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Thanks, Haibin & Rich From leek4u@gmail.com Mon Jul 5 19:12:54 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F08793A697A; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:12:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.175 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.175 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.342, BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_34=0.6, J_CHICKENPOX_45=0.6, SARE_MILLIONSOF=0.315] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3E1nAmiGud1n; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f172.google.com (mail-pv0-f172.google.com [74.125.83.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B2E13A68CB; Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:12:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pvd12 with SMTP id 12so3237571pvd.31 for ; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:date :message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer:thread-index :content-language; bh=mt6ye/wt61C2hMGWTv4yfDB/EOemkYGVSMisqU18X4Q=; b=pa383dxDWKzjmf/iqXZg7puPWg8JhoaM8+OeO10c3snoqViOsbB5AzO6VPTIifO5Kg fQlNMzjpk78/kheihPj+x/K1cy2X4ORtT9Ljj7qfXD+nYpJF9YefvkHaYA0FJNtLneqE MMYtrY9+Lng9ybtm8o+8pfL1uA6Z4e5lPqOrM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version:content-type:x-mailer :thread-index:content-language; b=YVs05+r3RTC+liQOgqT1ad+KYokI+vA1GveEeJcNSRvk5ASyybVitP6+9zfMVtYIzL aWz1kxyTQCaAFkOZtABh0TZmoB+Vrnh8uUmhy8R8HaHW/cg4dfNBC7aHUnJUaVAVvbHz yLUudAY4FimHY8COGEN7fGCc/KqnkgE+hZGMs= Received: by 10.142.132.12 with SMTP id f12mr4359649wfd.225.1278382361323; Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:12:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LeekPC ([219.142.69.35]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r27sm5231177rvq.9.2010.07.05.19.12.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:12:40 -0700 (PDT) From: "Likai" To: , Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 10:12:31 +0800 Message-ID: <003b01cb1cb0$b5750cc0$205f2640$@com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003C_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: AcscsLCnGsZ8RF3tSS21VPPOmPUMkw== Content-Language: zh-cn Subject: [decade] I-D ACTION:draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jul 2010 02:12:55 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_003D_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0" ------=_NextPart_001_003D_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all: We had a trial in ChinaTelecom's real network base on ALTO and DECADE mechanism in past 12 months. It's my pleasure to share the trial experience with ALTO and DECADE working group. We invite you for a discussion about the draft. We propose this draft to be a BCP document of ALTO if ALTO will do some re-charter. If there is any problem please let me know. You can find the trial draft here: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt Thanks for your time Best regards, Kai lee and Kaiyu Zhou, on behalf of all authors ------=_NextPart_001_003D_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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We = had a trial in ChinaTelecom’s real network base on ALTO and DECADE mechanism = in past 12 months. It’s my pleasure to share the trial experience with ALTO = and DECADE working group. We invite you for a discussion about the draft. =

We propose this draft to be a BCP document of ALTO if ALTO will do some re-charter. = If there is any problem please let me know.

You = can find the trial draft here:  = http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt

Thanks for your time

Best = regards,

Kai lee and Kaiyu Zhou, on = behalf of all authors

 

 

------=_NextPart_001_003D_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0-- ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt" ALTO Kai.Lee Internet Draft K.Zhou Intended status: Informational A.Wang China Telecom = =20 Expires: January 2011 July 5, 2010 ALTO and DECADE service trial within China Telecom=20 draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt Status of this Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. 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Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified BSD License. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 1] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 Abstract This document reports the experience of China Telecom in a recent experiment with the ALTO service and P2P caches deployment. It is found that the deployment of the ALTO service significantly improves the capability of a Service Provider to affect the distribution of P2P traffic. It is also found that a traffic localized ALTO policy may decrease the download speed of a P2P user. However, the deployment of some P2P caches can compensate such influence. Table of Contents 1. Introduction ................................................. 2 2. High level description of the trial .......................... 3 2.1. Difference between standard ALTO protocol ............... 3 2.2. Difference between Comcast's trial ...................... 4 3. Trial results ................................................ 5 3.1. ALTO server policy test ................................. 6 3.2. P2P cache test .......................................... 7 4. Methods of data collection.................................... 8 5. Next steps ................................................... 9 6. Security Considerations....................................... 9 7. IANA Considerations .......................................... 9 8. References ................................................... 9 Author's Addresses ............................................. 10 1. Introduction Although another trial on P4P, the predecessor of the ALTO, is available by Comcast, the impact of ALTO on a large scale real network has never publicly reported. Such real network should post no limitation on either the number of contents or the number of users. This draft reports the experience of China Telecom in a recent experiment with the deployment of the ALTO service and P2P caches. With over 60 million fixed-line broadband subscribers, China Telecom is the largest broadband service provider in China. It has one IP backbone network that cover all of the 31 provinces and about 200 MAN networks managed by the provinces respectively. This trial was taken place in one province with 7 million broadband subscribers and about 11 MAN networks. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 2] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 Xunlei, the cooperator of this trial, is a leading P2P service provider in China. Xunlei supports both file downloads and real time media streaming. In 2009, when was this trail occurring, it serves over 20 million users each day. This trial is a joint effort of China Telecom and Xunlei. During this trial, China Telecom provided the following devices: an alto server for distribute ALTO information, some P2P caches to test its influence on traffic localization and user experience. China Telecom also monitored the traffic load within its backbone. Xunlei provided the P2P client and users. To support this trial, Xunlei modified its platform to support ALTO, and recorded operational information on its platform according to the requirement of China Telecom. Note that the client of Xunlei was not changed. 2. High level description of the trial 2.1. Difference between standard ALTO protocol Note that ALTO protocol is still on progressing, in this trail, some modifications were made to the ALTO. First, a notification mechanism for the ALTO server is introduced. With this mechanism, the ALTO server notifies its clients the changes of network maps and cost maps. Thus, ALTO clients can respond fast to the change of traffic optimizing policy. One problem that this trail met is to find the effect of ALTO&Cache deployment. The traffic within the IP backbone is highly periodical For example, the traffic on each weekend is higher than the workday = of same week. As such, data should be collected in the same workday in different week. This can facilitate the comparison of the effects on p2p traffic under different ALTO configuration and different policy, and to evaluate the effect of ALTO service In this trail, ALTO clients were just embedded in the trackers of Xunlei, not in the Xunlei clients. The reason for this is mainly for deployment consideraton. There are hundreds of millions of Xunlei clients in use, To update these clients as the ALTO client in a short time is not feasible. However, according to the analysis of Xunlei, although both tracker based and tracker-less technology are adopted, the traffic does not controlled by the trackers is less Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 3] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 than 15% of its total traffic. Based on this analysis, in this trial, Xunlei clients are not involved in the ALTO service which has negligible influence on the final evaluation of this trial. Such design can also reduce the load on the ALTO server. Secondly, only map service is provided in this trial. Other services of ALTO service were not deployed, as they are not essential for this trial. 2.2. Difference with Comcast's trial Comcast has a trial with limited swarms, with the cooperation of Pando. According to (ref), there are five swarms, and overall 57,000 peers are involved in that trial. There are several differences between our trial and Comcast's trial: 1. The scope of the trail: This trial covers the whole province with over 700 million broadband users. It lasted for over 4 months. There are countless swarms with all kinds of contents. Thus, this trial is more realistic than the previous trial from Comcast. 2. The usage of P2P cache: This trail differs from the previous trail by the utilization of P2P cache. In this trail, the average download speed of a Xunlei client decreases with the increase of the level of traffic localization. Thus the usage of P2P cache was introduced to compensate the decrease of download speed. 3. The evaluation method: In contrast to that all test data was collected by Pando client in Comcast's trial, we collect test data from two ways. Besides the data from Xunlei P2P client, we simultaneously collect the data from network operator's NMS system.(such as data from SNMP reports and DPI(deep package inspection) device deployed on backbone). We can do this because Xunlei's p2p traffic occupy 20% of backbone traffic flow. This traffic flow will all be affected by our alto policy and it is big enough to be observed by network operator's NMS system. 4. The implementation of ALTO: In this trial, only the P2P trackers are ALTO clients, but not those Xunlei clients. There are some reasons to do this: a) To avoid the update all Xunlei clients and simplify the deployment of trial. b) To lessen the alto server load. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 4] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 c) Above 85% of Xunlei traffic flow is controlled by Xunlei tracker, the traffic flow from DHT mechanism is less than 15%. An alto server dedicated for Xunlei tracker can control majority of Xunlei traffic flow. 3. Trial results This trial used all Xunlei p2p client in the province and all contents that are requested or served by Xunlei P2P client in the province. The trial environment is more realistic than comcast's. A primary objective of this trial is to measure the effects of traffic localization and change of users download speed in comparison to normal p2p activity. The test process is divided into two parts: first part is just applied the ALTO server to measure the effects of traffic localization and change of P2P user experience. The second part is to introduce the P2P cache to the trial, to measure the improvement of user download speed, the bandwidth consumption and their relationship with the scale of cache and. Our trial starts at 2009.6.12 and ends at 2009.10.18, lasting nearly four months. We do this trial by applying different ALTO policy to Xunlei tracker. There are two kinds of ALTO policy: One is optimized policy and the other is normal policy. The optimized policy will try to localize the traffic as much as possible by utilizing the information from ALTO server. The normal policy will just use the original Xunlei peer selection and traffic control rules and no alto policy are involved. We usually change the alto policy in midnight of a day and send a notification to Xunlei tracker with notification mechanism.(http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-sun-alto-notification- 02.txt) Before we do the trial , we collect the information about Xunlei'S peer and traffic distribution Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 5] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 +------------------------------------------+--------------------+ | No |Data Item |Description |The way of | | | | |collection | +----+---------- -+------------------------+--------------------+ | 1 |Peer |24.6% is within |Random sampling by | | |distribution|the province,75.4% |Xunlei tracker 24 | | | |is out of the |times one day | | | |province | | +----+------------+------------------------+--------------------+ | |Traffic |76.9% is |Random selecting | | 2 |distribution|intra-province traffic |peers to report | | | |23.1% is |their traffic flow | | | |inter-province traffic | | +----+------------+------------------------+--------------------+ 3.1. ALTO server policy test After we applied the alto optimized policy about 60% inter-province traffic has became The intra-province traffic. Below is the result that we observed on china telecom's network NMS system: Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 6] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 = +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | No |Data Item |Description |The way of = | | | | |collection = | +----+---------- = -+------------------------+-----------------------+ | 1 |Outbound |Decreased 42.77Gbps, Collecting max average = | | |bandwidth |about 50.61% of total outbound traffic of = | | | |Xunlei outbound |a day from the DPI = | | | |traffic |system = | = +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ | |Inbound/ |outbound bandwidth |Collecting max average = | | 2 |outbound |decreased 31.58Gbps |inbound/outbound = | | |bandwidth |inbound bandwidth traffic of a day from = | | | |decreased 10.46Gbps |the snmp system = | = +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ User's average download speed will decreased if traffic localization policy is applied 3.2. P2P cache test In this trial we deployed 16 cache devices, each with 1.8TB SAS hard disks. The P2P cache system has 15Gbps links connected to the internet. We cached the content according to its popularity. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 7] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 = +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | No |Data Item |Description |The way of = | | | | |collection = | +----+---------- = -+------------------------+-----------------------+ | 1 |Outbound |Decreased 40Gbps, Collecting max average = | | |bandwidth |about 54.47% of total outbound traffic of = | | | |Xunlei outbound traffic |a day from the DPI = | | | | |system = | = +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ | |Inbound/ |outbound bandwidth |Collecting max average = | | 2 |outbound |decreased 39.18Gbps |inbound/outbound = | | |bandwidth |inbound bandwidth traffic of a day from = | | | |decreased 28.3 Gbps |the snmp system = | = +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ | 3 |Average |From 279KBps up to |Collection from Xunlei = | | |download |294.5KBps |OAM system = | | |speed | | = | = +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ The P2P cache system occupancy ratio is about 80%. Bandwidth consumed is about 4-5Gbps. After deployed the P2P cache system, the traffic flow in the the province has decreased a lot. Meanwhile the average download speed of Xunlei client has been increased. 4. Methods of data collection In this trial we have two ways for information collection; one is to collect from p2p service provider such as Pando and Xunlei just like comcast's trial. The other is to collect from ISP's network OAM system. Because the Xunlei's inter-province traffic flow is about 80Gbps that is large enough to be observed by ISP's network OAM system Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 8] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 1. Information from ISP's network OAM system and DPI system include a) Inbound/outbound traffic flow statistic b) Xunlei traffic flow detected by DPI system. The DPI system just monitored the uplink of the province to China telecom's backbone. 2. Information from Xunlei a) Inter-province/intra-province traffic flow. b) User average download speed. 5. Next steps The alto mechanism is very effective to optimize the traffic flow. But when the traffic is localized, the user average download speed is slowed down simultaneously. If alto can cooperate with DECADE or other service performance enhancement mechanism, it will be more practical. 6. Security Considerations High-level security considerations can be found in the [draft-ietf- alto-problem-statement]. 7. IANA Considerations This document requests the registration of a new media type: "application/alto" 8. References [RFC 5693] Seedorf, J. and E. Burger, "Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) Problem Statement", RFC 5693, October 2009. [I-D.ietf-alto-reqs] Kiesel, S., Popkin, L., Previdi, S., Woundy, R., and Y. Yang, "Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) Requirements", draft-ietf-alto-reqs-01 (work in progress),July 2009. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 9] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 [I-D.penno-alto-protocol] Penno, R. and Y. Yang, "ALTO Protocol", draft-ietf-alto-protocol-01 (work in progress), July 2009. [I-D.song-decade-survey] R. Alimi and Z. Lu, "A Survey of In-network Storage Systems"=09 draft-song-decade-survey-02(work in progress), December , 2009 Author's Addresses Kai Lee China Telecom Beijing Research Institute Room 708 No.118, Xizhimenneidajie, xicheng District Beijing 100035 China Email: leekai@ctbri.com.cn =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom Beijing Research Institute Room 708 No.118, Xizhimenneidajie, xicheng District Beijing 100035 China Email: wangaj@ctbri.com.cn Kaiyu Zhou China Telecom Beijing Research Institute Room 708 No.118, Xizhimenneidajie, xicheng District Beijing 100035 China Email: zhouky@ctbri.com.cn Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 10] ------=_NextPart_000_003C_01CB1CF3.C3984CC0-- From li.lichun1@zte.com.cn Tue Jul 6 01:05:34 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ADAA3A6816; Tue, 6 Jul 2010 01:05:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: 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filename="draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ALTO Kai.Lee Internet Draft K.Zhou Intended status: Informational A.Wang China Telecom = =20 Expires: January 2011 July 5, 2010 ALTO and DECADE service trial within China Telecom=20 draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt Status of this Memo This Internet-Draft is submitted to IETF in full conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet- Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than as "work in progress." The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. This Internet-Draft will expire on April 19, 2010. Copyright Notice Copyright (c) 2010 IETF Trust and the persons identified as the document authors. All rights reserved. This document is subject to BCP 78 and the IETF Trust's Legal Provisions Relating to IETF Documents (http://trustee.ietf.org/license-info) in effect on the date of publication of this document. Please review these documents carefully, as they describe your rights and restrictions with respect to this document. Code Components extracted from this document must include Simplified BSD License text as described in Section 4.e of the Trust Legal Provisions and are provided without warranty as described in the Simplified BSD License. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 1] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 Abstract This document reports the experience of China Telecom in a recent experiment with the ALTO service and P2P caches deployment. It is found that the deployment of the ALTO service significantly improves the capability of a Service Provider to affect the distribution of P2P traffic. It is also found that a traffic localized ALTO policy may decrease the download speed of a P2P user. However, the deployment of some P2P caches can compensate such influence. Table of Contents 1. Introduction ................................................. 2 2. High level description of the trial .......................... 3 2.1. Difference between standard ALTO protocol ............... 3 2.2. Difference between Comcast's trial ...................... 4 3. Trial results ................................................ 5 3.1. ALTO server policy test ................................. 6 3.2. P2P cache test .......................................... 7 4. Methods of data collection.................................... 8 5. Next steps ................................................... 9 6. Security Considerations....................................... 9 7. IANA Considerations .......................................... 9 8. References ................................................... 9 Author's Addresses ............................................. 10 1. Introduction Although another trial on P4P, the predecessor of the ALTO, is available by Comcast, the impact of ALTO on a large scale real network has never publicly reported. Such real network should post no limitation on either the number of contents or the number of users. This draft reports the experience of China Telecom in a recent experiment with the deployment of the ALTO service and P2P caches. With over 60 million fixed-line broadband subscribers, China Telecom is the largest broadband service provider in China. It has one IP backbone network that cover all of the 31 provinces and about 200 MAN networks managed by the provinces respectively. This trial was taken place in one province with 7 million broadband subscribers and about 11 MAN networks. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 2] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 Xunlei, the cooperator of this trial, is a leading P2P service provider in China. Xunlei supports both file downloads and real time media streaming. In 2009, when was this trail occurring, it serves over 20 million users each day. This trial is a joint effort of China Telecom and Xunlei. During this trial, China Telecom provided the following devices: an alto server for distribute ALTO information, some P2P caches to test its influence on traffic localization and user experience. China Telecom also monitored the traffic load within its backbone. Xunlei provided the P2P client and users. To support this trial, Xunlei modified its platform to support ALTO, and recorded operational information on its platform according to the requirement of China Telecom. Note that the client of Xunlei was not changed. 2. High level description of the trial 2.1. Difference between standard ALTO protocol Note that ALTO protocol is still on progressing, in this trail, some modifications were made to the ALTO. First, a notification mechanism for the ALTO server is introduced. With this mechanism, the ALTO server notifies its clients the changes of network maps and cost maps. Thus, ALTO clients can respond fast to the change of traffic optimizing policy. One problem that this trail met is to find the effect of ALTO&Cache deployment. The traffic within the IP backbone is highly periodical For example, the traffic on each weekend is higher than the workday of same week. As such, data should be collected in the same workday in different week. This can facilitate the comparison of the effects on p2p traffic under different ALTO configuration and different policy, and to evaluate the effect of ALTO service In this trail, ALTO clients were just embedded in the trackers of Xunlei, not in the Xunlei clients. The reason for this is mainly for deployment consideraton. There are hundreds of millions of Xunlei clients in use, To update these clients as the ALTO client in a short time is not feasible. However, according to the analysis of Xunlei, although both tracker based and tracker-less technology are adopted, the traffic does not controlled by the trackers is less Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 3] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 than 15% of its total traffic. Based on this analysis, in this trial, Xunlei clients are not involved in the ALTO service which has negligible influence on the final evaluation of this trial. Such design can also reduce the load on the ALTO server. Secondly, only map service is provided in this trial. Other services of ALTO service were not deployed, as they are not essential for this trial. 2.2. Difference with Comcast's trial Comcast has a trial with limited swarms, with the cooperation of Pando. According to (ref), there are five swarms, and overall 57,000 peers are involved in that trial. There are several differences between our trial and Comcast's trial: 1. The scope of the trail: This trial covers the whole province with over 700 million broadband users. It lasted for over 4 months. There are countless swarms with all kinds of contents. Thus, this trial is more realistic than the previous trial from Comcast. 2. The usage of P2P cache: This trail differs from the previous trail by the utilization of P2P cache. In this trail, the average download speed of a Xunlei client decreases with the increase of the level of traffic localization. Thus the usage of P2P cache was introduced to compensate the decrease of download speed. 3. The evaluation method: In contrast to that all test data was collected by Pando client in Comcast's trial, we collect test data from two ways. Besides the data from Xunlei P2P client, we simultaneously collect the data from network operator's NMS system.(such as data from SNMP reports and DPI(deep package inspection) device deployed on backbone). We can do this because Xunlei's p2p traffic occupy 20% of backbone traffic flow. This traffic flow will all be affected by our alto policy and it is big enough to be observed by network operator's NMS system. 4. The implementation of ALTO: In this trial, only the P2P trackers are ALTO clients, but not those Xunlei clients. There are some reasons to do this: a) To avoid the update all Xunlei clients and simplify the deployment of trial. b) To lessen the alto server load. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 4] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 c) Above 85% of Xunlei traffic flow is controlled by Xunlei tracker, the traffic flow from DHT mechanism is less than 15%. An alto server dedicated for Xunlei tracker can control majority of Xunlei traffic flow. 3. Trial results This trial used all Xunlei p2p client in the province and all contents that are requested or served by Xunlei P2P client in the province. The trial environment is more realistic than comcast's. A primary objective of this trial is to measure the effects of traffic localization and change of users download speed in comparison to normal p2p activity. The test process is divided into two parts: first part is just applied the ALTO server to measure the effects of traffic localization and change of P2P user experience. The second part is to introduce the P2P cache to the trial, to measure the improvement of user download speed, the bandwidth consumption and their relationship with the scale of cache and. Our trial starts at 2009.6.12 and ends at 2009.10.18, lasting nearly four months. We do this trial by applying different ALTO policy to Xunlei tracker. There are two kinds of ALTO policy: One is optimized policy and the other is normal policy. The optimized policy will try to localize the traffic as much as possible by utilizing the information from ALTO server. The normal policy will just use the original Xunlei peer selection and traffic control rules and no alto policy are involved. We usually change the alto policy in midnight of a day and send a notification to Xunlei tracker with notification mechanism.(http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-sun-alto-notification- 02.txt) Before we do the trial , we collect the information about Xunlei'S peer and traffic distribution Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 5] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 +------------------------------------------+--------------------+ | No |Data Item |Description |The way of | | | | |collection | +----+---------- -+------------------------+--------------------+ | 1 |Peer |24.6% is within |Random sampling by | | |distribution|the province,75.4% |Xunlei tracker 24 | | | |is out of the |times one day | | | |province | | +----+------------+------------------------+--------------------+ | |Traffic |76.9% is |Random selecting | | 2 |distribution|intra-province traffic |peers to report | | | |23.1% is |their traffic flow | | | |inter-province traffic | | +----+------------+------------------------+--------------------+ 3.1. ALTO server policy test After we applied the alto optimized policy about 60% inter-province traffic has became The intra-province traffic. Below is the result that we observed on china telecom's network NMS system: Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 6] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | No |Data Item |Description |The way of | | | | |collection | +----+---------- -+------------------------+-----------------------+ | 1 |Outbound |Decreased 42.77Gbps, Collecting max average | | |bandwidth |about 50.61% of total outbound traffic of | | | |Xunlei outbound |a day from the DPI | | | |traffic |system | +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ | |Inbound/ |outbound bandwidth |Collecting max average | | 2 |outbound |decreased 31.58Gbps |inbound/outbound | | |bandwidth |inbound bandwidth traffic of a day from | | | |decreased 10.46Gbps |the snmp system | +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ User's average download speed will decreased if traffic localization policy is applied 3.2. P2P cache test In this trial we deployed 16 cache devices, each with 1.8TB SAS hard disks. The P2P cache system has 15Gbps links connected to the internet. We cached the content according to its popularity. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 7] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 +------------------------------------------+-----------------------+ | No |Data Item |Description |The way of | | | | |collection | +----+---------- -+------------------------+-----------------------+ | 1 |Outbound |Decreased 40Gbps, Collecting max average | | |bandwidth |about 54.47% of total outbound traffic of | | | |Xunlei outbound traffic |a day from the DPI | | | | |system | +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ | |Inbound/ |outbound bandwidth |Collecting max average | | 2 |outbound |decreased 39.18Gbps |inbound/outbound | | |bandwidth |inbound bandwidth traffic of a day from | | | |decreased 28.3 Gbps |the snmp system | +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ | 3 |Average |From 279KBps up to |Collection from Xunlei | | |download |294.5KBps |OAM system | | |speed | | | +----+------------+------------------------+-----------------------+ The P2P cache system occupancy ratio is about 80%. Bandwidth consumed is about 4-5Gbps. After deployed the P2P cache system, the traffic flow in the the province has decreased a lot. Meanwhile the average download speed of Xunlei client has been increased. 4. Methods of data collection In this trial we have two ways for information collection; one is to collect from p2p service provider such as Pando and Xunlei just like comcast's trial. The other is to collect from ISP's network OAM system. Because the Xunlei's inter-province traffic flow is about 80Gbps that is large enough to be observed by ISP's network OAM system Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 8] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 1. Information from ISP's network OAM system and DPI system include a) Inbound/outbound traffic flow statistic b) Xunlei traffic flow detected by DPI system. The DPI system just monitored the uplink of the province to China telecom's backbone. 2. Information from Xunlei a) Inter-province/intra-province traffic flow. b) User average download speed. 5. Next steps The alto mechanism is very effective to optimize the traffic flow. But when the traffic is localized, the user average download speed is slowed down simultaneously. If alto can cooperate with DECADE or other service performance enhancement mechanism, it will be more practical. 6. Security Considerations High-level security considerations can be found in the [draft-ietf- alto-problem-statement]. 7. IANA Considerations This document requests the registration of a new media type: "application/alto" 8. References [RFC 5693] Seedorf, J. and E. Burger, "Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) Problem Statement", RFC 5693, October 2009. [I-D.ietf-alto-reqs] Kiesel, S., Popkin, L., Previdi, S., Woundy, R., and Y. Yang, "Application-Layer Traffic Optimization (ALTO) Requirements", draft-ietf-alto-reqs-01 (work in progress),July 2009. Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 9] Internet-Draft < ALTO and DECADE service trial> July 2010 [I-D.penno-alto-protocol] Penno, R. and Y. Yang, "ALTO Protocol", draft-ietf-alto-protocol-01 (work in progress), July 2009. [I-D.song-decade-survey] R. Alimi and Z. Lu, "A Survey of In-network Storage Systems"=09 draft-song-decade-survey-02(work in progress), December , 2009 Author's Addresses Kai Lee China Telecom Beijing Research Institute Room 708 No.118, Xizhimenneidajie, xicheng District Beijing 100035 China Email: leekai@ctbri.com.cn =20 Aijun Wang China Telecom Beijing Research Institute Room 708 No.118, Xizhimenneidajie, xicheng District Beijing 100035 China Email: wangaj@ctbri.com.cn Kaiyu Zhou China Telecom Beijing Research Institute Room 708 No.118, Xizhimenneidajie, xicheng District Beijing 100035 China Email: zhouky@ctbri.com.cn Expires January 5, 2011 [Page 10] --=_mixed 002C21BB48257758_=-- From borje.ohlman@ericsson.com Fri Jul 9 02:18:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6F323A68E9 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 02:18:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.072 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.072 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.999, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_SUB_OBFU_Q1=0.227] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XeAemVGBXnPq for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 02:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (mailgw10.se.ericsson.net [193.180.251.61]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242A3A6891 for ; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 02:18:31 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb3d-b7b90ae00000278d-2d-4c36e95c58f3 Received: from esessmw0247.eemea.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.253.125]) by mailgw10.se.ericsson.net (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id 8C.53.10125.C59E63C4; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:18:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [153.88.55.84] (153.88.115.8) by exchange-115-vip1.ss.sw.ericsson.se (153.88.115.93) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 8.2.234.1; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:18:20 +0200 Message-ID: <4C36E956.5020203@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:18:14 +0200 From: =?UTF-8?B?QsO2cmplIE9obG1hbg==?= User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (Windows/20100228) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050709000300040102070401" X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== Cc: WP6 4WARD <4WP6@verkstad.net> Subject: [decade] [Fwd: New Version Notification for draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01] X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:18:33 -0000 --------------050709000300040102070401 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit We have submitted an update to the draft draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-00. 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Filename:	 draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs
Revision:	 01
Title:		 Requirements for accessing data in network storage
Creation_date:	 2010-07-09
WG ID:		 Independent Submission
Number_of_pages: 9

Abstract:
So far, the intended scope of the DECoupled Application Data Enroute
(DECADE) working group has mainly been focused on peer-to-peer (P2P)
applications.  There are however many non-P2P-based applications that
could also benefit from in-network storage for caching content.  The
target of DECADE should thus be to specify a mechanism that is also
suitable for generic applications with certain characteristics and
not only P2P applications.  This document enumerates a number of
requirements that should be considered during the design and
implementation of this mechanism.
                                                                                  


The IETF Secretariat.
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What's the download speed before using ALTO?=20 BR=20 Lichun "Likai" =20 =B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB: alto-bounces@ietf.org=20 2010-07-06 10:12=20 =CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB , =20 =B3=AD=CB=CD =09 =D6=F7=CC=E2 [alto] I-D ACTION:draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt =20 =09 =20 Hi all:=20 We had a trial in ChinaTelecom=A1=AFs real network base on ALTO and = DECADE mechanism in past 12 months. It=A1=AFs my pleasure to share the trial = experience with ALTO and DECADE working group. We invite you for a discussion about = the draft.=20 We propose this draft to be a BCP document of ALTO if ALTO will do some re-charter. If there is any problem please let me know.=20 You can find the trial draft here: http://www.ietf.org/id/draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt=20 Thanks for your time=20 Best regards,=20 Kai lee and Kaiyu Zhou, on behalf of all authors=20 =20 _______________________________________________ alto mailing list alto@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/alto =20 =20 -------------------------------------------------------- ZTE Information Security Notice: The information contained in this mail = is solely property of the sender's organization. This mail communication is confidential. Recipients named above are obligated to maintain secrecy = and are not permitted to disclose the contents of this communication to = others. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and = intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are = addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the originator of = the message. 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Hi lichun:

Average xunlei client download speed is about 270Kbps at that = time.

 

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Interesting. What's the download speed before using ALTO? =



BR
Lichun


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Hi all:
We had a trial in ChinaTelecom=A1=AFs real network base on ALTO and DECADE = mechanism in past 12 months. It=A1=AFs my pleasure to share the trial experience with = ALTO and DECADE working group. We invite you for a discussion about the draft. =
We propose this draft to be a BCP document of ALTO if ALTO will do some re-charter. If there is any problem please let me know.


You can find the trial draft here:  = http://www.= ietf.org/id/draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00.txt =
Thanks for your time
Best regards,
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------=_NextPart_000_0045_01CB21E2.2BD0A290-- From melodysong@huawei.com Wed Jul 14 02:14:43 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB6FB3A6944 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:14:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.423 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.423 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.176, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5ZyFpuHBsVul for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:14:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga05-in.huawei.com (szxga04-in.huawei.com [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9D23A68B6 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 02:14:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga05-in [172.24.2.49]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5J00JGCJ0OQJ@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:14:49 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5J00MGBJ0OI7@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:14:48 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081a ([10.138.84.48]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L5J004LIJ0LKT@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:14:48 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 17:14:35 +0800 From: Song Haibin To: decade@ietf.org Message-id: <013001cb2334$fa4664e0$eed32ea0$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: zh-cn Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcsisevA7MOeFJwCR+iRlA9wEszbvAAgwZbA Subject: [decade] FW: IETF 78 - Early Bird Registration Cut-off X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 09:14:43 -0000 FYI. > -----Original Message----- > From: ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:ietf-announce-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:36 AM > To: IETF Announcement list > Cc: wgchairs@ietf.org > Subject: IETF 78 - Early Bird Registration Cut-off > > 78th IETF Meeting > Maastricht, Netherlands > July 25-30, 2010 > > 1. Registration: Early Bird Cut-off is this Friday 16 July > 2. Social Event > > Please note: Breakfast will -NOT- be provided at the MECC (IETF meeting > venue) > > ======================================================= > 1) Registration Cut-off Dates > You can register on line at: http://www.ietf.org/meeting/78/index.html > Please note the following registration cut-off dates: > * 2010-07-16 (Friday): Early Bird registration and payment cut-off at > 17:00 PDT (24:00 UTC). > * 2010-07-19 (Monday): Registration cancellation cut-off at 17:00 PDT > (24:00 UTC). > * 2010-07-23 (Friday): Final Pre-Registration and Pre-Payment cut-off > at 17:00 local Maastricht time (08:00 PDT, 15:00 UTC). > > 2) Social Event > General Information: http://www.ietf78.nl/social-event.html > Where: On the banks of the Meuse River > Date: Tuesday 27 July 2010 > Time: 19:30 - 22:30 (Note: this is a new time) > Host: Ministry of Economic Affairs, the Province of Limburg and the > Municipality of Maastricht > > Maastricht, one of the Netherlands oldest and most beautiful cities, is > the backdrop to this spectacular social event, exclusively for visitors to > the 78th IETF meeting. It is a lighthearted break in the IETF78 Maastricht > program - an event you do not want to miss! > > You must register for the IETF meeting before you can purchase social > event tickets. > > Only 12 days until IETF 78! > > _______________________________________________ > IETF-Announce mailing list > IETF-Announce@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf-announce From melodysong@huawei.com Wed Jul 14 03:40:53 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 760F23A687D for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:40:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.018 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.018 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.012, BAYES_05=-1.11, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dKlnlu8k50cu for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C29F3A6858 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:40:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5J00G2XMSJ1Q@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:36:19 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5J00CGJMSJM0@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:36:19 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081a ([10.138.84.48]) by szxml06-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L5J00351MSEGJ@szxml06-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:36:19 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:35:42 +0800 From: Song Haibin To: decade@ietf.org Message-id: <017501cb2340$4f47dd60$edd79820$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-language: zh-cn Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-index: AcsjQE7dm393r+drSvKA9/9ozy2uIg== Subject: [decade] Draft agenda for DECADE meeting X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:40:53 -0000 Hi all, According to the requests the chairs have received, here is the draft = agenda for the DECADE meeting. If you have any question, please send it to the chairs. (1) Problem statement (20min, Presenter: TBD) http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02.txt (2) Requirements (30min, Presenter: TBD) http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-gu-decade-reqs-05.txt (3) Add use cases and requirements (20min, Presenter: B=F6rje?) http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01.txt (4) Survey=20 (a) draft-song-decade-survey (25min, Presenter: TBD) http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-song-decade-survey-04.txt (b) An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15min, = Presenter: Akbar?) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-rahman-decade-survey-00 (5) China Telecom Trial (10min, Presenter: Kai Lee) http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00 BR, Haibin & Rich From melodysong@huawei.com Wed Jul 14 03:56:04 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CAB03A6774 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:56:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GaEovs6n1BZ7 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga02-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.65]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69CD93A6A20 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 03:56:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga02-in [172.24.2.6]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5J0055CNCENJ@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:48:14 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga02-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L5J008X0NCE4D@szxga02-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:48:14 +0800 (CST) Received: from s64081a ([10.138.84.48]) by szxml04-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L5J00590NCAKH@szxml04-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:48:14 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 18:48:26 +0800 From: Song Haibin To: decade@ietf.org Message-id: <017601cb2342$16b622c0$44226840$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: zh-cn Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcsjQhZhkiWdsnULRy251W7bEXnnUg== Subject: [decade] draft agenda posted X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 10:56:04 -0000 Hi all, We also posted the draft agenda to the website. You can find it here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.txt BR, Haibin & Rich From richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com Wed Jul 14 08:44:44 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 847633A6B7F for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:44:44 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -9.313 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-9.313 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.850, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RT46w8PDuJCF for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38EE93A6B7A for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 08:44:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.42]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.86205459; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:44:44 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.92) by PACDCEXHUB01.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.694.0; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:44:44 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:44:41 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 11:44:18 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <017601cb2342$16b622c0$44226840$@com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: draft agenda posted Thread-Index: AcsjQhZhkiWdsnULRy251W7bEXnnUgAKOpig References: <017601cb2342$16b622c0$44226840$@com> From: "Woundy, Richard" To: Song Haibin , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Jul 2010 15:44:41.0743 (UTC) FILETIME=[798519F0:01CB236B] Subject: Re: [decade] draft agenda posted X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2010 15:44:44 -0000 Folks, I changed the agenda from text to html to make it easier to use. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html -- Rich -----Original Message----- From: Song Haibin [mailto:melodysong@huawei.com]=20 Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:48 AM To: decade@ietf.org Cc: Woundy, Richard Subject: draft agenda posted Hi all, We also posted the draft agenda to the website. You can find it here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.txt BR, Haibin & Rich From buptxiaozhu@gmail.com Wed Jul 14 22:16:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B1293A66B4 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:16:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.697 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.697 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m8cw-IsoZQWS for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:16:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ew0-f44.google.com (mail-ew0-f44.google.com [209.85.215.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E60F63A684A for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:16:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ewy22 with SMTP id 22so133018ewy.31 for ; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:16:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=cYSTdFaDgn+JqQERgACX15BBUgRt+piC+Oo2RcvZLsg=; b=kRiz7HTIoyzBuhutzeFyEuA+0YHaJw0ZUYqpbsO77PxLy4Nhtrkx0NuKVB3j9+wi0U wiFIgHr5zmRqkjUc39qH9W2MNre30baTBWVRipxughRdZsIus/eBCFLn0YtPp07hH9JA efAeT+h5/0n6htpA5pvlbL88vBGpd3O0tMdMA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; b=fPhKB8L0Si13HD1ZKViz2X1IKUw9LmPjLMuUYxRu6+OU90B6WyTvSSQyfEDB/1ZOTi XC6a9tUsj71OrwiezR+RncVr1HyF3kX7OcQlCtWh+xLnpnbL63T7GNlOnZTS0zKIBAJE 7tecojd3GYAao5GTwABnaMfElRqBVAqASdCV0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.7.16 with SMTP id b16mr13444086ebb.34.1279170982834; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.101.11 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Jul 2010 22:16:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <017601cb2342$16b622c0$44226840$@com> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:16:22 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?GB2312?B?1uzk7A==?= To: decade@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174bef5c09f32e048b66344e Subject: Re: [decade] draft agenda posted X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 05:16:20 -0000 --0015174bef5c09f32e048b66344e Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi,all will anyone be nice to help me give me the strawman proposal draft link? no= t the presentation slide? thanks in advance=A3=BA=A3=A9 2010/7/14 Woundy, Richard > Folks, > > I changed the agenda from text to html to make it easier to use. > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html > > -- Rich > > -----Original Message----- > From: Song Haibin [mailto:melodysong@huawei.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:48 AM > To: decade@ietf.org > Cc: Woundy, Richard > Subject: draft agenda posted > > Hi all, > > We also posted the draft agenda to the website. You can find it here: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.txt > > BR, > Haibin & Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > decade mailing list > decade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade > --=20 Best wishes, Beijing University of Posts & Telecommunications (BUPT) Zhu Xiao ( =D6=EC=E4=EC ) E-mail: buptxiaozhu@gmail.com mobile:+86 134-8881-9004 --0015174bef5c09f32e048b66344e Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hi,all

will anyone be nice to help me give me the strawm= an proposal draft link? not the presentation slide?
tha= nks in advance=A3=BA=A3=A9

2010/7/14 Woun= dy, Richard <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>
Folks,

I changed the agenda from text to html to make it easier to use.

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html

-- Rich

-----Original Message-----
From: Song Haibin [mailto:melodyso= ng@huawei.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:48 AM
To: decade@ietf.org
Cc: Woundy, Richard
Subject: draft agenda posted

Hi all,

We also posted the draft agenda to the website. You can find it here:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.txt

BR,
Haibin & Rich



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decade@ietf.org
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--0015174bef5c09f32e048b66344e-- From richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com Thu Jul 15 13:37:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A20D3A6A89 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:37:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.513 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.513 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.801, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Es1MenUCv2MB for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:37:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8F603A69EC for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 13:37:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.42]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.86390921; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:37:37 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.92) by PACDCEXHUB01.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.694.0; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:37:37 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:37:36 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB245D.7056E543" Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 16:36:44 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [decade] draft agenda posted Thread-Index: Acsj3SJznD7o1rGkSjKRYb//E3wXSwAfr/jA References: <017601cb2342$16b622c0$44226840$@com> From: "Woundy, Richard" To: =?gb2312?B?1uzk7A==?= , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jul 2010 20:37:36.0707 (UTC) FILETIME=[8F6D8930:01CB245D] Subject: Re: [decade] draft agenda posted X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 20:37:31 -0000 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB245D.7056E543 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would suggest reading the DECADE charter = (http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/decade/charter/) first, so you can = understand what this working group is trying to accomplish. In brief, = the working group=A1=AFs primary tasks are to identify target = applications to use open protocols for in-network storage, to identify = requirements for application access to in-network storage, and to = develop an architecture for in-network storage that leverages existing = IETF protocols (for example, HTTP, NFS, or WebDAV) as much as possible. =20 Once you understand the purpose of this working group, you may want to = see the latest documents on the problem statement, requirements, survey, = and use cases, which you can find from = http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html. =20 -- Rich =20 P.S. We haven=A1=AFt posted the presentation slides yet for the IETF = Maastricht meeting. =20 From: decade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:decade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf = Of ?? Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:16 AM To: decade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [decade] draft agenda posted =20 hi,all =20 will anyone be nice to help me give me the strawman proposal draft link? = not the presentation slide? thanks in advance=A3=BA=A3=A9 2010/7/14 Woundy, Richard Folks, I changed the agenda from text to html to make it easier to use. http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html -- Rich -----Original Message----- From: Song Haibin [mailto:melodysong@huawei.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:48 AM To: decade@ietf.org Cc: Woundy, Richard Subject: draft agenda posted Hi all, We also posted the draft agenda to the website. You can find it here: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.txt BR, Haibin & Rich _______________________________________________ decade mailing list decade@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade --=20 Best wishes, Beijing University of Posts & Telecommunications (BUPT) Zhu Xiao ( =D6=EC=E4=EC ) E-mail: buptxiaozhu@gmail.com mobile:+86 134-8881-9004 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB245D.7056E543 Content-Type: text/html; charset="gb2312" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I would suggest reading the DECADE charter (http://datatracke= r.ietf.org/wg/decade/charter/) first, so you can understand what this working group is trying to = accomplish. In brief, the working group=A1=AFs primary tasks are to identify target = applications to use open protocols for in-network storage, to identify requirements for = application access to in-network storage, and to develop an architecture for = in-network storage that leverages existing IETF protocols (for example, HTTP, NFS, = or WebDAV) as much as possible.

 

Once you understand the purpose of this working group, = you may want to see the latest documents on the problem statement, requirements, = survey, and use cases, which you can find from http://www= .ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html.

 

-- Rich

 

P.S. We haven=A1=AFt posted the presentation slides yet = for the IETF Maastricht meeting.

 

From:= = decade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:decade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ??
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:16 AM
To: decade@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [decade] draft agenda posted

 

hi,all

 

will anyone be nice to help me give me the strawman = proposal draft link? not the presentation slide?

thanks in = advance=A3=BA=A3=A9

2010/7/14 Woundy, Richard <Richard_Woundy@cable.com= cast.com>

Folks,

I changed the agenda from text to html to make it easier to use.

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html

-- Rich




--
Best wishes,

Beijing University of Posts & Telecommunications (BUPT)
Zhu Xiao  = ( =D6=EC=E4=EC )
E-mail: buptxiaozhu@gmail.com
mobile:+86 134-8881-9004

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB245D.7056E543-- From buptxiaozhu@gmail.com Thu Jul 15 18:20:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7CDB3A68BF for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:20:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 4.728 X-Spam-Level: **** X-Spam-Status: No, score=4.728 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.776, BAYES_00=-2.599, CHARSET_FARAWAY_HEADER=3.2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, J_CHICKENPOX_23=0.6, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, MIME_CHARSET_FARAWAY=2.45] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uvFOo3u+l2H5 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:20:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD51A3A689C for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:19:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eyb7 with SMTP id 7so384382eyb.31 for ; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:20:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=PlJQRVsv/CH1KD4P/ViSR8IobypeG59kNj+gFdip2Pg=; b=ISeJbvSIkxMTdMgKOKZre9eu7b7MalyIxKMr7/XApAzTvrIz1CYx8RoM0cDBHgo6ZL NvQP9bwVYDOgXwYF7730fbF3ilTshhikLJDPl5cdziNA/GAz2RCFf88c5s+xZuLJWrJA COIBiJzo/ORTeskwRVnycT28znQUdH2wvoEHI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; b=DzfoEMbjT+tzHWmhExkYDBgB+/Nw8QHMnot+GQrtV7KWwrgAQGmqP0guMVhrIMxCos CY0KZFpci1it356gRPqIvrSKrVaj/5dntN0H1ZGL6ZXOe+0xI73m7rQOeQNh29CqpKQj i5pit3FaDvRZNP11KgpJurBZqq5xMglbYXU+0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.3.70 with SMTP id 6mr3675034ebm.8.1279243206678; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:20:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.101.11 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jul 2010 18:20:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <017601cb2342$16b622c0$44226840$@com> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 09:20:06 +0800 Message-ID: From: =?GB2312?B?1uzk7A==?= To: "Woundy, Richard" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174c178cea59ae048b770433 Cc: decade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [decade] draft agenda posted X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 01:20:05 -0000 --0015174c178cea59ae048b770433 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks sincerely, Richard:) actually, i had paid attention for DECADE for a long time. Because the strawman proposal said it was just one solution architecture for DECADE problem statement, which intrigue me. And when i want to know more, i did not find the draft in our WG. so i turn to ask for help in our email group. Thanks for your help all the same:) =D4=DA 2010=C4=EA7=D4=C216=C8=D5 =C9=CF=CE=E74:36=A3=ACWoundy, Richard =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA > I would suggest reading the DECADE charter ( > http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/decade/charter/) first, so you can > understand what this working group is trying to accomplish. In brief, the > working group=A1=AFs primary tasks are to identify target applications to= use > open protocols for in-network storage, to identify requirements for > application access to in-network storage, and to develop an architecture = for > in-network storage that leverages existing IETF protocols (for example, > HTTP, NFS, or WebDAV) as much as possible. > > > > Once you understand the purpose of this working group, you may want to se= e > the latest documents on the problem statement, requirements, survey, and = use > cases, which you can find from > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html. > > > > -- Rich > > > > P.S. We haven=A1=AFt posted the presentation slides yet for the IETF Maas= tricht > meeting. > > > > *From:* decade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:decade-bounces@ietf.org] *On > Behalf Of *?? > *Sent:* Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:16 AM > *To:* decade@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [decade] draft agenda posted > > > > hi,all > > > > will anyone be nice to help me give me the strawman proposal draft link? > not the presentation slide? > > thanks in advance=A3=BA=A3=A9 > > 2010/7/14 Woundy, Richard > > Folks, > > I changed the agenda from text to html to make it easier to use. > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html > > -- Rich > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Song Haibin [mailto:melodysong@huawei.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:48 AM > To: decade@ietf.org > Cc: Woundy, Richard > Subject: draft agenda posted > > Hi all, > > We also posted the draft agenda to the website. You can find it here: > > http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.txt > > BR, > Haibin & Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > decade mailing list > decade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade > > > > > -- > Best wishes, > > Beijing University of Posts & Telecommunications (BUPT) > Zhu Xiao ( =D6=EC=E4=EC ) > E-mail: buptxiaozhu@gmail.com > mobile:+86 134-8881-9004 > --=20 Best wishes, Beijing University of Posts & Telecommunications (BUPT) Zhu Xiao ( =D6=EC=E4=EC ) E-mail: buptxiaozhu@gmail.com mobile:+86 134-8881-9004 --0015174c178cea59ae048b770433 Content-Type: text/html; charset=GB2312 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable thanks sincerely, Richard:)

actually, i had paid attenti= on for DECADE for a long time. Because the strawman proposal said it was ju= st one solution architecture for DECADE problem statement, which = intrigue me. And when i want to know more, i did not find the draft in our = WG. so i turn to ask for help in our email group.  Thanks for your hel= p all the same:)

=D4=DA 2010=C4=EA7=D4=C216=C8=D5 =C9=CF=CE= =E74:36=A3=ACWoundy, Richard <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcast.com>= =D0=B4=B5=C0=A3=BA

I wou= ld suggest reading the DECADE charter (http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/dec= ade/charter/) first, so you can understand what this working group is trying to accomplis= h. In brief, the working group’s primary tasks are to identify target appli= cations to use open protocols for in-network storage, to identify requirements for app= lication access to in-network storage, and to develop an architecture for in-network storage that leverages existing IETF protocols (for example, HTTP, NFS, or = WebDAV) as much as possible.

 = ;

Once = you understand the purpose of this working group, you may want to see the latest documents on the problem statement, requirements, survey,= and use cases, which you can find from http://www.ietf.org/proceedings= /78/agenda/decade.html.

 = ;

-- Ri= ch

 = ;

P.S. = We haven’t posted the presentation slides yet for the IETF Maastricht meeting.

 = ;

From:= decade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:decade= -bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ??
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 1:16 AM
To: decade@ietf= .org


Subject: Re: [decade] draft agenda posted

 

hi,all

 

will anyone be nice to help me give me the strawman = proposal draft link? not the presentation slide?=

thanks in advance=A3=BA=A3=A9

2010/7/14 Woundy, Richard <Richard_Woundy@cable.comcas= t.com>

Folks,

I changed the agenda from text to html to make it easier to use.

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html

-- Rich


-----Original Message-----
From: Song Haibin [mailto:melodysong@huawei.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 6:48 AM
To: decade@ietf.org
Cc: Woundy, Richard
Subject: draft agenda posted

Hi all,

We also posted the draft agenda to the website. You can find it here:

http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.txt

BR,
Haibin & Rich



_______________________________________________
decade mailing list
decade@ietf.org = https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade




--
Best wishes,

Beijing University of Posts & Telecommunications (BUPT)
Zhu Xiao  ( =D6=EC=E4=EC ) E-mail: buptxiao= zhu@gmail.com
mobile:+86 134-8881-9004




--
Best wishes,

Bei= jing University of Posts & Telecommunications (BUPT)
Zhu Xiao  = ( =D6=EC=E4=EC )
E-mail: buptxi= aozhu@gmail.com
mobile:+86 134-8881-9004
--0015174c178cea59ae048b770433-- From richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com Tue Jul 20 08:59:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A0F23A68E7 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:59:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.358 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.358 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.755, BAYES_20=-0.74, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aFZ3bLBj-DUL for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 396223A6844 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 08:59:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.40]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.86807265; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:59:13 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.118) by pacdcexhub03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.694.0; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:59:13 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:59:11 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB2824.74855A67" Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 11:58:54 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DECADE agenda Thread-Index: AcsoJHQTtI/CgHnoSTC1SzHvvienkw== From: "Woundy, Richard" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 20 Jul 2010 15:59:11.0698 (UTC) FILETIME=[7E883320:01CB2824] Subject: [decade] DECADE agenda X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:59:05 -0000 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2824.74855A67 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, =20 Below is the proposed agenda for our WG meeting next Tuesday in Maastricht. It can also be found at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html. =20 -- Rich and Haibin =20 Decoupled Application Data Enroute WG IETF 78, Maastricht, Netherlands Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1300-1500 Maastricht Exhibition & Congress Centre (MECC), conference room 0.2 Berlin =20 WG info: current charter , status page =20 =20 Mailing list: decade@ietf.org (archives ) =20 Chairs: Haibin Song Richard Woundy =20 =20 1. Administrivia (5 min chairs) =20 2. Problem statement (15 min) draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 =20 =20 3. Requirements (30 min) draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 =20 =20 4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min) draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01 =20 5. Survey =20 a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min) draft-song-decade-survey-04 =20 =20 b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 min) draft-rahman-decade-survey-00 =20 =20 6. China Telecom trial (10 min) draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00 =20 =20 7. Conclusion and next steps (TBD) =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2824.74855A67 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

Below is the proposed agenda for our WG meeting = next Tuesday in Maastricht. It can also be found at http://www= .ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html.

 

-- Rich and Haibin

 

Decoupled Application Data Enroute = WG

IETF 78, Maastricht, Netherlands

Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1300-1500

Maastricht Exhibition & Congress Centre (MECC), conference room 0.2 Berlin

 

WG info: current = charter, status = page

 

Mailing list: decade@ietf.org= (archives)

 

Chairs: Haibin Song = <melodysong@huawei.com>

        Richard = Woundy <richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com>

 

 

1. Administrivia (5 min chairs)

 

2. Problem statement (15 min)

draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02

 

3. Requirements (30 min)

draft-gu-de= cade-reqs-05

 

4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 = min)

draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01

 

5. Survey

 

   a. A Survey of In-network Storage = Systems (25 min)

      draft-s= ong-decade-survey-04

 

   b. An Additional Survey of In-Network = Storage Systems (15 min)

      draft= -rahman-decade-survey-00

 

6. China Telecom trial (10 min)

dr= aft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00

 

7. Conclusion and next steps (TBD)

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2824.74855A67-- From richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com Sat Jul 24 12:05:30 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE013A6861 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:05:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.242, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZnuXFzMqVbA for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 272213A6835 for ; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 12:05:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.42]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.87307469; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:05:32 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.92) by PACDCEXHUB01.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.694.0; Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:05:32 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:05:32 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB2B63.0D60C348" Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 15:04:32 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DECADE agenda Thread-Index: AcsoJHQTtI/CgHnoSTC1SzHvvienkwDPZ8tQ References: From: "Woundy, Richard" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 24 Jul 2010 19:05:32.0476 (UTC) FILETIME=[307287C0:01CB2B63] Subject: Re: [decade] DECADE agenda X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 19:05:30 -0000 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2B63.0D60C348 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, =20 After a discussion with the ALTO chairs, we decided to remove 'China Telecom trial' from the DECADE WG agenda, as it was already on the ALTO WG agenda. =20 The China Telecom trial (draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00 ) is related to both ALTO and DECADE services, so folks on this mailing list may still be interested in the presentation.=20 =20 ALTO is meeting on Monday July 26 from 13:00-15:00, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/alto.html. =20 Here is the revised DECADE agenda, reflected in http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html: =20 1. Administrivia (5 min chairs) =20 2. Problem statement (15 min) draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 =20 =20 3. Requirements (30 min) draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 =20 =20 4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min) draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01 =20 5. Survey =20 a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min) draft-song-decade-survey-04 =20 =20 b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 min) draft-rahman-decade-survey-00 =20 =20 6. Conclusion and next steps (10 min) =20 -- Rich and Haibin =20 From: Woundy, Richard=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:59 AM To: decade@ietf.org Cc: Haibin Song; Woundy, Richard Subject: DECADE agenda =20 Folks, =20 Below is the proposed agenda for our WG meeting next Tuesday in Maastricht. It can also be found at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html. =20 -- Rich and Haibin =20 Decoupled Application Data Enroute WG IETF 78, Maastricht, Netherlands Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1300-1500 Maastricht Exhibition & Congress Centre (MECC), conference room 0.2 Berlin =20 WG info: current charter , status page =20 =20 Mailing list: decade@ietf.org (archives ) =20 Chairs: Haibin Song Richard Woundy =20 =20 1. Administrivia (5 min chairs) =20 2. Problem statement (15 min) draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 =20 =20 3. Requirements (30 min) draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 =20 =20 4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min) draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01 =20 5. Survey =20 a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min) draft-song-decade-survey-04 =20 =20 b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 min) draft-rahman-decade-survey-00 =20 =20 6. China Telecom trial (10 min) draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00 =20 =20 7. Conclusion and next steps (TBD) =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2B63.0D60C348 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

After a discussion = with the ALTO chairs, we decided to remove ‘China Telecom trial’ from the = DECADE WG agenda, as it was already on the ALTO WG agenda.

 

The China Telecom = trial (dr= aft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00) is related to both ALTO and DECADE services, = so folks on this mailing list may still be interested in the presentation. =

 

ALTO is meeting on = Monday July 26 from 13:00-15:00, http://www.i= etf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/alto.html.

 

Here is the revised = DECADE agenda, reflected in http://www= .ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html:

 

1. Administrivia (5 min chairs)

 

2. Problem statement (15 min)

draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02

 

3. Requirements (30 min)

draft-gu-de= cade-reqs-05

 

4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min)

draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01

 

5. Survey

 

   a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min)

      draft-s= ong-decade-survey-04

 

   b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 = min)

      draft= -rahman-decade-survey-00

 

6. Conclusion and next steps (10 min)

 

-- Rich and = Haibin

 

From:= Woundy, = Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:59 AM
To: decade@ietf.org
Cc: Haibin Song; Woundy, Richard
Subject: DECADE agenda

 

Folks,

 

Below is the proposed agenda for our WG meeting = next Tuesday in Maastricht. It can also be found at http://www= .ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html.

 

-- Rich and Haibin

 

Decoupled Application Data Enroute = WG

IETF 78, Maastricht, Netherlands

Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1300-1500

Maastricht Exhibition & Congress Centre (MECC), conference room 0.2 Berlin

 

WG info: current = charter, status = page

 

Mailing list: decade@ietf.org= (archives)

 

Chairs: Haibin Song = <melodysong@huawei.com>

        Richard = Woundy <richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com>

 

 

1. Administrivia (5 min chairs)

 

2. Problem statement (15 min)

draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02

 

3. Requirements (30 min)

draft-gu-de= cade-reqs-05

 

4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 = min)

draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01

 

5. Survey

 

   a. A Survey of In-network Storage = Systems (25 min)

      draft-s= ong-decade-survey-04

 

   b. An Additional Survey of In-Network = Storage Systems (15 min)

      draft= -rahman-decade-survey-00

 

6. China Telecom trial (10 min)

dr= aft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00

 

7. Conclusion and next steps (TBD)

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2B63.0D60C348-- From melodysong@huawei.com Sun Jul 25 03:13:31 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 420033A68DE for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:13:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.575 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.575 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=1.069, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UBznIpUMvCxb for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:13:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga03-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.66]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB55B3A68F0 for ; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 03:13:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga03-in [172.24.2.9]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L63003HFZ2MIB@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:13:34 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga03-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L6300J7RZ2MS5@szxga03-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:13:34 +0800 (CST) Received: from jys0449573 (dhcp-72e6.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.114.230]) by szxml01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L63001W1Z2HLL@szxml01-in.huawei.com>; Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:13:34 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 12:13:23 +0800 From: Haibin Song In-reply-to: To: decade@ietf.org Message-id: <001d01cb2baf$bbc23810$3346a830$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fAM+OwCiMDBfMgjIVF+Oiw)" Content-language: zh-cn Thread-index: AcsoJHQTtI/CgHnoSTC1SzHvvienkwDPZ8tQABNYldA= References: Subject: Re: [decade] DECADE agenda X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jul 2010 10:13:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Boundary_(ID_fAM+OwCiMDBfMgjIVF+Oiw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Dear presenters, please send your slides to chairs before the welcome reception this evening. We will upload them to the website. Thank you, Haibin Rich wrote: Folks, After a discussion with the ALTO chairs, we decided to remove 'China Telecom trial' from the DECADE WG agenda, as it was already on the ALTO WG agenda. The China Telecom trial (draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00 ) is related to both ALTO and DECADE services, so folks on this mailing list may still be interested in the presentation. ALTO is meeting on Monday July 26 from 13:00-15:00, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/alto.html. Here is the revised DECADE agenda, reflected in http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html: 1. Administrivia (5 min chairs) 2. Problem statement (15 min) draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 3. Requirements (30 min) draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min) draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01 5. Survey a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min) draft-song-decade-survey-04 b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 min) draft-rahman-decade-survey-00 6. Conclusion and next steps (10 min) -- Rich and Haibin From: Woundy, Richard Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:59 AM To: decade@ietf.org Cc: Haibin Song; Woundy, Richard Subject: DECADE agenda Folks, Below is the proposed agenda for our WG meeting next Tuesday in Maastricht. It can also be found at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html. -- Rich and Haibin Decoupled Application Data Enroute WG IETF 78, Maastricht, Netherlands Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1300-1500 Maastricht Exhibition & Congress Centre (MECC), conference room 0.2 Berlin WG info: current charter , status page Mailing list: decade@ietf.org (archives ) Chairs: Haibin Song Richard Woundy 1. Administrivia (5 min chairs) 2. Problem statement (15 min) draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 3. Requirements (30 min) draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min) draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01 5. Survey a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min) draft-song-decade-survey-04 b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 min) draft-rahman-decade-survey-00 6. China Telecom trial (10 min) draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00 7. Conclusion and next steps (TBD) --Boundary_(ID_fAM+OwCiMDBfMgjIVF+Oiw) Content-type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT

Dear presenters, please send your slides to chairs before the welcome reception this evening. We will upload them to the website.

 

Thank you,

 

Haibin

 

 

Rich wrote:

 

Folks,

 

After a discussion with the ALTO chairs, we decided to remove ‘China Telecom trial’ from the DECADE WG agenda, as it was already on the ALTO WG agenda.

 

The China Telecom trial (draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00) is related to both ALTO and DECADE services, so folks on this mailing list may still be interested in the presentation.

 

ALTO is meeting on Monday July 26 from 13:00-15:00, http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/alto.html.

 

Here is the revised DECADE agenda, reflected in http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html:

 

1. Administrivia (5 min chairs)

 

2. Problem statement (15 min)

draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02

 

3. Requirements (30 min)

draft-gu-decade-reqs-05

 

4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min)

draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01

 

5. Survey

 

   a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min)

      draft-song-decade-survey-04

 

   b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 min)

      draft-rahman-decade-survey-00

 

6. Conclusion and next steps (10 min)

 

-- Rich and Haibin

 

From: Woundy, Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 20, 2010 11:59 AM
To: decade@ietf.org
Cc: Haibin Song; Woundy, Richard
Subject: DECADE agenda

 

Folks,

 

Below is the proposed agenda for our WG meeting next Tuesday in Maastricht. It can also be found at http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/78/agenda/decade.html.

 

-- Rich and Haibin

 

Decoupled Application Data Enroute WG

IETF 78, Maastricht, Netherlands

Tuesday, July 27, 2010, 1300-1500

Maastricht Exhibition & Congress Centre (MECC), conference room 0.2 Berlin

 

WG info: current charter, status page

 

Mailing list: decade@ietf.org (archives)

 

Chairs: Haibin Song <melodysong@huawei.com>

        Richard Woundy <richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com>

 

 

1. Administrivia (5 min chairs)

 

2. Problem statement (15 min)

draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02

 

3. Requirements (30 min)

draft-gu-decade-reqs-05

 

4. Additional use cases and requirements (20 min)

draft-ohlman-decade-add-use-cases-reqs-01

 

5. Survey

 

   a. A Survey of In-network Storage Systems (25 min)

      draft-song-decade-survey-04

 

   b. An Additional Survey of In-Network Storage Systems (15 min)

      draft-rahman-decade-survey-00

 

6. China Telecom trial (10 min)

draft-lee-alto-chinatelecom-trial-00

 

7. Conclusion and next steps (TBD)

 

--Boundary_(ID_fAM+OwCiMDBfMgjIVF+Oiw)-- From richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com Mon Jul 26 05:14:32 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1753A691D for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:14:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.255 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.255 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.207, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9FzH9rL0jRqz for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:14:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07533A69D2 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 05:14:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.42]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.87375046; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:13:19 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.92) by PACDCEXHUB01.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.694.0; Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:13:19 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:13:19 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB2CBB.EF1E288F" Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 08:13:18 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: DECADE agenda Thread-Index: AcsoJHQTtI/CgHnoSTC1SzHvvienkwDPZ8tQAFZXzrA= References: From: "Woundy, Richard" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Jul 2010 12:13:19.0511 (UTC) FILETIME=[EF471270:01CB2CBB] Subject: Re: [decade] DECADE agenda X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2010 12:14:32 -0000 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2CBB.EF1E288F Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, =20 We have uploaded the presentation slides for tomorrow's meeting; see . =20 There may be some late updates to some slide decks tonight, but my expectation is that the slides will be final as of Tuesday morning (CET). =20 -- Rich and Haibin ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2CBB.EF1E288F Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

We have uploaded the presentation slides for tomorrow’s meeting; see <http= ://tools.ietf.org/wg/decade/agenda?item=3Dagenda78.html>.

 

There may be some = late updates to some slide decks tonight, but my expectation is that the slides will = be final as of Tuesday morning (CET).

 

-- Rich and = Haibin

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2CBB.EF1E288F-- From richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com Tue Jul 27 08:16:07 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 671B73A6981 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:16:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.301 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.301 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.161, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bdin0iiCrCWJ for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:16:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E82E3A6BB5 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:16:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.40]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.87535389; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:16:16 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.118) by pacdcexhub03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.40) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.702.0; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:16:16 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP04.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:16:13 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB2D9E.A562332E" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 11:16:10 -0400 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents Thread-Index: AcstnqTDuCBDhLkjQ7q2NrGgW/oiqg== From: "Woundy, Richard" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2010 15:16:13.0143 (UTC) FILETIME=[A67C2E70:01CB2D9E] Subject: [decade] Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:16:07 -0000 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2D9E.A562332E Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, =20 As confirmation of the "hums" we took in the WG meeting today, please post on the list if there is any objection to moving the following drafts to DECADE WG drafts: =20 draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 =20 draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 =20 draft-song-decade-survey-04 =20 =20 If there are no objections by Tuesday, August 3 2010, the drafts above will be accepted as WG documents fulfilling the "problem statement", "requirements", and "survey" deliverables, respectively. =20 -- Rich and Haibin ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2D9E.A562332E Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

As confirmation of the “hums” we took = in the WG meeting today, please post on the list if there is any objection to = moving the following drafts to DECADE WG drafts:

 

draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02

draft-gu-de= cade-reqs-05

draft-s= ong-decade-survey-04

 

If there are no objections by Tuesday, August 3 = 2010, the drafts above will be accepted as WG documents fulfilling the = "problem statement", "requirements", and “survey” deliverables, respectively.

 

-- Rich and Haibin

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2D9E.A562332E-- From Fabio.Picconi@technicolor.com Tue Jul 27 08:39:58 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A2EB3A6ABD for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:39:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ihpFtJpN5UH8 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:39:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from na3sys009aog106.obsmtp.com (na3sys009aog106.obsmtp.com [74.125.149.77]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDA13A69BC for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:39:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from source ([141.11.137.61]) (using TLSv1) by na3sys009aob106.postini.com ([74.125.148.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKTE794AEZOIKH1TQeC4Acu5ktwzzYnaW8@postini.com; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 08:40:18 PDT Received: from smtpio.eu.thmulti.com (unknown [10.14.0.11]) by mail3.thomson.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 498702EBC for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:40:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from CHSKSMAILBH02.eu.thmulti.com (unknown [10.11.225.12]) by smtpio.eu.thmulti.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E6221344 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:44:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from MOPESMAILHC01.eu.thmulti.com ([141.11.100.25]) by CHSKSMAILBH02.eu.thmulti.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Tue, 27 Jul 2010 16:40:14 +0100 Received: from MOPESMBX01.eu.thmulti.com ([141.11.100.105]) by MOPESMAILHC01.eu.thmulti.com ([141.11.100.25]) with mapi; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:40:14 +0200 From: Picconi Fabio To: "decade@ietf.org" Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:39:21 +0200 Thread-Topic: survey Thread-Index: AcstoeHYicHdZjTXTJKyxOYhL9g+kQ== Message-ID: <320C4182454E96478DC039F2C4819872022B940981@MOPESMBX01.eu.thmulti.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: fr-FR, en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_320C4182454E96478DC039F2C4819872022B940981MOPESMBX01eut_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 27 Jul 2010 15:40:14.0482 (UTC) FILETIME=[01970F20:01CB2DA2] Subject: [decade] survey X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:39:58 -0000 --_000_320C4182454E96478DC039F2C4819872022B940981MOPESMBX01eut_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, One comment about the surveys. Since webmail was mentioned, I wonder whethe= r it's worth mentioning Usenet, which uses peer-to-peer exchanges between s= ervers. My two cents, Fabio --_000_320C4182454E96478DC039F2C4819872022B940981MOPESMBX01eut_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

One comment about the surveys. Since webmail was menti= oned, I wonder whether it’s worth mentioning Usenet, which uses peer-to-peer = exchanges between servers.

 

My two cents,

 

Fabio

--_000_320C4182454E96478DC039F2C4819872022B940981MOPESMBX01eut_-- From lars.eggert@nokia.com Wed Jul 28 04:42:05 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0E4F3A6A75 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.503 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.096, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IA72IaMPg-KJ for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mgw-mx06.nokia.com (smtp.nokia.com [192.100.122.233]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF45B3A67E5 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 04:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com (vaebh106.europe.nokia.com [10.160.244.32]) by mgw-mx06.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o6SBgMpR009380 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:42:25 +0300 Received: from esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com ([172.21.138.183]) by vaebh106.NOE.Nokia.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:42:24 +0300 Received: from mgw-sa01.ext.nokia.com ([147.243.1.47]) by esebh102.NOE.Nokia.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:42:24 +0300 Received: from mail.fit.nokia.com (esdhcp030222.research.nokia.com [172.21.30.222]) by mgw-sa01.ext.nokia.com (Switch-3.3.3/Switch-3.3.3) with ESMTP id o6SBgOWj015074 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:42:24 +0300 From: Lars Eggert X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.96.1 at fit.nokia.com Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=Apple-Mail-89--785062305; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 13:42:11 +0200 Message-Id: <3A0A4326-13DB-407B-A3E9-55D6E7E6ECAD@nokia.com> To: decade@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.5 (mail.fit.nokia.com); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:42:17 +0300 (EEST) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2010 11:42:24.0723 (UTC) FILETIME=[F2906230:01CB2E49] X-Nokia-AV: Clean Subject: [decade] NFSv4 X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:42:06 -0000 --Apple-Mail-89--785062305 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, sitting in the NFSv4 WG meeting, it strikes me as odd that I don't see = anyone that I'd obviously count as part of the DECADE crowd here. 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([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gupwN5R75JUg for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767CB3A6A0B for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.42]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.87668464; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:14:05 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.92) by PACDCEXHUB01.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.42) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.702.0; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:14:05 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:14:02 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:13:21 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3A0A4326-13DB-407B-A3E9-55D6E7E6ECAD@nokia.com> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [decade] NFSv4 Thread-Index: AcsuSffAW8BvyeUoQwiWLGVov0tx0wAE03Bg References: <3A0A4326-13DB-407B-A3E9-55D6E7E6ECAD@nokia.com> From: "Woundy, Richard" To: Lars Eggert X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2010 14:14:02.0941 (UTC) FILETIME=[218646D0:01CB2E5F] Cc: decade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [decade] NFSv4 X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:13:48 -0000 Thankfully four of us *did* show up for the NFSv4 WG meeting. I believe an expert was identified to help us with requirements and applicability. Lars, who was it again? :) -- Rich -----Original Message----- From: decade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:decade-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lars Eggert Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 1:42 PM To: decade@ietf.org Subject: [decade] NFSv4 Hi, sitting in the NFSv4 WG meeting, it strikes me as odd that I don't see anyone that I'd obviously count as part of the DECADE crowd here. Given that this is one of the likely backends or even protocols that DECADE may be using. Lars From barryleiba.mailing.lists@gmail.com Wed Jul 28 07:29:55 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF58F3A690F for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:29:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.832 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.832 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.233, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 60fTVySEpnKU for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f44.google.com (mail-pw0-f44.google.com [209.85.160.44]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 270BB3A6902 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:29:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pwj1 with SMTP id 1so1125243pwj.31 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:30:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:reply-to :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=a8v+Vuf944KVgrvfHam/85bDW/aDk8rUG6arO51t1NU=; b=A/n70L6PG79EuuISDePgtKIwOSBkEY+zrcrBCLNZCFcX9DIAEyWlsMC2k+ngxm5Cth lBVl4mU4Ycp6NfXVnepi2fPWDOTB3zKSZsef7KK3DrSw6A3wH5ORRzTxXMBNAO5pXF5N 863fQAbxoyULD+9QP6qEr4kPlLtI9C4xKI24Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=vQfciwNCnYA5d+9WrQC7wKbIML5EYXc7hpk0XCateEtY4p4zuXo5NfH+cEq1m5hK0I ZgEn4iBk477sLllUTWf+4UYZvHIEIU0DO3f0q2T+H/dlEhZ4VFSZDd+USdo1tqvgGdaM ir1c+gXlA1qpOODNBo4UVWImLBjPuAj/0jXcU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.114.108.14 with SMTP id g14mr896262wac.185.1280327417104; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.1.136 with HTTP; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:30:16 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:30:16 -0400 Message-ID: From: Barry Leiba To: "Woundy, Richard" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: decade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [decade] Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list Reply-To: barryleiba@computer.org List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:29:56 -0000 > As confirmation of the =93hums=94 we took in the WG meeting today, please= post > on the list if there is any objection to moving the following drafts to > DECADE WG drafts: > > draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 > draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 > draft-song-decade-survey-04 > > If there are no objections by Tuesday, August 3 2010, the drafts above wi= ll > be accepted as WG documents fulfilling the "problem statement", > "requirements", and =93survey=94 deliverables, respectively. On the theory that a few positive responses are good, even with no objections (and because I couldn't be in the decade meeting because it conflicted with hasmat): These docs are all good starting points for the WG versions, and we should adopt them. Barry Leiba From richard_woundy@cable.comcast.com Wed Jul 28 07:55:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F5B23A687F for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:55:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -8.33 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.33 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.132, BAYES_00=-2.599, HELO_EQ_MODEMCABLE=0.768, HOST_EQ_MODEMCABLE=1.368, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-8] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PALfZhphSgL5 for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:55:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com (PacdcIMO01.cable.comcast.com [24.40.8.145]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4A63A681F for ; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 07:55:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ([24.40.55.41]) by pacdcimo01.cable.comcast.com with ESMTP with TLS id 5503620.87675785; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:55:38 -0400 Received: from PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com (24.40.15.92) by PACDCEXHUB02.cable.comcast.com (24.40.55.41) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.0.702.0; Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:55:38 -0400 Received: from pacdcexcmb05.cable.comcast.com ([24.40.15.116]) by PACDCEXCSMTP03.cable.comcast.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:55:37 -0400 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CB2E64.D34F6268" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 10:54:47 -0400 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents Thread-Index: AcstnqTDuCBDhLkjQ7q2NrGgW/oiqgAxD2Sw References: From: "Woundy, Richard" To: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Jul 2010 14:55:37.0896 (UTC) FILETIME=[F0A23280:01CB2E64] Subject: Re: [decade] Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 14:55:27 -0000 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2E64.D34F6268 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks, =20 For the sake of people that did not attend the IETF session (or couldn't hear the audio etc), I wanted to communicate the following caveats / pre-requisites for two of the drafts: =20 draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 : The WG direction is to identify the "must have" versus "nice to have" requirements, and to state clearly which requirements apply to applications / clients versus which apply to the storage systems. =20 draft-song-decade-survey-04 : The WG direction is to incorporate the access control authorization and photo sharing example from http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-rahman-decade-survey-00.txt. =20 -- Rich and Haibin, DECADE co-chairs =20 From: Woundy, Richard=20 Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:16 PM To: 'decade@ietf.org' Cc: Haibin Song; Woundy, Richard Subject: Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents =20 Folks, =20 As confirmation of the "hums" we took in the WG meeting today, please post on the list if there is any objection to moving the following drafts to DECADE WG drafts: =20 draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 =20 draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 =20 draft-song-decade-survey-04 =20 =20 If there are no objections by Tuesday, August 3 2010, the drafts above will be accepted as WG documents fulfilling the "problem statement", "requirements", and "survey" deliverables, respectively. =20 -- Rich and Haibin ------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2E64.D34F6268 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Folks,

 

For the sake of = people that did not attend the IETF session (or couldn’t hear the audio etc), I = wanted to communicate the following caveats / pre-requisites for two of the = drafts:

 

draft-gu-de= cade-reqs-05: The WG direction is to identify the “must have” versus = “nice to have” requirements, and to state clearly which requirements = apply to applications / clients versus which apply to the storage = systems.

 

draft-s= ong-decade-survey-04: The WG direction is to incorporate the access control authorization and = photo sharing example from http:= //tools.ietf.org/id/draft-rahman-decade-survey-00.txt.

 

-- Rich and Haibin, = DECADE co-chairs

 

From:= Woundy, = Richard
Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 5:16 PM
To: 'decade@ietf.org'
Cc: Haibin Song; Woundy, Richard
Subject: Adopting drafts as DECADE WG = documents

 

Folks,

 

As confirmation of the “hums” we took = in the WG meeting today, please post on the list if there is any objection to = moving the following drafts to DECADE WG drafts:

 

draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02

draft-gu-de= cade-reqs-05

draft-s= ong-decade-survey-04

 

If there are no objections by Tuesday, August 3 = 2010, the drafts above will be accepted as WG documents fulfilling the = "problem statement", "requirements", and “survey” deliverables, respectively.

 

-- Rich and Haibin

------_=_NextPart_001_01CB2E64.D34F6268-- From Even.roni@huawei.com Thu Jul 29 00:23:09 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FB8A3A695B for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:23:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.233 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.262, BAYES_00=-2.599, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZaCdgCSuw1qi for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga05-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.67]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5300F3A67F9 for ; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 00:23:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga05-in [172.24.2.49]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L6B00BP45UUY6@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:23:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga05-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L6B009IF5UTC7@szxga05-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:23:18 +0800 (CST) Received: from windows8d787f9 (dhcp-7596.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.117.150]) by szxml01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L6B00HNB5UN1L@szxml01-in.huawei.com>; Thu, 29 Jul 2010 15:23:17 +0800 (CST) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 10:22:06 +0300 From: Roni Even In-reply-to: To: "'Woundy, Richard'" Message-id: <000001cb2eee$c4700180$4d500480$%roni@huawei.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-language: en-us Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Thread-index: AcsuYXkuq6mRbWfoQKCQHV6BvgxxuQAAgkyg References: Cc: decade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [decade] Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 07:23:09 -0000 +1 Roni Even > -----Original Message----- > From: decade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:decade-bounces@ietf.org] On > Behalf Of Barry Leiba > Sent: Wednesday, July 28, 2010 5:30 PM > To: Woundy, Richard > Cc: decade@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [decade] Adopting drafts as DECADE WG documents > > > As confirmation of the "hums" we took in the WG meeting today, please > post > > on the list if there is any objection to moving the following drafts > to > > DECADE WG drafts: > > > > draft-song-decade-problem-statement-02 > > draft-gu-decade-reqs-05 > > draft-song-decade-survey-04 > > > > If there are no objections by Tuesday, August 3 2010, the drafts > above will > > be accepted as WG documents fulfilling the "problem statement", > > "requirements", and "survey" deliverables, respectively. > > On the theory that a few positive responses are good, even with no > objections (and because I couldn't be in the decade meeting because it > conflicted with hasmat): > These docs are all good starting points for the WG versions, and we > should adopt them. > > Barry Leiba > _______________________________________________ > decade mailing list > decade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade From richard.alimi@gmail.com Fri Jul 30 00:23:27 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B299028C213 for ; 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charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: "decade@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [decade] survey X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 07:23:27 -0000 Hi Fabio, Thank you very much for the suggestion. We will add Usenet to the next ver= sion. Rich On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Picconi Fabio wrote: > Hi, > > > > One comment about the surveys. Since webmail was mentioned, I wonder whet= her > it=92s worth mentioning Usenet, which uses peer-to-peer exchanges between > servers. > > > > My two cents, > > > > Fabio > > _______________________________________________ > decade mailing list > decade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade > > From melodysong@huawei.com Fri Jul 30 04:54:15 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: decade@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C7953A68E7 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:54:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.672 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.672 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-0.477, BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.044, FH_RELAY_NODNS=1.451, HELO_MISMATCH_COM=0.553, RDNS_NONE=0.1] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oeob2cjGN3Ch for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from szxga01-in.huawei.com (unknown [119.145.14.64]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79F043A6839 for ; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 04:54:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (szxga01-in [172.24.2.3]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L6D005W5D2S5Y@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:54:28 +0800 (CST) Received: from huawei.com ([172.24.2.119]) by szxga01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTP id <0L6D004WQD2SXP@szxga01-in.huawei.com> for decade@ietf.org; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:54:28 +0800 (CST) Received: from jys0449573 (dhcp-7157.meeting.ietf.org [130.129.113.87]) by szxml01-in.huawei.com (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.2 HotFix 2.14 (built Aug 8 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0L6D000IID2NFG@szxml01-in.huawei.com>; Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:54:28 +0800 (CST) Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:54:16 +0800 From: Haibin Song In-reply-to: To: 'Richard Alimi' , 'Picconi Fabio' Message-id: <00a801cb2fab$a7f1dcf0$f7d596d0$@com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-language: zh-cn Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Thread-index: AcsvuDYzbe/aHQ5jQG6zaF4txCafRAADKKvg References: <320C4182454E96478DC039F2C4819872022B940981@MOPESMBX01.eu.thmulti.com> Cc: decade@ietf.org Subject: Re: [decade] survey X-BeenThere: decade@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: "To start the discussion on DECoupled Application Data Enroute, to discuss the in-network data storage for p2p applications and its access protocol" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:54:15 -0000 +1, Haibin > -----Original Message----- > From: decade-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:decade-bounces@ietf.org] On = Behalf > Of Richard Alimi > Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 3:24 PM > To: Picconi Fabio > Cc: decade@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [decade] survey >=20 > Hi Fabio, >=20 > Thank you very much for the suggestion. We will add Usenet to the = next > version. >=20 > Rich >=20 > On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 11:39 AM, Picconi Fabio > wrote: > > Hi, > > > > > > > > One comment about the surveys. Since webmail was mentioned, I wonder > whether > > it=E2=80=99s worth mentioning Usenet, which uses peer-to-peer = exchanges between > > servers. > > > > > > > > My two cents, > > > > > > > > Fabio > > > > _______________________________________________ > > decade mailing list > > decade@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade > > > > > _______________________________________________ > decade mailing list > decade@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/decade