From nobody Thu Mar 26 09:42:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED6721A8991; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:34:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BpNY5C_Wqvfy; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16B71A892C; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:34:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: "IETF Announcement List" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 5.13.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20150326163435.4802.70028.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:34:35 -0700 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 09:42:20 -0700 Cc: kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com, odonoghue@isoc.org, cose@ietf.org Subject: [Cose] New Non-WG Mailing List: Cose -- Constrained Object Signing and Encryption X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Reply-To: ietf@ietf.org List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 16:34:37 -0000 A new IETF non-working group email list has been created. List address: cose@ietf.org Archive: http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/cose/ To subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose Purpose: COSE (Constrained Object Signing and Encryption) provides services similar to JSON Web Signature (JWS), JSON Web Encryption (JWE), and JSON Web Key (JWK), making use of JSON Web Algorithms (JWA), for data encoded in the Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR). This mailing list will be used to discuss COSE related topics, and charter proposals, etc. The goal is to create a new working group to develop COSE specifications. Initial drafts for COSE: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bormann-jose-cose-00 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-00 For additional information, please contact the list administrators. From nobody Thu Mar 26 11:45:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFA781AC3C3 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:45:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B65blM9bjRDq for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0117.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.117]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A72641ABD36 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:45:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BL2PR03MB433.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.92.19) by BL2PR03MB436.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.92.26) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.125.14; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:45:43 +0000 Received: from BL2PR03MB433.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.92.19]) by BL2PR03MB433.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.92.19]) with mapi id 15.01.0125.002; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:45:43 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: "cose@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Draft COSE charter Thread-Index: AdBn9Q1igKLjI6MURFGWKFKX/u0YfA== Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:45:42 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [31.133.164.151] authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BL2PR03MB436; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(40100003)(77096005)(2900100001)(46102003)(122556002)(19300405004)(19617315012)(15975445007)(450100001)(92566002)(102836002)(62966003)(2351001)(19580395003)(16236675004)(77156002)(229853001)(107886001)(110136001)(2501003)(54356999)(50986999)(86362001)(87936001)(2656002)(99286002)(74316001)(19625215002)(33656002)(76576001)(66066001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BL2PR03MB436; H:BL2PR03MB433.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5002010)(5005006); SRVR:BL2PR03MB436; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BL2PR03MB436; x-forefront-prvs: 0527DFA348 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BL2PR03MB4334B0F0DC3E7494EA9F3E0F5080BL2PR03MB433namprd_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 26 Mar 2015 18:45:42.9591 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BL2PR03MB436 Archived-At: Subject: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:45:53 -0000 --_000_BL2PR03MB4334B0F0DC3E7494EA9F3E0F5080BL2PR03MB433namprd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wrote a possible first carter draft, intentionally largely based on http:= //datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jose/charter/. Have at it! -- Mike CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) Charter for Working Group Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) is a compact binary format for = the serialization of structured data described in RFC 7049. The CBOR format= is often used for serializing and transmitting structured data over a netw= ork connection. With the increased usage of CBOR in protocols in the IETF a= nd elsewhere, particularly in constrained device and Internet of Things (Io= T) use cases, there is now a desire to offer security services that use mes= sage authentication codes (MACs), encryption, and digital signatures and th= at carry their data in CBOR format. The JOSE working group recently completed producing representations with si= milar goals but using JSON data structures rather than CBOR data structures= . A goal of this working group is to reuse the work done by JOSE, where ap= plicable to CBOR use cases, while adapting it to use CBOR data structures a= nd incorporating other design decisions appropriate to those use cases. The working group will strive to gather use cases to inform the design choi= ces made, including use cases for protocols used by devices with size, powe= r, bandwidth, and latency constraints and for Internet of Things (IoT) use = cases. This group is chartered to work on the following deliverables: * An Informational specification detailing Use Cases and Requirement= s for CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE). * A Standards Track specification specifying a representation of int= egrity-protected data using CBOR data structures, where the data to be prot= ected includes (but is not limited to) CBOR data structures. "Integrity pro= tection" includes public-key digital signatures as well as symmetric-key MA= Cs. This deliverable will reuse those design decisions made in draft-ietf-= jose-json-web-signature that are appropriate to the COSE use cases. * A Standards Track specification specifying a representation of enc= rypted data using CBOR data structures, where the data to be protected incl= udes (but is not limited to) CBOR data structures. This deliverable will r= euse those design decisions made in draft-ietf-jose-json-web-encryption tha= t are appropriate to the COSE use cases. * A Standards Track specification specifying how to represent crypto= graphic keys as CBOR-structured objects. This deliverable will represent k= eys in a manner equivalent to draft-ietf-jose-json-web-key, but using CBOR = rather than JSON data representations. * A Standards Track specification specifying algorithms and algorith= m identifiers for the previous three specifications. This deliverable will = reuse algorithms, identifiers, and registries already present in draft-ietf= -jose-json-web-algorithms that are appropriate to the COSE use cases, while= possibly extending the set of registered algorithms and identifiers in way= s that are appropriate to the COSE use cases. One or more of these goals may be combined into a single specification, in = which case the concrete milestones for these goals will be satisfied by the= consolidated specification(s). Milestones April 2015 Submit COSE use cases and requirements specification as a WG item May 2015 Submit COSE object integrity specification as a WG item May 2015 Submit COSE object encryption specification as a WG item May 2015 Submit COSE key format specification as a WG item May 2015 Submit COSE algorithm specification as a WG item Jul 2015 WGLC for COSE use cases and requirements specification Sep 2015 IETF last call for COSE use cases and requirements specification Nov 2015 WGLC for COSE object integrity specification Nov 2015 WGLC for COSE object encryption specification Nov 2015 WGLC for COSE key format specification Nov 2015 WGLC for COSE algorithm specification Jan 2016 IETF last call for COSE object integrity specification Jan 2016 IETF last call for COSE object encryption specification Jan 2016 IETF last call for COSE key format specification Jan 2016 IETF last call for COSE algorithm specification --_000_BL2PR03MB4334B0F0DC3E7494EA9F3E0F5080BL2PR03MB433namprd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I wrote a possible first carter draft, intentiona= lly largely based on http://datatracker= .ietf.org/wg/jose/charter/.  Have at it!

 

        &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp; -- Mike

 

CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE)=

Charter for Working Group

Concise Binary Object Representation (CBO= R) is a compact binary format for the serialization of structured data desc= ribed in RFC 7049. The CBOR format is often used for serializing and transmitting structured data over a network connection. With the incre= ased usage of CBOR in protocols in the IETF and elsewhere, particularly in = constrained device and Internet of Things (IoT) use cases, there is now a d= esire to offer security services that use message authentication codes (MACs), encryption, and digital sign= atures and that carry their data in CBOR format.

 

The JOSE working group recently completed= producing representations with similar goals but using JSON data structure= s rather than CBOR data structures.  A goal of this working group is to reuse the work done by JOSE, where applicable to CBOR use case= s, while adapting it to use CBOR data structures and incorporating other de= sign decisions appropriate to those use cases.

 

The working group will strive to gather u= se cases to inform the design choices made, including use cases for protoco= ls used by devices with size, power, bandwidth, and latency constraints and for Internet of Things (IoT) use cases.<= /p>

 

This group is chartered to work on the fo= llowing deliverables:

·        An Informational specification de= tailing Use Cases and Requirements for CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (= COSE).

·        A Standards Track specification s= pecifying a representation of integrity-protected data using CBOR data stru= ctures, where the data to be protected includes (but is not limited to) CBOR data structures. "Integrity protection" inc= ludes public-key digital signatures as well as symmetric-key MACs.  Th= is deliverable will reuse those design decisions made in draft-ietf-jose-js= on-web-signature that are appropriate to the COSE use cases.

·        A Standards Track specification s= pecifying a representation of encrypted data using CBOR data structures, wh= ere the data to be protected includes (but is not limited to) CBOR data structures.  This deliverable will reuse those design d= ecisions made in draft-ietf-jose-json-web-encryption that are appropriate t= o the COSE use cases.

·        A Standards Track specification s= pecifying how to represent cryptographic keys as CBOR-structured objects.&n= bsp; This deliverable will represent keys in a manner equivalent to draft-ietf-jose-json-web-key, but using CBOR rather than JSON data repr= esentations.

·        A Standards Track specification s= pecifying algorithms and algorithm identifiers for the previous three speci= fications. This deliverable will reuse algorithms, identifiers, and registries already present in draft-ietf-jose-json-web-algorithms that= are appropriate to the COSE use cases, while possibly extending the set of= registered algorithms and identifiers in ways that are appropriate to the = COSE use cases.

One or more of these goals may be combine= d into a single specification, in which case the concrete milestones for th= ese goals will be satisfied by the consolidated specification(s).

 

Milestones

April 2015

Submit COSE use cases and requirements sp= ecification as a WG item

May 2015

Submit COSE object integrity specificatio= n as a WG item

May 2015

Submit COSE object encryption specificati= on as a WG item

May 2015

Submit COSE key format specification as a= WG item

May 2015

Submit COSE algorithm specification as a = WG item

Jul 2015

WGLC for COSE use cases and requirements = specification

Sep 2015

IETF last call for COSE use cases and req= uirements specification

Nov 2015

WGLC for COSE object integrity specificat= ion

Nov 2015

WGLC for COSE object encryption specifica= tion

Nov 2015

WGLC for COSE key format specification

Nov 2015

WGLC for COSE algorithm specification

Jan 2016

IETF last call for COSE object integrity = specification

Jan 2016

IETF last call for COSE object encryption= specification

Jan 2016

IETF last call for COSE key format specif= ication

Jan 2016

IETF last call for COSE algorithm specifi= cation

 

 

--_000_BL2PR03MB4334B0F0DC3E7494EA9F3E0F5080BL2PR03MB433namprd_-- From nobody Thu Mar 26 11:51:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 479801A92FB for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:51:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TQRv4ibIGWRx for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:51:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4133-34.mail.aliyun.com (out4133-34.mail.aliyun.com [42.120.133.34]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 357B11AC3F6 for ; Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:50:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alibaba-inc.com; s=default; t=1427395848; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=6MVhEtbH9d9p2jEsQUGuFwv6b82tRsCtVBhl4FYLoTw=; b=n7JYagYXW6loK1JwTUdbJ+wzu2HQ5SoF/3cXVYPmPv7noNMdIbNCXQ3zTGyQUQVDQaLq7ZlUteCvThNjr2jSN6jUFlpoyJWAZbQSijW7aQJYCejfLwjkbLlPK3KH78ms+3TovgANXPpCM+7Nof5x38vggztNb3N5kR2Mt2tsxWo= X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=PASS; BC=-1|-1; BR=01201311R171e4; FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=r41f05024; MF=kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com; PH=DW; RN=1; RT=1; SR=0; Received: from WS-web (kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com[31.133.161.253]) by r41g03020.xy2.aliyun.com at Fri, 27 Mar 2015 02:50:47 +0800 Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 02:50:47 +0800 From: "Kepeng Li" To: "cose" Message-ID: <9c9c8392-99f6-48b1-a816-895636df1fab@alibaba-inc.com> X-Mailer: Alimail-Mailagent revision 2687495 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=ALIBOUNDARY_13396_4eeba940_55145507_2451f" Archived-At: Subject: [Cose] =?utf-8?q?Welcome_to_COSE_mailing_list?= X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kepeng Li List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2015 18:51:06 -0000 ------=ALIBOUNDARY_13396_4eeba940_55145507_2451f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello all,=0AWelcome to the COSE mailing list.=0AThis mailing list will be use= d to discuss CBOR Object Signing and Encryption related topics and working gro= up charter proposals.=0APlease refer to RFC7049 for more information about CBO= R (Concise Binary Object Representation):=0Ahttp://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7049= =0AInitial drafts for reading are:http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-borman= n-jose-cose/https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-cose/=0A Design team= is working on the charter proposals, and it will be sent out soon.=0A=0AThank= s,=0AKind RegardsKepeng ------=ALIBOUNDARY_13396_4eeba940_55145507_2451f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello all,

Welcome to the COSE mailing list.

This mailing list will be us= ed to discuss CBOR Object Signing and Encryption related topics and working gr= oup charter proposals.

Plea= se refer to RFC7049 for more information about CBOR (Concise Binary Object Rep= resentation):
http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7049

Initial drafts for reading are:

<= /div>
Design te= am is working on the charter proposals, and it will be sent out soon.

<= /div>
Thanks,

Kind Regard= s
Kepeng
------=ALIBOUNDARY_13396_4eeba940_55145507_2451f-- From nobody Fri Mar 27 05:41:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A35F1ACD97 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ffBOlOBqw2Ok for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7898F1ACD93 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:41:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-9076.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9076.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.144.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by proper.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t2RCfMRm072963 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:41:23 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 07:41:21 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Mike Jones X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:41:24 -0000 On Mar 26, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Mike Jones = wrote: > I wrote a possible first carter draft, intentionally largely based on = http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jose/charter/. Have at it! My first impression is that this proposed charter is massive overkill. = One important lesson from the JOSE WG was that long schedules such as = this become targets for "those people are already using this feature, so = you can't change it in the spec even if it is bad". A different idea is a short charter for exactly one document that = defines the COSE spec. The WG should collect use cases as we go on a = Wiki. If someone wants to capture that later in an RFC, they can do so. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Fri Mar 27 05:42:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D001ACDA8 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:42:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i3Rjeu3wpBKc for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7399D1ACD93 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dhcp-9076.meeting.ietf.org (dhcp-9076.meeting.ietf.org [31.133.144.118]) (authenticated bits=0) by proper.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t2RCfMRn072963 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 27 Mar 2015 05:42:22 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <9c9c8392-99f6-48b1-a816-895636df1fab@alibaba-inc.com> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 07:42:22 -0500 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <2C3480A6-98F4-4C97-AAAF-7EFFCED57369@vpnc.org> References: <9c9c8392-99f6-48b1-a816-895636df1fab@alibaba-inc.com> To: Kepeng Li X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: cose Subject: Re: [Cose] Welcome to COSE mailing list X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 12:42:26 -0000 On Mar 26, 2015, at 1:50 PM, Kepeng Li = wrote: > Design team is working on the charter proposals, and it will be sent = out soon. Can those discussions move to this list, for those of us who are not on = the design team? Mike already made one proposal, and I have heard there = are other very different ones. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Fri Mar 27 10:10:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59BEA1B29D6 for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:10:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hXhi0EzEGGFx for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0713.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::1:713]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7B08D1B29BF for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 10:10:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLUPR03MB440.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.78.154) by BLUPR03MB117.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.255.212.15) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.112.19; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:06 +0000 Received: from BLUPR03MB437.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.78.147) by BLUPR03MB440.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.78.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.125.14; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:04 +0000 Received: from BLUPR03MB437.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.78.147]) by BLUPR03MB437.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.78.147]) with mapi id 15.01.0125.002; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:04 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: Paul Hoffman Thread-Topic: [Cose] Draft COSE charter Thread-Index: AdBn9Q1igKLjI6MURFGWKFKX/u0YfAAlkZyAAAkliGA= Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:04 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [64.134.52.104] authentication-results: vpnc.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR03MB440; UriScan:; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR03MB117; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(76104003)(377454003)(24454002)(51704005)(66066001)(92566002)(2950100001)(2900100001)(76576001)(46102003)(74316001)(110136001)(86362001)(86612001)(77096005)(2656002)(33656002)(77156002)(62966003)(50986999)(87936001)(76176999)(54356999)(19580395003)(19580405001)(40100003)(122556002)(102836002)(15975445007); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR03MB440; H:BLUPR03MB437.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5002010)(5005006); SRVR:BLUPR03MB440; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BLUPR03MB440; x-forefront-prvs: 0528942FD8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 27 Mar 2015 17:10:04.7244 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BLUPR03MB440 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com Archived-At: Cc: "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:10:29 -0000 Hi Paul, > From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoffman@vpnc.org]=20 > > On Mar 26, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Mike Jones wro= te: > > I wrote a possible first carter draft, intentionally largely based on h= ttp://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/jose/charter/. Have at it! > > My first impression is that this proposed charter is massive overkill. On= e important lesson from the JOSE WG was that long schedules such as this be= come targets for "those people are already using this feature, so you can't= change it in the spec even if it is bad". If you think the milestones give too much time, by all means, suggest short= er ones. If we have aggressive editors and an engaged working group, I'm s= ure we can beat the ones I wrote down as a strawman. What do you think the= milestones should be? > A different idea is a short charter for exactly one document that defines= the COSE spec. As the draft that I posted says, the working group would free to combine an= y of those deliverables into a smaller set of documents, including one. I = still think that it's important to call out what the deliverables are. (Fo= r instance, is a JWK equivalent in scope? If so, I think the charter needs= to say so.) Do you believe that we should take any of the listed delivera= bles off the table? > The WG should collect use cases as we go on a Wiki. If someone wants to c= apture that later in an RFC, they can do so. I'm fine with that approach. We could therefore weaken the description of = that deliverable to say that the working group MAY produce a use cases RFC,= so that if it decides to do so, it doesn't require rechartering. > --Paul Hoffman -- Mike From nobody Fri Mar 27 11:28:35 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16D141A884E for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:28:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.55 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.55 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_DE=0.35] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zlWuOhkgBa_t for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:28:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5A5F91A884D for ; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 11:28:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t2RISQeF016527; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:28:26 +0100 (CET) Received: from alma.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:152:fd6b:dc96:9772:35a]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3lDBWr0050zCtpt; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 19:28:23 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 13:28:20 -0500 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jones References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------010201060808060709080000" Archived-At: Cc: Paul Hoffman , "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:28:34 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010201060808060709080000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Here is an update of my charter proposal. I took in the proposal to have the algorithm registrations in a separate draft. Since the adaptation of JOSE to CBOR is mostly straightforward, I think we can be light on the usecases. So I didn't bother to put usecases into the charter at all. If indeed a usecases document emerges from the Wiki, I'd expect the ADs to be flexible enough to allow us to take this on. 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Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:32:11 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: Carsten Bormann Thread-Topic: [Cose] Draft COSE charter Thread-Index: AdBn9Q1igKLjI6MURFGWKFKX/u0YfAAlkZyAAAkliGAAAvi+AAAAGDjQ Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:32:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [64.134.52.104] authentication-results: tzi.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BLUPR03MB439; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(377454003)(13464003)(86612001)(110136001)(54356999)(33656002)(86362001)(77156002)(62966003)(2656002)(50986999)(122556002)(46102003)(76176999)(66066001)(19580405001)(40100003)(19580395003)(87936001)(76576001)(2900100001)(2950100001)(74316001)(561944003)(93886004)(77096005)(92566002)(102836002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BLUPR03MB439; H:BLUPR03MB437.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; 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Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:20:47 +0100 (CET) Received: from alma.local (unknown [IPv6:2001:67c:370:136:a0c7:cc6e:d8d3:a027]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3lDHgy4NvfzCsV7; Fri, 27 Mar 2015 23:20:46 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 17:20:44 -0500 From: Carsten Bormann User-Agent: Postbox 3.0.11 (Macintosh/20140602) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Jones References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: Paul Hoffman , "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2015 22:20:54 -0000 > Your document is silent on whether we'll develop a JWK-equivalent. Talking to you in person, I think the answer is "yes". Could you add that deliverable to your doc and republish, Carsten? Indeed. I was assuming that > a single Standards-Track specification > covering all of the functions achieved by JOSE was covering this. Is there a reason JWK needs to be called out in a special way? There is a couple of paragraphs covering JWK in draft-schaad-cose-00.txt; what is missing? 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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mike Jones wrote: > I'd add a sentence or two about keys since while signing and encryption > address implied from the title, having support for keys isn't. Does the below work? 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charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:50:21 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> To: "cose@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:50:24 -0000 The wording in the last paragraph (deliverables) needs a bit more work. = The "single" is confusing because it is followed by a second document. = Also, "functions" seems like the wrong word here. Current: The deliverable of the WG is a single Standards-Track specification covering all of the functions achieved by JOSE (including JWS, JWE, JWK), CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE). In addition, a number of algorithms (JWA) will be registered that are appropriate for constrained environments (such as AES-CCM-8). Proposed: The WG will have two deliverables: - a standards-track specification covering the same cryptographic formats from JOSE, expressed in CBOR - registration for algorithms (such as AES-CCM-8) that are appropriate for constrained environments In addition, I think the charter should mention use cases so that the = greater IESG community understands how we will handle them. Proposed = addition: The Working Group will use a wiki to track desired use cases for its = work, but does not intend to publish this as an RFC. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Sat Mar 28 11:53:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FCC1A8F39 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:53:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.003 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.003 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UokRZIqaQV8E for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0719.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::719]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48FBE1A8F36 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 11:53:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.145) by BY2PR03MB441.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.142) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.125.14; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:52:57 +0000 Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) by BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0125.002; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:52:57 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: Paul Hoffman , "cose@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Cose] Draft COSE charter Thread-Index: AdBn9Q1igKLjI6MURFGWKFKX/u0YfAAlkZyAAAkliGAAAvi+AAAAGDjQAAgFmgAAADMyWAACnlEAACggHoAAAAlCQA== Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:52:57 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [50.47.90.173] authentication-results: vpnc.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY2PR03MB441; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(13464003)(377454003)(46102003)(40100003)(2900100001)(2950100001)(66066001)(92566002)(19580395003)(19580405001)(76576001)(77096005)(33656002)(15975445007)(102836002)(74316001)(122556002)(93886004)(87936001)(86612001)(62966003)(77156002)(107886001)(54356999)(2656002)(2501003)(99286002)(86362001)(50986999)(76176999); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR03MB441; H:BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5002010)(5005006); SRVR:BY2PR03MB441; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2PR03MB441; x-forefront-prvs: 05299D545B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Mar 2015 18:52:57.1548 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR03MB441 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 18:53:21 -0000 s/but does not intend to publish this as an RFC/but may or may not decide t= o publish use cases as an RFC/ Let's not tie our hands whether to do this in the charter or not. Let the = WG decide later. -----Original Message----- From: Cose [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Paul Hoffman Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 11:50 AM To: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter The wording in the last paragraph (deliverables) needs a bit more work. The= "single" is confusing because it is followed by a second document. Also, "= functions" seems like the wrong word here. Current: The deliverable of the WG is a single Standards-Track specification coverin= g all of the functions achieved by JOSE (including JWS, JWE, JWK), CBOR Obj= ect Signing and Encryption (COSE). In addition, a number of algorithms (JW= A) will be registered that are appropriate for constrained environments (su= ch as AES-CCM-8). Proposed: The WG will have two deliverables: - a standards-track specification covering the same cryptographic formats f= rom JOSE, expressed in CBOR - registration for algorithms (such as AES-CCM-8) that are appropriate for = constrained environments In addition, I think the charter should mention use cases so that the great= er IESG community understands how we will handle them. Proposed addition: The Working Group will use a wiki to track desired use cases for its work, = but does not intend to publish this as an RFC. --Paul Hoffman _______________________________________________ Cose mailing list Cose@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose From nobody Sat Mar 28 12:04:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 187DD1A9034 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:04:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BPB_CQdF8cWT for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C098E1A9006 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:04:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.101] (50-1-51-95.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by proper.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t2SJ40kx034352 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:04:01 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: proper.com: Host 50-1-51-95.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.95] claimed to be [10.20.30.101] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:04:00 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> To: Mike Jones X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:04:03 -0000 On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Mike Jones = wrote: >=20 > s/but does not intend to publish this as an RFC/but may or may not = decide to publish use cases as an RFC/ >=20 > Let's not tie our hands whether to do this in the charter or not. Let = the WG decide later. The purpose of an IETF WG charter is to commit to a list of work items. = If the WG wants to later add items, it can ask the IETF to revise the = charter. Thus, "may or may not" is not appropriate text for a work item = in a charter. --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Sat Mar 28 12:42:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CBE1A896D for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:42:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kSxi1GMkRX30 for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1on0782.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::782]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1BCF81A890C for ; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 12:42:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.145) by BY2PR03MB444.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.125.14; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:41:42 +0000 Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) by BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0125.002; Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:41:42 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: Paul Hoffman Thread-Topic: [Cose] Draft COSE charter Thread-Index: AdBn9Q1igKLjI6MURFGWKFKX/u0YfAAlkZyAAAkliGAAAvi+AAAAGDjQAAgFmgAAADMyWAACnlEAACggHoAAAAlCQAAAcMgAAAFI22A= Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:41:41 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [2001:4898:80e0:ee43::3] authentication-results: vpnc.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(6009001)(51704005)(377454003)(13464003)(24454002)(2656002)(77156002)(62966003)(87936001)(76576001)(33656002)(122556002)(92566002)(2950100001)(2900100001)(102836002)(74316001)(46102003)(77096005)(86362001)(19580405001)(19580395003)(110136001)(50986999)(99286002)(76176999)(54356999)(3826002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; H:BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5002010)(5005006); SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; x-forefront-prvs: 05299D545B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 28 Mar 2015 19:41:41.3354 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR03MB444 Archived-At: Cc: "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2015 19:42:04 -0000 Fair enough -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoffman@vpnc.org]=20 Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:04 PM To: Mike Jones Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Mike Jones wrot= e: >=20 > s/but does not intend to publish this as an RFC/but may or may not decide= to publish use cases as an RFC/ >=20 > Let's not tie our hands whether to do this in the charter or not. Let th= e WG decide later. The purpose of an IETF WG charter is to commit to a list of work items. If = the WG wants to later add items, it can ask the IETF to revise the charter.= Thus, "may or may not" is not appropriate text for a work item in a charte= r. --Paul Hoffman From nobody Sun Mar 29 08:11:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC9E1ACCE7 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 08:11:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QhkWIv7gWtdH for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 08:11:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4133-18.mail.aliyun.com (out4133-18.mail.aliyun.com [42.120.133.18]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F29B1ACCE6 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 08:11:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alibaba-inc.com; s=default; t=1427641867; h=Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version:Content-Type; bh=JDlKxFlkP+1OLD8Rj3pk+IDeTs+PTbaGasNz6Q3+4Ec=; b=LdSfXLV8Rjb/DZFt8eQH4gj696FNejVa5pZR43hDGpFLYd4cgjorJteajknl9Z2t/zHdmwX8L1/DTG/S8uQ8b/r2BEdoDh3hglKjT19IByyh49yVX3Xk6n+UImWkzzt9kYs2p3ydFM6+ZajBKvkaPiH1RIQsaBWPQd8tnjhybAc= X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=PASS; BC=-1|-1; BR=01201311R871e4; FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=r46d02009; MF=kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com; PH=DW; RN=3; RT=3; SR=0; Received: from WS-web (kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com[101.254.22.196]) by r41g03041.xy2.aliyun.com at Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:11:03 +0800 Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 23:11:03 +0800 From: "Kepeng Li" To: "Paul Hoffman" , "Mike Jones" Message-ID: <032e4abb-fa77-40f5-b9ae-f09435ddbc91@alibaba-inc.com> X-Mailer: Alimail-Mailagent revision 2687495 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> , BY2PR03MB442FA924D39EF2EEEDE0E1FF5F70@BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com In-Reply-To: BY2PR03MB442FA924D39EF2EEEDE0E1FF5F70@BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=ALIBOUNDARY_22467_46415940_55181607_42cde" Archived-At: Cc: "cose@ietf.org" Subject: [Cose] =?utf-8?q?_Draft_COSE_charter_2015-03-29?= X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: Kepeng Li List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 15:11:16 -0000 ------=ALIBOUNDARY_22467_46415940_55181607_42cde Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for the input.Based on the discussion, now the draft charter 2015-03-29= is:# CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE)=0A=0A## Charter for Working Gr= oup=0A=0AConcise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a concise=0A= binary format for the serialization of data structured to an extended=0Aversio= n of the JSON data model. One motivation for CBOR was to make=0Athis data mode= l more amenable to constrained nodes and constrained=0Anode networks (RFC 7228= ).=0A=0AThe JOSE working group recently completed producing representations=0A= for message authentication (MACs), encryption, and digital signatures,=0Ausing= JSON representation. This working group will reuse the work=0Adone by JOSE, a= dapting it to the capabilities of CBOR. This will rely=0Aon the JOSE registrie= s, which, where this provides additional=0Aefficiency, will be expanded with a= dditional information.=0A=0AThe resulting formats will not be cryptographicall= y convertible from=0Aor to JOSE formats. This lack of a need for bit-for-bit c= ompabitility=0Awhich will enable some simplification in the adaptation process= .=0A=0AThe WG will have two deliverables:=0A- a standards-track specification = covering the same cryptographic=0Aformats from JOSE, expressed in CBOR;=0A- re= gistration for algorithms (such as AES-CCM-8) that are appropriate=0Afor const= rained environments.=0A=0AThe Working Group will use a wiki to track desired u= se cases for its work,=0Abut does not intend to publish this as an RFC.=0A=0A#= # Milestones=0A=0A* March 2015: Submit COSE specification as a WG item=0A=0A* = April 2015: Submit COSE constrained-appropriate algorithms as a WG=C2=A0item=0A= =0A* June 2015: Submit COSE specification to the IESG, for publication as=0A a= Proposed Standard=0A=0A* July 2015: Submit COSE constrained-appropriate algor= ithms to the=0A IESG, for publication as a Proposed Standard=0A=0AI will put t= he draft charter to a wiki page, so we can track changes from that.Please prov= ide further feedback about the current charter.Thanks,Kind RegardsKepeng------= ------------------------------------------------------------=0A=E5=8F=91=E4=BB= =B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9AMike Jones =0A=E5=8F=91=E9=80= =81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4=EF=BC=9A2015=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5(=E6=98=9F=E6=9C= =9F=E6=97=A5) 03:41=0A=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9APaul Hoffman =0A=E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9Acose@ietf.org =0A=E4=B8=BB=E3=80=80=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Cose] Draft COSE charter=0A=0A= Fair enough=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.= hoffman@vpnc.org] =0ASent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:04 PM=0ATo: Mike Jones=0A= Cc: cose@ietf.org=0ASubject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter=0A=0AOn Mar 28, 201= 5, at 11:52 AM, Mike Jones wrote:=0A> =0A> s/but= does not intend to publish this as an RFC/but may or may not decide to publis= h use cases as an RFC/=0A> =0A> Let's not tie our hands whether to do this in = the charter or not. Let the WG decide later.=0A=0AThe purpose of an IETF WG c= harter is to commit to a list of work items. If the WG wants to later add item= s, it can ask the IETF to revise the charter. Thus, "may or may not" is not ap= propriate text for a work item in a charter.=0A=0A--Paul Hoffman=0A=0A________= _______________________________________=0ACose mailing list=0ACose@ietf.org=0A= https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose ------=ALIBOUNDARY_22467_46415940_55181607_42cde Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the input.

Based on the discussion, now the dra= ft charter 2015-03-29 is:

# = CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE)

## Charter for Working Group<= br>
Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a concise
b= inary format for the serialization of data structured to an extended
versio= n of the JSON data model. One motivation for CBOR was to make
this data mod= el more amenable to constrained nodes and constrained
node networks (RFC 72= 28).

The JOSE working group recently completed producing representation= s
for message authentication (MACs), encryption, and digital signatures,using JSON representation. This working group will reuse the work
done by = JOSE, adapting it to the capabilities of CBOR. This will rely
on the JOSE r= egistries, which, where this provides additional
efficiency, will be expand= ed with additional information.

The resulting formats will not be crypt= ographically convertible from
or to JOSE formats. This lack of a need for b= it-for-bit compabitility
which will enable some simplification in the adapt= ation process.

The WG will have two deliverables:
- a standards-trac= k specification covering the same cryptographic
formats from JOSE, expresse= d in CBOR;
- registration for algorithms (such as AES-CCM-8) that are appro= priate
for constrained environments.

The Working Group will use a wi= ki to track desired use cases for its work,
but does not intend to publish = this as an RFC.

## Milestones

* March 2015: Submit COSE specific= ation as a WG item

* April 2015: Submit COSE constrained-appropriate al= gorithms as a WG item

* June 2015: Submit COSE specification to th= e IESG, for publication as
a Proposed Standard

* July 2015: Submit = COSE constrained-appropriate algorithms to the
IESG, for publication as a = Proposed Standard

I will p= ut the draft charter to a wiki page, so we can track changes from that.
<= div class=3D"__aliyun_signature_wrap">
Please provide further feedback about the curren= t charter.

Thanks,

Kind Regards
Kepeng

-------------------------------= -----------------------------------
=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9AMik= e Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>
=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97= =B4=EF=BC=9A2015=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8829=E6=97=A5(=E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E6=97=A5) 03= :41
=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA=EF=BC=9APaul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.= org>
=E6=8A=84=E3=80=80=E9=80=81=EF=BC=9Acose@ietf.org <cose@ietf.org= >
=E4=B8=BB=E3=80=80=E9=A2=98=EF=BC=9ARe: [Cose] Draft COSE charter
<= br>
Fair enough

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hoffman [= mailto:paul.hoffman@vpnc.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:04 PM
T= o: Mike Jones
Cc: cose@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter
On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com= > wrote:
>
> s/but does not intend to publish this as an RFC/b= ut may or may not decide to publish use cases as an RFC/
>
> Let'= s not tie our hands whether to do this in the charter or not. Let the WG deci= de later.

The purpose of an IETF WG charter is to commit to a list of w= ork items. If the WG wants to later add items, it can ask the IETF to revise t= he charter. Thus, "may or may not" is not appropriate text for a work item in = a charter.

--Paul Hoffman

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------=ALIBOUNDARY_22467_46415940_55181607_42cde-- From nobody Sun Mar 29 09:12:53 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3F291A890A for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 09:12:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mRXeiUXo15As for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 09:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-bn1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-bn1bon0797.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fc10::1:797]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EFA501A8907 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 09:12:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.145) by BY2PR03MB444.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.154) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.125.14; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:12:29 +0000 Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) by BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0125.002; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:12:29 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: Kepeng Li , Paul Hoffman Thread-Topic: [Cose] Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29 Thread-Index: AQHQajKcEPeDlxDywEaw2ZIm2CeEjJ0zoegd Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:12:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> , BY2PR03MB442FA924D39EF2EEEDE0E1FF5F70@BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com, <032e4abb-fa77-40f5-b9ae-f09435ddbc91@alibaba-inc.com> In-Reply-To: <032e4abb-fa77-40f5-b9ae-f09435ddbc91@alibaba-inc.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [166.170.43.196] authentication-results: alibaba-inc.com; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(377424004)(51704005)(377454003)(71364002)(51914003)(164054003)(5423002)(24454002)(40100003)(16236675004)(93886004)(2656002)(87936001)(76576001)(122556002)(33656002)(2950100001)(230783001)(15975445007)(2900100001)(92566002)(102836002)(106116001)(74316001)(46102003)(86612001)(77096005)(86362001)(66066001)(19580405001)(19580395003)(62966003)(77156002)(50986999)(76176999)(99286002)(54356999); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; H:BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5002010)(5005006); SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2PR03MB444; x-forefront-prvs: 0530FCB552 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BY2PR03MB4420228721C8177E325D3A6F5F60BY2PR03MB442namprd_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 29 Mar 2015 16:12:28.2978 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR03MB444 Archived-At: Cc: "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29 X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 16:12:53 -0000 --_000_BY2PR03MB4420228721C8177E325D3A6F5F60BY2PR03MB442namprd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This leaves out the statement about also doing a JWK making that Carsten ag= reed to. And this will be directly cryptographically mappable, so that in = the proposed charter would need to be scoped to only signature and encrypti= on representations but not keys or algorithms. ________________________________ From: Kepeng Li Sent: =FD3/=FD29/=FD2015 8:11 AM To: Paul Hoffman; Mike Jones Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: [Cose] Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29 Thanks for the input. Based on the discussion, now the draft charter 2015-03-29 is: # CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) ## Charter for Working Group Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a concise binary format for the serialization of data structured to an extended version of the JSON data model. One motivation for CBOR was to make this data model more amenable to constrained nodes and constrained node networks (RFC 7228). The JOSE working group recently completed producing representations for message authentication (MACs), encryption, and digital signatures, using JSON representation. This working group will reuse the work done by JOSE, adapting it to the capabilities of CBOR. This will rely on the JOSE registries, which, where this provides additional efficiency, will be expanded with additional information. The resulting formats will not be cryptographically convertible from or to JOSE formats. This lack of a need for bit-for-bit compabitility which will enable some simplification in the adaptation process. The WG will have two deliverables: - a standards-track specification covering the same cryptographic formats from JOSE, expressed in CBOR; - registration for algorithms (such as AES-CCM-8) that are appropriate for constrained environments. The Working Group will use a wiki to track desired use cases for its work, but does not intend to publish this as an RFC. ## Milestones * March 2015: Submit COSE specification as a WG item * April 2015: Submit COSE constrained-appropriate algorithms as a WG item * June 2015: Submit COSE specification to the IESG, for publication as a Proposed Standard * July 2015: Submit COSE constrained-appropriate algorithms to the IESG, for publication as a Proposed Standard I will put the draft charter to a wiki page, so we can track changes from t= hat. Please provide further feedback about the current charter. Thanks, Kind Regards Kepeng ------------------------------------------------------------------ ???:Mike Jones ????:2015?3?29?(???) 03:41 ???:Paul Hoffman ???:cose@ietf.org ???:Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter Fair enough -----Original Message----- From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoffman@vpnc.org] Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:04 PM To: Mike Jones Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Mike Jones wrot= e: > > s/but does not intend to publish this as an RFC/but may or may not decide= to publish use cases as an RFC/ > > Let's not tie our hands whether to do this in the charter or not. Let the= WG decide later. The purpose of an IETF WG charter is to commit to a list of work items. If = the WG wants to later add items, it can ask the IETF to revise the charter.= Thus, "may or may not" is not appropriate text for a work item in a charte= r. --Paul Hoffman _______________________________________________ Cose mailing list Cose@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose --_000_BY2PR03MB4420228721C8177E325D3A6F5F60BY2PR03MB442namprd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
This leaves o= ut the statement about also doing a JWK making that Carsten agreed to. = ; And this will be directly cryptographically mappable, so that in the prop= osed charter would need to be scoped to only signature and encryption representations but not keys or algorithms.<= br>
From: Kepeng Li
Sent: =FD3/= =FD29/=FD2015 8:11 AM
To: Paul Hoffman; Mike Jones
Cc: cose@ietf.org
Subject: [Cose= ]  Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29

Thanks for the input.

Based on the discussion, now the draft charter 2015-03-29 is:

# CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE)

## Charter for Working Group

Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR, RFC 7049) is a concise
binary format for the serialization of data structured to an extended
version of the JSON data model. One motivation for CBOR was to make
this data model more amenable to constrained nodes and constrained
node networks (RFC 7228).

The JOSE working group recently completed producing representations
for message authentication (MACs), encryption, and digital signatures,
using JSON representation. This working group will reuse the work
done by JOSE, adapting it to the capabilities of CBOR. This will rely
on the JOSE registries, which, where this provides additional
efficiency, will be expanded with additional information.

The resulting formats will not be cryptographically convertible from
or to JOSE formats. This lack of a need for bit-for-bit compabitility
which will enable some simplification in the adaptation process.

The WG will have two deliverables:
- a standards-track specification covering the same cryptographic
formats from JOSE, expressed in CBOR;
- registration for algorithms (such as AES-CCM-8) that are appropriate
for constrained environments.

The Working Group will use a wiki to track desired use cases for its work,<= br> but does not intend to publish this as an RFC.

## Milestones

* March 2015: Submit COSE specification as a WG item

* April 2015: Submit COSE constrained-appropriate algorithms as a WG i= tem

* June 2015: Submit COSE specification to the IESG, for publication as
a Proposed Standard

* July 2015: Submit COSE constrained-appropriate algorithms to the
IESG, for publication as a Proposed Standard

I will put the draft charter to a wiki page, so we can track changes from t= hat.

Please provide further feedback abou= t the current charter.

Thanks,

Kind Regards
Kepeng

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发件人：Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com&= gt;
发送时间：2015年3月29日(= 6143;期日) 03:41
收件人：Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org><= br> 抄　送：cose@ietf.org <cose@ietf.org>
主　题：Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter

Fair enough

-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Hoffman [mailto:paul.hoffman@vpnc.org]
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2015 12:04 PM
To: Mike Jones
Cc: cose@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter

On Mar 28, 2015, at 11:52 AM, Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>= ; wrote:
>
> s/but does not intend to publish this as an RFC/but may or may not dec= ide to publish use cases as an RFC/
>
> Let's not tie our hands whether to do this in the charter or not. Let = the WG decide later.

The purpose of an IETF WG charter is to commit to a list of work items. If = the WG wants to later add items, it can ask the IETF to revise the charter.= Thus, "may or may not" is not appropriate text for a work item i= n a charter.

--Paul Hoffman

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--_000_BY2PR03MB4420228721C8177E325D3A6F5F60BY2PR03MB442namprd_-- From nobody Sun Mar 29 12:25:58 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779DB1A873B for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:25:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.347 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.347 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TW-3LAOF68PR for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from proper.com (Opus1.Proper.COM [207.182.41.91]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA63B1A873A for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:25:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.20.30.101] (50-1-51-95.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.95]) (authenticated bits=0) by proper.com (8.15.1/8.14.9) with ESMTPSA id t2TJPnal016511 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:25:50 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from paul.hoffman@vpnc.org) X-Authentication-Warning: proper.com: Host 50-1-51-95.dsl.dynamic.fusionbroadband.com [50.1.51.95] claimed to be [10.20.30.101] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2070.6\)) From: Paul Hoffman In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 12:25:43 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <05703DA2-83EA-44B6-BC1F-DB12AD606967@vpnc.org> References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> <, > <>> To: Mike Jones X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2070.6) Archived-At: Cc: Kepeng Li , "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29 X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 19:25:57 -0000 On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Mike Jones = wrote: > This leaves out the statement about also doing a JWK making that = Carsten agreed to. And this will be directly cryptographically = mappable, so that in the proposed charter would need to be scoped to = only signature and encryption representations but not keys or = algorithms. Why should this group do a JWK mapping? As long as the project has a = structure that has the same properties as JWKs (such as those in = draft-schaad-cose-00), what is the need for an actual mapping? --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Sun Mar 29 13:47:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99FFD1A0158 for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 13:47:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z9pnACnrjB4y for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na01-by2-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-by2on0126.outbound.protection.outlook.com [207.46.100.126]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 404AB1A014B for ; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 13:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.145) by BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com (10.141.141.145) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.1.125.14; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:47:45 +0000 Received: from BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) by BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com ([10.141.141.145]) with mapi id 15.01.0125.002; Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:47:45 +0000 From: Mike Jones To: Paul Hoffman Thread-Topic: [Cose] Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29 Thread-Index: AQHQajKcEPeDlxDywEaw2ZIm2CeEjJ0zoegdgAA1/oCAABbs8Q== Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:47:45 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5515A144.5060403@tzi.org> <, > <5515D7BC.5060408@tzi.org> <5515EAA6.50109@tzi.org> <3E437B95-88E2-4C7B-8AC9-B084FB113362@vpnc.org> <,> <>> , <05703DA2-83EA-44B6-BC1F-DB12AD606967@vpnc.org> In-Reply-To: <05703DA2-83EA-44B6-BC1F-DB12AD606967@vpnc.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [166.170.43.196] authentication-results: vpnc.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none; x-microsoft-antispam: UriScan:;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:BY2PR03MB442; x-forefront-antispam-report: BMV:1; SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(5423002)(377424004)(377454003)(24454002)(102836002)(76576001)(77156002)(106116001)(87936001)(62966003)(66066001)(86612001)(93886004)(50986999)(40100003)(122556002)(46102003)(77096005)(74316001)(99286002)(92566002)(2656002)(2950100001)(110136001)(2900100001)(76176999)(16236675004)(54356999)(19580395003)(230783001)(19580405001)(19625215002)(33656002); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BY2PR03MB442; H:BY2PR03MB442.namprd03.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; MLV:sfv; LANG:en; x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-exchange-antispam-report-test: UriScan:; x-exchange-antispam-report-cfa-test: BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:(601004)(5002010)(5005006); SRVR:BY2PR03MB442; BCL:0; PCL:0; RULEID:; SRVR:BY2PR03MB442; x-forefront-prvs: 0530FCB552 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BY2PR03MB442506523730B0CB4899806F5F60BY2PR03MB442namprd_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.onmicrosoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 29 Mar 2015 20:47:45.4721 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BY2PR03MB442 Archived-At: Cc: Kepeng Li , "cose@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29 X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2015 20:47:48 -0000 --_000_BY2PR03MB442506523730B0CB4899806F5F60BY2PR03MB442namprd_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The JWK mapping needs to be defined to be able to reuse the JWK registries = in the COSE key representation. ________________________________ From: Paul Hoffman Sent: =FD3/=FD29/=FD2015 12:26 PM To: Mike Jones Cc: Kepeng Li; cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Cose] Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29 On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Mike Jones wrote= : > This leaves out the statement about also doing a JWK making that Carsten = agreed to. And this will be directly cryptographically mappable, so that i= n the proposed charter would need to be scoped to only signature and encryp= tion representations but not keys or algorithms. Why should this group do a JWK mapping? As long as the project has a struct= ure that has the same properties as JWKs (such as those in draft-schaad-cos= e-00), what is the need for an actual mapping? --Paul Hoffman --_000_BY2PR03MB442506523730B0CB4899806F5F60BY2PR03MB442namprd_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="windows-1256" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The JWK mappi= ng needs to be defined to be able to reuse the JWK registries in the COSE k= ey representation.
From: Paul Hoffman
Sent: =FD3/= =FD29/=FD2015 12:26 PM
To: Mike Jones
Cc: Kepeng Li; cose@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [= Cose]  Draft COSE charter 2015-03-29

On Mar 29, 2015, at 9:12 AM, Mike Jones <Michae= l.Jones@microsoft.com> wrote:
> This leaves out the statement about also doing a JWK making that Carst= en agreed to.  And this will be directly cryptographically mappable, s= o that in the proposed charter would need to be scoped to only signature an= d encryption representations but not keys or algorithms.

Why should this group do a JWK mapping? As long as the project has a struct= ure that has the same properties as JWKs (such as those in draft-schaad-cos= e-00), what is the need for an actual mapping?

--Paul Hoffman
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