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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 14:23:56 -0000 --94eb2c1a6538f48047055cec9ec1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, As we received no agenda items, please note the curdle session is canceled. Yours, Daniel On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi, > > Since we receive no feed back for presentation, I believe we should cancel > the curdle session. Unless someone shows up by tomorrow, we will cancel the > meeting. > > Yours, > Daniel > > On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Daniel Migault < > daniel.migault@ericsson.com> wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> Please let us know by Wednesday October 25 if you are willing to present >> during the meeting. >> >> Yours, >> Rich and Daniel >> >> On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:24 PM, "IETF Secretariat" >> wrote: >> >>> Dear Daniel Migault, >>> >>> The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. >>> Below is the scheduled session information followed by >>> the original request. >>> >>> curdle Session 1 (0:30:00) >>> Thursday, Afternoon Session III 1810-1910 >>> Room Name: VIP A size: 100 >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> >>> >>> >>> Request Information: >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> Working Group Name: CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption >>> Area Name: Security Area >>> Session Requester: Daniel Migault >>> >>> Number of Sessions: 1 >>> Length of Session(s): 30 Minutes >>> Number of Attendees: 15 >>> Conflicts to Avoid: >>> First Priority: acme anima cfrg dnsop dots homenet ipsecme irtfopen >>> lamps lpwan lwig nfvrg quic saag sacm secevent nvo3 tls >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> People who must be present: >>> Eric Rescorla >>> Rich Salz >>> Daniel Migault >>> >>> Resources Requested: >>> >>> Special Requests: >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Curdle mailing list >>> Curdle@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle >>> >> >> > --94eb2c1a6538f48047055cec9ec1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

As we received= no agenda items, please note the curdle session is canceled.

Yours,
Daniel
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 9:09 AM, Daniel Migault= <daniel.migault@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,
=C2=A0
Since we receive no feed back for presentation, I believe we should canc= el the curdle session. Unless someone shows up by tomorrow, we will cancel = the meeting.

Yours,
Daniel

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Daniel Migault = <daniel= .migault@ericsson.com> wrote:
Hi,

Please let us know by = Wednesday October 25 if you are willing to present during the meeting.
<= br>
Yours,
Rich and Daniel

On Fri, Oct 20, 2017 at 8:24 PM, &= quot;IETF Secretariat" <agenda@ietf.org> wrote:
Dear Daniel Migault,

The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.
Below is the scheduled session information followed by
the original request.

curdle Session 1 (0:30:00)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Thursday, Afternoon Session III 1810-1910
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Room Name: VIP A size: 100
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ---------------------------------------------



Request Information:


---------------------------------------------------------
Working Group Name: CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption
Area Name: Security Area
Session Requester: Daniel Migault

Number of Sessions: 1
Length of Session(s):=C2=A0 30 Minutes
Number of Attendees: 15
Conflicts to Avoid:
=C2=A0First Priority: acme anima cfrg dnsop dots homenet ipsecme irtfopen l= amps lpwan lwig nfvrg quic saag sacm secevent nvo3 tls




People who must be present:
=C2=A0 Eric Rescorla
=C2=A0 Rich Salz
=C2=A0 Daniel Migault

Resources Requested:

Special Requests:

---------------------------------------------------------

_______________________________________________
Curdle mailing list
Curdle@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle



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X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 15:54:24 -0000 Hi, The ietf draft Secure Shell (SSH) Key Exchange Method using Curve25519 and Curve448 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-05 needs to be updated before it expires on November 12th. I am under the impression that this is not a controversial document. The http://ssh-comparison.quendi.de/comparison/kex.html document shows that the libssh version curve25519-sha256@libssh.com has been adopted by AsyncSSH, Dropbear, libssh, OpenSSH, RLogin, SmartFTP, SSHJ, Thrussh, TinySSH, TinyTERM (Android), TinyTERM (iOS). Does anyone have any comments on it that I should be adding or text that needs to be changed? Please let me know if any additional changes need to be made to this document. Thank you, -- Mark From nobody Mon Nov 6 19:12:56 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C610813FBB5; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:12:54 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dkFp9C8mksdX; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:12:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from usplmg21.ericsson.net (usplmg21.ericsson.net [198.24.6.65]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE38013FAD7; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 19:12:52 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c6180641-81dff70000007a40-21-5a0124b40fd9 Received: from EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.93]) by usplmg21.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 03.4E.31296.4B4210A5; Tue, 7 Nov 2017 04:12:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC007.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.93]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Mon, 6 Nov 2017 22:12:51 -0500 From: Daniel Migault To: "mdb@juniper.net" , "curdle@ietf.org" CC: "curdle-chairs@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-05 comments? 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X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 03:12:55 -0000 Hi Mark,=20 Thanks. That is of course better to update the draft, so it can be moved fo= rward. However, it can be updated later as well. I suggest we start a WGLC = right after the update is being published. Yours,=20 Daniel -----Original Message----- From: mdb@juniper.net [mailto:mdb@juniper.net]=20 Sent: Monday, November 06, 2017 10:54 AM To: curdle@ietf.org Cc: curdle-chairs@ietf.org Subject: draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-05 comments? Hi, The ietf draft Secure Shell (SSH) Key Exchange Method using Curve25519 and Curve448 https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-05 needs to be updated before it expires on November 12th. I am under the impression that this is not a controversial document. The http://ssh-comparison.quendi.de/comparison/kex.html document shows that= the libssh version curve25519-sha256@libssh.com has been adopted by AsyncS= SH, Dropbear, libssh, OpenSSH, RLogin, SmartFTP, SSHJ, Thrussh, TinySSH, Ti= nyTERM (Android), TinyTERM (iOS). Does anyone have any comments on it that I should be adding or text that ne= eds to be changed? Please let me know if any additional changes need to be made to this docume= nt. Thank you, -- Mark From nobody Sun Nov 12 17:50:39 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01254127517; Sun, 12 Nov 2017 17:50:34 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , ekr@rtfm.com, Daniel Migault , curdle-chairs@ietf.org, curdle@ietf.org, daniel.migault@ericsson.com, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151053783399.21366.5695867507187769835.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 17:50:33 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] Protocol Action: 'Extension Negotiation in Secure Shell (SSH)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info-15.txt) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 01:50:34 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Extension Negotiation in Secure Shell (SSH)' (draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info-15.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Kathleen Moriarty and Eric Rescorla. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info/ Technical Summary This memo updates RFC 4252, RFC 4253, and RFC 4254 to define a mechanism for SSH clients and servers to exchange information about supported protocol extensions confidentially after SSH key exchange. Working Group Summary The only discussion of this draft concerned some incompatibilities with the current implementations of OpenSSH 7.3/7.4 and the "server-sig-algs" extension described in the document. The issue is that 7.3 and 7.4 does not provide the full list of supported algorithms, so client that assume the full list is provided in order to narrow down the identities/keys (adaptive public key algorithm selection) to use for the authentication may not be able to find the appropriated identity. The consensus was that work around should be found when adaptive public key algorithm selection is needed and when interacting with these two implementations. Romen announced "21 May 2017 : Version x509-10.2" [1] that PKIX-SSH implemented such work around. He is the only one that raised this issue. Further explanation can be found in "work with broken "server-sig-algs" extension" [1] as well as Denis email [2]. I am copying the text from [2], as I believe it provides a complete description of the issue: *Server-side situation:* OpenSSH versions before 7.5 (such as 7.3) send the "server-sig-algs" extension, but they only use it to indicate support for "rsa-sha2-512" and "rsa-sha2-256". They do not include other public key algorithms that the server supports, even though the server will accept those algorithms if they are attempted. It is intended that the server should send a complete set of accepted public key algorithms. My understanding is that OpenSSH versions 7.5 and later do this. Bitvise SSH Server has always sent a complete list. *Client-side situation:* There exist clients which have problems with OpenSSH 7.3 behavior, and clients that don't. *Clients with explicit public key configuration.* Bitvise SSH Client does not have a problem with this behavior, because it does not use public keys opportunistically. Our SSH Client will use a public key to authenticate only if the key is explicitly configured by the user. It will use only the requested key, and not other keys that it may find in various places of storage. As a result, our SSH Client has no use for a hint from the server about which key types are OK to use. It already knows the key it's going to use. The question is what signature algorithm (now renamed "public key algorithm") to use with that key. For this purpose, the information sent by OpenSSH is sufficient, regardless of version. For RSA keys, the "server-sig-algs" extension provides the info. For non-RSA keys, there's only one algorithm possible anyway, so we use it. *Clients with opportunistic key search.* Other SSH clients, including OpenSSH and PKIXSSH (Roumen's work) do not require a public key to be explicitly configured in order to be used. Such clients perform an opportunistic search, and try to use any and all keys that might work that can be found in various places of storage. This includes the user's .ssh directory, keys available via the SSH agent protocol, and keys specified on the command line. These types of clients have a problem, because: - In OpenSSH versions 7.5 and higher, the client can use the list of algorithms sent in the server's "server-sig-algs" extension to narrow down the public keys it's going to try. If the server doesn't list ECDSA or DSA, for example, the client can take that as authoritative, and can exclude those keys from authentication. This is nice because it may involve trying fewer keys. - In OpenSSH version 7.3, the server will only send "rsa-sha2-256" and "rsa-sha2-512", even if the server also accepts ECDSA and other algorithms. This means the client needs to have explicit treatment to detect the OpenSSH protocol version. If the OpenSSH version is older than 7.5, "server-sig-algs" can still be used to enable the use of "rsa-sha2-XXXX" instead of "ssh-rsa", but it cannot be used to exclude non-RSA keys in authentication. *Options:* *(A) Rename extension.* Roumen has requested that we rename the "server-sig-algs" extension and make it clear that the server must send all algorithms it will accept. I think this is not the best thing to do for the following reasons: - There are multiple implementations of this extension which are not impacted by the OpenSSH 7.3 issue. These implementations would suffer from the rename. - Implementations that are impacted by the OpenSSH 7.3 issue may still have a requirement to interoperate with OpenSSH 7.5, as well as other servers that currently send "server-sig-algs" with a complete list of algorithms. For such implementations, renaming the extension is again not a fix, but a further complication. *(B) Workaround by clients that need it.* My suggestion is that clients that use opportunistic key search, and wish to interoperate with OpenSSH 7.3, should implement a compatibility workaround for the way "server-sig-algs" is sent by that version. I think this is the better solution for the following reasons: - There are multiple implementations which are already not affected by the issue, whether communicating with OpenSSH or between themselves. In this case, those implementations do not need to change anything. - The work required for clients with opportunistic key search is similar to the work required in above option A), *assuming *those clients want to interoperate with OpenSSH 7.5+ and other existing servers that send "server-sig-algs" with a complete list of algorithms. On May 21 Romen has implemented the work around [1]: work with broken "server-sig-algs" extension Server extension "server-sig-algs" was not implemented properly in OpenSSH 7.3 and 7.4. New version detect broken servers and replaces incorrect algorithm announcement with correct list. For instance OpenSSH 7.3 list only algorithms rsa-sha2-256 and rsa-sha2-512. As result PKIX-SSH functionality for "adaptive public key algorithm selection" in connection to OpenSSH 7.3 skips all other identities except those with RSA key. Document Quality >From the non up-to-date SSH implementation comparison [1], as well from the author/implementer of the draft that the following SSH implementations implement the draft: - Bitvise SSH Server and Client - OpenSSH - AsyncSSH - SmartFTP In addition, Romen the implementer of PKIX-SSH provided significant clarification of the document and the release note of "21 May 2017 : Version x509-10.2" suggests PKIX-SSH supports the current draft. This may be updated regarding the necessity of "adaptive public key algorithm selection" [1] http://ssh-comparison.quendi.de/comparison/hostkey.html [2] http://roumenpetrov.info/secsh/index.html Personnel Daniel Migault is the Document Shepherd and Eric Rescorla is the Responsible Area. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:35:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : Secure Shell (SSH) Key Exchange Method using Curve25519 and Curve448 Authors : Aris Adamantiadis Simon Josefsson Mark D. Baushke Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-06.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2017-11-12 Abstract: This document describes the conventions for using Curve25519 and Curve448 key exchange methods in the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 05:45:11 -0000 I have uploaded a new revision of draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-06. It fixes a few misspelled words and adds a reference to RFC 8174 to augment the RFC 2119 text. It updates section 2.1 to simplify the encoding description. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves/ Please let me know if there are any remaing typos or questions for this draft. Thank you, -- Mark From nobody Tue Nov 14 16:28:35 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 408561250B8; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:28:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.65.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151070570921.25980.13542639771106380176@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:28:29 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:28:29 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : Algorithm Identifiers for Ed25519, Ed448, X25519 and X448 for use in the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Authors : Simon Josefsson Jim Schaad Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07.txt Pages : 18 Date : 2017-11-14 Abstract: This document specifies algorithm identifiers and ASN.1 encoding formats for Elliptic Curve constructs using the curve25519 and curve448 curves. The signature algorithms covered are Ed25519 and Ed448. The key agreement algorithm covered are X25519 and X448. The encoding for Public Key, Private Key and EdDSA digital signature structures is provided. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Nov 14 16:37:47 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEE121200B9 for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:37:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=augustcellars.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1k36PGMZMazP for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:37:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail4.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E7F6A12894A for ; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:37:43 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-us DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=augustcellars.com; s=winery; c=simple/simple; t=1510706253; h=from:subject:to:date:message-id; bh=c08a2Nn39DEwMoEetIHcykXd5gPkgHZIB75K+eswmds=; b=ZDOH0XNxNbqgqvb5FuogaBOQSYjNtjnoLWo4kemGL7ufQEicmZ3CRJO6aqbokmA8VEXvNM2qk1B 8y8H4D68/UceS45osZJgq+UyyBo9xN4ZXGEwsmFvk55Kk8IV7ag/wH9pP0VQh0cuPNhvK4sIoYfai CVx98BAofmoFJ2POp5avS0nr118mJE1oO/66FeZmnKlxDovq4xxv1qXvHMqlxdmRdyNYYB3kiTaxr VaYXcYdXxDdO6p1HDmX42tWl6ZTJCljde68sGcvIZnaIkRfXMJ9Y6b/CnMD5gyJki/q0E9l+2Gimf x7vn4rMMSo/T2XSodXz1KX/8HmgzTdx/Px0g== Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.201) by mail4.augustcellars.com (192.168.1.153) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:37:33 -0800 Received: from Jude (31.133.136.157) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1263.5; Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:36:34 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: References: <151070570945.25980.9040896843907061055.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <151070570945.25980.9040896843907061055.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:37:34 +0800 Message-ID: <014601d35da9$f01d8900$d0589b00$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQHhSIncn7eMTPKQxzX0l3w3DHPeQqL4woxQ X-Originating-IP: [31.133.136.157] Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] FW: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 00:37:46 -0000 This document has a small change that was requested by IANA. It = references the draft which creates the IANA registry for the OIDs used = in this document. Jim -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 8:28 AM To: Jim Schaad ; Simon Josefsson = Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07.txt A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07.txt has been = successfully submitted by Jim Schaad and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-ietf-curdle-pkix Revision: 07 Title: Algorithm Identifiers for Ed25519, Ed448, X25519 and X448 for = use in the Internet X.509 Public Key Infrastructure Document date: 2017-11-14 Group: curdle Pages: 18 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 Abstract: This document specifies algorithm identifiers and ASN.1 encoding formats for Elliptic Curve constructs using the curve25519 and curve448 curves. The signature algorithms covered are Ed25519 and Ed448. The key agreement algorithm covered are X25519 and X448. The encoding for Public Key, Private Key and EdDSA digital signature structures is provided. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. 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