From nobody Thu Feb 5 09:22:16 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA2811A1A90 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:22:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e2M17P3Y9WvZ for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:22:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CDD821A0451 for ; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 09:22:12 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2678; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1423156934; x=1424366534; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=TjFjRqjWP48MM54ZMZLEQr3/G+KCG/g3S5w9T3PYhWg=; b=miub2ePYyxpzKBJDysE4SbrYMFD+Hu/VJrTXn+B6jKpwCdBkrQ5u+wYP KoFJMkijZLEcY+j71FE8A3J7Z7Pu6w8jgynElCT3chXlK2njOnKabtxoe N0lA+85ezCq00Y2HZWdVFfYM6zkf3G8tstFHyfeADHmvvYfK6xmuVb5UR M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0A+BQDfpdNU/4kNJK1agmQiUlkEgn2/QQqFJ0oCHIELQwEBAQEBfYQMAQEBAwEBAQEgEToGBQwEAgEIEQECAQIDAiYCAgIlCxQBAgYIAgQBDQUUiBEIAQzAaZYzAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEwSBIY4kMwcGgmKBQQWPGIksgReOFoM+IoNub4FEfgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,525,1418083200"; d="scan'208";a="120904587" Received: from alln-core-4.cisco.com ([173.36.13.137]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 05 Feb 2015 17:22:13 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com [173.36.12.77]) by alln-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t15HMBmV024096 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:22:12 GMT Received: from xmb-aln-x02.cisco.com ([fe80::8c1c:7b85:56de:ffd1]) by xhc-aln-x03.cisco.com ([173.36.12.77]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:22:11 -0600 From: "Norman Finn (nfinn)" To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching Thread-Index: AdA6in01OdK7Bq0ZQaOhYsf2EZh8NAA5zKMAABtTWoAABicOgAACg+EAAAZqQYABTwv7gA== Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2015 17:22:11 +0000 Message-ID: References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D051F2E0F@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> <08a301d03b3f$6639b220$32ad1660$@olddog.co.uk> <00f801d03bc5$5688daf0$039a90d0$@olddog.co.uk> <006901d03be9$099da710$1cd8f530$@olddog.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <006901d03be9$099da710$1cd8f530$@olddog.co.uk> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.4.7.141117 x-originating-ip: [10.24.143.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-ID: <4F2ED739AC442948BCCD5E5D3E691991@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "'Grossman, Ethan A.'" , "Rudy Klecka \(rklecka\)" , "gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com" , "david.fuller@ni.com" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." 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Thu, 5 Feb 2015 11:34:50 -0600 From: "Norman Finn (nfinn)" To: "Xialiang (Frank)" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] L2/L3 model? 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I have begun drafting the Pro Audio requirements doc= ument.  If you are interested in actively participating please let me = know.  I anticipate having the initial 00 draft ready before the end o= f the month.

 

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boundary=001a11c241e29c34c6050ed0bd12 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , "david.fuller@ni.com" , "Rudy Klecka \(rklecka\)" , "Norman Finn \(nfinn\)" , "Grossman, Ethan A." , "adrian@olddog.co.uk" , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2015 14:49:44 -0000 --001a11c241e29c34c6050ed0bd12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would very much enjoy meeting everyone F2F, but will not be able to attend the Dallas sessions due to vacation. I will stay tuned to the mailing list. Best, Gordy On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > Folks, > > Quite a few us will be in Dallas in any case. If there is interest I woul= d > love to have our side DetNet meeting during the week. Given the week is > hectic for some of us, coming up with the time & date already now would b= e > ace. I can arrange us a place to meet.. > > - Jouni > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Norman Finn > > (nfinn) > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:22 AM > > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Pascal Thubert (pthubert); detnet@ietf.org > > Cc: 'Grossman, Ethan A.'; Rudy Klecka (rklecka); > > gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com; david.fuller@ni.com > > Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching > > > > We haven=E2=80=99t had enough activity to do the BOF in Dallas. > > > > In side conversations with a number of people, I=E2=80=99ve collected s= ome good > ideas > > that will clarify the situation greatly. I'll get out a relatively > concise architecture > > draft for comments, this week. We should be able, from that, to see > where the > > problem statement needs to go, and provide a framework for various > > requirements documents for different applications and for the DetNet > group as > > a whole. > > > > July for sure!!! > > > > =E2=80=94 Norm > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Adrian Farrel > > Reply-To: "adrian@olddog.co.uk" > > Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 09:28 AM > > To: Pascal Thubert , "detnet@ietf.org" > > > > Cc: "'Grossman, Ethan A.'" , "Rudy Klecka (rklecka)" > > , "gordon.bechtel@symphonyteleca.com" > > , "david.fuller@ni.com" > > > > Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching > > > > >> Do you think that asking for another BoF is excessive? > > > > > >Unless you're asking for it in Routing, this is a question between you > > >and your AD. > > > > > >It seems to me that you can run two approaches to taking work to the > > >community: > > >1. Discuss and debate before documenting 2. Document and use that to > > >drive discussion > > > > > >At this early stage, I would expect that there is a small core of > > >passionately interested people who could meet electronically and > > >produce some documents for the rest of the community to pick up and > > >work on. I would see that as a criterion for showing enough interest > > >for a WG-forming BoF. > > > > > >Suppose you have a second BoF and it fails. How will you persuade the > > >IESG to let you have a third BoF? So get all of your ducks lined up. > > > > > >Adrian > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > >detnet mailing list > > >detnet@ietf.org > > >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > > _______________________________________________ > > detnet mailing list > > detnet@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --001a11c241e29c34c6050ed0bd12 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I would very much enjoy meeting everyone F2F, but will not= be able to attend the Dallas sessions due to vacation.

= I will stay tuned to the mailing list.

Best,
Gordy

On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 7:26 PM, Jouni Korhonen = <jouni.= korhonen@broadcom.com> wrote:
Folks,

Quite a few us will be in Dallas in any case. If there is interest I would = love to have our side DetNet meeting during the week. Given the week is hec= tic for some of us, coming up with the time & date already now would be= ace. I can arrange us a place to meet..

- Jouni


> -----Original Message-----
> From: detnet [mailto:detnet= -bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Norman Finn
> (nfinn)
> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2015 9:22 AM
> To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; Pa= scal Thubert (pthubert); detnet@ietf.org=
> Cc: 'Grossman, Ethan A.'; Rudy Klecka (rklecka);
> gordon.bechtel@sy= mphonyteleca.com; david.fuller@n= i.com
> Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching
>
> We haven=E2=80=99t had enough activity to do the BOF in Dallas.
>
> In side conversations with a number of people, I=E2=80=99ve collected = some good ideas
> that will clarify the situation greatly.=C2=A0 I'll get out a rela= tively concise architecture
> draft for comments, this week.=C2=A0 We should be able, from that, to = see where the
> problem statement needs to go, and provide a framework for various
> requirements documents for different applications and for the DetNet g= roup as
> a whole.
>
> July for sure!!!
>
> =E2=80=94 Norm
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Adrian Farrel <adrian@= olddog.co.uk>
> Reply-To: "adrian@olddog.c= o.uk" <adrian@olddog.co.= uk>
> Date: Thursday, January 29, 2015 at 09:28 AM
> To: Pascal Thubert <pthubert@= cisco.com>, "detnet@ietf.org= "
> <detnet@ietf.org>
> Cc: "'Grossman, Ethan A.'" <eagros@dolby.com>, "Rudy Klecka (rklecka)"<= br> > <rklecka@cisco.com>, &q= uot;gordon.bechtel@sym= phonyteleca.com"
> <gordon.bechte= l@symphonyteleca.com>, "= david.fuller@ni.com"
> <david.fuller@ni.com>=
> Subject: Re: [Detnet] Deadlines are approaching
>
> >> Do you think that asking for another BoF is excessive?
> >
> >Unless you're asking for it in Routing, this is a question bet= ween you
> >and your AD.
> >
> >It seems to me that you can run two approaches to taking work to t= he
> >community:
> >1. Discuss and debate before documenting 2. Document and use that = to
> >drive discussion
> >
> >At this early stage, I would expect that there is a small core of<= br> > >passionately interested people who could meet electronically and > >produce some documents for the rest of the community to pick up an= d
> >work on. I would see that as a criterion for showing enough intere= st
> >for a WG-forming BoF.
> >
> >Suppose you have a second BoF and it fails. How will you persuade = the
> >IESG to let you have a third BoF? So get all of your ducks lined u= p.
> >
> >Adrian
> >
> >_______________________________________________
> >detnet mailing list
> >detnet@ietf.org
> >https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet
>
> _______________________________________________
> detnet mailing list
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--001a11c241e29c34c6050ed0bd12-- From nobody Mon Feb 23 01:54:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4C01A0439; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 01:54:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FPldwfBs5wCG; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 01:54:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-8.cisco.com (alln-iport-8.cisco.com [173.37.142.95]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3CE5E1A040C; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 01:54:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8992; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1424685247; x=1425894847; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=ePa/6HuMfS4GehLxt+wydobSsIAICgAiR60BTWa5xNw=; b=V2h/U7mW5Mo8jUpMqoEpslndArrpVPJpw37OmtZdi+ELjhfxvZmVd7H3 wzFTPjittJQnaHXG8FI5XjF3Bcoag4Z0PZmd1a7KBLXGEhPvBqGEpEcU2 tWCwREbaRThqaKE+xuStfENB5ktYk/HNZmwxdrW7X9xD/Xdr0ymE4yv5T Y=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 4831 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AbBgAe+OpU/5NdJa1bgwaBLATAaGmHNgKBIjgUAQEBAQEBAXyEEQEEHVwSARoQJjAUAw8BBA4FCAaIIdJiAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF49QMYMegRQFjWGBcYFfgS6GN4EagxWGSYR8gz4jg25vgUR/AQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,629,1418083200"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="125936639" Received: from rcdn-core-11.cisco.com ([173.37.93.147]) by alln-iport-8.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Feb 2015 09:54:04 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com [173.37.183.81]) by rcdn-core-11.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t1N9s4aw030255 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Feb 2015 09:54:04 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.159]) by xhc-rcd-x07.cisco.com ([173.37.183.81]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 03:54:04 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: IETF92- Request for 6TiSCH WG Agenda items Thread-Index: AdBPToAMR0mv2CjgTNaWojxUQcJ7AQ== Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 09:54:03 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 09:53:00 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.221.157] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_004B_01D04F56.E38A5560" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Adrian Farrel \(adrian@olddog.co.uk\)" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "Wang, Chonggang" Subject: [Detnet] IETF92- Request for 6TiSCH WG Agenda items X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 09:54:09 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_004B_01D04F56.E38A5560 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear All: For the next IETF in Dallas, we are going to have 2 6TiSCH sessions, one 90 minutes for unchartered work (including DetNet) and one 150 minutes for chartered work. Our goal is to split the sessions as follows: Day Time Room Topic Monday Afternoon Session II 1520-1650 CDT Continental DetNet, IoT PCE, Dynamic Scheduling, re-chartering Thursday Morning Session I 0900-1130 CDT Continental WG Docs, 6top, ETSI Plugtest, Security, more re-chartering On Monday, we'd wish to see discussions on: - DetNet: Gap analysis - need for IETF work, problem statement and architecture, requirement drafts - IoT PCE: Gap analysis vs. 6TiSCH needs, Barcelona workshop highlights, 6TiSCH requirements for PCE and TEAS. - Dynamic Scheduling: OTF draft status, local vs. distributed optimizations, chunk appropriation and fairness. - Rechartering: what of the above should be suggested as charter items. Call for intent to actually produce related work. On Thursday: - Last calls on TSCH and architecture drafts. - Minimal draft publication - Status on 6top related drafts, chartered and non-chartered - ETSI plugtest coverage. What's basic support and what's stretched - Security: Status of join process work. Suggestions for chartered work. Positioning vs. SEC area WGs. - More rechartering: summary of the Monday session. Same questions including the items above. We are now calling for the agenda items for both WG sessions. Please send your requests to 6tisch-chairs@tools.ietf.org and Chonggang Chonggang.Wang@InterDigital.com, and include the following information: . Name and link to your draft, paper, or web page. . A brief description of your presentation topic . Requested time (5 to 20 minutes) . Session (Monday vs. Thursday) We are going to evaluate the requests based on WG items, charters, WG interests and issues that require face-to-face resolution and allocate time as we see fit. Thanks for all! 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Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 11:10:43 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0127_01D04F61.911BE1D0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0128_01D04F61.911BE1D0" ------=_NextPart_001_0128_01D04F61.911BE1D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear all: Please keep in mind that it is a lot easier to get a slot on the agenda if you have a I-draft that got discussed on the ML. And that we have only 2 week before the cutoff. Cheers, Pascal ------=_NextPart_001_0128_01D04F61.911BE1D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear = all:

 

Please keep in mind that it is a lot easier to get a = slot on the agenda if you have a I-draft that got discussed on the = ML.

And that we have only 2 week = before the cutoff…

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

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latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:04:05 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_019B_01D04F71.56BA40D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all: With the agenda below, there will not be a dedicated DetNet meeting but = we will have 30+ minutes on gap analysis, and even more time on PCE. Please submit a request as indicated to get a slot in the agenda, either regarding PCE or the generic DetNet work. Cheers, Pascal -----Original Message----- From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal = Thubert (pthubert) Sent: lundi 23 f=E9vrier 2015 10:54 To: 6tisch@ietf.org Cc: Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk); detnet@ietf.org; Wang, = Chonggang Subject: [Detnet] IETF92- Request for 6TiSCH WG Agenda items Dear All: For the next IETF in Dallas, we are going to have 2 6TiSCH sessions, one = 90 minutes for unchartered work (including DetNet) and one 150 minutes for chartered work. Our goal is to split the sessions as follows: Day Time Room Topic Monday Afternoon Session II 1520-1650 CDT Continental DetNet, IoT PCE, Dynamic Scheduling, re-chartering Thursday Morning Session I 0900-1130 CDT Continental WG Docs, 6top, ETSI Plugtest, Security, more re-chartering On Monday, we'd wish to see discussions on: - DetNet: Gap analysis - need for IETF work, problem statement and architecture, requirement drafts - IoT PCE: Gap analysis vs. 6TiSCH needs, Barcelona workshop highlights, 6TiSCH requirements for PCE and TEAS. - Dynamic Scheduling: OTF draft status, local vs. distributed = optimizations, chunk appropriation and fairness.=20 - Rechartering: what of the above should be suggested as charter items. = Call for intent to actually produce related work. On Thursday: - Last calls on TSCH and architecture drafts.=20 - Minimal draft publication - Status on 6top related drafts, chartered and non-chartered - ETSI plugtest coverage. What's basic support and what's stretched - Security: Status of join process work. Suggestions for chartered work. Positioning vs. SEC area WGs. - More rechartering: summary of the Monday session. Same questions = including the items above. We are now calling for the agenda items for both WG sessions. Please send your requests to 6tisch-chairs@tools.ietf.org and Chonggang Chonggang.Wang@InterDigital.com, and include the following information: . Name and link to your draft, paper, or web page. . A brief description of your presentation topic . Requested time (5 to 20 minutes)=20 . Session (Monday vs. Thursday) We are going to evaluate the requests based on WG items, charters, WG interests and issues that require face-to-face resolution and allocate = time as we see fit. Thanks for all! 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+0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C9A0A62@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.47] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Meeting at IETF92 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 13:29:21 -0000 Hi, Clarification question: what is the scope of the Detnet gap analysis slot i= n the 6tisch agenda? Are we talking about specific detnet requirements in t= he 6tisch context?=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert > (pthubert) > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:04 PM > To: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: [Detnet] Meeting at IETF92 >=20 > Dear all: >=20 > With the agenda below, there will not be a dedicated DetNet meeting but > we will have 30+ minutes on gap analysis, and even more time on PCE. > Please submit a request as indicated to get a slot in the agenda, either > regarding PCE or the generic DetNet work. >=20 > Cheers, >=20 > Pascal >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert > (pthubert) > Sent: lundi 23 f=E9vrier 2015 10:54 > To: 6tisch@ietf.org > Cc: Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk); detnet@ietf.org; Wang, Chonggang > Subject: [Detnet] IETF92- Request for 6TiSCH WG Agenda items >=20 > Dear All: >=20 > For the next IETF in Dallas, we are going to have 2 6TiSCH sessions, one = 90 > minutes for unchartered work (including DetNet) and one 150 minutes for > chartered work. > Our goal is to split the sessions as follows: >=20 > Day Time Room Topic > Monday Afternoon Session II 1520-1650 CDT Continental DetNet, IoT > PCE, Dynamic Scheduling, re-chartering > Thursday Morning Session I 0900-1130 CDT Continental WG Docs, > 6top, ETSI Plugtest, Security, more re-chartering >=20 > On Monday, we'd wish to see discussions on: > - DetNet: Gap analysis - need for IETF work, problem statement and > architecture, requirement drafts > - IoT PCE: Gap analysis vs. 6TiSCH needs, Barcelona workshop highlights, > 6TiSCH requirements for PCE and TEAS. > - Dynamic Scheduling: OTF draft status, local vs. distributed optimizatio= ns, > chunk appropriation and fairness. > - Rechartering: what of the above should be suggested as charter items. C= all > for intent to actually produce related work. >=20 > On Thursday: > - Last calls on TSCH and architecture drafts. > - Minimal draft publication > - Status on 6top related drafts, chartered and non-chartered > - ETSI plugtest coverage. What's basic support and what's stretched > - Security: Status of join process work. Suggestions for chartered work. > Positioning vs. SEC area WGs. > - More rechartering: summary of the Monday session. Same questions > including the items above. >=20 > We are now calling for the agenda items for both WG sessions. > Please send your requests to 6tisch-chairs@tools.ietf.org and Chonggang > Chonggang.Wang@InterDigital.com, and include the following information: > . Name and link to your draft, paper, or web page. > . A brief description of your presentation topic > . Requested time (5 to 20 minutes) > . Session (Monday vs. Thursday) >=20 > We are going to evaluate the requests based on WG items, charters, WG > interests and issues that require face-to-face resolution and allocate ti= me as > we see fit. >=20 > Thanks for all! >=20 > Thomas and Pascal From nobody Mon Feb 23 06:36:23 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DFB11A1AC6 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 06:36:21 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n5zRGiTxN8Kt for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 06:36:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-5.cisco.com (alln-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.142.92]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE2971A1AA0 for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 06:36:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=11107; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1424702179; x=1425911779; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=9tpqsbd2M1qMeNrQrVfEwPe9pFE7dJTUws/UbtIm9xk=; b=DqryX8xC/BjUfd5qEsRxixfUelMtVMEKxcXa0clIA6/Q5sPx3vFQ8lbw EMZpsRyT/0/zNrXdSGvsqSbgLs2DrFUMl2ulzkhcW7b2U4jd+Gl8aY5xz KzTYlzQDpQ1GS00ZmdOG9Tetl/O3DaFnUR+N/V8EwgnxW5SJYTtYlkG1t Q=; X-Files: smime.p7s : 4831 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0COBQAsOutU/4wNJK1bgwaBLATAaYgaAoEgQwEBAQEBAXyEDwEBAQQdaAQCAQgRAQMBAQsdBwIwFAMGCAEBBAESCAaIIdJ/AQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBF4sThD04BoMRgRQFihyFNoFfgS6GN4EagxWLRYM+IoNub4FEfwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.09,631,1418083200"; d="p7s'?scan'208";a="126076907" Received: from alln-core-7.cisco.com ([173.36.13.140]) by alln-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP; 23 Feb 2015 14:36:18 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com [173.36.12.82]) by alln-core-7.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t1NEaIpo002938 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:36:18 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.159]) by xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com ([173.36.12.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Mon, 23 Feb 2015 08:36:18 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Meeting at IETF92 Thread-Index: AdBPaPQ3lslY++YISN6VfZink9kP0AAAswtgAAJuEIA= Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:36:18 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 14:36:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C9A0A62@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5C9A0A62@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.61.221.157] Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=SHA1; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0277_01D04F7E.4AE7E750" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Meeting at IETF92 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." 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Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) [mailto:dromasca@avaya.com] > Sent: lundi 23 f=E9vrier 2015 14:29 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); detnet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: Meeting at IETF92 >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Clarification question: what is the scope of the Detnet gap analysis = slot in the > 6tisch agenda? Are we talking about specific detnet requirements in = the 6tisch > context? >=20 > Thanks and Regards, >=20 > Dan >=20 >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal > > Thubert > > (pthubert) > > Sent: Monday, February 23, 2015 3:04 PM > > To: detnet@ietf.org > > Subject: [Detnet] Meeting at IETF92 > > > > Dear all: > > > > With the agenda below, there will not be a dedicated DetNet meeting > > but we will have 30+ minutes on gap analysis, and even more time on = PCE. > > Please submit a request as indicated to get a slot in the agenda, > > either regarding PCE or the generic DetNet work. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal > > Thubert > > (pthubert) > > Sent: lundi 23 f=E9vrier 2015 10:54 > > To: 6tisch@ietf.org > > Cc: Adrian Farrel (adrian@olddog.co.uk); detnet@ietf.org; Wang, > > Chonggang > > Subject: [Detnet] IETF92- Request for 6TiSCH WG Agenda items > > > > Dear All: > > > > For the next IETF in Dallas, we are going to have 2 6TiSCH sessions, > > one 90 minutes for unchartered work (including DetNet) and one 150 > > minutes for chartered work. > > Our goal is to split the sessions as follows: > > > > Day Time Room Topic > > Monday Afternoon Session II 1520-1650 CDT Continental DetNet, IoT > > PCE, Dynamic Scheduling, re-chartering > > Thursday Morning Session I 0900-1130 CDT Continental WG Docs, > > 6top, ETSI Plugtest, Security, more re-chartering > > > > On Monday, we'd wish to see discussions on: > > - DetNet: Gap analysis - need for IETF work, problem statement and > > architecture, requirement drafts > > - IoT PCE: Gap analysis vs. 6TiSCH needs, Barcelona workshop > > highlights, 6TiSCH requirements for PCE and TEAS. > > - Dynamic Scheduling: OTF draft status, local vs. distributed > > optimizations, chunk appropriation and fairness. > > - Rechartering: what of the above should be suggested as charter > > items. Call for intent to actually produce related work. > > > > On Thursday: > > - Last calls on TSCH and architecture drafts. > > - Minimal draft publication > > - Status on 6top related drafts, chartered and non-chartered > > - ETSI plugtest coverage. What's basic support and what's stretched > > - Security: Status of join process work. Suggestions for chartered = work. > > Positioning vs. SEC area WGs. > > - More rechartering: summary of the Monday session. Same questions > > including the items above. > > > > We are now calling for the agenda items for both WG sessions. > > Please send your requests to 6tisch-chairs@tools.ietf.org and > > Chonggang Chonggang.Wang@InterDigital.com, and include the following > information: > > . Name and link to your draft, paper, or web page. > > . A brief description of your presentation topic > > . Requested time (5 to 20 minutes) > > . 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13:25:42 -0800 (PST) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:25:42 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" To: detnet@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c380086992fa050fc80b16 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Gap analysis X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2015 21:25:49 -0000 --001a11c380086992fa050fc80b16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all, I=C2=B4m currently working on a Gap analysis for DetNet. I have some preliminary questions though: - Are we targetting specific applicability areas, such as Flow control systems and/or Real time control systems on standard industrial plants, mission-critical control systems? - I have gone through the presentations from the detnet BOF at IETF 91; I can deduce that we are targetting a broader view (as Pascal mentioned in a former mail) than 6TiSCH to cover a wider range of deterministic networks (wider than what is covered by 6TiSCH) which are not currently IP-enabled, including in-vehicle networks, utility control long-range networks and general purpose monitoring networks. Here I think about the reverse of what I have observed on recent commercial adaptations (Profibus, ModBus over IP). - I can also think that the main gaps are on the *scheduling management side (as 6TiSCH does) *network management of timers, queue schedulers and buffers *anything else? Thank you. Diego Dujovne --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunic= aciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 --001a11c380086992fa050fc80b16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all,
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DetNet. I have some preliminary questions though:

<= div>- Are we targetting specific applicability areas, such
as Flow contr= ol systems and/or Real time control
systems on standard industrial plan= ts, mission-critical
control systems?
- I have = gone through the presentations from the detnet
BOF at IETF 91; I can de= duce that we are targetting
a broader view (as Pascal mentio= ned in a former mail)
than 6TiSCH to cover a wider range of d= eterministic
networks (wider than what is covered by 6TiSCH)
which = are not currently IP-enabled, including in-vehicle
networks, = utility control long-range networks and
general purpose moni= toring networks. Here I think
about the reverse of what I hav= e observed on recent
commercial adaptations (Profibus, ModBus= over IP).
- I can also think that the main gaps are on the
*scheduling management side (as 6TiSCH does)
*ne= twork management of timers, queue schedulers and
buffers
<= /div>
*anything else?

Thank you.

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2015 09:40:15 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_04C1_01D0501E.3B8AFDB0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_04C2_01D0501E.3B8AFDB0" ------=_NextPart_001_04C2_01D0501E.3B8AFDB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Diego: =20 I think that you can start with the well-understood 6TiSCH gap = (industrial process control) and expand from there to others such as AVB = and vehicule, with the aid of the group. Please see below: Dear all, I=C2=B4m currently working on a Gap analysis for DetNet. I have some preliminary questions though: Fantastic! =20 - Are we targetting specific applicability areas, such as Flow control systems and/or Real time control=20 systems on standard industrial plants, mission-critical control systems? =20 This is certainly in scope and we can start there. =20 - I have gone through the presentations from the detnet=20 BOF at IETF 91; I can deduce that we are targetting=20 a broader view (as Pascal mentioned in a former mail) than 6TiSCH to cover a wider range of deterministic=20 networks (wider than what is covered by 6TiSCH)=20 =20 - Yes but still 6tiSCH is a good start, mostly if you are presenting at = a 6TiSCH session.=20 The IETF will not be conformable if layer2 operations are discussed too = much, since this is beyond our scope. It is really up to cross = participation (which we do have) to ensure that the concepts that we = manipulate are compatible with what IEEE is and will be doing. - 6TiSCH needs to install tracks with all the Deterministic = capabilities, scheduled transmissions, path and packet redundancy, = etc=E2=80=A6 which means PCE/SDN operations - And then we have identified the need to reuse opportunistically track = slots to forward IPv6 packets and Link bundle slots to forward scheduled = packets that missed their track, which means that IP has a role to play = in the DetNet world. Certainly what you=E2=80=99ll obtain applies to a larger world than = 6TiSCH, but you=E2=80=99ll find in 6TiSCH most of the gap that DetNet in = general will have. =20 which are not currently IP-enabled, including in-vehicle networks, utility control long-range networks and=20 general purpose monitoring networks. Here I think about the reverse of what I have observed on recent commercial adaptations (Profibus, ModBus over IP). =20 The way we designed today, 6TiSCH tracks can carry any 802.15.4 packet, = but will not allow opportunistic operations for non IP packets. In general, if we tag Deterministic payload with MPLS and some variation = of PRP, we can carry anything, and I think we should aim at that. =20 - I can also think that the main gaps are on the *scheduling management side (as 6TiSCH does) *network management of timers, queue schedulers and buffers *anything else? =20 We need to decide if we want to work on the northbound interface. If we = do, we need some abstraction of the TSPEC, and we need to describe the = push model where the user agent / app requires a service implementing = that TSPEC from the PCE (and then the PCE pushes the tracks onto the = network over the southbound interface) =20 We certainly need to work on the southbound interface,=20 - what adaptation of TEAS will carry the topology (neighbors, link = quality, interference test..) as well as the capability (buffers, = queues, timers) as seen by individual devices. - what adaptation of CCAMP/RSVP-TE can be used to program individual = tracks - what adaptation of PCEP can be used to push a device schedule (PCE is = currently not chartered to push things to individual nodes) =20 We need to formalize how a packet is identified as pertaining a certain = track (I=E2=80=99d rather not use flow, the word is just too = overloaded). Use of DiffServ/DSCP and of MPLS have to be evaluated, = including G-MPLS for 6TiSCH. Whether NVO3 and SFC may apply also has to be evaluated, and there is no = PRP that I know of at the IETF, so this is probably to be done entirely = by DetNet. 6TiSCH adds the notion of Generalized for both flow tagging and PRP. The = flow (the track) can be determined from the timeslot in a G-MPLS = fashion, and the PRP sequence number can be determined from the ASN. =20 And then we need to decide if we want an LMI (a UNI) between the first = network device and the end point to indicate availability and other = state information of a track. =20 Thank you. =20 Thank You! Diego Dujovne --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y = Telecomunicaciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 ------=_NextPart_001_04C2_01D0501E.3B8AFDB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Diego:

 

I think that you can start with the well-understood 6TiSCH gap = (industrial process control) and expand from there to others such as AVB = and vehicule, with the aid of the group.

Please see below:

Dear = all,

       =     I=C2=B4m currently working on a Gap analysis = for
DetNet. I have some preliminary questions = though:

Fantastic!

 

- Are we targetting = specific applicability areas, such
as Flow control systems and/or = Real time control
systems on standard industrial plants, = mission-critical

control = systems?

 

This is certainly in scope and we can start = there.

 

- I have = gone through the presentations from the detnet
BOF at IETF 91; I can = deduce that we are targetting

a broader view (as Pascal mentioned in a former = mail)

than 6TiSCH to cover = a wider range of deterministic
networks (wider than what is covered = by 6TiSCH)

 

- Yes but still 6tiSCH is a good start, mostly if you are presenting = at a 6TiSCH session.

The IETF will not be conformable if layer2 operations are discussed = too much, since this is beyond our scope. It is really up to cross = participation (which we do have) to ensure that the concepts that we = manipulate are compatible with what IEEE is and will be = doing.

- 6TiSCH needs to install tracks with all the Deterministic = capabilities, scheduled transmissions, path and packet redundancy, = etc=E2=80=A6 which means PCE/SDN operations

- And then we have identified the need to reuse opportunistically = track slots to forward IPv6 packets and Link bundle slots to forward = scheduled packets that missed their track, which means that IP has a = role to play in the DetNet world.

Certainly what you=E2=80=99ll obtain applies to a larger world than = 6TiSCH, but you=E2=80=99ll find in 6TiSCH most of the gap that DetNet in = general will have.

 


which are not = currently IP-enabled, including in-vehicle

networks, utility control long-range networks and =

general purpose = monitoring networks. Here I think

about the reverse of what I have observed on = recent

commercial = adaptations (Profibus, ModBus over IP).

 

The way we designed today, 6TiSCH tracks can carry any 802.15.4 = packet, but will not allow opportunistic operations for non IP = packets.

In general, if we tag Deterministic payload with MPLS and some = variation of PRP, we can carry anything, and I think we should aim at = that.

 

- I can = also think that the main gaps are on the

*scheduling management side (as 6TiSCH = does)

*network management = of timers, queue schedulers and

buffers

*anything else?

 

We need to decide if we want to work on the northbound interface. If = we do, we need some abstraction of the TSPEC, and we need to describe = the push model where the user agent / app requires a service = implementing that TSPEC from the PCE (and then the PCE pushes the tracks = onto the network over the southbound interface)

 

We certainly need to work on the southbound interface, =

- what adaptation of TEAS will carry the topology (neighbors, link = quality, interference test..) as well as the capability (buffers, = queues, timers) as seen by individual devices.

- what adaptation of CCAMP/RSVP-TE can be used to program individual = tracks

- what adaptation of PCEP can be used to push a device schedule (PCE = is currently not chartered to push things to individual = nodes)

 

We need to formalize how a packet is identified as pertaining a = certain track (I=E2=80=99d rather not use flow, the word is just too = overloaded). Use of DiffServ/DSCP and of MPLS have to be evaluated, = including G-MPLS for 6TiSCH.

Whether NVO3 and SFC may apply also has to be evaluated, and there is = no PRP that I know of at the IETF, so this is probably to be done = entirely by DetNet.

6TiSCH adds the notion of Generalized for both flow tagging and PRP. = The flow (the track) can be determined from the timeslot in a G-MPLS = fashion, and the PRP sequence number can be determined from the = ASN.

 

And then we need to decide if we want an LMI (a UNI) between the = first network device and the end point to indicate availability and = other state information of a track.

 

Thank you.

 

Thank You!

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