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Hi all,

This is a reminder. Please provide us your presentation by Sunday April 3 5=
pm (BA time). If you are not presentation please send us a unicast notifica=
tion.

BR,
Daniel

From: Curdle [mailto:curdle-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Migault
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:29 AM
To: curdle@ietf.org
Cc: curdle-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Curdle] proposed agenda

Hi,

Please find the proposed agenda during the BA session.

-          Authors please confirm you will be presenting and please provide=
 your presentation by Sunday April 3.
See you in BA!
Rich and Daniel

16:20-17:20 - Tuesday Afternoon session II - Buen Ayre B
Agenda:
   - draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed25519-01 / draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed448-0=
0
   - draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-eddsa-00
   - draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-newcurves-00
   - draft-ietf-curdle-rsa-sha2-00
   - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-00
   - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info-00
   - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-03

   - charter discussion on hosting ssh work:
       - do we need to re-charter ?
       - agreement / disagreement on hosting ssh work



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR, <o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Daniel<o:p></o:p></spa=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel Migault<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:29 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> curdle@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> curdle-chairs@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Curdle] proposed agenda<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Please find the proposed agenda during the BA sessio=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">See you in BA!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rich and Daniel<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">16:20-17:20 - Tuesday Afternoon session II - Buen Ay=
re B<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Agenda:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; - draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed25519-01 /=
 draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed448-00&nbsp;
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-eddsa-00<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; - draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-newcurves-00<o=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; - draft-ietf-curdle-rsa-sha2-00 &nbsp;&=
nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p; <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;- draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-00<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info-00<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-03<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp; - charter discussion on hosting ssh wor=
k:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - do we need to=
 re-charter ?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - agreement / d=
isagreement on hosting ssh work<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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I have multiple reasons to oppose the idea of meeting in a physical locatio=
n to discuss standards that can be discussed and advanced online.

These meetings are - including but not limited to:

- Economically wasteful. Each participant has to dedicate 3 - 7 days, two o=
f which are wasted on unpleasant air travel, to discuss something in person=
 that we can discuss online equally effectively - using technology as ubiqu=
itous as an HTML 5 browser.

- Ecologically wasteful. A physical meeting with 1334 participants, traveli=
ng an average of 5,000 miles each, return  trip, burns 360,000 liters of je=
t  fuel, and releases 910 metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.=20

- Exclusionary. Participation in standardization should not be limited to c=
ompanies and individuals willing and able to travel to in-person meetings. =
The people who don't have time for this sort of thing are not a good metric=
 for people you want to exclude. "Convince another attendee to represent yo=
u" does not cut it.

Whether it's ISO or IETF, I think standards organizations need to evolve to=
ward a model where this sort of thing is done online.

To encourage evolution towards an acceptable online model, I prefer not to =
participate in this kind of thing.

Good luck to you all who will be there.


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To: Daniel Migault ; curdle@ietf.org=20
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Subject: Re: [Curdle] proposed agenda

Hi all,=20

This is a reminder. Please provide us your presentation by Sunday April 3 5=
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BR,=20

Daniel


----- Original Message -----
From: Curdle [mailto:curdle-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Migault
Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:29 AM
To: curdle@ietf.org
Cc: curdle-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: [Curdle] proposed agenda

Hi,=20

Please find the proposed agenda during the BA session.=20

- Authors please confirm you will be presenting and please provide your pre=
sentation by Sunday April 3.

See you in BA!

Rich and Daniel

16:20-17:20 - Tuesday Afternoon session II - Buen Ayre B

Agenda:

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed25519-01 / draft-ietf-curdle-dnsk=
ey-ed448-00 =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-eddsa-00
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-newcurves-00
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - draft-ietf-curdle-rsa-sha2-00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-00
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info-00
=C2=A0=C2=A0 - draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-03

=C2=A0=C2=A0 - charter discussion on hosting ssh work:
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - do we need to re-charter ?
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 - agreement / disagreement on hosting =
ssh work

DANIEL MIGAULT=20
Researcher=20
Research

Ericsson
8500 Boulevard Decarie
H4P 2N2 Montreal, Canada
Phone +1 514 345 7900 46628
Mobile +1 514 452 2160
daniel.migault@ericsson.com
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<html><head></head><body>I have multiple reasons to oppose the idea of meet=
ing in a physical location to discuss standards that can be discussed and a=
dvanced online.<br><br>These meetings are - including but not limited to:<b=
r><br>- Economically wasteful. Each participant has to dedicate 3 - 7 days,=
 two of which are wasted on unpleasant air travel, to discuss something in =
person that we can discuss online equally effectively - using technology as=
 ubiquitous as an HTML 5 browser.<br><br>- Ecologically wasteful. A physica=
l meeting with 1334 participants, traveling an average of 5,000 miles each,=
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 trip, burns 360,000 liters of jet=20
fuel, and releases 910 metric tons of CO2 into the atmosphere. <br><br>- Ex=
clusionary. Participation in standardization should not be limited to compa=
nies and individuals willing and able to travel to in-person meetings. The =
people who don't have time for this sort of thing are not a good metric for=
 people you want to exclude. "Convince another attendee to represent you" d=
oes not cut it.<br><br>Whether it's ISO or IETF, I think standards organiza=
tions need to evolve toward a model where this sort of thing is done online=
.<br><br>To encourage evolution towards an acceptable online model, I prefe=
r not to participate in this kind of thing.<br><br>Good luck to you all who=
 will be there.<br><br><br>----- Original Message -----<br>From: Daniel Mig=
ault <br>Sent: Saturday, April 2, 2016 16:35<br>To: Daniel Migault ; curdle=
@ietf.org <br>Cc: curdle-chairs@ietf.org <br>Subject: Re: [Curdle] proposed=
 agenda<br><br>Hi all, <br><br>This is a reminder. Please provide us your p=
resentation by Sunday April 3 5pm (BA time). If you are not presentation pl=
ease send us a unicast notification. <br><br>BR, <br><br>Daniel<br><br><br>=
----- Original Message -----<br>From: Curdle [mailto:curdle-bounces@ietf.or=
g] On Behalf Of Daniel Migault<br>Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 10:29 AM<br=
>To: curdle@ietf.org<br>Cc: curdle-chairs@ietf.org<br>Subject: [Curdle] pro=
posed agenda<br><br>Hi, <br><br>Please find the proposed agenda during the =
BA session. <br><br>- Authors please confirm you will be presenting and ple=
ase provide your presentation by Sunday April 3.<br><br>See you in BA!<br><=
br>Rich and Daniel<br><br>16:20-17:20 - Tuesday Afternoon session II - Buen=
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19-01 / draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed448-00 &nbsp;<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; - draft-ie=
tf-curdle-pkix-eddsa-00<br>&nbsp;&nbsp; - draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-newcurves-=
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br>&nbsp;&nbsp; - charter discussion on hosting ssh work:<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - do we need to re-charter ?<br>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; - agreement / disagreement on hosting ssh work<br><br>DANI=
EL MIGAULT <br>Researcher <br>Research<br><br>Ericsson<br>8500 Boulevard De=
carie<br>H4P 2N2 Montreal, Canada<br>Phone +1 514 345 7900 46628<br>Mobile =
+1 514 452 2160<br>daniel.migault@ericsson.com<br>www.ericsson.com <br><br>=
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The chairs


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DANIEL MIGAULT
Researcher
Research

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I expect that CMS will be one of the protocols where we make use of the =
new curves.

ECDH will be used for key agreement with Enveloped-Data and EdDSA will =
we used for digital signature with Signed-Data.

For ECDH, the ECPoint will carry the public key, and the parameter will =
identify the named curve.  I gather that this is the intended us of:

       id-Curve25519   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.1 =
}
       id-Curve448     OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.2 =
}

If I got that right, something like id-ecdh-with-curveXXX seems like a =
name that will help the human.

I think the other two object identifiers in the document are only for =
use with EdDSA.

       id-Curve25519ph OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.3 =
}
       id-Curve448ph   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.4 =
}

If I got that right, something like id-eddsa-with-curveXXX seems like a =
name that will help the human.

Russ


On Mar 28, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> wrote:

> I am confused on reading this draft.  I read the DSA draft first and =
it had
> one way of encoding the public keys.  This draft appears to have a =
different
> way of doing this.  What are the authors recommending?
>=20
> Jim


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"Jim Schaad" <ietf@augustcellars.com> writes:

> I am confused on reading this draft.  I read the DSA draft first and it had
> one way of encoding the public keys.  This draft appears to have a different
> way of doing this.  What are the authors recommending?

Depends what your application is. :-)

It is not clear to me which approach is preferable.  Further, it is not
clear that they are exclusive.

It seems that in some PKIX applications (e.g., PKCS#11, XMLSecurity,
Java, maybe CMS), a NamedCurve OID is needed to move forward, so that
existing infrastructure for NIST/Brainpool EC can be reused/abused.
Thus draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-newcurves.

It seems that in some PKIX applications (e.g., Certificates, TLS), a new
public key algorithm and digital signature algorithm is a cleaner and
easier way to introduce EdDSA.

I don't think the situation is as easy as say that The NamedCurve OIDs
are for ECDH and the pkix-eddsa approach is for digital signatures.  We
could go that route, but I believe it is a simplification that will hurt
some application in the long run.  For example, when you want to chose a
curve before knowing what operation it will be used for (think PKCS#11).

Right now, I'm of the mind that we need NamedCurve OIDs for the curves
(including the ph-variant for signatures) but also believe a new EdDSA
certificate/signature format is needed.

Further thoughts on this would be welcome, especially from implementers.

/Simon

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"Jim Schaad" <ietf@augustcellars.com> writes:

> I have read through this draft and I have a couple of issues that I would
> like to raise:
>
> 1.   Although there is a private key in the examples, there is no private
> key ASN.1 structure defined in the document.  I would prefer to see the
> re-use of ECPrivateKey from RFC 5915.  However, it needs to be redefined =
as
> the parameters field would not be correct=20

The current example uses a new ASN.1 construct as implemented in GnuTLS:

EdDSAParameters ::=3D ENUMERATED { ed25519 (1), ed25519ph (2) }
EdDSAPrivateKey ::=3D SEQUENCE {
  curve  EdDSAParameters,
  priv   OCTET STRING
}

We considered the ECPrivateKey construct but the definition of it uses
the RSA Integer-to-Octet-String-Primitive (I2OSP) function to convert
values from integers, and this is not applicable to EdDSA which uses
opaque binary strings.

I'll include the EdDSAPrivateKey ASN.1 structure.

> 2.  There is not an ASN.1 module defined for the document.  I find this to
> be useful as it centralized the information I need to feed to a compiler =
in
> one location.  I would have a preference for using 2008 syntax, but would
> understand if you kept the current 1988 syntax that the PKIX group strong=
ly
> preferred.

Agreed.  We could include both, to (not) please everyone.

> 3.  If you are going to include the random art in the examples, then a
> pointer to what it is should be included as well.  This is a new concept =
to
> me.

It is only an illustration.

> 4.  I would believe that it would be remiss not to suggest that only the
> pure versions of EdDSA be used to sign certificates.  I would not outlaw =
the
> use of the pre-hash versions but a strong recommendation to use the pure
> versions seems in order.

Which text are you thinking of here?  I don't see text like you
describe, but I may be missing it.

/Simon

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Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> writes:

> I expect that CMS will be one of the protocols where we make use of the n=
ew curves.
>
> ECDH will be used for key agreement with Enveloped-Data and EdDSA will
> we used for digital signature with Signed-Data.
>
> For ECDH, the ECPoint will carry the public key, and the parameter
> will identify the named curve.

Right.

> I gather that this is the intended us of:
>
>        id-Curve25519   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.1 }
>        id-Curve448     OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.2 }
>
> If I got that right, something like id-ecdh-with-curveXXX seems like a
> name that will help the human.

NamedCurve OIDs are used for other purposes than ECDH, so I believe this
would be confusing.  Compare the NIST and Brainpool NamedCurve OIDs,
none of them include 'ecdh-with'.  Or am I missing something?  Compare
the more recent RFC 5639.

> I think the other two object identifiers in the document are only for use=
 with EdDSA.
>
>        id-Curve25519ph OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.3 }
>        id-Curve448ph   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.4 }
>
> If I got that right, something like id-eddsa-with-curveXXX seems like
> a name that will help the human.

I have the same concern here.  I believe NamedCurve OIDs are used to
identify the curves themselves, not the purpose for what the curve is be
used for.  Otherwise we would have different OIDs for DH or MQV, for
example, and we don't.

Thanks,
/Simon

> Russ
>
>
> On Mar 28, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> wrote:
>
>> I am confused on reading this draft.  I read the DSA draft first and it =
had
>> one way of encoding the public keys.  This draft appears to have a diffe=
rent
>> way of doing this.  What are the authors recommending?
>>=20
>> Jim
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Okay.  I understand your point.

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On Apr 7, 2016, at 10:35 AM, Simon Josefsson <simon@josefsson.org> =
wrote:

> Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> writes:
>=20
>> I expect that CMS will be one of the protocols where we make use of =
the new curves.
>>=20
>> ECDH will be used for key agreement with Enveloped-Data and EdDSA =
will
>> we used for digital signature with Signed-Data.
>>=20
>> For ECDH, the ECPoint will carry the public key, and the parameter
>> will identify the named curve.
>=20
> Right.
>=20
>> I gather that this is the intended us of:
>>=20
>>       id-Curve25519   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { =
1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.1 }
>>       id-Curve448     OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { =
1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.2 }
>>=20
>> If I got that right, something like id-ecdh-with-curveXXX seems like =
a
>> name that will help the human.
>=20
> NamedCurve OIDs are used for other purposes than ECDH, so I believe =
this
> would be confusing.  Compare the NIST and Brainpool NamedCurve OIDs,
> none of them include 'ecdh-with'.  Or am I missing something?  Compare
> the more recent RFC 5639.
>=20
>> I think the other two object identifiers in the document are only for =
use with EdDSA.
>>=20
>>       id-Curve25519ph OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { =
1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.3 }
>>       id-Curve448ph   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { =
1.3.6.1.4.1.11591.15.4 }
>>=20
>> If I got that right, something like id-eddsa-with-curveXXX seems like
>> a name that will help the human.
>=20
> I have the same concern here.  I believe NamedCurve OIDs are used to
> identify the curves themselves, not the purpose for what the curve is =
be
> used for.  Otherwise we would have different OIDs for DH or MQV, for
> example, and we don't.
>=20
> Thanks,
> /Simon
>=20
>> Russ
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Mar 28, 2016, at 5:05 PM, Jim Schaad <ietf@augustcellars.com> =
wrote:
>>=20
>>> I am confused on reading this draft.  I read the DSA draft first and =
it had
>>> one way of encoding the public keys.  This draft appears to have a =
different
>>> way of doing this.  What are the authors recommending?
>>>=20
>>> Jim
>>=20
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Thanks for the updates Simon. We would appreciate that the WG review the dr=
aft as soon as possible before so we proceed to the WGLC.

BR,=20
Daniel

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Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:32 AM
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"Jim Schaad" <ietf@augustcellars.com> writes:

> I have read through this draft and I have a couple of issues that I=20
> would like to raise:
>
> 1.   Although there is a private key in the examples, there is no private
> key ASN.1 structure defined in the document.  I would prefer to see=20
> the re-use of ECPrivateKey from RFC 5915.  However, it needs to be=20
> redefined as the parameters field would not be correct

The current example uses a new ASN.1 construct as implemented in GnuTLS:

EdDSAParameters ::=3D ENUMERATED { ed25519 (1), ed25519ph (2) } EdDSAPrivat=
eKey ::=3D SEQUENCE {
  curve  EdDSAParameters,
  priv   OCTET STRING
}

We considered the ECPrivateKey construct but the definition of it uses the =
RSA Integer-to-Octet-String-Primitive (I2OSP) function to convert values fr=
om integers, and this is not applicable to EdDSA which uses opaque binary s=
trings.

I'll include the EdDSAPrivateKey ASN.1 structure.

> 2.  There is not an ASN.1 module defined for the document.  I find=20
> this to be useful as it centralized the information I need to feed to=20
> a compiler in one location.  I would have a preference for using 2008=20
> syntax, but would understand if you kept the current 1988 syntax that=20
> the PKIX group strongly preferred.

Agreed.  We could include both, to (not) please everyone.

> 3.  If you are going to include the random art in the examples, then a=20
> pointer to what it is should be included as well.  This is a new=20
> concept to me.

It is only an illustration.

> 4.  I would believe that it would be remiss not to suggest that only=20
> the pure versions of EdDSA be used to sign certificates.  I would not=20
> outlaw the use of the pre-hash versions but a strong recommendation to=20
> use the pure versions seems in order.

Which text are you thinking of here?  I don't see text like you describe, b=
ut I may be missing it.

/Simon


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Daniel Migault <daniel.migault@ericsson.com> writes:

> Thanks for the updates Simon. We would appreciate that the WG review
> the draft as soon as possible before so we proceed to the WGLC.

What do you and the WG think of merging the content of these two drafts
into one?  They are both PKIX and Curve25519/448-related, and if we are
going to push both ideas forward, having them in the same document make
sense.

The purpose behing separating the ideas into two separate documents was
that we may end up with using only one of the approaches and saying the
other one is not a good idea.  There haven't been a lot of
feedback/discussion on that aspect as far as I have seen.

/Simon

> BR,=20
> Daniel
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curdle [mailto:curdle-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Simon Josefsson
> Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2016 11:32 AM
> To: Jim Schaad
> Cc: curdle@ietf.org; draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-eddsa@tools.ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-eddsa-00
>
> "Jim Schaad" <ietf@augustcellars.com> writes:
>
>> I have read through this draft and I have a couple of issues that I=20
>> would like to raise:
>>
>> 1.   Although there is a private key in the examples, there is no private
>> key ASN.1 structure defined in the document.  I would prefer to see=20
>> the re-use of ECPrivateKey from RFC 5915.  However, it needs to be=20
>> redefined as the parameters field would not be correct
>
> The current example uses a new ASN.1 construct as implemented in GnuTLS:
>
> EdDSAParameters ::=3D ENUMERATED { ed25519 (1), ed25519ph (2) } EdDSAPriv=
ateKey ::=3D SEQUENCE {
>   curve  EdDSAParameters,
>   priv   OCTET STRING
> }
>
> We considered the ECPrivateKey construct but the definition of it uses
>> the RSA Integer-to-Octet-String-Primitive (I2OSP) function to
>> convert values from integers, and this is not applicable to EdDSA
>> which uses opaque binary strings.
>
> I'll include the EdDSAPrivateKey ASN.1 structure.
>
>> 2.  There is not an ASN.1 module defined for the document.  I find=20
>> this to be useful as it centralized the information I need to feed to=20
>> a compiler in one location.  I would have a preference for using 2008=20
>> syntax, but would understand if you kept the current 1988 syntax that=20
>> the PKIX group strongly preferred.
>
> Agreed.  We could include both, to (not) please everyone.
>
>> 3.  If you are going to include the random art in the examples, then a=20
>> pointer to what it is should be included as well.  This is a new=20
>> concept to me.
>
> It is only an illustration.
>
>> 4.  I would believe that it would be remiss not to suggest that only=20
>> the pure versions of EdDSA be used to sign certificates.  I would not=20
>> outlaw the use of the pre-hash versions but a strong recommendation to=20
>> use the pure versions seems in order.
>
> Which text are you thinking of here?  I don't see text like you describe,=
 but I may be missing it.
>
> /Simon

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If I do this in openssl:

openssl ecparam -name prime256v1 -genkey -out prime256v1.pem -noout

The resulting PEM file

-----BEGIN EC PRIVATE KEY-----
MHcCAQEEIBCJ4KQUK24oUNEz/m3E9Fzu115J3btbUWICmEAezudtoAoGCCqGSM49
AwEHoUQDQgAE99m5W2jLA0KUld2QIWUq440ZngvUFgaMpeJ+ng9diJ+JrnHFb5Zx
BElOa6uZQbey3Mp7ajnYfKG6uCt3IbpB6g==
-----END EC PRIVATE KEY-----

after base64 decoding holds the following:


   0: SEQUENCE
        {
   2:     INTEGER 1
   5:     OCTET STRING, 32 bytes
      0000: 10 89 E0 A4 14 2B 6E 28 50 D1 33 FE 6D C4 F4 5C   '.....+n(P.3.m..\'
      0010: EE D7 5E 49 DD BB 5B 51 62 02 98 40 1E CE E7 6D   '..^I..[Qb..@...m'
  39:     [0]
            {
  41:         OBJECT IDENTIFIER NIST-P-256 (1.2.840.10045.3.1.7)
            }
  51:     [1]
            {
  53:         BIT STRING, 65 bytes
      0000: 04 F7 D9 B9 5B 68 CB 03 42 94 95 DD 90 21 65 2A   '....[h..B....!e*'
      0010: E3 8D 19 9E 0B D4 16 06 8C A5 E2 7E 9E 0F 5D 88   '...........~..].'
      0020: 9F 89 AE 71 C5 6F 96 71 04 49 4E 6B AB 99 41 B7   '...q.o.q.INk..A.'
      0030: B2 DC CA 7B 6A 39 D8 7C A1 BA B8 2B 77 21 BA 41   '...{j9.|...+w!.A'
      0040: EA                                                '.'
            }
        }


That is, the public key is also available. This is BTW marked as a SHOULD in RFC 5915.

I would be happy if the private key ASN.1 definition followed this scheme.

Anders


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Since the WG agreed to merge the DNS documents into one, I suggest the same=
 thing makes sense here.

And to repeat what Daniel said:  thanks very much for your work on these!

-- =20
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On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 04:20:15PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> "Jim Schaad" <ietf@augustcellars.com> writes:
> 
> > I am confused on reading this draft.  I read the DSA draft first and it had
> > one way of encoding the public keys.  This draft appears to have a different
> > way of doing this.  What are the authors recommending?
> 
> I don't think the situation is as easy as say that The NamedCurve OIDs
> are for ECDH and the pkix-eddsa approach is for digital signatures.  We
> could go that route, but I believe it is a simplification that will hurt
> some application in the long run.  For example, when you want to chose a
> curve before knowing what operation it will be used for (think PKCS#11).

The problem is that to use the same public key for ECDH and EdDSA
requires special peer side support. This is not about security, but
what mathematically works.

ECDH and ECDSA with full-group curves do not have the same problem
(it isn't cryptographically good practice, but that's about security).


-Ilari


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We already have RFC 5084 that specifies the use of AES-CCM and AES-GCM =
with CMS.

A few days ago, I posted an I-D that specifies the use of ChaCha20 with =
Poly1305 with CMS:

	=
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt

Stephen Farrell told me that he would like this document to go through =
this working group.  Please read and review.  Is this working group =
willing to adopt it?

Russ=


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> On Thu, Apr 07, 2016 at 04:20:15PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > "Jim Schaad" <ietf@augustcellars.com> writes:
> >=20
> > > I am confused on reading this draft.  I read the DSA draft first
> > > and it had one way of encoding the public keys.  This draft
> > > appears to have a different way of doing this.  What are the
> > > authors recommending?
> >=20
> > I don't think the situation is as easy as say that The NamedCurve
> > OIDs are for ECDH and the pkix-eddsa approach is for digital
> > signatures.  We could go that route, but I believe it is a
> > simplification that will hurt some application in the long run.
> > For example, when you want to chose a curve before knowing what
> > operation it will be used for (think PKCS#11).
>=20
> The problem is that to use the same public key for ECDH and EdDSA
> requires special peer side support. This is not about security, but
> what mathematically works.
>
> ECDH and ECDSA with full-group curves do not have the same problem
> (it isn't cryptographically good practice, but that's about security).

Why would we want people to use the same public key for ECDH and
EdDSA?  That seems like a terrible idea that we should simply recommend
against.

/Simon

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption of the IETF.

        Title           : EdDSA, Ed25519, Ed448, Curve25519 and Curve448 for X.509
        Author          : Simon Josefsson
	Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-00.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2016-04-08

Abstract:
   This document specify algorithm identifiers and ASN.1 encoding
   formats for EdDSA digital signatures, subject public keys, and a
   "named curve" object identifier, used in the Internet X.509 Public
   Key Infrastructure.  Parameters for Ed25519, Ed25519ph, Ed448,
   Ed448ph, Curve25519 and Curve448 are defined.


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It seems that private keys now follows the scheme I proposed but it didn't
fully make it to the PEM sample in the draft.

Anders

On 2016-04-09 05:26, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption of the IETF.
>
>          Title           : EdDSA, Ed25519, Ed448, Curve25519 and Curve448 for X.509
>          Author          : Simon Josefsson
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 12
> 	Date            : 2016-04-08
>
> Abstract:
>     This document specify algorithm identifiers and ASN.1 encoding
>     formats for EdDSA digital signatures, subject public keys, and a
>     "named curve" object identifier, used in the Internet X.509 Public
>     Key Infrastructure.  Parameters for Ed25519, Ed25519ph, Ed448,
>     Ed448ph, Curve25519 and Curve448 are defined.
>
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> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix/
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On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 08:26:59PM -0700, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption of the IETF.
>
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-00.txt
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix/
> 
> There's also a htmlized version available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-00

Some questions / notes:

1) What is the public key format for each OID?

I presume:

id-Curve25519: X25519 format
id-Curve448: X448 format
id-Cure25519ph: ???Ed25519 format???
id-Curve448ph: ???Ed448 format???

id-EdDSAPublicKey/ed25519: Ed25519 format
id-EdDSAPublicKey/ed25519ph: Ed25519 format
id-EdDSAPublicKey/ed448 Ed448 format
id-EdDSAPublicKey/ed448ph: Ed448 format

But this assignment is odd, since there are NamedCurve entries
corresponding to Ed25519ph/Ed448ph keys but not Ed25519/Ed448
keys.

(The choises here are:
a) X25519 format (from RFC7748)
b) X448 format (from RFC7748)
c) Ed25519 format (from I.D-irtf-cfrg-eddsa)
d) Ed448 format (from I.D-irtf-cfrg-eddsa)
e) Other format (specify))

2) There is still example with 1.3.101.100.1 OID for the
signature, when prose says 1.3.101.101. Which one is correct?



-Ilari


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> 	https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-
> 00.txt
>=20
> Stephen Farrell told me that he would like this document to go through th=
is
> working group.  Please read and review.  Is this working group willing to
> adopt it?

This is exactly the kind of thing that we should cover.  Let's wait a few d=
ays and then call for adoption next week.  If anyone knows of a reason why =
*not* to adopt this, of course speak up now -- no need to wait :)


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The ASN.1 module does not compile.  Here is one that does:

   SafeCurves-PKIX-0 { 1 3 101 120 }

   DEFINITIONS ::=3D BEGIN

   id-EdDSAPublicKey OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1 3 101 100 }
   id-EdDSASignature OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1 3 101 101 }

   id-Curve25519   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1 3 101 110 }
   id-Curve448     OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1 3 101 111 }
   id-Curve25519ph OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1 3 101 112 }
   id-Curve448ph   OBJECT IDENTIFIER ::=3D { 1 3 101 113 }

   EdDSAParameters ::=3D ENUMERATED {
       ed25519   (1),
       ed25519ph (2),
       ed448     (3),
       ed448ph   (4) }

   END


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On Thu 2016-04-07 13:47:46 -0400, Salz, Rich wrote:
> Since the WG agreed to merge the DNS documents into one, I suggest the same thing makes sense here.

I'd agree with Rich on this.  One doc should be fine.

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On Fri 2016-04-08 23:26:59 -0400, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote:
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption of the IETF.
>
>       Title           : EdDSA, Ed25519, Ed448, Curve25519 and Curve448 for X.509
>       Author          : Simon Josefsson
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-00.txt
> 	Pages           : 12
> 	Date            : 2016-04-08

Thanks for writing this and submitting it, Simon!

I note that section 7 (EdDSA signatures) doesn't mention anything about
a choice of context:

  https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-00#section-7

The EdDSA CFRG draft makes it clear that a context string can be used
during signature creation and verification to avoid cross-protocol
attacks for other systems that use distinct context strings:

 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-irtf-cfrg-eddsa-05

I recommend explicitly selecting a context string for the use of EdDSA
in PKIX.  Perhaps the context string would just be "PKIX\0".

This would mean that the examples would probably need to change, but
since i don't think this is currently deployed, now is the time to make
that change.

Martin Thomson, Ben Kaduk and myself are in the process of writing up
the use of context strings as a best practice, and it would be great to
have more good examples to point at :)

     --dkg

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On Fri 2016-04-08 13:52:30 -0400, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> Why would we want people to use the same public key for ECDH and
> EdDSA?  That seems like a terrible idea that we should simply
> recommend against.

Agreed with Simon here, we should actively discourage reuse of any key
in different contexts.

    --dkg


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On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 08:43:37PM -0400, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote:
> On Fri 2016-04-08 13:52:30 -0400, Simon Josefsson wrote:
> > Why would we want people to use the same public key for ECDH and
> > EdDSA?  That seems like a terrible idea that we should simply
> > recommend against.
> 
> Agreed with Simon here, we should actively discourage reuse of any key
> in different contexts.

My point was that such reuse won't even work, since the two algorithms
interpret their keys differently (if implemented to spec).

And yes, even if it worked, such reuse would be bad idea. E.g. the
ECDH vs. ECDSA reuse has been exploited in at least one attack against
TLS (didn't work with DH vs. DSA because key types were separate).


-Ilari


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Hi folks,

I have some comments on draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-00. This is largely coming
from having recently written fresh ECPrivateKey, PrivateKeyInfo, and
SubjectPublicKeyInfo code for BoringSSL and also from thinking how this
draft might be implemented.

First, a small editorial nitpick:

   The raw binary EdDSA public key is encoded directly in the
   subjectPublicKey BIT STRING object.  Note that unlike some other
   schemes, there is no additional OCTET STRING encoding step.

This is like RFC 3279's "The DER encoded RSAPublicKey is the value of the
BIT STRING subjectPublicKey", but I think this is a type error. As far as I
know, an abstract BIT STRING has no inherent a grouping into bytes (of
course the grouping that aligns with DER is most natural). RFC 4055 instead
explicitly says like:

   To convert a signature value to a bit string, the most significant
   bit of the first octet of the signature value SHALL become the first
   bit of the bit string, and so on through the least significant bit of
   the last octet of the signature value, which SHALL become the last
   bit of the bit string.

While more verbose, I think we should be explicit about the type mismatch.
(These fields should never have been BIT STRINGs to begin with, but we've
lost that one.)

Section 3 is confusing. What is the difference between an id-ecPublicKey +
id-Curve25519ph certificate vs. id-EdDSAPublicKey + ed25519ph? There
shouldn't be two ways to spell the same thing. I think the second one is
better. X9.62 ECC is shaped very differently from curve25519/curve448 and I
think it is a mistake to try to shoehorn things here.

Even ditching X9.62, why an id-EdDSAPublicKey top-level OID with ENUMERATED
parameters? Instead, I'd suggest four separate parameter-less algorithm
OIDs for ed25519, ed25519ph, ed448, and ed448ph. (Of course, specify
whether the parameters are omitted or NULL.) Likewise, if anyone wants
X25519 or X448 certificates, allocate those too.

This aligns with presenting Ed25519 and Ed448 as distinct named algorithms
which is I think fairly common and desirable. And between Ed25519 and
Ed25519ph, the PureEdDSA and HashEdDSA versions don't even share type
signatures, so sharing an algorithm is odd. (PureEdDSA is one function and
HashEdDSA is an IUF triple.)

We only have curve25519, but as an analogy, this is BoringSSL's low-level
curve25519 API:
https://commondatastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-boringssl-docs/curve25519.h.html
Internally, X25519 and Ed25519 functions share code, but it's simplest to
present them as separate free-standing APIs. (Indeed this draft would be
slightly awkward for me to implement because there will no longer be a
clean one-to-one correspondence between signature algorithm and EVP_PKEY
type.)

More generally, I think X.509 key types going forward should follow this
pattern, without all the complex layers of extensible substructure. To
borrow a phrase: have only one joint and keep it well-oiled.

David

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi folks,<div><br></div><div>I have some comments on draft=
-ietf-curdle-pkix-00. This is largely coming from having recently written f=
resh ECPrivateKey, PrivateKeyInfo, and SubjectPublicKeyInfo code for Boring=
SSL and also from thinking how this draft might be implemented.</div><div><=
span style=3D"line-height:1.5"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"line-he=
ight:1.5">First, a small editorial nitpick:</span></div><div><div><br></div=
><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0The raw binary EdDSA public key is encoded directly in t=
he</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0subjectPublicKey BIT STRING object.=C2=A0 Note th=
at unlike some other</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0schemes, there is no additional=
 OCTET STRING encoding step.</div></div><div><br></div><div>This is like RF=
C 3279&#39;s &quot;The DER encoded RSAPublicKey is the value of the BIT<spa=
n style=3D"line-height:1.5">=C2=A0STRING subjectPublicKey&quot;, but I thin=
k this is a type error. As far as I know, an abstract BIT STRING has no inh=
erent a grouping into bytes (of course the grouping that aligns with DER is=
 most natural). RFC 4055 instead explicitly says like:</span></div><div><sp=
an style=3D"line-height:1.5"><br></span></div><div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0To con=
vert a signature value to a bit string, the most significant</div><div>=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0bit of the first octet of the signature value SHALL become the fi=
rst</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0bit of the bit string, and so on through the lea=
st significant bit of</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0the last octet of the signatur=
e value, which SHALL become the last</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0bit of the bit =
string.</div></div><div><br></div><div>While more verbose, I think we shoul=
d be explicit about the type mismatch. (These fields should never have been=
 BIT STRINGs to begin with, but we&#39;ve lost that one.)</div><div><br></d=
iv><div><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">Section 3 is confusing. What is the=
 difference between an id-ecPublicKey + id-Curve25519ph certificate vs. id-=
EdDSAPublicKey + ed25519ph? There shouldn&#39;t be two ways to spell the sa=
me thing. I think the second one is better. X9.62 ECC is shaped very differ=
ently from curve25519/curve448 and I think it is a mistake to try to shoeho=
rn things here.</span><br></div><div><br></div><div>Even ditching X9.62, wh=
y an id-EdDSAPublicKey top-level OID with ENUMERATED parameters? Instead,=
=C2=A0<span style=3D"line-height:1.5">I&#39;d suggest four separate paramet=
er-less algorithm OIDs for ed25519, ed25519ph, ed448, and ed448ph. (Of cour=
se, specify whether the parameters are omitted or NULL.)=C2=A0</span>Likewi=
se, if anyone wants X25519 or X448 certificates, allocate those too.</div><=
div><span style=3D"line-height:1.5"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"li=
ne-height:1.5">This aligns with presenting Ed25519 and Ed448 as distinct na=
med algorithms which is I think fairly common and desirable. And between Ed=
25519 and Ed25519ph, t</span><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">he PureEdDSA a=
nd HashEdDSA versions don&#39;t even share type signatures, so sharing an a=
lgorithm is odd. (PureEdDSA is one function and HashEdDSA is an IUF triple.=
)</span></div><div><span style=3D"line-height:1.5"><br></span></div><div><s=
pan style=3D"line-height:1.5">We only have curve25519, but as an analogy, t=
his is</span><span style=3D"line-height:1.5">=C2=A0BoringSSL&#39;s low-leve=
l curve25519 API:</span></div><div><div><a href=3D"https://commondatastorag=
e.googleapis.com/chromium-boringssl-docs/curve25519.h.html">https://commond=
atastorage.googleapis.com/chromium-boringssl-docs/curve25519.h.html</a></di=
v></div><div>Internally, X25519 and Ed25519 functions share code, but it&#3=
9;s simplest to present them as separate free-standing APIs. (Indeed this d=
raft would be slightly awkward for me to implement because there will no lo=
nger be a clean one-to-one correspondence between signature algorithm and E=
VP_PKEY type.)</div><div><br></div><div><div>More generally, I think X.509 =
key types going forward should follow this pattern, without all the complex=
 layers of extensible substructure. To borrow a phrase: have only one joint=
 and keep it well-oiled.</div></div><div><br></div><div>David</div></div>

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We already have RFC 5753 that specifies the use of ECC with CMS.

I just posted an I-D that specifies the use of ECDH with Curve 25519 and =
Curve 448 with CMS:

	https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-ecdh-new-curves-00.txt

There are a few open issues in the document.  Please read and review.  =
Is this working group willing to adopt it?

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Hi,=20

As mentioned last week, this is a call for adoption for draft-housley-cms-e=
cdh-new-curves-00.txt.=20

This starts a Call for Adoption for "Use of the Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellm=
an Key Agreement Algorithm with
  Curve 25519 and Curve 448 in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)"

The document is available here:
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-ecdh-new-curves-00.txt

Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by=
 CURLDE, and comment to the list, clearly stating your view.  *Speak Up* if=
 you have strong opposition to this work.

This call for adoption ends on April 29.

BR,=20
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Hi,



As mentioned last week, this is a call for adoption for draft-housley-cms-c=
hacha20-poly1305-00.txt.



This starts a Call for Adoption for "Using ChaCha20-Poly1305 Authenticated =
Encryption in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)"



The document is available here:

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt



Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by=
 CURLDE, and comment to the list, clearly stating your view.  *Speak Up* if=
 you have strong opposition to this work.



This call for adoption ends on May 2.



BR,

Rich and Daniel



[Ericsson]<http://www.ericsson.com/>

DANIEL MIGAULT
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Research

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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">As mentioned last week, this is a call for adopti=
on for draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt.
<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">This starts a Call for Adoption for &quot;Using C=
haCha20-Poly1305 Authenticated Encryption in the Cryptographic Message Synt=
ax (CMS)&quot;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">The document is available here:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-housle=
y-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt">https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms=
-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Please review this draft to see if you think it i=
s suitable for adoption by CURLDE, and comment to the list, clearly stating=
 your view.&nbsp; *Speak Up* if you have strong opposition to this work.<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">This call for adoption ends on May 2.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">BR, <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Rich and Daniel <o:p></o:p></p>
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I have reviewed early drafts of this document and feel that it should be
adopted by the working group.  I have some issues with some parts of the
document, but that is normal for documents adopted into a working group.

Jim


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Curdle [mailto:curdle-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Daniel Migault
> Sent: Friday, April 15, 2016 2:52 PM
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> Subject: [Curdle] Call for Adoption for draft-housley-cms-ecdh-new-curves-
> 00.txt
> 
> Hi,
> 
> As mentioned last week, this is a call for adoption for
draft-housley-cms-ecdh-
> new-curves-00.txt.
> 
> This starts a Call for Adoption for "Use of the Elliptic Curve
Diffie-Hellman Key
> Agreement Algorithm with
>   Curve 25519 and Curve 448 in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)"
> 
> The document is available here:
> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-ecdh-new-curves-00.txt
> 
> Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption
by CURLDE,
> and comment to the list, clearly stating your view.  *Speak Up* if you
have
> strong opposition to this work.
> 
> This call for adoption ends on April 29.
> 
> BR,
> Rich and Daniel
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption of the IETF.

        Title           : EdDSA for DNSSEC
        Authors         : Ondrej Sury
                          Robert Edmonds
	Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-eddsa-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2016-04-18

Abstract:
   This document describes how to specify EdDSA keys and signatures in
   DNS Security (DNSSEC).  It uses the Edwards-curve Digital Security
   Algorithm (EdDSA) with the choice of two curves, Ed25519 and Ed448.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-eddsa/

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I just posted an I-D that specifies the use of EdDSA with CMS:

	=
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-eddsa-signatures-00.txt

It makes use of the sam object identifies that Simon used for the =
PKIX-related document.

Please read and review.  Is this working group willing to adopt it?

Russ=


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Dear colleagues,

a new EdDSA for DNSSEC draft has been posted in CURDLE WG and is in need of=
 more reviewers ;).

I merged Ed25519 and Ed448 drafts into one, removed reasoning why EdDSA is =
superior for RFC and I-D in Normative references (thanks goes to Paul Hoffm=
an's review), and introduced using Signature Context[1] in the signatures (=
thanks dkg for introducing me this idea) <-- this one needs more work, beca=
use using Context is defined just for Ed448 and we want to have it also for=
 Ed25519.

Otherwise it's almost ready for WGLC, so if we can get some more reviews be=
fore that, it would be awesome.  Thanks.

1. TL;DR just prepend the prepared data with "DNSSEC SIGNATURE\0" before si=
gning or verifying them.=20

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This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encr=
yption of the IETF.

        Title           : EdDSA for DNSSEC
        Authors         : Ondrej Sury
                          Robert Edmonds
=09Filename        : draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-eddsa-00.txt
=09Pages           : 8
=09Date            : 2016-04-18

Abstract:
   This document describes how to specify EdDSA keys and signatures in
   DNS Security (DNSSEC).  It uses the Edwards-curve Digital Security
   Algorithm (EdDSA) with the choice of two curves, Ed25519 and Ed448.


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Hi,

This is a reminder of the call for adoption. Please provide reviews and fee=
d backs by May 2.

BR,
Daniel

From: Daniel Migault
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:04 PM
To: curdle@ietf.org
Cc: 'Russ Housley'; curdle-chairs
Subject: Call for Adoption for draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt


Hi,



As mentioned last week, this is a call for adoption for draft-housley-cms-c=
hacha20-poly1305-00.txt.



This starts a Call for Adoption for "Using ChaCha20-Poly1305 Authenticated =
Encryption in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)"



The document is available here:

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt



Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by=
 CURLDE, and comment to the list, clearly stating your view.  *Speak Up* if=
 you have strong opposition to this work.



This call for adoption ends on May 2.



BR,

Rich and Daniel



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">BR, <o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D">Daniel<o:p></o:p></spa=
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<b>Subject:</b> Call for Adoption for draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-0=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">As mentioned last week, this is a call for adopti=
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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Hi,=20

This is a reminder of the call for adoption. Please provide reviews and fee=
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BR,=20
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Hi,=20

As mentioned last week, this is a call for adoption for draft-housley-cms-e=
cdh-new-curves-00.txt.=20

This starts a Call for Adoption for "Use of the Elliptic Curve Diffie-Hellm=
an Key Agreement Algorithm with
  Curve 25519 and Curve 448 in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)"

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Please post them. We lost our notes on who did so. :(



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I support adoption of and will review this document.

 

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Hi, 

 

This is a reminder of the call for adoption. Please provide reviews and feed
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BR, 

Daniel

 

From: Daniel Migault 
Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:04 PM
To: curdle@ietf.org <mailto:curdle@ietf.org> 
Cc: 'Russ Housley'; curdle-chairs
Subject: Call for Adoption for draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt

 

Hi, 

 

As mentioned last week, this is a call for adoption for
draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt. 

 

This starts a Call for Adoption for "Using ChaCha20-Poly1305 Authenticated
Encryption in the Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)"

 

The document is available here:

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt

 

Please review this draft to see if you think it is suitable for adoption by
CURLDE, and comment to the list, clearly stating your view.  *Speak Up* if
you have strong opposition to this work.

 

This call for adoption ends on May 2.

 

BR, 

Rich and Daniel 

 

 

 

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal>I support =
adoption of and will review this document.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Jim<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b>From:</b> =
Curdle [mailto:curdle-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel =
Migault<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 26, 2016 1:57 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
curdle@ietf.org<br><b>Cc:</b> curdle-chairs =
&lt;curdle-chairs@ietf.org&gt;; Russ Housley =
&lt;housley@vigilsec.com&gt;<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Curdle] Call for =
Adoption for =
draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>This is a =
reminder of the call for adoption. Please provide reviews and feed backs =
by May 2.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>BR, =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Daniel<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'>From:</span></=
b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif'> =
Daniel Migault <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, April 17, 2016 1:04 =
PM<br><b>To:</b> <a =
href=3D"mailto:curdle@ietf.org">curdle@ietf.org</a><br><b>Cc:</b> 'Russ =
Housley'; curdle-chairs<br><b>Subject:</b> Call for Adoption for =
draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></d=
iv><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Hi, <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>As mentioned last week, this is a call for =
adoption for draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt. =
<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>This starts a Call for Adoption for =
&quot;Using ChaCha20-Poly1305 Authenticated Encryption in the =
Cryptographic Message Syntax (CMS)&quot;<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoPlainText style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>The document is =
available here:<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.=
txt">https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-chacha20-poly1305-00.txt=
</a><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>Please review this draft to see if you think =
it is suitable for adoption by CURLDE, and comment to the list, clearly =
stating your view.&nbsp; *Speak Up* if you have strong opposition to =
this work.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>This call for adoption ends on May =
2.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoPlainText =
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1. It is not completely clear which of the three PKIX related documents are
the current documents.   I am operating under the assumption that this is
the current document and that it replaces the other two documents.  If this
is true, then getting the relationships in the tracker would be nice.

2. I pass this comment on that I got from Ilari on a document that I am
doing for the COSE working group.

It seems like this document mixes up Curve25519
(X25519) and Ed25519 keys. Problem is that Curve25519 public key for some
private key does not equal Ed25519 public key for the same private key...
The same also applies to Curve448 vs. Ed448.

I found this reasoning to be compelling and changed my document so that I
had different curves for the ECDH and EdDSA algorithms.  

3.  I would request that the OIDs for id-Curve25519ph and id-Curve448ph be
removed from section 3.  Having these values in this location makes thing
confusing as they should never appear in a PKIX certificate.  This is
because they are only for the EdDSA algorithms and those algorithms do not
use these values to identify a curve.

4.  Section 3 should reference RFC 5480 which added to the set of algorithm
identifier that use for algorithm identification.

5.  Section 4 - the description of subjectPublicKey should be updated as
this is not restricted to being an EdDSA public key.  Unless you are
planning to duplicate this to deal with ECDH keys separately.

6.  Section 5 - I would like to adamantly argue for the definition of two
different EdDSA signature algorithms.  I would really prefer to have the
pre-hash and the pure versions of EcDSA to be separate algorithms.  They
have different procedures for doing signing.  Additionally, I believe that
it will be quite reasonable for some protocols to define that they will only
support the pure version and not support the pre-hash version. This is a
much easier thing to define if one can separate the signature algorithms and
not have to make the support statement based on the enumeration

7.  Section 6 - need to talk about Key Usage bits for ECDH or tag that this
is only dealing with EdDSA.

8.  Section 5 and 7 - I do not see any reason to have distinct OIDs for the
signature and public key algorithms unless you believe that this is going to
be useful in the future.  Using the same OID makes life easier since it
automatically allows for an easy way to say that this key is only to be used
with this algorithm.

9.  Section 8 -  Remove the OPTIONAL on the parameters field.  I would
really prefer that you defined a different structure for the EdDSA keys as
the use of NamedCurve means that one needs to create an association between
an OID and an enumeration.  I think this is a bad idea, the same value
should be used in both cases.  Having different parameters for the algorithm
depending on where it is encoded (public or private key).  Additionally, one
wants to be able to do the restriction to an EdDSA-ph algorithm.  This means
that one does not use the ECParameters field for those keys.

10.  General - please note that the structure ECParameters from RFC5915 and
RFC5480 is the same as EcpkParameters from RFC3279.  Using two different
names for the same structure looks somewhat confusing.  It would be better
to use ECParameters and not reference 3279 at all.

Jim








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On 4/26/16, 7:24 PM, "Salz, Rich" <rsalz@akamai.com> wrote:
 >Please post them. We lost our notes on who did so.

here's my personal notes in case they are helpful (they are sparse and
somewhat incomplete)..

curdle wg
----------
rsalz presiding

EdDSA in DNSSEC (DNSKEY, RRSIG) -- Ond=C5=99ej Sur=C3=BD, CZ.NIC
see slides
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-curdle-0.pdf

=E2=97=8F Two drafts
   =E2=97=8B draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed25519
   =E2=97=8B draft-ietf-curdle-dnskey-ed448

=E2=97=8F What to do next (hum, hum, hum)?
   =E2=97=8B Keep them separate?
   =E2=97=8B Merge them?
   =E2=97=8B Drop Ed448?


paulh: don't drop ed448

there was successful hum to merge the specs



SIP-Authn using EC-srp5
   this work will be done in sip-core


draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2 -- rsalz presents on behalf of Mark Baushk=
e
  see slides:
https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/slides/slides-95-curdle-1.pdf


  this is larger DH groups for ssh key exchg

  no-one has read it, various will try to do so...

  dkg: thinks using ed448 is fine



discussion of other drafts
  sfarrell- make the changes and go to wglc

  paulh: prob with the pkix ones is the pre-hash thing that cfrg didn't
like...

  yoav: cfrg didn't like either, firewall needs to sign all of it, don't
want to buffer

  jim schaad(js): most protocols we use will not use pre-hash version, bu=
t
we shuold have the oids for those that may use them





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I just posted an I-D that specifies the use of EdDSA with CMS:

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https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-eddsa-signatures-00.txt

It makes use of the sam object identifies that Simon used for the =
PKIX-related document.

Please read and review.  Is this working group willing to adopt it?

Russ=


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On 29 April 2016 at 09:24, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
> It makes use of the sam object identifies that Simon used for the PKIX-related document.

Which doesn't define what to put in the "context" argument to
Ed448[ph].  Though that's an open discussion in the CFRG currently.


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On Apr 28, 2016, at 7:56 PM, Martin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> =
wrote:

> On 29 April 2016 at 09:24, Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com> wrote:
>> It makes use of the sam object identifies that Simon used for the =
PKIX-related document.
>=20
> Which doesn't define what to put in the "context" argument to
> Ed448[ph].  Though that's an open discussion in the CFRG currently.

I=92m watching that discussion.  In addition, Jim Schaad sent me a note =
asking whether the pre-hash versions actually make any sense with CMS.

Russ


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Cc: Russ Housley <housley@vigilsec.com>, "curdle@ietf.org" <curdle@ietf.org>, curdle-chairs <curdle-chairs@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Curdle] Call for Adoption for draft-housley-cms-ecdh-new-curves-00.txt
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> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-housley-cms-ecdh-new-curves-00.txt

+1 support for adoption.

fwiw: I do not have strong opinions about specifying a way to use HKDF
of RFC 5869 as asked in section 2.2 and section 7.

	-- Mark

