From nobody Mon Jul 4 19:53:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5805912D0BE; Mon, 4 Jul 2016 19:52:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.25.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160705025254.2518.78448.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2016 19:52:54 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-10.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2016 02:52:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking Use Cases Authors : Ethan Grossman Craig Gunther Pascal Thubert Patrick Wetterwald Jean Raymond Jouni Korhonen Yu Kaneko Subir Das Yiyong Zha Balázs Varga János Farkas Franz-Josef Goetz Juergen Schmitt Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-10.txt Pages : 72 Date : 2016-07-04 Abstract: This draft documents requirements in several diverse industries to establish multi-hop paths for characterized flows with deterministic properties. In this context deterministic implies that streams can be established which provide guaranteed bandwidth and latency which can be established from either a Layer 2 or Layer 3 (IP) interface, and which can co-exist on an IP network with best-effort traffic. Additional requirements include optional redundant paths, very high reliability paths, time synchronization, and clock distribution. Industries considered include wireless for industrial applications, professional audio, electrical utilities, building automation systems, radio/mobile access networks, automotive, and gaming. For each case, this document will identify the application, identify representative solutions used today, and what new uses an IETF DetNet solution may enable. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-10.txt Thread-Index: AQHR1mhXr35tB+8RnUGzMqBTG7SyyKAJJWbA Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2016 03:23:17 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20160705025254.2518.78448.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <20160705025254.2518.78448.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.207.133.62] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2016-07-05_01:, , signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-10.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , 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ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 100.15.89.178 X-Exim-ID: 1bL6n2-0000aG-Gx X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([11.4.0.238]) [100.15.89.178]:49029 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] architecture time in Berlin X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2016 10:44:26 -0000 Dan, A reasonable question. We've (at least I) have been holding off polling this and the data plane alternatives drafts until the terminology topic gets sorted. Basically I think it would cause more confusion than benefit to have multiple wg docs with conflicting definitions. we're close, but not there yet - and given that we're about ~1.5 weeks from the meeting, the on list polling will follow the meeting in berlin (I hope within days!) Lou On July 7, 2016 4:38:01 AM "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" wrote: > Hi, > > Do we need to wait for the Berlin meeting? Can't we rather start the call > for adoption on the mail list now, and discuss in Berlin only the open issues? > > We already had this discussion at IETF 95 > https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/95/minutes/minutes-95-detnet which ended with: > > - Lou Berger: Poll -- asks how many has read the arch doc. A good number. > - Lou Berger: Poll -- how many thinks it is a good basis for the WG > document. More. > - Lou Berger: ask Norm to do one more round to align with meeting > discussions and then will call for adoption. > > - Lou Berger: (to WG) when supporting adoption please mention what you want > addressed in the first WG rev. This raises the importance of the issue raised. > > The document was updated, we had enough discussions on the list, we can go > to the call of adoption without delay, so it seems to me. > > Regards, > > Dan > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Norman Finn >> (nfinn) >> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 9:52 PM >> To: Jouni Korhonen; Pat Thaler; Lou Berger >> Cc: detnet@ietf.org >> Subject: [Detnet] architecture time in Berlin >> >> Will want some time for architecture draft in Berlin, of course. 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Name: draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase Revision: 00 Title: Wind Park requirements for Detnet Document date: 2016-07-07 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 11 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-useca= se-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 Abstract: This document analyses the use case requirements for deterministic flows in a wind park network. It inlcudes the intra-domain and inter-domain requirements. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat --=20 Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to=20 professional secrecy. 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we have submitted the following dra= ft with a detailed use case study and the requirements from a wind park.=C2= =A0

kind regards,
Xavi

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Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Wind Park requirements for Detnet<= br> Document date:=C2=A0 2016-07-07
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Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document analyses the use case requirements for determini= stic
=C2=A0 =C2=A0flows in a wind park network.=C2=A0 It inlcudes the intra-doma= in and
=C2=A0 =C2=A0inter-domain requirements.




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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) From: Yu KANEKO In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 09:33:58 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <013F154F-6B2E-41D0-A03D-71CBFFA54CBD@toshiba.co.jp> References: To: zhayiyong X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] New Version Notification for draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model-00.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 00:34:06 -0000 Hello Yinlong, The flow traffic description stated in the section 3.2 seem to be able = to specify periodic burst traffic characteristics. On the other hand, I = think there are some cases applications don't know when it sends data. = For example, on detection of fire in building automation systems, some = critical packets is sent to fire shutters, sprinklers and alarms. Those = kind of event-driven packets should be dealt with high priority but = applications don't know when it occur. I'm interested in how to specify those event-driven packets in flow = information model. How do you think about this? Best Regards, Kaneko > 2016/07/11 18:30=E3=80=81zhayiyong = =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=EF=BC=9A >=20 > Hi Rodney, >=20 > Thank you for your comments. IMO, Qcc information such as = TrafficSpecification is useful for DetNet and should be included. DetNet = Flow model should define a set of information used for flow = establishment and control, reservation protocols and YANG data models. = It might be more than Qcc.=20 >=20 > Regards, > Yiyong >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rodney = Cummings > Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:17 AM > To: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Detnet] New Version Notification for = draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model-00.txt >=20 > Hello Yinlong, >=20 > You and others in DetNet might be interested in the information model = that has been in work in the IEEE 802.1 Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) = task group, as part of the 802.1Qcc amendment. I am the current editor = of 802.1Qcc. >=20 > The most recent draft of 802.1Qcc is: > = http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/cc-drafts/d1/802-1Qcc-d1-0.pdf > You can obtain the login to view drafts by subscribing to the 802.1 = mailing list: > http://www.ieee802.org/1/email-pages/eszelbig.html#spsub > or a web search for "802.1 information ietf" is likely to find it. >=20 > The specifications for the information model are all in "clause 99" = (you can ignore the rest). The overall goals and design seem to be = aligned with your draft. Specifically, the TrafficSpecification = (99.2.2.5) is designed to support both asynchronous and synchronous = (scheduled) traffic. >=20 > Feedback on the 802.1Qcc draft is welcomed, even if we decide not to = align that project with DetNet work. >=20 > Thanks, > --- > Rodney Cummings > Principal Software Architect, Industrial/Embedded Networks National = Instruments >=20 >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhayiyong >> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 5:12 AM >> To: detnet@ietf.org >> Subject: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for=20 >> draft-zha-detnet-flow- info-model-00.txt >>=20 >> Hi Folks=EF=BC=8C >>=20 >> There is a new draft detnet flow information model for your reading=20= >> pleasure. Hope we can discuss more on that. Thank you. >>=20 >> Regards, >> Yiyong >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:40 AM >> To: Liang Geng; 4c 69 61 6e 67 20 47 65 6e 67; zhayiyong;=20 >> Jiangyuanlong >> Subject: New Version Notification for=20 >> draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model- 00.txt >>=20 >>=20 >> A new version of I-D, draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model-00.txt >> has been successfully submitted by Yiyong Zha and posted to the IETF=20= >> repository. >>=20 >> Name: draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model >> Revision: 00 >> Title: Deterministic Networking Flow Information Model >> Document date: 2016-07-08 >> Group: Individual Submission >> Pages: 10 >> URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zha-detnet- >> flow-info-model-00.txt >> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zha-detnet-flow- >> info-model/ >> Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zha-detnet-flow-info- >> model-00 >>=20 >>=20 >> Abstract: >> Deterministic Networking (DetNet) provides end-to-end absolute >> delay and loss guarantee to serve real-time applications. DetNet >> is focused on a general approach that use techniques such as 1) >> data plane resources reservation for DetNet flows; 2) providing >> fixed path for DetNet flows; 3)sequentializng, replicating, and >> eliminating duplicate packets transmission [I-D.finn-detnet- >> architecture] to guarantee the worst case delay of DetNet flow >> while allow sharing among best effort traffic. Data flow >> information model is important to the DetNet work that it defines >> information be used by flow establishment and control protocols. >> This document describes and DetNet flow information model that >> represents the flow identifier, traffic description information so >> that can make resource reservation and provide differentiate >> service. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of=20 >> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at=20 >> tools.ietf.org. >>=20 >> The IETF Secretariat >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From 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[133.120.171.158] (ivpn-12-158.mobile.toshiba.co.jp [133.120.171.158]) by spiffy21.isl.rdc.toshiba.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8A9FBFF4D8; Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:14:35 +0900 (JST) Message-ID: <5784DF2C.1070906@toshiba.co.jp> Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 21:14:36 +0900 From: Yu Kaneko User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: zhayiyong References: <013F154F-6B2E-41D0-A03D-71CBFFA54CBD@toshiba.co.jp> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tsbmgw-mgw01.tsbmgw-mgw01.toshiba.co.jp id u6CCEbVg011260 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] New Version Notification for draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model-00.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Jul 2016 12:14:45 -0000 Dear Yiyong, I'm really sorry for my mistake in your name. And, thank you for your response. The approach you mentioned (putting an=20 identifier) makes sense to me. Thanks, Kaneko On 2016/07/12 18:25, zhayiyong wrote: > Hi Kaneko-san, > > Thank you for your comments. As you mentioned, synchronized traffic flo= w can be well described with traffic model. For event-driven packets or f= low, a predefined traffic model or traffic profile can be applied. For ex= ample, the traffic from a fire alarm sensor may be fixed with same number= of packets or same traffic pattern. So every time there is fire alarm, p= ut identifier on first packet, so the network can identify it is fire ala= rm and reserve resource as "fire alarm" traffic model. > Hope it make some sense. We need to take into account more scenarios. > BTW, there are two people, Yiyong and Yuanlong, I know it is confusing.= :) > > Regards, > Yiyong > > -----Original Message----- > From: Yu KANEKO [mailto:yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp] > Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:34 AM > To: zhayiyong > Cc: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Detnet] New Version Notification for draft-zha-detnet-flo= w-info-model-00.txt > > Hello Yinlong, > > The flow traffic description stated in the section 3.2 seem to be able = to specify periodic burst traffic characteristics. On the other hand, I t= hink there are some cases applications don't know when it sends data. For= example, on detection of fire in building automation systems, some criti= cal packets is sent to fire shutters, sprinklers and alarms. Those kind o= f event-driven packets should be dealt with high priority but application= s don't know when it occur. > > I'm interested in how to specify those event-driven packets in flow inf= ormation model. How do you think about this? > > Best Regards, > Kaneko > > >> 2016/07/11 18:30=E3=80=81zhayiyong =E3=81=AE=E3= =83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB=EF=BC=9A >> >> Hi Rodney, >> >> Thank you for your comments. IMO, Qcc information such as TrafficSpeci= fication is useful for DetNet and should be included. DetNet Flow model s= hould define a set of information used for flow establishment and control= , reservation protocols and YANG data models. It might be more than Qcc. >> >> Regards, >> Yiyong >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rodney >> Cummings >> Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2016 5:17 AM >> To: detnet@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Detnet] New Version Notification for >> draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model-00.txt >> >> Hello Yinlong, >> >> You and others in DetNet might be interested in the information model = that has been in work in the IEEE 802.1 Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) t= ask group, as part of the 802.1Qcc amendment. I am the current editor of = 802.1Qcc. >> >> The most recent draft of 802.1Qcc is: >> http://ieee802.org/1/files/private/cc-drafts/d1/802-1Qcc-d1-0.pdf >> You can obtain the login to view drafts by subscribing to the 802.1 ma= iling list: >> http://www.ieee802.org/1/email-pages/eszelbig.html#spsub >> or a web search for "802.1 information ietf" is likely to find it. >> >> The specifications for the information model are all in "clause 99" (y= ou can ignore the rest). The overall goals and design seem to be aligned = with your draft. Specifically, the TrafficSpecification (99.2.2.5) is des= igned to support both asynchronous and synchronous (scheduled) traffic. >> >> Feedback on the 802.1Qcc draft is welcomed, even if we decide not to a= lign that project with DetNet work. >> >> Thanks, >> --- >> Rodney Cummings >> Principal Software Architect, Industrial/Embedded Networks National >> Instruments >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of zhayiyong >>> Sent: Friday, July 8, 2016 5:12 AM >>> To: detnet@ietf.org >>> Subject: [Detnet] FW: New Version Notification for >>> draft-zha-detnet-flow- info-model-00.txt >>> >>> Hi Folks=EF=BC=8C >>> >>> There is a new draft detnet flow information model for your reading >>> pleasure. Hope we can discuss more on that. Thank you. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Yiyong >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >>> Sent: Friday, July 08, 2016 11:40 AM >>> To: Liang Geng; 4c 69 61 6e 67 20 47 65 6e 67; zhayiyong; >>> Jiangyuanlong >>> Subject: New Version Notification for >>> draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model- 00.txt >>> >>> >>> A new version of I-D, draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model-00.txt >>> has been successfully submitted by Yiyong Zha and posted to the IETF >>> repository. >>> >>> Name: draft-zha-detnet-flow-info-model >>> Revision: 00 >>> Title: Deterministic Networking Flow Information Model >>> Document date: 2016-07-08 >>> Group: Individual Submission >>> Pages: 10 >>> URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zha-detnet= - >>> flow-info-model-00.txt >>> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-zha-detnet-flo= w- >>> info-model/ >>> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-zha-detnet-flow-inf= o- >>> model-00 >>> >>> >>> Abstract: >>> Deterministic Networking (DetNet) provides end-to-end absolute >>> delay and loss guarantee to serve real-time applications. DetNet >>> is focused on a general approach that use techniques such as 1) >>> data plane resources reservation for DetNet flows; 2) providing >>> fixed path for DetNet flows; 3)sequentializng, replicating, and >>> eliminating duplicate packets transmission [I-D.finn-detnet- >>> architecture] to guarantee the worst case delay of DetNet flow >>> while allow sharing among best effort traffic. Data flow >>> information model is important to the DetNet work that it defines >>> information be used by flow establishment and control protocols. >>> This document describes and DetNet flow information model that >>> represents the flow identifier, traffic description information so >>> that can make resource reservation and provide differentiate >>> service. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >>> submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at >>> tools.ietf.org. >>> >>> The IETF Secretariat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> detnet mailing list >>> detnet@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > 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We would like to propose the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, narrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted from the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter. kind regards, Xavi *Xavier Vilajosana* *CIO* Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. 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following up from yeste= rday meeting. We would like to propose the inclusion of the wind farm use c= ase to the Detnet use cases.


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I find this is an excellent and very informative document. Regards, Pascal Le 19 juil. 2016 ? 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana > a ?crit : Dear Ethan, all following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the inclusion= of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, narrow = in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted from th= e study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a wind = farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that = matter. kind regards, Xavi Xavier Vilajosana CIO Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 [http://www.worldsensing.com/files/logo_WS.png] Arag?, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, fo= rwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. If you recei= ve this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its de= letion, together with any attached documents. Este correo electr?nico puede contener informaci?n estrictamente confidenci= al, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est? prohibida su difusi= ?n, copia, distribuci?n, reproducci?n, reenv?o o cualquier otro uso no auto= rizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos lo comunique = de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci?n, as? como de cualquier documento qu= e se adjunte. [http://www.worldsensing.com/files/logo_WS.png] Arag?, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, fo= rwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. If you recei= ve this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its de= letion, together with any attached documents. Este correo electr?nico puede contener informaci?n estrictamente confidenci= al, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est? prohibida su difusi= ?n, copia, distribuci?n, reproducci?n, reenv?o o cualquier otro uso no auto= rizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos lo comunique = de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci?n, as? como de cualquier documento qu= e se adjunte. _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet --_000_6A12D3ED9F764163B16610975D10C516ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informa= tive document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 à 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com> a é= crit :

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

Xavier Vilajosana
CIO

Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681



Aragó, 383, 4th floor
08013 Barcelona, Spain

9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair
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Pat Pat Kinney Kinney Consulting LLC IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair O: +1.847.960.3715 pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com = On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = wrote: I support this. I find this is an excellent and very informative document. Regards, Pascal Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana = > a = =C3=A9crit : > Dear Ethan, all >=20 > following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the = inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. >=20 > = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 = >=20 > We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, = narrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them = extracted from the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces = analysis from a wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have = any consideration on that matter. >=20 > kind regards, > Xavi > Xavier Vilajosana > CIO > Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 > Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 >=20 >=20 > Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor > 08013 Barcelona, Spain >=20 > 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair > London W1K 3AT, UK >=20 > This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to = professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, = reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly = prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us = immediately and arrange for its deletion, together with any attached = documents. >=20 >=20 > Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci=C3=B3n = estrictamente confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto = profesional. 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Est=C3=A1 prohibida su difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3= n, reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3=ADo o cualquier otro uso no autorizado. = En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos lo comunique de = inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como de cualquier = documento que se adjunte. > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet = _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet --Apple-Mail=_0375834B-63F4-47D0-821E-7F02907C499D Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 I also support the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the = Detnet use cases.

Pat

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On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, = Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative = document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com> a =C3=A9crit :

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to = propose the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use = cases.

https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-us= ecase-00

We consider it relevant, with a very well defined = application case, narrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, = all of them extracted from the study of the implemented standards (IEC) = and traces analysis from a wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

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We would like to propose the > inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 > > We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, narro= w > in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted from > the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a > wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration o= n > that matter. > > kind regards, > Xavi > > *Xavier Vilajosana* > *CIO* > > Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> > Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> > > > > Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor > 08013 Barcelona, Spain > > 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair > London W1K 3AT, UK > > > *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to > professional secrecy. 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On Tuesday, July 19, 201= 6, pat.kinney@kinneyc= onsultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote:
I also support the inclus= ion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

P= at

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ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
O: +1.= 847.960.3715

On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

Xavier Vilajosana
CIO

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--001a11410ed4a049bc0537fcb81b-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 07:22:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1220512E187 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:22:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vMxvLYyWD3Eh for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 07:22:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0A6EE12E25A for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 06:42:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=20616; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468935722; x=1470145322; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=icujgM93X/STdyReAd3o0MJryNpfNIlacQ6imEIE0M0=; b=NW92PT3YEz6NiowidRxGYydQ49K1bMSo6Nh3FaaObeE3F7eaDMrP14J4 TdbX9+bB+KxUT1hHbYcJpNmNoyLkmseovq6ffvCWYdtPhNsQvlpiZ6div Dwg5CDBNDzLRnQfPd02/GDBqCnoAYvh9OthuDNTRfjMV5lDhw1h8c65kb 4=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BRAgBOLY5X/4oNJK1ZA4JxTlZ8Brhhg?= =?us-ascii?q?XoihS5KAoEvOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEXAEBBQEBbAsOBAEIEQMBAigdEQsUCQgCBAE?= =?us-ascii?q?NBYgwDrxDAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBGAQFBoYfhE2EEAIOAwECOgELC?= =?us-ascii?q?ggJhRQFjkSFH4VBAYYSgnuFVIFrhFmIc5AdAR42g3NuhmEPFx9/AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,389,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="130347765" Received: from alln-core-5.cisco.com ([173.36.13.138]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA; 19 Jul 2016 13:42:01 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (xch-rtp-004.cisco.com [64.101.220.144]) by alln-core-5.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6JDg1JK025166 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:42:01 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-002.cisco.com (64.101.220.142) by XCH-RTP-004.cisco.com (64.101.220.144) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:42:00 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-002.cisco.com ([64.101.220.142]) by XCH-RTP-002.cisco.com ([64.101.220.142]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 09:42:00 -0400 From: "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" To: Thomas Watteyne , "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm Thread-Index: AQHR4bp+6RUg3XJ9XUSCFoUbbmO2haAf+66AgAAsDAA= Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:42:00 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.60.162.69] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3B3F9E752B4Amaseewalciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Xavier Vilajosana , Spiros Spirou , "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 14:22:07 -0000 --_000_D3B3F9E752B4Amaseewalciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable +1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automation a= nd protection scenarios. Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection schemas= in order to fulfill safety and system protection. BR. Maik From: Thomas Watteyne > Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04 To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" >, Xavier Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi= , Toktam" >, "K= ulkarni, Vivek" >, "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm +1 for including this use case On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com > wrote: I also support the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use ca= ses. Pat Pat Kinney Kinney Consulting LLC IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair O: +1.847.960.3715 pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: I support this. I find this is an excellent and very informative document. Regards, Pascal Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana > a =E9crit : Dear Ethan, all following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the inclusion= of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, narrow = in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted from th= e study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a wind = farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that = matter. kind regards, Xavi Xavier Vilajosana CIO Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 [X] Arag=F3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. 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+1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power aut= omation and protection scenarios.
Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection sc= hemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection.
BR. Maik

From: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04=
To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" &= lt;pat.kinney@kinneyc= onsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert@cisco.com>= , Xavier Vilajosana <xvi= lajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com= " <ethan.grossman@d= olby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Viv= ek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com= >, "detnet@ietf.org"= ; <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1 for including this use case

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrot= e:
I also support the inclusion of the win= d farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
O: +1.847.960.3715

On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@= cisco.com> wrote:

I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosa= na@worldsensing.com> a =E9crit :

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

Xavier Vilajosana CIO

Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681

Office:=  (+34) 93 418 05 85



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We would like to propose the >> inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 >> >> We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, >> narrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extract= ed >> from the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis fr= om >> a wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideratio= n >> on that matter. >> >> kind regards, >> Xavi >> >> *Xavier Vilajosana* >> *CIO* >> >> Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> >> Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> >> >> >> >> Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor >> 08013 Barcelona, Spain >> >> 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair >> London W1K 3AT, UK >> >> >> *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to >> professional secrecy. 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+1 to include the use case.

2016-07-19 15:04 GMT+02:00 Thomas Watt= eyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>:
+1 for including this use case


On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneycons= ultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote:
I also supp= ort the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.
Pat

Pat Kinney
K= inney Consulting LLC
IEEE 8= 02.15 WG vice chair, SC chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair

On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.c= om> wrote:

I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldse= nsing.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

Xavier Vilajosana
CIO

Mobile:=C2=A0(+34) 646 633 681

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To: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" , "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" , Thomas Watteyne , "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm Thread-Index: AQHR4Zo0uMWgKGnsw0G4yW8bPlIM2KAf54oAgAA/hQCAAAcqgIAACpEAgAAX3AD//6ZykA== Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:20:32 +0000 Message-ID: <1468948870703.11948@dolby.com> References: , <6AA232A3-F3E7-41FD-BD3D-478A87E89DA9@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <6AA232A3-F3E7-41FD-BD3D-478A87E89DA9@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.233.7.60] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_146894887070311948dolbycom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:, , definitions=2016-07-19_10:, , signatures=0 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Xavier Vilajosana , Spiros Spirou , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:21:30 -0000 --_000_146894887070311948dolbycom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Xavi et al, I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that the = Internet part has to be adapted. Presumably, once we agree on wording, the result will be that text from thi= s draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a new top = level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical Utilities section= . I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we had the X= ML text pretty much in shape in advance of that step. I think that is what = Lou was getting at when he was asking you for "proposed changes" (to the De= tNet Use Cases draft). That is, your proposed text adapted to match the for= m of a new section for the current draft. Then once that text was approved I could pretty much cut and paste it (in X= ML format) into the DetNet Use Cases draft. At that point you could leaving= your existing draft as a stand-alone document in its original form (e.g. w= ith its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use for that, = but otherwise that document would not be directly adopted by DetNet WG and = could be left to expire. My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it dive= rges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the Internet= - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else) know of any o= ther place in which this use case has expectations that are not currently s= atisfied by the list of "Common Themes" as presented in my Use Cases preso= slides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can consider them a= lso. Thanks again for contributing this work, I see it as entirely relevant to D= etNet and our existing use cases. Best, Ethan. ________________________________ From: Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM To: Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingll= c.com Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; Grossman, = Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm I=92ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the difference with= the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG docum= ent. Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already mentione= d, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job on s= ummarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use cases.= We need to look if it already covers your case. The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you list= ed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is out of= the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed. Thanks, Patrick From: detnet > on b= ehalf of "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" > Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42 To: Thomas Watteyne >, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: Pascal THUBERT >, Xavier = Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" >, "Kulkarni, Vive= k" >, "detnet@i= etf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm +1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automation a= nd protection scenarios. Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection schemas= in order to fulfill safety and system protection. BR. Maik From: Thomas Watteyne > Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04 To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" >, Xavier Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi= , Toktam" >, "K= ulkarni, Vivek" >, "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm +1 for including this use case On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com > wrote: I also support the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use ca= ses. Pat Pat Kinney Kinney Consulting LLC IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair O: +1.847.960.3715 pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wro= te: I support this. I find this is an excellent and very informative document. Regards, Pascal Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana a =E9crit : Dear Ethan, all following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the inclusion= of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, narrow = in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted from th= e study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a wind = farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that = matter. kind regards, Xavi Xavier Vilajosana CIO Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 [X] Arag=F3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, fo= rwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. 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Hello Xavi et al,


I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that t= he Internet part has to be adapted. 


Presumably, once we agree on wording, the result will be that text = from this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a = new top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical Util= ities section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we had the XML text pretty much in shape in = advance of that step. I think that is what Lou was getting at when he = was asking you for "proposed changes" (to the DetNet&nb= sp;Use Cases draft). That is, your proposed text adapted to = match the form of a new section for the current draft. 


Then once that text was approved I could pretty much cut and p= aste it (in XML format) into the DetNet Use Cases draft. At = that point you could leaving your existing draft as a stand-alone= document in its original form (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use for that, but otherwise that document w= ould not be directly adopted by DetNet WG and could be left to expire. = ;


My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it d= iverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the Inter= net - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else) know = of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not currently satisfied by the list of &quo= t;Common  Themes" as presented in my Use Cases preso sl= ides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can consider them also= . 


Thanks again for contrib= uting this work, I see it as entirely relevant to DetNet and our existing use cases.&= nbsp;


Best,

Ethan.

From: Patrick Wetterwald (p= wetterw) <pwetterw@cisco.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; pat.kinney@kinneyconsu= ltingllc.com
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; Gro= ssman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm
 
I=92ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the difference= with the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG = document.

Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already men= tioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job= on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use c= ases. We need to look if it already covers your case.

The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you= listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is o= ut of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed.

Thanks,

Patrick


From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "= ;Maik Seewald (maseewal)" <ma= seewal@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42=
To: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsul= tingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>
Cc: Pascal THUBERT <pthubert@cisco.com>, Xavier Vilajosana <= ;xvilajosana@worldsensing.c= om>, Spiros Spirou <= spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com= " <ethan.grossman@d= olby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Viv= ek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com= >, "detnet@ietf.org"= ; <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power aut= omation and protection scenarios.
Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection sc= hemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection.
BR. Maik

From: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04=
To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" &= lt;pat.kinney@kinneyc= onsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert@cisco.com>= , Xavier Vilajosana <xvi= lajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com= " <ethan.grossman@d= olby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Viv= ek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com= >, "detnet@ietf.org"= ; <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1 for including this use case

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrot= e:
I also support the inclusion of the win= d farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
O: +1.847.960.3715

On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote:

I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com> a =E9crit :

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

Xavier Vilajosana=
CIO

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--_000_146894887070311948dolbycom_-- From nobody Tue Jul 19 10:22:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD0912D7BA for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:22:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-i-c8Z6TcOB for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:21:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from alln-iport-3.cisco.com (alln-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.142.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA51512D179 for ; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 10:21:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=29435; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1468948918; x=1470158518; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=h4sH+VUG48mVA5nXRMGGZxt12KC6tKXvX2hUwPDGi5Q=; b=UjNyU+XMuUgsswGTQmZLd5tdLcLmxPbuFj8mIzyUcVX7xWOOdFe3WN++ CO50RxOO4+IT6IguJZ4AK/B/rByuKVqe7Pt0xVTdn1XlWWCtx8vQF09bY jSXZyLI9LrceFK6FZSLd1M/VjQGgyzeJdS0LctBlddr/bwBKVRB1Jz6Ai c=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0A6AgCVYI5X/51dJa1aA4JxTlZ8Brhmg?= =?us-ascii?q?XoihS5KAoExOBQBAQEBAQEBZSeEXAEBBQEBbAsOBAEIEQMBAiEHHRELFAkIAgQ?= =?us-ascii?q?BDQWIMA68bwEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARgEBQaGH4RNhBACDgMBAjoBC?= =?us-ascii?q?woICYUUBZNjhUEBhhKCe4VUgWuEWYhzkB0BHjaCCxyBTG6GYQ8XH38BAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,390,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="299021883" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by alln-iport-3.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 19 Jul 2016 17:21:57 +0000 Received: from XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (xch-rtp-003.cisco.com [64.101.220.143]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u6JHLuDY022626 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:21:57 GMT Received: from xch-rtp-002.cisco.com (64.101.220.142) by XCH-RTP-003.cisco.com (64.101.220.143) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:21:55 -0400 Received: from xch-rtp-002.cisco.com ([64.101.220.142]) by XCH-RTP-002.cisco.com ([64.101.220.142]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 19 Jul 2016 13:21:56 -0400 From: "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" To: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" , Thomas Watteyne , "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm Thread-Index: AQHR4bp+6RUg3XJ9XUSCFoUbbmO2haAf+66AgAAsDAD///ZhAIAARxIA Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:21:56 +0000 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <6AA232A3-F3E7-41FD-BD3D-478A87E89DA9@cisco.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.3.8.130913 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.60.162.69] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D3B42DA352B7Bmaseewalciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Xavier Vilajosana , Spiros Spirou , "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2016 17:22:03 -0000 --_000_D3B42DA352B7Bmaseewalciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable We can also fetch requirement, use cases and data model specifications fro= m already existing IEC specification, especially from the IEC 61400-25 seri= es. There is a lot of work already done. Best, Maik From: Patrick Wetterwald > Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 17:07 To: Cisco Employee >, Thomas = Watteyne >, "pat.= kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" = > Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" >, Xavier Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi= , Toktam" >, "K= ulkarni, Vivek" >, "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm I=92ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the difference with= the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG docum= ent. Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already mentione= d, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job on s= ummarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use cases.= We need to look if it already covers your case. The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you list= ed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is out of= the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed. Thanks, Patrick From: detnet > on b= ehalf of "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" > Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42 To: Thomas Watteyne >, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: Pascal THUBERT >, Xavier = Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" >, "Kulkarni, Vive= k" >, "detnet@i= etf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm +1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automation a= nd protection scenarios. Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection schemas= in order to fulfill safety and system protection. BR. Maik From: Thomas Watteyne > Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04 To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" >, Xavier Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi= , Toktam" >, "K= ulkarni, Vivek" >, "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm +1 for including this use case On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com > wrote: I also support the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use ca= ses. Pat Pat Kinney Kinney Consulting LLC IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair O: +1.847.960.3715 pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > wrote: I support this. I find this is an excellent and very informative document. Regards, Pascal Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana > a =E9crit : Dear Ethan, all following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the inclusion= of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, narrow = in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted from th= e study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a wind = farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that = matter. kind regards, Xavi Xavier Vilajosana CIO Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 [X] Arag=F3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, fo= rwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. If you recei= ve this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its de= letion, together with any attached documents. Este correo electr=F3nico puede contener informaci=F3n estrictamente confid= encial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=E1 prohibida su = difusi=F3n, copia, distribuci=F3n, reproducci=F3n, reenv=EDo o cualquier ot= ro uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos= lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=F3n, as=ED como de cual= quier documento que se adjunte. [X] Arag=F3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, fo= rwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. 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We can also fetch requirement, use cases and data model  specific= ations from already existing IEC specification, especially from the IEC 614= 00-25 series.
There is a lot of work already done. Best, Maik

From: Patrick Wetterwald <pwetterw@cisco.com>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 17:07=
To: Cisco Employee <maseewal@cisco.com>, Thomas Watteyne <<= a href=3D"mailto:thomas.watteyne@inria.fr">thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>= , "pat.kinney@ki= nneyconsultingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinne= yconsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert@cisco.com>= , Xavier Vilajosana <xvi= lajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com= " <ethan.grossman@d= olby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Viv= ek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com= >, "detnet@ietf.org"= ; <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

I=92ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the difference= with the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG = document.

Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already men= tioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job= on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use c= ases. We need to look if it already covers your case.

The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you= listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is o= ut of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed.

Thanks,

Patrick


From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "= ;Maik Seewald (maseewal)" <ma= seewal@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42=
To: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsul= tingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>
Cc: Pascal THUBERT <pthubert@cisco.com>, Xavier Vilajosana <= ;xvilajosana@worldsensing.c= om>, Spiros Spirou <= spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com= " <ethan.grossman@d= olby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Viv= ek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com= >, "detnet@ietf.org"= ; <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power aut= omation and protection scenarios.
Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection sc= hemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection.
BR. Maik

From: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04=
To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" &= lt;pat.kinney@kinneyc= onsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert@cisco.com>= , Xavier Vilajosana <xvi= lajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com= " <ethan.grossman@d= olby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Viv= ek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com= >, "detnet@ietf.org"= ; <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1 for including this use case

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrot= e:
I also support the inclusion of the win= d farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair
O: +1.847.960.3715

On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@= cisco.com> wrote:

I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosa= na@worldsensing.com> a =E9crit :

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

Xavier Vilajosana CIO

Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c18070d7dc8b05380e38f8 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Spiros Spirou , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Patrick Wetterwald \(pwetterw\)" , "Maik Seewald \(maseewal\)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , Thomas Watteyne , "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 09:57:05 -0000 --001a11c18070d7dc8b05380e38f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Ethan, Patrick, all, I propose the following: We will go through the Electrical Utilities use case and identify differences and information that can be augmented by our use case. We will also bring up the intra-domain aspects that we have identified. With that we will generate a summary so we can further discuss. Once we agree on the content we will provide the xml file with the right format so you can easily integrate. One think we consider very interesting from a use case document is that it brings the requirements to research and industrial communities. This is really key to drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and specially if this is also motivating the work in an standardization work group. In our case, we provide a particular description of the wind turbine components and the requirements between them. This is narrower than what is in the current Electrical Utilities section. I think that this information is still useful and we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a short subsection or somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied description of the system (which is different than other energy generation technologies e,g solar, thermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are slightly different. what do you think? kind regards, Xavi *Xavier Vilajosana* *CIO* Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its deletion, together with any attached documents.* *Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci=C3=B3n estrictamente confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=C3=A1 proh= ibida su difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3n, reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3=ADo= o cualquier otro uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como de= cualquier documento que se adjunte.* 2016-07-19 19:20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A. : > Hello Xavi et al, > > > I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that th= e > Internet part has to be adapted. > > > Presumably, once we agree on wording, the result will be that text from > this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a new > top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical Utilities > section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we > had the XML text pretty much in shape in advance of that step. I think th= at > is what Lou was getting at when he was asking you for > "proposed changes" (to the DetNet Use Cases draft). That is, > your proposed text adapted to match the form of a new section for the > current draft. > > > Then once that text was approved I could pretty much cut and paste it (in > XML format) into the DetNet Use Cases draft. At that point you could > leaving your existing draft as a stand-alone document in its original for= m > (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use f= or > that, but otherwise that document would not be directly adopted by DetNet > WG and could be left to expire. > > > My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it > diverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the > Internet - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else) kno= w > of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not > currently satisfied by the list of "Common Themes" as presented in my Us= e > Cases preso slides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can > consider them also. > > > Thanks again for contributing this work, I see it as entirely relevant to > DetNet and our existing use cases. > > > Best, > > Ethan. > ------------------------------ > *From:* Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM > *To:* Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; > pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com > *Cc:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; > Grossman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm > > I=E2=80=99ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the differe= nce with > the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG > document. > > Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already > mentioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellen= t > job on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big > use cases. We need to look if it already covers your case. > > The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you > listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is > out of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed. > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > > From: detnet on behalf of "Maik Seewald > (maseewal)" > Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42 > To: Thomas Watteyne , " > pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: Pascal THUBERT , Xavier Vilajosana < > xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou , > "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" > , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , > "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm > > +1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automation > and protection scenarios. > Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection > schemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection. > BR. Maik > > From: Thomas Watteyne > Date: Dienstag, 19. 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Dear Ethan, Patrick, all,

I propose the= following:

We will go through the Electrical Util= ities use case and identify differences and information that can be augment= ed by our use case. We will also bring up the intra-domain aspects that we = have identified. With that we will generate a summary so we can further dis= cuss. Once we agree on the content we will provide the xml file with the ri= ght format so you can easily integrate.

One think = we consider very interesting from a use case document is that it brings the= requirements to research and industrial communities. This is really key to= drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and specially if this= is also motivating the work in an standardization work group. In our case,= we provide a particular description of the wind turbine components and the= requirements between them. This is narrower than what is in the current El= ectrical Utilities section. I think that this information is still useful a= nd we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a short subsection or= somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied description of the system = (which is different than other energy generation technologies e,g solar, th= ermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are slightly different.

what do you think?

kind regards,Xavi


<= div dir=3D"ltr">

Xavier Vilajosana
CIO

Mobile:=C2= =A0(+34) 646 633 681

Office:=C2=A0(+34) 93 418 05 85



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2016-07-19 19:20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A= . <eagros@dolby.com>:

Hello Xavi et al,


I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that t= he Internet part has to be adapted.=C2=A0


Presumably, once we agree on wording,=C2=A0the result will be that text = from this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a = new top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical=C2=A0Util= ities section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we had the XML text pretty much in shape in = advance of that step. I think that is=C2=A0what Lou was getting at when he = was asking you for "proposed=C2=A0changes"=C2=A0(to the DetNet=C2= =A0Use Cases draft).=C2=A0That is, your=C2=A0proposed=C2=A0text adapted to = match the=C2=A0form of a new section for=C2=A0the current=C2=A0draft.=C2=A0


Then once that text was approved I=C2=A0could pretty much=C2=A0cut and p= aste it=C2=A0(in XML format)=C2=A0into the DetNet Use Cases=C2=A0draft. At = that point you could leaving your existing=C2=A0draft as a=C2=A0stand-alone= document in its original form (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use for that, but otherwise that document w= ould not be directly adopted by DetNet WG and could be left to expire.=C2= =A0


My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it d= iverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the Inter= net - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else)=C2=A0know = of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not currently satisfied by the list of &quo= t;Common=C2=A0=C2=A0Themes" as presented in my Use Cases preso=C2=A0sl= ides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can consider them also= .=C2=A0


Thanks again for contributing=C2=A0= this work, I see it as entirely relevant to DetNet and our existing use cases.= =C2=A0


Best,

Ethan.

From: Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) <pwetterw@cisco.com>=
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; pat.kinney@kinneyconsulti= ngllc.com
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; Gro= ssman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the diff= erence with the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in t= he WG document.

Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already men= tioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job= on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use c= ases. We need to look if it already covers your case.

The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you= listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is o= ut of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed.

Thanks,

Patrick


From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> = on behalf of "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" <maseewal@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42=
To: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr= >, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinne= yconsultingllc.com>
Cc: Pascal THUBERT <pthubert@cisco.com>, Xav= ier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telec= om.com>, "ethan.= grossman@dolby.com" <ethan.grossman@dolby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Tokta= m" <= toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Vivek" <vivekku= lkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automat= ion and protection scenarios.
Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection sc= hemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection.
BR. Maik

From: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inri= a.fr>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04=
To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingl= lc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert= @cisco.com>, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spir= os Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.= grossman@dolby.com" <ethan.grossman@dolby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Tokta= m" <= toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Vivek" <vivekku= lkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1 for including this use case

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com <pat.kinney= @kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote:
I also support the inclusion of the win= d farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

Pat

Pat Kinney
Kinney Consulting LLC
IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair
ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair


I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldse= nsing.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

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Thread-Topic: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm Thread-Index: AQHR4ZplQGkGL1YUwUuUvvvJTVGKX6AfUKoAgAA/hACAAAcrgIAACpEAgAAX3ACAACUzAIABFmWAgAAENACAADC9/A== Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:06:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <6AA232A3-F3E7-41FD-BD3D-478A87E89DA9@cisco.com> <1468948870703.11948@dolby.com> , In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-olx-disclaimer: Done Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_ej0854499idynh5fclav04pk1469012783540emailandroidcom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Spiros Spirou , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Maik Seewald \(maseewal\)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , Thomas Watteyne , "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2016 11:07:25 -0000 --_000_ej0854499idynh5fclav04pk1469012783540emailandroidcom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable To find the exact cause of vibration a very close correlation to the real w= orld actions is needed. I would not use a best effort sampling of me sure v= alues as in error situations this channel may not work and vibration could = be safety critical. Vibration is a hot topic in manufacturing as well. Karl Von meinem Samsung Ger=E4t gesendet. -------- Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht -------- Von: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" Datum: 20.07.16 06:12 (GMT-05:00) An: Xavier Vilajosana , "Grossman, Ethan A." = Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Spiros Spirou , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Maik= Seewald (maseewal)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , Thomas Watteyne , pat.kinney@kinne= yconsultingllc.com, detnet@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm Sounds perfect to me. 2 questions / remarks that I have: * The intra-domain / inter-domain need to be clearly specify. * Better distinguish the deterministic flows from best effort ones. For= instance =93protection=94 is clearly real time and deterministic (leading = to 4ms latency). Axle vibration is somewhere between best effort and real t= ime (leading more to seconds). Corrosion is clearly best effort. Happy to work with you to have this use case included :-) Thanks, Patrick From: Xavier Vilajosana > Date: Wednesday 20 July 2016 at 11:56 To: "Grossman, Ethan A." > Cc: pwetterw >, "Maik Seewald= (maseewal)" >, Thomas Wattey= ne >, "pat.kinney= @kinneyconsultingllc.com" >, = Pascal THUBERT >, Spiros Spir= ou >, "Mahmoodi= , Toktam" >, "K= ulkarni, Vivek" >, "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm Dear Ethan, Patrick, all, I propose the following: We will go through the Electrical Utilities use case and identify differenc= es and information that can be augmented by our use case. We will also brin= g up the intra-domain aspects that we have identified. With that we will ge= nerate a summary so we can further discuss. Once we agree on the content we= will provide the xml file with the right format so you can easily integrat= e. One think we consider very interesting from a use case document is that it = brings the requirements to research and industrial communities. This is rea= lly key to drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and special= ly if this is also motivating the work in an standardization work group. In= our case, we provide a particular description of the wind turbine componen= ts and the requirements between them. This is narrower than what is in the = current Electrical Utilities section. I think that this information is stil= l useful and we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a short sub= section or somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied description of t= he system (which is different than other energy generation technologies e,g= solar, thermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are slightly different. what do you think? kind regards, Xavi Xavier Vilajosana CIO Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 [http://www.worldsensing.com/files/logo_WS.png] Arag=F3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, fo= rwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. If you recei= ve this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its de= letion, together with any attached documents. Este correo electr=F3nico puede contener informaci=F3n estrictamente confid= encial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=E1 prohibida su = difusi=F3n, copia, distribuci=F3n, reproducci=F3n, reenv=EDo o cualquier ot= ro uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos= lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=F3n, as=ED como de cual= quier documento que se adjunte. 2016-07-19 19:20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A. >: Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG | Managing Director: Dipl. Phys. Hans Bec= khoff Registered office: Verl, Germany | Register court: Guetersloh HRA 7075 Hello Xavi et al, I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that the = Internet part has to be adapted. Presumably, once we agree on wording, the result will be that text from thi= s draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a new top = level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical Utilities section= . I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we had the X= ML text pretty much in shape in advance of that step. I think that is what = Lou was getting at when he was asking you for "proposed changes" (to the De= tNet Use Cases draft). That is, your proposed text adapted to match the for= m of a new section for the current draft. Then once that text was approved I could pretty much cut and paste it (in X= ML format) into the DetNet Use Cases draft. At that point you could leaving= your existing draft as a stand-alone document in its original form (e.g. w= ith its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use for that, = but otherwise that document would not be directly adopted by DetNet WG and = could be left to expire. My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it dive= rges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the Internet= - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else) know of any o= ther place in which this use case has expectations that are not currently s= atisfied by the list of "Common Themes" as presented in my Use Cases preso= slides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can consider them a= lso. Thanks again for contributing this work, I see it as entirely relevant to D= etNet and our existing use cases. Best, Ethan. ________________________________ From: Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) > Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM To: Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingll= c.com Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; Grossman, = Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm I=92ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the difference with= the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG docum= ent. Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already mentione= d, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job on s= ummarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use cases.= We need to look if it already covers your case. The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you list= ed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is out of= the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed. Thanks, Patrick From: detnet > on b= ehalf of "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" > Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42 To: Thomas Watteyne >, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: Pascal THUBERT >, Xavier = Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" >, "Kulkarni, Vive= k" >, "detnet@i= etf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm +1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automation a= nd protection scenarios. Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection schemas= in order to fulfill safety and system protection. BR. Maik From: Thomas Watteyne > Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04 To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" > Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" >, Xavier Vilajosana >, Spiros Spirou >, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" >, "Mahmoodi= , Toktam" >, "K= ulkarni, Vivek" >, "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm +1 for including this use case On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com > wrote: I also support the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use ca= ses. Pat Pat Kinney Kinney Consulting LLC IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair O: +1.847.960.3715 pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wro= te: I support this. I find this is an excellent and very informative document. Regards, Pascal Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana a =E9crit : Dear Ethan, all following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the inclusion= of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases. https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vilajosana-detnet-windfarm-usecase-00 We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, narrow = in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted from th= e study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a wind = farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that = matter. kind regards, Xavi Xavier Vilajosana CIO Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 [X] Arag=F3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to profe= ssional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, fo= rwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. 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To find the exact cause of vibration a very close correlation to the r= eal world actions is needed. I would not use a best effort sampling of me s= ure values as in error situations this channel may not work and vibration c= ould be safety critical.

Vibration is a hot topic in manufacturing as well.

Karl


Von meinem Samsung= Ger=E4t gesendet.


-------- Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" <pwetterw@cisco.com> <= br> Datum: 20.07.16 06:12 (GMT-05:00)
An: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, "Grossman,= Ethan A." <eagros@dolby.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>, Spiro= s Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" &l= t;toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" <ma= seewal@cisco.com>, "Kulkarni, Vivek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens= .com>, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com, detnet@ietf.org
Betreff: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm

Sounds perfect to me.

2 questions / remarks that I have:
  • The intra-domain / inter-domain need to be clearly specify.
  • Bet= ter distinguish the deterministic flows from best effort ones. For instance= =93protection=94 is clearly real time and deterministic (leading to 4ms la= tency). Axle vibration is somewhere between best effort and real time (lead= ing more to seconds). Corrosion is clearly best effort.
Happy to work with you to have this use case included  :-)

Thanks,

Patrick

From: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com&g= t;
Date: Wednesday 20 July 2016 at 11:= 56
To: "Grossman, Ethan A." = <eagros@dolby.com>
Cc: pwetterw <pwetterw@cisco.com>, "Maik Seewald (maseewa= l)" <maseewal@cisco.com&g= t;, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.= watteyne@inria.fr>, "pat.kinney@kin= neyconsultingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>, Pascal THUBERT &l= t;pthubert@cisco.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intrac= om-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarn= i, Vivek" <vivekkulkar= ni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

Dear Ethan, Patrick, all,

I propose the following:

We will go through the Electrical Utilities use case and identify diff= erences and information that can be augmented by our use case. We will also= bring up the intra-domain aspects that we have identified. With that we wi= ll generate a summary so we can further discuss. Once we agree on the content we will provide the xml file= with the right format so you can easily integrate.

One think we consider very interesting from a use case document is tha= t it brings the requirements to research and industrial communities. This i= s really key to drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and sp= ecially if this is also motivating the work in an standardization work group. In our case, we provide a parti= cular description of the wind turbine components and the requirements betwe= en them. This is narrower than what is in the current Electrical Utilities = section. I think that this information is still useful and we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a s= hort subsection or somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied descript= ion of the system (which is different than other energy generation technolo= gies e,g solar, thermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are slightly different.

what do you think?

kind regards,
Xavi


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2016-07-19 19:20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A= . <eagros@dolby.com<= /a>>:

B= eckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG | Managing Director: Dipl. Phys. Hans = Beckhoff
Registered office: Verl, Germany | Register court: Guetersloh HRA 7075

Hello Xavi et al,


I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that t= he Internet part has to be adapted. 


Presumably, once we agree on wording, the result will be that text = from this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a = new top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical Util= ities section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we had the XML text pretty much in shape in = advance of that step. I think that is what Lou was getting at when he = was asking you for "proposed changes" (to the DetNet&nb= sp;Use Cases draft). That is, your proposed text adapted to = match the form of a new section for the current draft. 


Then once that text was approved I could pretty much cut and p= aste it (in XML format) into the DetNet Use Cases draft. At = that point you could leaving your existing draft as a stand-alone= document in its original form (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use for that, but otherwise that document w= ould not be directly adopted by DetNet WG and could be left to expire. = ;


My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it d= iverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the Inter= net - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else) know = of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not currently satisfied by the list of &quo= t;Common  Themes" as presented in my Use Cases preso sl= ides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can consider them also= . 


Thanks again for contributing&nbs= p;this work, I see it as entirely relevant to DetNet and our existing use cases.&= nbsp;


Best,

Ethan.

From: Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) <pwetterw@cisco.com>=
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; Gro= ssman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org

Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm
 
I=92ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the difference= with the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG = document.

Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already men= tioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job= on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use c= ases. We need to look if it already covers your case.

The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you= listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is o= ut of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed.

Thanks,

Patrick



+1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power aut= omation and protection scenarios.
Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection sc= hemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection.
BR. Maik

From: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inri= a.fr>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04=
To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingl= lc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert= @cisco.com>, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" <<= a href=3D"mailto:ethan.grossman@dolby.com" target=3D"_blank">ethan.grossman= @dolby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Vi= vek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1 for including this use case

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com<= /a>> wrote:
I also support the inclusion of the win= d farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

Pat


I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =E0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensi= ng.com> a =E9crit :

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

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Hi

Having looked at the problem statement, use cas= e and architecture drafts, it is not clear to me how the work of the variou= s SDOs is intended to fit together. I fully understand that the IETF output= s should be useable with the output of any other SDO (eg the 802.1 TSN grou= p) but this makes the architecture so general it becomes difficult for a ne= wcomer to work out how the various=C2=A0outputs can be used to implement a = combined layer 2/3 system.

I believe the problem stateme= nt draft adequately explains the position with regard to the relationship, = but either the architecture or a seperate informational draft needs to arti= culate how the extensions to 802.1 are intended to dovetail with the output= s of detnet. If there are other significant layer 2 SDOs then the dovetaili= ng should be similarly explained for that context. Doing this also means th= at reviewers can better=C2=A0follow discussion and design=C2=A0threads betw= een the various working groups and better highlight when detnet can be asse= ssed to be done with a particular milestone, or are waiting on another SDO = for a resolution or pending update.

It will also h= elp with ensuring that [1] remains true.

Even thou= gh I am a newcomer to this particular corner of networking,=C2=A0I would be= very happy to work with the=C2=A0experts=C2=A0to propose and review text f= or this.

Best regards
John
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Hi Folks,

 

Just for your information that = we will have a demo tonight in BnB session. The demo is about mapping of fl= ow model to data model for data plane configuration. For this demo, we simu= late data plane as TSN Qbv and Qbu. Hope you enjoy.

 

Best,

Yiyong

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Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c0953fcc093b105388befe6 Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Spiros Spirou , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Patrick Wetterwald \(pwetterw\)" , "Maik Seewald \(maseewal\)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , Thomas Watteyne , "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" , "Grossman, Ethan A." , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2016 16:07:40 -0000 --94eb2c0953fcc093b105388befe6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Ethan, Patrick, all we have gone through the utility networks use case. We have identified the following possible fitting: In section 3.1.2 Generation Use Case. We propose to split it in 2 parts. 1- Control of the generated power 2- Control of the generation infrastructure The generation system, requires certain levels of QoS. As defined in the Wind Farm generation use case. Add it as an example. (at least the table in the wind farm use case + the figure with the different subsystems) We have also identified one more detail that may be important: This is a general requirement that may apply to other subsystems. In Table 7, communication requirements can be augmented by adding a limitation on consecutive packet losses. The rationale is that consecutive packet loss have impact to the operation of the system, and not only the probability of packet loss. In a Wind Farm the requirement is to receive at least one packet for each application cycle, otherwise the control system triggers an alarm. So, the maximum number of consecutive packet losses depends on the application cycle and the report frequency. When this happens, the SCADA system triggers an alarm to stop the turbine/generation system, even if the probability is below, e.g. the 0.1% presented in table 7. In the measured Wind Farm we found a 10-20 ms one way latency, the SCADA had an application cycle of 150ms which included some space for computational delays. The later gives an indication of the number of times a packet can be lost before the SCADA stops the system. As for the Inter-domain requirements (through Internet) we propose to add it as a new section and maybe point out whether Detnet addresses it or not. We are happy to participate in that discussion and bring in our vision about inter-domain requirements. kind regards, Xavi *Xavier Vilajosana* *CIO* Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its deletion, together with any attached documents.* *Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci=C3=B3n estrictamente confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=C3=A1 proh= ibida su difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3n, reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3=ADo= o cualquier otro uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como de= cualquier documento que se adjunte.* 2016-07-20 13:06 GMT+02:00 Karl Weber : > To find the exact cause of vibration a very close correlation to the real > world actions is needed. I would not use a best effort sampling of me sur= e > values as in error situations this channel may not work and vibration cou= ld > be safety critical. > > Vibration is a hot topic in manufacturing as well. > > Karl > > > Von meinem Samsung Ger=C3=A4t gesendet. > > > -------- Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht -------- > Von: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" > Datum: 20.07.16 06:12 (GMT-05:00) > An: Xavier Vilajosana , "Grossman, Ethan > A." > Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Spiros Spirou < > spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , > "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" < > vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, Thomas Watteyne , > pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com, detnet@ietf.org > Betreff: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm > > Sounds perfect to me. > > 2 questions / remarks that I have: > > - The intra-domain / inter-domain need to be clearly specify. > - Better distinguish the deterministic flows from best effort ones. > For instance =E2=80=9Cprotection=E2=80=9D is clearly real time and det= erministic (leading > to 4ms latency). Axle vibration is somewhere between best effort and r= eal > time (leading more to seconds). Corrosion is clearly best effort. > > Happy to work with you to have this use case included :-) > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > From: Xavier Vilajosana > Date: Wednesday 20 July 2016 at 11:56 > To: "Grossman, Ethan A." > Cc: pwetterw , "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" < > maseewal@cisco.com>, Thomas Watteyne , " > pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" , > Pascal THUBERT , Spiros Spirou < > spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , > "Kulkarni, Vivek" , "detnet@ietf.org" < > detnet@ietf.org> > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm > > Dear Ethan, Patrick, all, > > I propose the following: > > We will go through the Electrical Utilities use case and identify > differences and information that can be augmented by our use case. We wil= l > also bring up the intra-domain aspects that we have identified. With that > we will generate a summary so we can further discuss. Once we agree on th= e > content we will provide the xml file with the right format so you can > easily integrate. > > One think we consider very interesting from a use case document is that i= t > brings the requirements to research and industrial communities. This is > really key to drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and > specially if this is also motivating the work in an standardization work > group. In our case, we provide a particular description of the wind turbi= ne > components and the requirements between them. This is narrower than what = is > in the current Electrical Utilities section. I think that this informatio= n > is still useful and we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a > short subsection or somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied > description of the system (which is different than other energy generatio= n > technologies e,g solar, thermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are > slightly different. > > what do you think? > > kind regards, > Xavi > > > *Xavier Vilajosana* > *CIO* > > Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> > Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> > > > > Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor > 08013 Barcelona, Spain > > 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair > London W1K 3AT, UK > > > *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to > professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, > reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly > prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us > immediately and arrange for its deletion, together with any attached > documents.* > > *Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci=C3=B3n estrictamen= te > confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=C3=A1 pr= ohibida > su difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3n, reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3= =ADo o cualquier otro > uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos > lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como = de cualquier > documento que se adjunte.* > > 2016-07-19 19:20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A. : > > Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG | Managing Director: Dipl. Phys. Hans > Beckhoff > Registered office: Verl, Germany | Register court: Guetersloh HRA 7075 > > Hello Xavi et al, >> >> >> I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that >> the Internet part has to be adapted. >> >> >> Presumably, once we agree on wording, the result will be that text from >> this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a ne= w >> top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical Utilities >> section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we >> had the XML text pretty much in shape in advance of that step. I think t= hat >> is what Lou was getting at when he was asking you for >> "proposed changes" (to the DetNet Use Cases draft). That is, >> your proposed text adapted to match the form of a new section for the >> current draft. >> >> >> Then once that text was approved I could pretty much cut and paste it (i= n >> XML format) into the DetNet Use Cases draft. At that point you could >> leaving your existing draft as a stand-alone document in its original fo= rm >> (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use = for >> that, but otherwise that document would not be directly adopted by DetNe= t >> WG and could be left to expire. >> >> >> My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it >> diverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the >> Internet - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else) kn= ow >> of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not >> currently satisfied by the list of "Common Themes" as presented in my U= se >> Cases preso slides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can >> consider them also. >> >> >> Thanks again for contributing this work, I see it as entirely relevant >> to DetNet and our existing use cases. >> >> >> Best, >> >> Ethan. >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) >> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM >> *To:* Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; >> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com >> *Cc:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; >> Grossman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org >> >> *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >> >> I=E2=80=99ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the differ= ence with >> the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the WG >> document. >> >> Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already >> mentioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excelle= nt >> job on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big >> use cases. We need to look if it already covers your case. >> >> The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you >> listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is >> out of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Patrick >> >> >> From: detnet on behalf of "Maik Seewald >> (maseewal)" >> Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42 >> To: Thomas Watteyne , " >> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" >> Cc: Pascal THUBERT , Xavier Vilajosana < >> xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou = , >> "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "Mahmoodi, >> Toktam" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" < >> vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" >> Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >> >> +1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automatio= n >> and protection scenarios. >> Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection >> schemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection. >> BR. Maik >> >> From: Thomas Watteyne >> Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04 >> To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" < >> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> >> Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Xavier Vilajosana = < >> xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou = , >> "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "Mahmoodi, >> Toktam" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" < >> vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" >> Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >> >> +1 for including this use case >> >> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com < >> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote: >> >>> I also support the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet us= e >>> cases. >>> >>> Pat >>> >>> Pat Kinney >>> *Kinney Consulting LLC* >>> IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair >>> ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair >>> O: +1.847.960.3715 >>> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com >>> >>> On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>> wrote: >>> >>> I support this. >>> >>> I find this is an excellent and very informative document. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Pascal >>> >>> Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana < >>> xvilajosana@worldsensing.com> a =C3=A9crit : >>> >>> Dear Ethan, all >>> >>> following up from yesterday meeting. 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Dear Ethan, Patrick, all

we = have gone through the utility networks use case. We have identified the fol= lowing possible fitting:

In section 3.1.2 Generati= on Use Case.

We propose to split it in 2 parts.
1- Control of the generated power
2- Control of the gener= ation infrastructure
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The generation system, requires= certain levels of QoS. As defined in the Wind Farm generation use case.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Add it as an example. (at least the table in the wind = farm use case + the figure with the different subsystems)

We have also identified one more detail that may be important: This= is a general requirement that may apply to other subsystems.
In = Table 7, communication requirements can be augmented by adding a limitation= on consecutive packet losses. The rationale is that consecutive packet los= s have impact to the operation of the system, and not only the probability = of packet loss. In a Wind Farm the requirement is to receive at least one p= acket for each application cycle, otherwise the control system triggers an = alarm. So, the maximum number of consecutive packet losses depends on the a= pplication cycle and the report frequency. When this happens, the SCADA sys= tem triggers an alarm to stop the turbine/generation system, even if the pr= obability is below, e.g. the 0.1% presented in table 7.

In the measured Wind Farm we found a 10-20 ms one way latency, the SC= ADA had an application cycle of 150ms which included some space for computa= tional delays. The later gives an indication of the number of times a packe= t can be lost before the SCADA stops the system.=C2=A0

=
As for the Inter-domain requirements (through Internet) we propose to = add it as a new section and maybe point out whether Detnet addresses it or = not. We are happy to participate in that discussion and bring in our vision= about inter-domain requirements.=C2=A0

kind regar= ds,
Xavi

=

Xav= ier Vilajosana
CIO

Mobile:=C2= =A0(+34) 646 633 681

Office:=C2=A0(+34) 93 418 05 85



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2016-07-20 13:06 GMT+02:00 Karl Weber <karl.weber@beckhoff.com>:
To find the exact cause of vibration a very close correlation to the r= eal world actions is needed. I would not use a best effort sampling of me s= ure values as in error situations this channel may not work and vibration c= ould be safety critical.

Vibration is a hot topic in manufacturing as well.

Karl


Von meinem Samsung = Ger=C3=A4t gesendet.


-------- Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" <pwetterw@cisco.com>
Datum: 20.07.16 06:12 (GMT-05:00)
An: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, "Grossman, Etha= n A." <eagros= @dolby.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-= telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>= , "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" <maseewal@cisco.com>, "Kulkarni, Vivek&qu= ot; <vive= kkulkarni@siemens.com>, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>, pa= t.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com, detnet@ietf.org
Betreff: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm

Sounds perfect to me.

2 questions / remarks that I have:
  • The intra-domain / inter-domain need to be clearly specify.
  • Bet= ter distinguish the deterministic flows from best effort ones. For instance= =E2=80=9Cprotection=E2=80=9D is clearly real time and deterministic (leadi= ng to 4ms latency). Axle vibration is somewhere between best effort and rea= l time (leading more to seconds). Corrosion is clearly best effort.
Happy to work with you to have this use case included =C2=A0:-)

Thanks,

Patrick

From: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worl= dsensing.com>
Date: Wednesday 20 July 2016 at 11:= 56
To: "Grossman, Ethan A." = <eagros@dolby.com<= /a>>
Cc: pwetterw <pwetterw@cisco.com>, "Mai= k Seewald (maseewal)" <maseewal@cisco.com>, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr= >, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsulti= ngllc.com>, Pascal THUBERT <pthubert@cisco.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <= toktam.mahmo= odi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Vivek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>= ;, "detnet@ietf.org= " <detnet@= ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

Dear Ethan, Patrick, all,

I propose the following:

We will go through the Electrical Utilities use case and identify diff= erences and information that can be augmented by our use case. We will also= bring up the intra-domain aspects that we have identified. With that we wi= ll generate a summary so we can further discuss. Once we agree on the content we will provide the xml file= with the right format so you can easily integrate.

One think we consider very interesting from a use case document is tha= t it brings the requirements to research and industrial communities. This i= s really key to drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and sp= ecially if this is also motivating the work in an standardization work group. In our case, we provide a parti= cular description of the wind turbine components and the requirements betwe= en them. This is narrower than what is in the current Electrical Utilities = section. I think that this information is still useful and we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a s= hort subsection or somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied descript= ion of the system (which is different than other energy generation technolo= gies e,g solar, thermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are slightly different.

what do you think?

kind regards,
Xavi


Xavier = Vilajosana
CIO

Mobile:=C2=A0(+34) 646 633 681

Office:=C2=A0(+34) 93 418 05 85

=


Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor
08013=C2=A0Barcelona, Spain

9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair
London W1K 3AT, UK


This email may contain confidential information and may= be subject to professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distributi= on, reproduction,=C2=A0forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly= prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its=C2=A0deletion, = together with any attached documents.

Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci= =C3=B3n estrictamente confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profe= sional. Est=C3=A1 prohibida su=C2=A0difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3n= , reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3=ADo o cualquier otro uso no autorizado. En ca= so de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos lo=C2=A0comunique de inmedia= to y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como de cualquier documento qu= e se adjunte.

2016-07-19 19= :20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com<= /a>>:

Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG | Managing Director: Dipl. Phys= . Hans Beckhoff
Registered office: Verl, Germany | Register court: Guetersloh HRA 7075

Hello Xavi et al,


I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that t= he Internet part has to be adapted.=C2=A0


Presumably, once we agree on wording,=C2=A0the result will be that text = from this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a = new top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical=C2=A0Util= ities section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we had the XML text pretty much in shape in = advance of that step. I think that is=C2=A0what Lou was getting at when he = was asking you for "proposed=C2=A0changes"=C2=A0(to the DetNet=C2= =A0Use Cases draft).=C2=A0That is, your=C2=A0proposed=C2=A0text adapted to = match the=C2=A0form of a new section for=C2=A0the current=C2=A0draft.=C2=A0


Then once that text was approved I=C2=A0could pretty much=C2=A0cut and p= aste it=C2=A0(in XML format)=C2=A0into the DetNet Use Cases=C2=A0draft. At = that point you could leaving your existing=C2=A0draft as a=C2=A0stand-alone= document in its original form (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use for that, but otherwise that document w= ould not be directly adopted by DetNet WG and could be left to expire.=C2= =A0


My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it d= iverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the Inter= net - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else)=C2=A0know = of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not currently satisfied by the list of &quo= t;Common=C2=A0=C2=A0Themes" as presented in my Use Cases preso=C2=A0sl= ides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can consider them also= .=C2=A0


Thanks again for contributing=C2=A0= this work, I see it as entirely relevant to DetNet and our existing use cases.= =C2=A0


Best,

Ethan.

From: Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) <pwetterw@cisco.com>=
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; Gro= ssman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org

Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the diff= erence with the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in t= he WG document.

Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already men= tioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job= on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use c= ases. We need to look if it already covers your case.

The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you= listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is o= ut of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed.

Thanks,

Patrick



+1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automat= ion and protection scenarios.
Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection sc= hemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection.
BR. Maik

From: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inri= a.fr>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04=
To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingl= lc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert= @cisco.com>, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" <<= a href=3D"mailto:ethan.grossman@dolby.com" target=3D"_blank">ethan.grossman= @dolby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Vi= vek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1 for including this use case

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com<= /a>> wrote:
I also support the inclusion of the win= d farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

Pat


I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldse= nsing.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

kind regards,
Xavi

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<1468948870703.11948@dolby.com> <42B22186-FB7A-48EC-A3A3-904AF90CEB19@cisco.com> From: Xavier Vilajosana Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 15:35:20 +0200 Message-ID: To: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113dd88ac2ed8a05389e160f Archived-At: Cc: Karl Weber , "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Spiros Spirou , "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , "Maik Seewald \(maseewal\)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" , Thomas Watteyne , "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" , "Grossman, Ethan A." , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2016 13:35:29 -0000 --001a113dd88ac2ed8a05389e160f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Patrick, thanks for your quick action. I can send our current xml file and help on the merging if needed. Maybe I synchronize with him offline. thanks and kind regards, Xavi *Xavier Vilajosana* *CIO* Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor 08013 Barcelona, Spain 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair London W1K 3AT, UK *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us immediately and arrange for its deletion, together with any attached documents.* *Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci=C3=B3n estrictamente confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=C3=A1 proh= ibida su difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3n, reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3=ADo= o cualquier otro uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como de= cualquier documento que se adjunte.* 2016-07-27 15:32 GMT+02:00 Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) : > Hi Xavier, > > I agree with the approach. Let=E2=80=99s work on this direction. > > A few comments: > > - I saw the requirements for consecutive packet loss in the industrial > automation space. I guess that wind turbine is a mix of power automati= on > and industrial automation (rotating engine). I agree that we can add t= his > requirements in the table (s). In some cases it was hidden behind what= I > called =E2=80=9Crecovery time on node failure=E2=80=9D and the =E2=80= =9Chitless=E2=80=9D requirement but > let=E2=80=99s do it explicit. > - Inter-domain requirements: Personally, I would love to see it > addressed but more discussion needs to happen in the working group. > > I guess you will send an XML proposal to Ethan? > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > From: Xavier Vilajosana > Date: Tuesday 26 July 2016 at 17:55 > To: Karl Weber > Cc: pwetterw , "Grossman, Ethan A." , > Pascal THUBERT , Spiros Spirou < > spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , > "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" < > vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, Thomas Watteyne , " > pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" , > "detnet@ietf.org" > > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm > > Dear Ethan, Patrick, all > > we have gone through the utility networks use case. We have identified th= e > following possible fitting: > > In section 3.1.2 Generation Use Case. > > We propose to split it in 2 parts. > 1- Control of the generated power > 2- Control of the generation infrastructure > The generation system, requires certain levels of QoS. As defined in > the Wind Farm generation use case. > Add it as an example. (at least the table in the wind farm use case + > the figure with the different subsystems) > > We have also identified one more detail that may be important: This is a > general requirement that may apply to other subsystems. > In Table 7, communication requirements can be augmented by adding a > limitation on consecutive packet losses. The rationale is that consecutiv= e > packet loss have impact to the operation of the system, and not only the > probability of packet loss. In a Wind Farm the requirement is to receive = at > least one packet for each application cycle, otherwise the control system > triggers an alarm. So, the maximum number of consecutive packet losses > depends on the application cycle and the report frequency. When this > happens, the SCADA system triggers an alarm to stop the turbine/generatio= n > system, even if the probability is below, e.g. the 0.1% presented in tabl= e > 7. > > In the measured Wind Farm we found a 10-20 ms one way latency, the SCADA > had an application cycle of 150ms which included some space for > computational delays. The later gives an indication of the number of time= s > a packet can be lost before the SCADA stops the system. > > As for the Inter-domain requirements (through Internet) we propose to add > it as a new section and maybe point out whether Detnet addresses it or no= t. > We are happy to participate in that discussion and bring in our vision > about inter-domain requirements. > > kind regards, > Xavi > > *Xavier Vilajosana* > *CIO* > > Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> > Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> > > > > Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor > 08013 Barcelona, Spain > > 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair > London W1K 3AT, UK > > > *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to > professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, > reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly > prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us > immediately and arrange for its deletion, together with any attached > documents.* > > *Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci=C3=B3n estrictamen= te > confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=C3=A1 pr= ohibida > su difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3n, reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3= =ADo o cualquier otro > uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos > lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como = de cualquier > documento que se adjunte.* > > 2016-07-20 13:06 GMT+02:00 Karl Weber : > >> To find the exact cause of vibration a very close correlation to the rea= l >> world actions is needed. I would not use a best effort sampling of me su= re >> values as in error situations this channel may not work and vibration co= uld >> be safety critical. >> >> Vibration is a hot topic in manufacturing as well. >> >> Karl >> >> >> Von meinem Samsung Ger=C3=A4t gesendet. >> >> >> -------- Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht -------- >> Von: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" >> Datum: 20.07.16 06:12 (GMT-05:00) >> An: Xavier Vilajosana , "Grossman, Ethan >> A." >> Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Spiros Spirou < >> spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , >> "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" < >> vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, Thomas Watteyne , >> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com, detnet@ietf.org >> Betreff: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >> >> Sounds perfect to me. >> >> 2 questions / remarks that I have: >> >> - The intra-domain / inter-domain need to be clearly specify. >> - Better distinguish the deterministic flows from best effort ones. >> For instance =E2=80=9Cprotection=E2=80=9D is clearly real time and de= terministic (leading >> to 4ms latency). Axle vibration is somewhere between best effort and = real >> time (leading more to seconds). Corrosion is clearly best effort. >> >> Happy to work with you to have this use case included :-) >> >> Thanks, >> >> Patrick >> >> From: Xavier Vilajosana >> Date: Wednesday 20 July 2016 at 11:56 >> To: "Grossman, Ethan A." >> Cc: pwetterw , "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" < >> maseewal@cisco.com>, Thomas Watteyne , " >> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" = , >> Pascal THUBERT , Spiros Spirou < >> spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" , >> "Kulkarni, Vivek" , "detnet@ietf.org" < >> detnet@ietf.org> >> Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >> >> Dear Ethan, Patrick, all, >> >> I propose the following: >> >> We will go through the Electrical Utilities use case and identify >> differences and information that can be augmented by our use case. We wi= ll >> also bring up the intra-domain aspects that we have identified. With tha= t >> we will generate a summary so we can further discuss. Once we agree on t= he >> content we will provide the xml file with the right format so you can >> easily integrate. >> >> One think we consider very interesting from a use case document is that >> it brings the requirements to research and industrial communities. This = is >> really key to drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and >> specially if this is also motivating the work in an standardization work >> group. In our case, we provide a particular description of the wind turb= ine >> components and the requirements between them. This is narrower than what= is >> in the current Electrical Utilities section. I think that this informati= on >> is still useful and we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a >> short subsection or somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied >> description of the system (which is different than other energy generati= on >> technologies e,g solar, thermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are >> slightly different. >> >> what do you think? >> >> kind regards, >> Xavi >> >> >> *Xavier Vilajosana* >> *CIO* >> >> Mobile: (+34) 646 633 681 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> >> Office: (+34) 93 418 05 85 <%28%2B34%29%2093%20418%2005%2085> >> >> >> >> Arag=C3=B3, 383, 4th floor >> 08013 Barcelona, Spain >> >> 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair >> London W1K 3AT, UK >> >> >> *This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to >> professional secrecy. Its dissemination, copying, distribution, >> reproduction, forwarding or any other unauthorized use is strictly >> prohibited. If you receive this email in error, please notify us >> immediately and arrange for its deletion, together with any attached >> documents.* >> >> *Este correo electr=C3=B3nico puede contener informaci=C3=B3n estrictame= nte >> confidencial, y puede estar sometido al secreto profesional. Est=C3=A1 p= rohibida >> su difusi=C3=B3n, copia, distribuci=C3=B3n, reproducci=C3=B3n, reenv=C3= =ADo o cualquier otro >> uso no autorizado. En caso de recibir este correo por error, rogamos nos >> lo comunique de inmediato y proceda a su eliminaci=C3=B3n, as=C3=AD como= de cualquier >> documento que se adjunte.* >> >> 2016-07-19 19:20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A. : >> >> Beckhoff Automation GmbH & Co. KG | Managing Director: Dipl. Phys. Hans >> Beckhoff >> Registered office: Verl, Germany | Register court: Guetersloh HRA 7075 >> >> Hello Xavi et al, >>> >>> >>> I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that >>> the Internet part has to be adapted. >>> >>> >>> Presumably, once we agree on wording, the result will be that text from >>> this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a n= ew >>> top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical Utilities >>> section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if w= e >>> had the XML text pretty much in shape in advance of that step. I think = that >>> is what Lou was getting at when he was asking you for >>> "proposed changes" (to the DetNet Use Cases draft). That is, >>> your proposed text adapted to match the form of a new section for the >>> current draft. >>> >>> >>> Then once that text was approved I could pretty much cut and paste >>> it (in XML format) into the DetNet Use Cases draft. At that point you c= ould >>> leaving your existing draft as a stand-alone document in its original f= orm >>> (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use= for >>> that, but otherwise that document would not be directly adopted by DetN= et >>> WG and could be left to expire. >>> >>> >>> My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it >>> diverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the >>> Internet - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else) k= now >>> of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not >>> currently satisfied by the list of "Common Themes" as presented in my = Use >>> Cases preso slides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can >>> consider them also. >>> >>> >>> Thanks again for contributing this work, I see it as entirely relevant >>> to DetNet and our existing use cases. >>> >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Ethan. >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM >>> *To:* Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; >>> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com >>> *Cc:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; >>> Grossman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org >>> >>> *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >>> >>> I=E2=80=99ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the diffe= rence >>> with the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in the = WG >>> document. >>> >>> Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already >>> mentioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excell= ent >>> job on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the bi= g >>> use cases. We need to look if it already covers your case. >>> >>> The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you >>> listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it i= s >>> out of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> >>> From: detnet on behalf of "Maik Seewald >>> (maseewal)" >>> Date: Tuesday 19 July 2016 at 15:42 >>> To: Thomas Watteyne , " >>> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" >>> Cc: Pascal THUBERT , Xavier Vilajosana < >>> xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou , >>> "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "Mahmoodi, >>> Toktam" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" < >>> vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" >>> Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >>> >>> +1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power >>> automation and protection scenarios. >>> Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection >>> schemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection. >>> BR. Maik >>> >>> From: Thomas Watteyne >>> Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04 >>> To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" < >>> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> >>> Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , Xavier Vilajosana >>> , Spiros Spirou , >>> "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" , "Mahmoodi, >>> Toktam" , "Kulkarni, Vivek" < >>> vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" >>> Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm >>> >>> +1 for including this use case >>> >>> On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com < >>> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I also support the inclusion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet >>>> use cases. >>>> >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> Pat Kinney >>>> *Kinney Consulting LLC* >>>> IEEE 802.15 WG vice chair, SC chair >>>> ISA100 co-chair, ISA100.20 chair >>>> O: +1.847.960.3715 >>>> pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com >>>> >>>> On 19, Jul2016, at 3:51, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> I support this. >>>> >>>> I find this is an excellent and very informative document. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> Pascal >>>> >>>> Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana < >>>> xvilajosana@worldsensing.com> a =C3=A9crit : >>>> >>>> Dear Ethan, all >>>> >>>> following up from yesterday meeting. 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Hi Patrick,=C2=A0

thanks for your quick= action. I can send our current xml file and =C2=A0help on the merging if n= eeded. Maybe I synchronize with him offline.

thank= s and kind regards,
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2016-07-27 15:32 GMT+02:00 Patrick Wetterwal= d (pwetterw) <pwetterw@cisco.com>:
Hi Xavier,

I agree with the approach. Let=E2=80=99s work on this direction.

A few comments:
  • I saw the requirements for consecutive packet loss in the industrial au= tomation space. I guess that wind turbine is a mix of power automation and = industrial automation (rotating engine). I agree that we can add this requi= rements in the table (s). In some cases it was hidden behind what I called =E2=80=9Crecovery time on node fa= ilure=E2=80=9D and the =E2=80=9Chitless=E2=80=9D requirement but let=E2=80= =99s do it explicit.
  • Inter-domain requirements: Personally, I would= love to see it addressed but more discussion needs to happen in the workin= g group.
I guess you will send an XML proposal to Ethan?

Thanks,

Patrick

From: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worl= dsensing.com>
Date: Tuesday 26 July 2016 at 17:55=
To: Karl Weber <karl.weber@beckhoff.com>= ;
Cc: pwetterw <pwetterw@cisco.com>, "Gro= ssman, Ethan A." <eagros@dolby.com>, Pascal THUBERT <pthubert@cisco.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <= toktam.mahmo= odi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" <maseewal@cisco.com>, "Kulkarni, Vivek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, Thomas Watteyne <= ;thomas.watte= yne@inria.fr>, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>

Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

Dear Ethan, Patrick, all

we have gone through the utility networks use case. We have identified= the following possible fitting:

In section 3.1.2 Generation Use Case.

We propose to split it in 2 parts.
1- Control of the generated power
2- Control of the generation infrastructure
=C2=A0 =C2=A0The generation system, requires certain levels of QoS. As= defined in the Wind Farm generation use case.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Add it as an example. (at least the table in the wind far= m use case + the figure with the different subsystems)

We have also identified one more detail that may be important: This is= a general requirement that may apply to other subsystems.
In Table 7, communication requirements can be augmented by adding a li= mitation on consecutive packet losses. The rationale is that consecutive pa= cket loss have impact to the operation of the system, and not only the prob= ability of packet loss. In a Wind Farm the requirement is to receive at least one packet for each applicatio= n cycle, otherwise the control system triggers an alarm. So, the maximum nu= mber of consecutive packet losses depends on the application cycle and the = report frequency. When this happens, the SCADA system triggers an alarm to stop the turbine/generation system, = even if the probability is below, e.g. the 0.1% presented in table 7.

In the measured Wind Farm we found a 10-20 ms one way latency, the SCA= DA had an application cycle of 150ms which included some space for computat= ional delays. The later gives an indication of the number of times a packet= can be lost before the SCADA stops the system.=C2=A0

As for the Inter-domain requirements (through Internet) we propose to = add it as a new section and maybe point out whether Detnet addresses it or = not. We are happy to participate in that discussion and bring in our vision= about inter-domain requirements.=C2=A0

kind regards,
Xavi

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2016-07-20 13:06 GMT+02:00 Karl Weber <k= arl.weber@beckhoff.com>:
To find the exact cause of vibration a very close correlation to the r= eal world actions is needed. I would not use a best effort sampling of me s= ure values as in error situations this channel may not work and vibration c= ould be safety critical.

Vibration is a hot topic in manufacturing as well.

Karl


Von meinem Samsung = Ger=C3=A4t gesendet.


-------- Urspr=C3=BCngliche Nachricht --------
Von: "Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw)" <pwetterw@cisco.com>
Datum: 20.07.16 06:12 (GMT-05:00)
An: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, "Grossman, Etha= n A." <eagros= @dolby.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" <pthubert@cisco.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-= telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>= , "Maik Seewald (maseewal)" <maseewal@cisco.com>, "Kulkarni, Vivek&quo= t; <vivek= kulkarni@siemens.com>, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr>, pat= .kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com, detnet@ietf.org Betreff: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm

Sounds perfect to me.

2 questions / remarks that I have:
  • The intra-domain / inter-domain need to be clearly specify.
  • Bet= ter distinguish the deterministic flows from best effort ones. For instance= =E2=80=9Cprotection=E2=80=9D is clearly real time and deterministic (leadi= ng to 4ms latency). Axle vibration is somewhere between best effort and rea= l time (leading more to seconds). Corrosion is clearly best effort.
Happy to work with you to have this use case included =C2=A0:-)

Thanks,

Patrick

From: Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worl= dsensing.com>
Date: Wednesday 20 July 2016 at 11:= 56
To: "Grossman, Ethan A." = <eagros@dolby.com<= /a>>
Cc: pwetterw <pwetterw@cisco.com>, "Mai= k Seewald (maseewal)" <maseewal@cisco.com>, Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inria.fr= >, "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsulti= ngllc.com>, Pascal THUBERT <pthubert@cisco.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <= toktam.mahmo= odi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Vivek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>= ;, "detnet@ietf.org= " <detnet@= ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

Dear Ethan, Patrick, all,

I propose the following:

We will go through the Electrical Utilities use case and identify diff= erences and information that can be augmented by our use case. We will also= bring up the intra-domain aspects that we have identified. With that we wi= ll generate a summary so we can further discuss. Once we agree on the content we will provide the xml file= with the right format so you can easily integrate.

One think we consider very interesting from a use case document is tha= t it brings the requirements to research and industrial communities. This i= s really key to drive and motivate lots of research and innovations, and sp= ecially if this is also motivating the work in an standardization work group. In our case, we provide a parti= cular description of the wind turbine components and the requirements betwe= en them. This is narrower than what is in the current Electrical Utilities = section. I think that this information is still useful and we can discuss if this can be kept as an annex, as a s= hort subsection or somewhere else as gives an accurate and applied descript= ion of the system (which is different than other energy generation technolo= gies e,g solar, thermal, etc...) and hence the requirements are slightly different.

what do you think?

kind regards,
Xavi


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2016-07-19 19:20 GMT+02:00 Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com>= ;:

Beckho= ff Automation GmbH & Co. KG | Managing Director: Dipl. Phys. Hans Beckh= off
Registered office: Verl, Germany | Register court: Guetersloh HRA 7075

Hello Xavi et al,


I agree we should include this use case, and I agree with Patrick that t= he Internet part has to be adapted.=C2=A0


Presumably, once we agree on wording,=C2=A0the result will be that text = from this draft will be merged into the DetNet Use Cases draft as either a = new top level section or a sub-section of the existing Electrical=C2=A0Util= ities section. I can perform that integration step, but it would be nice if we had the XML text pretty much in shape in = advance of that step. I think that is=C2=A0what Lou was getting at when he = was asking you for "proposed=C2=A0changes"=C2=A0(to the DetNet=C2= =A0Use Cases draft).=C2=A0That is, your=C2=A0proposed=C2=A0text adapted to = match the=C2=A0form of a new section for=C2=A0the current=C2=A0draft.=C2=A0


Then once that text was approved I=C2=A0could pretty much=C2=A0cut and p= aste it=C2=A0(in XML format)=C2=A0into the DetNet Use Cases=C2=A0draft. At = that point you could leaving your existing=C2=A0draft as a=C2=A0stand-alone= document in its original form (e.g. with its current notion of use of the Internet) if you have a use for that, but otherwise that document w= ould not be directly adopted by DetNet WG and could be left to expire.=C2= =A0


My observation, along with Patrick, is that the only place in which it d= iverges from the current DetNet use cases is the integration with the Inter= net - however I will pose the question - do you (or anyone else)=C2=A0know = of any other place in which this use case has expectations that are not currently satisfied by the list of &quo= t;Common=C2=A0=C2=A0Themes" as presented in my Use Cases preso=C2=A0sl= ides at IETF 96? If so please let us know so that we can consider them also= .=C2=A0


Thanks again for contributing=C2=A0= this work, I see it as entirely relevant to DetNet and our existing use cases.= =C2=A0


Best,

Ethan.

From: Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) <pwetterw@cisco.com>=
Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 8:07 AM
To: Maik Seewald (maseewal); Thomas Watteyne; pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com
Cc: Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Xavier Vilajosana; Spiros Spirou; Gro= ssman, Ethan A.; Mahmoodi, Toktam; Kulkarni, Vivek; detnet@ietf.org

Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use case wind farm
=C2=A0
I=E2=80=99ll be happy to work with you in defining / refining the diff= erence with the Electrical utility use cases that are already included in t= he WG document.

Wind farms are a specific generation use case and, as Maik already men= tioned, derived from power automation scenarios. Ethan did an excellent job= on summarising the requirements in a bullet list for each of the big use c= ases. We need to look if it already covers your case.

The interesting part (at least for me) is the use of Internet that you= listed in your draft. My current understanding from the WG is that it is o= ut of the scope of Detnet. Lets discuss it if this has to be changed.

Thanks,

Patrick



+1; The underlying requirements are derived from typical power automat= ion and protection scenarios.
Windpark communication needs high availability to ensure protection sc= hemas in order to fulfill safety and system protection.
BR. Maik

From: Thomas Watteyne <thomas.watteyne@inri= a.fr>
Date: Dienstag, 19. Juli 2016 15:04=
To: "pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingl= lc.com" <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com>
Cc: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)= " <pthubert= @cisco.com>, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>, Spiros Spirou <spis@intracom-telecom.com>, "ethan.grossman@dolby.com" <<= a href=3D"mailto:ethan.grossman@dolby.com" target=3D"_blank">ethan.grossman= @dolby.com>, "Mahmoodi, Toktam" <toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk>, "Kulkarni, Vi= vek" <vivekkulkarni@siemens.com>, "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet use ca= se wind farm

+1 for including this use case

On Tuesday, July 19, 2016, pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com <pat.kinney@kinneyconsultingllc.com<= /a>> wrote:
I also support the inclusion of the win= d farm use case to the Detnet use cases.

Pat


I support this.

I find this is an excellent and very informative document.

Regards,

Pascal

Le 19 juil. 2016 =C3=A0 10:48, Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldse= nsing.com> a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:

Dear Ethan, all

following up from yesterday meeting. We would like to propose the incl= usion of the wind farm use case to the Detnet use cases.


We consider it relevant, with a very well defined application case, na= rrow in scope but with a wide set of requirements, all of them extracted fr= om the study of the implemented standards (IEC) and traces analysis from a = wind farm in Denmark. Please, let us know if you have any consideration on that matter.

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Xavi

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From nobody Fri Jul 29 10:23:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE3EC12D97B; Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:23:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160729172317.26953.70177.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 10:23:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] The DETNET WG has placed draft-finn-detnet-architecture in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 17:23:18 -0000 The DETNET WG has placed draft-finn-detnet-architecture in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Lou Berger) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-finn-detnet-architecture/ Comment: IPR poll initiated: https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00669.html 3 outstanding responses: Norman Finn Pascal Thubert Michael Johas Teener From nobody Fri Jul 29 12:08:29 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA22912D158; 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