From nobody Mon Jan 1 16:21:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F143012762F; Mon, 1 Jan 2018 16:21:38 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: The IESG , ekr@rtfm.com, Daniel Migault , curdle-chairs@ietf.org, curdle@ietf.org, daniel.migault@ericsson.com, draft-ietf-curdle-rsa-sha2@ietf.org, rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <151485249898.22194.17398996063375614950.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2018 16:21:38 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] Protocol Action: 'Use of RSA Keys with SHA-256 and SHA-512 in Secure Shell (SSH)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-curdle-rsa-sha2-12.txt) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 00:21:39 -0000 The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Use of RSA Keys with SHA-256 and SHA-512 in Secure Shell (SSH)' (draft-ietf-curdle-rsa-sha2-12.txt) as Proposed Standard This document is the product of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Kathleen Moriarty and Eric Rescorla. A URL of this Internet Draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-rsa-sha2/ Technical Summary This memo updates RFC 4252 and RFC 4253 to define new public key algorithms for use of RSA keys with SHA-2 hashing for server and client authentication in SSH connections. Working Group Summary One discussion point concerned the use of PSS signature. The WG consensus was that they were no plan to implement this, while pkcs1v1.5 does not present major flows, As a result, it was agreed to stay with pkcs1v1.5 for now. This has been clearly explained in section 5.3. Another discussion was related to draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info and interoperability between SSH implementation with that latest extension. The discussion is somehow unrelated to this draft except that the draft recommends the use of this extension so the client knows in advance the server supports the rsa-sha2-* public key algorithms. The motivation is that some servers implements a penalties when client use non supported public key algorithms. I do not think the discussion affects the current draft as: * the current draft only provides a recommendation of using draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info. * the current draft provides alternatives ( no penalties, using the new algorithms as default, ...). * the draft comments the transition to the new algorithms in section 5.2. Note that Roumen the implementer of PKIX-SSH raised the draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info issue and implement the current draft using the defined algorithms as default. (cf. release note of "25 Mar 2017 : Version x509-10.1" . """ new RSA key algorithms This version supports new public key algorithms: rsa-sha2-256 (default) and rsa-sha2-512. Client and agent will use them only if server announce them in one of extensions mentioned above. """ I also believe we have found consensus on the draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-ext-info draft. [1] http://roumenpetrov.info/secsh/index.html Document Quality >From the non up-to-date SSH implementation comparison [1], as well from the author/implementer of the draft that the following SSH implementations implement the draft: - Bitvise SSH Server and Client - OpenSSH - AsyncSSH - SmartFTP In addition, Romen the implementer of PKIX-SSH provided significant clarification of the document and the release note of "25 Mar 2017 : Version x509-10.1" suggests PKIX-SSH supports the current draft. [1] http://ssh-comparison.quendi.de/comparison/hostkey.html [2] http://roumenpetrov.info/secsh/index.html Personnel Daniel Migault is the document shepherd and Eric Rescorla is the Security Area Director. From nobody Tue Jan 2 01:28:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3BCA126E3A; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 01:28:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151488531270.22182.13333200407453433235@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 01:28:32 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-07.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 09:28:33 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : Secure Shell (SSH) Key Exchange Method using Curve25519 and Curve448 Authors : Aris Adamantiadis Simon Josefsson Mark D. Baushke Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-07.txt Pages : 6 Date : 2018-01-02 Abstract: This document describes the conventions for using Curve25519 and Curve448 key exchange methods in the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-07 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-07 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-07 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Jan 2 07:38:38 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B941241F5 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 07:38:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3GWHP8tkeEAO for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from welho-filter3.welho.com (welho-filter3.welho.com [83.102.41.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B0EE4129C5D for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 07:38:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by welho-filter3.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6D74659E for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:38:32 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at pp.htv.fi Received: from welho-smtp3.welho.com ([IPv6:::ffff:83.102.41.86]) by localhost (welho-filter3.welho.com [::ffff:83.102.41.25]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8aKKWiTn9vY3 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:38:31 +0200 (EET) Received: from LK-Perkele-VII (87-92-19-27.bb.dnainternet.fi [87.92.19.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by welho-smtp3.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DBCB82308 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:38:30 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:38:25 +0200 From: Ilari Liusvaara To: curdle@ietf.org Message-ID: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Sender: ilariliusvaara@welho.com Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 15:38:37 -0000 draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 has this: Intended RFC status: Internet Standard I presume that should be Proposed Standard instead. (Also, I have not seen any action on this draft for over 1.5 months (last I saw was posting a new version)). -Ilari From nobody Tue Jan 2 08:38:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED47412D7E6 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 08:38:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NS3W6ircr-nw for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 08:37:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E010B124319 for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 08:37:58 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c618062d-8d7ff70000004288-3b-5a4bb564fd1f Received: from EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.96]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 8C.7D.17032.465BB4A5; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 17:37:57 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB107.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.124]) by EUSAAHC008.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.96]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:37:56 -0500 From: Daniel Migault To: Ilari Liusvaara , "curdle@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status Thread-Index: AQHTg9/GcXJIVvnDUkqXFn40tBk2yKNgxEPg Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 16:37:55 +0000 Message-ID: <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D356CC@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> References: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> In-Reply-To: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrALMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXRPgm7qVu8og+eXeS22LpzFbPF+93QW ByaPJUt+Mnnc7p7DFsAUxWWTkpqTWZZapG+XwJVx8tl6toItfBUNb7awNDC28HUxcnBICJhI zNrM2cXIxSEkcIRRouF1A1MXIyeQs4xRYvoJDxCbTcBIou1QPzuILSIQKtH8bAJYjbCAvcSk X5eZIeIOEu37rzFC2EYS267NAbNZBFQkVs45DNbLK+Ar8eDOVGaI+cYS9w4uZAWxOYFu2L5i DwuIzSggJvH91Bqw+cwC4hK3nswHsyUEBCSW7DnPDGGLSrx8/I8VwlaS+Ph7PjvIL8wCmhLr d+lDtCpKTOl+CLVWUOLkzCcsExhFZiGZOguhYxaSjllIOhYwsqxi5CgtLsjJTTcy2MQIDPdj Emy6OxjvT/c8xCjAwajEw3tzo3eUEGtiWXFl7iFGCQ5mJRFehmqgEG9KYmVValF+fFFpTmrx IUZpDhYlcd4znrxRQgLpiSWp2ampBalFMFkmDk6pBsa228Lp1TF+qzbdnJ+WcdNz947zl8Vm n9WccaRt2wft2m893Is3OUkulroR9yDlfdjvuN69Bra8281e6FlzOP+Ktd3TtNd5S7r+48ke c1Nqe1lmt8s+ihBdfcNhnnWB+Z3VNnmVN7a/2xKu8vD2232cBwRv3giymHhty2FtPZHpGVvz LN02MbQosRRnJBpqMRcVJwIA0IjmI3MCAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." 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Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:56:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from a860b60074bd.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EC3A530056C; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:56:47 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 11:57:13 -0500 Cc: curdle@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> To: Ilari Liusvaara X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 16:56:53 -0000 It says: > Network Working Group S. = Josefsson > Internet-Draft SJD = AB > Intended status: Standards Track J. = Schaad > Expires: May 18, 2018 August = Cellars > November 14, = 2017 Standards track is correct. Russ > On Jan 2, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Ilari Liusvaara = wrote: >=20 > draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 has this: >=20 > Intended RFC status: Internet Standard=20 >=20 > I presume that should be Proposed Standard instead. >=20 >=20 > (Also, I have not seen any action on this draft for over 1.5 months > (last I saw was posting a new version)). >=20 >=20 > -Ilari From nobody Tue Jan 2 09:22:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A3D0124239; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 09:22:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151491376930.22636.10366524221091026456@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 09:22:49 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:22:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : Key Exchange (KEX) Method Updates and Recommendations for Secure Shell (SSH) Author : Mark D. Baushke Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-02 Abstract: This document is intended to update the recommended set of key exchange methods for use in the Secure Shell (SSH) protocol to meet evolving needs for stronger security. This document updates RFC 4250. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 17:38:03 -0000 Hi Daniel, I believe I have addressed all of your comments with the draft-ietf-curdle-= ssh-kex-sha2-10 revision which I have uploaded. (URL: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10 ) If anyone else has issues with the draft, please let me know. --=20 Mark D. Baushke mdb@juniper.net From nobody Tue Jan 2 10:52:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7366612D80E for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:52:42 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3bgV_n7IhPvh for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:52:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from welho-filter4.welho.com (welho-filter4.welho.com [83.102.41.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D6BF012D7EF for ; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 10:52:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by welho-filter4.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19DE297A9B; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:52:37 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at pp.htv.fi Received: from welho-smtp2.welho.com ([IPv6:::ffff:83.102.41.85]) by localhost (welho-filter4.welho.com [::ffff:83.102.41.26]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 42pClL-Bz_M6; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:52:36 +0200 (EET) Received: from LK-Perkele-VII (87-92-19-27.bb.dnainternet.fi [87.92.19.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by welho-smtp2.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 80BF7286; Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:52:34 +0200 (EET) Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2018 20:52:28 +0200 From: Ilari Liusvaara To: Russ Housley Cc: curdle@ietf.org Message-ID: <20180102185228.GA19519@LK-Perkele-VII> References: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Sender: ilariliusvaara@welho.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2018 18:52:42 -0000 On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 11:57:13AM -0500, Russ Housley wrote: > > On Jan 2, 2018, at 10:38 AM, Ilari Liusvaara wrote: > > > > draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 has this: > > > > Intended RFC status: Internet Standard > > > > I presume that should be Proposed Standard instead. > > > > > > -Ilari > > It says: > > > Network Working Group S. Josefsson > > Internet-Draft SJD AB > > Intended status: Standards Track J. Schaad > > Expires: May 18, 2018 August Cellars > > November 14, 2017 > > Standards track is correct. > Oh, sorry, I mean this: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-pkix/ : Document Type: Active Internet-Draft (curdle WG) Last updated: 2017-11-14 Replaces: draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-newcurves, draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-eddsa Stream: IETF Intended RFC status: Internet Standard ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Formats: .... -Ilari From nobody Fri Jan 5 08:33:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 484D612704A for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:33:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rVJVsrEXW4Cw for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:33:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from welho-filter3.welho.com (welho-filter3.welho.com [83.102.41.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BC9351267BB for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:33:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by welho-filter3.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0475A5DE99; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 18:33:39 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at pp.htv.fi Received: from welho-smtp2.welho.com ([IPv6:::ffff:83.102.41.85]) by localhost (welho-filter3.welho.com [::ffff:83.102.41.25]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PjXnW4pbZNEZ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 18:33:38 +0200 (EET) Received: from LK-Perkele-VII (87-92-19-27.bb.dnainternet.fi [87.92.19.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by welho-smtp2.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 78EAF286; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 18:33:36 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 18:33:36 +0200 From: Ilari Liusvaara To: Daniel Migault Cc: "curdle@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20180105163336.GA4683@LK-Perkele-VII> References: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D356CC@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D356CC@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Sender: ilariliusvaara@welho.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:33:44 -0000 On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 04:37:55PM +0000, Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi IIlari, > > Thank you for the follow up. I just received a few days ago a > notification to complete the "Document Quality" section in the > shepherd writeup which requires a a status on the implementations. > I sent a few hours a go a request to the co-authors of known > implementations. If you are aware of such implementations, feel > free to create a new project at [1]. > > You can also let us know on the mailing (with associated URLs) > these projects so I can complete code stand as well as the shepherd > writeup. I am happy to complete it today 😉 > > For the status you are correct but I believe it should not cause any issue. I do not have/know full implementation, however I do have a partial implementation in context of TLS: - Ed25519/Ed448 PKIX public keys in certificates. - (Ed25519/Ed448 TLS exchange signatures -- covered by TLS docs) - Ed25519/Ed448 PKIX certificate signatures. And GnuTLS 3.6.1 supports at least: - Ed25519 PKIX private keys (at least v1) - Ed25519 PKIX public keys in certificates - (Ed25519 TLS exchange signatures -- covered by TLS docs) - Ed25519 PKIX certificate signatures. My implementation interoperates with GnuTLS 3.6.1 on TLS handshake with both Ed25519 server signature and certificate signature. - Server: My implementation, all settings at defaults. - Client: GnuTLS 3.6, all settings at defaults except trustpile replaced with custom one. - Certificate 0: EE, Ed25519 key, Ed25519 signature. - Certificate 1: CA, Ed25519 key, RSA-PSS-SHA256 signature. - Certificate 2: CA, RSAEncryption key, RSA-PKCS1-SHA256 signature. - Certificate 3: CA, RSAEncryption key, self-signed. [Not sent]. - Negotiated TLS versionn: TLS 1.2 + RENEGO + EMS. (The key exchange used is ECDHE_ECDSA for technical reasons, however, there are no actual ECDSA used anywhere). Client status at end of handshake: - Description: (TLS1.2)-(ECDHE-X25519)-(EdDSA-Ed25519)-(CHACHA20-POLY1305) - Session ID: (empty) - Ephemeral EC Diffie-Hellman parameters - Using curve: X25519 - Curve size: 256 bits - Version: TLS1.2 - Key Exchange: ECDHE-ECDSA - Server Signature: EdDSA-Ed25519 - Cipher: CHACHA20-POLY1305 - MAC: AEAD - Options: extended master secret, safe renegotiation, - Handshake was completed Server status at end of handshake: Handshake complete, crypto parameters: - TLS version: 1.2 - Encryption: Chacha20-Poly1305 - PRF: SHA-256 - Key Exchange: X25519 - Server Signature: Ed25519 - Triple Handshake attack: Fixed - OCSP stapling: No - Certificate Transparency: No -Ilari From nobody Fri Jan 5 08:36:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25BB31267BB; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:36:14 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Daniel Migault To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Cc: Daniel Migault , iesg-secretary@ietf.org, curdle@ietf.org, daniel.migaultf@ericsson.com, curdle-chairs@ietf.org Message-ID: <151517017414.14755.17052102890372554835.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 08:36:14 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] Publication has been requested for draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10 X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 16:36:14 -0000 Daniel Migault has requested publication of draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2-10 as Proposed Standard on behalf of the CURDLE working group. Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-kex-sha2/ From nobody Fri Jan 5 08:42:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63681126DFF for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:42:30 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4krtbj4pNPEm for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:42:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from usplmg20.ericsson.net (usplmg20.ericsson.net [198.24.6.45]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 806B21267BB for ; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 08:42:28 -0800 (PST) X-AuditID: c618062d-8d7ff70000004288-19-5a4faaf32ad5 Received: from EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [147.117.188.75]) by usplmg20.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 95.29.17032.3FAAF4A5; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 17:42:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from EUSAAMB108.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.125]) by EUSAAHC001.ericsson.se ([147.117.188.75]) with mapi id 14.03.0352.000; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 11:42:26 -0500 From: Daniel Migault To: "ilariliusvaara@welho.com" CC: "curdle@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status Thread-Index: AQHTg9/GcXJIVvnDUkqXFn40tBk2yKNgxEPggAUNrQD//655oA== Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 16:42:25 +0000 Message-ID: <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D3D01C@eusaamb108.ericsson.se> References: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D356CC@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> <20180105163336.GA4683@LK-Perkele-VII> In-Reply-To: <20180105163336.GA4683@LK-Perkele-VII> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [147.117.188.11] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFnrHLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyuXSPt+7nVf5RBseOG1hsXTiL2eL97uks DkweS5b8ZPK43T2HLYApissmJTUnsyy1SN8ugSvj37v1LAVXFCs2buxjbGB8otDFyMkhIWAi sWPJP7YuRi4OIYEjjBIXG3ezQjjLGCX+b5nDDFLFJmAk0Xaonx3EFhGwlNjx/BsbiM0soC7x racDrEZYwF5i0q/LzBA1DhLt+68xQthOEnNnrgWrZxFQkVjb1QAW5xXwlbjR948dYtkCRonV p4+xdDFycHAKGEvsO1oKUsMoICbx/dQaJohd4hK3nsxngrhaQGLJnvPMELaoxMvH/1ghbCWJ j7/ns4OMYRbQlFi/Sx+iVVFiSvdDdoi1ghInZz5hmcAoOgvJ1FkIHbOQdMxC0rGAkWUVI0dp cUFObrqRwSZGYCwck2DT3cF4f7rnIUYBDkYlHt75K/yjhFgTy4orcw8xSnAwK4nwchr5RQnx piRWVqUW5ccXleakFh9ilOZgURLnPePJGyUkkJ5YkpqdmlqQWgSTZeLglGpgDLkv9WTnE92c k1M5yncevD6vpF78XdTMArHka1mLFr2wcnr3K+6CyIMcRcXj0Tm5AdvNnvPbxwW23xGV4cmR WcYpubegfVn74QVaYW5zthvfu2hyMm3NQVE+Z2ndnw8Tehed/F6epKX2aP0vf2/Z0tNvOjct b3d41ZhUN++x9b3pd+3k4u8FKbEUZyQaajEXFScCAFs+PF6BAgAA Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." 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Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:20:01 +0200 (EET) Received: from LK-Perkele-VII (87-92-19-27.bb.dnainternet.fi [87.92.19.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by welho-smtp2.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id AE05C72; Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:19:59 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2018 21:19:59 +0200 From: Ilari Liusvaara To: Daniel Migault Cc: "curdle@ietf.org" Message-ID: <20180105191959.GA5382@LK-Perkele-VII> References: <20180102153825.GA19225@LK-Perkele-VII> <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D356CC@eusaamb107.ericsson.se> <20180105163336.GA4683@LK-Perkele-VII> <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D3D01C@eusaamb108.ericsson.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <2DD56D786E600F45AC6BDE7DA4E8A8C118D3D01C@eusaamb108.ericsson.se> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Sender: ilariliusvaara@welho.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2018 19:20:10 -0000 On Fri, Jan 05, 2018 at 04:42:25PM +0000, Daniel Migault wrote: > Thanks for the response. I updated the shepherd writeup with these information. I think one might have summarized the information instead of just pasting the (longish) post. Maybe something like: GnuTLS 3.6.1 supports Ed25519 private keys, certificate public keys and keys and certificate signatures specified in this document. Ilari has an TLS implementation that supports Ed25519 and Ed448 certificate public keys and certificate signatures specified in this document. The totally independent implementation interoperates with GnuTLS 3.6.1. > -----Original Message----- > From: ilariliusvaara@welho.com [mailto:ilariliusvaara@welho.com] > Sent: Friday, January 05, 2018 11:34 AM > To: Daniel Migault > Cc: curdle@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Curdle] draft-ietf-curdle-pkix-07 intended status > > On Tue, Jan 02, 2018 at 04:37:55PM +0000, Daniel Migault wrote: > > Hi IIlari, > > > > Thank you for the follow up. I just received a few days ago a > > notification to complete the "Document Quality" section in the > > shepherd writeup which requires a a status on the implementations. > > I sent a few hours a go a request to the co-authors of known > > implementations. If you are aware of such implementations, feel free > > to create a new project at [1]. > > > > You can also let us know on the mailing (with associated URLs) these > > projects so I can complete code stand as well as the shepherd writeup. > > I am happy to complete it today 😉 > > > > For the status you are correct but I believe it should not cause any issue. > > I do not have/know full implementation, however I do have a partial implementation in context of TLS: > > - Ed25519/Ed448 PKIX public keys in certificates. > - (Ed25519/Ed448 TLS exchange signatures -- covered by TLS docs) > - Ed25519/Ed448 PKIX certificate signatures. > > And GnuTLS 3.6.1 supports at least: > > - Ed25519 PKIX private keys (at least v1) > - Ed25519 PKIX public keys in certificates > - (Ed25519 TLS exchange signatures -- covered by TLS docs) > - Ed25519 PKIX certificate signatures. > > > My implementation interoperates with GnuTLS 3.6.1 on TLS handshake with both Ed25519 server signature and certificate signature. > > - Server: My implementation, all settings at defaults. > - Client: GnuTLS 3.6, all settings at defaults except trustpile > replaced with custom one. > - Certificate 0: EE, Ed25519 key, Ed25519 signature. > - Certificate 1: CA, Ed25519 key, RSA-PSS-SHA256 signature. > - Certificate 2: CA, RSAEncryption key, RSA-PKCS1-SHA256 signature. > - Certificate 3: CA, RSAEncryption key, self-signed. [Not sent]. > - Negotiated TLS versionn: TLS 1.2 + RENEGO + EMS. > > (The key exchange used is ECDHE_ECDSA for technical reasons, however, there are no actual ECDSA used anywhere). > > > Client status at end of handshake: > > - Description: (TLS1.2)-(ECDHE-X25519)-(EdDSA-Ed25519)-(CHACHA20-POLY1305) > - Session ID: (empty) > - Ephemeral EC Diffie-Hellman parameters > - Using curve: X25519 > - Curve size: 256 bits > - Version: TLS1.2 > - Key Exchange: ECDHE-ECDSA > - Server Signature: EdDSA-Ed25519 > - Cipher: CHACHA20-POLY1305 > - MAC: AEAD > - Options: extended master secret, safe renegotiation, > - Handshake was completed > > > Server status at end of handshake: > > > Handshake complete, crypto parameters: > - TLS version: 1.2 > - Encryption: Chacha20-Poly1305 > - PRF: SHA-256 > - Key Exchange: X25519 > - Server Signature: Ed25519 > - Triple Handshake attack: Fixed > - OCSP stapling: No > - Certificate Transparency: No > > > -Ilari From nobody Wed Jan 10 10:12:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75713126C22; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:11:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.68.3 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151560791645.18423.11392259435534306325@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:11:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:11:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : Depreciating RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH) Author : Luis Camara Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05.txt Pages : 4 Date : 2018-01-10 Abstract: This document depreciates RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH). Therefore, this document updates RFC 4253, and formally obsoletes and moves to Historic RFC 4345. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Jan 10 10:40:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38632127010 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:40:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PvMugm78rS_u for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [209.132.183.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 18978124BAC for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 10:40:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8C4E351EED for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ovpn-117-234.phx2.redhat.com (ovpn-117-234.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.117.234]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 451CB5E1C7 for ; Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1515609602.3239.30.camel@redhat.com> From: Simo Sorce To: curdle Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 13:40:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <151560791645.18423.11392259435534306325@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151560791645.18423.11392259435534306325@ietfa.amsl.com> Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.16 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.30]); Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:40:03 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2018 18:40:11 -0000 Sorry, this is a pet peeve of mine. The words you are looking for are deprecating and deprecates, not depreciating and depreciates. >From a dictionary: - deprecate VERB be deprecated (chiefly of a software feature) be usable but regarded as obsolete and best avoided, typically because it has been superseded. ‘this feature is deprecated and will be removed in later versions’ ‘avoid the deprecated element that causes text to flash on and off’ - depreciate VERB Diminish in value over a period of time. ‘the latest cars will depreciate heavily in the first year’ While I really see that deprecation will also diminish the value of RC4 and thus lead to depreciation, I think you really want to deprecate it here. :-) HTH, Simo. On Wed, 2018-01-10 at 10:11 -0800, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. > > Title : Depreciating RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH) > Author : Luis Camara > Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05.txt > Pages : 4 > Date : 2018-01-10 > > Abstract: > This document depreciates RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH). Therefore, this > document updates RFC 4253, and formally obsoletes and moves to > Historic RFC 4345. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Curdle mailing list > Curdle@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle -- Simo Sorce Sr. Principal Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc From nobody Wed Jan 17 07:25:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EEF3129C53; Wed, 17 Jan 2018 07:25:19 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Alexey Melnikov To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org, Daniel Migault , curdle-chairs@ietf.org, daniel.migault@ericsson.com, curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151620271912.10836.6912918470473373415.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 07:25:19 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] Alexey Melnikov's Yes on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Jan 2018 15:25:19 -0000 Alexey Melnikov has entered the following ballot position for draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: Yes When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Nit: 1. Introduction After those registrations were done, there were still some unused values that can be used for other security groups, there were still some unused values. I think the last "there were still some unused values" should be deleted. From nobody Mon Jan 22 12:45:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 113FD126D73; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:45:02 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.69.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151665390201.32109.11481721799401653329@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:45:02 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-04.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:45:02 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : GSS-API Key Exchange with SHA2 Authors : Simo Sorce Hubert Kario Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-04.txt Pages : 16 Date : 2018-01-22 Abstract: This document specifies additions and amendments to RFC4462. It defines a new key exchange method that uses SHA-2 for integrity and deprecates weak DH groups. The purpose of this specification is to modernize the cryptographic primitives used by GSS Key Exchanges. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Jan 22 12:46:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0239912D0C3 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:46:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vwx0qFpGZPFA for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:46:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [209.132.183.28]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9DEE612D7E6 for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 12:45:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx03.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.13]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 60D964ACBB; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ovpn-117-243.phx2.redhat.com (ovpn-117-243.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.117.243]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A81317DD0; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:45:57 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <1516653956.13097.35.camel@redhat.com> From: Simo Sorce To: Daniel Migault , curdle Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 15:45:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: References: Organization: Red Hat, Inc. Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.13 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:45:58 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] comments on draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-03 X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 20:46:04 -0000 I just posted -04, hopefully it fixes all reported issues. Some nits are "artwork" so I have no changed anything in there. Simo. On Tue, 2017-12-19 at 19:16 -0500, Daniel Migault wrote: > Hi, > > Please find my review for draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-03 [1]. > > The corresponding shepherd write-up can be found here[2]. Feel free to > comment as well. > > > [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-03 > [2] > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2/shepherdwriteup/ > > section 4, 5.2 > > I believe that "RECOMMENDED" and "OPTIONAL" can be removed and are > redundant with SHOULD / MAY. > > References: > > [FIPS-180-4] is referenced, but not mentioned in the text. > > 'NIST-SP-800-131Ar1' should be moved as informative references > in my opinion. The reference is provided to justify the rational, > not to describe the protocol. > > ISO-IEC-8825-1 is a reference for ASN1. It seems to me that > informational is the right place. > > [I-D.ietf-curdle-ssh-modp-dh-sha2] is now an RFC, I believe it > should be an informational document rather than a normative > document as it is only cited as an example to move from SHA1 to sha2. > > RFC6194] Polk, T., Chen, L., Turner, S., and P. Hoffman, "Security > Considerations for the SHA-0 and SHA-1 Message-Digest Algorithms" > should be in my opinion an informational reference. > > It would be good to add a link to the IANA in the IANA section > registry and have it as an informational reference. > > The draft mentions the SSH algorithm registry, but I am not > sure that is the correct registry. instead, the Key Exchange > Method Names registry might be more appropriated. > > > here is the output of the nits: > > idnits 2.15.00 > > tmp/draft-ietf-curdle-gss-keyex-sha2-03.txt: > > Checking boilerplate required by RFC 5378 and the IETF Trust (see > https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info): > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No issues found here. > > Checking nits according to https://www.ietf.org/id-info/1id-guidelines.txt: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > No issues found here. > > Checking nits according to https://www.ietf.org/id-info/checklist : > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ** The abstract seems to contain references ([RFC4462]), which it > shouldn't. Please replace those with straight textual mentions of the > documents in question. > > -- The draft header indicates that this document updates RFC4462, but the > abstract doesn't seem to directly say this. It does mention RFC4462 > though, so this could be OK. > > > Miscellaneous warnings: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > == Line 412 has weird spacing: '... string out...' > > == Line 418 has weird spacing: '... string ser...' > > == Line 430 has weird spacing: '... string out...' > > == Line 443 has weird spacing: '... string out...' > > == Line 457 has weird spacing: '... string mic...' > > == (2 more instances...) > > (Using the creation date from RFC4462, updated by this document, for > RFC5378 checks: 2005-08-23) > > -- The document seems to lack a disclaimer for pre-RFC5378 work, but may > have content which was first submitted before 10 November 2008. If you > have contacted all the original authors and they are all willing to grant > the BCP78 rights to the IETF Trust, then this is fine, and you can ignore > this comment. If not, you may need to add the pre-RFC5378 disclaimer. > (See the Legal Provisions document at > https://trustee.ietf.org/license-info for more information.) > > -- The document date (December 12, 2017) is 7 days in the past. Is this > intentional? > > > Checking references for intended status: Proposed Standard > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > (See RFCs 3967 and 4897 for information about using normative references > to lower-maturity documents in RFCs) > > == Unused Reference: 'FIPS-180-4' is defined on line 637, but no explicit > reference was found in the text > > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'ANSI-X9-62-2005' > > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'FIPS-180-4' > > == Outdated reference: A later version (-06) exists of > draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-curves-04 > > == Outdated reference: draft-ietf-curdle-ssh-modp-dh-sha2 has been > published as RFC 8268 > > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'ISO-IEC-8825-1' > > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. > 'NIST-SP-800-131Ar1' > > ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 1321 > > ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 6194 > > ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 7546 > > ** Downref: Normative reference to an Informational RFC: RFC 7748 > > -- Possible downref: Non-RFC (?) normative reference: ref. 'SEC2v2' > > > Summary: 5 errors (**), 0 flaws (~~), 9 warnings (==), 8 comments (--). > > Run idnits with the --verbose option for more detailed information about > the items above. > _______________________________________________ > Curdle mailing list > Curdle@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle -- Simo Sorce Sr. Principal Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc From nobody Mon Jan 22 13:14:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25C0212D77E for ; Mon, 22 Jan 2018 13:14:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.12 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.38]); Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:13:49 +0000 (UTC) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] FW: I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2018 22:13:52 -0000 On Mon, 2018-01-22 at 21:13 +0000, Salz, Rich wrote: > I found two typo’s in this document. Section 1 mentions Kerberos. Section 3 “it MUST NOT” should remove the “it” > > Any objection to starting a WGLC on this ? speak up by Friday. A one-week WGLC. > > This document has the most vehemence per page that I have seen in some time :) Congratulations. There are many changes I would like to see to the text besides the depreciate -> deprecate one I noted before (without answer). For example The Security Considerations read awkwardly to me: "This document depreciates RC4, that is obsolete cryptography, and    several attacks that render it useless have been published    published" I am not sure the text actually belongs in Security Considerations, given the text there can't do anything else but vehemently repeat what's in he main text, but if that content needs to be there that it would need to read something like: This document deprecates the usage of RC4 in SSH. The RC4 stream cipher is obsolete and several attacks that compromise its usefulness have been published ... HTH, Simo. > On 1/10/18, 1:12 PM, "internet-drafts@ietf.org" wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. > This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. > > Title : Depreciating RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH) > Author : Luis Camara > Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05.txt > Pages : 4 > Date : 2018-01-10 > > Abstract: > This document depreciates RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH). Therefore, this > document updates RFC 4253, and formally obsoletes and moves to > Historic RFC 4345. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-05 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Curdle mailing list > Curdle@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle > > > _______________________________________________ > Curdle mailing list > Curdle@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle -- Simo Sorce Sr. Principal Software Engineer Red Hat, Inc From nobody Wed Jan 24 09:27:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A146F1270AB; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:27:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind?= To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org, Daniel Migault , curdle-chairs@ietf.org, daniel.migault@ericsson.com, curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151681484965.22545.15252456879321511703.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 09:27:29 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] =?utf-8?q?Mirja_K=C3=BChlewind=27s_No_Objection_on_draft?= =?utf-8?q?-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02=3A_=28with_COMMENT=29?= X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:27:30 -0000 Mirja Kühlewind has entered the following ballot position for draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I already appreciate that the Object Identifier Range was donated by Symantec, however, I wonder if "donated Symantec" needs to appear in the title...? From nobody Wed Jan 24 15:42:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D673F12D7F4; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:42:17 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Adam Roach To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org, Daniel Migault , curdle-chairs@ietf.org, daniel.migault@ericsson.com, curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:42:17 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:42:18 -0000 Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it would be useful to include explicit entries in the initial IANA table indicating those values which are currently unassigned (i.e., add a range for 101-109 and 116-127.) For this use in particular, where overstepping the bounds of the allocation would impinge on codes retained by Symantec, this seems even more important than typical. From nobody Wed Jan 24 15:54:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2196D12D850; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:54:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.911 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.911 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ncm6WMC72AM2; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:53:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C40B312D837; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:53:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:52:16 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Adam Roach' , 'The IESG' CC: , 'Daniel Migault' , , , References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 15:53:47 -0800 Message-ID: <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQE6+Vz8klSbXdx8LQNgOiRcw6p8H6S06cSw Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 23:54:00 -0000 Would adding the following lines be an adequate replacement? 0 - 99 | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] 128+ | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] I think this is more in line with normality that having a list of "this = value open for registration". Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:42 PM > To: The IESG > Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org; Daniel Migault > ; curdle-chairs@ietf.org; > daniel.migault@ericsson.com; curdle@ietf.org > Subject: Adam Roach's No Objection on = draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: > (with COMMENT) >=20 > Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for > draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: No Objection >=20 > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all = email > addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory > paragraph, however.) >=20 >=20 > Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >=20 >=20 > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ >=20 >=20 >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > COMMENT: > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >=20 > I think it would be useful to include explicit entries in the initial = IANA table > indicating those values which are currently unassigned (i.e., add a = range for > 101-109 and 116-127.) For this use in particular, where overstepping = the > bounds of the allocation would impinge on codes retained by Symantec, = this > seems even more important than typical. >=20 From nobody Wed Jan 24 16:01:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BBD612AF6E; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:01:02 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G4u9BWJgZZpY; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5147F12D834; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 16:01:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from Svantevit.local (99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228]) (authenticated bits=0) by nostrum.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id w0P00MoH043215 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:00:23 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from adam@nostrum.com) X-Authentication-Warning: raven.nostrum.com: Host 99-152-146-228.lightspeed.dllstx.sbcglobal.net [99.152.146.228] claimed to be Svantevit.local To: Jim Schaad , "'The IESG'" Cc: daniel.migault@ericsson.com, curdle-chairs@ietf.org, curdle@ietf.org, draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> From: Adam Roach Message-ID: <0c489bdd-893c-04c8-2875-8aff11ab3581@nostrum.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 18:00:17 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 00:01:03 -0000 On 1/24/18 5:53 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > Would adding the following lines be an adequate replacement? > > 0 - 99 | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] > 128+ | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] Yep, that's good also. > I think this is more in line with normality that having a list of "this value open for registration". To be clear, I find your solution above to be fine without any additional changes; however, I would like to note that assignable ranges are handled both with and without explicit table entries; see the following for contrasting approaches: https://www.iana.org/assignments/http-status-codes/http-status-codes.xhtml https://www.iana.org/assignments/sip-parameters/sip-parameters.xhtml#sip-parameters-7 /a From nobody Wed Jan 24 17:59:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF16612D88E; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:59:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.72 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.72 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=cooperw.in header.b=DrvGsdGw; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=messagingengine.com header.b=qLZIAGC5 Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hiLGwL6wCPuf; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:59:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1-smtp.messagingengine.com (out1-smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09B2D1270AB; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 17:59:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from compute7.internal (compute7.nyi.internal [10.202.2.47]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C23E226F6; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:59:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from frontend2 ([10.202.2.161]) by compute7.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:59:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=cooperw.in; h=cc :content-transfer-encoding:content-type:date:from:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:subject:to:x-me-sender :x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm2; bh=yzHUD1QhN1agotK00ny8DCslECDde piduQLlLJKhX2Y=; b=DrvGsdGwSNROPZebyEhW3Ye359GysbZoSYAr3HRkHTRbe 3BJ8KQuLb7mv5vhxByzX4nHxF6AZzkqOtgOubUTV4CTFGjs7zY/tsmBzZBH+ItbS jir59NN34QxUVaOTtw7o7vuEFKmRgBW/j0wEp65hVts+sB+e0xG6K4/VcdXNlKug XCluCNbBmAgkPrFVB1kLYWACFEeViKyTIX0rKfhR4/UFn+TNLFHm9txhcJGQ7mcd MDY6vZ4s8VN6YByXxf6h6zEMVF/ItHD9OT9LTKWxfAK1k3Bw7LO4rP2Z/xeCt4BJ dCH7wZiArQFnKncjFml+1wHVtDjxnRjN9FzrNSiJA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-transfer-encoding:content-type :date:from:in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references :subject:to:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s=fm1; bh=yzHUD1 QhN1agotK00ny8DCslECDdepiduQLlLJKhX2Y=; b=qLZIAGC5Vs9cRCMHVVdS0p cH+Yuw7fihYc56gWMX9Jkx4W32gNaiOtFGQe/be2g1DCr5jv5JnrLtupa90SABHJ +oc+KxQDL3k4YCyBHoP5gP3LbWMLxLGUf8r4Hea2r2Q3AO/EzOIUDWUkxxN8EcdZ +8r72s9cQWGks2PXFGczSiiP2tYcFqYRjpeFLZJfJwxXHgupytrX5KbptYkeoO+6 PbUDGdOxgHtzm4QC0+P2OC+eRgkp8iy6j03uZS6fMdtGKLPSooqLVdiwHykMYWff 8QZS1LgfwQSzV8MJlBECrqAdhmR40P/Tw+xOWXH6hP5PHOfC5BFOdaV0ole90qEQ == X-ME-Sender: Received: from [10.19.234.245] (unknown [128.107.241.186]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F4108241E0; Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:59:08 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Alissa Cooper In-Reply-To: <150813799036.439.17389470588739127462@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 24 Jan 2018 20:59:10 -0500 Cc: General Area Review Team , curdle , draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry.all@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <93A63ADD-8A4B-4531-9ACC-EA648C795117@cooperw.in> References: <150813799036.439.17389470588739127462@ietfa.amsl.com> To: Roni Even X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] [Gen-art] Genart last call review of draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02 X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 01:59:15 -0000 Roni, thanks for your review. Authors, thanks for your responses. I have = entered a No Objection ballot. Alissa > On Oct 16, 2017, at 3:13 AM, Roni Even wrote: >=20 > Reviewer: Roni Even > Review result: Ready with Nits >=20 > I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area > Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed > by the IESG for the IETF Chair. Please treat these comments just > like any other last call comments. >=20 > For more information, please see the FAQ at >=20 > . >=20 > Document: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-?? > Reviewer: Roni Even > Review Date: 2017-10-16 > IETF LC End Date: 2017-10-23 > IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat >=20 > Summary: The document is ready for publication with nits as an = Informational RFC >=20 > Major issues: >=20 > Minor issues: >=20 > Nits/editorial comments: >=20 > 1. Add a sentence to the RFC editor to remove the "Contributing to = this > document " section 2. The document is missing a table of content 3. In = the > acknowledgment section the sentence "This document stole text heavily = from a > previous document doing > similar thing by Russ Housely" is not clear, do you hint that Russ = also > stole? I think better wording "This document uses a lot of text = from a > similar document by Russ Housely" >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Gen-art mailing list > Gen-art@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/gen-art From nobody Thu Jan 25 01:37:55 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8DE212D962 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 01:37:53 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JiwTEwegLCbW for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 01:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmextmx1.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (mmextmx1.mcr.colo.comodoca.net [IPv6:2a02:1788:402:c00::c0a8:9cd5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 704D612D868 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 01:37:50 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 5330 invoked by uid 1004); 25 Jan 2018 09:37:47 -0000 Received: from rmdccgwarp1.reyn.mcr.dc.comodo.net (HELO maileu.comodo.net) (10.1.72.82) by mmextmx1.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (qpsmtpd/0.84) with ESMTP; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 09:37:47 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.81] ([31.185.63.26]) by maileu.comodo.net (IceWarp 11.4.6.0 DEB8 x64) with ASMTP (SSL) id 201801250937479063 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 09:37:47 +0000 To: curdle@ietf.org References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> From: Rob Stradling Message-ID: <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 09:37:47 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 09:37:54 -0000 On 24/01/18 23:53, Jim Schaad wrote: > Would adding the following lines be an adequate replacement? > > 0 - 99 | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] > 128+ | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] Symantec have also allocated a bunch of OIDs under the 1.3.101 arc to the TRANS WG, for use in 6962-bis. Therefore, "Retained by Symantec" seems a bit misleading. I think something along the lines of "Not allocated to CURDLE" would be more accurate. > I think this is more in line with normality that having a list of "this value open for registration". > > Jim > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:42 PM >> To: The IESG >> Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org; Daniel Migault >> ; curdle-chairs@ietf.org; >> daniel.migault@ericsson.com; curdle@ietf.org >> Subject: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: >> (with COMMENT) >> >> Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for >> draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: No Objection >> >> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email >> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory >> paragraph, however.) >> >> >> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >> >> >> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> COMMENT: >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> I think it would be useful to include explicit entries in the initial IANA table >> indicating those values which are currently unassigned (i.e., add a range for >> 101-109 and 116-127.) For this use in particular, where overstepping the >> bounds of the allocation would impinge on codes retained by Symantec, this >> seems even more important than typical. >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Curdle mailing list > Curdle@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle > -- Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Scientist COMODO - Creating Trust Online Office Tel: +44.(0)1274.730505 Office Fax: +44.(0)1274.730909 www.comodo.com COMODO CA Limited, Registered in England No. 04058690 Registered Office: 3rd Floor, 26 Office Village, Exchange Quay, Trafford Road, Salford, Manchester M5 3EQ This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail containing this attachment. Replies to this email may be monitored by COMODO for operational or business reasons. 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From nobody Thu Jan 25 11:46:45 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B3A12EA93 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 11:46:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NM6m1m-MplVI for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 11:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 63A5D12EA87 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 11:46:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB3B4300A02 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:41 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id HhZxTGy-2Old for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from new-host-8.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E517B300568; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:46:39 -0500 Cc: curdle@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> To: Rob Stradling X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 19:46:45 -0000 I think that "not allocated to IETF" would be better. Russ > On Jan 25, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Rob Stradling = wrote: >=20 > On 24/01/18 23:53, Jim Schaad wrote: >> Would adding the following lines be an adequate replacement? >> 0 - 99 | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] >> 128+ | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] >=20 > Symantec have also allocated a bunch of OIDs under the 1.3.101 arc to = the TRANS WG, for use in 6962-bis. >=20 > Therefore, "Retained by Symantec" seems a bit misleading. I think = something along the lines of "Not allocated to CURDLE" would be more = accurate. >=20 >> I think this is more in line with normality that having a list of = "this value open for registration". >> Jim >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:42 PM >>> To: The IESG >>> Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org; Daniel Migault >>> ; curdle-chairs@ietf.org; >>> daniel.migault@ericsson.com; curdle@ietf.org >>> Subject: Adam Roach's No Objection on = draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: >>> (with COMMENT) >>>=20 >>> Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for >>> draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: No Objection >>>=20 >>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all email >>> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory >>> paragraph, however.) >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> COMMENT: >>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>=20 >>> I think it would be useful to include explicit entries in the = initial IANA table >>> indicating those values which are currently unassigned (i.e., add a = range for >>> 101-109 and 116-127.) For this use in particular, where overstepping = the >>> bounds of the allocation would impinge on codes retained by = Symantec, this >>> seems even more important than typical. >>>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Curdle mailing list >> Curdle@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle >=20 > --=20 > Rob Stradling > Senior Research & Development Scientist > COMODO - Creating Trust Online > Office Tel: +44.(0)1274.730505 > Office Fax: +44.(0)1274.730909 > www.comodo.com >=20 > COMODO CA Limited, Registered in England No. 04058690 > Registered Office: > 3rd Floor, 26 Office Village, Exchange Quay, > Trafford Road, Salford, Manchester M5 3EQ >=20 > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and = intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are = addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the = sender by replying to the e-mail containing this attachment. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 21:54:39 -0000 Russ, But TRANS is an IETF WG! What is the scope of draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry? Does it only cover OIDs allocated to CURDLE? If so, how can it make an assertion that OIDs have not been allocated to other IETF WGs? On 25/01/18 19:46, Russ Housley wrote: > I think that "not allocated to IETF" would be better. > > Russ > > >> On Jan 25, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Rob Stradling wrote: >> >> On 24/01/18 23:53, Jim Schaad wrote: >>> Would adding the following lines be an adequate replacement? >>> 0 - 99 | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] >>> 128+ | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] >> >> Symantec have also allocated a bunch of OIDs under the 1.3.101 arc to the TRANS WG, for use in 6962-bis. >> >> Therefore, "Retained by Symantec" seems a bit misleading. I think something along the lines of "Not allocated to CURDLE" would be more accurate. >> >>> I think this is more in line with normality that having a list of "this value open for registration". >>> Jim >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:42 PM >>>> To: The IESG >>>> Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org; Daniel Migault >>>> ; curdle-chairs@ietf.org; >>>> daniel.migault@ericsson.com; curdle@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: >>>> (with COMMENT) >>>> >>>> Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for >>>> draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: No Objection >>>> >>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email >>>> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory >>>> paragraph, however.) >>>> >>>> >>>> Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>> >>>> >>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> COMMENT: >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>> >>>> I think it would be useful to include explicit entries in the initial IANA table >>>> indicating those values which are currently unassigned (i.e., add a range for >>>> 101-109 and 116-127.) For this use in particular, where overstepping the >>>> bounds of the allocation would impinge on codes retained by Symantec, this >>>> seems even more important than typical. >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Curdle mailing list >>> Curdle@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle >> >> -- >> Rob Stradling >> Senior Research & Development Scientist >> COMODO - Creating Trust Online >> Office Tel: +44.(0)1274.730505 >> Office Fax: +44.(0)1274.730909 >> www.comodo.com >> >> COMODO CA Limited, Registered in England No. 04058690 >> Registered Office: >> 3rd Floor, 26 Office Village, Exchange Quay, >> Trafford Road, Salford, Manchester M5 3EQ >> >> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the sender by replying to the e-mail containing this attachment. 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From nobody Thu Jan 25 14:32:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BACC812D77B for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:32:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vRmoIxVATpc1 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6A70B12AF77 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 14:32:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BA1300A03 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:32:29 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 3KRYD-xN_4DQ for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:32:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from new-host-8.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7A70630057F; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:32:27 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:32:27 -0500 Cc: curdle@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> To: Rob Stradling X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 22:32:33 -0000 The point of making the IANA registry is so that other groups, even ones = that are not chartered yet, can get short OIDs when they need them. Russ > On Jan 25, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Rob Stradling = wrote: >=20 > Russ, >=20 > But TRANS is an IETF WG! >=20 > What is the scope of draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry? Does it only = cover OIDs allocated to CURDLE? If so, how can it make an assertion = that OIDs have not been allocated to other IETF WGs? >=20 > On 25/01/18 19:46, Russ Housley wrote: >> I think that "not allocated to IETF" would be better. >> Russ >>> On Jan 25, 2018, at 4:37 AM, Rob Stradling = wrote: >>>=20 >>> On 24/01/18 23:53, Jim Schaad wrote: >>>> Would adding the following lines be an adequate replacement? >>>> 0 - 99 | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] >>>> 128+ | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] >>>=20 >>> Symantec have also allocated a bunch of OIDs under the 1.3.101 arc = to the TRANS WG, for use in 6962-bis. >>>=20 >>> Therefore, "Retained by Symantec" seems a bit misleading. I think = something along the lines of "Not allocated to CURDLE" would be more = accurate. >>>=20 >>>> I think this is more in line with normality that having a list of = "this value open for registration". >>>> Jim >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 3:42 PM >>>>> To: The IESG >>>>> Cc: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org; Daniel Migault >>>>> ; curdle-chairs@ietf.org; >>>>> daniel.migault@ericsson.com; curdle@ietf.org >>>>> Subject: Adam Roach's No Objection on = draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: >>>>> (with COMMENT) >>>>>=20 >>>>> Adam Roach has entered the following ballot position for >>>>> draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: No Objection >>>>>=20 >>>>> When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to = all email >>>>> addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this = introductory >>>>> paragraph, however.) >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> Please refer to = https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html >>>>> for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found = here: >>>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> COMMENT: >>>>> = ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>=20 >>>>> I think it would be useful to include explicit entries in the = initial IANA table >>>>> indicating those values which are currently unassigned (i.e., add = a range for >>>>> 101-109 and 116-127.) For this use in particular, where = overstepping the >>>>> bounds of the allocation would impinge on codes retained by = Symantec, this >>>>> seems even more important than typical. >>>>>=20 >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Curdle mailing list >>>> Curdle@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Rob Stradling >>> Senior Research & Development Scientist >>> COMODO - Creating Trust Online >>> Office Tel: +44.(0)1274.730505 >>> Office Fax: +44.(0)1274.730909 >>> www.comodo.com >>>=20 >>> COMODO CA Limited, Registered in England No. 04058690 >>> Registered Office: >>> 3rd Floor, 26 Office Village, Exchange Quay, >>> Trafford Road, Salford, Manchester M5 3EQ >>>=20 >>> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and = intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are = addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the = sender by replying to the e-mail containing this attachment. Replies to = this email may be monitored by COMODO for operational or business = reasons. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that e-mails are free = from viruses, no liability can be accepted and the recipient is = requested to use their own virus checking software. >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Curdle mailing list >>> Curdle@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle >> _______________________________________________ >> Curdle mailing list >> Curdle@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle >=20 > --=20 > Rob Stradling > Senior Research & Development Scientist > COMODO - Creating Trust Online > Office Tel: +44.(0)1274.730505 > Office Fax: +44.(0)1274.730909 > www.comodo.com >=20 > COMODO CA Limited, Registered in England No. 04058690 > Registered Office: > 3rd Floor, 26 Office Village, Exchange Quay, > Trafford Road, Salford, Manchester M5 3EQ >=20 > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and = intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are = addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the = sender by replying to the e-mail containing this attachment. Replies to = this email may be monitored by COMODO for operational or business = reasons. Whilst every endeavour is taken to ensure that e-mails are free = from viruses, no liability can be accepted and the recipient is = requested to use their own virus checking software. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Curdle mailing list > Curdle@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle From nobody Thu Jan 25 15:43:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF6512EB04; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:43:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151692378123.24389.6727724128570306812@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:43:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:43:01 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : IANA Registration for new Cryptographic Algorithm Object Identifier Range Authors : Jim Schaad Rick Andrews Filename : draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.txt Pages : 5 Date : 2018-01-25 Abstract: When the Curdle Security Working Group was chartered, a range of object identifiers was donated by DigiCert, Inc. for the purpose of registering the Edwards Elliptic Curve key agreement and signature algorithms. This donated set of OIDs allowed for shorter values than would be possible using the existing S/MIME or PKIX arcs. This document describes the range of identifiers that were assigned in that donated range, transfers control of that range to IANA, and establishes IANA allocation policies for any future assignments within that range. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Jan 25 15:47:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B630A12EB02; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:47:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LL-QiA9VhC1z; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 422F612D779; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:46:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:45:19 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: 'Adam Roach' , 'The IESG' CC: , , , References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <0c489bdd-893c-04c8-2875-8aff11ab3581@nostrum.com> In-Reply-To: <0c489bdd-893c-04c8-2875-8aff11ab3581@nostrum.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:46:50 -0800 Message-ID: <011001d39636$c7554150$55ffc3f0$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQE6+Vz8klSbXdx8LQNgOiRcw6p8HwF0/BhAArhVIISklQ9PAA== Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:47:01 -0000 I have issued a new version of the document that I believe picks up all = of the comments made. Given that the division for the OID tree has = moved from Symantec to Digicert and the desire of Rick to update the = text to reflect that I have changed the title of the document as well = (also due to the nudge from Mirja). If there are any issues please let = me know. Jim > -----Original Message----- > From: Adam Roach [mailto:adam@nostrum.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2018 4:00 PM > To: Jim Schaad ; 'The IESG' > Cc: daniel.migault@ericsson.com; curdle-chairs@ietf.org; = curdle@ietf.org; > draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry@ietf.org > Subject: Re: Adam Roach's No Objection on = draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry- > 02: (with COMMENT) >=20 > On 1/24/18 5:53 PM, Jim Schaad wrote: > > Would adding the following lines be an adequate replacement? > > > > 0 - 99 | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] > > 128+ | Retained by Symantec | [This RFC] >=20 > Yep, that's good also. >=20 >=20 > > I think this is more in line with normality that having a list of = "this value > open for registration". >=20 >=20 > To be clear, I find your solution above to be fine without any = additional > changes; however, I would like to note that assignable ranges are = handled > both with and without explicit table entries; see the following for = contrasting > approaches: >=20 > https://www.iana.org/assignments/http-status-codes/http-status- > codes.xhtml > https://www.iana.org/assignments/sip-parameters/sip- > parameters.xhtml#sip-parameters-7 >=20 > /a From nobody Thu Jan 25 15:48:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3495812EB02 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:48:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7j7hBlys96UH for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:48:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail2.augustcellars.com (augustcellars.com [50.45.239.150]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDABA12D779 for ; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:48:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from Jude (73.180.8.170) by mail2.augustcellars.com (192.168.0.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1347.2; Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:46:43 -0800 From: Jim Schaad To: References: <151692378154.24389.15851986301442648416.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <151692378154.24389.15851986301442648416.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 15:48:14 -0800 Message-ID: <011101d39636$f8ef7780$eace6680$@augustcellars.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGTj0iQdxvp6fC2ouuc0ehxVZyeB6QFTxUQ Content-Language: en-us X-Originating-IP: [73.180.8.170] Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] FW: New Version Notification for draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2018 23:48:23 -0000 This update reflects the comments from the IESG and the movement of the = relevant division in Symantec to DigiCert. If there are any problems please let me know. -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 3:43 PM To: Jim Schaad ; Rick Andrews = Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.txt A new version of I-D, draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Jim Schaad and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry Revision: 03 Title: IANA Registration for new Cryptographic Algorithm Object = Identifier Range Document date: 2018-01-25 Group: curdle Pages: 5 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.= txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03= Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 Abstract: When the Curdle Security Working Group was chartered, a range of object identifiers was donated by DigiCert, Inc. for the purpose of registering the Edwards Elliptic Curve key agreement and signature algorithms. This donated set of OIDs allowed for shorter values than would be possible using the existing S/MIME or PKIX arcs. This document describes the range of identifiers that were assigned in that donated range, transfers control of that range to IANA, and establishes IANA allocation policies for any future assignments within that range. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Fri Jan 26 04:24:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B75712EB10 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 04:24:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X7X-FpK1TTt6 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 04:24:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net [IPv6:2a02:1788:402:c00::c0a8:9cd6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0043512EA81 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 04:24:08 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11394 invoked by uid 1004); 26 Jan 2018 12:24:06 -0000 Received: from rmdccgwarp1.reyn.mcr.dc.comodo.net (HELO maileu.comodo.net) (10.1.72.82) by mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (qpsmtpd/0.84) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:24:06 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.58] ([192.168.0.58]) by maileu.comodo.net (IceWarp 11.4.6.0 DEB8 x64) with ASMTP (SSL) id 201801261224062943; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:24:06 +0000 To: Russ Housley Cc: curdle@ietf.org References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> From: Rob Stradling Message-ID: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 12:24:12 -0000 On 25/01/18 22:32, Russ Housley wrote: > The point of making the IANA registry is so that other groups, even ones that are not chartered yet, can get short OIDs when they need them. Oh, so is this document intended to cover all OIDs and OID ranges under the 1.3.101 arc that have been donated to the IETF by Symantec/DigiCert? If so, please could we add to this document the OIDs and OID ranges that Symantec/DigiCert have donated to the TRANS WG? BTW, ISTM that the new document title ("IANA Registration for new Cryptographic Algorithm Object Identifier Range") needs to be changed. "Cryptographic Algorithm Object Identifier"s is one use of "short OIDs", but it's not the only use. Case in point: TRANS has been allocated some OIDs and OID ranges under the 1.3.101 arc for use as certificate extension IDs and CT log IDs. > Russ > > >> On Jan 25, 2018, at 4:54 PM, Rob Stradling wrote: >> >> Russ, >> >> But TRANS is an IETF WG! >> >> What is the scope of draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry? Does it only cover OIDs allocated to CURDLE? If so, how can it make an assertion that OIDs have not been allocated to other IETF WGs? >> >> On 25/01/18 19:46, Russ Housley wrote: >>> I think that "not allocated to IETF" would be better. -- Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Scientist COMODO - Creating Trust Online From nobody Fri Jan 26 05:01:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799A612D890 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 05:01:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PwylaUkzLG98 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 14:50:08 -0000 It looks fine to me. Russ > On Jan 25, 2018, at 6:48 PM, Jim Schaad = wrote: >=20 > This update reflects the comments from the IESG and the movement of = the relevant division in Symantec to DigiCert. >=20 > If there are any problems please let me know. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 > Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2018 3:43 PM > To: Jim Schaad ; Rick Andrews = > Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.txt >=20 >=20 > A new version of I-D, draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.txt > has been successfully submitted by Jim Schaad and posted to the IETF = repository. >=20 > Name: draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry > Revision: 03 > Title: IANA Registration for new Cryptographic = Algorithm Object Identifier Range > Document date: 2018-01-25 > Group: curdle > Pages: 5 > URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03.t= xt > Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry/ > Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 > Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 > Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-03 >=20 > Abstract: > When the Curdle Security Working Group was chartered, a range of > object identifiers was donated by DigiCert, Inc. for the purpose of > registering the Edwards Elliptic Curve key agreement and signature > algorithms. This donated set of OIDs allowed for shorter values = than > would be possible using the existing S/MIME or PKIX arcs. This > document describes the range of identifiers that were assigned in > that donated range, transfers control of that range to IANA, and > establishes IANA allocation policies for any future assignments > within that range. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >=20 > The IETF Secretariat >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Curdle mailing list > Curdle@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle From nobody Fri Jan 26 07:25:29 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88821124239 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:25:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kk4ol6v1zV0N for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCF3D1241FC for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:25:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2788A300F43 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:25:25 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id xg-YYQeuCcUV for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from new-host.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19C4F300F36; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:25:24 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:25:28 -0500 Cc: curdle@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <278F5125-51EA-4595-BBEE-285E84245DDC@vigilsec.com> References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> To: Rob Stradling X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:25:27 -0000 Rob: >=20 >> The point of making the IANA registry is so that other groups, even = ones that are not chartered yet, can get short OIDs when they need them. >=20 > Oh, so is this document intended to cover all OIDs and OID ranges = under the 1.3.101 arc that have been donated to the IETF by = Symantec/DigiCert? They reserved 0-99 for themselves. They offered 100-127 for the IETF. My understanding is that the desire = was to support curves 25519 and 448. They reserved 128 and up for themselves. > If so, please could we add to this document the OIDs and OID ranges = that Symantec/DigiCert have donated to the TRANS WG? Was this part of the same arc? Russ From nobody Fri Jan 26 07:35:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 191E812DA3D for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:35:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O0YgU7_oSctx for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:35:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmextmx1.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (mmextmx1.mcr.colo.comodoca.net [IPv6:2a02:1788:402:c00::c0a8:9cd5]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B18FB12DA05 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:35:30 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 14808 invoked by uid 1004); 26 Jan 2018 15:35:28 -0000 Received: from rmdccgwarp1.reyn.mcr.dc.comodo.net (HELO maileu.comodo.net) (10.1.72.82) by mmextmx1.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (qpsmtpd/0.84) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:35:28 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.58] ([192.168.0.58]) by maileu.comodo.net (IceWarp 11.4.6.0 DEB8 x64) with ASMTP (SSL) id 201801261535286181; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:35:28 +0000 To: Russ Housley Cc: curdle@ietf.org References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> <278F5125-51EA-4595-BBEE-285E84245DDC@vigilsec.com> From: Rob Stradling Message-ID: <57a6ec44-624c-0aeb-1d87-411b10546d52@comodo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:35:28 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <278F5125-51EA-4595-BBEE-285E84245DDC@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:35:34 -0000 On 26/01/18 15:25, Russ Housley wrote: > Rob: > >> >>> The point of making the IANA registry is so that other groups, even ones that are not chartered yet, can get short OIDs when they need them. >> >> Oh, so is this document intended to cover all OIDs and OID ranges under the 1.3.101 arc that have been donated to the IETF by Symantec/DigiCert? > > They reserved 0-99 for themselves. > > They offered 100-127 for the IETF. My understanding is that the desire was to support curves 25519 and 448. > > They reserved 128 and up for themselves. > >> If so, please could we add to this document the OIDs and OID ranges that Symantec/DigiCert have donated to the TRANS WG? > > Was this part of the same arc? Yes. Some in the "0-99" range, and some in the "128 and up" range. -- Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Scientist COMODO - Creating Trust Online From nobody Fri Jan 26 07:50:21 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4E0312DA05 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:50:19 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quBXrdejQ1vN for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C02512426E for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:50:18 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3226300F61 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:50:17 -0500 (EST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id yVC6m_9XxNhW for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from new-host.home (pool-108-45-101-150.washdc.fios.verizon.net [108.45.101.150]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 984FC300426; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:50:16 -0500 (EST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: <57a6ec44-624c-0aeb-1d87-411b10546d52@comodo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 10:50:21 -0500 Cc: curdle@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <62FD2C4E-8816-46F9-A2CB-C17FBACCF5A5@vigilsec.com> References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> <278F5125-51EA-4595-BBEE-285E84245DDC@vigilsec.com> <57a6ec44-624c-0aeb-1d87-411b10546d52@comodo.com> To: Rob Stradling X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:50:20 -0000 > On Jan 26, 2018, at 10:35 AM, Rob Stradling = wrote: >=20 > On 26/01/18 15:25, Russ Housley wrote: >> Rob: >>>=20 >>>> The point of making the IANA registry is so that other groups, even = ones that are not chartered yet, can get short OIDs when they need them. >>>=20 >>> Oh, so is this document intended to cover all OIDs and OID ranges = under the 1.3.101 arc that have been donated to the IETF by = Symantec/DigiCert? >> They reserved 0-99 for themselves. >> They offered 100-127 for the IETF. My understanding is that the = desire was to support curves 25519 and 448. >> They reserved 128 and up for themselves. >>> If so, please could we add to this document the OIDs and OID ranges = that Symantec/DigiCert have donated to the TRANS WG? >> Was this part of the same arc? >=20 > Yes. Some in the "0-99" range, and some in the "128 and up" range. This document could be adjusted to include other parts of the arc, or = the TRANS WG could put forward a document to add to the IANA registry. Russ From nobody Fri Jan 26 07:58:49 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2241E12D952 for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:58:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QhXzqzzB27SW for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:58:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from welho-filter4.welho.com (welho-filter4.welho.com [83.102.41.26]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C992F12426E for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 07:58:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by welho-filter4.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522F14FE64; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:58:43 +0200 (EET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at pp.htv.fi Received: from welho-smtp3.welho.com ([IPv6:::ffff:83.102.41.86]) by localhost (welho-filter4.welho.com [::ffff:83.102.41.26]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YmdSLgA4a4kV; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:58:43 +0200 (EET) Received: from LK-Perkele-VII (87-92-19-27.bb.dnainternet.fi [87.92.19.27]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by welho-smtp3.welho.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFB152308; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:58:39 +0200 (EET) Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:58:39 +0200 From: Ilari Liusvaara To: Rob Stradling Cc: Russ Housley , curdle@ietf.org Message-ID: <20180126155839.GA17466@LK-Perkele-VII> References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> <278F5125-51EA-4595-BBEE-285E84245DDC@vigilsec.com> <57a6ec44-624c-0aeb-1d87-411b10546d52@comodo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <57a6ec44-624c-0aeb-1d87-411b10546d52@comodo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.2 (2017-12-15) Sender: ilariliusvaara@welho.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 15:58:48 -0000 On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 03:35:28PM +0000, Rob Stradling wrote: > On 26/01/18 15:25, Russ Housley wrote: > > Rob: > > > > > > > > > The point of making the IANA registry is so that other groups, even ones that are not chartered yet, can get short OIDs when they need them. > > > > > > Oh, so is this document intended to cover all OIDs and OID ranges under the 1.3.101 arc that have been donated to the IETF by Symantec/DigiCert? > > > > They reserved 0-99 for themselves. > > > > They offered 100-127 for the IETF. My understanding is that the desire was to support curves 25519 and 448. > > > > They reserved 128 and up for themselves. > > > > > If so, please could we add to this document the OIDs and OID ranges that Symantec/DigiCert have donated to the TRANS WG? > > > > Was this part of the same arc? > > Yes. Some in the "0-99" range, and some in the "128 and up" range. Specifically, I find the following ones from the specification: 1.3.101.75 Transparency information X.509 extension. 1.3.101.78 Signed data content type for precertificates. 1.3.101.80.* Reserved for log IDs 1.3.101.8192-16383 Reserved for log IDs -Ilari From nobody Fri Jan 26 08:06:23 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B45551243FE for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:06:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XiFL6P1jicMP for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:06:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net [IPv6:2a02:1788:402:c00::c0a8:9cd6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 003181242EA for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:06:18 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 30643 invoked by uid 1004); 26 Jan 2018 16:06:16 -0000 Received: from rmdccgwarp1.reyn.mcr.dc.comodo.net (HELO maileu.comodo.net) (10.1.72.82) by mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (qpsmtpd/0.84) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:06:16 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.58] ([192.168.0.58]) by maileu.comodo.net (IceWarp 11.4.6.0 DEB8 x64) with ASMTP (SSL) id 201801261606144540; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:06:14 +0000 To: Ilari Liusvaara Cc: Russ Housley , curdle@ietf.org References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> <278F5125-51EA-4595-BBEE-285E84245DDC@vigilsec.com> <57a6ec44-624c-0aeb-1d87-411b10546d52@comodo.com> <20180126155839.GA17466@LK-Perkele-VII> From: Rob Stradling Message-ID: <1bb0801a-6639-68fd-b52d-47d5311456b6@comodo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:06:13 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20180126155839.GA17466@LK-Perkele-VII> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:06:22 -0000 On 26/01/18 15:58, Ilari Liusvaara wrote: > On Fri, Jan 26, 2018 at 03:35:28PM +0000, Rob Stradling wrote: >> On 26/01/18 15:25, Russ Housley wrote: >>> Was this part of the same arc? >> >> Yes. Some in the "0-99" range, and some in the "128 and up" range. > > Specifically, I find the following ones from the specification: > > 1.3.101.75 Transparency information X.509 extension. > 1.3.101.78 Signed data content type for precertificates. > 1.3.101.80.* Reserved for log IDs > 1.3.101.8192-16383 Reserved for log IDs .76 and .77 were also allocated. They were used for the domain label redaction mechanism specified in earlier versions of 6962-bis, which was subsequently moved to a separate I-D: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-strad-trans-redaction/ -- Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Scientist COMODO - Creating Trust Online From nobody Fri Jan 26 08:11:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C40F1242EA for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:11:29 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.201 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.201 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id P3G0b9zU71rd for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:11:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net [IPv6:2a02:1788:402:c00::c0a8:9cd6]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8B6D712426E for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:11:26 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 31144 invoked by uid 1004); 26 Jan 2018 16:11:25 -0000 Received: from rmdccgwarp1.reyn.mcr.dc.comodo.net (HELO maileu.comodo.net) (10.1.72.82) by mmextmx2.mcr.colo.comodoca.net (qpsmtpd/0.84) with ESMTP; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:11:25 +0000 Received: from [192.168.0.58] ([192.168.0.58]) by maileu.comodo.net (IceWarp 11.4.6.0 DEB8 x64) with ASMTP (SSL) id 201801261611242430; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:11:24 +0000 To: Russ Housley Cc: curdle@ietf.org References: <151683733787.15895.15630757079242805311.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <009c01d3956e$95866370$c0932a50$@augustcellars.com> <85cc56f1-f50e-db71-042d-87f51b94ab4c@comodo.com> <72beb5b5-5292-c1dd-b685-d21c3a5e0c20@comodo.com> <041E7976-0522-4C64-98D6-DED3DB482B47@vigilsec.com> <278F5125-51EA-4595-BBEE-285E84245DDC@vigilsec.com> <57a6ec44-624c-0aeb-1d87-411b10546d52@comodo.com> <62FD2C4E-8816-46F9-A2CB-C17FBACCF5A5@vigilsec.com> From: Rob Stradling Message-ID: <0738f211-6336-6ac3-783f-323ee9a67020@comodo.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:11:24 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <62FD2C4E-8816-46F9-A2CB-C17FBACCF5A5@vigilsec.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-registry-02: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:11:29 -0000 On 26/01/18 15:50, Russ Housley wrote: >>> Was this part of the same arc? >> >> Yes. Some in the "0-99" range, and some in the "128 and up" range. > > This document could be adjusted to include other parts of the arc, or the TRANS WG could put forward a document to add to the IANA registry. Anyone have a preference? I'd be fine with either approach. -- Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Scientist COMODO - Creating Trust Online From nobody Fri Jan 26 08:29:28 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92349126B6E for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:29:27 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.701 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.701 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=akamai.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ue_ecmZMI91B for ; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 08:29:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00190b01.pphosted.com [IPv6:2620:100:9005:57f::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 943D012DA46 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 16:37:42 -0000 I also personally think one document is preferred. Yours,=20 Daniel -----Original Message----- From: Curdle [mailto:curdle-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Salz, Rich Sent: Friday, January 26, 2018 11:29 AM To: Rob Stradling ; Russ Housley Cc: curdle@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Curdle] Adam Roach's No Objection on draft-schaad-curdle-oid-= registry-02: (with COMMENT) I prefer one document. On 1/26/18, 11:11 AM, "Rob Stradling" wrote: On 26/01/18 15:50, Russ Housley wrote: >>> Was this part of the same arc? >> >> Yes. Some in the "0-99" range, and some in the "128 and up" range. >=20 > This document could be adjusted to include other parts of the arc, or= the TRANS WG could put forward a document to add to the IANA registry. =20 Anyone have a preference? =20 I'd be fine with either approach. =20 --=20 Rob Stradling Senior Research & Development Scientist COMODO - Creating Trust Online =20 _______________________________________________ Curdle mailing list Curdle@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle =20 _______________________________________________ Curdle mailing list Curdle@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/curdle From nobody Fri Jan 26 09:10:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietf.org Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3DCD126BF6; Fri, 26 Jan 2018 09:10:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: curdle@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.70.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151698664581.459.9627232683951739301@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 09:10:45 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] I-D Action: draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-06.txt X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2018 17:10:46 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the CURves, Deprecating and a Little more Encryption WG of the IETF. Title : Deprecating RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH) Author : Luis Camara Filename : draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-06.txt Pages : 3 Date : 2018-01-26 Abstract: This document deprecates RC4 in Secure Shell (SSH). Therefore, this document updates RFC 4253, and formally obsoletes and moves to Historic RFC 4345. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-curdle-rc4-die-die-die-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sun Jan 28 08:03:12 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: curdle@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 097E012F2A4 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:03:11 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.399 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.199, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6BVt3ZODIzm6 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lf0-x22c.google.com (mail-lf0-x22c.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c07::22c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4688912EB77 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:03:09 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lf0-x22c.google.com with SMTP id q17so6472468lfa.9 for ; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:03:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=PwVrJIeiF6vGBH/1vtpUXOsoyIEfBJVYSL8f7gQ35AY=; b=NH84IqJaUi8+g0ZJnyo5eX8aKExIX/Cbzl2pAnczelgqPJ0/XtAM51XHXY7PGHf7Yn apBkKNxbITTI0yz7yRWF6nqnVErnUunQJkgUkf3lmBTtHdQo5RRc7s6gOifdSk7kJptp vM59r0seiCUYAaiCECPQTLlb83YyuKSouCzgZcJSOHBQlmIqfcNC5DvfaZ+bJJpENSe6 1b0gHhPJwCkKzd6HaMBm3qzsoDMde5dTjl6Jx2kyWW/gq0G8SbV6AGjSnZGQQ4UKijj2 XkolnDu+fwijRlgrhLCUL0b/Ldxk3llN5OkG17PBNMu7E6njCz9P8PSafWJ6BeN6zzvB gSGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:from:date:message-id:subject :to; bh=PwVrJIeiF6vGBH/1vtpUXOsoyIEfBJVYSL8f7gQ35AY=; b=IWvgEHt9zJdyttVmf89HssEI6p+0jlz2ryy9XrN88AbIqJOY/fEvkuvEnlK1PBKfy+ 8XSGzKm/0Lx9xvmlKuY84AMmAcpgRdDRNeabVrd+gO+o3sKu9atupwxTZNPHNyk3Pz9r Y5aB8Igbvte50xUZoSRSuQWJaeoLClUpW4DC0B7NS7dJbnRhjIQFfmHog/bjvImRvrG/ NyAjCZNp1K6p8TAjoMggOYI4P511vLFsevfCQg5GdK8gLIU9EMRU+jwMtjghex54bVk1 hMa8THvtzFfWm+8UNUh/xG+lGVrviheYqnXdcMZRVB+/ACbYnnfydzc/f85UuepL80IA OHnQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdMlXMHd7x/v+DCI3Ir7iEOnQw3uO6Fwvodc6hYOcKC6f7rMXbH 1gnBDHFMW2oj3GAp+LG6O/ybwxVWw9UB71mA16w= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x2253cUsLABxlAXeFo8ssJl5zR8OfOhSxveAHNfQbywaQ6qq0Fjrvym3HbLi2O1o8+2SltCy5ROjMEzwPeNsP5pE= X-Received: by 10.46.33.18 with SMTP id h18mr11471952ljh.18.1517155387300; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:03:07 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: mglt.ietf@gmail.com Received: by 10.46.32.132 with HTTP; Sun, 28 Jan 2018 08:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: Daniel Migault Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 11:03:06 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: YTfSzY0sEaef88Vfd10KnBYBbgY Message-ID: To: curdle Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a1142abfcede1010563d84352" Archived-At: Subject: [Curdle] Meeting at IETF101 X-BeenThere: curdle@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of potential new security area wg." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 28 Jan 2018 16:03:11 -0000 --001a1142abfcede1010563d84352 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi, We do not believe there is a need for the curdle wg to to meet at IETF101. If you think otherwise, please raise your concern as the deadline for slot request is February 02. Yours, Rich and Daniel --001a1142abfcede1010563d84352 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,

We do not believe there i= s a need for the curdle wg to to meet at IETF101. If you think otherwise, p= lease raise your concern as the deadline for slot request is February 02. <= br>
Yours,
Rich and Daniel
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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2018 18:27:04 -0000 On Mon, Jan 29, 2018 at 10:22 PM, Salz, Rich wrote: > Authors, the draft is going to expire soon. Do we need any changes? > > > > WG, is there any feedback on this? Are we ready to do WGLC? > > I need to update it to include ed448. 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