From nobody Mon Oct 6 14:30:06 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2CC81A8A3A for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:30:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fXgeRkzdxk2s for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:30:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com [216.82.251.3]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D13C1A8A04 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:30:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.82.250.51:41965] by server-3.bemta-12.messagelabs.com id 55/45-11082-9D903345; Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:30:01 +0000 X-Env-Sender: craig.gunther@harman.com X-Msg-Ref: server-3.tower-108.messagelabs.com!1412631000!14060176!1 X-Originating-IP: [75.102.19.198] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.12.2; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 5600 invoked from network); 6 Oct 2014 21:30:00 -0000 Received: from unknown.ord.scnet.net (HELO HICGWSEXHC03.ad.harman.com) (75.102.19.198) by server-3.tower-108.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 6 Oct 2014 21:30:00 -0000 Received: from HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com ([169.254.1.176]) by HICGWSEXHC03.ad.harman.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 16:29:53 -0500 From: "Gunther, Craig" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Any news about November BOF? Thread-Index: Ac/hrFm/1tRhMRAjSLSym9d7Pvov9w== Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:28:33 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:28:00 +0000 Message-ID: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.34.5.24] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8HICGWSEXMB01adh_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/wYYbbZrXknXjgohABPNF1JmHxS4 Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:30:04 -0000 --_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8HICGWSEXMB01adh_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Having never participated in the IETF I'm unsure what happens next. I know= we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the Important Date= s page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date for ADs to approve BO= Fs. Did we get approved? - Craig --_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8HICGWSEXMB01adh_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Having never participated in the IETF I’m unsu= re what happens next. I know we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep = 26. Looking at the Important Dates page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was= the cut-off date for ADs to approve BOFs.

Did we get approved?

- Craig

--_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8HICGWSEXMB01adh_-- From nobody Mon Oct 6 14:41:29 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C73641A8AA2 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:41:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 66R-WgdN7aoC for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3D471A8A8D for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:41:24 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,665,1406617200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="47786065" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 06 Oct 2014 15:56:18 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.12) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:41:30 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 14:41:30 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Any news about November BOF? Thread-Index: Ac/hrFm/1tRhMRAjSLSym9d7Pvov9wAARb4Q Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 21:41:30 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> In-Reply-To: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183SJEXCHMB09corpadb_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/qKiYFbhTvUc3EM5wq1QJHQahR2o Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 21:41:27 -0000 --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes.. but the proposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. S= o we will have the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (t= hat would be the IETF 92 then). - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Having never participated in the IETF I'm unsure what happens next. I know= we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the Important Date= s page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date for ADs to approve BO= Fs. Did we get approved? - Craig --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes.. but the p= roposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. So we will h= ave the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (that would b= e the IETF 92 then).

- Jouni

From: detnet [= mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM
To: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF?

Did we get approved?

- Craig

--_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183SJEXCHMB09corpadb_-- From nobody Mon Oct 6 23:33:36 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 139691A1B42 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:33:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.286 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.286 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Qtw4KKvX_JfL for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:33:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-7.cisco.com (alln-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.142.94]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A16001A1B39 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:33:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=11202; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1412663608; x=1413873208; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=LRBa7QHnJaQhxbfH/BDofSjtvq5h/6Vmxqacw35dCyw=; b=nI6pufaem2JmxorWOA9O82uOjuqOR9nbDH9uthhx/Sz+6f/FnBGlHtdm 8KKqcL5XD6FVN2f99DJYuiBM255bSmUl84YzDeUGeZeSEsGxUnMNhPzTc 44Y4ICZHj0Aj1O3/h6NGxccJ3zC9QSoqkKhL5Lt1OkTctj1VofgD0p81o Q=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoFADSIM1StJV2S/2dsb2JhbABfgkhGU1gE1CQCgQoWAXuEAwEBAQQtXgEIEQQBAQsdORQJCQEEARIIEogkwTgBF5AUN4MugR4Fj1qCGox3g0KREYNjbIFIgQIBAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,668,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="84628809" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2014 06:33:27 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com [173.36.12.80]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s976XRFx018561 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:33:27 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.211]) by xhc-aln-x06.cisco.com ([173.36.12.80]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 01:33:27 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Jouni Korhonen , "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Any news about November BOF? Thread-Index: Ac/h+H7mdbj8O2beTjqQeJ80BtGArA== Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:33:26 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:33:00 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.194.219] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B20xmbrcdx01ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/y2uhXCopZsbLrrYQR_nVcTASsV8 Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:33:34 -0000 --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B20xmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Which is quite fair, Jouni. We will have the Honolulu meeting to clarify what the work items should be,= what needs to be done at the IETF and how the interwork will happen with I= EEE. There was a clear risk that going too quickly we might have failed to demon= strate readiness and show a clean bill of feasible deliverables. Another aspect is that the next meeting will be in Dallas. This is certainl= y an opportunity to attract more people from the factory automation and the= automotive industries than we might have had in Hawaii. The list of to-dos has not changed; we need a problem statement - that one = we have already started - and a number of requirement drafts in the field = of transportation (from cars and drones to Orion!), Industrial discrete man= ufacturing (control loops and motion control), public infrastructures and u= tilities - that one has started too -, and multimedia games and A/V (from h= ome to mastering studios). At the moment, DetNet is actively looking for authors and editors in the fi= elds above. The idea is to have a draft by Honolulu (need to publish by the= end of October) and to present in Dallas where we will aggregate the requi= rements Does that make sense? Authors: we have till 2014-10-27 (Monday) by UTC 23:59 for any Internet Dra= ft submission :( I have built skeleton xml files to help you start with. Please raise hands! Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen Sent: lundi 6 octobre 2014 23:42 To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Yes.. but the proposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. S= o we will have the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (t= hat would be the IETF 92 then). - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Having never participated in the IETF I'm unsure what happens next. I know= we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the Important Date= s page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date for ADs to approve BO= Fs. Did we get approved? - Craig --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B20xmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Which is quite fair, J= ouni.

We will have the Honol= ulu meeting to clarify what the work items should be, what needs to be done= at the IETF and how the interwork will happen with IEEE.=

There was a clear risk= that going too quickly we might have failed to demonstrate readiness and s= how a clean bill of feasible deliverables.

Another aspect is that= the next meeting will be in Dallas. This is certainly an opportunity to at= tract more people from the factory automation and the automotive industries= than we might have had in Hawaii.

The list of to-dos has= not changed; we need a problem statement - that one we have already starte= d - and a number of requirement drafts in the field of transportation= (from cars and drones to Orion!), Industrial discrete manufacturing (control loops and motion control), public infrastr= uctures and utilities - that one has started too -, and multimedia games an= d A/V (from home to mastering studios).

At the moment, DetNet = is actively looking for authors and editors in the fields above. The idea i= s to have a draft by Honolulu (need to publish by the end of October) and t= o present in Dallas where we will aggregate the requirements

Does that make sense? =

Authors: we have till = 2014-10-27 (Monday) by UTC 23:59 for any Internet Draft submission L

I have built skeleton = xml files to help you start with.

Please raise hands!

Pascal

From: detnet [= mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: lundi 6 octobre 2014 23:42
To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF?=

Yes.. but the p= roposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. So we will h= ave the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (that would b= e the IETF 92 then).

- Jouni

Did we get approved?

- Craig

--_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B20xmbrcdx01ciscoc_-- From nobody Mon Oct 6 23:44:50 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59D751A1B39 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:44:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qgksXWmfSnHz for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.63]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C48B11A1B37 for ; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:44:45 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,668,1406617200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="47580778" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2014 00:05:05 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.12) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:44:47 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Mon, 6 Oct 2014 23:44:46 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Any news about November BOF? Thread-Index: Ac/h+H7m1tRhMRAjSLSym9d7Pvov9wAAXY9Q Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:44:45 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FD@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FDSJEXCHMB09corpadb_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/tNd9nt1sk_wNLL1gAK2OanWUlHA Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 06:44:48 -0000 --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FDSJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Pascal, It indeed is. No doubt about that. Just wanted to stress that since the IET= F BoF WiKi still mentions WG-forming BoF. - Jouni From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:33 AM To: Jouni Korhonen; Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF? Which is quite fair, Jouni. We will have the Honolulu meeting to clarify what the work items should be,= what needs to be done at the IETF and how the interwork will happen with I= EEE. There was a clear risk that going too quickly we might have failed to demon= strate readiness and show a clean bill of feasible deliverables. Another aspect is that the next meeting will be in Dallas. This is certainl= y an opportunity to attract more people from the factory automation and the= automotive industries than we might have had in Hawaii. The list of to-dos has not changed; we need a problem statement - that one = we have already started - and a number of requirement drafts in the field = of transportation (from cars and drones to Orion!), Industrial discrete man= ufacturing (control loops and motion control), public infrastructures and u= tilities - that one has started too -, and multimedia games and A/V (from h= ome to mastering studios). At the moment, DetNet is actively looking for authors and editors in the fi= elds above. The idea is to have a draft by Honolulu (need to publish by the= end of October) and to present in Dallas where we will aggregate the requi= rements Does that make sense? Authors: we have till 2014-10-27 (Monday) by UTC 23:59 for any Internet Dra= ft submission :( I have built skeleton xml files to help you start with. Please raise hands! Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen Sent: lundi 6 octobre 2014 23:42 To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Yes.. but the proposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. S= o we will have the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (t= hat would be the IETF 92 then). - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Having never participated in the IETF I'm unsure what happens next. I know= we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the Important Date= s page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date for ADs to approve BO= Fs. Did we get approved? - Craig --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FDSJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Pascal,

It indeed is. No doubt= about that. Just wanted to stress that since the IETF BoF WiKi still menti= ons WG-forming BoF.

- Jouni

From: Pascal T= hubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:33 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen; Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF?

Which is quite fair, J= ouni.

We will have the Honol= ulu meeting to clarify what the work items should be, what needs to be done= at the IETF and how the interwork will happen with IEEE.=

There was a clear risk= that going too quickly we might have failed to demonstrate readiness and s= how a clean bill of feasible deliverables.

Does that make sense? =

Authors: we have till = 2014-10-27 (Monday) by UTC 23:59 for any Internet Draft submission L

I have built skeleton = xml files to help you start with.

Please raise hands!

Pascal

Yes.. but the p= roposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. So we will h= ave the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (that would b= e the IETF 92 then).

- Jouni

Did we get approved?

- Craig

--_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FDSJEXCHMB09corpadb_-- From nobody Tue Oct 7 00:04:53 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2888D1A913A for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 00:04:51 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.286 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.286 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MNpGsgsbImQs for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 00:04:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.86.79]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2AF491A913F for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 00:04:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=15526; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1412665489; x=1413875089; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=AXqa+TOhN8RpXznj2JqjBzRixb+5QP8pFSSdUChm9xY=; b=BcoBLUbmVx9WLcznIV9M8Ts1SIp5Mo/Qmky9XKc5nsVCoYWYuxgPyTkD 82xavzL9bsuYUFlHqYrJJl5Tmwbk/UvInkoDaD2z8Ud6QQMDJHwhTkFcs s1N9kmmHgkFKwjPXdBzMViP1jfWAXEGrD08uQjUs2MbfzsZP/lrT8xD2E c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AhoFADiQM1StJV2b/2dsb2JhbABfgkhGU1gE1CoCgQsWAXuEAwEBAQQtXAIBCBEEAQELHQcyFAkIAQEEARIIEogkwTwBF5AUNwGDLYEeBY9aghqMd4NCkRGDY2yBSIECAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.04,668,1406592000"; d="scan'208,217";a="361203805" Received: from rcdn-core-4.cisco.com ([173.37.93.155]) by rcdn-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2014 07:04:24 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com [173.36.12.81]) by rcdn-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id s9774N8e011213 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:04:23 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.211]) by xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com ([173.36.12.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 02:04:23 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Jouni Korhonen , "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "Erik Nordmark (nordmark@sonic.net)" Thread-Topic: Any news about November BOF? Thread-Index: Ac/h+H7mdbj8O2beTjqQeJ80BtGArAAK5geAAAn6i+A= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:04:22 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 07:04:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FD@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FD@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.194.219] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B9Cxmbrcdx01ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/N3Vp0mGwJZduTQLXu00OG-JPQCY Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 07:04:51 -0000 --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B9Cxmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Let me fix that, Jouni. The IAB/IESG also recommended that Erik chairs the non-WG-forming BoF and t= hat I stay in the arena to help defend the case. I'm unsure whether Erik agreed, but I'll provisionally make the change as w= ell. Erik, can you please chair the DetNet BoF in Honolulu? Pascal From: Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.korhonen@broadcom.com] Sent: mardi 7 octobre 2014 08:45 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF? Pascal, It indeed is. No doubt about that. Just wanted to stress that since the IET= F BoF WiKi still mentions WG-forming BoF. - Jouni From: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:33 AM To: Jouni Korhonen; Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF? Which is quite fair, Jouni. We will have the Honolulu meeting to clarify what the work items should be,= what needs to be done at the IETF and how the interwork will happen with I= EEE. There was a clear risk that going too quickly we might have failed to demon= strate readiness and show a clean bill of feasible deliverables. Another aspect is that the next meeting will be in Dallas. This is certainl= y an opportunity to attract more people from the factory automation and the= automotive industries than we might have had in Hawaii. The list of to-dos has not changed; we need a problem statement - that one = we have already started - and a number of requirement drafts in the field = of transportation (from cars and drones to Orion!), Industrial discrete man= ufacturing (control loops and motion control), public infrastructures and u= tilities - that one has started too -, and multimedia games and A/V (from h= ome to mastering studios). At the moment, DetNet is actively looking for authors and editors in the fi= elds above. The idea is to have a draft by Honolulu (need to publish by the= end of October) and to present in Dallas where we will aggregate the requi= rements Does that make sense? Authors: we have till 2014-10-27 (Monday) by UTC 23:59 for any Internet Dra= ft submission :( I have built skeleton xml files to help you start with. Please raise hands! Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen Sent: lundi 6 octobre 2014 23:42 To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Yes.. but the proposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. S= o we will have the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (t= hat would be the IETF 92 then). - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Having never participated in the IETF I'm unsure what happens next. I know= we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the Important Date= s page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date for ADs to approve BO= Fs. Did we get approved? - Craig --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B9Cxmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Let me fix that, Jouni= .

The IAB/IESG also reco= mmended that Erik chairs the non-WG-forming BoF and that I stay in the aren= a to help defend the case.

I’m unsure wheth= er Erik agreed, but I’ll provisionally make the change as well.

Erik, can you please c= hair the DetNet BoF in Honolulu?

Pascal

From: Jouni Ko= rhonen [mailto:jouni.korhonen@broadcom.com]
Sent: mardi 7 octobre 2014 08:45
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF?

Pascal,

It indeed is. No doubt= about that. Just wanted to stress that since the IETF BoF WiKi still menti= ons WG-forming BoF.

- Jouni

From: Pascal T= hubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@ci= sco.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:33 AM
To: Jouni Korhonen; Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF?

Which is quite fair, J= ouni.

We will have the Honol= ulu meeting to clarify what the work items should be, what needs to be done= at the IETF and how the interwork will happen with IEEE.=

There was a clear risk= that going too quickly we might have failed to demonstrate readiness and s= how a clean bill of feasible deliverables.

Does that make sense? =

Authors: we have till = 2014-10-27 (Monday) by UTC 23:59 for any Internet Draft submission L

I have built skeleton = xml files to help you start with.

Please raise hands!

Pascal

Yes.. but the p= roposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. So we will h= ave the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (that would b= e the IETF 92 then).

- Jouni

Did we get approved?

- Craig

--_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD842DF5B9Cxmbrcdx01ciscoc_-- From nobody Tue Oct 7 03:13:57 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B6581A923A for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:13:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.685 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.685 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r2mNs4rxAtiq for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:13:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 969F91A1B7C for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:13:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AkgLAEO8M1SHCzIm/2dsb2JhbABfgkgjI1NYBLhGAQEBAQEBBptaAoERFgEBeoQDAQEBAQMSG1wCAQgNBAQBAQsdBzIUCQgBAQQBEggSCIgcAaIJn1oBF4YgiXQ3AYMtgR4FkXSTUY15g2NsgUiBAgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,669,1406606400"; d="scan'208,217"; a="75221320" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast-smtpauth.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.38]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2014 06:13:51 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.13]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 07 Oct 2014 06:13:50 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC03.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.13]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 06:13:48 -0400 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: Jouni Korhonen , "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Any news about November BOF? Thread-Index: Ac/hrFm/1tRhMRAjSLSym9d7Pvov9wAARb4QABoAb8A= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:13:48 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8C1760@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.45] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8C1760AZFFEXMB04globa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/5-xbERlBo8aE_thDBPTaaW3qU0s Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:13:56 -0000 --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8C1760AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jouni, a small correction if I may - a WG-forming BOF is not a mandatory st= ep in forming a WG. The BOF at IETF-91 will probably not address the WG for= ming questions, but the ADs can decide about accepting a chartering proposa= l with or without holding a second BOF. Regards, Dan From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:41 AM To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Yes.. but the proposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. S= o we will have the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (t= hat would be the IETF 92 then). - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Having never participated in the IETF I'm unsure what happens next. I know= we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the Important Date= s page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date for ADs to approve BO= Fs. Did we get approved? - Craig --_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8C1760AZFFEXMB04globa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Jouni, a small correct= ion if I may - a WG-forming BOF is not a mandatory step in forming a WG. Th= e BOF at IETF-91 will probably not address the WG forming questions, but th= e ADs can decide about accepting a chartering proposal with or without holding a second BOF.

Regards,

Dan<= /p>

From: detnet [= mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:41 AM
To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF?=

Yes.. but the p= roposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. So we will h= ave the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (that would b= e the IETF 92 then).

- Jouni

Did we get approved?

- Craig

--_000_9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8C1760AZFFEXMB04globa_-- From nobody Tue Oct 7 03:29:14 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58F81A1B81 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:29:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y-VcdDBmnsel for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:29:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50DCC1A1B25 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:29:11 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,669,1406617200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="47434498" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 07 Oct 2014 03:31:48 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.14) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:29:18 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 03:29:17 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Any news about November BOF? Thread-Index: Ac/hrFm/1tRhMRAjSLSym9d7Pvov9wAARb4QABoAb8AAANbAEA== Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 10:29:17 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051387B2@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB51D8@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D05138183@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8C1760@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C8C1760@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051387B2SJEXCHMB09corpadb_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/vVfKLlkM1hWYwLWyFn99-4weLho Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 10:29:13 -0000 --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051387B2SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan, I know.. e.g. one of the WGs I chair never had a BoF. My assumption for the= second BoF is basically from the feedback we received from the IESG - i.e.= more education and pre-work is needed. The interest is there, definitely. - Jouni From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:14 PM To: Jouni Korhonen; Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF? Jouni, a small correction if I may - a WG-forming BOF is not a mandatory st= ep in forming a WG. The BOF at IETF-91 will probably not address the WG for= ming questions, but the ADs can decide about accepting a chartering proposa= l with or without holding a second BOF. Regards, Dan From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:41 AM To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Yes.. but the proposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. S= o we will have the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (t= hat would be the IETF 92 then). - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? Having never participated in the IETF I'm unsure what happens next. I know= we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the Important Date= s page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date for ADs to approve BO= Fs. Did we get approved? - Craig --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051387B2SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dan,=

I know.. e.g. one of t= he WGs I chair never had a BoF. My assumption for the second BoF is basical= ly from the feedback we received from the IESG – i.e. more education = and pre-work is needed. The interest is there, definitely.

- Jouni

From: Romascan= u, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 1:14 PM
To: Jouni Korhonen; Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: Any news about November BOF?

Regards,

Dan<= /p>

From: detnet [= mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:41 AM
To: Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.o= rg
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF?=

Yes.. but the p= roposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming BoF. So we will h= ave the BoF but then need another one to actually create a WG (that would b= e the IETF 92 then).

- Jouni

Did we get approved?

- Craig

--_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051387B2SJEXCHMB09corpadb_-- From nobody Tue Oct 7 09:17:40 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243EB1A6FE7 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:17:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.235 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.235 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Tj8NE4sFuXIh for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from d.mail.sonic.net (d.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.50]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D3E791A6FC2 for ; Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.22.240.136] ([162.210.130.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by d.mail.sonic.net (8.14.9/8.14.9) with ESMTP id s97GHI42004150 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 7 Oct 2014 09:17:20 -0700 Message-ID: <5434120D.4030906@acm.org> Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 09:17:17 -0700 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.9; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.1.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Jouni Korhonen , "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051383FD@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVZ3i45TLm7IE9rO3y9u8vmgZTQ40L8SqvBKFestZF2er8UBOJzBkJ9MovMJKwMk3cb5Ea7RTJCDizbU26f6IxF8 X-Sonic-ID: C;eGTGaD1O5BG1n3yTE+W37Q== M;mMGdaT1O5BG1n3yTE+W37Q== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/EdYXsuqJMSdhy2ElGA7_xBMG-4E Subject: Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 16:17:39 -0000 On 10/7/14 12:04 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Let me fix that, Jouni. > > The IAB/IESG also recommended that Erik chairs the non-WG-forming BoF > and that I stay in the arena to help defend the case. > > I�m unsure whether Erik agreed, but I�ll provisionally make the change > as well. > > Erik, can you please chair the DetNet BoF in Honolulu? > Sure, I told Ted I was willing to help by co-chairing the BoF. So you can change the page. Erik > Pascal > > *From:*Jouni Korhonen [mailto:jouni.korhonen@broadcom.com] > *Sent:* mardi 7 octobre 2014 08:45 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* RE: Any news about November BOF? > > Pascal, > > It indeed is. No doubt about that. Just wanted to stress that since > the IETF BoF WiKi still mentions WG-forming BoF. > > - Jouni > > *From:*Pascal Thubert (pthubert) [mailto:pthubert@cisco.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 9:33 AM > *To:* Jouni Korhonen; Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org > > *Subject:* RE: Any news about November BOF? > > Which is quite fair, Jouni. > > We will have the Honolulu meeting to clarify what the work items > should be, what needs to be done at the IETF and how the interwork > will happen with IEEE. > > There was a clear risk that going too quickly we might have failed to > demonstrate readiness and show a clean bill of feasible deliverables. > > Another aspect is that the next meeting will be in Dallas. This is > certainly an opportunity to attract more people from the factory > automation and the automotive industries than we might have had in Hawaii. > > The list of to-dos has not changed; we need a problem statement - that > one we have already started - and a number of requirement drafts in > the field of transportation (from cars and drones to Orion!), > Industrial discrete manufacturing (control loops and motion control), > public infrastructures and utilities - that one has started too -, and > multimedia games and A/V (from home to mastering studios). > > At the moment, DetNet is actively looking for authors and editors in > the fields above. The idea is to have a draft by Honolulu (need to > publish by the end of October) and to present in Dallas where we will > aggregate the requirements > > Does that make sense? > > Authors: we have till 2014-10-27 (Monday) by UTC 23:59 for any > Internet Draft submission L > > I have built skeleton xml files to help you start with. > > Please raise hands! > > Pascal > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Jouni > Korhonen > *Sent:* lundi 6 octobre 2014 23:42 > *To:* Gunther, Craig; detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? > > Yes.. but the proposal from the IESG & IAB is to do a non-wg-forming > BoF. So we will have the BoF but then need another one to actually > create a WG (that would be the IETF 92 then). > > - Jouni > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Gunther, > Craig > *Sent:* Tuesday, October 07, 2014 12:29 AM > *To:* detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Detnet] Any news about November BOF? > > Having never participated in the IETF I�m unsure what happens next. I > know we submitted a request for a BOF on Sep 26. Looking at the > Important Dates page I see last Friday (Oct 3) was the cut-off date > for ADs to approve BOFs. > > Did we get approved? > > - Craig > From nobody Wed Oct 8 09:44:51 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F11C81A9232 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:44:45 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jqW5Z7NrMaHN for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta12.messagelabs.com [216.82.251.16]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 506C91A9231 for ; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 09:44:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [216.82.250.83:14871] by server-16.bemta-12.messagelabs.com id 64/90-10985-1F965345; Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:44:33 +0000 X-Env-Sender: craig.gunther@harman.com X-Msg-Ref: server-5.tower-120.messagelabs.com!1412786672!15360746!1 X-Originating-IP: [75.102.19.198] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.12.2; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 20649 invoked from network); 8 Oct 2014 16:44:33 -0000 Received: from unknown.ord.scnet.net (HELO HICGWSEXHC02.ad.harman.com) (75.102.19.198) by server-5.tower-120.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 8 Oct 2014 16:44:33 -0000 Received: from HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com ([169.254.1.176]) by HICGWSEXHC02.ad.harman.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 8 Oct 2014 11:44:32 -0500 From: "Gunther, Craig" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IETF tool links Thread-Index: Ac/jFtiMRhbyKNAtQLubF+FVWl+/1w== Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:43:31 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 16:43:00 +0000 Message-ID: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB727C@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.34.5.24] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB727CHICGWSEXMB01adh_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/MYMmCOJIYnNF4ELO3oUP4-7o2nw Subject: [Detnet] IETF tool links X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 16:44:46 -0000 --_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB727CHICGWSEXMB01adh_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Here are two very helpful links that Jouni provided on today's IEEE TSN cal= l for those, like myself, that are new to the IETF: tools.ietf.org/ datatracker.ietf.org/ You can find information on BOFs and DetNet drafts, an agenda (TBD) for the= upcoming IETF91, and other useful information. If a DetNet Working Group = is approved you will eventually find a link to it on these pages as well. - Craig --_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB727CHICGWSEXMB01adh_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Here are two very helpful links that Jouni provided = on today’s IEEE TSN call for those, like myself, that are new to the = IETF:

tools.ietf.org/=

datatracker.ietf.o= rg/

You can find information on BOFs and DetNet drafts, = an agenda (TBD) for the upcoming IETF91, and other useful information. = ; If a DetNet Working Group is approved you will eventually find a link to = it on these pages as well.

- &= nbsp; Craig

--_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB727CHICGWSEXMB01adh_-- From nobody Thu Oct 9 05:48:05 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 129921ACE44 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 05:48:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.985 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.985 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.786] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WDLFV3m7H96p for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 05:47:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762B71ACE32 for ; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 05:47:58 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.04,684,1406617200"; d="scan'208,217"; a="47646472" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 09 Oct 2014 05:50:42 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.8) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 05:48:05 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Thu, 9 Oct 2014 05:48:05 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IETF tool links Thread-Index: Ac/jFtiMRhbyKNAtQLubF+FVWl+/1wAqBSiw Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 12:48:04 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D0513B1A9@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB727C@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> In-Reply-To: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB24392AEB727C@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D0513B1A9SJEXCHMB09corpadb_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/64KBINRYfB0E4wOulK5MMyv0J-A Subject: Re: [Detnet] IETF tool links X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 12:48:04 -0000 --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D0513B1A9SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Adding to this few more detailed links: The DetNet BoF page(s): http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/detnet/charter/ http://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/#Internet - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:44 PM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] IETF tool links Here are two very helpful links that Jouni provided on today's IEEE TSN cal= l for those, like myself, that are new to the IETF: tools.ietf.org/ datatracker.ietf.org/ You can find information on BOFs and DetNet drafts, an agenda (TBD) for the= upcoming IETF91, and other useful information. If a DetNet Working Group = is approved you will eventually find a link to it on these pages as well. - Craig --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D0513B1A9SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Adding to this few mor= e detailed links:

The DetNet BoF page(s)= :

http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/detnet/= charter/

http://tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/#Internet=

- Jouni

From: detnet [= mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 7:44 PM
To: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] IETF tool links

Here are two very helpful links that Jouni provided = on today’s IEEE TSN call for those, like myself, that are new to the = IETF:

tools.ietf.org/=

datatracker.ietf.o= rg/

- &= nbsp; Craig

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boundary="_000_D07422A94A032pwetterwciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/detnet/yrEXZfxESgvcew6eVtz9Qb11f2k Cc: "Raymond.Jean@hydro.qc.ca" Subject: [Detnet] draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-01 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 15:26:16 -0000 --_000_D07422A94A032pwetterwciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, Please notice that we submitted a new draft that is summarizing the determi= nistic networking requirements from the smart grid perspective. The document could be found here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs/ Many thanks, Jean and Patrick --_000_D07422A94A032pwetterwciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,

Please notice that we submitted a new draft that is summarizing the de= terministic networking requirements from the smart grid perspective.

The document could be found here:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilit= ies-reqs/

Many thanks,

Jean and Patrick

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