From nobody Sat Jul 2 22:21:41 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5022412B026; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:21:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.221 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Qh--bZiu9jI; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D51312B046; Sat, 2 Jul 2016 22:21:36 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-f79486d0000069d0-45-5778a0de5c39 Received: from ESESSHC009.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.45]) by sesbmg22.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id AA.49.27088.ED0A8775; 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charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHrfVtQuFSAbwBBi6uwqP6R8DF/FZ/S8/gQ Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Cc: cose-chairs@ietf.org, cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] CBOR Object Signing and Encryption: IPR Confirmation X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2016 06:52:01 -0000 I am unaware of any IPR statements that need to be filed for this = document. > -----Original Message----- > From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of G=C3=B6ran = Selander > Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 10:22 PM > To: Jim Schaad > Cc: cose-chairs@ietf.org; cose@ietf.org > Subject: [COSE] CBOR Object Signing and Encryption: IPR Confirmation >=20 > Hi Jim, >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve been asked to be shepherd for COSE >=20 > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-14 >=20 > Could you please confirm that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures = required > for full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have = been filed? >=20 > Thanks > G=C3=B6ran >=20 > _______________________________________________ > COSE mailing list > COSE@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose From nobody Mon Jul 4 19:45:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9F7C12D0C5 for ; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I request that we discuss adoption of this specification as a working group= draft in Berlin and on the list. Thanks, -- Mike From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 12:10 PM To: cose@ietf.org Subject: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages I have published draft-jones-cose-rsa, which defines algorithm encodings an= d representations enabling RSA algorithms to be used for COSE messages. Th= is addresses COSE Issue #21: Restore RSA-PSS and the "RSA" key type. The initial version of this sp= ecification incorporates text from draft-ietf-cose-msg-05 - the last COSE m= essage specification version before the RSA algorithms were removed. The specification is available at: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 An HTML-formatted version is also available at: * http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00.html -- Mike P.S. 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I request that we disc= uss adoption of this specification as a working group draft in Berlin and o= n the list.

 

   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; Thanks,

   &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p; -- Mike

 

From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mike Jones
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 12:10 PM
To: cose@ietf.org
Subject: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages

 

I have published draft-jones-cose-rsa, which defines= algorithm encodings and representations enabling RSA algorithms to be used= for COSE messages.  This addresses COSE Issue #21= : Restore RSA-PSS and the “RSA” key type.  The initial= version of this specification incorporates text from draft-ietf-cose-msg-0= 5 – the last COSE message specification version before the RSA algorithms were removed.

 

The specification is available at:

·       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00=

 

An HTML-formatted version is also available at:=

·       http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-jones-cose-rsa= -00.html

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           -- Mike

 

P.S.  This was also posted at http://self-issued.info/?p=3D1559 and as @selfissued.

--_000_SN1PR0301MB16457DE66C24D6026009DF58F5390SN1PR0301MB1645_-- From nobody Tue Jul 5 10:58:01 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1200F12D672 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:57:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8WEapcjYntx for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp1.pacifier.net (smtp1.pacifier.net [64.255.237.171]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4136312D533 for ; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: schaad@nwlink.com) by smtp1.pacifier.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EAFFF2CA16; Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:57:54 -0700 (PDT) From: "Jim Schaad" To: "'Mike Jones'" , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 10:57:53 -0700 Message-ID: <03a001d1d6e6$c1d63c40$4582b4c0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_03A1_01D1D6AC.1578C3D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQFWOgxFdVgvAGVNlf33fDQxAfuvGQH8CCJ0oPF4G5A= Content-Language: en-us Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 17:57:59 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_03A1_01D1D6AC.1578C3D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Do we have any expectation that this would be used or are we doing it for completeness? Most small IoT devices are going to go with one algorithm and skip the concept of algorithm agility. This means that they are going to select algorithms based on: 1. How much RAM/ROM is needed? 2. How much energy is needed for computation? 3. What is the output size of the result? 4. How paranoid am I about this algorithm and the US government? I do not currently believe that they are going to care about quantum computers and the fact that EC goes to pot when they show up. Is there another environment where we think it is going to be used? Jim From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:46 PM To: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages I request that we discuss adoption of this specification as a working group draft in Berlin and on the list. Thanks, -- Mike From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 12:10 PM To: cose@ietf.org Subject: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages I have published draft-jones-cose-rsa, which defines algorithm encodings and representations enabling RSA algorithms to be used for COSE messages. This addresses COSE Issue #21 : Restore RSA-PSS and the "RSA" key type. The initial version of this specification incorporates text from draft-ietf-cose-msg-05 - the last COSE message specification version before the RSA algorithms were removed. The specification is available at: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 An HTML-formatted version is also available at: * http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00.html -- Mike P.S. This was also posted at http://self-issued.info/?p=1559 and as @selfissued . ------=_NextPart_000_03A1_01D1D6AC.1578C3D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Do we have any expectation that this would be used or = are we doing it for completeness?

 

Most small = IoT devices are going to go with one algorithm and skip the concept of = algorithm agility.  This means that they are going to select = algorithms based on:

1.      = How much RAM/ROM is needed?

2.      = How much energy is needed for = computation?

3.      = What is the output size of the = result?

4.      = How paranoid am I about this algorithm and the = US government?

 

I do not = currently believe that they are going to care about quantum computers = and the fact that EC goes to pot when they show up.

 

Is there = another environment where we think it is going to be = used?

 

Jim

 

 

From: COSE = [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike = Jones
Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:46 PM
To: = cose@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with = COSE Messages

 

I request that we discuss adoption of this = specification as a working group draft in Berlin and on the = list.

 

        &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;          = Thanks,

        &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;          -- = Mike

 

From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mike Jones
Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 = 12:10 PM
To: cose@ietf.org
Subject: = [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE = Messages

 

I have = published draft-jones-cose-rsa, which defines algorithm encodings and = representations enabling RSA algorithms to be used for COSE = messages.  This addresses COSE Issue = #21: Restore RSA-PSS and the “RSA” key type.  The = initial version of this specification incorporates text from = draft-ietf-cose-msg-05 – the last COSE message specification = version before the RSA algorithms were removed.

 

The = specification is available at:

·        = https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00

 

An = HTML-formatted version is also available at:

·        = http:/= /self-issued.info/docs/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00.html

 

         &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;           &nbs= p;            -- = Mike

 

P.S.  This was also posted at http://self-issued.info/?p=3D1= 559 and as @selfissued.

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designate permitted sender hosts) spamdiagnosticoutput: 1:99 spamdiagnosticmetadata: NSPM Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BN3PR0301MB1234C692FFF7DFBBE55AF2CCA63C0BN3PR0301MB1234_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: microsoft.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 08 Jul 2016 19:07:46.0474 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 72f988bf-86f1-41af-91ab-2d7cd011db47 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BN3PR0301MB1234 Archived-At: Subject: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2016 19:07:51 -0000 --_000_BN3PR0301MB1234C692FFF7DFBBE55AF2CCA63C0BN3PR0301MB1234_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, Microsoft has a requirement on using these algorithms Do we have any expectation that this would be used or are we doing it for completeness? Most small IoT devices are going to go with one algorithm and skip the concept of algorithm agility. This means that they are going to select algorithms based on: 1. How much RAM/ROM is needed? 2. How much energy is needed for computation? 3. What is the output size of the result? 4. How paranoid am I about this algorithm and the US government? I do not currently believe that they are going to care about quantum computers and the fact that EC goes to pot when they show up. Is there another environment where we think it is going to be used? Jim From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:46 PM To: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages I request that we discuss adoption of this specification as a working group draft in Berlin and on the list. Thanks, -- Mike From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Monday, April 4, 2016 12:10 PM To: cose@ietf.org Subject: [COSE] Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages I have published draft-jones-cose-rsa, which defines algorithm encodings an= d representations enabling RSA algorithms to be used for COSE messages. This addresses COSE Issue #21 : Restore RSA-PSS and the "RSA" key type. The initial version of this specification incorporates text from draft-ietf-cose-msg-05 - the last COSE message specification version before the RSA algorithms were removed. The specification is available at: * https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 An HTML-formatted version is also available at: * http://self-issued.info/docs/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00.html -- Mike P.S. This was also posted at http://self-issued.info/?p=3D1559 and as @selfissued . --_000_BN3PR0301MB1234C692FFF7DFBBE55AF2CCA63C0BN3PR0301MB1234_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 
Yes, Microsoft has a requirement on using these algorithms =

 
 
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I do not currently believe that they are going to care about quantum
computers and the fact that EC goes to pot when they show up.
 
 
 
Is there another environment where we think it is going to be used?
 
 
 
Jim
 
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Monday, July 04, 2016 7:46 PM
To: cose@ietf.org
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@selfissued <https://twitter.com/selfissued> .


 
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X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 21:48:37 -0000 I think from reading https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-14#section-12.4.1 that ECDH-ES is supposed to authenticate the sender, i.e. that successfully decrypting an ECDH-ES message also authenticates it. For example, Table 19 lists a label for a sender's static key for use with ECDH-ES, which would be meaningless if ECDH-ES was supposed to be anonymous. Given that, I don't see how the sender's static key is included in the key derivation. I would have expected something like the input keying material to HKDF to be ECDH(sender-static, receiver-static) ++ ECDH(sender-ephemeral, receiver-static). That would give one-way forward secrecy and would authenticate the message w.r.t the sender's static key (*) There are many words, so it's very possible that I missed something, so I also looked at https://github.com/cose-wg/cose-implementations/blob/master/csharp/COSE/EncryptMessage.cs#L1529 and I only see a single ECDH operation in there. Is it that I misunderstood the aim and that ECDH-ES is sender-anonymous? If not, how does the sender show possession of their static key? (* Modulo key-compromise impersonation.) Cheers AGL -- Adam Langley agl@imperialviolet.org https://www.imperialviolet.org From nobody Sat Jul 9 15:41:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F67412B01D for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:41:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RvG-7dClemtL for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61D4812B00A for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:41:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (192.168.1.155) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:47:07 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Adam Langley' , References: In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 15:40:43 -0700 Message-ID: <02af01d1da32$ef633010$ce299030$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHB4LOdKNvcEPmwYIraQkf3A5syQaAwotAQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.155] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 22:41:12 -0000 I need to find out where you went wrong, but that is not the intent. Note that there is both an ECDH-ES and an ECDH-SS version in the table. One uses the ephemeral key and one uses the static key for doing the key agreement. The paragraph that discusses these options is the "Ephemeral-static or static-static" bullet above the table. There is a small number of common ECDH routines because, modulo how to find the second key, the processing is the same. If you can identify where you got confused, please let me know so I can look at doing clarifications. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Langley > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 2:49 PM > To: cose@ietf.org > Subject: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. > > I think from reading > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-14#section-12.4.1 that ECDH-ES > is supposed to authenticate the sender, i.e. that successfully decrypting an > ECDH-ES message also authenticates it. For example, Table 19 lists a label for a > sender's static key for use with ECDH-ES, which would be meaningless if ECDH- > ES was supposed to be anonymous. > > Given that, I don't see how the sender's static key is included in the key > derivation. I would have expected something like the input keying material to > HKDF to be ECDH(sender-static, receiver-static) ++ ECDH(sender-ephemeral, > receiver-static). That would give one-way forward secrecy and would > authenticate the message w.r.t the sender's static key (*) > > There are many words, so it's very possible that I missed something, so I also > looked at > https://github.com/cose-wg/cose- > implementations/blob/master/csharp/COSE/EncryptMessage.cs#L1529 > and I only see a single ECDH operation in there. > > Is it that I misunderstood the aim and that ECDH-ES is sender-anonymous? If > not, how does the sender show possession of their static key? > > (* Modulo key-compromise impersonation.) > > > Cheers > > AGL > > -- > Adam Langley agl@imperialviolet.org https://www.imperialviolet.org > > _______________________________________________ > COSE mailing list > COSE@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose From nobody Sat Jul 9 16:37:39 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5103812B028 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:37:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YgPphRXj3FKp for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x22f.google.com (mail-qk0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5AFAA12B004 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:37:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id 82so65028688qko.3 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 16:37:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=Nxdy+FX5hgf0YYIIGokibahJ0NyKyzs3e7GwqYr+0GE=; b=IUNwwFfVTtj7gtz0OVBixAEoFGFB5r8/W5qsmcKRAKdm/B2nuJypIIXr5nglhljgxL fzKNYVjKY0JBbxdmKaG+KebPaGr0wFOUkhu0KdvbwJdNTJejwf+v310njXBIe29IpEZl Zd9jYecPOaBOypdmM6F540M/0EKrmyTdDy8e7DSyJzaAqOmHEv3pLJFq1EHL3LZcv0PW ToeqN2GRt+u+/3Y+Q5whFOPln5R1Wyfx6WBVcaEUrDEFUXcPMDXBiWmuT4v3F8fHSy8F nn252rO0RNsA+Bn9wsYLHgTQFTmTX+IfKvhk6fTiekDffsohkhCDRicnuPvF3y/zyey2 PCbQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Nxdy+FX5hgf0YYIIGokibahJ0NyKyzs3e7GwqYr+0GE=; b=S5LgcsJosjuzo5hSxEJgG1OQisQ12w0QfjiZJhKHaaHAGu9Z8blRdS2+SzkWgZy87X mjyTsBf1mmjCi/83TCSikUzCcgO7ShOrN5dLHDrW6wyDCKZU4LE+ND6E2josCN6/IgAq fkg2zfb63m0rOFHge4oaCzl3leTyxvqpPtVP8WxgirQy/5v7ftEPEyIaZJnrFhP2G/zY qXs8rkTlCqzex+1OHd/Gwmv1OiFNDIv9x1gNcoAuKOfM3VxXbNgRQSQ74ajC06PqM12z z/75Vx607QyQjObyQnSh31JRGOotMLR/sftNXuz2nGPVwQuwYotV1+gn1J+g2czOB8pI sm6Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKqykxMbRohK8zan8TfP12kgOWIHPulwBEtmmbWZiZnhPk1DA/HArQHrcpul+cQTanAgcMjzg74sRL+mg== X-Received: by 10.55.138.67 with SMTP id m64mr15607826qkd.78.1468107454437; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 16:37:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: alangley@gmail.com Received: by 10.200.36.234 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:37:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <02af01d1da32$ef633010$ce299030$@augustcellars.com> References: <02af01d1da32$ef633010$ce299030$@augustcellars.com> From: Adam Langley Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 16:37:33 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: fPz2Aj_G6wxIzNGYwA1oe1zVqO0 Message-ID: To: Jim Schaad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Jul 2016 23:37:37 -0000 On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > I need to find out where you went wrong, but that is not the intent. > > Note that there is both an ECDH-ES and an ECDH-SS version in the table. One > uses the ephemeral key and one uses the static key for doing the key > agreement. The paragraph that discusses these options is the > "Ephemeral-static or static-static" bullet above the table. > > There is a small number of common ECDH routines because, modulo how to find > the second key, the processing is the same. > > If you can identify where you got confused, please let me know so I can look > at doing clarifications. Thank you for the clarification. I came into the document expecting ECDH-ES to bind a sender's static key (i.e. in the style of 6.2.1 of NIST SP 800-56A: http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/toolkit/documents/SP800-56Arev1_3-8-07.pdf), so the fault might well be entirely my own. There's much discussion of a sender static key in that area of the document, which fed my incorrect assumption, and there's the label -2 in table 19, which is defined as the sender's static key for ECDH-ES. Should that be for ECDH-SS, or is it a "return address" for the recipient in the case of ECDH-ES? I'm not sure that anything needs to change in the document, but would the expected structure for a sender-authenticated, one-way forward-secure message be an ECDH-ES message encrypted in an ECDH-SS message? Cheers AGL From nobody Sat Jul 9 17:12:35 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8224712D144 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:12:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mMoupZZjUxsv for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8E05E12D5AB for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:12:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (192.168.1.155) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:18:28 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Adam Langley' References: <02af01d1da32$ef633010$ce299030$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:12:04 -0700 Message-ID: <02b701d1da3f$b224b540$166e1fc0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHB4LOdKNvcEPmwYIraQkf3A5syQQG1s2B1Ab7OpnugFRi8AA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.155] Archived-At: Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:12:34 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Langley > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 4:38 PM > To: Jim Schaad > Cc: cose@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > > I need to find out where you went wrong, but that is not the intent. > > > > Note that there is both an ECDH-ES and an ECDH-SS version in the > > table. One uses the ephemeral key and one uses the static key for doing the > key > > agreement. The paragraph that discusses these options is the > > "Ephemeral-static or static-static" bullet above the table. > > > > There is a small number of common ECDH routines because, modulo how to > > find the second key, the processing is the same. > > > > If you can identify where you got confused, please let me know so I > > can look at doing clarifications. > > Thank you for the clarification. > > I came into the document expecting ECDH-ES to bind a sender's static key (i.e. in > the style of 6.2.1 of NIST SP 800-56A: > http://csrc.nist.gov/groups/ST/toolkit/documents/SP800-56Arev1_3-8-07.pdf), > so the fault might well be entirely my own. There's much discussion of a sender > static key in that area of the document, which fed my incorrect assumption, and > there's the label -2 in table 19, which is defined as the sender's static key for > ECDH-ES. Should that be for ECDH-SS, or is it a "return address" for the recipient > in the case of ECDH-ES? Now I understand exactly where you got confused. Using the NIST terminology ECDH-ES --> C(1, 1) ECDH-SS --> C(0, 2) Thus ECDH-ES should NEVER have any of the sender static fields and only have the ephemeral key field. Likewise, ECDH-SS should ONLY have one of the sender static fields and never have the ephemeral key field. > > I'm not sure that anything needs to change in the document, but would the > expected structure for a sender-authenticated, one-way forward-secure > message be an ECDH-ES message encrypted in an ECDH-SS message? It would be an ECDH-SS message. I will cogitate and see if I can come up with some clarifications. Jim > > > Cheers > > AGL > > _______________________________________________ > COSE mailing list > COSE@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose From nobody Sat Jul 9 17:22:48 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39F4B12D5C0 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3SjQ8D327hhc for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x231.google.com (mail-qk0-x231.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::231]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9BC9912D1CA for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x231.google.com with SMTP id s63so30770179qkb.2 for ; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:22:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=jKHtkvI4yWfUulf5Feg/3yQxgdRbBQXr4pknaVAyEn4=; b=kWwgsUCBdqucsE1HX3qGsWRa7QMglX1rDqsQUlMWiFJ+NlcTH0tF64dxWu1J4yC9kd sZWCvCWVhrluuiruoy77UvejMPzx+b8B1v/RGvwvj5Ej5DTcUVDgjNyzooBW1ZC9s4m7 bi5j8ZjXDJC/zBKh4H0f0J3B+KXIobZfdYe2EY5xXhmDA/sfRJOqt8wuVWu2BVG/BMcp mToxBIVU8KDVEashzWUMimR2pJBUKjS1UqlLV9i91frDrzLGRfyWf7rVSc1StKBdGbFN gN6cb9cfeHtvAuJO8YkZc1mIzrqs4Eh5jjSlQMZsg9oJurrDlpwsNp9efCK0fncDo4Ct 3Zfg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jKHtkvI4yWfUulf5Feg/3yQxgdRbBQXr4pknaVAyEn4=; b=JlRb9g2HOaO08ttPnK9flbaW99fWk1+Eq5qjq4R53WdUe12VrNxIlG0hLoaf5G0o7Q OPdsz+eRPpUpuvhO2i/dpROm0TToed+I7yWXCg0T0ekHCfEdbjHGijpJAcRBT6csgT6+ 5kbDY9S9qoJQMoEhQ+0+5KROZ3jL6TQqm9fASoAmTk/0LvDODae7gP+evIZERUDuzWFN fSLSDRzXHeE3LE9kqmmCFk4vwRD3pk9FBgRA/aKfuBt47KrCgLj1pD1QIlPINjOZX9Or VGfvsgaWjM4Hq0VZGTpMeBJJTGrQ39r2KWRYmFcgGRos5TozHwmi+OTVl3YBXJoK1nhM hA3g== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIHqmQpFvwiIZt7f4HTFjZCqOCKADzLqlIdPUnAc/Dj6f8TWBX2hjKkK6Zcq7oIAKbntWJg5oIfQU9rIA== X-Received: by 10.55.169.212 with SMTP id s203mr17569064qke.39.1468110164767; Sat, 09 Jul 2016 17:22:44 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: alangley@gmail.com Received: by 10.200.36.234 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:22:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <02b701d1da3f$b224b540$166e1fc0$@augustcellars.com> References: <02af01d1da32$ef633010$ce299030$@augustcellars.com> <02b701d1da3f$b224b540$166e1fc0$@augustcellars.com> From: Adam Langley Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:22:44 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: GFZ3nzj_Cy_m24v8Cbp898TZtHE Message-ID: To: Jim Schaad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:22:47 -0000 On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > Thus ECDH-ES should NEVER have any of the sender static fields and only have > the ephemeral key field. Likewise, ECDH-SS should ONLY have one of the > sender static fields and never have the ephemeral key field. Got it, thanks. So should the "algorithm" cell in row two of table 19 (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-14#section-12.4.1) read "ECDH-SS"? (Seeing as the sender's static key would only make sense in ECDH-SS, as I now understand it?) Cheers AGL From nobody Sat Jul 9 17:33:13 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E705212D508 for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:33:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.287 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.287 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2aD6lpwH65tG for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61EC412B01F for ; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:33:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (192.168.1.155) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:39:08 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Adam Langley' References: <02af01d1da32$ef633010$ce299030$@augustcellars.com> <02b701d1da3f$b224b540$166e1fc0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2016 17:32:44 -0700 Message-ID: <02ba01d1da42$9570f640$c052e2c0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHB4LOdKNvcEPmwYIraQkf3A5syQQG1s2B1Ab7OpnsCWHY9ZgFzIwFVn/bC2FA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.155] Archived-At: Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 00:33:12 -0000 Yes it should. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adam Langley > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:23 PM > To: Jim Schaad > Cc: cose@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. > > On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:12 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > > Thus ECDH-ES should NEVER have any of the sender static fields and > > only have the ephemeral key field. Likewise, ECDH-SS should ONLY have > > one of the sender static fields and never have the ephemeral key field. > > Got it, thanks. > > So should the "algorithm" cell in row two of table 19 > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-14#section-12.4.1) > read "ECDH-SS"? (Seeing as the sender's static key would only make sense in > ECDH-SS, as I now understand it?) > > > Cheers > > AGL > > _______________________________________________ > COSE mailing list > COSE@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose From nobody Sun Jul 10 14:37:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309FD12D08D for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:37:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.001, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tE3pieXfcfgA for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt0-x22e.google.com (mail-qt0-x22e.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::22e]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A47C912D094 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt0-x22e.google.com with SMTP id j35so8893432qtj.2 for ; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:37:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc; bh=D5vCT7PYrYLU2Ci4J+9trJ8htwj5kbn8rusyZgzMb2o=; b=BtV3TlBA+S2hy2JKE9agAdbjiSrB+xzA9cEKKaBSTpTRvCXY6z7gdXKhONPGl/U2o7 sl4Tcf5Nc9sWtSVSb7AvIso7F4kP+V4PqESJQ9pPIiuFm1nf6Q2o11Tp1ROMW4XLbzFg uPIPya0C9k1DItW31l7AQBIe105lb4+lbQ7REXCxmIcWLGnJ5tscB4V1TuEOTTGQ9z+2 hxKws0FsgiZAj5WBCuZulOtv0yzo2eKhr2pNvOUUA+U2cnzkrv6OJ34hu5fK+s/bN6+n lbgpf4Qr9lnYuKfzopfvVYz03axuS4k3TmMUAD/dRj6Kq+sFo94xKYhUFPuMI8lKrc2u qK0Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=D5vCT7PYrYLU2Ci4J+9trJ8htwj5kbn8rusyZgzMb2o=; b=GWwbwCNyJ3FOHBvYjxSQHA76mrnk5VWaKjUWg5pvOKkImy8RgPcLiepTlKnNi1+nyv qPBDUBOMEx1rZ5wTvb/tQP7KIcpIsvCewy5ib7vA2iW5qIwbQjcNyua8v15KIA94ifKT uWWmv87L+1jtgKkHnXzuoxNOpOxNhjpqXoUp+Ss1Ppz2KEQTjuU4fIUbnYkMdQV4dmOQ Ol5CFAczwqpZrf2OsxJQVnzhFMkRoYAR9ne+Km0C2VO5UquuLQWPmuNAF5Yp+VLdLBbN fNxPGV59CsIfHlX3G8vDm9FEzle1F8Zx6BUH5deL+y+jJl/ONIuI4uLITMZ9nCZir3Q/ xzNg== X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tIGmO6G8ANJ2CgemmArk7cGdsKsXK6f4GHu7x5OPzeEUvO6EPUQdJnsMazBR65QLyt4C0FZ6+4GCVK5tQ== X-Received: by 10.200.47.253 with SMTP id m58mr17207834qta.60.1468186624695; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: alangley@gmail.com Received: by 10.200.36.234 with HTTP; Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <02ba01d1da42$9570f640$c052e2c0$@augustcellars.com> References: <02af01d1da32$ef633010$ce299030$@augustcellars.com> <02b701d1da3f$b224b540$166e1fc0$@augustcellars.com> <02ba01d1da42$9570f640$c052e2c0$@augustcellars.com> From: Adam Langley Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 14:37:04 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: tvPmpWlCdP6F9h-XwHAa-wuuilA Message-ID: To: Jim Schaad Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Archived-At: Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: Re: [COSE] Binding of sender's key in ECDH-ES. X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Jul 2016 21:37:07 -0000 On Sat, Jul 9, 2016 at 5:32 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > Yes it should. Thank you, that's clear to me now. 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Please, find below some suggestions for minor changes/updates. Best regards, /Marco ---------------------------- 1) In Section 2, I would refer the usage of a COSE object as soon as possible, rather than at the end of page 5 where you describe how to prepare the protected CoAP message. For instance, the very first sentence in Section 2 can be followed by something like: "This is achieved by means of a COSE object included in the protected CoAP message, as detailed below"= . 2) In Section 2 (page 5), I would move the sentence "An endpoint receiving [...] treat it as malformed and reject it." at the end of the first element of the bullet list below, since it concerns CoAP messages with payload. 3) Following the same reasoning of point 2), I would extend the second element in the dotted list at the end of page 5 with: "An endpoint receiving a CoAP message without payload, that also contains an empty Object-Security option SHALL treat it as malformed and reject it". 4) Section 3.1, page 6, "The endpoint verifies the message received" --> "The endpoint verifies the messages received". 5) Section 5, page 13, add "(see Section 5.1)" after "is computed from the Plaintext", and "(see Section 5.2)" after "and the Additional Authenticated Data (AAD)". 6) Section 6.2, page 16, step 1. In the last sentences about renewing the security context on the client, it would be good to mention also that this involves informing the server, so that it can update its own Receiver-* parameters on its own context. 7) Section 6.2, page 16, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> "Store the MAC of each last-sent fragment". 8) Section 6.3, page 17, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> "Store the MAC of each last-received fragment". 9) Section 6.4, page 18, step 1. In the last sentences about renewing the security context on the server, it would be good to mention also that this involves informing the client, so that it can update its own Receiver-* parameters on its own context. 10) Section 6.4, page 18, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> "Store the MAC of each last-sent fragment". 11) Section 6.5, page 19, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> "Store the MAC of each last-received fragment". 12) Section 6.5, page 20, first paragraph. After the last sentence "DTLS and OSCOAP can be combined", I would restate what said in Section 1 (page 4), that is "thereby enabling end-to-end ..." 13) Section 6.5, page 20, third paragraph. "The use of COSE to protected CoAP messages" --> "The use of COSE to protect CoAP messages" On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Francesca Palombini < francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote: > Dear CoRE, COSE and ACE members, > > We have submitted an update to the OSCOAP draft: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-selander-ace-object-security-05 > > For those who don=E2=80=99t know, OSCOAP is an application layer security= protocol > for CoAP, based on wrapping request and response messages in COSE objects > which are sent in a CoAP message exchange. > > With this version, we aimed for improved readability and we added the > blockwise functionality, as discussed during last f2f meeting. > > We are now looking for reviews. Any comment or feedback would be greatly > appreciated! > > Best regards, > Francesca > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: den 7 juli 2016 18:37 > To: G=C3=B6ran Selander ; Ludwig Seitz < > ludwig@sics.se>; John Mattsson ; G=C3=B6ran > Selander ; Francesca Palombini < > francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-selander-ace-object-security-05.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-selander-ace-object-security-05.txt > has been successfully submitted by Francesca Palombini and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-selander-ace-object-security > Revision: 05 > Title: Object Security of CoAP (OSCOAP) > Document date: 2016-07-07 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 36 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-selander-ace-object-security-0= 5.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-selander-ace-object-security/ > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-selander-ace-object-security-05 > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-selander-ace-object-security-05 > > Abstract: > This memo defines Object Security of CoAP (OSCOAP), a method for > application layer protection of message exchanges with the > Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP), using the CBOR Object > Signing and Encryption (COSE) format. OSCOAP provides end-to-end > encryption, integrity and replay protection to CoAP payload, options, > and header fields, as well as a secure binding between CoAP request > and response messages. The use of OSCOAP is signaled with the CoAP > option Object-Security, also defined in this memo. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > Ace mailing list > Ace@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace > --94eb2c0b60c49284bf05375cb859 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello Francesca and all,

I have reviewed this last = version and I believe it is in a very good shape!

Please, find below= some suggestions for minor changes/updates.

Best regards,
/Marco=

----------------------------

1) In Section 2, I would refer = the usage of a COSE object as soon as possible, rather than at the end of p= age 5 where you describe how to prepare the protected CoAP message. For ins= tance, the very first sentence in Section 2 can be followed by something li= ke: "This is achieved by means of a COSE object included in the protec= ted CoAP message, as detailed below".

2) In Section 2 (page 5),= I would move the sentence "An endpoint receiving [...] treat it as ma= lformed and reject it." at the end of the first element of the bullet = list below, since it concerns CoAP messages with payload.

3) Followi= ng the same reasoning of point 2), I would extend the second element in the= dotted list at the end of page 5 with: "An endpoint receiving a CoAP = message without payload, that also contains an empty Object-Security option= SHALL treat it as malformed and reject it".

4) Section 3.1, pa= ge 6, "The endpoint verifies the message received" --> "T= he endpoint verifies the messages received".

5) Section 5, page= 13, add "(see Section 5.1)" after "is computed from the Pla= intext", and "(see Section 5.2)" after "and the Additio= nal Authenticated Data (AAD)".

6) Section 6.2, page 16, step 1.= In the last sentences about renewing the security context on the client, i= t would be good to mention also that this involves informing the server, so= that it can update its own Receiver-* parameters on its own context.
7) Section 6.2, page 16, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment&quo= t; --> "Store the MAC of each last-sent fragment".

8) S= ection 6.3, page 17, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --&= gt; "Store the MAC of each last-received fragment".

9) Sec= tion 6.4, page 18, step 1. In the last sentences about renewing the securit= y context on the server, it would be good to mention also that this involve= s informing the client, so that it can update its own Receiver-* parameters= on its own context.

10) Section 6.4, page 18, step 2. "Store t= he MAC of each fragment" --> "Store the MAC of each last-sent = fragment".

11) Section 6.5, page 19, step 2. "Store the MA= C of each fragment" --> "Store the MAC of each last-received f= ragment".

12) Section 6.5, page 20, first paragraph. After the = last sentence "DTLS and OSCOAP can be combined", I would restate = what said in Section 1 (page 4), that is "thereby enabling end-to-end = ..."

13) Section 6.5, page 20, third paragraph. "The use o= f COSE to protected CoAP messages" --> "The use of COSE to pro= tect CoAP messages"

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote:
Dear CoRE, COSE and ACE members,

We have submitted an update to the OSCOAP draft:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-s= elander-ace-object-security-05

For those who don=E2=80=99t know, OSCOAP is an application layer security p= rotocol for CoAP, based on wrapping request and response messages in COSE o= bjects which are sent in a CoAP message exchange.

With this version, we aimed for improved readability and we added the block= wise functionality, as discussed during last f2f meeting.

We are now looking for reviews. Any comment or feedback would be greatly ap= preciated!

Best regards,
Francesca

-----Original Message-----
From: internet-drafts@ietf.org<= /a> [mailto:internet-drafts@iet= f.org]
Sent: den 7 juli 2016 18:37
To: G=C3=B6ran Selander <= goran.selander@ericsson.com>; Ludwig Seitz <ludwig@sics.se>; John Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com>; G=C3=B6ran Se= lander <goran.selander@er= icsson.com>; Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-selander-ace-object-security-05= .txt


A new version of I-D, draft-selander-ace-object-security-05.txt
has been successfully submitted by Francesca Palombini and posted to the IE= TF repository.

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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This memo defines Object Security of CoAP (OSCOAP), a method f= or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0application layer protection of message exchanges with the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP), using the CBOR Object=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Signing and Encryption (COSE) format.=C2=A0 OSCOAP provides en= d-to-end
=C2=A0 =C2=A0encryption, integrity and replay protection to CoAP payload, o= ptions,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and header fields, as well as a secure binding between CoAP re= quest
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and response messages.=C2=A0 The use of OSCOAP is signaled wit= h the CoAP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0option Object-Security, also defined in this memo.




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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'd like to request 15 minutes to discuss the next steps for this draft: Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 Thanks, -- Mike --_000_SN1PR0301MB1645645B236120CB96585503F53F0SN1PR0301MB1645_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I’d like to request 15 minutes to discuss the = next steps for this draft:

 

        &nbs= p;     Using RSA Algorithms with COSE Messages

        &nbs= p;     https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00

 

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        Thanks,

        &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;           &nbs= p;            &= nbsp;        -- Mike

 

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Hi al= l,

We prepared a draft agenda for the Berlin meeting, which you can find = it here:

Please let us know if you have any suggestion or = comments to the agenda.

Kind Regards
Kepeng & Justin
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I agree with all your comments > and I think they will improve the readability of the draft. > > I just have a question for 1): > > > > We introduce the use of COSE objects already in Section 1. Introduction, > in the last paragraph of page 3 (=E2=80=9COSCOAP builds on CBOR Object Si= gning and > Encryption (COSE) =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D). Was there a reason why you wanted = it mentioned in > the Object Security option section, specifically? > I suggested that just for the sake of readability. The COSE object is introduced in Section 1, but then I thought about a reader starting directly from the actual specification in Section 2, where the COSE object "suddenly reappears" at the end of page 5, and is of course detailed only later in Section 5. This is why I believe it would be good to quickly mention again the usage of COSE objects at the beginning of Section 2, just from a high-level perspective as in the Introduction and also pointing to Section 5 for further details, so better preparing the reader for the 2-element bullet list at the end of page 5. Best regards, Marco > > > Best, > > Francesca > > > > > > *From:* Marco Tiloca [mailto:marco@sics.se] > *Sent:* den 11 juli 2016 16:11 > *To:* Francesca Palombini > *Cc:* core@ietf.org; cose@ietf.org; Ace@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Ace] FW: New Version Notification for > draft-selander-ace-object-security-05.txt > > > > Hello Francesca and all, > > I have reviewed this last version and I believe it is in a very good shap= e! > > Please, find below some suggestions for minor changes/updates. > > Best regards, > /Marco > > ---------------------------- > > 1) In Section 2, I would refer the usage of a COSE object as soon as > possible, rather than at the end of page 5 where you describe how to > prepare the protected CoAP message. For instance, the very first sentence > in Section 2 can be followed by something like: "This is achieved by mean= s > of a COSE object included in the protected CoAP message, as detailed belo= w". > > 2) In Section 2 (page 5), I would move the sentence "An endpoint receivin= g > [...] treat it as malformed and reject it." at the end of the first eleme= nt > of the bullet list below, since it concerns CoAP messages with payload. > > 3) Following the same reasoning of point 2), I would extend the second > element in the dotted list at the end of page 5 with: "An endpoint > receiving a CoAP message without payload, that also contains an empty > Object-Security option SHALL treat it as malformed and reject it". > > 4) Section 3.1, page 6, "The endpoint verifies the message received" --> > "The endpoint verifies the messages received". > > 5) Section 5, page 13, add "(see Section 5.1)" after "is computed from th= e > Plaintext", and "(see Section 5.2)" after "and the Additional Authenticat= ed > Data (AAD)". > > 6) Section 6.2, page 16, step 1. In the last sentences about renewing the > security context on the client, it would be good to mention also that thi= s > involves informing the server, so that it can update its own Receiver-* > parameters on its own context. > > 7) Section 6.2, page 16, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> > "Store the MAC of each last-sent fragment". > > 8) Section 6.3, page 17, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> > "Store the MAC of each last-received fragment". > > 9) Section 6.4, page 18, step 1. In the last sentences about renewing the > security context on the server, it would be good to mention also that thi= s > involves informing the client, so that it can update its own Receiver-* > parameters on its own context. > > 10) Section 6.4, page 18, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> > "Store the MAC of each last-sent fragment". > > 11) Section 6.5, page 19, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment" --> > "Store the MAC of each last-received fragment". > > 12) Section 6.5, page 20, first paragraph. After the last sentence "DTLS > and OSCOAP can be combined", I would restate what said in Section 1 (page > 4), that is "thereby enabling end-to-end ..." > > 13) Section 6.5, page 20, third paragraph. "The use of COSE to protected > CoAP messages" --> "The use of COSE to protect CoAP messages" > > > > On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Francesca Palombini < > francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote: > > Dear CoRE, COSE and ACE members, > > We have submitted an update to the OSCOAP draft: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-selander-ace-object-security-05 > > For those who don=E2=80=99t know, OSCOAP is an application layer security= protocol > for CoAP, based on wrapping request and response messages in COSE objects > which are sent in a CoAP message exchange. > > With this version, we aimed for improved readability and we added the > blockwise functionality, as discussed during last f2f meeting. > > We are now looking for reviews. Any comment or feedback would be greatly > appreciated! > > Best regards, > Francesca > > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: den 7 juli 2016 18:37 > To: G=C3=B6ran Selander ; Ludwig Seitz < > ludwig@sics.se>; John Mattsson ; G=C3=B6ran > Selander ; Francesca Palombini < > francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> > Subject: New Version Notification for > draft-selander-ace-object-security-05.txt > > > A new version of I-D, draft-selander-ace-object-security-05.txt > has been successfully submitted by Francesca Palombini and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-selander-ace-object-security > Revision: 05 > Title: Object Security of CoAP (OSCOAP) > Document date: 2016-07-07 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 36 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-selander-ace-object-security-0= 5.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-selander-ace-object-security/ > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-selander-ace-object-security-05 > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-selander-ace-object-security-05 > > Abstract: > This memo defines Object Security of CoAP (OSCOAP), a method for > application layer protection of message exchanges with the > Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP), using the CBOR Object > Signing and Encryption (COSE) format. OSCOAP provides end-to-end > encryption, integrity and replay protection to CoAP payload, options, > and header fields, as well as a secure binding between CoAP request > and response messages. The use of OSCOAP is signaled with the CoAP > option Object-Security, also defined in this memo. > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > _______________________________________________ > Ace mailing list > Ace@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ace > > > --001a1145037e09495805376cdc89 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Francesca,

On Tue, Jul 12, 2016 at 10:14 AM, Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote:

Hi Marco,

=C2=A0

Thank you so much for an extended review! I agree wit= h all your comments and I think they will improve the readability of the dr= aft.

I just have a question for 1):

=C2=A0

We introduce the use of COSE objects already in Secti= on 1. Introduction, in the last paragraph of page 3 (=E2=80=9COSCOAP builds= on CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) =E2=80=A6=E2=80=9D). Was there a reason why you wanted it mentioned in the Object Security option s= ection, specifically?


I suggested that just for the sake of readability. The COSE object is int= roduced in Section 1, but then I thought about a reader starting directly f= rom the actual specification in Section 2, where the COSE object "sudd= enly reappears" at the end of page 5, and is of course detailed only l= ater in Section 5.

This is why I believe it would be good to quickly= mention again the usage of COSE objects at the beginning of Section 2, jus= t from a high-level perspective as in the Introduction and also pointing to= Section 5 for further details, so better preparing the reader for the 2-el= ement bullet list at the end of page 5.

Best regards,
=
Marco
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=C2=A0

Best,

Francesca

=C2=A0

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From: Marco Tiloca [mailto:marco@sics.se]
Sent: den 11 juli 2016 16:11
To: Francesca Palombini <francesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Cc: core@ietf.org= ; cose@ietf.org;= Ace@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Ace] FW: New Version Notification for draft-selander-a= ce-object-security-05.txt

=C2=A0

Hello Francesca and all,

I have reviewed this last version and I believe it is in a very good shape!=

Please, find below some suggestions for minor changes/updates.

Best regards,
/Marco

----------------------------

1) In Section 2, I would refer the usage of a COSE object as soon as possib= le, rather than at the end of page 5 where you describe how to prepare the = protected CoAP message. For instance, the very first sentence in Section 2 = can be followed by something like: "This is achieved by means of a COSE object included in the protected= CoAP message, as detailed below".

2) In Section 2 (page 5), I would move the sentence "An endpoint recei= ving [...] treat it as malformed and reject it." at the end of the fir= st element of the bullet list below, since it concerns CoAP messages with p= ayload.

3) Following the same reasoning of point 2), I would extend the second elem= ent in the dotted list at the end of page 5 with: "An endpoint receivi= ng a CoAP message without payload, that also contains an empty Object-Secur= ity option SHALL treat it as malformed and reject it".

4) Section 3.1, page 6, "The endpoint verifies the message received&qu= ot; --> "The endpoint verifies the messages received".

5) Section 5, page 13, add "(see Section 5.1)" after "is com= puted from the Plaintext", and "(see Section 5.2)" after &qu= ot;and the Additional Authenticated Data (AAD)".

6) Section 6.2, page 16, step 1. In the last sentences about renewing the s= ecurity context on the client, it would be good to mention also that this i= nvolves informing the server, so that it can update its own Receiver-* para= meters on its own context.

7) Section 6.2, page 16, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment"= --> "Store the MAC of each last-sent fragment".

8) Section 6.3, page 17, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment"= --> "Store the MAC of each last-received fragment".

9) Section 6.4, page 18, step 1. In the last sentences about renewing the s= ecurity context on the server, it would be good to mention also that this i= nvolves informing the client, so that it can update its own Receiver-* para= meters on its own context.

10) Section 6.4, page 18, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment"= ; --> "Store the MAC of each last-sent fragment".

11) Section 6.5, page 19, step 2. "Store the MAC of each fragment"= ; --> "Store the MAC of each last-received fragment".

12) Section 6.5, page 20, first paragraph. After the last sentence "DT= LS and OSCOAP can be combined", I would restate what said in Section 1= (page 4), that is "thereby enabling end-to-end ..."

13) Section 6.5, page 20, third paragraph. "The use of COSE to protect= ed CoAP messages" --> "The use of COSE to protect CoAP message= s"

=C2=A0

On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 9:03 AM, Francesca Palombini = <f= rancesca.palombini@ericsson.com> wrote:

Dear CoRE, COSE and ACE members,

We have submitted an update to the OSCOAP draft:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-selander-ace-object-= security-05

For those who don=E2=80=99t know, OSCOAP is an application layer security p= rotocol for CoAP, based on wrapping request and response messages in COSE o= bjects which are sent in a CoAP message exchange.

With this version, we aimed for improved readability and we added the block= wise functionality, as discussed during last f2f meeting.

We are now looking for reviews. Any comment or feedback would be greatly ap= preciated!

Best regards,
Francesca

-----Original Message-----
From: interne= t-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
Sent: den 7 juli 2016 18:37
To: G=C3=B6ran Selander <goran.selander@ericsson.com>; Ludwig Seitz <ludwig@sics.se>; Jo= hn Mattsson <john.mattsson@ericsson.com>; G=C3=B6ran Selander <goran.selander@ericsson.com>; Francesca Palombini <= ;fran= cesca.palombini@ericsson.com>
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-selander-ace-object-security-05= .txt


A new version of I-D, draft-selander-ace-object-security-05.txt
has been successfully submitted by Francesca Palombini and posted to the IE= TF repository.

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Revision:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A005
Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Object Security of CoAP (OSCOAP) Document date:=C2=A0 2016-07-07
Group:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Individual Submission
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Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://da= tatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-selander-ace-object-security/
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Diff:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-selander-ace-object-security-05

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This memo defines Object Security of CoAP (OSCOAP), a method f= or
=C2=A0 =C2=A0application layer protection of message exchanges with the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP), using the CBOR Object=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Signing and Encryption (COSE) format.=C2=A0 OSCOAP provides en= d-to-end
=C2=A0 =C2=A0encryption, integrity and replay protection to CoAP payload, o= ptions,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and header fields, as well as a secure binding between CoAP re= quest
=C2=A0 =C2=A0and response messages.=C2=A0 The use of OSCOAP is signaled wit= h the CoAP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0option Object-Security, also defined in this memo.




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with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-GCM-SHA256; 14 Jul 2016 15:43:35 +0200 Received: by mail-lf0-f51.google.com with SMTP id b199so64332846lfe.0; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tLjetIjQNFOKHsI1bc2fSEEiTxKkQ2bdsHDWiueESUORHQJaPNxOPLYKVpIMhFEKuR+r+SqBOS/EF+Aww== X-Received: by 10.46.5.213 with SMTP id 204mr6956284ljf.64.1468503815362; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:43:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.208.9 with HTTP; Thu, 14 Jul 2016 06:43:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 15:43:15 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org>, core , IETF ROLL , cose@ietf.org, lwig@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, "iot-dir@ietf.org" , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org>, "t2trg@irtf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a114a683e44263e053798b068 Archived-At: Subject: [COSE] F-Interop info session @IETF96 - Monday 8.30-9-30pm - Charlottenburg I X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2016 13:43:42 -0000 --001a114a683e44263e053798b068 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, We are organizing an information meeting about F-Interop, an online platform for remote interoperability testing, IETF96 Monday 8.30-9.30pm, in Charlottenburg I. F-Interop (www.f-interop.eu) is a platform for online and remote conformance and interoperability testing, targeted at IoT-related standards (6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN, CoAP, RPL, ...) The purpose of this info session is to give you a technical overview of the platform, describe how the IETF community can use and contribute to it, and get feedback. The platform is built as part of the 2016-2018 F-Interop H2020 European project. As part of that project, we will have an open call for entities to contribute additional tools and test descriptions to the platform. Selected projects will be funded; we will explain the process during the info session as well. Looking forward to seeing you there, Thomas --001a114a683e44263e053798b068 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

We are organizing an in= formation meeting about F-Interop, an online platform for remote interopera= bility testing, IETF96 Monday 8.30-9.30pm, in Charlottenburg I.
<= br>
F-Interop (www.f-interop.= eu) is a platform for online and remote conformance and interoperabilit= y testing, targeted at IoT-related standards (6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN, CoAP, RPL, .= ..)

The purpose of this info session is to give yo= u a technical overview of the platform, describe how the IETF community can= use and contribute to it, and get feedback.

The p= latform is built as part of the 2016-2018 F-Interop H2020 European project.= As part of that project, we will have an open call for entities to contrib= ute additional tools and test descriptions to the platform. Selected projec= ts will be funded; we will explain the process during the info session as w= ell.

Looking forward to seeing you there,

Thomas
--001a114a683e44263e053798b068-- From nobody Sun Jul 17 08:30:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 248BF12B03A; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:29:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.186 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 38jz0zARf_fU; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:29:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr (mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.83]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 993F712B010; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:22:44 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,379,1464645600"; d="scan'208,217";a="226929634" Received: from mail-lf0-f48.google.com ([209.85.215.48]) by mail2-relais-roc.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-GCM-SHA256; 17 Jul 2016 17:22:42 +0200 Received: by mail-lf0-f48.google.com with SMTP id g62so6642641lfe.3; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:22:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tJCAybCiUqhxkJBDTQPZ60FqKtV+g2hqRKQvEmE6Q5YIK3wxX/2n7776ezdqgMalLvn6PUo3qE73to5EA== X-Received: by 10.25.37.208 with SMTP id l199mr552324lfl.41.1468768961444; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:22:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.208.9 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Jul 2016 08:22:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 17:22:21 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org>, core , IETF ROLL , cose@ietf.org, lwig@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, "iot-dir@ietf.org" , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org>, "t2trg@irtf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11410ed43443780537d66cea Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] F-Interop info session @IETF96 - Monday 8.30-9-30pm - Charlottenburg I X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Jul 2016 15:29:46 -0000 --001a11410ed43443780537d66cea Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, Please note that the info session is in the EVENING, i.e. 20.30. Some people got confused. Also, the Meetecho team is arranging for remote participation [1] to be possible, thanks to them! Thomas [1] http://ietf96.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Remote_Participation On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Thomas Watteyne wrote: > All, > > We are organizing an information meeting about F-Interop, an online > platform for remote interoperability testing, IETF96 Monday 8.30-9.30pm, in > Charlottenburg I. > > F-Interop (www.f-interop.eu) is a platform for online and remote > conformance and interoperability testing, targeted at IoT-related standards > (6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN, CoAP, RPL, ...) > > The purpose of this info session is to give you a technical overview of > the platform, describe how the IETF community can use and contribute to it, > and get feedback. > > The platform is built as part of the 2016-2018 F-Interop H2020 European > project. As part of that project, we will have an open call for entities to > contribute additional tools and test descriptions to the platform. Selected > projects will be funded; we will explain the process during the info > session as well. > > Looking forward to seeing you there, > > Thomas > -- _______________________________________ Thomas Watteyne, PhD Research Scientist & Innovator, Inria Sr Networking Design Eng, Linear Tech Founder & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH www.thomaswatteyne.com _______________________________________ --001a11410ed43443780537d66cea Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

Please note that the info session = is in the EVENING, i.e. 20.30. Some people got confused.

Also, the Meetecho team is arranging for remote participation [1] to= be possible, thanks to them!

Thomas

On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Thomas Watteyne &= lt;thomas.wat= teyne@inria.fr> wrote:
All,

We are organizing an inform= ation meeting about F-Interop, an online platform for remote interoperabili= ty testing, IETF96 Monday 8.30-9.30pm, in Charlottenburg I.

<= /div>
F-Interop (= www.f-interop.eu) is a platform for online and remote conformance and i= nteroperability testing, targeted at IoT-related standards (6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN= , CoAP, RPL, ...)

The purpose of this info session= is to give you a technical overview of the platform, describe how the IETF= community can use and contribute to it, and get feedback.

The platform is built as part of the 2016-2018 F-Interop H2020 Eur= opean project. As part of that project, we will have an open call for entit= ies to contribute additional tools and test descriptions to the platform. S= elected projects will be funded; we will explain the process during the inf= o session as well.

Looking forward to seeing you t= here,

Thomas



--
_______________________________________

<= div style=3D"font-size:small">Thomas Wa= tteyne, PhD
Research Scientist & Innovator, Inria
Sr Networking= Design Eng, Linear Tech
Founder & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN
Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH

_______________________= ________________
--001a11410ed43443780537d66cea-- From nobody Wed Jul 20 08:01:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2437712D92F; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:01:37 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.186 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6VF2h56sI2U2; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:01:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr (mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr [192.134.164.104]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 834B612D90D; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:01:31 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,394,1464645600"; d="scan'208,217";a="185362659" Received: from mail-lf0-f44.google.com ([209.85.215.44]) by mail3-relais-sop.national.inria.fr with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-GCM-SHA256; 20 Jul 2016 17:01:29 +0200 Received: by mail-lf0-f44.google.com with SMTP id f93so40344697lfi.2; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:01:29 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: ALyK8tKLWyojbkuuysV0NbVg/YCIS21VEy40WjMGeK6CzBqSzxLxbTA1gFcFSYptbxXHKZeCZ7u6mYsfFOXH6w== X-Received: by 10.25.37.208 with SMTP id l199mr7827548lfl.41.1469026888797; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:01:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.208.9 with HTTP; Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:01:09 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Thomas Watteyne Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 17:01:09 +0200 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: "6lo@ietf.org" <6lo@ietf.org>, core , IETF ROLL , cose@ietf.org, lp-wan@ietf.org, "iot-dir@ietf.org" , "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org>, "t2trg@irtf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11410ed4df55e40538127963 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] F-Interop info session @IETF96 - Monday 8.30-9-30pm - Charlottenburg I X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 15:01:37 -0000 --001a11410ed4df55e40538127963 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 All, Thanks for attending the F-Interop info session on Monday evening. As promised, you will find the slides at http://www.finterop.eu/images/presentations/F-Interop_IETF96.pdf. Thomas On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Watteyne wrote: > All, > > Please note that the info session is in the EVENING, i.e. 20.30. Some > people got confused. > > Also, the Meetecho team is arranging for remote participation [1] to be > possible, thanks to them! > > Thomas > > [1] http://ietf96.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Remote_Participation > > On Thu, Jul 14, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Thomas Watteyne > wrote: > >> All, >> >> We are organizing an information meeting about F-Interop, an online >> platform for remote interoperability testing, IETF96 Monday 8.30-9.30pm, in >> Charlottenburg I. >> >> F-Interop (www.f-interop.eu) is a platform for online and remote >> conformance and interoperability testing, targeted at IoT-related standards >> (6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN, CoAP, RPL, ...) >> >> The purpose of this info session is to give you a technical overview of >> the platform, describe how the IETF community can use and contribute to it, >> and get feedback. >> >> The platform is built as part of the 2016-2018 F-Interop H2020 European >> project. As part of that project, we will have an open call for entities to >> contribute additional tools and test descriptions to the platform. Selected >> projects will be funded; we will explain the process during the info >> session as well. >> >> Looking forward to seeing you there, >> >> Thomas >> > > > > -- > _______________________________________ > > Thomas Watteyne, PhD > Research Scientist & Innovator, Inria > Sr Networking Design Eng, Linear Tech > Founder & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN > Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH > > www.thomaswatteyne.com > _______________________________________ > -- _______________________________________ Thomas Watteyne, PhD Research Scientist & Innovator, Inria Sr Networking Design Eng, Linear Tech Founder & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH www.thomaswatteyne.com _______________________________________ --001a11410ed4df55e40538127963 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
All,

Thanks for attending the F-Interop= info session on Monday evening. As promised, you will find the slides at= =C2=A0http://www.finterop.eu/images/presentations/F-Interop_IETF96.pdf.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:22 PM, Thomas Wattey= ne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr> wrote:
All,

Please note that= the info session is in the EVENING, i.e. 20.30. Some people got confused.<= /div>

Also, the Meetecho team is arranging for remote pa= rticipation [1] to be possible, thanks to them!

Th= omas


On Thu, J= ul 14, 2016 at 3:43 PM, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr> wrote:
All,

We are organizing an information meeting ab= out F-Interop, an online platform for remote interoperability testing, IETF= 96 Monday 8.30-9.30pm, in Charlottenburg I.

F-Inte= rop (www.f-interop.eu= ) is a platform for online and remote conformance and interoperability = testing, targeted at IoT-related standards (6TiSCH, 6LoWPAN, CoAP, RPL, ...= )

The purpose of this info session is to give you = a technical overview of the platform, describe how the IETF community can u= se and contribute to it, and get feedback.

The pla= tform is built as part of the 2016-2018 F-Interop H2020 European project. A= s part of that project, we will have an open call for entities to contribut= e additional tools and test descriptions to the platform. Selected projects= will be funded; we will explain the process during the info session as wel= l.

Looking forward to seeing you there,
=
Thomas



--
<= div>
_______________________________________

<= div style=3D"font-size:small">Thomas Wa= tteyne, PhD
Research Scientist & Innovator, Inria
Sr Networking= Design Eng, Linear Tech
Founder & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN
Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH

_______________________= ________________


--
_______________________________________

<= div style=3D"font-size:small">Thomas Wa= tteyne, PhD
Research Scientist & Innovator, Inria
Sr Networking= Design Eng, Linear Tech
Founder & co-lead, UC Berkeley OpenWSN
Co-chair, IETF 6TiSCH

_______________________= ________________
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Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietf.org Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ADCC12D787; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:24:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160725102438.11449.74296.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:24:38 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: cose@ietf.org Subject: [COSE] I-D Action: draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:24:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CBOR Object Signing and Encryption of the IETF. Title : CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) Author : Jim Schaad Filename : draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt Pages : 116 Date : 2016-07-25 Abstract: Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) is data format designed for small code size and small message size. There is a need for the ability to have the basic security services defined for this data format. This document defines the CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) specification. This specification describes how to create and process signature, message authentication codes and encryption using CBOR for serialization. This specification additionally specifies how to represent cryptographic keys using CBOR. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cose-msg/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-15 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-cose-msg-15 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jul 25 03:32:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B74D912D799 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:32:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.188 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.188 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wn8c2VA_dP8L for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:32:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97CC312D1AD for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:32:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (24.21.96.37) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:38:00 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: References: <20160725102438.11449.58213.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20160725102438.11449.58213.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 03:31:44 -0700 Message-ID: <02c701d1e65f$bee2c7f0$3ca857d0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQJfD/NirUIgc+9EzH3j5QhNyP1GmJ8OnyNQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [24.21.96.37] Archived-At: Subject: [COSE] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 10:32:19 -0000 This draft addresses the comment from Adam, the Shepherd review comments = from G=C3=B6ran as well as a fast read over by me. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] > Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:25 AM > To: Jim Schaad > Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt has been successfully = submitted > by Jim Schaad and posted to the IETF repository. >=20 > Name: draft-ietf-cose-msg > Revision: 15 > Title: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) > Document date: 2016-07-25 > Group: cose > Pages: 116 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt > Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cose-msg/ > Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-15 > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-cose-msg-15 >=20 > Abstract: > Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) is data format designed > for small code size and small message size. There is a need for = the > ability to have the basic security services defined for this data > format. This document defines the CBOR Object Signing and = Encryption > (COSE) specification. This specification describes how to create = and > process signature, message authentication codes and encryption = using > CBOR for serialization. This specification additionally specifies > how to represent cryptographic keys using CBOR. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Jul 25 05:02:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F6912D7DA for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:02:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=alibaba-inc.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B_5tJWda1HLI for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:02:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4133-66.mail.aliyun.com (out4133-66.mail.aliyun.com [42.120.133.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6219B12D6A5 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 05:02:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alibaba-inc.com; s=default; t=1469448148; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Mime-version:Content-type; bh=rUBr9MookElA4mHvljULLrYJwstqTgbcXL18vbrKB6k=; b=YOO6pKTAnrpX1x2X2+vQtU8BpNP64TZEIMuAvueLZOQa+IpuzIbi8vvAhVLz3JFpERblll9bLZxnk+cuhCVkbF3fzhPRrxM2JJ7/yEFkCRqUK4TLitFc/ilayMj+SqkVHphEMDf7QgjDTLRAhQo0ck85kKtncCDAZY60fHdhftA= X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=PASS; BC=-1|-1; BR=01201311R171e4; FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03306; MF=kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=1; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_----543An91_1469448139; Received: from 30.10.24.219(mailfrom:kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com ip:42.120.74.107) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(127.0.0.1); Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:02:24 +0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.8.150116 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 20:02:18 +0800 From: "Kepeng Li" To: Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [COSE] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt References: <20160725102438.11449.58213.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <02c701d1e65f$bee2c7f0$3ca857d0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: <02c701d1e65f$bee2c7f0$3ca857d0$@augustcellars.com> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 12:02:32 -0000 Hello all, Please review the latest version of the draft, and provide comments, examples and implementation feedback to the list. Thanks, Kind Regards Kepeng=20 =E5=9C=A8 25/7/16 6:31 pm=EF=BC=8C "Jim Schaad" =E5=86=99=E5=85=A5: >This draft addresses the comment from Adam, the Shepherd review comments >from G=C3=B6ran as well as a fast read over by me. > >Jim > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >> Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 3:25 AM >> To: Jim Schaad >> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt >>=20 >>=20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt has been successfully >>submitted >> by Jim Schaad and posted to the IETF repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-ietf-cose-msg >> Revision: 15 >> Title: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption (COSE) >> Document date: 2016-07-25 >> Group: cose >> Pages: 116 >> URL: =20 >>https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-cose-msg-15.txt >> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-cose-msg/ >> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-cose-msg-15 >> Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-cose-msg-15 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> Concise Binary Object Representation (CBOR) is data format designed >> for small code size and small message size. There is a need for the >> ability to have the basic security services defined for this data >> format. This document defines the CBOR Object Signing and Encryption >> (COSE) specification. This specification describes how to create and >> process signature, message authentication codes and encryption using >> CBOR for serialization. This specification additionally specifies >> how to represent cryptographic keys using CBOR. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>submission >> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat > > >_______________________________________________ >COSE mailing list >COSE@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose From nobody Mon Jul 25 08:09:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8ECA212B020 for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:09:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=alibaba-inc.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id y0tuWXVMKQFe for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from out4133-66.mail.aliyun.com (out4133-66.mail.aliyun.com [42.120.133.66]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F33C312B01C for ; Mon, 25 Jul 2016 08:09:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=alibaba-inc.com; s=default; t=1469459368; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Message-ID:Mime-version:Content-type; bh=w8YuTuPsvxiCJ/3HJFsya01xocpANWV+8veXOQNYDOw=; b=kkLy2gCECEexxEDUudlxPBHqRc/XhEEDN7MUBPHDTWsdRMJysYuZL8ichu1GZjpFDc3AgnOH0S+Ly/wxLJaM0pEjRgLgTbXu7BUKIJO24SiUQsxt0l0NEXaTr8h/kzqbtocZ0UN03x4N6ezljjoEHO72CwV/Wip6+Lp1KZR416Q= X-Alimail-AntiSpam: AC=PASS; BC=-1|-1; BR=01201311R451e4; FP=0|-1|-1|-1|0|-1|-1|-1; HT=e02c03311; MF=kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com; NM=1; PH=DS; RN=2; SR=0; TI=SMTPD_----544xKFE_1469459358; Received: from 30.39.29.223(mailfrom:kepeng.lkp@alibaba-inc.com ip:42.120.73.207) by smtp.aliyun-inc.com(127.0.0.1); Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:09:23 +0800 User-Agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.8.150116 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 23:09:19 +0800 From: "Kepeng Li" To: Ludwig Seitz , Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [COSE] Link to IETF96 meeting minutes References: <4afb2575-0e41-7ea9-19af-3aa3ee3fbd15@sics.se> In-Reply-To: <4afb2575-0e41-7ea9-19af-3aa3ee3fbd15@sics.se> Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Link to IETF96 meeting minutes X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Jul 2016 15:09:31 -0000 Hello all, Thanks to Ludwig for taking the notes. Please find the uploaded minutes here: https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/96/minutes/minutes-96-cose Please review the minutes and send us corrections if you have. Kind Regards Kepeng & Justin =E5=9C=A8 21/7/16 11:30 am=EF=BC=8C "Ludwig Seitz" =E5=86=99=E5=85=A5: >http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-96-cose >--=20 >Ludwig Seitz, PhD >SICS Swedish ICT AB >Ideon Science Park >Building Beta 2 >Scheelev=C3=A4gen 17 >SE-223 70 Lund > >Phone +46(0)70-349 92 51 >http://www.sics.se > >_______________________________________________ >COSE mailing list >COSE@ietf.org >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose From nobody Fri Jul 29 07:04:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDF212D6A8 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 07:04:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.487 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.487 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4mE2PvCQ3a3t for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu (dmz-mailsec-scanner-1.mit.edu [18.9.25.12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5341112D663 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 07:04:31 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: 1209190c-623ff70000005286-f8-579b626eb8a6 Received: from mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu ( [18.7.62.36]) (using TLS with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by (Symantec Messaging Gateway) with SMTP id A8.7E.21126.E626B975; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (outgoing-auth-1.mit.edu [18.9.28.11]) by mailhub-auth-2.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.9.2) with ESMTP id u6TE4T12005303 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:04:30 -0400 Received: from [10.36.16.144] ([38.90.135.101]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as jricher@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.8/8.12.4) with ESMTP id u6TE4S4D001881 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:04:29 -0400 From: Justin Richer Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_2068E688-57FF-429E-8C7C-9127AFB367BD" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:04:28 -0400 To: cose Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFrrMIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUixG6nopuXNDvcoKlFyGLa1qmsDoweS5b8 ZApgjOKySUnNySxLLdK3S+DKuP/vMXvBJeuK7rNzmRsYH+l2MXJySAiYSFyfPoOli5GLQ0ig jUni16utbBDOUUaJZ08XsYBUCQkcYJJYe0ccxGYTUJWYvqaFqYuRg4NZIEHi9kVTkLCwgLHE 8pZfTCA2r4CVxIp7F5lBbBag8omPdrGClIsISEhc2FAGUaInsWn9WyaIG2QlnpxcxDKBkWcW wtBZSKpAbGYBbYllC18zQ9iaEvu7l7NgimtIdH6byLqAkW0Vo2xKbpVubmJmTnFqsm5xcmJe XmqRrqFebmaJXmpK6SZGUNhxSvLsYDzzxusQowAHoxIP7wzpWeFCrIllxZW5hxglOZiURHkX rAAK8SXlp1RmJBZnxBeV5qQWH2KU4GBWEuH9mzA7XIg3JbGyKrUoHyYlzcGiJM67/Vt7uJBA emJJanZqakFqEUxWhoNDSYJ3C0ijYFFqempFWmZOCUKaiYMTZDgP0PBAsOHFBYm5xZnpEPlT jIpS4rzP44ESAiCJjNI8uF5QWlCLak99xSgO9Iowb3IiUBUPMKXAdb8CGswENLg4dgbI4JJE hJRUA+OVHvZ5r94KndnqMkfEeu78E5LLbtt9vR7Cpfsq6K6UiJaEjp+46W/tN2+kGCaKSJxZ XSta0nn30rxPTGqfkpbcf33hvTIju8iBdykvffqC9luriv4QfO/v1Pbm1ZdE8/XfGps7VNNb NifsV85UqvrVJaq16/v96Lptb5Z6TFGanq+2yni11xslluKMREMt5qLiRABdeqFR5gIAAA== Archived-At: Subject: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 14:04:33 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_2068E688-57FF-429E-8C7C-9127AFB367BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hi all, hope that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in = the meeting last week, the working group is considering additional work = on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would = be published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on = its journey to RFC-land. The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working group on a = number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond with your = answers to the list. 1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework? A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document C) Yes, but not right now D) I need more information (please ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat whether this gets done or not 2) If the work is adopted, where should it be done? A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) B) In other working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a = possible option) C) I need more information (ask what you want to know) D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens 3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good starting point? A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or offer to write it = yourself) D) I need more information (ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at the AD=E2=80= =99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus call at the = end of that time period. Thank you, =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE chairs \. - - . ' _ , -`. ' _,' _,' ' ,-' _/ ' ,-' \ _/ ' ,' \ _' ' ' _\' ' , _,-' \ _________ \,_,--' \ \\_______\ \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\ \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\________ \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----)) \ \`---------.)))\\ \ ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\ \ ||___________\\/ \\ \ ||------------\\ ejm \|| \\ --Apple-Mail=_2068E688-57FF-429E-8C7C-9127AFB367BD Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Hi all, hope that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As = discussed in the meeting last week, the working group is considering = additional work on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages = framework. These would be published in a document separate from the core = draft that is now on its journey to RFC-land.

The chairs would like to gauge the = sentiment of the working group on a number of items related to this = proposed work. Please respond with your answers to the list.


1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to = define RSA and other additional algorithms in the COSE messages = framework?

A) = Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document
B) No, = we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document
C)= Yes, but not right now
D) I need more information = (please ask what you want to know)
E) I don=E2=80=99t= give a flying rat whether this gets done or not



2) If the work is adopted, where should = it be done?

A) = Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item)
B) In other working group (please specify where; note that = ACE is a possible option)
C) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)
D) I = don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens



3) If the work is = adopted, which draft is a good starting point?

A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01
<= div class=3D"">B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or = offer to write it yourself)
D) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)
E) I = don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with




We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at = the AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus = call at the end of that time period.

Thank you,

 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, = your COSE chairs


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                  \    \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\
                   \    \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\
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                     \    \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----))
                      \    \`---------.)))\\
                       \   ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\
                        \  ||___________\\/ \\
                         \ ||------------\\
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= --Apple-Mail=_2068E688-57FF-429E-8C7C-9127AFB367BD-- From nobody Fri Jul 29 08:34:34 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A6A312D7A5 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:34:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xk4FvMtXUHmr for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:34:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45C3C12D793 for ; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (192.168.1.152) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.201) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:40:17 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Justin Richer' , 'cose' References: In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 08:34:01 -0700 Message-ID: <08f801d1e9ae$a38308b0$ea891a10$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_08F9_01D1E973.F7262C80" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGiSpBLC8nUUGinATiuQKjdphKgt6COx59g Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [192.168.1.152] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 15:34:32 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_08F9_01D1E973.F7262C80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin Richer Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:04 AM To: cose Subject: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Hi all, hope that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in = the meeting last week, the working group is considering additional work = on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would = be published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on = its journey to RFC-land. =20 The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working group on a = number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond with your = answers to the list. =20 =20 1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework? =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document C) Yes, but not right now D) I need more information (please ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat whether this gets done or not =20 D) I need to have use cases for why these algorithms are needed and not = other algorithms. What is the use case for doing RSA? I am also = interested in having some time pass and let us see what other algorithms = might need to be added because they are not currently supported. I am = not in favor of doing things for completeness in general. =20 =20 2) If the work is adopted, where should it be done? =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) B) In other working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a = possible option) C) I need more information (ask what you want to know) D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens =20 D) Don=E2=80=99t care. =20 =20 3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good starting point? =20 A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or offer to write it = yourself) D) I need more information (ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with =20 =20 E) Don=E2=80=99t care. =20 We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at the = AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus call = at the end of that time period. =20 Thank you, =20 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE chairs =20 =20 \. - - . 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From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin = Richer
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:04 AM
To: cose = <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and = alternative algorithms

 

Hi all, hope = that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in the meeting = last week, the working group is considering additional work on RSA and = other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would be = published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on its = journey to RFC-land.

 

The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the = working group on a number of items related to this proposed work. Please = respond with your answers to the list.

 

 

1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile = to define RSA and other additional algorithms in the COSE messages = framework?

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs = document

B) No, we = shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs = document

C) Yes, but not = right now

D) I need more = information (please ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat whether this gets done or = not

 

D) I need to = have use cases for why these algorithms are needed and not other = algorithms.=C2=A0 What is the use case for doing RSA?=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am = also interested in having some time pass and let us see what other = algorithms might need to be added because they are not currently = supported.=C2=A0 I am not in favor of doing things for completeness in = general.

 

 

2) If the work is adopted, where should it be = done?

 

A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for = this item)

B) In other = working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a possible = option)

C) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)

D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this = happens

 

D) = Don=E2=80=99t care.

 

 

3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good = starting point?

 

C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or = offer to write it yourself)

D) I need more information (ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat which document we start = with

 

 

E) Don=E2=80=99t care.

 

We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two = weeks at the AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a = consensus call at the end of that time = period.

 

Thank you,

 

 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE = chairs

 

 

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Maybe a bit long (feels like a mountain to climb) before starting to work with it. However well done Jim and all others that has contributed. I like the combination of prose and CDDL, it is great to have the same thing described in two ways. If it=C2=B4s not to late I would like to contribute with a set of comments. =3D=3D General comments * Is it possible to link to tables it would be great not having to search form them e.g. in section 3.1. where Common COSE Headers Parameters referencing Table 2. * Encryption section, 5, was harder to read then Signing, section 4, and Mac, section 6. It felt a more mixed up, but I don=E2=80=99t have any conce= rt suggestions that would make it much better. * Is this specification registering a whole new set of algorithms? and registries? for CWT we only add mappings but keep the attributes, this is also much of the work done in the ACE framework, but when I read here it looks like you have new registries for everything. would it not be better to just have mappings here. * Without going into a deeper analysis it looks like section 7 to 9, and to some extent 10 and 11 are doing the same thing as JWA (RFC7518). Would it be possible to not duplicate things from RFC7518. I think this reflects in the new IANA registries setup too. I think it would be good if we could try to reuse more of the work gone into JOSE e.g. maybe only defining mappings for the algorithm identifiers to CBOR labels/keys.. =3D=3D Section specific comments and questions =3D=3D=3D 16.4. COSE Algorithms Registry =E2=80=9CThe initial contents of the registry can be found in Table 10, Table 9, Table 11, Table 5, Table 7, Table 8, Table 15, Table 16, Table 17, and Table 18. The specification column for all rows in that table should be this document.=E2=80=9D * It would be great with links to the different sections (see general comment about table links). =3D=3D=3D 1.1. Design changes from JOSE =E2=80=9CMACed messages have the ability to use the same set of recipient algorithms as enveloped messages for obtaining the MAC authentication key.=E2=80=9D * Why is this called out for MACed messages, is this not true for signed too? =3D=3D=3D 1.3. CBOR Grammar =E2=80=9CWe therefore describe the CBOR structures in prose.=E2=80=9D * I would prefer not to use =E2=80=98we=E2=80=99 and write something like = =E2=80=9CThe CBOR structures are therefore describe in prose.=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CThe collected CDDL can be extracted from the XML version of this document via the following XPath expression below. (Depending on the XPath evaluator one is using, it may be necessary to deal with > as an entity.)=E2=80=9D * Is the XML available for ready RFCs? I have only found it for drafts, if not this comment might not be very helpful. =3D=3D=3D 1.4. CBOR Related Terminology =E2=80=9CIn COSE, we use strings, negative integers and unsigned integers as map keys.=E2=80=9D * Feels like mix of terms with unsigned and negative integers I think it should be signed and unsigned or positive and negative integers. =E2=80=9CThe integers are used for compactness of encoding and easy comparison.=E2=80=9D * A motivation for strings would be good too since the existence of the option requires implementors to handle both (not crash if a string comes). If I remember correctly the reason was was of development/debugging. =3D=3D=3D 3. Header Parameters =E2=80=9CTwo buckets are provided for each layer:=E2=80=9D * This is the first time I see the term layer used, maybe an explanation in the terms section =E2=80=9C(With the exception of the COSE_Sign structure, the only data that needs to cross layers is the cryptographic key.)=E2=80=9D * Is the parentheses really required, I would just drop them. =E2=80=9CLabels in each of the maps MUST be unique. When processing messag= es, if a label appears multiple times, the message MUST be rejected as malformed. Applications SHOULD perform the same checks that the same label does not occur in both the protected and unprotected headers. If the message is not rejected as malformed, attributes MUST be obtained from the protected bucket before they are obtained from the unprotected bucket.=E2=80=9D * Does this mean that I can have algorithm in both protected and unprotected bucket but that the protected one takes presence? Could we not just forbid duplication over both buckets? =3D=3D=3D 3.1. Common COSE Headers Parameters * Why is some of the headers shortened (alg, crit) but not all (content type)? I would prefer if we could map as close to JOSE as possible and I would also like to avoid spaces in the names because then I can very easily do JSON input to my implementation and have it do the transformation of labels from strings to integers. When reading more I see that this applies to more sections. =E2=80=9CThis parameter MUST be present in the COSE_Signature, COSE_Sign1, COSE_Encrypt, COSE_Encrypt0, COSE_Mac, and COSE_Mac0 structures=E2=80=9D * Should it not be COSE_Sign and not COSE_Signature? =E2=80=9C(The algorithm range is -1 to -65536; the higher end is for more optional algorithm specific items.)=E2=80=9D * How does this relate to =E2=80=9CInteger labels in the range -1 to -255 c= an be omitted=E2=80=9D? * With the =E2=80=9Chigher end=E2=80=9D are you referring to -1? it seem st= range to have the more optional parameters in that end to me =E2=80=9CAs the IV is authenticated by the encryption process, it SHOULD be placed in the unprotected header bucket.=E2=80=9D * Is there a good reason for this SHOULD? why is it better to put it in the unprotected header? if I could I would put all my headers in the protected and not have to bother with the unprotected part. I would prefer the phrasing under Partial IV to be =E2=80=9CAs the IV is authenticated by the encryption process, this value can be placed in the unprotected header bucket=E2=80=9D =E2=80=9CCOSE_Sign, COSE_Sign1, COSE_Signature, COSE_Encrypt, COSE_recipient, COSE_Encrypt0, COSE_Mac and COSE_Mac0=E2=80=9D * In table 2 it says that the counter signature is one or many COSE_Signature, so it does not seem to match this statement? * When is a counter signature an encryption? =3D=3D=3D 4.4. Signing and Verification Process =E2=80=9CThe protected attributes from the body structure encoded in a bstr type. If there are no protected attributes, a bstr of length zero is used.=E2=80=9D * Or a empty map CBOR encoded, right? =3D=3D=3D 5.1. Enveloped COSE Structure * This might have been up before, but has it been considered to swap place of ciphertext and recipients so that not the full message has to be received before the CEK can be retrieved and maybe the ciphertext can be decrypted as the message is received. * I cannot se any language on the key format in the recipients structure is is always a COSE key? should the content type header be used to describe the key format? or is it implicitly known by the application context? =3D=3D=3D 5.3. Encryption Algorithm for AEAD algorithms =3D=3D=3D 5.4. Encryption algorithm for AE algorithms * Capital =E2=80=98A=E2=80=99 on algorithm or a small =E2=80=98a=E2=80=99 i= n section 5.3 headline * Heading =E2=80=9C5.4. Encryption algorithm for AE algorithms=E2=80=9D an= d =E2=80=9C5.3. Encryption Algorithm for AEAD algorithms=E2=80=9D is confusing compared to = the equivalent sections in mac and signing. 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I after reading the specification a second time = and started on a JavaScript implementation things are starting to make sens= e and I like it. Maybe a bit long (feels like a mountain to climb) before s= tarting to work with it. However well done Jim and all others that has cont= ributed. I like the combination of prose and CDDL, it is great to have the = same thing described in two ways.

If it=C2=B4s not to late I would l= ike to contribute with a set of comments.

=3D=3D General comments * Is it possible to link to tables it would be great not having to search= form them e.g. in section 3.1. where Common COSE Headers Parameters refere= ncing Table 2.

* Encryption section, 5, was harder to read then Sign= ing, section 4, and Mac, section 6. It felt a more mixed up, but I don=E2= =80=99t have any concert suggestions that would make it much better.
* Is this specification registering a whole new set of algorithms? and reg= istries? for CWT we only add mappings but keep the attributes, this is also= much of the work done in the ACE framework, but when I read here it looks = like you have new registries for everything. would it not be better to just= have mappings here.

* Without going into a deeper analysis it looks= like section 7 to 9, and to some extent 10 and 11 are doing the same thing= as JWA (RFC7518). Would it be possible to not duplicate things from RFC751= 8. I think this reflects in the new IANA registries setup too. I think it w= ould be good if we could try to reuse more of the work gone into JOSE e.g. = maybe only defining mappings for the algorithm identifiers to CBOR labels/k= eys..


=3D=3D Section specific comments and questions

=3D= =3D=3D 16.4.=C2=A0 COSE Algorithms Registry

=E2=80=9CThe initial con= tents of the registry can be found in Table 10,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Table 9, Ta= ble 11, Table 5, Table 7, Table 8, Table 15, Table 16,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 Tabl= e 17, and Table 18.=C2=A0 The specification column for all rows in
=C2= =A0=C2=A0 that table should be this document.=E2=80=9D
* It would be gre= at with links to the different sections (see general comment about table li= nks).


=3D=3D=3D 1.1.=C2=A0 Design changes from JOSE
=E2=80=9C= MACed messages have the ability to use the same set of recipient
=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 algorithms as enveloped messages for obtaining the= MAC
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 authentication key.=E2=80=9D
* Wh= y is this called out for MACed messages, is this not true for signed too?

=3D=3D=3D 1.3.=C2=A0 CBOR Grammar
=E2=80=9CWe therefore descri= be the CBOR structures in prose.=E2=80=9D
* I would prefer not to use = =E2=80=98we=E2=80=99 and write something like =E2=80=9CThe CBOR structures = are therefore describe in prose.=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=9CThe collected CDD= L can be extracted from the XML version of this
=C2=A0=C2=A0 document vi= a the following XPath expression below.=C2=A0 (Depending on the
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 XPath evaluator one is using, it may be necessary to deal with &= gt;
=C2=A0=C2=A0 as an entity.)=E2=80=9D
* Is the XML available for r= eady RFCs? I have only found it for drafts, if not this comment might not b= e very helpful.


=3D=3D=3D 1.4.=C2=A0 CBOR Related Terminology=E2=80=9CIn COSE, we use strings, negative integers and unsigned
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 integers as map keys.=E2=80=9D
* Feels like mix of terms with uns= igned and negative integers I think it should be signed and unsigned or pos= itive and negative integers.

=E2=80=9CThe integers are used for comp= actness of
=C2=A0=C2=A0 encoding and easy comparison.=E2=80=9D
* A mo= tivation for strings would be good too since the existence of the option re= quires implementors to handle both (not crash if a string comes). If I reme= mber correctly the reason was was of development/debugging.


=3D= =3D=3D 3.=C2=A0 Header Parameters
=E2=80=9CTwo buckets are provided for = each layer:=E2=80=9D
* This is the first time I see the term layer used,= maybe an explanation in the terms section

=E2=80=9C(With the except= ion of the COSE_Sign structure, the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 only data that needs to= cross layers is the cryptographic key.)=E2=80=9D
* Is the parentheses r= eally required, I would just drop them.

=E2=80=9CLabels in each of t= he maps MUST be unique.=C2=A0 When processing messages,
=C2=A0=C2=A0 if = a label appears multiple times, the message MUST be rejected as
=C2=A0= =C2=A0 malformed.=C2=A0 Applications SHOULD perform the same checks that th= e same
=C2=A0=C2=A0 label does not occur in both the protected and unpro= tected headers.
=C2=A0=C2=A0 If the message is not rejected as malformed= , attributes MUST be
=C2=A0=C2=A0 obtained from the protected bucket bef= ore they are obtained from the
=C2=A0=C2=A0 unprotected bucket.=E2=80=9D=
* Does this mean that I can have algorithm in both protected and unprot= ected bucket but that the protected one takes presence? Could we not just f= orbid duplication over both buckets?


=3D=3D=3D 3.1.=C2=A0 Common= COSE Headers Parameters
* Why is some of the headers shortened (alg, cr= it) but not all (content type)? I would prefer if we could map as close to = JOSE as possible and I would also like to avoid spaces in the names because= then I can very easily do JSON input to my implementation and have it do t= he transformation of labels from strings to integers. When reading more I s= ee that this applies to more sections.

=E2=80=9CThis parameter MUST = be present in the
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 COSE_Signature, COSE_Si= gn1, COSE_Encrypt, COSE_Encrypt0, COSE_Mac,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0 and COSE_Mac0 structures=E2=80=9D
* Should it not be COSE_Sign and n= ot COSE_Signature?


=E2=80=9C(The algorithm range is -1 to -65536= ; the higher
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 end is for= more optional algorithm specific items.)=E2=80=9D
* How does this relat= e to =E2=80=9CInteger labels in the range -1 to -255 can be omitted=E2=80= =9D?
* With the =E2=80=9Chigher end=E2=80=9D are you referring to -1? it= seem strange to have the more optional parameters in that end to me

=E2=80=9CAs the IV is authenticated by the
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 encryption process, it SHOULD be placed in the unprotected header=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bucket.=E2=80=9D
* Is there a good reaso= n for this SHOULD? why is it better to put it in the unprotected header? if= I could I would put all my headers in the protected and not have to bother= with the unprotected part. I would prefer the phrasing under Partial IV to= be =E2=80=9CAs the IV is authenticated by the encryption process, this val= ue can be placed in the unprotected header bucket=E2=80=9D

=E2=80=9C= COSE_Sign, COSE_Sign1, COSE_Signature, COSE_Encrypt,
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 COSE_recipient, COSE_Encrypt0, COSE_Mac and COSE_Mac0=E2=80=9D=
* In table 2 it says that the counter signature is one or many COSE_Sig= nature, so it does not seem to match this statement?
* When is a counter= signature an encryption?


=3D=3D=3D 4.4.=C2=A0 Signing and Verif= ication Process
=E2=80=9CThe protected attributes from the body structur= e encoded in a
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 bstr type.=C2=A0 If = there are no protected attributes, a bstr of
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 length zero is used.=E2=80=9D
* Or a empty map CBOR encoded, r= ight?


=3D=3D=3D 5.1.=C2=A0 Enveloped COSE Structure
* This mi= ght have been up before, but has it been considered to swap place of cipher= text and recipients so that not the full message has to be received before = the CEK can be retrieved and maybe the ciphertext can be decrypted as the m= essage is received.
* I cannot se any language on the key format in the = recipients structure is is always a COSE key? should the content type heade= r be used to describe the key format? or is it implicitly known by the appl= ication context?


=3D=3D=3D 5.3.=C2=A0 Encryption Algorithm for A= EAD algorithms
=3D=3D=3D 5.4.=C2=A0 Encryption algorithm for AE algorith= ms
* Capital =E2=80=98A=E2=80=99 on algorithm or a small =E2=80=98a=E2= =80=99 in section 5.3 headline

* Heading =E2=80=9C5.4.=C2=A0 Encrypt= ion algorithm for AE algorithms=E2=80=9D and =E2=80=9C5.3.=C2=A0 Encryption= Algorithm for AEAD algorithms=E2=80=9D is confusing compared to the equiva= lent sections in mac and signing. I would like theses sections to call out = that it is how to encrypt and decrypt.

=3D=3D=3D 7.=C2=A0 Key Object= s
* The CDDL example looks different, in my opinion worse, compared to t= he other earlier examples.

* Are there any examples, I found no refe= rence here.


=3D=3D=3D 7.1.=C2=A0 COSE Key Common Parameters
= =E2=80=9CIf this parameter is present in the key structure,
=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 the application MUST verify that this algorithm matches = the
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 algorithm for which the key is being = used.=E2=80=9D
* This is not reflected in Signing, Encryption and Mac se= ction, maybe it would be good to add something there too, if the relation t= o COSE_Key should be close.


=3D=3D=3D 16.=C2=A0 IANA Considerati= ons
Why is the major type included in the registry? Is it not enough wi= th the specification reference and having the definition there. In my opini= on the main goal of the registration is to avoid label collisions and and n= ot to provide more then basic information.


=3D=3D=3D 17.2.=C2=A0= COSE Testing Library
I would prefer test vectors in the specification c= ompared to this github link.


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Thread-Index: AQGiSpBLC8nUUGinATiuQKjdphKgtwJIhm3VoH/hfXA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [24.21.96.37] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:58:43 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01D1EB22.D201BE00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:27 AM To: Justin Richer ; cose Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Responses inline=E2=80=A6 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin Richer Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:04 AM To: cose > Subject: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Hi all, hope that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in = the meeting last week, the working group is considering additional work = on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would = be published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on = its journey to RFC-land. =20 The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working group on a = number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond with your = answers to the list. =20 =20 1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework? =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document C) Yes, but not right now D) I need more information (please ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat whether this gets done or not =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA document now. These are needed now. Other = algorithms can come later and be registered then. =20 2) If the work is adopted, where should it be done? =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) B) In other working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a = possible option) C) I need more information (ask what you want to know) D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) =20 3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good starting point? =20 A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or offer to write it = yourself) D) I need more information (ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with =20 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 because it already = has the numeric assignments in place and doesn=E2=80=99t have any other = algorithms besides the RSA algorithms The numeric assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of = algorithms after the fork occurred. Jim =20 =20 =20 We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at the = AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus call = at the end of that time period. =20 Thank you, =20 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE chairs =20 =20 \. - - . ' _ , -`. ' _,' _,' ' ,-' _/ ' ,-' \ _/ ' ,' \ _' ' ' _\' ' , _,-' \ _________ \,_,--' \ \\_______\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\________ \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----)) \ \`---------.)))\\ \ ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\ \ ||___________\\/ \\ \ ||------------\\ ejm \|| \\ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00AB_01D1EB22.D201BE00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike = Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:27 AM
To: = Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu>; cose = <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and = alternative algorithms

 

Responses inline=E2=80=A6

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Justin Richer
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 = 7:04 AM
To: cose <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Hi all, hope = that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in the meeting = last week, the working group is considering additional work on RSA and = other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would be = published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on its = journey to RFC-land.

 

The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the = working group on a number of items related to this proposed work. Please = respond with your answers to the list.

 

 

1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile = to define RSA and other additional algorithms in the COSE messages = framework?

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs = document

B) No, we = shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs = document

C) Yes, but not = right now

D) I need more = information (please ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat whether this gets done or = not

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA = document now.  These are needed now.  Other algorithms can = come later and be registered then.

 

2) If the work is adopted, where should it be = done?

 

A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for = this item)

B) In other = working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a possible = option)

C) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)

D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this = happens

 

A) Here in COSE = (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this = item)

 

3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good = starting point?

 

C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or = offer to write it yourself)

D) I need more information (ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat which document we start = with

 

B) Mike=E2=80=99s = draft: https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 = because it already has the numeric assignments in place and = doesn=E2=80=99t have any other algorithms besides the RSA = algorithms

The numeric = assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of algorithms after = the fork occurred.

Jim

 

 

 

We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two = weeks at the AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a = consensus call at the end of that time = period.

 

Thank you,

 

 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE = chairs

 

 

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RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a7swDj5D_s4M for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:30:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 994A312D0B9 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:30:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (24.21.96.37) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:36:22 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Mike Jones' , 'Justin Richer' , 'cose' References: <00aa01d1eb5d$7e5ee850$7b1cb8f0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 12:30:08 -0700 Message-ID: <00b601d1eb61$f4657560$dd306020$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00B7_01D1EB27.4808E750" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGiSpBLC8nUUGinATiuQKjdphKgtwJIhm3VAaQM0vICNz+vC6BhEA6g Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [24.21.96.37] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 19:30:37 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01D1EB27.4808E750 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Or better, go through the normal IANA registration process to get them =20 From: Mike Jones [mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:02 PM To: Jim Schaad ; 'Justin Richer' = ; 'cose' Subject: RE: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Thanks for the info, Jim. Since the numeric assignments are wrong, the = first thing to do for either draft would be to incorporate correct ones. =20 -- Mike =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:58 AM To: Mike Jones >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 =20 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:27 AM To: Justin Richer >; cose = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Responses inline=E2=80=A6 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin Richer Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:04 AM To: cose > Subject: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Hi all, hope that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in = the meeting last week, the working group is considering additional work = on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would = be published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on = its journey to RFC-land. =20 The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working group on a = number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond with your = answers to the list. =20 =20 1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework? =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document C) Yes, but not right now D) I need more information (please ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat whether this gets done or not =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA document now. These are needed now. Other = algorithms can come later and be registered then. =20 2) If the work is adopted, where should it be done? =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) B) In other working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a = possible option) C) I need more information (ask what you want to know) D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) =20 3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good starting point? =20 A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or offer to write it = yourself) D) I need more information (ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with =20 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 because it already = has the numeric assignments in place and doesn=E2=80=99t have any other = algorithms besides the RSA algorithms The numeric assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of = algorithms after the fork occurred. Jim =20 =20 =20 We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at the = AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus call = at the end of that time period. =20 Thank you, =20 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE chairs =20 =20 \. - - . ' _ , -`. ' _,' _,' ' ,-' _/ ' ,-' \ _/ ' ,' \ _' ' ' _\' ' , _,-' \ _________ \,_,--' \ \\_______\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\________ \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----)) \ \`---------.)))\\ \ ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\ \ ||___________\\/ \\ \ ||------------\\ ejm \|| \\ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00B7_01D1EB27.4808E750 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Or better, = go through the normal IANA registration process to get = them

 

From:<= /b> = Mike Jones [mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com]
Sent: Sunday, = July 31, 2016 12:02 PM
To: Jim Schaad = <ietf@augustcellars.com>; 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; = 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [COSE] Adoption of = RSA and alternative algorithms

 

Thanks for the info, Jim.  Since the numeric assignments are = wrong, the first thing to do for either draft would be to incorporate = correct ones.

 

            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      -- Mike

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jim Schaad
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 11:58 AM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

 

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mike Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 11:27 AM
To: Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu>; cose <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Responses inline=E2=80=A6

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Justin Richer
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 = 7:04 AM
To: cose <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Hi all, hope = that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in the meeting = last week, the working group is considering additional work on RSA and = other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would be = published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on its = journey to RFC-land.

 

The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the = working group on a number of items related to this proposed work. Please = respond with your answers to the list.

 

 

1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile = to define RSA and other additional algorithms in the COSE messages = framework?

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs = document

B) No, we = shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs = document

C) Yes, but not = right now

D) I need more = information (please ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat whether this gets done or = not

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA = document now.  These are needed now.  Other algorithms can = come later and be registered then.

 

2) If the work is adopted, where should it be = done?

 

A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for = this item)

B) In other = working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a possible = option)

C) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)

D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this = happens

 

A) Here in COSE = (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this = item)

 

3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good = starting point?

 

C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or = offer to write it yourself)

D) I need more information (ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat which document we start = with

 

B) Mike=E2=80=99s = draft: https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 = because it already has the numeric assignments in place and = doesn=E2=80=99t have any other algorithms besides the RSA = algorithms

The numeric = assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of algorithms after = the fork occurred.

Jim

 

 

 

We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two = weeks at the AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a = consensus call at the end of that time = period.

 

Thank you,

 

 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE = chairs

 

 

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Message-ID: <00c501d1eb68$23eee540$6bccafc0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGkZvOQCuSjA72aUhH7wvP5+M98TaCNoyUA Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [24.21.96.37] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] draft-ietf-cose-msg-15 review X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:14:55 -0000 First, thanks for the review comments. It is never too late until the = RFC is actually published and even then a new version can be published = to address future issues. Individual comments inline Jim From: Samuel Erdtman [mailto:samuel@erdtman.se]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:42 AM To: cose ; Jim Schaad Subject: draft-ietf-cose-msg-15 review Hi I after reading the specification a second time and started on a = JavaScript implementation things are starting to make sense and I like = it. Maybe a bit long (feels like a mountain to climb) before starting to = work with it. However well done Jim and all others that has contributed. = I like the combination of prose and CDDL, it is great to have the same = thing described in two ways. If it=C2=B4s not to late I would like to contribute with a set of = comments. =3D=3D General comments=20 * Is it possible to link to tables it would be great not having to = search form them e.g. in section 3.1. where Common COSE Headers = Parameters referencing Table 2. [JLS] I am going to assume you are looking at the HTMLized version of = the document on the IETF web site. The links that are inserted are a = function of the tool that converts the document from text to HTML rather = than a function of the source document (which does have the links in the = XML). If you look at the HTML version on the github site, then you can = get the links but will not have table numbers until a new version of = xml2rfc is released (assuming it has my bug fixes in it). Sorry, cannot = help on this issue. * Encryption section, 5, was harder to read then Signing, section 4, and = Mac, section 6. It felt a more mixed up, but I don=E2=80=99t have any = concert suggestions that would make it much better. [JLS] I have a feeling that this is because of the recursive nature of = how encryption is done. Mac does not suffer from that because all of = the recipient processing is covered in encryption. Without a specific = suggestion it is hard to figure out what to do. It will be interesting = to see if others have suggestions. * Is this specification registering a whole new set of algorithms? and = registries? for CWT we only add mappings but keep the attributes, this = is also much of the work done in the ACE framework, but when I read here = it looks like you have new registries for everything. would it not be = better to just have mappings here. [JLS] First, registries are cheap so the mere fact that we are creating = a large number of new registries is not, in and of itself, a problem. =20 * Without going into a deeper analysis it looks like section 7 to 9, and = to some extent 10 and 11 are doing the same thing as JWA (RFC7518). = Would it be possible to not duplicate things from RFC7518. I think this = reflects in the new IANA registries setup too. I think it would be good = if we could try to reuse more of the work gone into JOSE e.g. maybe only = defining mappings for the algorithm identifiers to CBOR labels/keys..=20 [JLS] I did consider re-using the JWA registries for the registries that = I created, in the end I did not for a couple of reasons. The primary = reason is that the there are some algorithms defined in the COSE = document which are not the same as are defined in JWA. The method of = going from a ECDH key agreement operation to a symmetric key is = completely different both in terms of the context structure and KDF = algorithm used to do the derivation. This would mean that one would = start getting multiple algorithms that appear to be the same but aren't = in many details. There are a couple of registries such as the Curve = Table which are going to have the same contents, but it just seemed = easier to continue making new registries rather than try and figure out = which should be duplicated and which should be separate. Going in from = the IANA web page, it is going to be easier to just find all of the COSE = registries by name if the start with the same string. =3D=3D Section specific comments and questions =3D=3D=3D 16.4. COSE Algorithms Registry =E2=80=9CThe initial contents of the registry can be found in Table 10, Table 9, Table 11, Table 5, Table 7, Table 8, Table 15, Table 16, Table 17, and Table 18. The specification column for all rows in that table should be this document.=E2=80=9D * It would be great with links to the different sections (see general = comment about table links). [JLS] See comment above. =3D=3D=3D 1.1. Design changes from JOSE =E2=80=9CMACed messages have the ability to use the same set of = recipient algorithms as enveloped messages for obtaining the MAC authentication key.=E2=80=9D * Why is this called out for MACed messages, is this not true for signed = too? [JLS] No this is not true for signed messages. For MACed messages, one = needs to convey the secret symmetric key from the sender to the = recipient in the same way that one does this for encrypted messages. = For signed messages one needs to identify a public key, there is no need = to keep that field secret. =3D=3D=3D 1.3. CBOR Grammar =E2=80=9CWe therefore describe the CBOR structures in prose.=E2=80=9D * I would prefer not to use =E2=80=98we=E2=80=99 and write something = like =E2=80=9CThe CBOR structures are therefore describe in = prose.=E2=80=9D [JLS] that is reasonable. =E2=80=9CThe collected CDDL can be extracted from the XML version of = this document via the following XPath expression below. (Depending on the XPath evaluator one is using, it may be necessary to deal with > as an entity.)=E2=80=9D * Is the XML available for ready RFCs? I have only found it for drafts, = if not this comment might not be very helpful. [JLS] This depends on where one gets the RFC and how far into the future = one looks. It is true that currently only the text is available for an = RFC on the RFC Editor web site, however if one goes through the data = tracker the XML is available. In the, hopefully not too distant future, = the RFC Editor web site is going to start having XML for RFCs as that is = becoming the official version of an RFC with HTML and other versions as = just instantiations of the XML. =3D=3D=3D 1.4. CBOR Related Terminology =E2=80=9CIn COSE, we use strings, negative integers and unsigned integers as map keys.=E2=80=9D * Feels like mix of terms with unsigned and negative integers I think it = should be signed and unsigned or positive and negative integers. [JLS] Yeah, I had the same problem with this as well. These are the = terms used by CBOR so blame them. I think the issue is that normally = unsigned integers includes zero, but positive integers do not include = zero. I don't know why they did not use signed and unsigned. =E2=80=9CThe integers are used for compactness of encoding and easy comparison.=E2=80=9D * A motivation for strings would be good too since the existence of the = option requires implementors to handle both (not crash if a string = comes). If I remember correctly the reason was was of = development/debugging. [JLS] While that would be one motivation, it is not really the = motivation that I had. I was looking for a cheap way to increase the = number of two byte labels. The requirement not to crash is no different = if the label is a string or a floating point value. This requirement is = in the next paragraph. The code to ignore string labels until we have = defined one is not really a big issue. I have added some justification = text on the github version. =3D=3D=3D 3. Header Parameters =E2=80=9CTwo buckets are provided for each layer:=E2=80=9D * This is the first time I see the term layer used, maybe an explanation = in the terms section =E2=80=9C(With the exception of the COSE_Sign structure, the only data that needs to cross layers is the cryptographic = key.)=E2=80=9D * Is the parentheses really required, I would just drop them. [JLS] Fine. =E2=80=9CLabels in each of the maps MUST be unique. When processing = messages, if a label appears multiple times, the message MUST be rejected as malformed. Applications SHOULD perform the same checks that the same label does not occur in both the protected and unprotected headers. If the message is not rejected as malformed, attributes MUST be obtained from the protected bucket before they are obtained from the unprotected bucket.=E2=80=9D * Does this mean that I can have algorithm in both protected and = unprotected bucket but that the protected one takes presence? Could we = not just forbid duplication over both buckets? [JLS] Yes that is what the text means. The reason that this is a should = rather than must is that for some people might find the checks that all = of the headers are unique to be burdensome on small devices. Providing = the alternate method of getting the same result, that is the the = protected headers win, means that we will have a consistent set of = implementations. Removal of fields from the protected headers will = cause failures to occur while adding things by middle boxes to the = unprotected headers will not cause a cryptographic failure. =3D=3D=3D 3.1. Common COSE Headers Parameters * Why is some of the headers shortened (alg, crit) but not all (content = type)? I would prefer if we could map as close to JOSE as possible and I = would also like to avoid spaces in the names because then I can very = easily do JSON input to my implementation and have it do the = transformation of labels from strings to integers. When reading more I = see that this applies to more sections. [JLS] I have kept the same names where it seemed reasonable, but used = new names where it seemed more appropriate. For 'content type', what is = defined here does not have an exact match in the JWS world. It ends up = combining some of both the 'typ' and 'ctyp' fields of JOSE. If you have = a JWT, then I have been told you put that into the 'typ' field of JWS, = but it goes into the 'content type' field of COSE. The other two = which have spaces in them do not have a counterpart in JOSE. However, = given that the string names are just for discussion purposes I am not = sure that using really short names is generally a good way to go. =E2=80=9CThis parameter MUST be present in the COSE_Signature, COSE_Sign1, COSE_Encrypt, COSE_Encrypt0, COSE_Mac, and COSE_Mac0 structures=E2=80=9D * Should it not be COSE_Sign and not COSE_Signature? [JLS] No COSE_Signature is correct. There is no algorithm field for a = COSE_Sign as the signature algorithm needs to be different for each = signer when multiple signers are on a message. =E2=80=9C(The algorithm range is -1 to -65536; the higher end is for more optional algorithm specific items.)=E2=80=9D * How does this relate to =E2=80=9CInteger labels in the range -1 to = -255 can be omitted=E2=80=9D? * With the =E2=80=9Chigher end=E2=80=9D are you referring to -1? it seem = strange to have the more optional parameters in that end to me [JLS] The intention is to say greater in absolute magnitude. If you = have a better term then please share it. Smaller and lower seem to have = the same problem as higher does. =E2=80=9CAs the IV is authenticated by the encryption process, it SHOULD be placed in the unprotected header bucket.=E2=80=9D * Is there a good reason for this SHOULD? why is it better to put it in = the unprotected header? if I could I would put all my headers in the = protected and not have to bother with the unprotected part. I would = prefer the phrasing under Partial IV to be =E2=80=9CAs the IV is = authenticated by the encryption process, this value can be placed in the = unprotected header bucket=E2=80=9D [JLS] The strengthening of this statement was made at the request of = G=C3=B6ran so he should probably respond. =20 =E2=80=9CCOSE_Sign, COSE_Sign1, COSE_Signature, COSE_Encrypt, COSE_recipient, COSE_Encrypt0, COSE_Mac and COSE_Mac0=E2=80=9D * In table 2 it says that the counter signature is one or many = COSE_Signature, so it does not seem to match this statement? * When is a counter signature an encryption? [JLS] You missed the preceding sentence "The counter signature can occur = as an unprotected attribute in any of the following structures"=20 It should have a "parameter" between "signature" and "can". =3D=3D=3D 4.4. Signing and Verification Process =E2=80=9CThe protected attributes from the body structure encoded in a bstr type. If there are no protected attributes, a bstr of length zero is used.=E2=80=9D * Or a empty map CBOR encoded, right? [JLS] No, this is a case where the fact that there are two equivalent = encodings means we must choose one of them and only use it. The same = byte stream must always be obtained regardless of which of those two = encodings are used. =3D=3D=3D 5.1. Enveloped COSE Structure * This might have been up before, but has it been considered to swap = place of ciphertext and recipients so that not the full message has to = be received before the CEK can be retrieved and maybe the ciphertext can = be decrypted as the message is received. [JLS] No that was never discussed. Given that we are focused on small = messages I don't think that it would be a big win given that it would = make the processing of the encryption structures more complicated. If = that is something that is desired, I would recommend that such an = application uses a detached content and send the COSE structure followed = by the ciphertext stream. * I cannot se any language on the key format in the recipients structure = is is always a COSE key? should the content type header be used to = describe the key format? or is it implicitly known by the application = context? [JLS] There is no format for a key, it is a binary value. You are the = second person who seem to think it should be structured content. Please = let me know what in the text made you think this as it is clearly not = sufficiently explicit. =3D=3D=3D 5.3. Encryption Algorithm for AEAD algorithms =3D=3D=3D 5.4. Encryption algorithm for AE algorithms * Capital =E2=80=98A=E2=80=99 on algorithm or a small = =E2=80=98a=E2=80=99 in section 5.3 headline [JLS] should be upper case * Heading =E2=80=9C5.4. Encryption algorithm for AE algorithms=E2=80=9D = and =E2=80=9C5.3. Encryption Algorithm for AEAD algorithms=E2=80=9D is = confusing compared to the equivalent sections in mac and signing. I = would like theses sections to call out that it is how to encrypt and = decrypt. [JLS] That makes sense =3D=3D=3D 7. Key Objects * The CDDL example looks different, in my opinion worse, compared to the = other earlier examples. [JLS] This was done in response to an earlier review where it was noted = that the strings in the CDDL and the strings in the text did not match. = Since the numbers are not the same, even though the strings are it was = deemed better to remove the strings from the CDDL than to rewrite all of = the text which would have had other problems. * Are there any examples, I found no reference here. [JLS] Added reference =3D=3D=3D 7.1. COSE Key Common Parameters =E2=80=9CIf this parameter is present in the key structure, the application MUST verify that this algorithm matches the algorithm for which the key is being used.=E2=80=9D * This is not reflected in Signing, Encryption and Mac section, maybe it = would be good to add something there too, if the relation to COSE_Key = should be close. [JLS] No I don't think it should be in those places as well. There is = no requirement that you need to be using COSE_Key objects to move keys = around. While it is easy for somethings, in other cases there are going = to be completely different methods of moving keys. Since the place one = draws keys from may not always be a COSE_Key object, I don't think that = putting this text in everywhere is the best use of space. =3D=3D=3D 16. IANA Considerations=20 Why is the major type included in the registry? Is it not enough with = the specification reference and having the definition there. In my = opinion the main goal of the registration is to avoid label collisions = and and not to provide more then basic information. [JLS] Your opinion is noted. I would prefer to have the type = information due to the fact that not all specifications are going to be = public. Having the type information will still allow for middle boxes = to check that the type is correct even if the content of the field is = not understood. =3D=3D=3D 17.2. COSE Testing Library I would prefer test vectors in the specification compared to this github = link. [JLS] You were complaining earlier about the length of the document = already. If you want a printed RFC which contains the broken out = examples then argue for that on the list, but I prefer having it outside = of the document as it makes things easier to correct if they are wrong. = Also if you look at the github link you will see that there are lot of = examples which are not in this document as it can be much more complete. Jim From nobody Sun Jul 31 13:34:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: cose@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0075512B024 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:34:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.187 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8vDmwxia9MCm for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:34:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 275F912B020 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:34:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (24.21.96.37) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:40:10 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Mike Jones' , 'Justin Richer' , 'cose' References: <00aa01d1eb5d$7e5ee850$7b1cb8f0$@augustcellars.com> <00b601d1eb61$f4657560$dd306020$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 13:33:56 -0700 Message-ID: <00c801d1eb6a$de328a90$9a979fb0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C9_01D1EB30.31D89490" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGiSpBLC8nUUGinATiuQKjdphKgtwJIhm3VAaQM0vICNz+vCwLMounIAMGU13CgRLAPQA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [24.21.96.37] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 20:34:25 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01D1EB30.31D89490 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable You misunderstand the process. The RFC editor replaces the TBDs with = the IANA assigned values just before Auth48 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:34 PM To: Jim Schaad ; 'Justin Richer' = ; 'cose' Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 The problem with this, unless I misunderstand the process, is that it = will result in an RFC containing TBD# for the assignments, rather the = actual numbers, which is less useful to developers. I think it would be = better for the RFC to contain the assigned numbers. =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:30 PM To: Mike Jones >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Or better, go through the normal IANA registration process to get them =20 From: Mike Jones [mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:02 PM To: Jim Schaad = >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: RE: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Thanks for the info, Jim. Since the numeric assignments are wrong, the = first thing to do for either draft would be to incorporate correct ones. =20 -- Mike =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:58 AM To: Mike Jones >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 =20 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:27 AM To: Justin Richer >; cose = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Responses inline=E2=80=A6 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin Richer Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:04 AM To: cose > Subject: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Hi all, hope that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in = the meeting last week, the working group is considering additional work = on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would = be published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on = its journey to RFC-land. =20 The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working group on a = number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond with your = answers to the list. =20 =20 1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework? =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document C) Yes, but not right now D) I need more information (please ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat whether this gets done or not =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA document now. These are needed now. Other = algorithms can come later and be registered then. =20 2) If the work is adopted, where should it be done? =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) B) In other working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a = possible option) C) I need more information (ask what you want to know) D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) =20 3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good starting point? =20 A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or offer to write it = yourself) D) I need more information (ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with =20 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 because it already = has the numeric assignments in place and doesn=E2=80=99t have any other = algorithms besides the RSA algorithms The numeric assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of = algorithms after the fork occurred. Jim =20 =20 =20 We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at the = AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus call = at the end of that time period. =20 Thank you, =20 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE chairs =20 =20 \. - - . ' _ , -`. ' _,' _,' ' ,-' _/ ' ,-' \ _/ ' ,' \ _' ' ' _\' ' , _,-' \ _________ \,_,--' \ \\_______\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\________ \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----)) \ \`---------.)))\\ \ ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\ \ ||___________\\/ \\ \ ||------------\\ ejm \|| \\ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00C9_01D1EB30.31D89490 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

You = misunderstand the process.=C2=A0 The RFC editor replaces the TBDs with = the IANA assigned values just before Auth48

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike = Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:34 PM
To: Jim = Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>; 'Justin Richer' = <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

The problem with this, unless I misunderstand the process, is that it = will result in an RFC containing TBD# for the assignments, rather the = actual numbers, which is less useful to developers.  I think it = would be better for the RFC to contain the assigned = numbers.

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jim Schaad
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 12:30 PM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Or better, = go through the normal IANA registration process to get = them

 

From:<= /b> = Mike Jones [mailto:Michael.Jones@microsof= t.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:02 PM
To: = Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>; = 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = RE: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Thanks for the info, Jim.  Since the numeric assignments are = wrong, the first thing to do for either draft would be to incorporate = correct ones.

 

            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      -- Mike

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jim Schaad
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 11:58 AM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

 

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mike Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 11:27 AM
To: Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu>; cose <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Responses inline=E2=80=A6

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Justin Richer
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 = 7:04 AM
To: cose <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Hi all, hope = that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in the meeting = last week, the working group is considering additional work on RSA and = other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would be = published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on its = journey to RFC-land.

 

The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the = working group on a number of items related to this proposed work. Please = respond with your answers to the list.

 

 

1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile = to define RSA and other additional algorithms in the COSE messages = framework?

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs = document

B) No, we = shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs = document

C) Yes, but not = right now

D) I need more = information (please ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat whether this gets done or = not

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA = document now.  These are needed now.  Other algorithms can = come later and be registered then.

 

2) If the work is adopted, where should it be = done?

 

A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for = this item)

B) In other = working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a possible = option)

C) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)

D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this = happens

 

A) Here in COSE = (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this = item)

 

3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good = starting point?

 

C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or = offer to write it yourself)

D) I need more information (ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat which document we start = with

 

B) Mike=E2=80=99s = draft: https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 = because it already has the numeric assignments in place and = doesn=E2=80=99t have any other algorithms besides the RSA = algorithms

The numeric = assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of algorithms after = the fork occurred.

Jim

 

 

 

We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two = weeks at the AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a = consensus call at the end of that time = period.

 

Thank you,

 

 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE = chairs

 

 

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As discussed in = the meeting last week, the working group is considering additional work = on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would = be published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on = its journey to RFC-land. >=20 > The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working group on a = number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond with your = answers to the list. >=20 >=20 > 1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework? >=20 > A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document > B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document > C) Yes, but not right now > D) I need more information (please ask what you want to know) > E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat whether this gets done or not >=20 A >=20 > 2) If the work is adopted, where should it be done? >=20 > A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) > B) In other working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a = possible option) > C) I need more information (ask what you want to know) > D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens >=20 A >=20 > 3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good starting point? >=20 > A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01 = > B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 = > C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or offer to write = it yourself) > D) I need more information (ask what you want to know) > E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with >=20 B >=20 > We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at the = AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus call = at the end of that time period. >=20 > Thank you, >=20 > =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE chairs >=20 >=20 > \. - - . > ' _ , -`. > ' _,' _,' > ' ,-' _/ > ' ,-' \ _/ > ' ,' \ _' > ' ' _\' > ' , _,-' \ _________ > \,_,--' \ \\_______\ > \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ > \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\ > \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ > \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\________ > \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----)) > \ \`---------.)))\\ > \ ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\ > \ ||___________\\/ \\ > \ ||------------\\ > ejm \|| \\ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > COSE mailing list > COSE@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/cose --Apple-Mail=_BAB3D165-4CB2-44BA-A59A-A851F07A7537 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Inline
On Jul 29, 2016, at 10:04 AM, Justin Richer = <jricher@MIT.EDU> = wrote:

Hi all, hope = that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in the meeting = last week, the working group is considering additional work on RSA and = other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would be = published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on its = journey to RFC-land.

The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working = group on a number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond = with your answers to the list.


1) = Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework?

A) Yes, we should do an = RSA/other-algs document
B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t = do an RSA/other-algs document
C) Yes, but not right = now
D) I need more information (please ask what you = want to know)
E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat = whether this gets done or not


A

2) If the work is adopted, where should = it be done?

A) = Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item)
B) In other working group (please specify where; note that = ACE is a possible option)
C) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)
D) I = don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens


A

3) If the work is = adopted, which draft is a good starting point?

A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01
<= div class=3D"">B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00
C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or = offer to write it yourself)
D) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)
E) I = don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with

B

We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread = open for two weeks at the AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try = to make a consensus call at the end of that time period.

Thank you,

 =E2=80=94 Justin = & Kepeng, your COSE chairs


        =
\.  -   -  .
       '          _ , -`.
     '        _,'     _,'
    '      ,-'      _/
   '    ,-' \     _/
  '   ,'     \  _'
  '  '       _\'
  ' ,    _,-'  \     _________
  \,_,--'       \    \\_______\
                 \    \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\
                  \    \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\
                   \    \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\
                    \    \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\________
                     \    \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----))
                      \    \`---------.)))\\
                       \   ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\
                        \  ||___________\\/ \\
                         \ ||------------\\
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score=-3.187 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YV8YHs1-853Z for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:21:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 856DB128874 for ; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:21:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hebrews (24.21.96.37) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:27:24 -0700 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Mike Jones' , 'Justin Richer' , 'cose' References: <00aa01d1eb5d$7e5ee850$7b1cb8f0$@augustcellars.com> <00b601d1eb61$f4657560$dd306020$@augustcellars.com> <00c801d1eb6a$de328a90$9a979fb0$@augustcellars.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 18:21:10 -0700 Message-ID: <00ea01d1eb92$fe41e920$fac5bb60$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00EB_01D1EB58.51E69390" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGiSpBLC8nUUGinATiuQKjdphKgtwJIhm3VAaQM0vICNz+vCwLMounIAMGU13ABndILeQH4XY2HoChN1SA= Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [24.21.96.37] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms X-BeenThere: cose@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: CBOR Object Signing and Encryption List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Aug 2016 01:21:40 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01D1EB58.51E69390 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable An in that case you can request specific values or other such things in = the registration template. One generally also provides a = rationalization for that specific value or range as part of the request. = This is similar to what I have done for the CBOR content-type registry = requests in the COSE document. =20 The general idea is to discourage point squatting so that there is not a = problem with having the same value in the registry used for two = different things both of which are in the wild and then you need to = figure out how to deal with it. =20 One can also, if there is justification, request an early code point = assignment in cases where it is known that implementations are waiting = for the assignment to be made and need to get to market. =20 I don=E2=80=99t know that any such need exists at this point, but the = case might be made in the future for doing this. The point is, if you = let IANA do its job then things will generally work more smoothly. =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:37 PM To: Jim Schaad ; 'Justin Richer' = ; 'cose' Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Even so, given that we want specific identifiers to be allocated in = specific numeric ranges, it seems less error-prone to include the = suggested values to register in the specification. If there are actual = conflicts at registration time, these suggested values would obviously = be changed anyway. In my experience, both IANA and the RFC Editors are = happiest when as much as possible is in final form when they begin to = process the documents. Obviously either way would work. =20 -- Mike =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 1:34 PM To: Mike Jones >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 You misunderstand the process. The RFC editor replaces the TBDs with = the IANA assigned values just before Auth48 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:34 PM To: Jim Schaad = >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 The problem with this, unless I misunderstand the process, is that it = will result in an RFC containing TBD# for the assignments, rather the = actual numbers, which is less useful to developers. I think it would be = better for the RFC to contain the assigned numbers. =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:30 PM To: Mike Jones >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Or better, go through the normal IANA registration process to get them =20 From: Mike Jones [mailto:Michael.Jones@microsoft.com]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:02 PM To: Jim Schaad = >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: RE: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Thanks for the info, Jim. Since the numeric assignments are wrong, the = first thing to do for either draft would be to incorporate correct ones. =20 -- Mike =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jim Schaad Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:58 AM To: Mike Jones >; 'Justin Richer' >; 'cose' = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 =20 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike Jones Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 11:27 AM To: Justin Richer >; cose = > Subject: Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Responses inline=E2=80=A6 =20 From: COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Justin Richer Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:04 AM To: cose > Subject: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative algorithms =20 Hi all, hope that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in = the meeting last week, the working group is considering additional work = on RSA and other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would = be published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on = its journey to RFC-land. =20 The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the working group on a = number of items related to this proposed work. Please respond with your = answers to the list. =20 =20 1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile to define RSA and = other additional algorithms in the COSE messages framework? =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs document B) No, we shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs document C) Yes, but not right now D) I need more information (please ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat whether this gets done or not =20 A) Yes, we should do an RSA document now. These are needed now. Other = algorithms can come later and be registered then. =20 2) If the work is adopted, where should it be done? =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) B) In other working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a = possible option) C) I need more information (ask what you want to know) D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this happens =20 A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this item) =20 3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good starting point? =20 A) Jim=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-cose-alg-01 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or offer to write it = yourself) D) I need more information (ask what you want to know) E) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat which document we start with =20 B) Mike=E2=80=99s draft: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 because it already = has the numeric assignments in place and doesn=E2=80=99t have any other = algorithms besides the RSA algorithms The numeric assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of = algorithms after the fork occurred. Jim =20 =20 =20 We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two weeks at the = AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a consensus call = at the end of that time period. =20 Thank you, =20 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE chairs =20 =20 \. - - . ' _ , -`. ' _,' _,' ' ,-' _/ ' ,-' \ _/ ' ,' \ _' ' ' _\' ' , _,-' \ _________ \,_,--' \ \\_______\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\ =20 \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+\ =20 \ \\=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\________ \ \\+=3D+=3D+=3D+____----)) \ \`---------.)))\\ \ ||+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D+=3D\\ /\\ \ ||___________\\/ \\ \ ||------------\\ ejm \|| \\ =20 ------=_NextPart_000_00EB_01D1EB58.51E69390 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

An in that = case you can request specific values or other such things in the = registration template.=C2=A0 One generally also provides a = rationalization for that specific value or range as part of the = request.=C2=A0 This is similar to what I have done for the CBOR = content-type registry requests in the COSE = document.

 

The general = idea is to discourage point squatting so that there is not a problem = with having the same value in the registry used for two different things = both of which are in the wild and then you need to figure out how to = deal with it.

 

One can = also, if there is justification, request an early code point assignment = in cases where it is known that implementations are waiting for the = assignment to be made and need to get to market.

 

I = don=E2=80=99t know that any such need exists at this point, but the case = might be made in the future for doing this.=C2=A0=C2=A0 The point is, if = you let IANA do its job then things will generally work more = smoothly.

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mike = Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 2:37 PM
To: Jim = Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>; 'Justin Richer' = <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Even so, given that we want specific identifiers to be allocated in = specific numeric ranges, it seems less error-prone to include the = suggested values to register in the specification.  If there are = actual conflicts at registration time, these suggested values would = obviously be changed anyway.  In my experience, both IANA and the = RFC Editors are happiest when as much as possible is in final form when = they begin to process the documents.  Obviously either way would = work.

 

            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      -- Mike

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jim Schaad
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 1:34 PM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

You = misunderstand the process.  The RFC editor replaces the TBDs with = the IANA assigned values just before Auth48

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mike Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 12:34 PM
To: Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>; = 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

The problem with this, unless I misunderstand the process, is that it = will result in an RFC containing TBD# for the assignments, rather the = actual numbers, which is less useful to developers.  I think it = would be better for the RFC to contain the assigned = numbers.

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jim Schaad
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 12:30 PM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Or better, = go through the normal IANA registration process to get = them

 

From:<= /b> = Mike Jones [mailto:Michael.Jones@microsof= t.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 12:02 PM
To: = Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com>; = 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = RE: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Thanks for the info, Jim.  Since the numeric assignments are = wrong, the first thing to do for either draft would be to incorporate = correct ones.

 

            =             &= nbsp;           &n= bsp;           &nb= sp;      -- Mike

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Jim Schaad
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 11:58 AM
To: Mike Jones <Michael.Jones@microsoft.com>; 'Justin Richer' <jricher@mit.edu>; 'cose' <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

 

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Mike Jones
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 = 11:27 AM
To: Justin Richer <jricher@mit.edu>; cose <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = Re: [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Responses inline=E2=80=A6

 

From:<= /b> = COSE [mailto:cose-bounces@ietf.org] = On Behalf Of Justin Richer
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 = 7:04 AM
To: cose <cose@ietf.org>
Subject: = [COSE] Adoption of RSA and alternative = algorithms

 

Hi all, hope = that everyone is recovering from Berlin. As discussed in the meeting = last week, the working group is considering additional work on RSA and = other algorithms in the COSE messages framework. These would be = published in a document separate from the core draft that is now on its = journey to RFC-land.

 

The chairs would like to gauge the sentiment of the = working group on a number of items related to this proposed work. Please = respond with your answers to the list.

 

 

1) Do you think it=E2=80=99s necessary or worthwhile = to define RSA and other additional algorithms in the COSE messages = framework?

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA/other-algs = document

B) No, we = shouldn=E2=80=99t do an RSA/other-algs = document

C) Yes, but not = right now

D) I need more = information (please ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat whether this gets done or = not

 

A) Yes, we should do an RSA = document now.  These are needed now.  Other algorithms can = come later and be registered then.

 

2) If the work is adopted, where should it be = done?

 

A) Here in COSE (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for = this item)

B) In other = working group (please specify where; note that ACE is a possible = option)

C) I need more = information (ask what you want to know)

D) I don=E2=80=99t give a flying rat where this = happens

 

A) Here in COSE = (we=E2=80=99ll keep the group open for this = item)

 

3) If the work is adopted, which draft is a good = starting point?

 

C) Some other draft (please tell us which one it is or = offer to write it yourself)

D) I need more information (ask what you want to = know)

E) I don=E2=80=99t = give a flying rat which document we start = with

 

B) Mike=E2=80=99s = draft: https://tool= s.ietf.org/html/draft-jones-cose-rsa-00 = because it already has the numeric assignments in place and = doesn=E2=80=99t have any other algorithms besides the RSA = algorithms

The numeric = assignments are wrong as I have reordered the set of algorithms after = the fork occurred.

Jim

 

 

 

We=E2=80=99re going to keep this thread open for two = weeks at the AD=E2=80=99s request, and the chairs will try to make a = consensus call at the end of that time = period.

 

Thank you,

 

 =E2=80=94 Justin & Kepeng, your COSE = chairs

 

 

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