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" ymailto=3D"mailto:granville@inf.u=
frgs.br" target=3D"_blank" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville=
@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"yiv5210742700gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;">Dear all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch ha=
s been defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We=
 tried to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the sugg=
estions mentioned during
 the last meetings. Terms in this version are also aligned with the list of=
 terms previously shared by Kathleen in the mailing list. Any feedback is w=
elcomed.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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</div>
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<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
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Hi Kristin,

Thanks for your work on the card sort!

I moved around the boxes and wasn't sure what I should put in for all
visitors vs. overview information.  I view them similarly, so it was hard
for me to tell what was meant by each heading.

Also, I didn't have much in the coder bucket as there was no box that said
"My Code Matches".  The mentor owns the code requests, so that wasn't
appropriate for that category.  I also think the mailing list option will
be tough, but maybe we will learn something from that. The tricky part will
be that responses may depend on a persons knowledge of the IETF Trust and
IPR policies as opposed to functionality.  I would have put that one in a
few categories, but for IPR reasons, selected the one that I did.

Thanks,
Kathleen

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> *Subject:* *Re: [Codematch-develop] Codematch-develop Digest, Vol 8,
> Issue 23*
> *Reply-To:* Kristin Burgh <kmburgh@yahoo.com>
>
>     All -
>
>  I believe our updated Card Sort is ready to go out.
>
>  Please let me know if you have any questions regarding the attached - I
> would like to formally launch this tomorrow (Monday - March 2), so please
> have any comments, suggestions or updates in to me ASAP.
>
>
> https://conceptcodify.com/studies/AJDvCQAeNrm9nOO9rwNjsQDc/via/MlU1pQ4sRN=
efS1iIfsYi4l3a/
>
>  In terms of distribution, I believe we had discussed using our
> respective social networks (e.g. - LinkedIn, Facebook, etc.) to capture
> survey results.
>
>  I'd like to close this survey on Tuesday, March 10 and report the
> results during the weekly meeting the following day.  I hope that a week
> and a half will be enough time to allow the developers to make any
> necessary changes prior to Dallas.
>
>  Kind Regards,
>
>  *Kristin  *
>
>   ------------------------------
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>   1. Re: CodeMatch data model v3 (Kathleen Moriarty)
>   2. Re: Codematch-develop Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 (Kristin Burgh)
>  Hi Lisandro,
>
>  I reached out to Pete Resnick, one of the Apps directors to see what he
> thought.
>
>  He does agree that something is missing.
>
>  I think we can handle this in a few ways.  We need to be able to
> differentiate when code is requested from when a link is being made as th=
e
> information on each will be different.
>
>  The data model would need a few elements to be optional, like mentor,
> resources (estimated level of effort for coding).  You usually see this
> when there is accompanying UML.
>
>  Pete suggested a different name for CodeRequest, maybe MatchRequest with
> an element for CodeRequest?  If we keep it at CodeRequest, I think
> minimally an attribute to designate if code is actually requested would b=
e
> necessary - or we change this to MatchRequest with an attribute called
> CodeRequest as a boolean (yes/no - for our team members that are not data
> model savvy).
>
>  Just some thoughts so the data model would be clear...
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen <
> kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote:
>
>  Hi Lisandro,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:41 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <
> granville@inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
>
>       If thinks are still not clear, I can try to provide examples.
>
>    I think an explanation along with the data model will be necessary if
> no line is included to show the code request isn't needed to link a proje=
ct
> to a specification.  That and examples will help developers as we proceed=
.
>
>
>  Hello Kathleen
>
>  Just to clarify: a CodeRequest is still needed to link projects to a
> specification. The data model is not missing a link between projects and
> specifications; projects are are linked to specifications only through a
> CodeRequest. What we have discussed so far is that the mentor field in th=
e
> CodeRequest is only meaningful for active projects, since already finishe=
d
> projects don=E2=80=99t need a mentor anymore.
>
>   Let's chat about this tomorrow as I still don't see why a direct
> connection between a project and specification can't be made.  Maybe it's
> to have a grouping, but I'd like to talk through this a bit.  If you have
> an example for tomorrow, that may help.
>
>  Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
>   Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>            Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <
> granville@inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
>
>  Hello Kathleen
>
>  I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, Code=
Match is
> a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is not
> possible to have another relationship between Project and Specification
> named CodeMatch too. But let me ask you if you agree with the suggestion =
of
> =E2=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this issue by saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is t=
he person responsible for
> helping in the development of active projects=E2=80=9D, implying that men=
tors have
> no role in already finished projects? In that way, we don=E2=80=99t need =
to change
> the data model. Not that we could not change it, but I believe keeping it
> simple is important.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>   Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen <kathleen.moriarty@e=
mc.com>
> escreveu:
>
>  Hi,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, "Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Kathleen,
>
>    To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If
> someone is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is re=
quired. To
> help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentors seem
> to be mandatory.
>
>
>  I agree with Lisandro's reasoning. If there's a code-match, it's because
> someone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he will get the
> appropriate "coding" help if the student has some support to do that work=
.
>
>
>  Good point.
>
>
>  We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no
> request, thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just "code
> opportunity" and there's no commitment from anyone for those code-matches=
.
>
>
>  In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch eithe=
r
> be a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply
> the connection between a project and specification.  This let's us keep t=
he
> terms and model simple which may be easier for users as they will have le=
ss
> to understand in terms of our terminology.  Also keeping the data model
> simpler should help reduce coding efforts.
>
>
>
>
>   However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished,
> mentors make not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: ther=
e
> is a CodeRequest for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds
> previously finished projects but still requires further code. In that cas=
e,
> the previous projects don=E2=80=99t need a mentor, of course, but the new=
 projects
> do. But because mentors are associated with CodeRequest (and not with
> project), once we define a mentor to help in the new projects that mentor
> will be also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old projects
> will always have a mentor once new projects are required.
>
>   If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more
> with draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.
>
>
>  The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with
> CodeRequest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects
> (at that point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the
> last change in the model). Here, we have some options:
>
>
>  Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but
> let me know if I missed anything.
>
>
>  1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that
> exist only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live wi=
th
> the idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a re=
al
> mentor will be assigned, and the finished project will inherit that new
> real mentor.
>
>  2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects,
> indicating that mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an
> administrative burden here.
>
>
>  A third option could be to have active "code-requests" with mentors and
> "code-opportunities" (or a better name) for finished projects, other  RFC=
s,
> etc. with no mentor.
>
> Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a
> CodeRequest.
>
>  Thanks!
> Kathleen
>
>
>  Christian
>
>
>  Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be
> solved if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development o=
f new
> projects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now associ=
ation with
> current mentors. Too simplistic?
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>  Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty <
> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>  Lisandro,
>
>  Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the
> team!  This looks great from what we discussed.  From additional feedback
> received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always have a
> shepherd.  If we want this to also advertise existing implementations (op=
en
> source or proprietary) of existing RFCs, there should be flexibility to
> demonstrate links between a CodeRequest (in this case an RFC) and a proje=
ct
> without having a mentor.  You would still have a coder or the project own=
er
> that creates the link and it would be possible for others to connect thei=
r
> project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.
>
>  In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeRequest
> so there are multiple ways to make the connections?
>
>  We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so
> they might only see ones that have a mentor and I'm sure they would want =
to
> be able to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (1
> FTE for x weeks or months, etc.).
>
>  Any other comments?
>
>  Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville <
> granville@inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
>  After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch has
> been defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We
> tried to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the
> suggestions mentioned during the last meetings. Terms in this version are
> also aligned with the list of terms previously shared by Kathleen in the
> mailing list. Any feedback is welcomed.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>  <codematchv3-3.png>
>
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>
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>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
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>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
>  Good Morning/Afternoon/Evening Everyone -
>
>  I just wanted to let everyone know that I'll be sending out an updated
> version of the card-sort survey over this coming weekend.  The aim is to =
be
> able to have as much feedback from a variety of different users as we can
> get to help create the best possible prototypes in time for Dallas.
>
>  If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me either via
> this email thread or directly via "kmburgh@yahoo.com".
>
>  Also - my apologies to you all - but I'll be about 30 minutes late to
> today's call/webex due to a scheduling conflict.
>
>  Kind Regards,
>
>  Kristin
>
>
>
>   ------------------------------
> *From:* "codematch-develop-request@ietf.org" <
> codematch-develop-request@ietf.org>
> *To:* codematch-develop@ietf.org
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 25, 2015 9:30 AM
> *Subject:* Codematch-develop Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22
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>   1. Re: CodeMatch data model v3 (Kathleen Moriarty)
>  Dear Wanderson,
>
>  Yes, I am sure we will be able to help you and other volunteer
> developers figure out how to get started and to work as a team without
> having to attend Dallas.
>
>  Thank you.
>
> On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Wanderson Paim de Jesus <
> wanderson.jesus@rnp.br> wrote:
>
>  Dear Kathleen,
>
>  I'm afraid saying, but I had not planned attending the IETF in Dallas
> and I'm not aware about Code Sprint.
>
>  If it is possible, after the Code Sprint such other collaborators could
> send me the tools and manuals about the Codetracker.
>
>  Best regards,
>
> ------------------------------
>  *De: *"Kathleen Moriarty" <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Para: *"Wanderson Paim de Jesus" <wanderson.jesus@rnp.br>
> *Cc: *"Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org>, "Kathleen Moriarty" <
> kathleen.moriarty@emc.com>, codematch-develop@ietf.org, "Lisandro
> Zambenedetti Granville" <granville@inf.ufrgs.br>
> *Enviadas: *Segunda-feira, 23 de fevereiro de 2015 11:46:59
>
> *Assunto: *Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data model v3
>
> Wanderson,
>
>  We are glad to have your assistance!
>
>  Dave Waltermire has also volunteered to help code and we may have 1-2
> other volunteers soon.  If anyone is attending the IETF in Dallas and wil=
l
> be able to help us code, it may be a good idea to go to the Code Sprint
> Saturday before the meeting as you'll get the tools to install and learn
> more about the datatracker.  Please let me know if you need more
> information on the Code Sprint.
>
>  Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
> On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Wanderson Paim de Jesus <
> wanderson.jesus@rnp.br> wrote:
>
>  Hi Kathleen,
>
>  I find Codematch a good idea and hope being able to contribute with its
> success.
>
>  Christian seems to be interest in coding too. Given that I'm not
> familiar with datatracker, his support would be honestly welcome.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Wanderson
>
>  ------------------------------
>  *De: *"Kathleen Moriarty" <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>
> *Para: *"Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <granville@inf.ufrgs.br>
> *Cc: *"Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org>, "Kathleen Moriarty" <
> kathleen.moriarty@emc.com>, codematch-develop@ietf.org, "Wanderson Paim
> de Jesus" <wanderson.jesus@rnp.br>
> *Enviadas: *Sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2015 13:23:51
> *Assunto: *Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data model v3
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville <
> granville@inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
>  Wanderson Paim (cc=E2=80=99ed in this message), who develop the prototyp=
e
> available at http://codematch.inf.ufrgs.br is also a volunteer to code
> the CodeMatch backend.
>
>
>  Excellent, it's great to have you on the team Wanderson!  Thank you for
> volunteering!
>
>  Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>  Em 17/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 15:19, Christian O'Flaherty <oflaherty@isoc.org=
>
> escreveu:
>
>
>
>  I have a couple more volunteers for coding as well lined up.  There may
> be more decisions to be made for that and prep for developers to get
> familiar with the datatracker and how it will be accessed.
>
>
>  Although I never used datatracker as a coder I would like to be among th=
e
> initial volunteers for coding.
>
>  Christian
>
>
>  Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
>
>  Christian
>
>
>  Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, "Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville" <
> granville@inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
>
>  Hello Kathleen
>
>  I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, Code=
Match is
> a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is not
> possible to have another relationship between Project and Specification
> named CodeMatch too. But let me ask you if you agree with the suggestion =
of
> =E2=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this issue by saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is t=
he person responsible for
> helping in the development of active projects=E2=80=9D, implying that men=
tors have
> no role in already finished projects? In that way, we don=E2=80=99t need =
to change
> the data model. Not that we could not change it, but I believe keeping it
> simple is important.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>   Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen <kathleen.moriarty@e=
mc.com>
> escreveu:
>
>  Hi,
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, "Christian O'Flaherty" <oflaherty@isoc.org>
> wrote:
>
>  Hi Kathleen,
>
>    To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If
> someone is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is re=
quired. To
> help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentors seem
> to be mandatory.
>
>
>  I agree with Lisandro's reasoning. If there's a code-match, it's because
> someone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he will get the
> appropriate "coding" help if the student has some support to do that work=
.
>
>
>  Good point.
>
>
>  We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no
> request, thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just "code
> opportunity" and there's no commitment from anyone for those code-matches=
.
>
>
>  In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch eithe=
r
> be a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply
> the connection between a project and specification.  This let's us keep t=
he
> terms and model simple which may be easier for users as they will have le=
ss
> to understand in terms of our terminology.  Also keeping the data model
> simpler should help reduce coding efforts.
>
>
>
>
>   However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished,
> mentors make not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: ther=
e
> is a CodeRequest for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds
> previously finished projects but still requires further code. In that cas=
e,
> the previous projects don=E2=80=99t need a mentor, of course, but the new=
 projects
> do. But because mentors are associated with CodeRequest (and not with
> project), once we define a mentor to help in the new projects that mentor
> will be also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old projects
> will always have a mentor once new projects are required.
>
>   If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more
> with draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.
>
>
>  The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with
> CodeRequest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects
> (at that point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the
> last change in the model). Here, we have some options:
>
>
>  Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but
> let me know if I missed anything.
>
>
>  1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that
> exist only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live wi=
th
> the idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a re=
al
> mentor will be assigned, and the finished project will inherit that new
> real mentor.
>
>  2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects,
> indicating that mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an
> administrative burden here.
>
>
>  A third option could be to have active "code-requests" with mentors and
> "code-opportunities" (or a better name) for finished projects, other  RFC=
s,
> etc. with no mentor.
>
> Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a
> CodeRequest.
>
>  Thanks!
> Kathleen
>
>
>  Christian
>
>
>  Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be
> solved if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development o=
f new
> projects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now associ=
ation with
> current mentors. Too simplistic?
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>  Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty <
> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> escreveu:
>
>  Lisandro,
>
>  Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the
> team!  This looks great from what we discussed.  From additional feedback
> received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always have a
> shepherd.  If we want this to also advertise existing implementations (op=
en
> source or proprietary) of existing RFCs, there should be flexibility to
> demonstrate links between a CodeRequest (in this case an RFC) and a proje=
ct
> without having a mentor.  You would still have a coder or the project own=
er
> that creates the link and it would be possible for others to connect thei=
r
> project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.
>
>  In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeRequest
> so there are multiple ways to make the connections?
>
>  We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so
> they might only see ones that have a mentor and I'm sure they would want =
to
> be able to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (1
> FTE for x weeks or months, etc.).
>
>  Any other comments?
>
>  Thank you,
> Kathleen
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville <
> granville@inf.ufrgs.br> wrote:
>
> Dear all
>
>  After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch has
> been defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We
> tried to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the
> suggestions mentioned during the last meetings. Terms in this version are
> also aligned with the list of terms previously shared by Kathleen in the
> mailing list. Any feedback is welcomed.
>
>  Best regards,
>
>  Lisandro
>
>  <codematchv3-3.png>
>
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>
>
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>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
>
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>
>
>
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>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
>
>
>
>  --
>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
>
>
> --
> Wanderson
>
>
>
>
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>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Kristin,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for your work on the=
 card sort!</div><div><br></div><div>I moved around the boxes and wasn&#39;=
t sure what I should put in for all visitors vs. overview information.=C2=
=A0 I view them similarly, so it was hard for me to tell what was meant by =
each heading.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I didn&#39;t have much in the =
coder bucket as there was no box that said &quot;My Code Matches&quot;.=C2=
=A0 The mentor owns the code requests, so that wasn&#39;t appropriate for t=
hat category.=C2=A0 I also think the mailing list option will be tough, but=
 maybe we will learn something from that. The tricky part will be that resp=
onses may depend on a persons knowledge of the IETF Trust and IPR policies =
as opposed to functionality.=C2=A0 I would have put that one in a few categ=
ories, but for IPR reasons, selected the one that I did.</div><div><br></di=
v><div>Thanks,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 9:54 AM, Moriarty, Kathl=
een <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" targ=
et=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
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rget=3D"_blank">kmburgh@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date:</b> March 1, 2015 at 11:07:56 PM EST<br>
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lank">codematch-develop@ietf.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:codematch-=
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get=3D"_blank">kmburgh@yahoo.com</a>&gt;<br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>I believe our updated Card Sort is ready to go out.<=
/span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br>
</span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Please let me know if you have any questions regardi=
ng the attached - I would like to formally launch this tomorrow (Monday - M=
arch 2),
 so please have any comments, suggestions or updates in to me ASAP.</span><=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"https://conceptcodify.com/stud=
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sRNefS1iIfsYi4l3a/</a><br>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">In terms of distribution, I believe we had discussed using=
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e survey results.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d like to close this survey on Tuesday, March 10 and=
 report the results during the weekly meeting the following day.=C2=A0 I ho=
pe that a week and a half will be enough time to allow the developers
 to make any necessary changes prior to Dallas.</div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Kind Regards,=C2=A0</div>
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=C2=A0 1. Re: CodeMatch data model v3 (Kathleen Moriarty)<br>
=C2=A0 2. Re: Codematch-develop Digest, Vol 8, Issue 22 (Kristin Burgh)<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Lisandro,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I reached out to Pete Resnick, one of the Apps directors to see what h=
e thought.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>He does agree that something is missing.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think we can handle this in a few ways.=C2=A0 We need to be able to =
differentiate when code is requested from when a link is being made as the =
information on each will be different. =C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The data model would need a few elements to be optional, like mentor, =
resources (estimated level of effort for coding).=C2=A0 You usually see thi=
s when there is accompanying UML.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Pete suggested a different name for CodeRequest, maybe MatchRequest wi=
th an element for CodeRequest?=C2=A0 If we keep it at CodeRequest, I think =
minimally an attribute to designate if code is actually requested would be =
necessary - or we change this to MatchRequest
 with an attribute called CodeRequest as a boolean (yes/no - for our team m=
embers that are not data model savvy).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just some thoughts so the data model would be clear...</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 4:15 PM, Moriarty, Kathleen
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@=
emc.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div>
<div>Hi Lisandro,<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<span>
<div><br>
On Feb 24, 2015, at 5:41 AM, &quot;Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville&quot; &l=
t;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_bla=
nk">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>If thinks are still not clear, I can try to provide examples.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
I think an explanation along with the data model will be necessary if no li=
ne is included to show the code request isn&#39;t needed to link a project =
to a specification.=C2=A0 That and examples will help developers as we proc=
eed.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Hello Kathleen</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just to clarify: a CodeRequest is still needed to link projects to a s=
pecification. The data model is not missing a link between projects and spe=
cifications; projects are are linked to specifications only through a CodeR=
equest. What we have discussed so
 far is that the mentor field in the CodeRequest is only meaningful for act=
ive projects, since already finished projects don=E2=80=99t need a mentor a=
nymore.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</span>Let&#39;s chat about this tomorrow as I still don&#39;t see why a di=
rect connection between a project and specification can&#39;t be made.=C2=
=A0 Maybe it&#39;s to have a grouping, but I&#39;d like to talk through thi=
s a bit.=C2=A0 If you have an example for tomorrow, that may help.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
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eft:1ex">
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<div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, &quot;Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville&quot; &l=
t;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_bla=
nk">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Hello Kathleen
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, Co=
deMatch is a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is =
not possible to have another relationship between Project and Specification=
 named CodeMatch too. But let me ask you
 if you agree with the suggestion of =E2=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this issue by=
 saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is the person responsible for helping in the=
 development of active projects=E2=80=9D, implying that mentors have no rol=
e in already finished projects? In that way, we don=E2=80=99t need to chang=
e
 the data model. Not that we could not change it, but I believe keeping it =
simple is important.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen &lt;<a rel=3D"nofol=
low" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.m=
oriarty@emc.com</a>&gt; escreveu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, &quot;Christian O&#39;Flaherty&quot; &lt;<a r=
el=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">oflahe=
rty@isoc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Hi Kathleen,=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div>To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If s=
omeone is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is requi=
red. To help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentor=
s seem to be mandatory.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree with Lisandro&#39;s reasoning. If there&#39;s a code-match, it=
&#39;s because someone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he =
will get the appropriate &quot;coding&quot; help if the student has some su=
pport to do that work.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good point.</div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no requ=
est, thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just &quot;code o=
pportunity&quot; and there&#39;s no commitment from anyone for those code-m=
atches.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch either b=
e a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply th=
e connection between a project and specification.=C2=A0 This let&#39;s us k=
eep the terms and model simple which may
 be easier for users as they will have less to understand in terms of our t=
erminology.=C2=A0 Also keeping the data model simpler should help reduce co=
ding efforts.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div>However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished, ment=
ors make not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: there is a=
 CodeRequest for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds previ=
ously finished projects but still
 requires further code. In that case, the previous projects don=E2=80=99t n=
eed a mentor, of course, but the new projects do. But because mentors are a=
ssociated with CodeRequest (and not with project), once we define a mentor =
to help in the new projects that mentor
 will be also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old projects wi=
ll always have a mentor once new projects are required.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more with =
draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with C=
odeRequest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects (a=
t that point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the last =
change in the model). Here, we have
 some options:</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but let =
me know if I missed anything.<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that =
exist only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live with=
 the idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a rea=
l mentor will be assigned, and the
 finished project will inherit that new real mentor.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects, indicat=
ing that mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an administrativ=
e burden here.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A third option could be to have active &quot;code-requests&quot; with =
mentors and &quot;code-opportunities&quot; (or a better name) for finished =
projects, other =C2=A0RFCs, etc. with no mentor.=C2=A0</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a CodeRequest=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>Kathleen=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Christian</div>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be =
solved if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development of =
new projects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now asso=
ciation with current mentors. Too simplistic?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div>Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kath=
leen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; escreveu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Lisandro,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the =
team!=C2=A0 This looks great from what we discussed.=C2=A0 From additional =
feedback received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always=
 have a shepherd.=C2=A0 If we want this to also
 advertise existing implementations (open source or proprietary) of existin=
g RFCs, there should be flexibility to demonstrate links between a CodeRequ=
est (in this case an RFC) and a project without having a mentor.=C2=A0 You =
would still have a coder or the project
 owner that creates the link and it would be possible for others to connect=
 their project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeReques=
t so there are multiple ways to make the connections?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so t=
hey might only see ones that have a mentor and I&#39;m sure they would want=
 to be able to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (=
1 FTE for x weeks or months, etc.).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any other comments?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrg=
s.br" target=3D"_blank">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch ha=
s been defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We=
 tried to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the sugg=
estions mentioned during the last
 meetings. Terms in this version are also aligned with the list of terms pr=
eviously shared by Kathleen in the mailing list. Any feedback is welcomed.<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
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sending out an updated version of the card-sort survey over this coming wee=
kend.=C2=A0 The aim
 is to be able to have as much feedback from a variety of different users a=
s we can get to help create the best possible prototypes in time for Dallas=
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=C2=A0 1. Re: CodeMatch data model v3 (Kathleen Moriarty)<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Wanderson,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Yes, I am sure we will be able to help you and other volunteer develop=
ers figure out how to get started and to work as a team without having to a=
ttend Dallas.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you.</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 7:11 PM, Wanderson Paim de Jesus
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rn=
p.br" target=3D"_blank">wanderson.jesus@rnp.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12=
pt;color:#000000">
<font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif"><span style=3D"font-=
size:12pt">Dear Kathleen,</span></font>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt"><br>
</div>
<div><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif">I&#39;m afraid =
saying, but I had not planned attending the IETF in Dallas and I&#39;m not =
aware about Code Sprint.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif">If it is possib=
le, after the Code Sprint such other collaborators could send me the tools =
and manuals about the Codetracker.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div></div>
<div><span>Best regards,</span></div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt"><br>
<hr>
<div style=3D"color:#000;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decorati=
on:none;font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">
<b>De: </b>&quot;Kathleen Moriarty&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"ma=
ilto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty.=
ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Para: </b>&quot;Wanderson Paim de Jesus&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" hr=
ef=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rnp.br" target=3D"_blank">wanderson.jesus@rnp.=
br</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Christian O&#39;Flaherty&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" hre=
f=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">oflaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt=
;, &quot;Kathleen Moriarty&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:kat=
hleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;=
,
<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:codematch-develop@ietf.org" target=3D"_b=
lank">
codematch-develop@ietf.org</a>, &quot;Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville&quot;=
 &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_=
blank">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Enviadas: </b>Segunda-feira, 23 de fevereiro de 2015 11:46:59
<div>
<div><br>
<b>Assunto: </b>Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data model v3<br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Wanderson,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We are glad to have your assistance!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Dave Waltermire has also volunteered to help code and we may have 1-2 =
other volunteers soon.=C2=A0 If anyone is attending the IETF in Dallas and =
will be able to help us code, it may be a good idea to go to the Code Sprin=
t Saturday before the meeting as you&#39;ll
 get the tools to install and learn more about the datatracker.=C2=A0 Pleas=
e let me know if you need more information on the Code Sprint.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>On Mon, Feb 23, 2015 at 7:14 AM, Wanderson Paim de Jesus
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rn=
p.br" target=3D"_blank">wanderson.jesus@rnp.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div>
<div style=3D"font-family:times new roman,new york,times,serif;font-size:12=
pt;color:#000000">
<div><span style=3D"font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-size:16px">=
Hi Kathleen,</span></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">I find Codematch a good id=
ea and hope being able to contribute with its success.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Christian seems to be inte=
rest in coding too. Given that I&#39;m not familiar with datatracker, his s=
upport would be honestly welcome.</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Best regards,</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br>
</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Wanderson</font></div>
<div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif"><span style=3D"font-size:13px;backgro=
und-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><br>
</span></font></div>
<hr style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt">
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica,Arial,sans-serif;font-=
size:12pt;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none">
<b>De: </b>&quot;Kathleen Moriarty&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"ma=
ilto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty.=
ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Para: </b>&quot;Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofo=
llow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_blank">granville@in=
f.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Christian O&#39;Flaherty&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" hre=
f=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">oflaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt=
;, &quot;Kathleen Moriarty&quot; &lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:kat=
hleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;=
,
<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:codematch-develop@ietf.org" target=3D"_b=
lank">
codematch-develop@ietf.org</a>, &quot;Wanderson Paim de Jesus&quot; &lt;<a =
rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:wanderson.jesus@rnp.br" target=3D"_blank">w=
anderson.jesus@rnp.br</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Enviadas: </b>Sexta-feira, 20 de fevereiro de 2015 13:23:51<br>
<b>Assunto: </b>Re: [Codematch-develop] CodeMatch data model v3
<div>
<div><br>
<br>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div><br>
<div>On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrg=
s.br" target=3D"_blank">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Wanderson Paim (cc=E2=80=99ed in this message), who develop the protot=
ype available at
<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"http://codematch.inf.ufrgs.br/" target=3D"_blan=
k">http://codematch.inf.ufrgs.br</a>=C2=A0is also a volunteer to code the C=
odeMatch backend.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Excellent, it&#39;s great to have you on the team Wanderson!=C2=A0 Tha=
nk you for volunteering!</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Kathleen=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>Em 17/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 15:19, Christian O&#39;Flaherty &lt;<a rel=3D=
"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">oflaherty@i=
soc.org</a>&gt; escreveu:</div>
<div>
<div><br>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I have a couple more volunteers for coding as well lined up.=C2=A0 The=
re may be more decisions to be made for that and prep for developers to get=
 familiar with the datatracker and how it will be accessed.</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Although I never used datatracker as a coder I would like to be among the i=
nitial volunteers for coding.=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Christian=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen=C2=A0<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div><span><br>
</span></div>
<div><span>Christian</span></div>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen=C2=A0<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 17, 2015, at 7:05 AM, &quot;Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville&quot; &l=
t;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br" target=3D"_bla=
nk">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>Hello Kathleen
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I=E2=80=99m not an expert on data models, so I may be wrong. Today, Co=
deMatch is a relationship between Project and CodeRequest. I believe it is =
not possible to have another relationship between Project and Specification=
 named CodeMatch too. But let me ask you
 if you agree with the suggestion of =E2=80=9Cfixing=E2=80=9D this issue by=
 saying that =E2=80=9Ca Mentor is the person responsible for helping in the=
 development of active projects=E2=80=9D, implying that mentors have no rol=
e in already finished projects? In that way, we don=E2=80=99t need to chang=
e
 the data model. Not that we could not change it, but I believe keeping it =
simple is important.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>Em 14/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 14:52, Moriarty, Kathleen &lt;<a rel=3D"nofol=
low" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.m=
oriarty@emc.com</a>&gt; escreveu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div>
<div>Hi,<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
<div><br>
On Feb 13, 2015, at 11:13 AM, &quot;Christian O&#39;Flaherty&quot; &lt;<a r=
el=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">oflahe=
rty@isoc.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
<br>
</div>
<blockquote>
<div>Hi Kathleen,=C2=A0
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div>To me, a CodeRequest is an explicit call for FUTURE developments. If s=
omeone is questing code, that=E2=80=99s because (additional?) code is requi=
red. To help in the development of new code throughout new projects, mentor=
s seem to be mandatory.</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I agree with Lisandro&#39;s reasoning. If there&#39;s a code-match, it=
&#39;s because someone did a code request. Someone needed that code and he =
will get the appropriate &quot;coding&quot; help if the student has some su=
pport to do that work.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Good point.</div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We can have a different instance for those cases were there is no requ=
est, thereby no need to provide a shepherd. They could be just &quot;code o=
pportunity&quot; and there&#39;s no commitment from anyone for those code-m=
atches.</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
In looking at the data model again, how about having the CodeMatch either b=
e a fulfilled CodeRequest mapping a project to a specification or simply th=
e connection between a project and specification.=C2=A0 This let&#39;s us k=
eep the terms and model simple which may
 be easier for users as they will have less to understand in terms of our t=
erminology.=C2=A0 Also keeping the data model simpler should help reduce co=
ding efforts.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div>However, if you want to advertise projects that already finished, ment=
ors make not sense indeed. But consider the following situation: there is a=
 CodeRequest for an specific protocol. That CodeRequest already finds previ=
ously finished projects but still
 requires further code. In that case, the previous projects don=E2=80=99t n=
eed a mentor, of course, but the new projects do. But because mentors are a=
ssociated with CodeRequest (and not with project), once we define a mentor =
to help in the new projects that mentor
 will be also linked with the old projects too. In summary, old projects wi=
ll always have a mentor once new projects are required.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
If the link is to the same draft, but I suspect this will happen more with =
draft revisions or drafts that extend base specifications.<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>The whole issue resides in the fact that mentors are associated with C=
odeRequest. Previously, mentors were associated with individual projects (a=
t that point we were referring projects to as CodeMatches, before the last =
change in the model). Here, we have
 some options:</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
Yes, you are correct and I think my updated suggestion fixes this, but let =
me know if I missed anything.<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>1) Assume that dummy mentors can be associated with CodeRequests that =
exist only to advertise already finished projects, but we need to live with=
 the idea that once additional code is needed for those CodeRequests, a rea=
l mentor will be assigned, and the
 finished project will inherit that new real mentor.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>2) Rollback the model back to associate mentors with projects, indicat=
ing that mentors are optional. However, we may be imposing an administrativ=
e burden here.</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>A third option could be to have active &quot;code-requests&quot; with =
mentors and &quot;code-opportunities&quot; (or a better name) for finished =
projects, other =C2=A0RFCs, etc. with no mentor.=C2=A0</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
Or just to have two options for CodeMatches - with or without a CodeRequest=
.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks!</div>
<div>Kathleen=C2=A0</div>
<div><br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Christian</div>
<br>
<blockquote>
<div>
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Another option is checking how we tell the story. The question may be =
solved if we say that =E2=80=9Cmentors exist to help in the development of =
new projects=E2=80=9D, implying that already finished projects has now asso=
ciation with current mentors. Too simplistic?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
<div>
<blockquote>
<div>Em 11/02/2015, =C3=A0(s) 23:17, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a rel=3D"nofoll=
ow" href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kath=
leen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; escreveu:</div>
<br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr">Lisandro,
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you for your time and effort developing the data model with the =
team!=C2=A0 This looks great from what we discussed.=C2=A0 From additional =
feedback received from the IESG, the point was made that you may not always=
 have a shepherd.=C2=A0 If we want this to also
 advertise existing implementations (open source or proprietary) of existin=
g RFCs, there should be flexibility to demonstrate links between a CodeRequ=
est (in this case an RFC) and a project without having a mentor.=C2=A0 You =
would still have a coder or the project
 owner that creates the link and it would be possible for others to connect=
 their project to that same published IETF or IRTF document.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>In that case, would the coder then also be connected to the CodeReques=
t so there are multiple ways to make the connections?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>We would need search capabilities for coders looking for projects so t=
hey might only see ones that have a mentor and I&#39;m sure they would want=
 to be able to restrict their view to the projects they have time to code (=
1 FTE for x weeks or months, etc.).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Any other comments?</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
<div><br>
<div>On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 3:24 AM, Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrg=
s.br" target=3D"_blank">granville@inf.ufrgs.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
eft:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear all
<div><br>
</div>
<div>After one of our last meetings, a new data model (v3) for CodeMatch ha=
s been defined. Please, find below the new version of such a data model. We=
 tried to incorporate the comments received in the list as well as the sugg=
estions mentioned during the last
 meetings. Terms in this version are also aligned with the list of terms pr=
eviously shared by Kathleen in the mailing list. Any feedback is welcomed.<=
/div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lisandro</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><span>&lt;codematchv3-3.png&gt;</span></div>
</div>
<br>
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-develop</a><br>
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</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
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<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
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</div>
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<span><a rel=3D"nofollow" href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cod=
ematch-develop" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cod=
ematch-develop</a></span><br>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div>Best regards,</div>
<div>Kathleen</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
<br>
<br>
-- <br>
<div><span></span>Wanderson
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ze:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)" border=3D"0" cellpadding=3D"0" c=
ellspacing=3D"0" width=3D"380">
<tbody>
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<font style=3D"font-size:medium" face=3D"tahoma, new york, times, serif"><s=
pan style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,139);font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)"></span></font><span></span><br>
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</blockquote>
</div>
<br>
<br clear=3D"all">
<div><br>
</div>
-- <br>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
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</div>
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</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class=
=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kath=
leen</div></div></div>
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Dear all

I have 6 visiting professor in the university today and I=E2=80=99m =
taking them to a closing lunch. I=E2=80=99m afraid I won=E2=80=99t be =
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Dear all

I created a Power Point presentation for the upcoming IETF 92. It=E2=80=99=
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Hi Lisandro,=0A=
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Thank you1  The slides look great.  I'll pull together intro slides and try=
 to frame them in a way that answers the questions I am asked most frequent=
ly so we set the stage well for your overview of the prototype.  I'll have =
this done before our call next week, but hopefully sooner.=0A=
=0A=
Thanks,=0A=
Kathleen=0A=
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Subject: [Codematch-develop] IETF 92 presentation=0A=
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Dear all=0A=
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I created a Power Point presentation for the upcoming IETF 92. It=92s a ver=
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This time, I didn=92t convert it to Google Driver presentation format, keep=
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Yes, I do plan to join the call today.  I think Kristin can't make it, but
a short call may be helpful to prep for IETF week.

Thanks!

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen <
kathleen.moriarty@emc.com> wrote:

> Hi Lisandro,
>
> Thank you1  The slides look great.  I'll pull together intro slides and
> try to frame them in a way that answers the questions I am asked most
> frequently so we set the stage well for your overview of the prototype.
> I'll have this done before our call next week, but hopefully sooner.
>
> Thanks,
> Kathleen
> ________________________________________
> From: Codematch-develop [codematch-develop-bounces@ietf.org] on behalf of
> Lisandro Zambenedetti Granville [granville@inf.ufrgs.br]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:06 AM
> To: codematch-develop@ietf.org
> Subject: [Codematch-develop] IETF 92 presentation
>
> Dear all
>
> I created a Power Point presentation for the upcoming IETF 92. It=E2=80=
=99s a very
> first draft of it, to discuss with you. I uploaded the power point file i=
n
> out shared folder in Google Drive:
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=3D0B-dir4eV4Ih1V2tQSDdNRndrdGc&usp=
=3Dsharing
>
> File name: IETF 92 Presentation.pptx
>
> This time, I didn=E2=80=99t convert it to Google Driver presentation form=
at,
> keeping the original Power Point format: it=E2=80=99s then easier for us =
to edit it.
>
> Is today=E2=80=99s meeting confirmed?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Lisandro
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Yes, I do plan to join the call today.=C2=A0 I think Krist=
in can&#39;t make it, but a short call may be helpful to prep for IETF week=
.<div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:30 AM, Moriarty, Kathleen=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty@emc.com" target=
=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty@emc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex">Hi Lisandro,<br>
<br>
Thank you1=C2=A0 The slides look great.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll pull together intro =
slides and try to frame them in a way that answers the questions I am asked=
 most frequently so we set the stage well for your overview of the prototyp=
e.=C2=A0 I&#39;ll have this done before our call next week, but hopefully s=
ooner.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Kathleen<br>
________________________________________<br>
From: Codematch-develop [<a href=3D"mailto:codematch-develop-bounces@ietf.o=
rg">codematch-develop-bounces@ietf.org</a>] on behalf of Lisandro Zambenede=
tti Granville [<a href=3D"mailto:granville@inf.ufrgs.br">granville@inf.ufrg=
s.br</a>]<br>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2015 10:06 AM<br>
To: <a href=3D"mailto:codematch-develop@ietf.org">codematch-develop@ietf.or=
g</a><br>
Subject: [Codematch-develop] IETF 92 presentation<br>
<div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
Dear all<br>
<br>
I created a Power Point presentation for the upcoming IETF 92. It=E2=80=99s=
 a very first draft of it, to discuss with you. I uploaded the power point =
file in out shared folder in Google Drive:<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=3D0B-dir4eV4Ih1V2tQSDdNRn=
drdGc&amp;usp=3Dsharing" target=3D"_blank">https://drive.google.com/folderv=
iew?id=3D0B-dir4eV4Ih1V2tQSDdNRndrdGc&amp;usp=3Dsharing</a><br>
<br>
File name: IETF 92 Presentation.pptx<br>
<br>
This time, I didn=E2=80=99t convert it to Google Driver presentation format=
, keeping the original Power Point format: it=E2=80=99s then easier for us =
to edit it.<br>
<br>
Is today=E2=80=99s meeting confirmed?<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Lisandro<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
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<a href=3D"mailto:Codematch-develop@ietf.org">Codematch-develop@ietf.org</a=
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<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/codematch-develop" target=
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<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Codematch-develop mailing list<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Codematch-develop@ietf.org">Codematch-develop@ietf.org</a=
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</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</div=
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Hi all,

On our call I suggested to share a list of "goals" that each of us have in =
mind, which will help Kathleen to populate the slide for codematch  goals.

For us in LAC codematch will help as:
a vehicle to engage with Universities
a vehicle to engage with open source groups
a source of topics to work on and report (events, task forces, call for pap=
ers, researchers, etc.)
An opportunity for people looking for jobs to become known
A low barrier entry point to the IETF

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<div>For us in LAC codematch will help as:</div>
<div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"></span>a&nbsp=
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Hi team,

I have a very booked schedule this meeting.  There are a couple of
possibilities for me, which mean skipping a session, but I'd like us to
make progress.

Would either of the following times work for everyone:
Thursday between 9-11:30, maybe we could meet at 10 or 10:30 and I'd attend
the first part of a session

OR

Thursday 15:20-17:20

If neither of those work, I think I may be into dinner times and will have
to figure out what I have open still.

Thank you!

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Best regards,
Kathleen

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi team,<div><br></div><div>I have a very booked schedule =
this meeting.=C2=A0 There are a couple of possibilities for me, which mean =
skipping a session, but I&#39;d like us to make progress.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Would either of the following times work for everyone:</div><div>Th=
ursday between 9-11:30, maybe we could meet at 10 or 10:30 and I&#39;d atte=
nd the first part of a session</div><div><br></div><div>OR</div><div><br></=
div><div>Thursday 15:20-17:20</div><div><br></div><div>If neither of those =
work, I think I may be into dinner times and will have to figure out what I=
 have open still.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you!</div><div><div><br></=
div>-- <br><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best re=
gards,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div></div>

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Hi All,

Based on Kathleen's availability, here's a Doodle poll to see what works =
for the team to have a CodeMatch meeting during IETF week.

Please note both options are local times in Dallas for Thursday, 26 =
March (10:30-11:30 and 15:30-16:30)

http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze

Best regards,
Toral


On Mar 11, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Kathleen Moriarty =
<kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi team,
>=20
> I have a very booked schedule this meeting.  There are a couple of =
possibilities for me, which mean skipping a session, but I'd like us to =
make progress.
>=20
> Would either of the following times work for everyone:
> Thursday between 9-11:30, maybe we could meet at 10 or 10:30 and I'd =
attend the first part of a session
>=20
> OR
>=20
> Thursday 15:20-17:20
>=20
> If neither of those work, I think I may be into dinner times and will =
have to figure out what I have open still.
>=20
> Thank you!
>=20
> --=20
>=20
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; =
"><div>Hi All,</div><div><br></div>Based on Kathleen's availability, =
here's a Doodle poll to see what works for the team to have a CodeMatch =
meeting during IETF week.<div><br></div><div>Please note both options =
are local times in Dallas for Thursday, 26 March (10:30-11:30 and =
15:30-16:30)<div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze">http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7=
ccze</a></div><div><br><div>Best regards,</div><div>Toral</div><div><br>
<br><div><div>On Mar 11, 2015, at 7:13 PM, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Hi team,<div><br></div><div>I have a very booked schedule =
this meeting.&nbsp; There are a couple of possibilities for me, which =
mean skipping a session, but I'd like us to make =
progress.</div><div><br></div><div>Would either of the following times =
work for everyone:</div><div>Thursday between 9-11:30, maybe we could =
meet at 10 or 10:30 and I'd attend the first part of a =
session</div><div><br></div><div>OR</div><div><br></div><div>Thursday =
15:20-17:20</div><div><br></div><div>If neither of those work, I think I =
may be into dinner times and will have to figure out what I have open =
still.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you!</div><div><div><br></div>-- =
<br><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best =
regards,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div></div>
_______________________________________________<br>Codematch-develop =
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Hello,

If you have not filled out the doodle poll on times to meet during IETF 92,
please do so!  If these times don't work, I think I still have Monday
dinner open.

We'll need to book a room to meet, so please respond as soon as possible.

http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table

We should be able to start coding soon and want your help!

-- 

Best regards,
Kathleen

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>If you have not filled out the d=
oodle poll on times to meet during IETF 92, please do so!=C2=A0 If these ti=
mes don&#39;t work, I think I still have Monday dinner open.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>We&#39;ll need to book a room to meet, so please respond as soon=
 as possible.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://doodle.com/6xn4ite=
arax7ccze#table">http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table</a></div><div><br=
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Hello,

I just added a few slides to the presentation Lisandro started for the IETF
Administrative plenary.  Please take a few minutes to review and comment.

Also please let me know if I inadvertently left off anyones name that
should be acknowledged as part of the team.

https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Hhf3LvqEd8o4JEuH1cLPO7gNsoaE_VLM5JJPh4P_5fQ/edit#slide=id.p3

We'll review the slides on tomorrow's call as well.

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hello,<div><br></div><div>I just added a few slides to the=
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lease take a few minutes to review and comment.</div><div><br></div><div>Al=
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Hello Kathleen,

I=E2=80=99ve included Wanderson=E2=80=99s name in the list. He coded the =
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Lisandro

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Thank you, Lisandro!

Sorry for my oversight, Wanderson!

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>>=20
>> Hello,
>>=20
>> I just added a few slides to the presentation Lisandro started for the IE=
TF Administrative plenary.  Please take a few minutes to review and comment.=

>>=20
>> Also please let me know if I inadvertently left off anyones name that sho=
uld be acknowledged as part of the team.
>>=20
>> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1Hhf3LvqEd8o4JEuH1cLPO7gNsoaE_VLM5=
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>> We'll review the slides on tomorrow's call as well.
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>> Thank you!
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Hi,

If you haven't responded on the Doodle poll with your choice of meeting
times, please do.  Right now, it looks like we will be meeting 3:30-4:30PM.

http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table

Thanks.

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Do we have a meeting room? (sorry if it was discussed before, but I =
couldn't found it in my emails)

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> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Moriarty =
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> Hi,
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> If you haven't responded on the Doodle poll with your choice of =
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> http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table =
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> Thanks.
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Not yet, do you have one we could use?  If not, we can request one.

Thank you!

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Christian O'Flaherty <oflaherty@isoc.org>
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> Do we have a meeting room? (sorry if it was discussed before, but I
> couldn't found it in my emails)
>
> Christian O'Flaherty - oflaherty@isoc.org
> Regional Development - Internet Society
> Skype/Gmail/Yahoo!:  christian.oflaherty
> Phone: +598 98769636
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> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
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> Hi,
>
> If you haven't responded on the Doodle poll with your choice of meeting
> times, please do.  Right now, it looks like we will be meeting 3:30-4:30PM.
>
> http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
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> Best regards,
> Kathleen
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eeting room? (sorry if it was discussed before, but I couldn&#39;t found it=
 in my emails)<div><br><div>
<div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-=
indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wra=
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gn:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacin=
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ormal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norm=
al;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);le=
tter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;wh=
ite-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"color=
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t-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit=
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px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helveti=
ca;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:=
normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-tran=
sform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word">Christ=
ian O&#39;Flaherty -=C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_=
blank">oflaherty@isoc.org</a><br>Regional Development - Internet Society=C2=
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f=3D"tel:%2B598%2098769636" value=3D"+59898769636" target=3D"_blank">+598 9=
8769636</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>On Mar 23, 2=
015, at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.=
ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi=
,<div><br></div><div>If you haven&#39;t responded on the Doodle poll with y=
our choice of meeting times, please do.=C2=A0 Right now, it looks like we w=
ill be meeting 3:30-4:30PM.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://dood=
le.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table" target=3D"_blank">http://doodle.com/6xn4itea=
rax7ccze#table</a></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks.<br clear=3D"all"><div><=
br></div>-- <br><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kath=
leen</div></div></div>
</div></div></div></div>
_______________________________________________<br>Codematch-develop mailin=
g list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Codematch-develop@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">C=
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Hi Christian and Kathleen,

I'll close the Doodle poll Tuesday at noon local time and then send out =
meeting room details to the group. =20

Thanks for checking.
Toral



On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Kathleen Moriarty =
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> Not yet, do you have one we could use?  If not, we can request one.
>=20
> Thank you!
>=20
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Christian O'Flaherty =
<oflaherty@isoc.org> wrote:
> Do we have a meeting room? (sorry if it was discussed before, but I =
couldn't found it in my emails)
>=20
> Christian O'Flaherty - oflaherty@isoc.org
> Regional Development - Internet Society=20
> Skype/Gmail/Yahoo!:  christian.oflaherty=20
> Phone: +598 98769636
>=20
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Moriarty =
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>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> If you haven't responded on the Doodle poll with your choice of =
meeting times, please do.  Right now, it looks like we will be meeting =
3:30-4:30PM.
>>=20
>> http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table
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>> Thanks.
>>=20
>> --=20
>>=20
>> Best regards,
>> Kathleen
>> _______________________________________________
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-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hi =
Christian and Kathleen,<div><br></div><div>I'll close the Doodle poll =
Tuesday at noon local time and then send out meeting room details to the =
group. &nbsp;<div><br></div><div>Thanks for =
checking.</div><div>Toral<br><div><div apple-content-edited=3D"true">
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<br><div><div>On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gm=
ail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br =
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http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Not yet, do you have one we could use?&nbsp; If not, we can =
request one.<div><br></div><div>Thank you!</div></div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 23, =
2015 at 3:52 PM, Christian O'Flaherty <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" =
target=3D"_blank">oflaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt;</span> =
wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div =
style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Do we have a meeting room? (sorry if it =
was discussed before, but I couldn't found it in my =
emails)<div><br><div>
<div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
word-wrap: break-word; "><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div =
style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: =
break-word; "><div style=3D"letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: =
-webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; "><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: =
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normal; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; =
">Christian O'Flaherty -&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" =
target=3D"_blank">oflaherty@isoc.org</a><br>Regional Development - =
Internet Society&nbsp;<br>Skype/Gmail/Yahoo!: =
&nbsp;christian.oflaherty&nbsp;<br>Phone: <a =
href=3D"tel:%2B598%2098769636" value=3D"+59898769636" =
target=3D"_blank">+598 98769636</a></div></div></div></div></div></div>
</div>
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=3D"h5"><div>On Mar =
23, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" =
target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; =
wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div><div class=3D"h5"><div =
dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>If you haven't responded on the =
Doodle poll with your choice of meeting times, please do.&nbsp; Right =
now, it looks like we will be meeting =
3:30-4:30PM.</div><div><br></div><div><a =
href=3D"http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table" =
target=3D"_blank">http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table</a></div><div><=
br></div><div>Thanks.<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div></div></div></div>
_______________________________________________<br>Codematch-develop =
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target=3D"_blank">Codematch-develop@ietf.org</a><br><a =
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dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>Codematch-develop =
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Thank you, Toral!

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Toral Cowieson <cowieson@isoc.org> wrote:

> Hi Christian and Kathleen,
>
> I'll close the Doodle poll Tuesday at noon local time and then send out
> meeting room details to the group.
>
> Thanks for checking.
> Toral
>
>
>
>
> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Not yet, do you have one we could use?  If not, we can request one.
>
> Thank you!
>
> On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Christian O'Flaherty <oflaherty@isoc.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Do we have a meeting room? (sorry if it was discussed before, but I
>> couldn't found it in my emails)
>>
>> Christian O'Flaherty - oflaherty@isoc.org
>> Regional Development - Internet Society
>> Skype/Gmail/Yahoo!:  christian.oflaherty
>> Phone: +598 98769636
>>
>> On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:16 PM, Kathleen Moriarty <
>> kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If you haven't responded on the Doodle poll with your choice of meeting
>> times, please do.  Right now, it looks like we will be meeting 3:30-4:30PM.
>>
>> http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Kathleen
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>>
>>
>
>
> --
>
> Best regards,
> Kathleen
>  _______________________________________________
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Best regards,
Kathleen

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you, Toral!</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Toral Cowieson <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cowieson@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">co=
wieson@isoc.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Hi Christian and Kathleen,<div><br></div><=
div>I&#39;ll close the Doodle poll Tuesday at noon local time and then send=
 out meeting room details to the group. =C2=A0<div><br></div><div>Thanks fo=
r checking.</div><div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">Toral<=
/font></span><div><div class=3D"h5"><br><div><div>
<div><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word"><br></div></div><br>

</div>
<br><div><div>On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:53 PM, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriar=
ty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div di=
r=3D"ltr">Not yet, do you have one we could use?=C2=A0 If not, we can reque=
st one.<div><br></div><div>Thank you!</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"=
><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Christian =
O&#39;Flaherty <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" =
target=3D"_blank">oflaherty@isoc.org</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Do we have a meeting =
room? (sorry if it was discussed before, but I couldn&#39;t found it in my =
emails)<div><br><div>
<div style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-t=
ransform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><di=
v style=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-tran=
sform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div s=
tyle=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transfo=
rm:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div styl=
e=3D"letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:=
none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word"><div style=
=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight=
:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;te=
xt-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-=
wrap:break-word"><div style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font=
-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal=
;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:no=
rmal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word">Christian O&#39;Flaherty -=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"mailto:oflaherty@isoc.org" target=3D"_blank">oflaherty@isoc.o=
rg</a><br>Regional Development - Internet Society=C2=A0<br>Skype/Gmail/Yaho=
o!: =C2=A0christian.oflaherty=C2=A0<br>Phone: <a href=3D"tel:%2B598%2098769=
636" value=3D"+59898769636" target=3D"_blank">+598 98769636</a></div></div>=
</div></div></div></div>
</div>
<br><div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div><div>On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:16 =
PM, Kathleen Moriarty &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:</div><=
br></div></div><div><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>If yo=
u haven&#39;t responded on the Doodle poll with your choice of meeting time=
s, please do.=C2=A0 Right now, it looks like we will be meeting 3:30-4:30PM=
.</div><div><br></div><div><a href=3D"http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#ta=
ble" target=3D"_blank">http://doodle.com/6xn4itearax7ccze#table</a></div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Thanks.<br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div></div></div></div>
_______________________________________________<br>Codematch-develop mailin=
g list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Codematch-develop@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">C=
odematch-develop@ietf.org</a><br><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li=
stinfo/codematch-develop" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li=
stinfo/codematch-develop</a><br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></=
blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,</div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div>
_______________________________________________<br>Codematch-develop mailin=
g list<br><a href=3D"mailto:Codematch-develop@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">C=
odematch-develop@ietf.org</a><br><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li=
stinfo/codematch-develop" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/li=
stinfo/codematch-develop</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></=
div></div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- =
<br><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div>Best regards,<=
/div><div>Kathleen</div></div></div>
</div>

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Here are the details for Thursday's CodeMatch meeting:

Thursday, 26 March
3:30-4:30pm Central (local time)
Fairmont Hotel, Vista Room in South Tower

See you all there!
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Hi,

It was great seeing everyone last week in Dallas!  As discussed, we'll cover=
 3 topics on Wednesday's call:

1. Feedback from UX testing so we can integrate it into the prototype as we a=
re close to starting development.

2. Overview of what resources we'll need to support CodeMatch with AMS team.=


3. Discussions on programming to the datatracker.  If Suresh can make this c=
all, we'll focus on what we need to know about the environment.  If he can't=
 make the call, we can discuss the plan for code sprints and organizing work=
.  In any case, we'll cover one of this this week and the other next week.

I'll send some pointers to previous discussions on programming to this list t=
omorrow.

Thank you,
Kathleen=20

Sent from my iPhone=

