From nobody Fri Jan 16 09:55:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D49E1AD371 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:55:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tVSJdkxOgz1z for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:55:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.86.77]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EBCC71AD049 for ; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 09:55:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=14927; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1421430903; x=1422640503; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=6NCGKMb8sl8hOue4JX83CYoNcDxzHD+Uphtgqi+AA3Q=; b=HZ6x8UnMafmWqaM1Gl4yWncZOuSqwQufvR/JzGZfYICrzZhbiyn77Bfv qokdGGxjC9Pm/SbYKu45qvQEUFYrnI9xIAyr4pdEnaHf5PiBAHI+XQSZk PySJg5ERbJ8rh0gBBSAVd0WzIH0955pWrTnhDrepiiTMobjQJRRZMH4BI o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlwHAAZQuVStJA2G/2dsb2JhbABagkNDUlgBA8QCPIFthTQ5AoETQwEBAQEBfYQOAQQtTBIBKlYmAQQODQGIIw3SUwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARePSC0Egx2BEwWMcIFcg0eHB5BLIoNubwEEgUB+AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,412,1418083200"; d="scan'208,217";a="387627946" Received: from alln-core-12.cisco.com ([173.36.13.134]) by rcdn-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 16 Jan 2015 17:55:02 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com [173.36.12.81]) by alln-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t0GHt10a026829 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:55:01 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.100]) by xhc-aln-x07.cisco.com ([173.36.12.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 16 Jan 2015 11:55:00 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Preparing for a BoF Thread-Index: AdAxtUk8YtSNhfWCTDuxcf/63+ZKJg== Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:54:59 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:54:00 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.55.22.4] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD848B2560Bxmbrcdx01ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: David Fuller , "Gordon Bechtel \[gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com\] \(gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com\)" Subject: [Detnet] Preparing for a BoF X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 17:55:04 -0000 --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD848B2560Bxmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all: Happy new year! Time is running quickly and the cut off is already in 3 weeks. http://www.ietf.org/meeting/important-dates-2015.html#ietf92 has 2015-02-0= 6 (Friday): Cut-off date for BOF proposal requests to Area Directors at UTC= 23:59. Assuming we want to make the DetNet WG forming BoF in Dallas, there are a n= umber of tasks that we need to accomplish. On the bright side we have: * A draft problem statement http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-finn-de= tnet-problem-statement-01 * A pretty advanced text for the charter we put together before Hono= lulu (https://bitbucket.org/pthubert/detnet/src/563491fcea0d314642c11a07a43= b67e952b49e8d/detnet%20charter.txt?at=3Dmaster ) * A requirement draft for utilities https://tools.ietf.org/html/draf= t-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-00 Out of my mind we still need to progress on: * draft 00's for industrial (David?), Audio/Video (???) and vehicula= r (Gordon?) * gap analysis vs. of metro Ethernet * applicability of work at TEAS, CCAMP and PCE * draft charter Do we have volunteers to take on some of this? Pascal PS) Slides of the Honolulu BoF are visible here: https://bitbucket.org/pthu= bert/detnet/src --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD848B2560Bxmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all:

 

Happy new year!

 

Time is running quickly and the cut off is already i= n 3 weeks.

 

http://www.ietf.org/meeting/important-dates-2015.html#= ietf92 has  2015-02-06 (Friday): Cut-off date for BOF proposal requests to Area Directors at UTC 23:59. =

 

Assuming we want to make the DetNet WG forming BoF i= n Dallas, there are a number of tasks that we need to accomplish.

 

On the bright side we have:

·        A draft problem statement http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-finn-detnet-problem-statement-01<= /o:p>

·        A pretty advanced text for the charter we pu= t together before Honolulu (https://bitbucket.org/pthubert/detnet/src/563491fcea0d314642c11a07a43= b67e952b49e8d/detnet%20charter.txt?at=3Dmaster )

·        A requirement draft for utilities https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-00 <= o:p>

 

Out of my mind we still need to progress on:

·        draft 00’s for industrial (David?), Au= dio/Video (???) and vehicular (Gordon?)

·        gap analysis vs. of metro Ethernet

·        applicability of work at TEAS, CCAMP and PCE=

·        draft charter

 

Do we have volunteers to take on some of this?<= /o:p>

 

Pascal

 

PS) Slides of the Honolulu BoF are visible here: htt= ps://bitbucket.org/pthubert/detnet/src

 

--_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD848B2560Bxmbrcdx01ciscoc_-- From nobody Tue Jan 27 15:39:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33791A9165 for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:39:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GghA2WSGlCSB for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:39:20 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E7A31A914D for ; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:39:20 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,477,1418112000"; d="scan'208";a="55860238" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 27 Jan 2015 17:54:03 -0800 Received: from SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.12) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:39:19 -0800 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:39:19 -0800 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Deadlines are approaching Thread-Index: AdA6in01OdK7Bq0ZQaOhYsf2EZh8NA== Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:39:19 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 23:39:21 -0000 Folks, Just a reminder.. assuming we still want to pursue a DetNet BoF in Dallas I= ETF#92 1) 2015-02-06 (Friday): Cut-off date for BOF proposal requests to Area Dire= ctors at UTC 23:59. 2) 2015-02-13 (Friday): Cut-off date for Area Directors to approve BOFs at = UTC 23:59. 3) 2015-03-09 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, = including -00) - Jouni --=20 Jouni Korhonen, Ph.D, Associate Technical Director CTO Office, Networking, Broadcom Corporation O: +1-408-922-8135, M: +1-408-391-7160 From nobody Wed Jan 28 13:14:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B4DC1A0302 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:14:32 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -100.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-100.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id omk1GxxCFTOQ for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:14:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (asmtp4.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.175]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B15D61A005C for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 13:14:30 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp4.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0SLERcB025955 for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:27 GMT Received: from 950129200 (62-46-81-125.adsl.highway.telekom.at [62.46.81.125]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp4.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0SLEQBB025944 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:27 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:26 -0000 Message-ID: <08a301d03b3f$6639b220$32ad1660$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGZaWrKVCfxQvUpUhi0Y9LFqyBWLZ1DqIew Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21290.002 X-TM-AS-Result: No--29.135-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--29.135-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: fE0JoqABJp0Xd+TvfUWTU00IfQOJvRLRI/ToN0za+smpcDslKPmmsJrt SdDRAyM+ZzKe5+8ng6HLgrbEmYzqaX/Viz/sSvmwCFaAixm5eU+YZJKiXhR6LSBQRBOQhaJi78m ng1Xqld8rGQWJ2M1f1L8Lo7m5qTejgPuojlcvEcxgP1dNF1ow7XCvKh73RRywmHy7uaiMrL6QIE 66H9ymU1OPFzOxa0Wc6GLOtfnyXOR+kzNEKbXWo/3NPiyUzKzdt3aeg7g/usAutoY2UtFqGPHL8 fkEbKviWanxSQxBeTYSqo3ZUfrHh1xJyuxIJS/o5c/smpc6Y/6BjLzL4do+Vmk4lPEHP/+yAf0N IwR+4V5ALQ/ARlLzk9pqPuYFP8ObyNkakgF4d95CvapcIkxJX3WT6A/Vdqa0myiLZetSf8nJ4y0 wP1A6AKTygpcqFEs8jaPj0W1qn0SQZS2ujCtcuA== Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:14:32 -0000 Let me echo Jouni's observation about dates, but ask exactly what has happened since Honolulu. Judging by this mailing list, the topic has not got started yet (it would be harsh to describe it as dead in the water, since death would assume some sort of initial momentum!) It really isn't wise to totter from one BoF to the next. You don't really get endless attempts at forming a working group, and without visible progress it is hard to see what would be gained by a meeting in Dallas. There *was* some email traffic in the immediate aftermath of the BoF (indeed, while we were still in Hawaii), but this died out by the end of November and no detnet I-Ds have been posted since October. Even Pascal's first stab at a gap analysis seems to have languished in the email archive. So, up-level questions: What is driving this? Who is actually developing in this space? Is there a demand? My advice would be to bimble along with this mailing list until you have some I-Ds and a little more direction and substance, and then come back to a WG forming BoF. Adrian (not your AD - and not anyone's AD for much longer) > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen > Sent: 27 January 2015 23:39 > To: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching > > Folks, > > Just a reminder.. assuming we still want to pursue a DetNet BoF in Dallas IETF#92 > > 1) 2015-02-06 (Friday): Cut-off date for BOF proposal requests to Area Directors at > UTC 23:59. > 2) 2015-02-13 (Friday): Cut-off date for Area Directors to approve BOFs at UTC > 23:59. > 3) 2015-03-09 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all drafts, including > -00) > > - Jouni > > -- > Jouni Korhonen, Ph.D, Associate Technical Director > CTO Office, Networking, Broadcom Corporation > O: +1-408-922-8135, M: +1-408-391-7160 > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Thu Jan 29 02:17:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45C1C1A019B for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:16:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1G5A9EIYKUWH for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 667421A0151 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:16:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4099; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1422526613; x=1423736213; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=H7Gfxn9q927/Fv58ZIWi6DrjHIrLkA3drLNEF7p0XPU=; b=U4+HcX7gAdTyVnHP9F7ynGPOBFOc4Gd+KxlA02TCHbevpQjKVxpfCLam /h52Uo/ZqZ3cdXiPgtIDB1zn25QrgYAYMEyzlIWe1DhMiPsgYpDPSKK8U l4cHUzgCeqW7KjmE8AdPKbMILegM//MTAvfzZk6gyS009G2MMvrmF1C47 g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlUFAEwHylStJV2Y/2dsb2JhbABXA4MGUlkEwjOCGwqFJ0oCgR5DAQEBAQF9hAwBAQEEAQEBNzICCwwEAgEIEQEDAQELFAkHJwsUAwYIAgQBDQUIiCQN1hMBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQETBIoOhQgRAQIdIRAHBguDBYETBYlAhTSDS4ZuinmCeYM9IoNub4ELOX4BAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,485,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="391788330" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2015 10:16:52 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com [173.37.183.87]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t0TAGqM5025096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:16:52 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.100]) by xhc-rcd-x13.cisco.com ([173.37.183.87]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 04:16:51 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching Thread-Index: AQGZaWrKVCfxQvUpUhi0Y9LFqyBWLZ1DqIewgADXOWA= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:16:51 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:16:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <08a301d03b3f$6639b220$32ad1660$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <08a301d03b3f$6639b220$32ad1660$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.49.80.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Grossman, Ethan A. \(eagros@dolby.com\)" , "Rudy Klecka \(rklecka\)" , "Gordon Bechtel \[gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com\] \(gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com\)" , "david.fuller@ni.com" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:16:56 -0000 This is great advice, Adrian, thanks for this! I'll take your question in a different thread to make sure they can be foll= owed up easily. About activity and readiness, I agree that asking for a BoF looks premature= from the perspective of the activity on the list. Fact is, there has been quite a bit of activity, but on other forums and of= fline personal discussions. To my best knowledge, here's where we are: 1) We have a well-advanced requirement draft for power utilities https://to= ols.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-01=20 2) We have interested parties and proposed authors for requirements in AVB = and in particular AVB in automotive (Ethan and Gordon) 3) We have interested parties and proposed authors for requirements in indu= strial Factory Automation (David leading, Rudy and I can help or suggest co= -authors) 4) ISA100.12 is interested in providing requirements for both Northbound an= d Southbound APIs in industrial Process Control. This is slow, and very muc= h bound to US so Dallas would be a great place to make some progress, even = if it is not in the form of a WG-forming BoF. 5) We have started a problem statement draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/d= raft-finn-detnet-problem-statement-01) and an draft architecture is on the = works. 6) We have a draft charter (for our activity if not for WG yet, I'm working= on an update that I'll propose to the list in the coming days). Cheers, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Adrian Farrel > Sent: mercredi 28 janvier 2015 22:14 > To: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching >=20 > Let me echo Jouni's observation about dates, but ask exactly what has hap= pened > since Honolulu. >=20 > Judging by this mailing list, the topic has not got started yet (it would= be harsh to > describe it as dead in the water, since death would assume some sort of i= nitial > momentum!) >=20 > It really isn't wise to totter from one BoF to the next. You don't really= get > endless attempts at forming a working group, and without visible progress= it is > hard to see what would be gained by a meeting in Dallas. >=20 > There *was* some email traffic in the immediate aftermath of the BoF (ind= eed, > while we were still in Hawaii), but this died out by the end of November = and no > detnet I-Ds have been posted since October. Even Pascal's first stab at a= gap > analysis seems to have languished in the email archive. >=20 > So, up-level questions: > What is driving this? > Who is actually developing in this space? > Is there a demand? >=20 > My advice would be to bimble along with this mailing list until you have = some I- > Ds and a little more direction and substance, and then come back to a WG > forming BoF. >=20 > Adrian (not your AD - and not anyone's AD for much longer) >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni > > Korhonen > > Sent: 27 January 2015 23:39 > > To: detnet@ietf.org > > Subject: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching > > > > Folks, > > > > Just a reminder.. assuming we still want to pursue a DetNet BoF in > > Dallas > IETF#92 > > > > 1) 2015-02-06 (Friday): Cut-off date for BOF proposal requests to Area > Directors at > > UTC 23:59. > > 2) 2015-02-13 (Friday): Cut-off date for Area Directors to approve > > BOFs at UTC 23:59. > > 3) 2015-03-09 (Monday): Internet Draft submission cut-off (for all > > drafts, > including > > -00) > > > > - Jouni > > > > -- > > Jouni Korhonen, Ph.D, Associate Technical Director CTO Office, > > Networking, Broadcom Corporation > > O: +1-408-922-8135, M: +1-408-391-7160 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > detnet mailing list > > detnet@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Thu Jan 29 02:57:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B38651A01F6 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:57:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jGDI-9BA-8jo for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:57:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 83BBB1A007A for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 02:57:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10915; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1422529065; x=1423738665; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=ciXxz3bugFaNtbDqE9Mn2+DMtagCx5tFOFeOeLj/UPU=; b=Q6PuNxZU9jKBww2OcuK38uQyNtKPmds9XunMS0K8UgCz/ccE5pjiw+cd yZjaJgGCoTDvnIA4K7EkiUIvgv+4AnSubi3tRQ2xEHzJVZKv1Xm4vJXwL 3PKM0OMova6nAZTvMNfdmDWjtRPCjxhlaa43fXo90zIVAhkSaWV7hsi4r o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0ANBQBbEcpU/5NdJa1QCoMGgS/CM4gWAoEeQwEBAQEBfYQOAQQ6LSQBGhAUQg8ICAcBBAoRE4gRsEKlRQEBAQcBAQEBAR2PHAQng06BEwWFRodNgWGFWIRhgwGOLiKCAhyBUIFxQn4BAQE X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,485,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="118615847" Received: from rcdn-core-11.cisco.com ([173.37.93.147]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2015 10:57:43 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com [173.37.183.84]) by rcdn-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t0TAvhae012332 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:57:43 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.100]) by xhc-rcd-x10.cisco.com ([173.37.183.84]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 04:57:43 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: detnet work Thread-Index: AdA7skGhv9+/TiqWQ8+rb54eowgFcQ== Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:57:42 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:57:00 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.49.80.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] detnet work X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 10:57:48 -0000 Dear all: As Adrian points out, we need more activity on the list and a clear demonst= ration of a critical mass of contributors before we can request a WG-formin= g BoF at the IETF. Question comes up of which contribution that could be, and that's when the = charter discussion comes into play. Based on the discussions in Honolulu, I rephrased the proposed charter as f= ollows.=20 >From there, we do need all the activity and comments we can get, like: - I'm willing to contribute on a piece listed there - I'm willing to contribute on a piece that is not but should be listed the= re - this piece does not belong in DetNet - comments, improvements, suggestions.. Please speak up! Pascal ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------------------------------------- detnet: "deterministic networking"=20 Background on deterministic networking =20 -------------------------------------- Operational Technology (OT) refers to industrial networks that are typicall= y used for monitoring systems and supporting control loops, as well as move= ment detection systems for use in process control (i.e., process manufactur= ing) and factory automation (i.e., discrete manufacturing). Due to its diff= erent goals, OT has evolved in parallel but in a manner that is radically d= ifferent from IT/ICT, focusing on highly secure, reliable and deterministic= networks, with limited scalability over a bounded area. The convergence of IT and OT technologies, also called the Industrial Inter= net, represents a major evolution for both sides. The work has already star= ted; in particular, the industrial automation space has been developing a n= umber of Ethernet-based replacements for existing digital control systems, = often not packet-based (fieldbus technologies). These replacements are mean= t to provide similar behavior as the incumbent protocols, and their common = focus is to transport a fully characterized flow over a well-controlled env= ironment (i.e., a factory floor), with a bounded latency, extraordinarily l= ow frame loss, and a very narrow jitter. Examples of such protocols include= PROFINET, ODVA Ethernet/IP, and EtherCAT. =20 In parallel, the need for determinism in professional and home audio/video = markets drove the formation of the Audio/Video Bridging (AVB) standards eff= orts of IEEE 802.1. With the explosion of demand for connectivity and multi= media in transportation in general, AVB has also become one of the hottest = topics in the automotive industry, finding current application in vehicle h= ead units, rear seat entertainment modules, amplifiers, and camera modules,= with engine control systems to follow soon. Thus automotive AVB networks s= hare the requirement for extremely low packet loss rates, guaranteed finite= latency, and low jitter. Other instances of in-vehicle deterministic networks have arisen as well fo= r control networks in cars, trains and buses, as well as avionics, with, fo= r instance, the mission-critical Avionics Full-Duplex Switched Ethernet (AF= DX) that was designed as part of the ARINC 664 standards. Existing automoti= ve control networks such as the LIN, CAN and FlexRay standards were not des= igned to cover these increasing demands in terms of bandwidth and scalabili= ty that we see with various kinds of Driver Assistance Systems (DAS) and ne= w multiplexing technologies based on Ethernet are now getting traction.=20 The generalization of the needs for more deterministic networks have led to= the IEEE 802.1 AVB Task Group becoming the Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN)= Task Group (TG), with a much-expanded constituency from the industrial and= vehicular markets. Along with this expansion, the networks in consideratio= n are becoming larger and structured, requiring deterministic forwarding be= yond the LAN boundaries. For instance, Industrial Automation segregates the= network along the broad lines of the Purdue Enterprise Reference Architect= ure (PERA), using different technologies at each level, and public infrastr= uctures such as Electricity Automation require deterministic properties ove= r the Wide Area. The realization is now coming that the convergence of IT a= nd OT networks requires Layer-3, as well as Layer-2, capabilities.=20 In order to serve this extended requirement, the IETF and the IEEE must col= laborate and define an abstract model that can be applicable both at Layer-= 2 and Layer-3, and along segments of different technologies. With this new = work, a path may span, for instance, across a (limited) number of 802.1 bri= dges and then a (limited) number of IP routers. In that example, the IEEE80= 2.1 bridges may be operating at Layer-2 over Ethernet whereas the IP router= s may be 6TiSCH nodes operating at Layer-2 and/or Layer-3 over the IEEE802.= 15.4e MAC. The proposed model should enable a fully scheduled operation orc= hestrated by a central controller, as well as a more distributed operation = with probably lesser capabilities. In any fashion, the model should not com= promise the ability of a network to keep carrying the sorts of traffic that= is already carried today.=20 =20 Once the abstract model is agreed upon, the IETF will need to specify the s= ignaling elements to be used to establish a path and the tagging elements t= o be used identify the flows that are to be forwarded along that path. The = IETF will also need to specify the necessary protocols, or protocol additio= ns, based on relevant IETF technologies such as PCE, MPLS and 6TiSCH, to im= plement the selected model. As a result of this work, it will be possible t= o establish a multi-hop path over the IP network, for a particular flow wit= h precise timing and throughput requirements, and carry this particular flo= w along the multi-hop path with such characteristics as low latency and ult= ra-low jitter, duplication and elimination of packets over non-congruent pa= ths for a higher delivery ratio, and/or zero congestion loss. Depending on = the network capabilities and on the current state, requests to establish a = path by an end-node or a network management entity may be granted or reject= ed, and an existing path may be moved or removed. =20 WG description -------------- The deterministic networking Working Group (detnet) will focus on the estab= lishment and maintenance of multi-hop paths over Layer-2 Bridged and Layer-= 3 routed segments. Though only Layer-3 operations will be specified by the = WG as Standard Track documents, the group will collaborate with IEEE802.1TS= N, which designs the Layer-2 operations, to define a common paradigm, lever= aging cross-participation and liaison work to maintain consistency. In that= common paradigm, a number of elements such as the host operation should be= agnostic to the organization of the multi-hop path.=20 The Working Group will initially consider a centralized model where the con= trol and data planes are decoupled, and refer to the general Software Defin= ed Networking (SDN) model of an application layer, a control layer, and a n= etwork infrastructure layer, separated by APIs. DetNet will propose standar= ds for the network infrastructure and its APIs, only. The considered networ= k will initially be of a moderate size, composed of mixed Layer-2 / Layer-3= sub-networks of IEEE802.1 bridges, routers, and hosts. A single administra= tive domain such as a campus, a Small/Home office Network, or a controlled = Wide Area Network will be assumed to start with, and approaches that can be= applied to the Internet at large will be favored.=20 =20 The Working Group will initially specify the protocol elements that are req= uired to enable an multi-hop path, and forward along that path with the det= erministic properties of controlled latency, low packet loss, ultra-low jit= ter, and high reliability. The work will apply to and only to flows that ca= n be characterized in a manner that allows the network to 1) reserve the ap= propriate resources for the flows in advance, and 2) release/reuse the reso= urces when they are no more required. The work will cover the characterizat= ion of flows, the tagging of packets, the required forwarding behaviors, as= well as the state that may need to be established in intermediate nodes; i= t will not include end-to-end consideration such as transport protocols. Th= is work focuses on flows and does not depend on the path setup protocol tha= t will be selected. The data models and flow tagging should be compatible w= ith the similar work done at IEEE801.1TSN so they could be either directly = usable at both layers, or mappable in an unambiguous fashion. =20 The WG will interface with other appropriate groups in the IETF in the Inte= rnet (e.g. 6TiSCH), Transport (e.g. TSVWG), Operations and Management, Rout= ing and Security areas. As the work progresses, some of the items initially= considered the deterministic networking WG may be transferred to those wor= king groups as deemed appropriate by all parties. =20 Work Items =20 ---------- =20 - Deliverables: =20 * An analysis of the needs in various deployment environments. 3-4 inform= ational track requirement documents which could include factory automation,= grid automation, avionics and audio/video in professional studios and/or a= utomotive applications. =20 * A generic problem statement including an analysis of the proposed solut= ions of the related work at IEEE802.1TSN. * An architecture detailing the preferred approach and its interaction wi= th the related work at IEEE802.1TSN. * A standards track data flow characterization model document for use in = flow reservation protocol. The model should be independent from the protoco= l(s) used to deploy the flows (e.g. an evolution of PCEP or CCAMP).=20 =20 * A standards track data model document describing device and links capab= ilities (feature support) and resources (buffers, bandwidth...) for use in = advertising the deterministic network elements to the controller plane. The= model should be independent from the protocol(s) that are used to notify t= he controller (e.g. ISIS or TEAS extensions).=20 =20 * A standards track flow identification document for use in packet forwar= ding, with the specific application to at least classical IP, 6TiSCH track = forwarding, and MPLS.=20 =20 * A standards track data model for the abstract state to be installed in = the forwarding device and the associated packet forwarding behavior.=20 Based on that work, DetNet will study the gap between the needs in those = models and the protocol elements that are available at the IETF, and sugges= t further work for extensions where needed.=20 From nobody Thu Jan 29 05:13:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A8E61A036C for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:13:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x71Cve2LQb9i for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:13:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (asmtp5.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.176]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0553C1A0154 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 05:13:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp5.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0TDDEiq003286; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:13:14 GMT Received: from 950129200 (194-166-224-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at [194.166.224.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp5.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0TDD54Y003212 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:13:06 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)'" , References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <08a301d03b3f$6639b220$32ad1660$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:13:01 -0000 Message-ID: <00f801d03bc5$5688daf0$039a90d0$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGZaWrKVCfxQvUpUhi0Y9LFqyBWLQHpaLvqAbx/KZ+dJ4ZhYA== Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21290.007 X-TM-AS-Result: No--14.593-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--14.593-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: byfwvk+IcRnZfnct5UBzcS5psu1vao0oFTmqwD90nsK062m9dLqq52m/ N8KSlgdBwUmciyNEZyImLAKGg+KHxtWKNmKtnvU1SEQN/D/3cG6Hxi2fvkKUM4toPF88Qg37u4p TnMmAESfRYd2+mSl7rXG6hUN8mY52bZBl9dTFT1/RXhA4ma+s3vioIsi7Sa0gGNAPebYwJ/vqVr yeM7Kl1xbOBuOIIK5F5jrCzlkkxku+9Go4BgFPZo1nuRzhSr7j7ZDIoROKDtPSYAzZ6KmqWg//Q 4wVfhkeJZo9nJi7/w4kd7mq9X8aGFwLFcfbmwwd04Rmz/agfdxCs7hdHoFFA50Koq3EzpuHVFhr zgDiMhI7FmjBvL2ukTAZ9CnfhbyToxuTiOKz/MeWLCkl1lq7B30tCKdnhB58vqq8s2MNhPDPPeN 6HN6d7Ku6xVHLhqfxIAcCikR3vq8UAO217EJWj7zetT/yAxGGaQNmR6mf6NJTz8inp1T29aWj3G 8F1+Iu Archived-At: Cc: "'Grossman, Ethan A.'" , "'Rudy Klecka \(rklecka\)'" , gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com, david.fuller@ni.com Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 13:13:25 -0000 I am genuine not trying to be negative, but to try to give you the momentum and ammunition to make progress in the IETF. Too often I hear "but it is too slow/hard to make progress in the IETF" and I would prefer that this work (if it has legs) would be given a proper airing within the IETF. > About activity and readiness, I agree that asking for a BoF looks premature from > the perspective of the activity on the list. > Fact is, there has been quite a bit of activity, but on other forums and offline > personal discussions. Well, there is an easy answer to that! Have your discussion on the list or, at the very least, report your discussions on the list. You want a working group, and that is a community activity. Unless you involve the community you will fail. > To my best knowledge, here's where we are: > > 1) We have a well-advanced requirement draft for power utilities > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-01 So, no change since October. Specifically, no changes since the BoF in Honolulu. > 2) We have interested parties and proposed authors for requirements in AVB and > in particular AVB in automotive (Ethan and Gordon) Pleased to see they are interested. Looking forward to reading their drafts. > 3) We have interested parties and proposed authors for requirements in > industrial Factory Automation (David leading, Rudy and I can help or suggest co- > authors) Pleased to see they are interested. Looking forward to reading their drafts. > 4) ISA100.12 is interested in providing requirements for both Northbound and > Southbound APIs in industrial Process Control. This is slow, and very much bound > to US so Dallas would be a great place to make some progress, even if it is not in > the form of a WG-forming BoF. Having people under one roof and sitting round a dinner table to make progress is an excellent option. > 5) We have started a problem statement draft (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft- > finn-detnet-problem-statement-01) and an draft architecture is on the works. So, no change since October. Specifically, no changes since the BoF in Honolulu. > 6) We have a draft charter (for our activity if not for WG yet, I'm working on an > update that I'll propose to the list in the coming days). To be brutally honest, the draft charter is a pointless waste of your effort at the moment. If you don't have some better answers to the questions arising from Honolulu then you don't have enough direction. Let's be clear, you don't need a WG or a charter to do the work. What you need is to do the work. Best, Adrian From nobody Thu Jan 29 06:25:08 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55C781A19F2 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:25:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2cxLaA5IUBBc for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:25:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 04B4A1A03A3 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 06:25:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=4607; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1422541504; x=1423751104; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=8bXAjUWF7nfLnu1+NvrGdWJAROzymqB+h/xXOsVQgnA=; b=cAd1LwNwotNf+818LdjbcddUH2vxI8uvB55l0ACCkmeNOc4QeK/dy8nt l+8AFrzxqhrb5QpxX/gBYQR/EQ/6clfXzj5rBZJBtEA9dMN1d71BpfU7S z3CH9mZfL62t16akQtVCTvRVNmV9DY2WhA4W4tBrreVw0HY9lifzlGvhW A=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0BSBQBUQspU/4gNJK1agwZSWQTCM4IlhXECgR9DAQEBAQF9hAwBAQEEOj8MBAIBCBEBAwEBCxQJBzIUAwYIAgQBDQUIDAeIEQ3WewEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARMEig6FGQEBAR0xBwaDEIETBY50g0uGbop5gnmDPSKCAhyBUG+BCzl+AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,486,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="118670526" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 29 Jan 2015 14:25:03 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com [173.36.12.83]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t0TEP3WQ015633 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:25:03 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.100]) by xhc-aln-x09.cisco.com ([173.36.12.83]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 08:25:02 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching Thread-Index: AQGZaWrKVCfxQvUpUhi0Y9LFqyBWLZ1DqIewgADXOWCAAJydgP//q0vg Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:25:02 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:24:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <08a301d03b3f$6639b220$32ad1660$@olddog.co.uk> <00f801d03bc5$5688daf0$039a90d0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <00f801d03bc5$5688daf0$039a90d0$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.49.80.28] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "'Grossman, Ethan A.'" , "Rudy Klecka \(rklecka\)" , "gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com" , "david.fuller@ni.com" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:25:06 -0000 All clear and fair, Adrian.=20 And I'd add that "to do the work" requires agreement of what's the work to = be done. I'm providing my own recap from the Honolulu meeting in the separate mail I= sent on the list, yes, as a charter, but also and mainly it's a todo list.= =20 The big thing we found at the BoF is that we have to do a gap analysis, and= the question was in the end of the meeting was, well, gap between what and= what? One of the "what" is the set of DetNet requirements that must be fulfilled.= Note: we did not present the existing work at or since Honolulu, so it is = still to be debated. Based on requirements - when we have them all - we'll have to consider vari= ous data models and interactions that can represent a desirable solution to= the problem.=20 Only then do we have a "what" that we can compare with another "what". Anot= her big progress we made in Honolulu was that we decided to focus on the se= parate control plane, at least for a start. The other "what" is the world at large, and the IETF in particular. Then ag= ain the BoF helped, and now we know we'll have to look at CCAMP, TEAS, and = PCE.=20 All in all, the BoF was really useful, and I trust that we could use a roof= again in Dallas to progress on the requirements. Do you think that asking = for another BoF is excessive? Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] > Sent: jeudi 29 janvier 2015 14:13 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); detnet@ietf.org > Cc: gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com; 'Grossman, Ethan A.'; Rudy Klecka > (rklecka); david.fuller@ni.com > Subject: RE: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching >=20 > I am genuine not trying to be negative, but to try to give you the moment= um and > ammunition to make progress in the IETF. Too often I hear "but it is too > slow/hard to make progress in the IETF" and I would prefer that this work= (if it > has legs) would be given a proper airing within the IETF. >=20 > > About activity and readiness, I agree that asking for a BoF looks > > premature > from > > the perspective of the activity on the list. > > Fact is, there has been quite a bit of activity, but on other forums > > and > offline > > personal discussions. >=20 > Well, there is an easy answer to that! > Have your discussion on the list or, at the very least, report your discu= ssions on > the list. > You want a working group, and that is a community activity. Unless you in= volve > the community you will fail. >=20 > > To my best knowledge, here's where we are: > > > > 1) We have a well-advanced requirement draft for power utilities > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-01 >=20 > So, no change since October. Specifically, no changes since the BoF in Ho= nolulu. >=20 > > 2) We have interested parties and proposed authors for requirements in > > AVB and in particular AVB in automotive (Ethan and Gordon) >=20 > Pleased to see they are interested. Looking forward to reading their draf= ts. >=20 > > 3) We have interested parties and proposed authors for requirements in > > industrial Factory Automation (David leading, Rudy and I can help or > > suggest > co- > > authors) >=20 > Pleased to see they are interested. Looking forward to reading their draf= ts. >=20 > > 4) ISA100.12 is interested in providing requirements for both > > Northbound and Southbound APIs in industrial Process Control. This is > > slow, and very much > bound > > to US so Dallas would be a great place to make some progress, even if > > it is > not in > > the form of a WG-forming BoF. >=20 > Having people under one roof and sitting round a dinner table to make pro= gress > is an excellent option. >=20 > > 5) We have started a problem statement draft > (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft- > > finn-detnet-problem-statement-01) and an draft architecture is on the w= orks. >=20 > So, no change since October. Specifically, no changes since the BoF in Ho= nolulu. >=20 > > 6) We have a draft charter (for our activity if not for WG yet, I'm > > working on > an > > update that I'll propose to the list in the coming days). >=20 > To be brutally honest, the draft charter is a pointless waste of your eff= ort at the > moment. If you don't have some better answers to the questions arising fr= om > Honolulu then you don't have enough direction. >=20 > Let's be clear, you don't need a WG or a charter to do the work. What you= need > is to do the work. >=20 > Best, > Adrian From nobody Thu Jan 29 09:29:11 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC4F1A8545 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:29:07 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XzixGT1p43e8 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:29:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (asmtp2.iomartmail.com [62.128.201.249]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B34241A8704 for ; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 09:29:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0THSlCG028837; Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:28:47 GMT Received: from 950129200 (194-166-224-30.adsl.highway.telekom.at [194.166.224.30]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t0THSiEd028754 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:28:45 GMT From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)'" , References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <08a301d03b3f$6639b220$32ad1660$@olddog.co.uk> <00f801d03bc5$5688daf0$039a90d0$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:28:43 -0000 Message-ID: <006901d03be9$099da710$1cd8f530$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQGZaWrKVCfxQvUpUhi0Y9LFqyBWLQHpaLvqAbx/KZ8Cg2r0JwGbMBD6nQbYxtA= Content-Language: en-gb X-TM-AS-MML: disable X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSS-7.1.0.1576-7.5.0.1018-21292.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--5.271-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--5.271-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: O/y65JfDwws4HKI/yaqRm5RrnSy7UTtb1kqyrcMalqUNht78/JfyBC/U RdGEUu4aQSvReWqbl4NP0qF38UTP1G7+erTpWLvPKWuiyZLRI4BAq6/y5AEOOqnu3/KtWfGQQvr Dkk2cTtWLsN1YnMTozQkxECa/ilzsgvdOIIvof4WeAiCmPx4NwLTrdaH1ZWqCmBlD3TjdXl76C0 ePs7A07Y6HM5rqDwqtvHoO6x3ymZPvrDkcca3hUbhmK51+WdkVt0x2RnaOQsoCSF4dpqUmJg== Archived-At: Cc: "'Grossman, Ethan A.'" , "'Rudy Klecka \(rklecka\)'" , gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com, david.fuller@ni.com Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: adrian@olddog.co.uk List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 17:29:08 -0000 > Do you think that asking for another BoF is excessive? Unless you're asking for it in Routing, this is a question between you and your AD. It seems to me that you can run two approaches to taking work to the community: 1. Discuss and debate before documenting 2. Document and use that to drive discussion At this early stage, I would expect that there is a small core of passionately interested people who could meet electronically and produce some documents for the rest of the community to pick up and work on. I would see that as a criterion for showing enough interest for a WG-forming BoF. Suppose you have a second BoF and it fails. How will you persuade the IESG to let you have a third BoF? So get all of your ducks lined up. Adrian From nobody Fri Jan 30 10:13:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DFC1A8728 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:13:10 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id k3zh8NT_mVvF for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:12:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail1.bemta8.messagelabs.com (mail1.bemta8.messagelabs.com [216.82.243.208]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3D0AC1A8730 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:12:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from [216.82.241.195] by server-16.bemta-8.messagelabs.com id 45/CF-02756-079CBC45; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:12:00 +0000 X-Env-Sender: craig.gunther@harman.com X-Msg-Ref: server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com!1422641519!39251837!1 X-Originating-IP: [75.102.19.198] X-StarScan-Received: X-StarScan-Version: 6.12.5; banners=-,-,- X-VirusChecked: Checked Received: (qmail 25676 invoked from network); 30 Jan 2015 18:11:59 -0000 Received: from unknown.ord.scnet.net (HELO HICGWSEXHC01.ad.harman.com) (75.102.19.198) by server-11.tower-119.messagelabs.com with AES128-SHA encrypted SMTP; 30 Jan 2015 18:11:59 -0000 Received: from HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com ([169.254.1.182]) by HICGWSEXHC01.ad.harman.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:12:05 -0600 From: "Gunther, Craig" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: There really is progress... 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Thread-Index: AdA8uc/HYHooFToWR8q5u8+Hny4LNA== Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:24:18 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:24:00 +0000 Message-ID: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB243944B7DB5C@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.34.5.24] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB243944B7DB5CHICGWSEXMB01adh_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Drafts - How to? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:25:26 -0000 --_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB243944B7DB5CHICGWSEXMB01adh_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As some of us are new to the IETF processes and we would appreciate some gu= idance with creating the *-00 drafts that have been requested. We've seen = this draft for utilities posted: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwa= ld-detnet-utilities-reqs-00, and are planning to contribute some automotive= and pro audio drafts. Specifically where are these "stored" as they are being created by a group = of authors? I'm assuming they are not posted to the IETF until the draft i= s ready. How are others that might want to contribute made aware of the wo= rk that is going on (i.e. how do they get access to the drafts in progress)= ? - Craig --_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB243944B7DB5CHICGWSEXMB01adh_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As some of us are new to the IETF processes and we w= ould appreciate some guidance with creating the *-00 drafts that have been = requested.  We’ve seen this draft for utilities posted: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-0= 0, and are planning to contribute some automotive and pro audio drafts.=

 

Specifically where are these “stored” as= they are being created by a group of authors?  I’m assuming the= y are not posted to the IETF until the draft is ready.  How are others= that might want to contribute made aware of the work that is going on (i.e. how do they get access to the drafts in progress)?

 

-     &= nbsp;    Craig

--_000_6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB243944B7DB5CHICGWSEXMB01adh_-- From nobody Fri Jan 30 10:48:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E611A1ADD for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:48:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.31 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.31 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VUbJA8XxHLDQ for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:48:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.62]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C579B1A19F6 for ; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:48:14 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.09,492,1418112000"; d="scan'208,217"; a="56123070" Received: from irvexchcas07.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS07.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.55]) by mail-gw1-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 30 Jan 2015 13:04:06 -0800 Received: from SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.12) by IRVEXCHCAS07.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.174.1; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:47:54 -0800 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS05.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Fri, 30 Jan 2015 10:48:10 -0800 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "Gunther, Craig" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Drafts - How to? Thread-Index: AdA8uc/HYHooFToWR8q5u8+Hny4LNAAAn7Aw Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:47:53 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F8089@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> References: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB243944B7DB5C@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> In-Reply-To: <6807F4184B7A9A48A3DFDD4A01CB243944B7DB5C@HICGWSEXMB01.ad.harman.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F8089SJEXCHMB09corpadb_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Drafts - How to? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:48:22 -0000 --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F8089SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Craig, Once you have written the draft, submit it using the webtool here: http://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/ Typically you need to do the solicitation for co-authors behind the scenes.= Also, one good way to do it is to submit an *interesting* -00 version and = that works like a honey pot.. others will want to join and provide their co= ntributions. For example, my collaborative work is usually shared via github: https://github.com/jounikor?tab=3Drepositories Old fashion way is just email stuff around :) If you need any assistance on further practicalities, just drop me a mail. - Jouni From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:24 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Drafts - How to? As some of us are new to the IETF processes and we would appreciate some gu= idance with creating the *-00 drafts that have been requested. We've seen = this draft for utilities posted: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwa= ld-detnet-utilities-reqs-00, and are planning to contribute some automotive= and pro audio drafts. Specifically where are these "stored" as they are being created by a group = of authors? I'm assuming they are not posted to the IETF until the draft i= s ready. How are others that might want to contribute made aware of the wo= rk that is going on (i.e. how do they get access to the drafts in progress)= ? - Craig --_000_72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F8089SJEXCHMB09corpadb_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Craig,

 

Once you have written = the draft, submit it using the webtool here:

http://datatracker.ietf.org/submit/

 

Typically you need to = do the solicitation for co-authors behind the scenes. Also, one good way to= do it is to submit an *interesting* -00 version and that works like= a honey pot.. others will want to join and provide their contributions.

 

For example, my collab= orative work is usually shared via github:

https://github.com/jounikor?tab=3Drepo= sitories

 

Old fashion way is jus= t email stuff around :)

 

If you need any assist= ance on further practicalities, just drop me a mail.

 

- Jouni

 

 

From: detnet [= mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunther, Craig
Sent: Friday, January 30, 2015 10:24 AM
To: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] Drafts - How to?

 

As some of us are new to the IETF processes and we w= ould appreciate some guidance with creating the *-00 drafts that have been = requested.  We’ve seen this draft for utilities posted: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs-0= 0, and are planning to contribute some automotive and pro audio drafts.=

 

Specifically where are these “stored” as= they are being created by a group of authors?  I’m assuming the= y are not posted to the IETF until the draft is ready.  How are others= that might want to contribute made aware of the work that is going on (i.e. how do they get access to the drafts in progress)?

 

-     &= nbsp;  Craig

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