From nobody Sun Nov 1 13:48:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99E5F1B2A4D; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 10:35:39 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5zFWVN_yUvfN; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F2711B2A4F; Mon, 5 Oct 2015 10:35:37 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.4.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151005173537.26102.63976.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 13:48:54 -0800 Cc: detnet WG Subject: [Detnet] WG Action: Formed Deterministic Networking (detnet) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:35:39 -0000 X-Original-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 10:35:37 -0700 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2015 17:35:39 -0000 A new IETF working group has been formed in the Routing Area. For additional information please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chairs. Deterministic Networking (detnet) ------------------------------------------------ Current Status: Proposed WG Chairs: Lou Berger Patricia Thaler Assigned Area Director: Deborah Brungard Mailing list Address: detnet@ietf.org To Subscribe: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet Archive: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/detnet/ Charter: The Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Working Group focuses on deterministic data paths that operate over Layer 2 bridged and Layer 3 routed segments, where such paths can provide bounds on latency, loss, and packet delay variation (jitter), and high reliability. The Working Group addresses Layer 3 aspects in support of applications requiring deterministic networking. The Working Group collaborates with IEEE802.1 Time Sensitive Networking (TSN), which is responsible for Layer 2 operations, to define a common architecture for both Layer 2 and Layer 3. Example applications for deterministic networks include professional and home audio/video, multimedia in transportation, engine control systems, and other general industrial and vehicular applications being considered by the IEEE 802.1 TSN Task Group. The Working Group will initially focus on solutions for networks that are under a single administrative control or within a closed group of administrative control; these include not only campus-wide networks but also can include private WANs. The DetNet WG will not spend energy on solutions for large groups of domains such as the Internet. The Working Group will specify an overall architecture that encompasses the data plane, OAM (Operations, Administration, and Maintenance), time synchronization, management, control, and security aspects which are required to enable a multi-hop path, and forwarding along the path, with the deterministic properties of controlled latency, low packet loss, low packet delay variation, and high reliability. The work applies to point-to-point (unicast) and point-to-multipoint (multicast) flows which can be characterized in a manner that allows the network to 1) reserve the appropriate resources for the flows in advance, and 2) release/reuse the resources when they are no longer required. The work covers the characterization of flows, the encapsulation of frames, the required forwarding behaviors, as well as the state that may need to be established in intermediate nodes. Candidate Layer 3 data plane technologies that may be used, without modification, include: IP and MPLS, and Layer 2 encapsulations that run over IP and/or MPLS, such as pseudowires and GRE. The working group will document which deployment environments and types of topologies are within (or outside) the scope of the DetNet architecture. This work focuses on the data plane aspects and is independent from any path setup protocol or mechanism. The data plane will be compatible with the work done in IEEE802.1 TSN. The Working Group's scope explicitly excludes modifications of transport protocols, OAM, Layer 3 forwarding, encapsulations, and control plane protocols. DetNet is chartered to work in the following areas: Overall architecture: This work encompasses the data plane, OAM, time synchronization, management, control, and security aspects. Data plane: This work will document how to use IP and/or MPLS to support a data plane method of flow identification and packet forwarding over Layer 3. Data flow information model: This work will identify the information needed for flow establishment and control and be used by reservation protocols and YANG data models. The work will be independent from the protocol(s) used to control the flows (e.g. YANG+NETCONF/RESTCONF, PCEP or GMPLS). YANG models: This work will document device and link capabilities (feature support) and resources (e.g. buffers, bandwidth) for use in device configuration and status reporting. Such information may also be used when advertising the deterministic network elements to a control plane. Control plane related information will be independent from the protocol(s) which may be used to advertise this information (e.g. IS-IS or GMPLS extensions). Any new YANG models will be coordinated with the Working Groups that define any augmented base models. As needed, problem statement: This effort will establish the deployment environment and deterministic network requirements. As needed, vertical requirements: This effort will detail the requirements for deterministic networks in various industries, for example, professional audio, electrical utilities, building automation systems, wireless for industrial applications. To investigate whether existing data plane encryption mechanisms can be applied, possibly opportunistically, to improve security and privacy. The WG coordinates with other relevant IETF Working Groups, including CCAMP, PCE, PALS, TEAS, OSPF, IS-IS, TSVWG, and 6TisSCH. As the work progresses, requirements may be provided to the responsible Working Group, e.g. PCE, TEAS, and CCAMP, with DetNet acting as a focal point to maintain the consistency of the overall architecture. The WG will liaise with appropriate groups in IEEE and other Standards Development Organizations (SDOs). WG deliverables include: Overall architecture Data plane specification Data flow information model YANG models WG sustaining/informational documents may include: These documents may not necessarily be published, but may be maintained in a draft form or on a collaborative Working Group wiki to support the efforts of the Working Group and help new comers: Problem statement and (constrained) deployment environments User-driven use cases Milestones: Dec 2015 - WG adoption of use cases Dec 2015 - WG adoption of problem statement (with supported deployments) Jan 2016 - WG adoption of architecture document Apr 2016 - WG adoption of data plane specification May 2016 - WG adoption of data flow information model Aug 2016 - WG adoption of YANG model Sep 2016 - Finalize use cases (informational) Sep 2016 - Finalize problem statement (informational) Nov 2016 - Submit architecture (Standards Track) Jan 2017 - Submit data plane specification (Standards Track) Feb 2017 - Submit data flow information model (informational) Apr 2017 - Submit YANG model (Standards Track) Apr 2017 - Re-charter or close From nobody Sun Nov 1 13:48:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2030F1A914A; 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Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:44:34 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-009.cisco.com ([173.37.102.19]) by XCH-RCD-009.cisco.com ([173.37.102.19]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Thu, 8 Oct 2015 11:44:34 -0500 From: "JP Vasseur (jvasseur)" To: "BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] detnet is approved as a new Working Group Thread-Index: AQHRAeicydnHAZHyhEaMZUyUv8xV/g== Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.24.61.194] Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Apple-Mail=_8D152582-56D3-4571-B073-3DA5E7768084"; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 13:48:55 -0800 Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" , "pce@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet is approved as a new Working Group X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:44:41 -0000 X-Original-Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 16:44:34 +0000 X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Oct 2015 16:44:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8D152582-56D3-4571-B073-3DA5E7768084 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_5ACF8287-4074-4928-8F82-BF116751D7CB" --Apple-Mail=_5ACF8287-4074-4928-8F82-BF116751D7CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Dear AD, Delighted to work with Detnet ! We will undoubtedly have interactions = related to path computations architectures, protocols, ... Thanks, JP. > On Oct 1, 2015, at 12:52 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A = wrote: >=20 > Hi detnet fans, > =20 > Great news - on today=E2=80=99s IESG call, we got approval for detnet = as a new Working Group. > =20 > I have a few nits to fix on the charter and then you will see the = formal announcement. > =20 > Your new WG Chairs will be familiar faces as they were your BoF = Chairs: Lou Berger and Pat Thaler. Thanks Lou and Pat for taking on this = responsibility! > =20 > You are on the schedule to meet at the next IETF. > =20 > Wish you success- > Deborah > =20 > =20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet = --Apple-Mail=_5ACF8287-4074-4928-8F82-BF116751D7CB Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Dear AD,

Delighted to work with Detnet ! We will undoubtedly have = interactions related to path computations architectures, protocols, = ...

Thanks,

JP.

On = Oct 1, 2015, at 12:52 PM, BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A <db3546@att.com> = wrote:

Hi detnet fans,
 
Great news - on today=E2=80=99s = IESG call, we got approval for detnet as a new Working Group.
 
I have a few nits to fix on the = charter and then you will see the formal announcement.
 
Your new WG Chairs will be = familiar faces as they were your BoF Chairs: Lou Berger and Pat Thaler. = Thanks Lou and Pat for taking on this responsibility!
 
You are on the schedule to meet = at the next IETF.
 
Wish = you success-
Deborah
 
 
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c8a.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id AF0381E59F1 for ; Sat, 31 Oct 2015 20:33:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Alexa Morris Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 20:33:49 -0700 Message-Id: To: detnet@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.6\)) Sendlaterdate: Sat, 31 Oct 2015 20:33:49 -0700 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.6) Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 13:48:54 -0800 Subject: [Detnet] Virtual Queue for DetNet Remote Attendees X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 03:33:43 -0000 If you are planning to participate in the DetNet session here at IETF 94 = on Monday =97 either locally in Prague or as a remote participant =97 we = want to make sure that you are aware that the IETF is providing a remote = participants with a fairly new way to ask questions or make comments. In = addition to using the Jabber room, for the DetNet session there is also = the opportunity for remote participants to enter a virtual queue and ask = questions directly into the meeting room.=20 This experimental queue was used in several sessions at IETF 92 and IETF = 93, so you may have already seen it in action. There will be two queues = for the DetNet session =97 a virtual queue and an actual (in-room) = queue. Remote attendees will log into the Meetecho platform and will = have a virtual mic line that they can enter if they have a question or = comment. In-room participants will continue to use normal mic lines.=20 Instructions for remote participants are at = http://ietf94.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Remote_Participation.=20 Information on how to join the Meetecho session is at = http://ietf94.conf.meetecho.com/. Verify that you are WebRTC compliant (required to use the virtual queue) = by performing a self-test here: = http://ietf94.conf.meetecho.com/index.php/Self_Test.=20 Regards, Alexa ---------- Alexa Morris / Executive Director / IETF 48377 Fremont Blvd., Suite 117, Fremont, CA 94538 Phone: +1.510.492.4089 / Fax: +1.510.492.4001 Email: amorris@amsl.com Managed by Association Management Solutions (AMS) Forum Management, Meeting and Event Planning www.amsl.com From nobody Sun Nov 1 13:50:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E8991A911A for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:50:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.033 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.033 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LscltFaP9EBE for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DEF71A910A for ; Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:50:53 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 11489 invoked by uid 0); 1 Nov 2015 21:50:50 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 1 Nov 2015 21:50:50 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id cTqk1r0092SSUrH01Tqnhb; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 20:50:48 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Zs1+dbLG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=dbY_vRYHiWwjKZ9KvWIA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:To; bh=i2L3yV0PNNdJfsCOzjGZeyWXKouOVtn6p6GJ00amdMY=; b=vI3sx0KjO3kdmhxDnKdGjyr5SucZ00o10J8AFDtz9d/bCoDBMZ/aUYiDwD/8ON5SIT1eWuIxMd7Buu72ZzvdwSobf8b1G3un06kgONu+yvBcDF8QGX4P9eGBpWTJ/x23; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:37844 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Zt0WT-0008Vw-V0 for detnet@ietf.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2015 14:50:46 -0700 To: DetNet WG From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <5636892D.9050006@labn.net> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 06:50:37 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] FYI - some old messages X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 21:50:56 -0000 Just a heads up that some old messages were just posted to the list. Mailman had a notification problem and it should be fixed now. Please let us (chairs) know if you post a message and don't see it make it to the list. Lou From nobody Mon Nov 2 13:25:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3461A7D81 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:23:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WkKhyXZF6cyz for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 98BAB1A70FD for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:23:55 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 27922 invoked by uid 0); 2 Nov 2015 21:23:51 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 2 Nov 2015 21:23:51 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id crPl1r00C2SSUrH01rPorW; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 20:23:49 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Zs1+dbLG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=-tsAPJKn6S7ax0J5AdsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Cc:To:Subject:From; bh=WoxxKRilTtV4z4OxFnPpPRw97SjUT4gcVJzR1M2bpRA=; b=G42MPkikNwvplnlM+r8/ZfYjby2eOBKyI/oZCLjNLgfhWGL3rK4lM67kFU2RaowRzmjF/kMgaCqVZsP+RAOVGxhlIsLKIRPDN+KvDAIOyggxUk1Xs2/9MklPNRCFFzL3; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:55971 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtMZu-0001GZ-FW; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 14:23:46 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: Subir Das , ethan.grossman@dolby.com, craig.gunther@harman.com, pthubert@cisco.com, pwetterw@cisco.com, raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca, jouni.nospam@gmail.com, yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp, zhayiyong@huawei.comdet Message-ID: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 06:23:33 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 13:25:39 -0800 Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:23:57 -0000 [2nd try - sorry about the duplicate] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Your WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. 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To: Jouni Korhonen , Lou Berger , Subir Das , "craig.gunther@harman.com" , "pthubert@cisco.com" , "pwetterw@cisco.com" , "raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca" , "yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp" , "zhayiyong@huawei.comdet" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 Thread-Index: AQHRFbTIKoKx2QW3BkWP8TJIPnaXWp6Jx8uA//+qVwA= Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 00:31:22 +0000 Message-ID: <6CE1AE4935C63549B80243EE77A7246E0109D82985@DLB-XCHPW02.dolby.net> References: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> <5637D763.10702@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5637D763.10702@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.213.76.1] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.15.21, 1.0.33, 0.0.0000 definitions=2015-11-03_02:2015-11-02,2015-11-02,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Archived-At: Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 00:40:26 -0000 Ik5vLCBJJ20gbm90IGF3YXJlIG9mIGFueSBJUFIgdGhhdCBhcHBsaWVzIHRvIHRoaXMgZHJhZnQi DQoNCkV0aGFuLg0KDQoxMS8yLzIwMTUsIDE6MjMgUE0sIExvdSBCZXJnZXIga2lyam9pdHRpOg0K PiBbMm5kIHRyeSAtIHNvcnJ5IGFib3V0IHRoZSBkdXBsaWNhdGVdDQo+DQo+IEF1dGhvcnMsIENv bnRyaWJ1dG9ycywgV0csDQo+DQo+IEFzIHBhcnQgb2YgdGhlIHByZXBhcmF0aW9uIGZvciBwb2xs aW5nIGZvciBXRyBkb2N1bWVudCBhZG9wdGlvbjoNCj4NCj4gQXJlIHlvdSBhd2FyZSBvZiBhbnkg SVBSIHRoYXQgYXBwbGllcyB0byBkcmFmdCBpZGVudGlmaWVkIGFib3ZlPw0KPg0KPiBQbGVhc2Ug c3RhdGUgZWl0aGVyOg0KPg0KPiAiTm8sIEknbSBub3QgYXdhcmUgb2YgYW55IElQUiB0aGF0IGFw cGxpZXMgdG8gdGhpcyBkcmFmdCINCj4gb3INCj4gIlllcywgSSdtIGF3YXJlIG9mIElQUiB0aGF0 IGFwcGxpZXMgdG8gdGhpcyBkcmFmdCINCj4NCj4gSWYgc28sIGhhcyB0aGlzIElQUiBiZWVuIGRp c2Nsb3NlZCBpbiBjb21wbGlhbmNlIHdpdGggSUVURiBJUFIgcnVsZXMgDQo+IChzZWUgUkZDcyAz OTc5LCA0ODc5LCAzNjY5IGFuZCA1Mzc4IGZvciBtb3JlIGRldGFpbHMpPw0KPg0KPiBJZiB5ZXMg dG8gdGhlIGFib3ZlLCBwbGVhc2Ugc3RhdGUgZWl0aGVyOg0KPg0KPiAiWWVzLCB0aGUgSVBSIGhh cyBiZWVuIGRpc2Nsb3NlZCBpbiBjb21wbGlhbmNlIHdpdGggSUVURiBJUFIgcnVsZXMiDQo+IG9y DQo+ICJObywgdGhlIElQUiBoYXMgbm90IGJlZW4gZGlzY2xvc2VkIg0KPg0KPiBJZiB5b3UgYW5z d2VyIG5vLCBwbGVhc2UgcHJvdmlkZSBhbnkgYWRkaXRpb25hbCBkZXRhaWxzIHlvdSB0aGluayAN Cj4gYXBwcm9wcmlhdGUuDQo+DQo+IElmIHlvdSBhcmUgbGlzdGVkIGFzIGEgZG9jdW1lbnQgYXV0 aG9yIG9yIGNvbnRyaWJ1dG9yIHBsZWFzZSBhbnN3ZXIgDQo+IHRoZSBhYm92ZSBieSByZXNwb25k aW5nIHRvIHRoaXMgZW1haWwgcmVnYXJkbGVzcyBvZiB3aGV0aGVyIG9yIG5vdCB5b3UgDQo+IGFy ZSBhd2FyZSBvZiBhbnkgcmVsZXZhbnQgSVBSLiBUaGlzIGRvY3VtZW50IHdpbGwgbm90IGFkdmFu Y2UgdG8gdGhlIA0KPiBuZXh0IHN0YWdlIHVudGlsIGEgcmVzcG9uc2UgaGFzIGJlZW4gcmVjZWl2 ZWQgZnJvbSBlYWNoIGF1dGhvciBhbmQgDQo+IGxpc3RlZCBjb250cmlidXRvci4gTk9URTogVEhJ UyBBUFBMSUVTIFRPIEFMTCBPRiBZT1UgTElTVEVEIElOIFRISVMgDQo+IE1FU1NBR0UnUyBUTyBM SU5FUy4NCj4NCj4gSWYgeW91IGFyZSBvbiB0aGUgV0cgZW1haWwgbGlzdCBvciBhdHRlbmQgV0cg bWVldGluZ3MgYnV0IGFyZSBub3QgDQo+IGxpc3RlZCBhcyBhbiBhdXRob3Igb3IgY29udHJpYnV0 b3IsIHdlIHJlbWluZCB5b3Ugb2YgeW91ciBvYmxpZ2F0aW9ucyANCj4gdW5kZXIgdGhlIElFVEYg SVBSIHJ1bGVzIHdoaWNoIGVuY291cmFnZXMgeW91IHRvIG5vdGlmeSB0aGUgSUVURiBpZiANCj4g eW91IGFyZSBhd2FyZSBvZiBJUFIgb2Ygb3RoZXJzIG9uIGFuIElFVEYgY29udHJpYnV0aW9uLCBv ciB0byByZWZyYWluIA0KPiBmcm9tIHBhcnRpY2lwYXRpbmcgaW4gYW55IGNvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbiBv ciBkaXNjdXNzaW9uIHJlbGF0ZWQgdG8geW91ciANCj4gdW5kaXNjbG9zZWQgSVBSLiBGb3IgbW9y ZSBpbmZvcm1hdGlvbiwgcGxlYXNlIHNlZSB0aGUgUkZDcyBsaXN0ZWQgDQo+IGFib3ZlIGFuZCAN Cj4gaHR0cDovL3RyYWMudG9vbHMuaWV0Zi5vcmcvZ3JvdXAvaWVzZy90cmFjL3dpa2kvSW50ZWxs ZWN0dWFsUHJvcGVydHkuDQo+DQo+IFRoYW5rIHlvdSwNCj4gWW91ciBXRyBDaGFpcnMNCj4NCj4g UFMgUGxlYXNlIGluY2x1ZGUgYWxsIGxpc3RlZCBpbiB0aGUgaGVhZGVycyBvZiB0aGlzIG1lc3Nh Z2UgaW4geW91ciANCj4gcmVzcG9uc2UuDQo+DQo+DQo= From nobody Mon Nov 2 17:42:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58C011B2B4D for ; 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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I did contribute some use cases for Craig Gunther. No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Regards, Jeff Koftinoff --jeffk++ > On Nov 2, 2015, at 13:23, Lou Berger wrote: > > [2nd try - sorry about the duplicate] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Your WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet --Apple-Mail-00FFE3C6-A508-489D-99FB-5690F07D4707 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I did contribute some use c= ases for Craig Gunther.
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No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Regards,
Jeff Koftinoff 

--jeff= k++


On Nov 2, 2015, at 13:23, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

[2nd try - sorry about the duplicate= ]

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for polling for WG document ad= option:

Are you aware of any IPR that appli= es to draft identified above?

Please state e= ither:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that a= pplies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of I= PR that applies to this draft"

If so, has t= his IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(se= e RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?
<= br>If yes to the above, please state either:
"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"<= /span>
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional= details you think
appropriate.

<= span>If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the=
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or n= ot you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not= advance to the next
stage until a response has been receive= d from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIE= S TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.
If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meeting= s but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind y= ou of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encour= ages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of other= s on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating i= n any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed= IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/In= tellectualProperty.

Thank you,Your WG Chairs

PS Please include al= l listed in the headers of this message in your
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= --Apple-Mail-00FFE3C6-A508-489D-99FB-5690F07D4707-- From nobody Mon Nov 2 17:45:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68F01B2B5B for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:44:57 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.277 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.277 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, FM_FORGED_GMAIL=0.622, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mn8B7vV8K9hy for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:44:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com (mail-wi0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2D1E91B2B6D for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:44:54 -0800 (PST) Received: by wikq8 with SMTP id q8so62690575wik.1 for ; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:44:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail_udp_cl.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=f6r464ORqJhVFf8VrRzFt0JbpIgvnJYoNivYlKXNqwg=; b=L1GaxCm9eVAitO91F9LVgcZtnSx522XDvhRlSiJCP+nYVJmjwkM8nZ6jzgCU29bUHd hJ0sC5YFGDQYUDS1E2NKZisjSez8sNvr1NFRQZSz6nnPC6n/+Tyl6ncU4NYnEqGuCS2o /XOnMQxjb0nZiuz0qYdg/RUBKNwl9Z8ObtOuOsGP5nVcwfHnoGnlA8FupzZb6A6w752U O1X2MxjjsEFL3/28cmm3Z+dxLtO9MosoUz9BDrU9CZXWKXMONWe6TfkHOcEQX6uAYpmV 5zcM52KF7+W0LZG/tHZBnzg1f1Fi8Tmzmcb7MzihvL8FpOMD1wsGBNW+AzGye0Cdprg7 MOIw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=f6r464ORqJhVFf8VrRzFt0JbpIgvnJYoNivYlKXNqwg=; b=irsp76r0MqC/ywjnFzvvJqBaAp3FlDT0+085YSjeknIGY7q6gaQcMeFprS2uHFay31 bgnDWV7ysngH9qIs59w88R4VM22dIatpcZ7IN+nZ4uY8Fa66kZQlFXD7Aeo6k9g1+CyE djbPqiorfaDSQbz4KjOL2XpjCaijbR6St8ALxYCtIDAuNlbOfgudhXb44GFFBBYsehLc IbrhdXsLdnSIKnpq/CaZGDaexenixR+F9fATgDdhGwBacjQy1Ai9sEUzB6fF1ijY+sUX 1+COfjLJ1ObO5panqqQVz/tbDqqTfm4gMUMWdJcTnaDCAEwBz3028gy4SlEJrtBIIWw/ CTjA== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm2JwyMpHJRwJip9OeUtD2OEa3zgdePR3FXHqGf3ox2LXn/1s8GAeCsTJQ9tEKa0v/DuBzj MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.194.19.134 with SMTP id f6mr26453892wje.133.1446515093592; Mon, 02 Nov 2015 17:44:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.28.54.73 with HTTP; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:44:53 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <872DB3CD-17B4-4DF4-9914-77C24C49ED5C@gmail.com> References: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> <872DB3CD-17B4-4DF4-9914-77C24C49ED5C@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 22:44:53 -0300 Message-ID: From: "Prof. Diego Dujovne" To: Jeff Koftinoff Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7b5d23e250f3b80523990ad7 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , DetNet WG , raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca, jouni.nospam@gmail.com, Subir Das , pwetterw@cisco.com, ethan.grossman@dolby.com, zhayiyong@huawei.comdet, yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp, Lou Berger , craig.gunther@harman.com Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:44:57 -0000 --047d7b5d23e250f3b80523990ad7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Regards, Diego Dujovne 2015-11-02 22:42 GMT-03:00 Jeff Koftinoff : > I did contribute some use cases for Craig Gunther. > > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > Regards, > Jeff Koftinoff > > --jeffk++ > > > On Nov 2, 2015, at 13:23, Lou Berger wrote: > > [2nd try - sorry about the duplicate] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Your WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > --=20 DIEGO DUJOVNE Acad=C3=A9mico Escuela de Ingenier=C3=ADa en Inform=C3=A1tica y Telecomunic= aciones Facultad de Ingenier=C3=ADa UDP www.ingenieria.udp.cl (56 2) 676 8125 --047d7b5d23e250f3b80523990ad7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.=

<= span style=3D"background-color:rgba(255,255,255,0)">Regards,

=
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2015-11-02 22:42 GMT-03:00 Jeff Koftinoff <= jeff.koftinoff@gmail.com>:
=
I did contribute some use cases for Craig Gun= ther.

No, I= 9;m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Regards,
Jeff = Koftinoff=C2=A0

--jeffk++

<= div class=3D"h5">

On Nov 2, 2015, at 13:23, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wro= te:

[2nd try - sorry abou= t the duplicate]

Authors, Contributors, WG= ,

As part of the preparation for polling f= or WG document adoption:

Are you aware of = any IPR that applies to draft identified above?

= Please state either:

"No, I'= ;m not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or=
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft= "

If so, has this IPR been disclosed = in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 366= 9 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to th= e above, please state either:

"Yes, t= he IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additio= nal details you think
appropriate.
<= br>If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answe= r the
above by responding to this email regardless of wheth= er or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document = will not advance to the next
stage until a response has bee= n received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: T= HIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO L= INES.

If you are on the WG email list or a= ttend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contri= butor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR= rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
a= ware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain fromparticipating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs list= ed above
and
http:/= /trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.<= br>
Thank you,
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PS Please include all listed in the headers of th= is message in your
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--047d7b5d23e250f3b80523990ad7-- From nobody Mon Nov 2 17:47:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB0451B2B78 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:47:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 39-6mqVeg-9w for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:47:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-1.cisco.com (alln-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.142.88]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 09B2C1B2B85 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:46:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1854; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446515213; x=1447724813; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=g4foe5PqofZ3qdIPDQ0RqNR+C+GVEW+SCcTK2TWao7I=; b=LAOZMaXrtAhq4l3mMILCzeoc2DsDyIUPAR9PPuAGoQyGEuz8p8te/ClR MaJy2xEN9i9weamfMnCr54RE4QzltVhj3zKnu1T56pFryoVu5snGBGSsH knA117h1xksZhfSehjG/J3NlOSMn8uIowx/19pP0LhJaPgTdLh+9gwAVn 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AcAgD8EDhW/4gNJK1egztTbwa/RAENgVohhXgCgTc4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ2AQEEOjoFEAIBCA4oEDIlAgQBDQWIMA3BcAEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGYZ3hH6ELREBhQEBBJZDAYUciAiBWUiDd5Ixg3EBHwEBQoQEcgGEPDqBBwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,236,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="204580623" Received: from alln-core-3.cisco.com ([173.36.13.136]) by alln-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 03 Nov 2015 01:46:52 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (xch-rtp-003.cisco.com [64.101.220.143]) by alln-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA31kp3F019078 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:46:52 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-014.cisco.com (64.101.220.154) by XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (64.101.220.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:46:51 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-014.cisco.com ([64.101.220.154]) by XCH-RTP-014.cisco.com ([64.101.220.154]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:46:51 -0500 From: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" To: Lou Berger , Subir Das , "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "craig.gunther@harman.com" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca" , Jouni Korhonen , "yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp" , "zhayiyong@huawei.comdet" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on Thread-Index: AQHRFbQh92kM4XREL0+blAPb2w0nvZ6KckuA Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:46:50 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5637D337.70105@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <5637D337.70105@labn.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.70.234.211] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: DetNet WG Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:47:10 -0000 Dear all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Patrick On 03/11/15 06:18, "Lou Berger" wrote: >Authors, Contributors, WG, > >As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > >Please state either: > >"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >or >"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > >If yes to the above, please state either: > >"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >or >"No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > >If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think >appropriate. > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the >above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are >aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next >stage until a response has been received from each author and listed >contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S >TO LINES. > >If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed >as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under >the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are >aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from >participating in any contribution or discussion related to your >undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above >and >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > >Thank you, >Your WG Chairs > >PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your >response. > > From nobody Mon Nov 2 17:48:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAA51B2B73 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:48:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.511 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.511 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RKuPM-RCi6YY for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:48:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from alln-iport-4.cisco.com (alln-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.142.91]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 36A1B1B2B85 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:47:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=1897; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1446515276; x=1447724876; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-id:content-transfer-encoding: mime-version; bh=Vg7H5lebhvUCrbnlnXNjYwH36Jmn4z3hoGBhfO+pLu0=; b=TnBZjievJHojOZoCXGKiPAt2eb0edts+Vrsxi7znxnudi8sjPkhfjQ+X gXuPR7IwkWodgxgSLF97wJFt7ZIohHU/VGpPl5+IpjPZcbOKTilxbSlxl 6vkeaDJNVT7HWyAKMkErot7p0X1mLmc3jkGp/DMlrSRVfWo6VjFPup7cK 8=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: A0AcAgAmEjhW/5JdJa1egztTbwa/RAENgVohhXgCgTc4FAEBAQEBAQGBCoQ2AQEEOjoFEAIBCA4oEDIlAgQBDQWIMA3BbQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGYZ3hH6ELREBhQEBBJZDAYUciAiBWUiDd5Ixg3EBHwEBQoQEcgGEPDqBBwEBAQ X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.20,236,1444694400"; d="scan'208";a="203737791" Received: from rcdn-core-10.cisco.com ([173.37.93.146]) by alln-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP; 03 Nov 2015 01:47:38 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (xch-rtp-004.cisco.com [64.101.220.144]) by rcdn-core-10.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id tA31lcjO023124 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:47:38 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-014.cisco.com (64.101.220.154) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1104.5; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:47:37 -0500 Received: from xch-rtp-014.cisco.com ([64.101.220.154]) by XCH-RTP-014.cisco.com ([64.101.220.154]) with mapi id 15.00.1104.000; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 20:47:37 -0500 From: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" To: Lou Berger , Subir Das , "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "craig.gunther@harman.com" , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca" , Jouni Korhonen , "yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp" , "zhayiyong@huawei.comdet" Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 Thread-Index: AQHRFbTGXRWSh8jXLky8qG3KCQs5T56Kcn6A Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:47:37 +0000 Message-ID: References: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.5.7.151005 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.70.234.211] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <27A4E20579B5A341B47BE76286DAA758@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: DetNet WG Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:48:08 -0000 Dear all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Patrick On 03/11/15 06:23, "Lou Berger" wrote: >[2nd try - sorry about the duplicate] > >Authors, Contributors, WG, > >As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > >Please state either: > >"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >or >"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > >If yes to the above, please state either: > >"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >or >"No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > >If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think >appropriate. > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the >above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are >aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next >stage until a response has been received from each author and listed >contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S >TO LINES. > >If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed >as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under >the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are >aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from >participating in any contribution or discussion related to your >undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above >and >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > >Thank you, >Your WG Chairs > >PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your >response. > > From nobody Mon Nov 2 18:08:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65D311ACCF9 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 18:08:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.702 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.702 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HELO_EQ_JP=1.244, HOST_EQ_JP=1.265, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id r4-ifnvc9kvD for ; 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Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:07:11 +0900 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tsbgw.wide.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593D127CD1; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:08:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from tsbgw.wide.toshiba.co.jp ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (tsbgw.wide.toshiba.co.jp [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HzCpewIvlI_O; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:08:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from [192.168.11.5] (p79671758.tkyea125.ap.so-net.ne.jp [121.103.23.88]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by tsbgw.wide.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C24E527CCF; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 11:08:30 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <56381720.1020103@toshiba.co.jp> Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:08:32 +0900 From: Yu Kaneko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Lou Berger , Subir Das , ethan.grossman@dolby.com, craig.gunther@harman.com, pthubert@cisco.com, pwetterw@cisco.com, raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca, jouni.nospam@gmail.com, zhayiyong@huawei.comdet References: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Cc: yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp, DetNet WG Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 02:08:38 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Regards, Kaneko On 2015/11/03 6:23, Lou Berger wrote: > [2nd try - sorry about the duplicate] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Your WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > From nobody Tue Nov 3 01:30:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32AC51B30E4 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:30:23 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PZvj4-qd_8AM for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm0-x230.google.com (mail-wm0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:400c:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3BD4C1B30E5 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 01:30:21 -0800 (PST) Received: by wmeg8 with SMTP id g8so79298577wme.0 for ; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:30:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sienda_com.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Coh//vOI7Wh+hEMPgaiSBNR6Vkgkw6lYE8dfkdzag78=; b=f8h9U0P6B1PJNv2jvsdSjk1y426ZJMnsdZYXDfFCWhnml0cVt/GpD6cYCwZ3RyICTR z+xnVGOkEq8Kx5CFelWPJGu5wVGLJCSyqcbo+1+3qruP5/6jp5l+4IblE+mjIjvO6owF dVFvJRC/52sZNTQnSTAV9Pye4jcFSqIzH/jDVfIzEalUXK7+hGJkWMPjc1Sb0b4E6k7K 6awiPmh4nV6pHc3kppd+NZphsW2P2tV96L2/QxXupsaqfavF/Uwf00kLxc4379d4ONts y3Rw3BnnsN1SE51W29JJLiojwlAn6+uYY4R4HMh17vT87913UzYwEZ3/kbJSZoajDrwm pgCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:content-type:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:cc:content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references :to; bh=Coh//vOI7Wh+hEMPgaiSBNR6Vkgkw6lYE8dfkdzag78=; b=WOO8chBEJUBOB8L10Qklo9UvXbhR9mKPnQh35d7OhiJ+0xvHWlx5Cu7sEBXfUUD6FB CErbagIQBZOgLUxj/F4pgqO4CpxX7GE14TCHBIeuZCP8Bimukpyg3zO9O+KIrQb9FNi9 VvVDxWW5brZaj37fLuL8iQIYLOqvT/cbZs068ucI6RzwV/jSNE2RMcp/RddzuZQgpdcs b1la9+wdCah1Y+/p5yaPNVblb55yJQEyoUYeBQKEMCFEluZX2pL99n07vN8Jt4wL6RML 15lH4QfH13W+41A9P1JXauVLni5fCN9DsJU0JN7qKFbER5X//dsQCM2eSPDJmyUcXMuT yckw== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQnhqFiKs8pCXMznI0tGtaZ4RpStbu2xvhR03dCQsfpgFFOxyNgLKQWtmxkqrGrgSgmBRl3r X-Received: by 10.28.214.141 with SMTP id n135mr19168097wmg.53.1446543019736; Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:30:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from kierans-mbp.home (host86-174-199-155.range86-174.btcentralplus.com. [86.174.199.155]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l1sm26595990wjx.13.2015.11.03.01.30.17 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 03 Nov 2015 01:30:18 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Kieran Tyrrell In-Reply-To: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:30:20 +0000 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <994854E0-18B6-484E-BFF1-10171B4FE5F4@sienda.com> References: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Cc: pthubert@cisco.com, raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca, jouni.nospam@gmail.com, Subir Das , pwetterw@cisco.com, ethan.grossman@dolby.com, zhayiyong@huawei.comdet, yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp, DetNet WG , craig.gunther@harman.com Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 09:30:23 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Best regards, Kieran Tyrrell. > On 2 Nov 2015, at 21:23, Lou Berger wrote: > > [2nd try - sorry about the duplicate] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. 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Subir Das , ethan.grossman@dolby.com, craig.gunther@harman.com, pthubert@cisco.com, pwetterw@cisco.com, raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca, yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp, zhayiyong@huawei.comdet References: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> From: Jouni Korhonen Message-ID: <5637D763.10702@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 13:36:35 -0800 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5637D455.7030807@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 08:38:18 -0800 Cc: DetNet WG Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:36:53 -0000 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" - Jouni 11/2/2015, 1:23 PM, Lou Berger kirjoitti: > [2nd try - sorry about the duplicate] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for polling for WG document adoption: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Your WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > From nobody Tue Nov 3 08:38:21 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0AE1A00A1 for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:52:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.61 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.61 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CJ52LDWx2-cH for ; Mon, 2 Nov 2015 17:52:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from thumper.appcomsci.com 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<5639B58C.9070004@labn.net> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:36:44 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Raw notes from DetNet session X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 07:37:14 -0000 All, Thanks to Charles Perkins, Dominique Barthel, and Jouni Korhonen we have the enclosed raw notes from Monday. These notes are also available, and editable, via the URL: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-detnet Please review and feel free to add your corrections via the link above. Changes/notes will be reviewed and approved by the chairs (and WG) before being finalized. Please limit changes to what actually transpired in the meeting. Session audio is available at https://www.ietf.org/audio/ietf94/ietf94-room301-20151102-0900.mp3 If you have a question or want to discuss any topics raised in the session, please feel free to do so on the list, but please do so with an appropriate Subject line. Thank you! Lou (and Pat) > DetNet Agenda For IETF 94 > Version: Oct 28, 2015 > > Monday, November 2, 2015 (JST) > 9:00-11:30 Monday Morning session I > Room: 301 > > Presentation Start Time Information > 0 9:00 Title: Administrivia & Intro, WG organization & milestones > Presenter: Chairs > Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-detnet-0.pptx The charter will probably not be discussed very much in the future, but since this is the first meeting it is important to go over it. Eric Nordmark: Is it a significant constraint to have compatibility with 802.1? Lou Berger: Detnet is going to run over multiple layer-2 technologies. 802.1 is one example. Norm Finn: It is possible that the constraint came from the existing 802.1 standard, multicast MAC address. That needs to be discussed. Eric Nordmark: So there will be some mapping enabling it to run on a subnet technology. Pat Thaler: Once we have a problem statement and requirements draft, this will become more clear. Lou Berger: Document milestones for Use Cases and for Problem Statement adoption are pretty close, because of discussion during BoF. That does not mean that the WG agrees on the content of those documents. But we do not yet have a good starting point for the Architecture document. Greg Mirsky Ericsson: Is OAM part of the discussion? Lou Berger: Yes. The group may decide to run it in parallel. Greg Mirsky: This is important for the architecture document. Lou Berger: Please contribute a document if you have something. Norm Finn: Would love to hear proposals for OAM. -- shahram davari: is time synchronization part of the dataplane? Lou Berger: authors will decide what is most convenient Shahram davari: is traffic management part of the charter. e.g. pre-emption etc Lou berger: Without commenting on the specific items, we will need to agree on and identify all detailed functions that are not called out on the charter, and the problem statement draft seems like a good place to do it. Pat Thaler: Somethings we will leave to the date plane, for example (frame) preemption Pascal Thubert: Lou Berger: discussion about administrivia, web pages, use of mailing list, etc. IPR disclosure /required/before WG adoption. Although not part of IETF standard policy, we will poll the group for IPR before document WG adoption and again before WG Last Call. > 1 9:30 Title: Consolidated Use Cases > Presenter: Ethan Grossman > Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases > Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-detnet-1.pptx Believes doc is ready for adoption by WG. The use cases are the same as were presented at the last IETF. Draft currently a collection of use cases, not merged. Needs rework, more use cases from industry. Quickly goes over uses cases described in the draft: real time audio, utility networks, building automation system, wireless sensors/actuators for industry, radio access networks. Lists the common characteristics of uses cases, called Use Came "Themes" Charles Perkins: your slides said Ethernet. 6TiSCH uses 15.4, which is not Ethernet. Lou: this is use case document. Users listing what they want. Charles: can this lead to multiple requirements documents? Lou: It's not our current expection to have a requirements document. We do expect the use case document to cover what the users are interested in, whether it be 802 or 6TisCH. The Problem statement will need to cover all use cases. Charles: current uses cases are broad. Lou: commonatiolity list is important. important to list what is common and what is not. Pat: important to serve a variety of Layer 2 technologies. Norman Finn: 99.9999% availability. Some potetial users even sait twelve 9's! Samita: 6TiSCH provides reliability/determinism, but we should provide reliability to other constrained device networks. Lou: Detnet not tied to a specific link technology. Samita: IPv6 over BlueTooth is already in RFC (RFC7668). But not deterministic. Pascal: 6TiSCH has a MAC layer that is deterministic. Bluetooth doesn't as it is today. Samita: BT might develop a deterministic technology in the future. Lou: whatever we develop here, we should be able to apply to such Layer 2 tech Pat: to get best result some L2 support needed Subir Das: question to the chairs: expected outcome of this group is how to map detnet on various Layer 2 technologies. How many of them do we want to address? Pat: we are contribution-driven. At this point, 802.1TSN, 6TiSCH, Lou: Those 2 technologies are enough to get started. If a 3rd comes along, rather early than later. Subir: Lou: our work not specific to a few given technologies. Subir: ok, can't expect to work across all wireless technologies. Pat: a lot of wireless technologies that 802.1TSN applies to anyway. Norm: TSN not tied to any specific link technology. Applicable to .11, .16, etc. Pascal: the two L2 tech are quite extremely different (bandwith, low-power), the hope is anything in the middle will be covered as well. Liang Geng CMCC: many overlap with use cases that are also discusses elsewhere, for example, in NGMN. Categorize also based on 5G interest. You are still accepting contributions/use cases. Lou: we are contribution driven. Pat: New use cases can be added if there are contributions. Lou: asking whether the document is ready for adoption? How many has read the document? Reasonable number (a dozen?) but not huge. Who thinks this is a good basis for a WG document.. same number of hands. If you have concerns bring them to list. > 2 10:11 Title: Problem Statement > Presenter: Pascal Thubert/Norman Finn > Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-finn-detnet-problem-statement > Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-detnet-2.pptx Currently in version -04, believed to be "mature". Discussion about the scope (geographical size) of Detnet work, answering Alia's comments during chartering work. List of requirements, please comment back. Draft contains description of related technologies, please contribute if you know one that was left out. Most use cases have omplex optimization problems. Controller-based approach is needed. Some text also allows for distributed approach. Tried to also spell out what's not in scope. Specifically time sync not in DetNet scope. That is done in other groups. Dan Romascanu: these pieces of work are inter-related, please also describe dependency to external pieces of work. Pat: pertains to arch document, not pb statemnt? Pascal: MAC needs to have features so that Detnet can use them. David Black: Draft assumes some sort of architecture, mostly controller based. Application expresses requirementsm controller computes pathes, install state in the network. Norm: would expect no more than one controller in the network, or at least a port not responding to more than one controller. Lou: this presentation is pb statement, Norm's comment applies to arch document. Lou: this pb statement draft has architectural considerations. We need to draw a line. Pascal: problems actually depend on architectural choices. Subir: not sure all the pb areas Pascal has listed need be solved in this WG. Lou: reiterates pb statement vs. architecture split. Lou: if interested in discussing these documents or want to contribute, stick around at the end of the meeting. ???: PCE? TEAS? Lou: if work outside IETF, we do liaisons. > 3 10:33 Title: Architecture > Presenter: Norman Finn > Draft: http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-finn-detnet-architecture > Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-detnet-3.pptx co-author Michael Johas-Teener is the chair of ieee802.1TSN states objectives. not trying to re-invent networking. Number of technologies out there that provide solution under some assumptions. improved -02 version of draft out. key aspects of architecture: reservation, redundancy, defense Our applications sensitive to delay: new sort of attack, but same nature as .. Norm Finn: man-in-the-middle cannot be stopped from inserting time delays. Emmanuel Baccelli: looks like magic is needed to solve scalability+zero congestion loss+... Norm: provides detailed example of solution. Admission control assumed, of course. Shaping Norm goes over list of issues: shapers, schedulers? Diffserv, Intserv? techniques for stream ID, QoS, pinned-down pathes? allow for distributed reservation mechanim? David Black: Diffserv not enough, need to check at the edge. Norm: absolutely, even defend at the edge against unwanted traffic. Lou: some of this document is redundant with use case and pb statement documents, will need to be sorted out. Provides one candidate architecture. May have other proposals. ??: do we need a set of candidate architectures instead of one? Norm: need broad applicability. However, some form of reservation by the application is a pre-requisite. Choice of mechanisms to achieve that. Norm: come with any technology that can help, FEC, etc. Pascal: even if you don't use centralized controller, many pieces still useful. Greg ??: missing, some kind of feedback mechanism. Including all the way to the application. Misbehaving middle-boxes, for example. Norm: 802.1CB and CI has provision for raising alarm if not throwing away expected portion of packets on replicate pathes recombining. This is example of such feedback. Norm: certainly designed against link failure. Greg: not talking about solutions. Arch document should have statement about it. Seems this piece is missing. Rich: plan for changes during operation of network, dialog with applicationis needed. Behcet Sarikaya: problem, no pictorial architure in the draft. > 4 11:08 Title: Data Plane Kickoff Discussion > Presenter: Jouni Korhonen/Shahram Davari > Draft: > Slides: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/slides/slides-94-detnet-4.pptx 802.1CB seemless redundancy. Packet duplication. Detnet QoS in terms fo delay, packet loss during normal operation, packet loss in presence of link/node failure. Techniques advocated for: zero congestion loss, pinned down path, path redundancy. 802.1CB has most of it. <<>> This is acronym soup to me! (Jouni: will add later from the record) 1:1 LSP (label switched path) protection used for .1CB fucntionality. Sending side trivial. Receiver side needs new functionality since, it receives two or more packets from differnt LSPs and the PW instance needs to discard dupolicates. Lou: call it rather PW redundacy not 1:1 LSP protection. It is for of PW redudancy/priotection. Shahram: it is a new form of PW protection. ???: is it unidiorectional PWs or PTMP? Shahram: unidirectional PW Relays use Multi Segment PW (MS-PW) Lou: tehre is no dfraft out yet. One candidate technology. Meant to prompt discussion. Greg: this is where network coding fits in. Need for a precise timestamp in a packet? Shahram: 802.1CB does not have timerstamp. It relies on the time window for nn number of packets. A circular buffer. Norm: a Q for folks thinking network coding. This is real-time. Greg: interest of nw coding is lightweight decoding mechanism, works in arbitrary places in the nw. Lou: I'm fan of nw coding. We have to look at what the apllication requirements are. > 11:10 Title: Discussion Pat: come to the front if you want to continue discussion or contribute. > 11:30 Adjourn > Notes Contributors: From nobody Tue Nov 3 23:41:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F53D1B2A05 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:41:38 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iT7Yru-ka_aX for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:41:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy5-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.38.55]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C02741B29F5 for ; Tue, 3 Nov 2015 23:41:37 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 6347 invoked by uid 0); 4 Nov 2015 07:41:33 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy5.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 4 Nov 2015 07:41:33 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id dRhT1r00Q2SSUrH01RhWZS; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 06:41:31 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Zs1+dbLG c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=YjQixP1Ga8ysSS9ofk0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To; bh=MHBEXmU7ib9WynTR6eECFGvyXFYOw7ra9dyexo2QSbg=; b=Kfz2wITWZJfvuJQSawHMku4Mx655XbrTzML9cGvV93yIk4/uaLTcfuPV3LaGnyVbb2F3fkXmUXaeBchvROk4IPQLTN8fbyUVbCY07OEyPg9T1KQb7bjodvJXkuPQe9gs; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:44468 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1ZtshE-0007cu-ST; Wed, 04 Nov 2015 00:41:29 -0700 To: DetNet WG From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <5639B692.3020201@labn.net> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:41:06 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Pat Thaler Subject: [Detnet] Looking for Data Plane Alternatives DT contributors X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 07:41:38 -0000 All, We're looking to put together a WG Design Team to come up with a draft that documents the data plane alternatives that may serve as the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. The design team scope will likely be a single document, with a -00 version to be delivered by the next IETF. The WG will be closed once the document is made a WG draft (or if it fails to deliver.) If you are interested in participating in this design team, please drop us (chairs) a note. Thank you, Lou and Pat From nobody Wed Nov 4 01:45:49 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47FF1B2C20 for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:45:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.712 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.712 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odDbsiWJbluY for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:45:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from internet2.beckhoff.com (internet2.beckhoff.com [194.25.186.210]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3BF91B2C1C for ; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 01:45:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from NT-MAIL04.beckhoff.com ([10.1.0.29]) by NT-Mail06.beckhoff.com ([fe80::81ae:1d71:e55b:a8a8%14]) with mapi id 14.03.0248.002; Wed, 4 Nov 2015 10:45:40 +0100 From: Karl Weber To: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 Thread-Index: AdEW5TwsvauN7vNpTsSvuNPoRahPXg== Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 09:45:39 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.35.16.38] x-olx-disclaimer: Done Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 09:45:47 -0000 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Karl Weber Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. 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Tue, 10 Nov 2015 03:01:59 -0600 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-01 Thread-Index: AdEbljvqbSFHlYKaRp2sc065zCUA+A== Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:01:55 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:01:23 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.60.6.43] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-01 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 09:02:01 -0000 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Pascal From nobody Tue Nov 10 08:57:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 693EB1B3A94 for ; 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boundary="_000_446C43C06790B34EB72DB69284A6CA54037F7F5DWPEXCH2010MR12b_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] FW: Regarding IPR on draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-01 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 12:59:42 -0000 --_000_446C43C06790B34EB72DB69284A6CA54037F7F5DWPEXCH2010MR12b_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Jean Raymond, Eng., Ph.D, M.Sc.A Supervisor - Smart Grid Standardization - Telecommunications Services and Network Evolution Direction Solutions de T=E9l=E9communications Direction Principale T=E9l=E9communications - Vice Pr=E9sidence TI - Hydro-= Qu=E9bec 1500 Robert-Bourassa Street, 4th Floor Montr=E9al Qc Canada H3A 3S7 Tel.: 514 798-1223, ext. 8407458 raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca --_000_446C43C06790B34EB72DB69284A6CA54037F7F5DWPEXCH2010MR12b_ Content-Type: text/html; 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--_000_446C43C06790B34EB72DB69284A6CA54037F7F5DWPEXCH2010MR12b_-- From nobody Fri Nov 20 14:02:14 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 023171B3EC9 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:02:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.233 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.233 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, WEIRD_PORT=0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CQ-PzHfQC2fE for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:02:11 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.18.3]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id C830C1B3EC8 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 14:02:10 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 20120 invoked by uid 0); 20 Nov 2015 22:02:04 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO CMOut01) (10.0.90.82) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 20 Nov 2015 22:02:04 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id jy201r00F2SSUrH01y23uD; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:02:03 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=VOBOwb/X c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=DwJnPGlLjI83jLNaCkMA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=NsNhG42RaOYA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:To:Subject:From; bh=s2OKnOydHfk6Lvcfm1WZ99zvsT0uYGjXX0XximTsSH0=; b=z90gzCwjJckKQeVz1r+2b8nqvl8HvYHMgtEs8GTiHRX8yXgnzsemrlJyrbuSfH4mtI/Uc8lM63HTtlaBkURFohGapdW+SxM15LunPdyBj8mAzV3n7bhcgkAUMcXKPzh2; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:50228 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1Zztkn-0005NV-7B for detnet@ietf.org; Fri, 20 Nov 2015 15:02:01 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: DetNet WG Message-ID: <564F9852.7050404@labn.net> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 17:01:54 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Draft IETF94 minutes uploaded X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 22:02:12 -0000 All, Thanks to our note takers: Charles Perkins, Dominique Barthel, and Jouni Korhonen we have uploaded *draft* minutes to https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/94/minutes/minutes-94-detnet If you have changes you'd like to see made. Please send comments to the list *and* make the changes to the etherpad: http://etherpad.tools.ietf.org:9000/p/notes-ietf-94-detnet Thank you, Lou (and Pat) From nobody Mon Nov 30 07:10:04 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B141A1BEF; Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:30:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.11.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20151127193055.31584.94268.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 11:30:55 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 07:10:03 -0800 Subject: [Detnet] The DETNET WG has placed draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 19:30:55 -0000 The DETNET WG has placed draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Lou Berger) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases/ Comment: WG adoption poll pending, gated by IPR poll From nobody Mon Nov 30 13:02:46 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DCF3B1B316F for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:02:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.209 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.209 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pf_k4qHTAGxt for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:02:43 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com (mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com [216.31.210.63]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3284D1B3168 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:02:43 -0800 (PST) X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos; i="5.20,365,1444719600"; d="scan'208,217"; a="81960756" Received: from irvexchcas06.broadcom.com (HELO IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com) ([10.9.208.53]) by mail-gw2-out.broadcom.com with ESMTP; 30 Nov 2015 13:37:19 -0800 Received: from SJEXCHCAS04.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.16.203.10) by IRVEXCHCAS06.corp.ad.broadcom.com (10.9.208.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:02:42 -0800 Received: from SJEXCHMB09.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([fe80::3da7:665e:cc78:181f]) by SJEXCHCAS04.corp.ad.broadcom.com ([::1]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 13:02:42 -0800 From: "Pat (Patricia) Thaler" To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Use case draft call for adoption Thread-Index: AdErsmy/mqbeXwyEQLuorg2nb4pO1Q== Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:02:41 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.16.203.100] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EB9B93801780FD4CA165E0FBCB3C3E672B46D94DSJEXCHMB09corpa_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Use case draft call for adoption X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 21:02:45 -0000 --_000_EB9B93801780FD4CA165E0FBCB3C3E672B46D94DSJEXCHMB09corpa_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-= 01 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/= support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reserv= ations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comment= s you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. Note: an IPR disclosure has been made on this document, see http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-grossman-= detnet-use-cases The poll ends 14 December 2015 Thanks, Lou and Pat --_000_EB9B93801780FD4CA165E0FBCB3C3E672B46D94DSJEXCHMB09corpa_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-= grossman-detnet-use-cases-01 a working group document. Please send email to= the list indicating “yes/support” or “no/do not support&= #8221;. If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document.  If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'= d like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

Note: an IPR disclosure has been made on this doc= ument, see

http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3D= draft&id=3Ddraft-grossman-detnet-use-cases

 

The poll ends 14 December 2015

Thanks,

Lou and Pat

 

--_000_EB9B93801780FD4CA165E0FBCB3C3E672B46D94DSJEXCHMB09corpa_-- From nobody Mon Nov 30 14:10:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEE551ACE58 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.266 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.266 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZNiqZ9Bb2Wq7 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:40 -0800 (PST) Received: from mx0a-000fd501.pphosted.com (mx0a-000fd501.pphosted.com [67.231.144.242]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EB6341ACE4E for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from pps.filterd (m0000439.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0a-000fd501.pphosted.com (8.15.0.59/8.15.0.59) with SMTP id tAUM9GlY031744 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:39 -0800 Received: from dlb-xmrpw01.dolby.net (dcd-outbound.dolby.com [67.216.182.43]) by mx0a-000fd501.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 1yen5bm9dn-1 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:39 -0800 Received: from DLB-XCHPW02.dolby.net ([169.254.2.251]) by DLB-XMRPW01.dolby.net ([10.213.22.204]) with mapi id 14.03.0181.006; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 14:10:38 -0800 From: "Grossman, Ethan A." To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Use case draft call for adoption Thread-Index: AdErsmy/mqbeXwyEQLuorg2nb4pO1QACCsPg Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:10:37 +0000 Message-ID: <6CE1AE4935C63549B80243EE77A7246E0109D9FFC2@DLB-XCHPW02.dolby.net> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.213.76.1] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6CE1AE4935C63549B80243EE77A7246E0109D9FFC2DLBXCHPW02dol_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.15.21, 1.0.33, 0.0.0000 definitions=2015-11-30_08:2015-11-30,2015-11-30,1970-01-01 signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Use case draft call for adoption X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 22:10:42 -0000 --_000_6CE1AE4935C63549B80243EE77A7246E0109D9FFC2DLBXCHPW02dol_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes/support Comments: The document needs to be edited to unify the format and level of detail in = the various use cases, and to ensure that each clearly answer the questions= "What are the use cases?", "How are they addressed today?", "What do we wa= nt to do differently in the future?", "What do we want the IETF to deliver?= ". We also have plans to add new use case text for Industrial use cases (an= d possibly any others that are identified which are not currently represent= ed, and which are contributed). Ethan. From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pat (Patricia) T= haler Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Use case draft call for adoption All, This is start of a two week poll on making draft-grossman-detnet-use-cases-= 01 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/= support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reserv= ations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comment= s you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. Note: an IPR disclosure has been made on this document, see http://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-grossman-= detnet-use-cases The poll ends 14 December 2015 Thanks, Lou and Pat --_000_6CE1AE4935C63549B80243EE77A7246E0109D9FFC2DLBXCHPW02dol_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes/support=

 

Comments: <= /span>

The document needs to = be edited to unify the format and level of detail in the various use cases,= and to ensure that each clearly answer the questions “What are the u= se cases?”, “How are they addressed today?”, “What do we want to do differently in the future?”, “Wha= t do we want the IETF to deliver?”. We also have plans to add new use= case text for Industrial use cases (and possibly any others that are ident= ified which are not currently represented, and which are contributed).

 

Ethan.

 

From: detnet [= mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pat (Patricia) Thaler
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 1:03 PM
To: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] Use case draft call for adoption=

 

All,

 

This is start of a two week poll on making draft-= grossman-detnet-use-cases-01 a working group document. Please send email to= the list indicating “yes/support” or “no/do not support&= #8221;. If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document.  If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'= d like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

 

Note: an IPR disclosure has been made on this doc= ument, see

http://datatrack= er.ietf.org/ipr/search/?submit=3Ddraft&id=3Ddraft-grossman-detnet-use-c= ases

 

The poll ends 14 December 2015

Thanks,

Lou and Pat

 

--_000_6CE1AE4935C63549B80243EE77A7246E0109D9FFC2DLBXCHPW02dol_-- From nobody Mon Nov 30 15:01:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF58A1B326A for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:01:43 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.667 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.667 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o1NMAKhlVW7u for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 84A211B3269 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 15:01:42 -0800 (PST) Received: (qmail 16065 invoked by uid 0); 30 Nov 2015 23:01:42 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw3) (10.0.90.84) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 30 Nov 2015 23:01:42 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw3 with id o61c1r0152SSUrH0161fsW; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:01:39 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=Caqbutbl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=wU2YTnxGAAAA:8 a=cNaOj0WVAAAA:8 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=qtqOOiqGOCEA:10 a=0FD05c-RAAAA:8 a=AUd_NHdVAAAA:8 a=Q-fNiiVtAAAA:8 a=gxZvrgisAAAA:8 a=i0EeH86SAAAA:8 a=tWZ2p5LqJrmnNtsGM9UA:9 a=7Zwj6sZBwVKJAoWSPKxL6X1jA+E=:19 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To; bh=8iDxB0+uAUHeucaMRCbuBg1lBSiYNyx8v6hE+UDPkWw=; b=uZ5gje3DI3YGXXCeSHAfzfSdyKU2rm6COMh5ZUafKa44Jj09h9IZBjelYFJmHmb6b18znUeUmwYb5YIH4SsCI3tX7dbABQxmFr4WkhAXld1ONiwSOwEZhoalGMyHeNa3; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:43582 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.84) (envelope-from ) id 1a3XRy-0005S9-Su; Mon, 30 Nov 2015 16:01:38 -0700 To: DetNet WG From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <565CD54A.2010107@labn.net> Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 18:01:30 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} Archived-At: Cc: Pat Thaler Subject: [Detnet] Data Plane Alternatives Design Team formed X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 23:01:43 -0000 WG, As planned, we have formed a Data Plane Alternatives Design Team. The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. The full scope of the DetNet data plane shall be considered and, as appropriate, shall include QoS, OAM, time synchronization. A baseline Data Plane Alternatives individual draft is the initial deliverable of the Design Team, and is expected prior to IETF 95. After publication of the initial version of the Alternatives draft, the Design Team may also produce documents that facilitate the evaluation of data plane alternatives. Specifically the Design Team may document evaluation criteria for protocol/solution selection. While the DT has limited membership, the DT will choose how it works to produce its individual draft(s). For example, the DT may choose to publicize their calls/progress or not. We do appreciate that not all who volunteered are include. Those who are willing to provide input to the DT should contact them directly. Keep in mind that there will be plenty of opportunity for input, per normal WG process, once the DT's individual draft(s) are adopted as WG documents. Again, thank you to all who volunteered. The members of the DT are: Janos Farkas Norman Finn Jouni Korhonen -- DT Lead Olivier Marce Greg Mirsky Pascal Thubert Zhuangyan Zhuang Pat and Lou