From nobody Tue Jun 2 09:18:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27D971B2EA7 for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 09:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fesyU0i_fxtO for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 09:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-2.cisco.com (alln-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.142.89]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CE6101B2A9C for ; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 09:18:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1627; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433261906; x=1434471506; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=v9fHoaJ1UVjlQYA75tyDr9kucrrYUYMHiF7O0UbgZdU=; b=L+oqDHaGIssNzU5+C+7LpdBDzUQPcvULz8X3Guec80kmvn0ZTVNr9bTy fvzxXzc+XZxT2cPLRMBU1Y5RwoXPWNfNF/hDVvR6ZYWKmmfc7NzIVrpEG Gts7B4K9mW5e3zWkvlVK0Dc0OO6/AA100B+geVTGOZzMOIyKduIfm4GbJ o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0D0CQDG1m1V/4QNJK1bgxBUXga9fmYJgVAKhS1KAoE+OBQBAQEBAQEBgQpBA4NeAQEBBAEBATc0CwwEAgEIEQQBAQsUCQcnCxQJCAEBBA4FCBOIEg3aMQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARMEi0OEVTENgxGBFgWTEIQ2hmGBKoZyjxsjg3hvgUaBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,540,1427760000"; d="scan'208";a="155571394" Received: from alln-core-10.cisco.com ([173.36.13.132]) by alln-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP; 02 Jun 2015 16:18:26 +0000 Received: from xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com (xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com [173.36.12.82]) by alln-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t52GIQSB027140 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Tue, 2 Jun 2015 16:18:26 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.61]) by xhc-aln-x08.cisco.com ([173.36.12.82]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Tue, 2 Jun 2015 11:18:25 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "Jouni Korhonen (jouni.korhonen@broadcom.com)" Thread-Topic: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt Thread-Index: AdCZfIh7U15tnwXcStGt4weriy5sSgDCJrGAADGBiUA= Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 16:18:23 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 2 Jun 2015 16:18:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D052C3489@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.49.80.27] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2015 16:18:33 -0000 Hello Jouni: Thanks a bunch for posting this! I read the need of time sync is pervasive. But do you have cases where rep= lication and elimination would be of use?=20 I see a requirement of 10^-9 but then that one is over one hop? Typo left P4: architecural=20 All the best, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen > Sent: jeudi 28 mai 2015 21:30 > To: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: [Detnet] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt >=20 > FYI.. a slightly different view to DetNet. >=20 > Title : Deterministic networking for radio access netwo= rks > Author : Jouni Korhonen > Filename : draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt > Pages : 11 > Date : 2015-05-28 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes requirements for deterministic networking in > cellular radio access and transport networks context. The > requirements include time synchronization, clock distribution and > ways of establishing time-sensitive streams for both Layer-2 and > Layer-3 user plane traffic using IETF protocol solutions. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq/ >=20 > There's also a htmlized version available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Wed Jun 3 10:17:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3E611ACD3D for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:17:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NH36Up0tT5RR for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-6.cisco.com (alln-iport-6.cisco.com [173.37.142.93]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2BC8A1ACD36 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 10:17:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=11612; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433351823; x=1434561423; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version; bh=jo11iY+BIBy1wVsZNomc1kqmwVK7Bsgmkw+WB8rC8qk=; b=d1DY/55s4BHgFhtleggQGjx3lAGbR2pDOspGuSMb96k151KmDOtfvALO U+ZPp5o0mwlxuMM/ZwNtdiuIpsqqwF5NuoFqJ24ucHBu80eSKJGagxdQh thY5cQsiiupaDscaREhGjbeboJQm/EDD2KQ7tGafDvZ5ItijwOFxupQAo c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AxBQArNm9V/4sNJK1bgkVLVF4BBb1sPCoJgVqFdwKBQjgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCQBBC1FGQEaEFYXDwEEG4glDad9s0kBAQEBAQUBAQEBAQEBG5AYg0+BFgWTFIQ5hmeBa5VYERODeHCBRYEBAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,548,1427760000"; d="scan'208,217";a="156121040" Received: from alln-core-6.cisco.com ([173.36.13.139]) by alln-iport-6.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2015 17:17:02 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com [173.37.183.89]) by alln-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t53HH2gj023361 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:17:02 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.61]) by xhc-rcd-x15.cisco.com ([173.37.183.89]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 12:17:02 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: BoF request and Proposed Charter Thread-Index: AdCeIQW/m5kuf5QKTSuMbcveSBaAbw== Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:17:01 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Wed, 3 Jun 2015 17:17:00 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.49.80.27] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD849E856FFxmbrcdx01ciscoc_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] BoF request and Proposed Charter X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 03 Jun 2015 17:17:04 -0000 --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD849E856FFxmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear all : We have now published the request for a DetNet WG forming BoF: http://trac.= tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart It is associated with our draft charter: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/tra= c/wiki/DetNet The proposed agenda as it stands for now is as follows: * DetNet PS: draft-fin= n-detnet-problem-statement 15mn * Charter work (online editing) * Relation with other WGs (6TiSCH, PCE, TEAS, CCAMP...) 20mn * WG deliverable RFCs and timescale 15mn * WG sustaining documents (reqs and problem statement) 10mn * Sustaining documents * Smartgrid: draft-wetterwald-detnet-utilities-reqs 10mn * pro-audio: draft-gunther-detnet-proaudio-req 10mn * RAN: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq 10mn * 6TiSCH: 10mn * architecture: draft-finn-detnet-architecture 20mn As always, comments are welcome! Cheers, Pascal --_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD849E856FFxmbrcdx01ciscoc_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all :

 

We have now published the request for a DetNet WG fo= rming BoF: http://trac.= tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/WikiStart

It is associated with our draft charter: http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/DetNet

 

The proposed agenda as it stands for now is as follo= ws:

--_000_E045AECD98228444A58C61C200AE1BD849E856FFxmbrcdx01ciscoc_-- From nobody Wed Jun 3 18:40:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C7E31B3153 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2oYjfhL1QmVj for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 973F91B3151 for ; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:40:25 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,549,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="66383863" Received: from irvexchcas08.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS08.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.57]) by mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 03 Jun 2015 18:51:51 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.14) by IRVEXCHCAS08.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:40:25 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 3 Jun 2015 18:40:24 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Thread-Topic: Fwd: I-D Action: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt Thread-Index: AdCeZ2u63ndcVrzWQ4qAn5MEp/nYWg== Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 01:40:24 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D052CB382@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 01:40:27 -0000 Pascal, Thank you for reading the document. See my comments inline. > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert > (pthubert) > Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 9:18 AM > To: Jouni Korhonen > Cc: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Detnet] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.tx= t >=20 > Hello Jouni: >=20 > Thanks a bunch for posting this! >=20 > I read the need of time sync is pervasive. But do you have cases where > replication and elimination would be of use? The issue with replication really is the traffic volume - you do not want t= o double your pain you are already having today. If future developments on = the radio bring the traffic volumes to sane numbers replication could be us= eful, since there is no really room for retransmissions or forward error co= ding schemes that require interleaving. > I see a requirement of 10^-9 but then that one is over one hop? That is over one hop. > Typo left P4: architecural ACK. Will fix. - Jouni >=20 > All the best, >=20 > Pascal >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhon= en > > Sent: jeudi 28 mai 2015 21:30 > > To: detnet@ietf.org > > Subject: [Detnet] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt > > > > FYI.. a slightly different view to DetNet. > > > > Title : Deterministic networking for radio access net= works > > Author : Jouni Korhonen > > Filename : draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00.txt > > Pages : 11 > > Date : 2015-05-28 > > > > Abstract: > > This document describes requirements for deterministic networking in > > cellular radio access and transport networks context. The > > requirements include time synchronization, clock distribution and > > ways of establishing time-sensitive streams for both Layer-2 and > > Layer-3 user plane traffic using IETF protocol solutions. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq/ > > > > There's also a htmlized version available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-korhonen-detnet-telreq-00 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > detnet mailing list > > detnet@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Thu Jun 4 09:02:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B9A1A8ADA; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 09:02:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MUhlJl7-NDle; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 09:02:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 61AC71A0023; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 09:02:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2414; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1433433738; x=1434643338; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=5quPAqWt13tXtBPNEmIVqD1d3Qe+fx/TCSfUH2F9a0c=; b=eck0IZcXDGL/aHlY1zkd/EwZEdNaPnwhYInU+/eDPq+mctUo+JR54dkI l35aH+zw0kGd8A1lRB9ucFdy5Xn+SrKnzKSHgfBRU3s0FqlRAr0K5OFHQ 04f6a1x3nCIKi6B/Ph4mCXk8gZO1m3rlvwiJVK0igY2RGg2T262shtF0e M=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CsBAAqdXBV/5RdJa1bgxBUXgaDGLpBZgmBXIV1AhyBHDgUAQEBAQEBAYEKhCIBAQEEIxFDAgwEAgEIEQEDAQEDAgYdAwICAjAUAQIEAQEFAwIEDgUIiCUNt1qjagEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAReBIYoihFUxBwaCYi+BFgEEi1yHPoQ8hmmBLj6DN5IsJIN3bwGBRYEBAQEB X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,553,1427760000"; d="scan'208";a="156421483" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 04 Jun 2015 16:02:17 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com [173.37.183.79]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t54G2HGr013722 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Jun 2015 16:02:17 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.61]) by xhc-rcd-x05.cisco.com ([173.37.183.79]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 4 Jun 2015 11:02:17 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "6tisch@ietf.org" <6tisch@ietf.org> Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-thubert-6tisch-4detnet-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHQnt87cu8CF3Qk/EuIhPLeuB1Bb52cgUKg Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 16:02:16 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 16:02:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20150604155751.23191.483.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20150604155751.23191.483.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.49.80.27] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for draft-thubert-6tisch-4detnet-00.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Jun 2015 16:02:19 -0000 RGVhciBhbGw6DQoNCkkgcHJlcGFyZWQgdGhpcyBiYXNlZCBvbiBBcmNoaWUtMSB0byBzdXBwb3J0 IDZUaVNDSCBuZWVkcyBhdCBEZXROZXQuDQpJdCBpcyBvbmx5IGEgMDAgYW5kIEknbGwgZW5yaWNo IGl0IHNvb24uIFN0aWxsIEkgdGhvdWdodCByZWxldmFudCB0byBzaGFyZSB0aGUgZWFybHkgd29y ay4NCg0KV2hhdCBkbyB5b3UgYWxsIHRoaW5rPw0KDQpQYXNjYWwNCg0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFs IE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQ0KRnJvbTogaW50ZXJuZXQtZHJhZnRzQGlldGYub3JnIFttYWlsdG86aW50 ZXJuZXQtZHJhZnRzQGlldGYub3JnXSANClNlbnQ6IGpldWRpIDQganVpbiAyMDE1IDE3OjU4DQpU bzogUGFzY2FsIFRodWJlcnQgKHB0aHViZXJ0KTsgUGFzY2FsIFRodWJlcnQgKHB0aHViZXJ0KQ0K U3ViamVjdDogTmV3IFZlcnNpb24gTm90aWZpY2F0aW9uIGZvciBkcmFmdC10aHViZXJ0LTZ0aXNj aC00ZGV0bmV0LTAwLnR4dA0KDQoNCkEgbmV3IHZlcnNpb24gb2YgSS1ELCBkcmFmdC10aHViZXJ0 LTZ0aXNjaC00ZGV0bmV0LTAwLnR4dA0KaGFzIGJlZW4gc3VjY2Vzc2Z1bGx5IHN1Ym1pdHRlZCBi eSBQYXNjYWwgVGh1YmVydCBhbmQgcG9zdGVkIHRvIHRoZSBJRVRGIHJlcG9zaXRvcnkuDQoNCk5h bWU6CQlkcmFmdC10aHViZXJ0LTZ0aXNjaC00ZGV0bmV0DQpSZXZpc2lvbjoJMDANClRpdGxlOgkJ NlRpU0NIIHJlcXVpcmVtZW50cyBmb3IgRGV0TmV0DQpEb2N1bWVudCBkYXRlOgkyMDE1LTA2LTA0 DQpHcm91cDoJCUluZGl2aWR1YWwgU3VibWlzc2lvbg0KUGFnZXM6CQkxOQ0KVVJMOiAgICAgICAg ICAgIGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL2ludGVybmV0LWRyYWZ0cy9kcmFmdC10aHViZXJ0LTZ0 aXNjaC00ZGV0bmV0LTAwLnR4dA0KU3RhdHVzOiAgICAgICAgIGh0dHBzOi8vZGF0YXRyYWNrZXIu aWV0Zi5vcmcvZG9jL2RyYWZ0LXRodWJlcnQtNnRpc2NoLTRkZXRuZXQvDQpIdG1saXplZDogICAg ICAgaHR0cHM6Ly90b29scy5pZXRmLm9yZy9odG1sL2RyYWZ0LXRodWJlcnQtNnRpc2NoLTRkZXRu ZXQtMDANCg0KDQpBYnN0cmFjdDoNCiAgIFRoaXMgZG9jdW1lbnQgYnVpbGRzIG9uIHRoZSA2VGlT Q0ggYXJjaGl0ZWN0dXJlIHRoYXQgZGVmaW5lcywgYW1vbmcNCiAgIG90aGVycywgbWVjaGFuaXNt cyB0byBlc3RhYmxpc2ggYW5kIG1haW50YWluIGRldGVybWluaXN0aWMgcm91dGluZw0KICAgYW5k IHNjaGVkdWxpbmcgaW4gYSBjZW50cmFsaXplZCBmYXNoaW9uLiAgVGhlIGRvY3VtZW50IGRldGFp bHMNCiAgIGRlcGVuZGVuY2llcyBvbiBEZXROZXQgYW5kIFBDRSBjb250cm9sbGVyIHRvIGV4cHJl c3MgdG9wb2xvZ2llcyBhbmQNCiAgIGNhcGFiaWxpdGllcywgYXMgd2VsbCBhcyBhYnN0cmFjdCBz dGF0ZSB0aGF0IHRoZSBjb250cm9sbGVyIG11c3QgYmUNCiAgIGFibGUgdG8gcHJvZ3JhbSBpbnRv IHRoZSBuZXR3b3JrIGRldmljZXMgdG8gZW5hYmxlIGRldGVybWluaXN0aWMNCiAgIGZvcndhcmRp bmcgb3BlcmF0aW9ucy4NCg0KDQogICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgDQoNCg0KUGxlYXNl IG5vdGUgdGhhdCBpdCBtYXkgdGFrZSBhIGNvdXBsZSBvZiBtaW51dGVzIGZyb20gdGhlIHRpbWUg b2Ygc3VibWlzc2lvbiB1bnRpbCB0aGUgaHRtbGl6ZWQgdmVyc2lvbiBhbmQgZGlmZiBhcmUgYXZh aWxhYmxlIGF0IHRvb2xzLmlldGYub3JnLg0KDQpUaGUgSUVURiBTZWNyZXRhcmlhdA0KDQo= From nobody Mon Jun 8 10:17:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 629E91AC3D4 for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 10:17:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.51 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.51 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FOQqu5Chc9ld for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7096E1B30FB for ; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 10:17:31 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,574,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="66695938" Received: from irvexchcas08.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS08.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.57]) by mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 08 Jun 2015 10:29:22 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS04.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.10) by IRVEXCHCAS08.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.57) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 10:17:30 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS04.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 8 Jun 2015 10:17:30 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "detnet@ietf.org" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert) (pthubert@cisco.com)" Thread-Topic: DetNet BoF agenda Thread-Index: AdCiDv7AcaKNRPF3QU2uoq6L2ZX2rQ== Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2015 17:17:30 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D052D1DAE@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] DetNet BoF agenda X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2015 17:17:32 -0000 Pascal, Sorry for being mute for a while. I checked the preliminary agenda for the = BoF from the wiki and got a couple of quick comments. I would move architec= ture document before any other sustaining I-Ds and maybe even the charter w= ork. The agenda is also very packed. Do you think we have enough time for overal= l discussion during the "online editing" part? I also think we need some 5 = minutes for the general chaos & administrative work at the beginning (like = steal that from the architecture prez). We might consider merging "sustaini= ng documents" into fewer presentations, maybe even into one (with a slide f= rom each pointing out the "why DetNet" message). Having 4 rapid prez with 4= presenters might not be a good idea. - Jouni --=20 Jouni Korhonen, CTO Office, Networking, Broadcom Corporation O: +1-408-922-8135, M: +1-408-391-7160 From nobody Thu Jun 11 07:50:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 194361B29E9 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:50:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bSVgQ7HrXviD for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com [173.37.86.78]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AA7401AD0AD for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 07:50:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=2574; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1434034209; x=1435243809; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id: content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=05TmN5CcykhXMg7eq4Oh2jRnF58o/qEmAARVvqjelnU=; b=feSrw3/3x1KHWQOf2b5/i4LULayDy1WJu6E5Hf21NylRUrrrEIYKF951 NqgLvjo2+10Hc7XX09oIb88CGPT5nf+OAGyPUGCyk6CiVxqKHG07P3JED NjIsZO4DEyCi5olFUxi4VV46fUFFoXRRIBgYtxGFUJfl3sZOh82m/9Dn+ o=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0CxBAD6nnlV/5RdJa1cgxBUXwaDGLlVZgmBY4V4AhyBIDgUAQEBAQEBAX8LhCIBAQEBAyMRQw4GAQgRBAEBAwIGHQMCBDAUAQYBAQUEAQQTCIgnDZ95j1+kOAEBAQEBAQEBAgEBAQEBAQEBAQEYgSGKIoRVPoJiL4EWBYt3h1uER4ZygS9Ag0CSUSSDeG8BgUWBAQEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,595,1427760000"; d="scan'208";a="774782" Received: from rcdn-core-12.cisco.com ([173.37.93.148]) by rcdn-iport-7.cisco.com with ESMTP; 11 Jun 2015 14:50:08 +0000 Received: from xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com (xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com [173.37.183.76]) by rcdn-core-12.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id t5BEo80q028749 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:50:08 GMT Received: from xmb-rcd-x01.cisco.com ([169.254.1.61]) by xhc-rcd-x02.cisco.com ([173.37.183.76]) with mapi id 14.03.0195.001; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 09:50:08 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-finn-detnet-problem-statement-03.txt Thread-Index: AdCkVeHKc1n0NQv0RkCd2D3JdZzfJA== Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:50:07 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:50:00 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.82.242.162] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for draft-finn-detnet-problem-statement-03.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 14:50:11 -0000 RGVhciBhbGwNCg0KUGxlYXNlIG5vdGUgdGhhdCB3ZSBqdXN0IHVwbG9hZGVkIDIgdXBkYXRlcyB0 byB0aGUgZGV0bmV0IHByb2JsZW0gc3RhdGVtZW50IGluIGEgcXVpY2sgc2VxdWVuY2UuIA0KVGhl IGxhdGVzdCBpcyBhdmFpbGFibGUgYXQgaHR0cHM6Ly90b29scy5pZXRmLm9yZy9odG1sL2RyYWZ0 LWZpbm4tZGV0bmV0LXByb2JsZW0tc3RhdGVtZW50LTAzIA0KQ29tbWVudHMgYXJlIHdlbGNvbWUu IFBsZWFzZSBub3RlIHRoYXQgdGhlIElFVEYgdG9vbHMgYWxsb3dzIHlvdSB0byBmb2xsb3cgdGhl IGRpZmZzIGZyb20gdmVyc2lvbiB0byB2ZXJzaW9uIGZvbGxvd2luZyBsaW5rcyBsaWtlIHRoaXM6 DQpodHRwczovL3Rvb2xzLmlldGYub3JnL3JmY2RpZmY/dXJsMj1kcmFmdC1maW5uLWRldG5ldC1w cm9ibGVtLXN0YXRlbWVudC0wMy50eHQgDQoNCkNoZWVycywNCg0KUGFzY2FsDQoNCi0tLS0tT3Jp Z2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0tLS0tDQpGcm9tOiBpbnRlcm5ldC1kcmFmdHNAaWV0Zi5vcmcgW21haWx0 bzppbnRlcm5ldC1kcmFmdHNAaWV0Zi5vcmddIA0KU2VudDogamV1ZGkgMTEganVpbiAyMDE1IDA3 OjIxDQpUbzogTm9ybWFuIEZpbm4gKG5maW5uKTsgUGFzY2FsIFRodWJlcnQgKHB0aHViZXJ0KTsg UGFzY2FsIFRodWJlcnQgKHB0aHViZXJ0KTsgTm9ybWFuIEZpbm4gKG5maW5uKQ0KU3ViamVjdDog TmV3IFZlcnNpb24gTm90aWZpY2F0aW9uIGZvciBkcmFmdC1maW5uLWRldG5ldC1wcm9ibGVtLXN0 YXRlbWVudC0wMy50eHQNCg0KDQpBIG5ldyB2ZXJzaW9uIG9mIEktRCwgZHJhZnQtZmlubi1kZXRu ZXQtcHJvYmxlbS1zdGF0ZW1lbnQtMDMudHh0DQpoYXMgYmVlbiBzdWNjZXNzZnVsbHkgc3VibWl0 dGVkIGJ5IFBhc2NhbCBUaHViZXJ0IGFuZCBwb3N0ZWQgdG8gdGhlIElFVEYgcmVwb3NpdG9yeS4N Cg0KTmFtZToJCWRyYWZ0LWZpbm4tZGV0bmV0LXByb2JsZW0tc3RhdGVtZW50DQpSZXZpc2lvbjoJ MDMNClRpdGxlOgkJRGV0ZXJtaW5pc3RpYyBOZXR3b3JraW5nIFByb2JsZW0gU3RhdGVtZW50DQpE b2N1bWVudCBkYXRlOgkyMDE1LTA2LTExDQpHcm91cDoJCUluZGl2aWR1YWwgU3VibWlzc2lvbg0K UGFnZXM6CQkxNg0KVVJMOiAgICAgICAgICAgIGh0dHBzOi8vd3d3LmlldGYub3JnL2ludGVybmV0 LWRyYWZ0cy9kcmFmdC1maW5uLWRldG5ldC1wcm9ibGVtLXN0YXRlbWVudC0wMy50eHQNClN0YXR1 czogICAgICAgICBodHRwczovL2RhdGF0cmFja2VyLmlldGYub3JnL2RvYy9kcmFmdC1maW5uLWRl dG5ldC1wcm9ibGVtLXN0YXRlbWVudC8NCkh0bWxpemVkOiAgICAgICBodHRwczovL3Rvb2xzLmll dGYub3JnL2h0bWwvZHJhZnQtZmlubi1kZXRuZXQtcHJvYmxlbS1zdGF0ZW1lbnQtMDMNCkRpZmY6 ICAgICAgICAgICBodHRwczovL3d3dy5pZXRmLm9yZy9yZmNkaWZmP3VybDI9ZHJhZnQtZmlubi1k ZXRuZXQtcHJvYmxlbS1zdGF0ZW1lbnQtMDMNCg0KQWJzdHJhY3Q6DQogICBUaGlzIHBhcGVyIGRv Y3VtZW50cyB0aGUgbmVlZHMgaW4gdmFyaW91cyBpbmR1c3RyaWVzIHRvIGVzdGFibGlzaA0KICAg bXVsdGktaG9wIHBhdGhzIGZvciBjaGFyYWN0ZXJpemVkIGZsb3dzIHdpdGggZGV0ZXJtaW5pc3Rp YyBwcm9wZXJ0aWVzDQogICAuDQoNCiAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICANCg0KDQpQbGVh c2Ugbm90ZSB0aGF0IGl0IG1heSB0YWtlIGEgY291cGxlIG9mIG1pbnV0ZXMgZnJvbSB0aGUgdGlt ZSBvZiBzdWJtaXNzaW9uIHVudGlsIHRoZSBodG1saXplZCB2ZXJzaW9uIGFuZCBkaWZmIGFyZSBh dmFpbGFibGUgYXQgdG9vbHMuaWV0Zi5vcmcuDQoNClRoZSBJRVRGIFNlY3JldGFyaWF0DQoNCg== From nobody Thu Jun 11 12:55:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E651B311A for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:55:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.81 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.81 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_05=-0.5, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6j6KM0drZu5j for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69B681B3117 for ; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:55:18 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,597,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="67046805" Received: from irvexchcas07.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS07.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.55]) by mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 11 Jun 2015 13:07:22 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.14) by IRVEXCHCAS07.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.55) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:55:17 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 11 Jun 2015 12:55:17 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: DetNet BoF approved for IETF#93 Thread-Index: AdCkgIhzES62buXCSvW24BjkaXm70g== Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:55:16 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D052D5771@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] DetNet BoF approved for IETF#93 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2015 19:55:20 -0000 Folks, Our DetNet BoF has been approved for the IETF#93. This is really great news= and.. a lot of work ahead the coming month to prepare for a successful BoF= . Thanks for everyone for their efforts so far, specifically to Erik who wo= rked a lot behind the scenes. There are still concerns from IESG/IAB that our scope is somewhat overwhelm= ing. We need to scope things and pick up realistic topics & concrete use ca= ses that are solvable in few year time span. Also, we need to avoid placing= requirements on other SDOs (data planes/link layers) or having unrealistic= requirements e.g. on routers. - Jouni & Pascal --=20 Jouni Korhonen, CTO Office, Networking, Broadcom Corporation O: +1-408-922-8135, M: +1-408-391-7160 From nobody Fri Jun 12 10:22:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEDA11ACDB4 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:22:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.036 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.036 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5CZFzKmsfzRX for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:22:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from c.mail.sonic.net (c.mail.sonic.net [64.142.111.80]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E99A51ACDB0 for ; Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [172.22.242.97] ([162.210.130.3]) (authenticated bits=0) by c.mail.sonic.net (8.15.1/8.15.1) with ESMTPSA id t5CHMNBZ030729 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT); Fri, 12 Jun 2015 10:22:26 -0700 Message-ID: <557B154E.5050908@acm.org> Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 19:22:22 +0200 From: Erik Nordmark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jouni Korhonen , "detnet@ietf.org" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert) (pthubert@cisco.com)" References: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D052D1DAE@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> In-Reply-To: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D052D1DAE@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sonic-CAuth: UmFuZG9tSVbxvUEGUyhJ2coYPI1+lQbNd3ksjj2kUTSzlqV/TYBvsYWuR3EiQi0ncEeqsB8vTNeWXKktdxb4ptO9f+57yVL9 X-Sonic-ID: C;fLG3licR5RGoqfjYVPtzAg== M;DmovmCcR5RGoqfjYVPtzAg== X-Sonic-Spam-Details: 0.0/5.0 by cerberusd Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet BoF agenda X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2015 17:22:35 -0000 On 6/8/15 7:17 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > Pascal, > > Sorry for being mute for a while. I checked the preliminary agenda for the BoF from the wiki and got a couple of quick comments. I would move architecture document before any other sustaining I-Ds and maybe even the charter work. > > The agenda is also very packed. Do you think we have enough time for overall discussion during the "online editing" part? If you have a full room I think it would be hard to do word-smithing in real-time. But it is important to go over the charter - and in particular to make sure that folks understand what the concrete deliverables would be. By "concrete" I mean less of document deliverables and more of "after 12-24 months technical issue A, B, and C will be addressed allowing deployments that do X Y and Z." So while an architecture document is important to make sure the pieces fit together, I think success is more likely if it is built from the ground up. A key aspect of the architecture is to allow folks to later generalize pieces and e.g., add some other control or signalling plane mechanism. But without a initial small set the WG risks trying to boil the ocean. Thus structuring the agenda so that folks can talk about what I labeled as A-C and X-Z above would be helpful to ensure that folks are on the same page. Erik > I also think we need some 5 minutes for the general chaos & administrative work at the beginning (like steal that from the architecture prez). We might consider merging "sustaining documents" into fewer presentations, maybe even into one (with a slide from each pointing out the "why DetNet" message). Having 4 rapid prez with 4 presenters might not be a good idea. > > - Jouni > From nobody Fri Jun 19 16:36:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D76991B2BA3 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:36:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DVU-Prh2UlDB for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:36:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.64]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2A091B2BA2 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:36:35 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,646,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="67800157" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw3-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 19 Jun 2015 16:49:44 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.14) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:36:35 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Fri, 19 Jun 2015 16:36:34 -0700 From: Jouni Korhonen To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: IETF 93 draft agenda posted Thread-Index: AdCq6MNjewi8wZacTBS33ZHiRXHLaA== Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 23:36:33 +0000 Message-ID: <72CC502C2C615C42B081A9E5FC057D052DF33D@SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] IETF 93 draft agenda posted X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2015 23:36:37 -0000 Folks, DetNet BoF is tentatively scheduled on Monday Afternoon Session I at 13:00-= 15:00. The rest of the agenda can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/93/agenda.html=20 - Jouni --=20 Jouni Korhonen, CTO Office, Networking, Broadcom Corporation O: +1-408-922-8135, M: +1-408-391-7160 From nobody Tue Jun 23 18:47:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DC2E1B3154 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:54 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q0yz1BTwWdpG for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.63]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF8D1B3153 for ; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:53 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,669,1427785200"; d="scan'208";a="68234214" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 23 Jun 2015 19:02:37 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.8) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:52 -0700 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS03.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Tue, 23 Jun 2015 18:47:52 -0700 From: "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: BoF Planning Thread-Index: AdCuH4gadMIa8YlySrOrKA8b19XpJA== Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 01:47:51 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Lou Berger Subject: [Detnet] BoF Planning X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 01:47:54 -0000 QWxsLA0KICAgIEFzIG1lbnRpb25lZCBieSBKb3VuaSwgd2UncmUgY3VycmVudGx5IHNjaGVkdWxl ZCBmb3IgTW9uZGF5DQpBZnRlcm5vb24gU2Vzc2lvbiBJIGF0IDEzOjAwLTE1OjAwLiBUaGUgZmlu YWwgc2NoZWR1bGUgd2lsbCBiZSBwdWJsaXNoZWQNCm9uIEZyaWRheSAtIGFuZCB3ZSdyZSBub3Qg ZXhwZWN0aW5nIGFueSBjaGFuZ2UgYXQgdGhpcyB0aW1lLiAgT3VyDQpjdXJyZW50IHBsYW5uZWQg YWdlbmRhIChrdWRvcyB0byBOb3JtLCBQYXNjYWwgYW5kIEpvdW5pIGZvciB0aGVpciBlZmZvcnQN CmluIHB1dHRpbmcgdGhpcyB0b2dldGhlcikgaXMgYXMgZm9sbG93czoNCiAgICogQm9GIGludHJv DQogICAqIFVzZXIncyB2aWV3DQogICAgICAgIEFuc3dlcmluZyB0aGUgZm9sbG93aW5nOg0KICAg ICAgICAgICAgMSkgV2hhdCBpcyB5b3VyIGFwcGxpY2F0aW9uPw0KICAgICAgICAgICAgMikgSG93 IGRvIHlvdSBzdXBwb3J0IHRoZSBhcHBsaWNhdGlvbiB0b2RheT8NCiAgICAgICAgICAgIDMpIFdo YXQgZG8geW91IHdhbnQgdG8gZGlmZmVyZW50bHkgaW4gdGhlIGZ1dHVyZT8NCiAgICAgICAgICAg IDQpIFdoYXQgd291bGQgeW91IGxpa2UgdGhlIElFVEYgdG8gZGVsaXZlcj8gKG1heSBiZSBjb21i aW5lZA0Kd2l0aCAzKQ0KICAgKiBEZXROZXQgUHJvYmxlbSBTdGF0ZW1lbnQNCiAgICogV29ya2lu ZyBncm91cCBzY29wZSBhbmQgZGVsaXZlcmFibGVzIGRpc2N1c3Npb24NCiAgICogQ29uY2x1ZGlu ZyBkaXNjdXNzaW9uDQoNClJlbGF0ZWQgZHJhZnRzIGNhbiBiZSBmb3VuZCBhdDoNCiAgICBodHRw czovL2RhdGF0cmFja2VyLmlldGYub3JnL2RvYy9zZWFyY2gvP25hbWU9ZGV0bmV0JmFjdGl2ZWRy YWZ0cz1vbg0KLSBOb3RlIHRoYXQgdGhlc2UgZHJhZnRzIHByb3ZpZGUgY29udGV4dCBhbmQgcmVw cmVzZW50IGluZGl2aWR1YWwNCm9waW5pb25zL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbnMuIA0KDQpDb21tZW50cyBv biB0aGUgYWdlbmRhIGFyZSB3ZWxjb21lIGFuZCBhcHByZWNpYXRlZC4NCg0KSWYgeW91J2QgbGlr ZSB0byBwcmVzZW50IGF0IHRoZSBCb0YgYW5kIHdlIGhhdmVuJ3QgYWxyZWFkeSB0YWxrZWQgd2l0 aA0KeW91LCBwbGVhc2UgY29udGFjdCB1cyBvZmYgbGlzdCBieSB0aGUgZW5kIG9mIHRoZSB3ZWVr Lg0KDQpBbHNvLCB3ZSBhcmUgbG9va2luZyBmb3Igdm9sdW50ZWVyIG1pbnV0ZSB0YWtlcnMgLS0g YWdhaW4sIHBsZWFzZQ0KY29udGFjdCB1cyBvZmYgbGlzdCBpZiB3aWxsaW5nLg0KDQpUaGFuayB5 b3UsDQpQYXQgYW5kIExvdQ0KQm9GIENoYWlycw0KDQoNCg== From nobody Wed Jun 24 03:55:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 790D41A6FE7 for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 03:55:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.91 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.91 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HVgX661S-usl for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 03:55:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-CAMELLIA256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C4C641A065C for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 03:55:06 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FAHCLilXGmAcV/2dsb2JhbABbgmYrVF8GqlYBBQaUEIV4AoFMTAEBAQEBAYELhCIBAQEBAxIoPwwEAgEIDQQEAQELFAkHMhQJCAEBBAENBQgTB4gNAQysBqElAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBEwSGHIUuhFUxBwaDEYEUBYwTh3IBhFeIM4cRjBGDXBcPg3pvgUaBAgEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.13,671,1427774400"; d="scan'208";a="122630100" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest-exch.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.21]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 24 Jun 2015 06:54:44 -0400 X-OutboundMail_SMTP: 1 Received: from unknown (HELO AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.58.12]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP/TLS/AES128-SHA; 24 Jun 2015 06:54:43 -0400 Received: from AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com ([fe80::6db7:b0af:8480:c126]) by AZ-FFEXHC02.global.avaya.com ([135.64.58.12]) with mapi id 14.03.0174.001; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 12:54:42 +0200 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" , "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: BoF Planning Thread-Index: AdCuH4gadMIa8YlySrOrKA8b19XpJAAS5iwQ Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 10:54:41 +0000 Message-ID: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA7422F@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [135.64.58.48] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: Lou Berger Subject: Re: [Detnet] BoF Planning X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 10:55:08 -0000 Hi Pat, Who do you expect to answer the questions/present at the 'User's view' poin= t? Out of the 6 I-Ds listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/?nam= e=3Ddetnet&activedrafts=3Don, 3 include use cases.=20 What about proposed/possible solutions? I assume these are somehow included= in the WG scope and deliverables, but maybe they deserve a separate point = in the agenda.=20 Concluding discussions - this actually means asking the typical WG forming = BOF questions, right? Maybe this needs to be spelled out explicitely.=20 Thanks and Regards, Dan > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pat (Patricia) > Thaler > Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:48 AM > To: detnet@ietf.org > Cc: Lou Berger > Subject: [Detnet] BoF Planning >=20 > All, > As mentioned by Jouni, we're currently scheduled for Monday Afternoon > Session I at 13:00-15:00. The final schedule will be published on Friday = - and > we're not expecting any change at this time. Our current planned agenda > (kudos to Norm, Pascal and Jouni for their effort in putting this togethe= r) is as > follows: > * BoF intro > * User's view > Answering the following: > 1) What is your application? > 2) How do you support the application today? > 3) What do you want to differently in the future? > 4) What would you like the IETF to deliver? (may be combined = with 3) > * DetNet Problem Statement > * Working group scope and deliverables discussion > * Concluding discussion >=20 > Related drafts can be found at: From nobody Wed Jun 24 04:26:17 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00B661A884E for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 04:26:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Oede10rFCfC for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 04:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy6-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.39.168]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C8E0A1A884B for ; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 04:26:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 26183 invoked by uid 0); 24 Jun 2015 11:26:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy6.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 24 Jun 2015 11:26:11 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id kBFe1q0062SSUrH01BFhGS; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 05:15:50 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=ALgDonD0 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=QrohdLjRRo4A:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=XAFQembCKUMA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=PN6Si_923JKPz2xvXcsA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:To:MIME-Version:From:Date:Message-ID; bh=QFGCCu4gWp0sotcaSIRbcigcICQ8T8NB/zvQZj+E2TY=; b=OGTb86Fr1RLTHgWkP3EFxndrlZlUUTuXspyQib1Z9ZOGXw1/lBnBLL8SLj0/kHExZL72OCG2AOgV0vTh9CLrACGsgIvVjLuLQ/ccbWpGyRHwRQWE4L/MD3WFVI423UDj; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:54125 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Z7ioZ-00087R-46; Wed, 24 Jun 2015 05:25:59 -0600 Message-ID: <558A93C3.3090202@labn.net> Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 07:25:55 -0400 From: Lou Berger User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" , "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" , "detnet@ietf.org" References: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA7422F@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> In-Reply-To: <9904FB1B0159DA42B0B887B7FA8119CA5CA7422F@AZ-FFEXMB04.global.avaya.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] BoF Planning X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2015 11:26:16 -0000 Dan, See below. On 6/24/2015 6:54 AM, Romascanu, Dan (Dan) wrote: > Hi Pat, > > Who do you expect to answer the questions/present at the 'User's view' point? Out of the 6 I-Ds listed at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/search/?name=detnet&activedrafts=on, 3 include use cases. Right -- these drafts/authors plus the 6TiSCH draft authors. Also, if there are others who wish to present Pat and I will discuss this with them once they contact us -- opening this up was part of the reason for the message. > > What about proposed/possible solutions? I assume these are somehow included in the WG scope and deliverables, Yes. We also see this as part of the problem statement for the WG. The first deliverable in the proposed charter (http://trac.tools.ietf.org/bof/trac/wiki/DetNet) is the overall architecture. Certainly there are possible/plausible solutions and this will be covered as part of the WG Problem Statement -- but is for the WG to decided on a specific solution. > but maybe they deserve a separate point in the agenda. Sure, we can add it as a subtopic of problem statement. BTW Proposed WG deliverables can be found on the BoF Wiki. > > Concluding discussions - this actually means asking the typical WG forming BOF questions, right? Maybe this needs to be spelled out explicitely. I thought we did. I guess "Typical WG forming BoF Concluding Discussion" might have been more explicit -- but a bit overkill, no? Thank you for the feedback! Lou > Thanks and Regards, > > Dan > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pat (Patricia) >> Thaler >> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2015 4:48 AM >> To: detnet@ietf.org >> Cc: Lou Berger >> Subject: [Detnet] BoF Planning >> >> All, >> As mentioned by Jouni, we're currently scheduled for Monday Afternoon >> Session I at 13:00-15:00. The final schedule will be published on Friday - and >> we're not expecting any change at this time. Our current planned agenda >> (kudos to Norm, Pascal and Jouni for their effort in putting this together) is as >> follows: >> * BoF intro >> * User's view >> Answering the following: >> 1) What is your application? >> 2) How do you support the application today? >> 3) What do you want to differently in the future? >> 4) What would you like the IETF to deliver? (may be combined with 3) >> * DetNet Problem Statement >> * Working group scope and deliverables discussion >> * Concluding discussion >> >> Related drafts can be found at: > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > From nobody Mon Jun 29 19:19:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D9D51B2F36 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:19:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id faBZxwCQ7ikN for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:19:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D7F071B2F34 for ; Mon, 29 Jun 2015 19:19:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id BYD33368; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:19:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from NKGEML408-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.39) by lhreml403-hub.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.217) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.158.1; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 03:19:31 +0100 Received: from NKGEML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.172]) by nkgeml408-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.39]) with mapi id 14.03.0158.001; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 10:19:27 +0800 From: "Zhuangyan (Yan)" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling-00.txt Thread-Index: AQHQstswdwCKLO4vx0CHoiQoyTLgQQ== Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:19:26 +0000 Message-ID: <9B4BC45FDEDDD84F813E9E4A5BAF8785865A44AE@nkgeml503-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.170.230] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for draft-zhuang-pce-stateful-pce-lsp-scheduling-00.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussions on Deterministic Networking, characterized by 1\) resource reservation; 2\) 0 congestion loss and guaranteed latency; 3\) over L2-only and mixed L2 and L3 networks; and 5\) 1+1 replication/deletion." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2015 02:19:36 -0000 RGVhciBEZXRuZXQgZm9sa3MsDQoNCldlIHByZXBhcmVkIGEgZHJhZnQgb24gdGhlIGxzcCBzY2hl ZHVsaW5nIGluIHBjZSB3Zywgd2hpY2ggaXMgdG8gc2V0dXAgYSBsc3Agb3ZlciBuZXR3b3JrIG5v ZGVzIG9uIGl0cyBhY3R1YWwgdXNhZ2UgdGltZSB0byBtYWtlIGJldHRlciB1dGlsaXphdGlvbiBv ZiBuZXR3b3JrIHJlc291cmNlcyAoZS5nLiBiYW5kd2lkdGgpIGFuZCByZWxpZXZlIHRoZSBidXJk ZW4gb24gbm9kZXMgaW52b2x2ZWQgaW4gdGhlIHBhdGguIFBsZWFzZSBmaW5kIGl0IGJlbG93Lg0K DQpTaW5jZSBEZXRuZXQgaXMgYWltZWQgdG8gcHJvdmlkZSBhIGRldGVybWluaXN0aWMgbmV0d29y ayB3aXRoIGEgZ3VhcmFudGVlZCBiYW5kd2lkdGggYW5kIHFvcyBmb3IgZmxvd3MgaW4gYSBjZW50 cmFsaXplZCBjb250cm9sIG1hbm5lci4gVGhlIGZsb3dzIHdpdGhpbiB0aGUgbmV0d29yayBoYXZl IHdlbGwgZGVmaW5lZCBjaGFyYWN0ZXJpc3RpY3MgKGkuZS4gcGVyaW9kaWNpdHkgYW5kIGJ1cnN0 aW5lc3MpLg0KDQpIZW5jZSwgd2UgdGhpbmsgdGhlIHNjaGVkdWxlZCBsc3AgbWF5IGFwcGx5IGlu IERldG5ldC4gV2hhdCBkbyB5b3UgYWxsIHRoaW5rPw0KDQpDb21tZW50cyBhbmQgc3VnZ2VzdGlv bnMgYXJlIHdhcm1seSB3ZWxjb21lZC4NCg0KVGhhbmsgeW91IHZlcnkgbXVjaCENCg0KUmVnYXJk cywNCg0KWWFuDQoNCi0tLS0t6YKu5Lu25Y6f5Lu2LS0tLS0NCuWPkeS7tuS6ujogaW50ZXJuZXQt ZHJhZnRzQGlldGYub3JnIFttYWlsdG86aW50ZXJuZXQtZHJhZnRzQGlldGYub3JnXSANCuWPkemA geaXtumXtDogMjAxNeW5tDbmnIgyOeaXpSAxOTo1Mw0K5pS25Lu25Lq6OiBaaHVhbmd5YW4gKFlh bik7IERocnV2IERob2R5OyBaaHVhbmd5YW4gKFlhbik7IFFpbiBXdTsgRGhydXYgRGhvZHk7IFFp biBXdQ0K5Li76aKYOiBOZXcgVmVyc2lvbiBOb3RpZmljYXRpb24gZm9yIGRyYWZ0LXpodWFuZy1w Y2Utc3RhdGVmdWwtcGNlLWxzcC1zY2hlZHVsaW5nLTAwLnR4dA0KDQoNCkEgbmV3IHZlcnNpb24g b2YgSS1ELCBkcmFmdC16aHVhbmctcGNlLXN0YXRlZnVsLXBjZS1sc3Atc2NoZWR1bGluZy0wMC50 eHQNCmhhcyBiZWVuIHN1Y2Nlc3NmdWxseSBzdWJtaXR0ZWQgYnkgWWFuIFpodWFuZyBhbmQgcG9z dGVkIHRvIHRoZSBJRVRGIHJlcG9zaXRvcnkuDQoNCk5hbWU6CQlkcmFmdC16aHVhbmctcGNlLXN0 YXRlZnVsLXBjZS1sc3Atc2NoZWR1bGluZw0KUmV2aXNpb246CTAwDQpUaXRsZToJCVBDRVAgRXh0 ZW5zaW9ucyBmb3IgTFNQIHNjaGVkdWxpbmcgd2l0aCBzdGF0ZWZ1bCBQQ0UNCkRvY3VtZW50IGRh dGU6CTIwMTUtMDYtMjkNCkdyb3VwOgkJSW5kaXZpZHVhbCBTdWJtaXNzaW9uDQpQYWdlczoJCTE2 DQpVUkw6ICAgICAgICAgICAgaHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuaWV0Zi5vcmcvaW50ZXJuZXQtZHJhZnRzL2Ry YWZ0LXpodWFuZy1wY2Utc3RhdGVmdWwtcGNlLWxzcC1zY2hlZHVsaW5nLTAwLnR4dA0KU3RhdHVz OiAgICAgICAgIGh0dHBzOi8vZGF0YXRyYWNrZXIuaWV0Zi5vcmcvZG9jL2RyYWZ0LXpodWFuZy1w Y2Utc3RhdGVmdWwtcGNlLWxzcC1zY2hlZHVsaW5nLw0KSHRtbGl6ZWQ6ICAgICAgIGh0dHBzOi8v dG9vbHMuaWV0Zi5vcmcvaHRtbC9kcmFmdC16aHVhbmctcGNlLXN0YXRlZnVsLXBjZS1sc3Atc2No ZWR1bGluZy0wMA0KDQoNCkFic3RyYWN0Og0KICAgVGhpcyBkb2N1bWVudCBwcm9wb3NlcyBhIHNl dCBvZiBleHRlbnNpb25zIG5lZWRlZCB0byB0aGUgc3RhdGVmdWwNCiAgIFBhdGggQ29tcHV0YXRp b24gRWxlbWVudCAoUENFKSBjb21tdW5pY2F0aW9uIFByb3RvY29sIChQQ0VQKSwgc28gYXMNCiAg IHRvIGVuYWJsZSBMYWJlbGVkIFN3aXRjaGVkIFBhdGggKExTUCkgc2NoZWR1bGluZyBmb3IgcGF0 aCBjb21wdXRhdGlvbg0KICAgYW5kIExTUCBzZXR1cC9kZWxldGlvbiBiYXNlZCBvbiB0aGUgYWN0 dWFsIG5ldHdvcmsgcmVzb3VyY2UgdXNhZ2UNCiAgIGR1cmF0aW9uIG9mIGEgdHJhZmZpYyBzZXJ2 aWNlIGluIGEgY2VudHJhbGl6ZWQgbmV0d29yayBlbnZpcm9ubWVudC4NCiAgIEEgc2NoZWR1bGVk IExTUCBjYW4gYmUgc2V0dXAgYXQgdGhlIGl0cyBzdGFydGluZyB0aW1lIGFuZCBkZWxldGVkDQog ICBhZnRlciBpdHMgdXNhZ2UgZHVyYXRpb24gc3VjaCB0aGF0IExTUHMgZm9yIHRoZSBvdGhlciB0 cmFmZmljDQogICBzZXJ2aWNlcyBjYW4gdGFrZSBvdmVyIHRoZXNlIG5ldHdvcmsgcmVzb3VyY2Vz IGJleW9uZCB0aGF0IHBlcmlvZC4NCg0KICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgIA0KDQoNClBs ZWFzZSBub3RlIHRoYXQgaXQgbWF5IHRha2UgYSBjb3VwbGUgb2YgbWludXRlcyBmcm9tIHRoZSB0 aW1lIG9mIHN1Ym1pc3Npb24gdW50aWwgdGhlIGh0bWxpemVkIHZlcnNpb24gYW5kIGRpZmYgYXJl IGF2YWlsYWJsZSBhdCB0b29scy5pZXRmLm9yZy4NCg0KVGhlIElFVEYgU2VjcmV0YXJpYXQNCg0K