From nobody Fri Jul 2 09:07:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B133A2370 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:07:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.85 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.85 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_12_24=1.049, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id puQ21u52kLa5 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (mail.hardakers.net [168.150.192.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D38403A2374 for ; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 09:07:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 9F8FD29947; Thu, 1 Jul 2021 11:01:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: danish@ietf.org Cc: Viktor Dukhovni References: <17670.1624372831@localhost> <2F9979ED-0400-4E71-A7D1-F49919004C6F@dukhovni.org> <12180.1624808820@localhost> Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2021 11:01:15 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Viktor Dukhovni's message of "Sun, 27 Jun 2021 14:05:19 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Danish] revised charter text from Tuesday morning X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 16:07:53 -0000 FYI, Viktor and I had a good discussion yesterday about the charter. He's agreed to provide us with some text to a few areas that he feels would better describe the background and problem space, based on where he feels he has expertise to suggest better phrasing. -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI From nobody Fri Jul 2 15:06:57 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietf.org Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02DDB3A0B1C; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:03:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: danish@ietf.org, rdd@cert.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.34.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <162526338100.26814.15134823630874557710@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 15:03:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Danish] danish - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 111 X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:03:13 -0000 Dear Cindy Morgan, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. danish Session 1 (2:00 requested) Tuesday, 27 July 2021, Session I 1200-1400 Room Name: Room 7 size: 507 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/sessions/danish.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Cindy Morgan Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: People who must be present: Michael Richardson Roman Danyliw Wes Hardaker Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Jul 2 15:28:11 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8836F3A137E; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:27:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SmD-aRvvKy5g; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:27:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.50.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 204B63A1379; Fri, 2 Jul 2021 15:27:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.217.118] (p548dcc89.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.141.204.137]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gabriel-2.zfn.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4GGqSh6h98z2xGy; Sat, 3 Jul 2021 00:27:00 +0200 (CEST) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 646957621.451682-f9c0024e82a0bf556785196e06bcef0e Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.7\)) Message-Id: <2FFF855D-258F-448D-A99E-29905E645BA9@tzi.org> Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2021 00:27:01 +0200 To: asdf@ietf.org, coin@irtf.org, iotops@ietf.org, danish@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.7) Archived-At: Subject: [Danish] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF111: "FINAL" AGENDA X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jul 2021 22:28:06 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the "FINAL" AGENDA for IETF111. Remember that further agenda changes can still happen. A number of changes have been made with respect to the draft agenda. Most notably, IOTOPS has moved on top of SECDISPATCH (was on top of RATS), but LAKE stays on RATS. All times *on my agenda* are in UTC (the default page is UTC-0700). Please forgive the 2430 and 2500, I'm way too lazy to write code to turn this into 0030 and 0100. (And it is advisable to ignore the fictional end time of the Wednesday plenary anyway.) https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc might be handy. Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten MONDAY, July 19, 2021 1900-2100 Hackathon Kickoff Rm 1 GEN hackathon Hackathon FRIDAY, July 23, 2021 1900-2100 Hackathon Closing Rm 1 GEN hackathon Hackathon MONDAY, July 26, 2021 1900-2100 Session I Rm 1 ART dispatch Dispatch WG - Joint with ARTAREA Rm 2 IRTF anrw ACM/IRTF Applied Networking Research = Workshop - New Internet Protocols & Practical Congestion Control Rm 3 IRTF pearg Privacy Enhancements and Assessments = Research Group Rm 7 SEC gnap Grant Negotiation and Authorization = Protocol WG 2130-2230 Session II Rm 1 ART wpack Web Packaging WG Rm 2 IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Rm 3 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Rm 4 RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Rm 9 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 2300-2500 Session III Rm 2 ART jsonpath JSON Path WG Rm 3 IRTF coinrg Computing in the Network Research Group Rm 5 OPS *** iotops IOT Operations WG Rm 8 SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG Rm 9 TSV masque Multiplexed Application Substrate over = QUIC Encryption WG TUESDAY, July 27, 2021 1900-2100 Session I Rm 1 ART sedate Serialising Extended Data About Times = and Events WG Rm 2 INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Rm 3 IRTF anrw ACM/IRTF Applied Networking Research = Workshop - Interconnection and Routing & Monitoring Internet Traffic Rm 5 RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Rm 6 RTG raw Reliable and Available Wireless WG Rm 7 SEC *** danish DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service = Hardening BOF Rm 8 TSV quic QUIC WG 2130-2230 Session II Rm 3 ART httpapi Building Blocks for HTTP APIs WG Rm 4 INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Rm 7 SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting Rm 8 TSV taps Transport Services WG 2300-2500 Session III Rm 7 SEC ohttp Oblivious HTTP BOF WEDNESDAY, July 28, 2021 1900-2100 Session I Rm 1 ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Rm 3 INT madinas MAC Address Device Identification for = Network and Application Services BOF Rm 4 IRTF anrw ACM/IRTF Applied Networking Research = Workshop - Privacy & Applications Rm 7 SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG 2130-2230 Session II Rm 2 ART uta Using TLS in Applications WG Rm 4 INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Rm 5 INT *** drip Drone Remote ID Protocol WG Rm 8 RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Rm 9 SEC *** cose CBOR Object Signing and Encryption WG 2300-2440 IETF Plenary - Plenary THURSDAY, July 29, 2021 1900-2000 Session I Rm 3 OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Rm 4 OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Rm 7 SEC *** lake Lightweight Authenticated Key Exchange = WG Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG Rm 9 TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 2030-2130 Session II Rm 5 IRTF qirg Quantum Internet Research Group Rm 6 RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Rm 7 SEC mls Messaging Layer Security WG Rm 8 SEC *** rats Remote ATtestation ProcedureS WG 2200-2300 Session III Rm 5 SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG 2330-2430 Session IV Rm 4 IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking RG Rm 8 SEC emu EAP Method Update WG Rm 9 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG FRIDAY, July 30, 2021 1900-2100 Session I Rm 1 ART webtrans WebTransport WG Rm 2 INT add Adaptive DNS Discovery WG Rm 5 RTG apn Application-aware Networking BOF Rm 6 SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG 2130-2230 Session II Rm 1 ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Rm 2 IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Rm 5 RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Rm 6 SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG Rm 7 SEC privacypass Privacy Pass WG 2300-2500 Session III Rm 1 INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Rm 2 IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Rm 3 IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Rm 7 SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning WG Rm 8 TSV (!) tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting From nobody Sun Jul 18 15:21:48 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A584E3A1160 for ; 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Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:21:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: danish@ietf.org Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 15:21:38 -0700 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: [Danish] Revised charter based on recent discussions X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2021 22:21:48 -0000 Folks, We are scheduled to have a BOF during IETF 111. Since there has been only a few messages indicating support for the creation of the WG and the charter, we'll likely be having a charter discussion rather than getting real work done on clearly identifying the architecture and corresponding problem space (bullet 1 of the charter items). I've updated my copy of the charter in my github page [1], based on recent wording concerns and submitted a PR #6 [2] to MCR's github repository. Reviews appreciated, and more importantly: concrete changes you would like to make (OLD/NEW or PRs or ...). Finally, if you think this space is something the IETF should take on we certainly need to hear more from people that believe this is an important problem to be solved, and if so how you're willing to help. (but even if you aren't committing to help, we at least need people that want to participate in discussions to say so). Silence, in the IETF, does not achieve consensus :-/ [1] https://github.com/hardaker/danish-bof/tree/2021-07-18-charter-revision [2] https://github.com/mcr/danish-bof/pull/6 -- Wes Hardaker USC/ISI From nobody Mon Jul 19 06:34:05 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E56E3A33DF for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 06:34:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.887 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.887 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, T_SPF_TEMPERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X99cjmJCENQg for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 46E603A33DC for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 06:33:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 781A3389AA; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:37:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id bs0IDFH87CwY; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.21]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 858AA389A8; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:37:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 764E891A; Mon, 19 Jul 2021 09:33:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: Wes Hardaker , danish@ietf.org In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Danish] Revised charter based on recent discussions X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jul 2021 13:34:03 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wes Hardaker wrote: > I've updated my copy of the charter in my github page [1], based on > recent wording concerns and submitted a PR #6 [2] to MCR's github > repository. Reviews appreciated, and more importantly: concrete chan= ges > you would like to make (OLD/NEW or PRs or ...). Merged. > Finally, if you think this space is something the IETF should take on= we > certainly need to hear more from people that believe this is an > important problem to be solved, and if so how you're willing to help. > (but even if you aren't committing to help, we at least need people t= hat > want to participate in discussions to say so). Silence, in the IETF, > does not achieve consensus :-/ =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmD1fz8ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WX6mgf/U0gsVgRZ3suWSFTLjsi7bH/5p//RhqPO+lw/7R0wqqx9TB2cFGZumjEg NKF1OaDowhLQGQgjlx3nprPY60FEMjvY9Hqcjn3Um4a6EBWsih+hV0Zw3J+gLpti Rvt/6vwN4N9l/StzAUJ8djTjMfDAWKm7ix4cjiBsJNr34diczARVD5i5Do/Gf9bH Xq6QvZuQNjL2oq1RUmNReqKODC7/L/9jDbV5fWotqoL/riWK0d0nuCmJLdEWIAUX MyqsrptH5Y8NN9ziUpLpM2vAbD0fQ0A0kOS7l0gCuAPlfMc3HV8HfYtNL9BqycYE xue5xeYKuwC1fxg4VWNYAOkprTg7og== =3tag -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Wed Jul 21 08:32:43 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82F943A0E21 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 08:32:42 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id haD6uzP895Zt for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 08:32:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DB72E3A1BFB for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 08:32:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A7EF300C1D for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:32:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 1nK6BXPbv5Aq for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:32:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0C7EE300232; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:32:35 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:32:35 -0400 Cc: danish@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Wes Hardaker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Danish] Revised charter based on recent discussions X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 15:32:43 -0000 In the problem statement: The text says: "...establishing trust in public keys from lower levels = in a PKI tree." This assumes a hierarchy, and some PKI implementations = use a mesh. I suggest: "...establishing trust in certified public = keys." Editorial suggestion: replace "What DANE did not define is how services = can authenticate connecting clients." with "However, DANE did not define = authentication for TLS client identities." In the Scope of work: Question: While TLS 1.3 is being rapidly deployed, there is still a lot = of TLS 1.2 in use. So, why limit to coordination with the TLS WG to one = version of the protocol? in the Deliverables: I think it is pretty clear what goes in two of the documents, but the = previous sections do not really say what will land in the architecture = document. Russ > On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Wes Hardaker = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Folks, >=20 > We are scheduled to have a BOF during IETF 111. Since there has been > only a few messages indicating support for the creation of the WG and > the charter, we'll likely be having a charter discussion rather than > getting real work done on clearly identifying the architecture and > corresponding problem space (bullet 1 of the charter items). >=20 > I've updated my copy of the charter in my github page [1], based on > recent wording concerns and submitted a PR #6 [2] to MCR's github > repository. Reviews appreciated, and more importantly: concrete = changes > you would like to make (OLD/NEW or PRs or ...). >=20 > Finally, if you think this space is something the IETF should take on = we > certainly need to hear more from people that believe this is an > important problem to be solved, and if so how you're willing to help. > (but even if you aren't committing to help, we at least need people = that > want to participate in discussions to say so). Silence, in the IETF, > does not achieve consensus :-/ >=20 > [1] = https://github.com/hardaker/danish-bof/tree/2021-07-18-charter-revision > [2] https://github.com/mcr/danish-bof/pull/6 >=20 > --=20 > Wes Hardaker > USC/ISI From nobody Wed Jul 21 12:57:58 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78FB13A2740 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:57:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h-DFZ3_FXSfD for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:57:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.hardakers.net (mail.hardakers.net [168.150.192.181]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 254863A273C for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:57:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (unknown [10.0.0.3]) by mail.hardakers.net (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0A51D21E00; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Wes Hardaker To: Russ Housley Cc: Wes Hardaker , danish@ietf.org References: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 12:57:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: (Russ Housley's message of "Wed, 21 Jul 2021 11:32:35 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Danish] Revised charter based on recent discussions X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 19:57:58 -0000 Submitted most of your changes as PR #7: https://github.com/mcr/danish-bof/pull/7 > in the Deliverables: > I think it is pretty clear what goes in two of the documents, but the > previous sections do not really say what will land in the architecture > document. That is true.=C2=A0 Do you feel like more specification needs to be made in order for the charter to be usable?=C2=A0 --=20 Wes Hardaker USC/ISI From nobody Wed Jul 21 13:01:13 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D5F3A2759 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:01:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Du11JbFVnPi9 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:01:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.smeinc.net (mail.smeinc.net [209.135.209.11]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E884B3A2758 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 13:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D0E8300C19 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:01:04 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mail.smeinc.net Received: from mail.smeinc.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.smeinc.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id ghiYRIXWgN8w for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from a860b60074bd.fios-router.home (pool-141-156-161-153.washdc.fios.verizon.net [141.156.161.153]) by mail.smeinc.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 72F94300232; Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:01:01 -0400 (EDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.21\)) From: Russ Housley In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 16:01:00 -0400 Cc: danish@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: Wes Hardaker X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.21) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Danish] Revised charter based on recent discussions X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2021 20:01:11 -0000 >> in the Deliverables: >=20 >> I think it is pretty clear what goes in two of the documents, but the >> previous sections do not really say what will land in the = architecture >> document. >=20 > That is true. Do you feel like more specification needs to be made in > order for the charter to be usable?=20 It only matters it things become contentions. In that situation, = clarity about what is in scope and what is not are very useful to the WG = Chairs. Russ From nobody Mon Jul 26 06:44:36 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFBD83A13E9 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:44:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WDncSHNOHYnP for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:44:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx-relay02-hz10.hornetsecurity.com (mx-relay02-hz10.hornetsecurity.com [108.163.133.247]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 97DBE3A13E1 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 06:44:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nat.crp.cira.ca ([192.228.22.11]) by mx-relay02-hz10.hornetsecurity.com; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:44:20 -0400 Received: from CRP-EX16-02.CORP.CIRA.CA (10.2.36.121) by CRP-EX16-02.CORP.CIRA.CA (10.2.36.121) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_CBC_SHA384_P384) id 15.1.2242.10; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:44:18 -0400 Received: from CRP-EX16-02.CORP.CIRA.CA ([fe80::c50f:56f4:1f3c:b748]) by CRP-EX16-02.CORP.CIRA.CA ([fe80::c50f:56f4:1f3c:b748%14]) with mapi id 15.01.2242.010; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 09:44:18 -0400 From: Jacques Latour To: Russ Housley , Wes Hardaker CC: "danish@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [EXT] Re: [Danish] Revised charter based on recent discussions Thread-Index: AQHXfkXDSXGyZu7DzUK3KOAN/rkhhqtVS6RA Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:44:18 +0000 Message-ID: <4e6edd4e748a48aca0a4cac6b1f43837@cira.ca> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-CA, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: msip_labels: MSIP_Label_ee0e450f-d653-41c9-9b6c-2295bb19e3b2_Enabled=true; MSIP_Label_ee0e450f-d653-41c9-9b6c-2295bb19e3b2_SetDate=2021-07-26T13:44:17Z; MSIP_Label_ee0e450f-d653-41c9-9b6c-2295bb19e3b2_Method=Standard; MSIP_Label_ee0e450f-d653-41c9-9b6c-2295bb19e3b2_Name=Confidential; MSIP_Label_ee0e450f-d653-41c9-9b6c-2295bb19e3b2_SiteId=f349b30c-7550-4f17-88da-269417631f54; MSIP_Label_ee0e450f-d653-41c9-9b6c-2295bb19e3b2_ActionId=dcabeee9-7915-468b-811c-d288ee1ddaff; MSIP_Label_ee0e450f-d653-41c9-9b6c-2295bb19e3b2_ContentBits=2 x-originating-ip: [10.2.36.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-cloud-security-sender: jacques.latour@cira.ca X-cloud-security-recipient: danish@ietf.org X-cloud-security-Virusscan: CLEAN X-cloud-security-disclaimer: This E-Mail was scanned by E-Mailservice on mx-relay02-hz10.hornetsecurity.com with 41A53566005C X-cloud-security-connect: nat.crp.cira.ca[192.228.22.11], TLS=1, IP=192.228.22.11 X-cloud-security: scantime:.0238 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Danish] [EXT] Re: Revised charter based on recent discussions X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:44:33 -0000 Charter looks much better now. I support for the formation of the DANISH group, willing to contribute, rev= iew, and edit drafts. Jacques CLASSIFICATION:CONFIDENTIAL > -----Original Message----- > From: Danish On Behalf Of Russ Housley > Sent: July 21, 2021 11:33 AM > To: Wes Hardaker > Cc: danish@ietf.org > Subject: [EXT] Re: [Danish] Revised charter based on recent discussions >=20 > In the problem statement: >=20 > The text says: "...establishing trust in public keys from lower levels in= a PKI > tree." This assumes a hierarchy, and some PKI implementations use a mesh= . > I suggest: "...establishing trust in certified public keys." >=20 > Editorial suggestion: replace "What DANE did not define is how services c= an > authenticate connecting clients." with "However, DANE did not define > authentication for TLS client identities." >=20 >=20 > In the Scope of work: >=20 > Question: While TLS 1.3 is being rapidly deployed, there is still a lot o= f TLS > 1.2 in use. So, why limit to coordination with the TLS WG to one version= of > the protocol? >=20 >=20 > in the Deliverables: >=20 > I think it is pretty clear what goes in two of the documents, but the pre= vious > sections do not really say what will land in the architecture document. >=20 > Russ >=20 > > On Jul 18, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Wes Hardaker > wrote: > > > > > > Folks, > > > > We are scheduled to have a BOF during IETF 111. Since there has been > > only a few messages indicating support for the creation of the WG and > > the charter, we'll likely be having a charter discussion rather than > > getting real work done on clearly identifying the architecture and > > corresponding problem space (bullet 1 of the charter items). > > > > I've updated my copy of the charter in my github page [1], based on > > recent wording concerns and submitted a PR #6 [2] to MCR's github > > repository. Reviews appreciated, and more importantly: concrete > > changes you would like to make (OLD/NEW or PRs or ...). > > > > Finally, if you think this space is something the IETF should take on > > we certainly need to hear more from people that believe this is an > > important problem to be solved, and if so how you're willing to help. > > (but even if you aren't committing to help, we at least need people > > that want to participate in discussions to say so). Silence, in the > > IETF, does not achieve consensus :-/ > > > > [1] > > https://github.com/hardaker/danish-bof/tree/2021-07-18-charter-revisio > > n [2] https://github.com/mcr/danish-bof/pull/6 > > > > -- > > Wes Hardaker > > USC/ISI >=20 > -- > Danish mailing list > Danish@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/danish From nobody Mon Jul 26 10:25:03 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B5693A1E31 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N0164qbbkvGx for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 010303A1E32 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E1B7389B7 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:28:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id EpaCOp-AriQh for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A276389B2 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:28:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1388E7 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 13:24:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: danish@ietf.org X-Attribution: mcr X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Danish] Meeting Agenda for 2021-07-27 X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 17:25:01 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, my appologies for the extreme tardiness of this. Here is the proposed agenda for Tuesday (tomorrow morning). We have a 2-hour slot, and we won't use it all. If there are updates that any of the authors, or anyone else, wants to propose, please propose slides and send me an email. The agenda as posted now: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening (DANISH) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D CHAIRS: Wesley Hardaker Michael Richardson IETF 111 AGENDA Tuesday, July 27, 2021 12:00 - 14:00 Pacific Time Session I, Room 7 IETF 111 Info: https://www.ietf.org/how/meetings/111/ Meeting URL: https://ws.conf.meetecho.com/conference/?group=3Ddanish Etherpad: https://codimd.ietf.org/notes-ietf-111-danish Slides: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/111/materials/slides-111-dan= ish-chair-and-charter-slides-00 =2D------------------------------------------------ 1. Preliminaries (Chairs, 10 min) Note Well, Note Takers, Agenda Bashing, Draft status 2. Chartering discussion (Chairs, AD, 30 min) https://github.com/mcr/danish-bof/blob/main/charter.md 3. Wrapup and Next Steps (Chairs, 10 min) =2D------------------------------------------------ =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmD+7+AACgkQgItw+93Q 3WWN9AgAnibPubH8rUSLBTqTHKdnIT9btIo736/273HZSMBTTqqWRG2VGwDkTmzy Ix6M7PEW4NBwKbyQ2KyfE02csdMURLp2XO1oD8JU5rTgcpP9EFFWAhN7+cV6Ys8Q eV5owNMc3Kq5/sLM5CV3EUlee75DwRET3Jju+591IAabh9A3ooOKE88Vh4CQfti3 eN3uUP1dfVzjjy6PlQiEh0qBDMhPjUrAPF6dXxbOJ901w45DxDt8T+aMxBahu7rM J9fex/aDqHu/rEEaQFq9JZf92Kb1sDzOTMoROD57s3VMOHKKfGQdhIUFQsB0Oa2A NgyACq4Qd4q19Cb0LaMJl2FWa8ZklQ== =V0D4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Mon Jul 26 11:22:54 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2BD23A00D5 for ; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jacques Latour wrote: > The link to the slides go to some slides on " CELLAR Codec Encoding f= or > LossLess Archiving and Realtime transmission" Yup. Ooops. I uploaded the correct slides to DT, and I'll fix the agenda to point at it. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmD/HXwACgkQgItw+93Q 3WVz2Af/cmr0PRBQHM3mZCsjo9cNh538itZUvVxUWUX3ZM7Qv6660foLMsHeXvr/ jFNKKZ+2JdA7VKnDY2IdAQVSGHRKDtThm7TtPZX1MOQw4r36Dd1WtB89rfQcj+aA D8ZOXbDx6nJ7CJUU/R7QznAwEZ7OTCar9W+gzqrb6hlRLBOQiv1r7UOaqnFJz1nL T9buMjqNgxXCH0Z6SVgLGqueWbaBicVhj8zfyG+T0/hQUEBFJGiV080Km9gNm9UW dN8ildLi4aD+Chlp6l7NQ2DxcnydDI1ZkmLG2Qj003xW/NLK8SzzZx8lgOKsbd0+ ikkBUqKNcy9CfU+8bUfH3m2As2exJw== =OBlf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From nobody Fri Jul 30 13:48:56 2021 Return-Path: X-Original-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: danish@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EB3F3A1001; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:48:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.898 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.898 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_BLOCKED=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LYiEaeuYloXq; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:48:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca (tuna.sandelman.ca [209.87.249.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ADH-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 010513A0FFD; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 13:48:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBE58389BC; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 16:52:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from tuna.sandelman.ca ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 3_RAvp123uyH; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 16:52:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sandelman.ca (obiwan.sandelman.ca [IPv6:2607:f0b0:f:2::247]) by tuna.sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2FF3389B0; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 16:52:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by sandelman.ca (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0A60FC; Fri, 30 Jul 2021 16:48:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Richardson To: "saag\@ietf.org" , danish@ietf.org X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7+dev; GNU Emacs 26.1 X-Face: $\n1pF)h^`}$H>Hk{L"x@)JS7<%Az}5RyS@k9X%29-lHB$Ti.V>2bi.~ehC0; <'$9xN5Ub# z!G,p`nR&p7Fz@^UXIn156S8.~^@MJ*mMsD7=QFeq%AL4m Archived-At: Subject: [Danish] danish report for saag X-BeenThere: danish@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DANE AutheNtication for Iot Service Hardening List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2021 20:48:55 -0000 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The DANISH BOF met on Tuesday morning at IETF-111. This was a WG-forming BOF, and there was a lot more discussion about the charter and the goals for the WG. Many noted that the IETF-110 BOF seemed way too quiet, and the BOF chairs hypothesized that scheduling conflicts meant that we did not have enough opinions in the room. We have captured a lot of notes into the codimd, which is now posted on github, and will be uploaded. Turning the comments into revisions to the charter is now the hard part. =2D- Michael Richardson . o O ( IPv6 I=C3=B8T consulti= ng ) Sandelman Software Works Inc, Ottawa and Worldwide --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEzBAEBCgAdFiEEbsyLEzg/qUTA43uogItw+93Q3WUFAmEEZa0ACgkQgItw+93Q 3WUEygf9H57Ef7fglvE44KiRX7UytqJ75JHQNF4EuWNFrx2H+VKnJ7+15kGbIY1H e43mj/+CnpjlJgA301A/BCn8HGEoVkdtkKinJbZkwIcMsJ3+3hLqkAL7acEj+irU iAtypu731ogSsE8k0l0SU7SNUei6se8WzFclvAf6xVPLuB0oz5jvdxkqEW1b1gKG xMQhSXTrGERqYRw3C1WEkmLF3g04lOJGmNyZBKtFC1NiVbfp7aRbZQvrhoCXP71O eURUHW8LZaZB38Rvd/p8PzszYbWhShYUzV2yaq0BjueaHkztFkYvAWA8rshPw0t+ IbnqphdlWYZ7ZTEPicSKUtqVUuN6FQ== =Pf10 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--