From nobody Thu Aug 4 06:08:14 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46B0E12D53D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 06:08:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.807 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.807 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.287, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id u5qqdmRjesSP for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com [173.37.86.76]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 808AE12B04D for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 06:08:10 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=16941; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1470316090; x=1471525690; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:mime-version; bh=dNEXmXqqMn1G1jfrGUGP01XCsRAPs5NGYQKPf7Rwa1o=; b=S+S3/QI81pUhg4LbHd3LMD1ifUvNUhlBcftTIPFhZX3eU/mCyovQd6sM bh80fK6Bc0UUHoWGe9FOJduw3A3sq1e+57xW7RAxWPilJqBpcoHfrVSkK Vwcr7gVqYZkk58nUzvBVfG20ZQk6eIAwk8SQjJzWYABhwp0LOr8q1R+9Y g=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0BcAgBMPaNX/51dJa1dgndOVoEDqCyQa?= =?us-ascii?q?IF9hh0CHIE2OBQBAQEBAQEBXSeEXwEFLUwQAgEIRgIwJQIEAQ0NiCm+aAEBAQE?= =?us-ascii?q?BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBARwRhhmETYobBZNxhUMBjnqBcoRbiHqQJwEeNoN6h?= =?us-ascii?q?zx/AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,470,1464652800"; d="scan'208,217";a="134195244" Received: from rcdn-core-6.cisco.com ([173.37.93.157]) by rcdn-iport-5.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 04 Aug 2016 13:08:09 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-002.cisco.com (xch-rcd-002.cisco.com [173.37.102.12]) by rcdn-core-6.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u74D89B7026713 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:08:09 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-002.cisco.com (173.37.102.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:08:08 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:08:08 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: ??? , "Toerless Eckert (eckert)" Thread-Topic: I have some question for your draft. Thread-Index: AQHR4aJrz2FH6jBEx0O0vFWPY92wOKA42ACg Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:07:44 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 13:07:17 +0000 Message-ID: <2b428b440c3f44dcb44865e2ec12add3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> References: <98CC147D-AF3C-41AF-8BED-4FA5EC483FB0@etri.re.kr> In-Reply-To: <98CC147D-AF3C-41AF-8BED-4FA5EC483FB0@etri.re.kr> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, OOF, AutoReply X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.243.98] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_2b428b440c3f44dcb44865e2ec12add3XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: ??? , "detnet@ietf.org" , "bier\(mailer list\)" , "draft-eckert-bier-te-arch@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] I have some question for your draft. 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Hello Yeon= cheol

 = ;

Thanks for= raising the point.

 = ;

I agree th= at there is a discrepancy but I think the detnet dataplane draft is correct= and we need to work on the BIER-TE side.

 = ;

Please see= below :

 = ;

As we discussed yesterday evening after the D= etNet session, I am sending you my comment on the example shown in detent-dp-alt draft.

 

 

In page 32 of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-01, repl= ication node A sends duplicated packets to nodes B and C. The packet going = to node B has BitString =3D 00011110 and the packet goin= g to node C has BitString =3D 01001110. 

 

But, according to the BIER-TE forwarding proc= ess (draft-eckert-bier-te-arch-03, p12), node A must reset both p2 and p4 i= n BitString before sending. Then, nodes B and C will receive the same bitString 00001110.

 

I think you are referring to the text =A1=B0=

 
   Before
   sending any copy, the BFR resets all BitPositions in the =
BitString of
   the packet to which it can create a copy.  This is d=
one to inhibit
   that packets can loop.

 

 =A1=B0 and =A1=B0
 
 
   BFR3 sees a BitString of p5,p7,p8,p10,p11,p12.  It i=
s only interested

   in p1,p7,p8. = It creates a copy of the packet to BFER1 (due to p7)

   and one to BFR4 (d= ue to p8).  It resets p7, p8 before sending.

=A1=B0

 

DetNet needs BIER-TE to operate as de= scribed in the DetNet dataplane draft. A bit is reset when sending on the r= elated adjacency. This is how the DetNet draft obtains traceability: the bits setting indicate which copy this is, by who= m to whom, in a unique fashion. This is also how DetNet figures the transmi= ssion failures: if the bit arrives reset at destination, it means that this= transmission worked over that adjacency. So with the DetNet operation, BFR3 resets p7 in the copy to BFER1 and rese= ts p8 in the copy to BFR4.

 

OTOH I think that the DetNet operatio= n fits the needs of BIER-TE to avoid loops. Once a packet has flown over an= adjacency, it will not fly there again. So I think the change should be done on the BIER-TE draft. What do the authors = think?

 

Pascal

 

--_000_2b428b440c3f44dcb44865e2ec12add3XCHRCD001ciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Aug 4 08:14:36 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B3012D1E0 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:14:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NpsK4z0Cnlwm for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with SMTP id 55FB812D100 for ; Thu, 4 Aug 2016 08:14:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14345 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 2016 15:14:29 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO cmgw4) (10.0.90.85) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 2016 15:14:29 -0000 Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id T3ER1t00K2SSUrH013EUQ0; Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:14:29 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=TIHWFTVa c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=-NfooI8aBGcA:10 a=uEJ9t1CZtbIA:10 a=7z1cN_iqozsA:10 a=Z8nB16ns5_iz39InSy8A:9 a=7Zwj6sZBwVKJAoWSPKxL6X1jA+E=:19 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=uQda8apAT8ZuCvLxPQFr4rl1oo5q5mUfQ6pTRWCLf8M=; b=fBgDOe5X1dJxQr/LDBPyUUmopL ERGUw0ZcbcNRYJFvHFIZvaAbnZuaHRZWTtvYFa1L2AFxCCnMoJpWux30OleWLvzmDwFalXVHS9gpW OK+ib10FPTsn9RbKqyZ+lubsy; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:59321 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bVKLp-0003JP-1x; Thu, 04 Aug 2016 09:14:25 -0600 To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , ??? , "Toerless Eckert (eckert)" References: <98CC147D-AF3C-41AF-8BED-4FA5EC483FB0@etri.re.kr> <2b428b440c3f44dcb44865e2ec12add3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2016 11:14:06 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <2b428b440c3f44dcb44865e2ec12add3@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1bVKLp-0003JP-1x X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:59321 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: ??? , "detnet@ietf.org" , "bier\(mailer list\)" , "draft-eckert-bier-te-arch@tools.ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] I have some question for your draft. X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2016 15:14:35 -0000 Pascal, I'm responding to a couple of comments in your mail -- and out of order. On 8/4/2016 9:07 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: ... > DetNet needs BIER-TE ... ... I have to disagree with this statement. It's not at all clear or agreed upon that DetNet *needs* BIER. While we haven't formally started the data plane selection discussion/process In DetNet, as discussed in Berlin, the *likely* DetNet data plane solutions include RTP/IP/PW/MPLS (no stacking or specific encap implied) and not any existing or new form of BIER. It is of course valid to document any capabilities and limitation of BIER/BIER-TE in the data plane options document, as this will help inform the WG's selection process -- but the informational options document really isn't the place to be defining new data plane mechanisms. > ... I think the detnet dataplane draft is correct and we need to work > on the BIER-TE side. > > > I think this is right. Discussion on what changes are needed for BIER/BIER to support DetNet requirements should happen on the "the BIER-TE side", i.e., in the BIER WG. So no need to cross post these discussion to DetNet. Thanks, Lou (as DetNet Co-Chair) From nobody Tue Aug 9 14:37:00 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F0412D185 for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:36:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id akUXN0sp2pWG for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:36:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x22f.google.com (mail-it0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1C86912D15A for ; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id x130so27225978ite.1 for ; Tue, 09 Aug 2016 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GPLrxYoZWWabt3bBlsOlvtSxDtb/ruzqppeoXai8X6w=; b=cqq80cHlEDs4sVunRPEloWUM7cI1NHfJ+3gDtgJXiKroFSnu3eO97vZ7H+md/3ZRrb 4hNDO6jOq8crhQ5ZxcJoTPZKgm8sOYjDjXGHA49P21nCRfLD3WVrEOPcoEUNfAZ4tZSS Aen60JboLyIFvF8O/Scr945L/eIGdMFSb6BjI= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=GPLrxYoZWWabt3bBlsOlvtSxDtb/ruzqppeoXai8X6w=; b=ANrqLNhXEituN3ucL9acHwMw7ykpZzTpyd1fezZHTtRlXVxh4ctV8Y/3/YDq3BSK/B s+zeDcv6XqCkeOpSAJTJ+Ed3I7d/5sMTrVk77PvdEmWYwX2d249GZQtP4rkGxbnNuora BdcCW0iVC4lHWTRWh1dIkwmMNGWOdWMSwg8rMTTgarjP6t7tESvYdmDRYOVQfBps5MB3 7PgmKGy7nmKRPy5wrTdBb4mKHhIVOOsqzBZvs0ZAYtZjgPjCII4Pr9Ci04Knu1cE3Muk 9mmzdV2mtEJNc6O0cOEWGTZ5YmfvhiDiFjtfWFVsjOj8XI7rPGTVvfaT3Qtpi+VSofrV UkWQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvY6gb9XUqhspyUtwYBLSIy9cXf8awnqKNMTz0AeHP6Lzb7RY3nteAWD7LzZuXFoxzFNKimm1ZfBDGxenqA X-Received: by 10.36.115.5 with SMTP id y5mr27874493itb.63.1470778616155; Tue, 09 Aug 2016 14:36:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.36.26.145 with HTTP; Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:36:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Thaler Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:36:55 -0700 Message-ID: To: jouni.nospam@gmail.com, =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A1nos_Farkas?= , gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com, "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , "Zhuangyan (Yan)" , Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144990af6634f0539aa54ed Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, DetNet Chairs Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 21:36:59 -0000 --001a1144990af6634f0539aa54ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
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"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

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appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
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If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
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PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.






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[166.137.177.96]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t80sm58253951pfj.38.2016.08.09.14.48.10 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Tue, 09 Aug 2016 14:48:10 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1B96842D-C72F-4E6F-B8A2-FAF751BE3A64 Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: "Jouni.nosmap" X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13G34) In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2016 14:48:09 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <61BF5756-2412-4953-9DE7-1B2F92024E3F@gmail.com> References: To: Pat Thaler Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Lou Berger , gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com, =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=A1nos_Farkas?= , DetNet Chairs , detnet@ietf.org, "Zhuangyan \(Yan\)" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 21:48:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail-1B96842D-C72F-4E6F-B8A2-FAF751BE3A64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Jouni Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos.. > On Aug 9, 2016, at 14:36, Pat Thaler wrote: > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > > > --Apple-Mail-1B96842D-C72F-4E6F-B8A2-FAF751BE3A64 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft

Jouni

Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos..

On Aug 9, 2016, at 14:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> wrote:

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

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List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2016 22:25:50 -0000 --047d7bd91a668ade420539ab031b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft El ago 9, 2016 5:50 PM, "Gregory Mirsky" escribi=C3=B3: > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > *From:* Pat Thaler [mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:37 PM > *To:* jouni.nospam@gmail.com; Janos Farkas ; > Gregory Mirsky ; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < > pthubert@cisco.com>; Zhuangyan (Yan) ; Lou > Berger > *Cc:* DetNet Chairs ; detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. 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For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > --047d7bd91a668ade420539ab031b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft<= /p>


El ago 9, 2016 5:= 50 PM, "Gregory Mirsky" <gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com> escribi=C3=B3:

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to th= is draft.

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From: Pat Thaler [mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.= com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 09, 2016 2:37 PM
To: joun= i.nospam@gmail.com; Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com>; Gregory Mir= sky <gr= egory.mirsky@ericsson.com>; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; Z= huangyan (Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>
Cc: DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; detnet@ietf.org
Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

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Authors, Contributors= , WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S<= br> TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wik= i/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
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Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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Hello Pat

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies = to this draft"
Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compli= ance with IETF IPR rules"

Regards,

Pascal

Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> a =E9crit :

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/= group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

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--_000_44CEE37C569E42D280D89C02095DEFA9ciscocom_-- From nobody Wed Aug 10 00:16:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A870112D512; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 00:16:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.768 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.768 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.247, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7-ROp526zCA8; Wed, 10 Aug 2016 00:16:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-3.cisco.com [173.37.86.74]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4397012D1DA; 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" , "jouni.nospam@gmail.com" , "gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_Farkas?= , DetNet Chairs , Lou Berger , "Zhuangyan \(Yan\)" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 07:16:54 -0000 Please disregard this; Regards, Pascal > Le 10 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 08:53, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) a =E9crit : >=20 > Hello Lou >=20 > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. >=20 > Regards, >=20 > Pascal >=20 >> Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler a =E9cr= it : >>=20 >> No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Wed Aug 10 01:48:17 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559EB12B039; 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boundary="_000_1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302XCHRCD001ciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" , "jouni.nospam@gmail.com" , "gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?J=E1nos_Farkas?= , DetNet Chairs , Lou Berger , "Zhuangyan \(Yan\)" Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2016 08:48:16 -0000 --_000_1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Damn, I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I'll update the= chairs when it is. Cheers, Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16 To: Pat Thaler Cc: Lou Berger ; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@e= ricsson.com; J=E1nos Farkas ; DetNet Chairs ; detnet@ietf.org; Zhuangyan (Yan) Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 Hello Pat "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" Regards, Pascal Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler > a =E9crit : Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, DetNet WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. --_000_1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Damn,

 

I rechecked and the IPR is being publ= ished but was not yet. I’ll update the chairs when it is.<= /span>

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16
To: Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Cc: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gre= gory.mirsky@ericsson.com; J=E1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>;= DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; detnet@ietf.org; Zhuangyan (= Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Hello Pat<= /p>

"Yes, I'm aware of = IPR that applies to this draft"

Yes, the IPR has been di= sclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

 

Regards,

 

Pascal


Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> a =E9crit :

Authors, Contributors= , WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Int= ellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.




 

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The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Thu Aug 11 15:59:55 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1DD612D801 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:59:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.22 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.22 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DfavWEuOr765 for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sesbmg22.ericsson.net (sesbmg22.ericsson.net [193.180.251.48]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DC38212D52C for ; Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:59:51 -0700 (PDT) X-AuditID: c1b4fb30-ea88e980000009f9-e4-57ad0365a143 Received: from ESESSHC003.ericsson.se (Unknown_Domain [153.88.183.27]) by (Symantec Mail Security) with SMTP id F1.56.02553.5630DA75; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:59:49 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [100.94.48.123] (153.88.183.153) by smtp.internal.ericsson.com (153.88.183.29) with Microsoft SMTP Server id 14.3.301.0; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:59:30 +0200 References: To: From: =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=a1nos_Farkas?= Message-ID: <7287bb30-d871-f5df-4c13-fda2126d5fc3@ericsson.com> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2016 00:59:30 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------4573F52F203E9FC8C1336819" X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFtrKLMWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7tG4q89pwg1m/1Sx+f5rN4sDosWTJ T6YAxigum5TUnMyy1CJ9uwSujI5zM5kKdmlX/Lo/lbmB8aFcFyMnh4SAicTZXdtZuhi5OIQE 1jNKbJ/8mRkkISSwmlFi1o04EFtYwFzi86pvbBDxAIk1d+4ygtgiAqISJ6Z0soPYbAL2Encv bQDr5QWy9/RsZQKxWQRUJdqWfGXtYuTgEBWIkVjflwBRIihxcuYTFhCbUyBQ4uj632DjmQXC JDrvXGOEWKUm8entQ/YJjHyzkLTMQlIGYVtIzJx/HsqWl9j+dg4zhK0h0TpnLjuy+AJGtlWM osWpxUm56UZGeqlFmcnFxfl5enmpJZsYgYF5cMtvgx2ML587HmIU4GBU4uFV2LsmXIg1say4 MvcQowQHs5II79b/QCHelMTKqtSi/Pii0pzU4kOM0hwsSuK8/i8Vw4UE0hNLUrNTUwtSi2Cy TBycUg2M+pcD/xu7GG7L3HLz93lh92ybI2wf1iwt9rfpamKedFCGq3Lv9A/xXat5zl/WWX+6 qd38oR47l1CAUHzEnti7y1dsmLD1VVrWbjHpvOsFbken/6jpie9q+jDnX2XtubTdKhOX/nit XMGn8GCZhpWNfqDMjGPx8QnWpVm9mZ0cWbvdRHcaihYpsRRnJBpqMRcVJwIAl8NMAEgCAAA= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2016 22:59:54 -0000 --------------4573F52F203E9FC8C1336819 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Janos On 8/9/2016 11:36 PM, Pat Thaler wrote: > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty > . > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > > > --------------4573F52F203E9FC8C1336819 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft.
Janos

On 8/9/2016 11:36 PM, Pat Thaler wrote:
Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.







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This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for traceability and OAM man= agement. What's presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an outline, but the= re is IPR related to that outline, which is not (yet) in a referenceable dr= aft, so I had to announce it here. I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement (since draft 0= 0) was due to the informational nature of this draft, making terms a bit mo= re complex to decide. The ask from the chairs triggered the decision and pu= re RAND terms were published, to fulfill IETF expectations. If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I'll take this design to= BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the terms for standard= track will be at least as good as the RAND here, and probably better, in t= he line of Cisco's behavior WRT to IPR statements for standard track. Cheers, Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 10:48 To: Pat Thaler Cc: detnet@ietf.org; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com; J= =E1nos Farkas ; DetNet Chairs ; Lou Berger ; Zhuangyan (Yan) Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 Damn, I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I'll update the= chairs when it is. Cheers, Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16 To: Pat Thaler > Cc: Lou Berger >; jouni.nospam@gm= ail.com; gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com; J=E1nos Farkas >; DetNet Chairs >; detnet@ietf.org; Zhuan= gyan (Yan) = > Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 Hello Pat "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" Regards, Pascal Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler > a =E9crit : Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, DetNet WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. --_000_545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear chairs and all:

 

(I’m not a lawyer, so please ma= ke you own opinion on the below)

 

The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2= 844/) was posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for traceabi= lity and OAM management.

 

What’s presented in draft-dt-de= tnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an outline, but there is IPR related to that outli= ne, which is not (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here.

 

I was explained that the delay to pub= lish this IPR statement (since draft 00) was due to the informational natur= e of this draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND te= rms were published, to fulfill IETF expectations.

 

If DetNet expresses interest in the a= pproach, then I’ll take this design to BIER for standard track work, = and I understand that the terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND here, and probably better, in the line of = Cisco’s behavior WRT to IPR statements for standard track.=

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@= ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 10:48
To: Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@ericsson= .com; J=E1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chairs <d= etnet-chairs@ietf.org>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; Zhuangyan (= Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Damn,

 

I rechecked and the IPR is being publ= ished but was not yet. I’ll update the chairs when it is.<= /span>

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16
To: Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Cc: Lou Berger <lberg= er@labn.net>; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com; J=E1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chairs <detnet= -chairs@ietf.org>; detnet@ietf.org; Zhu= angyan (Yan) <zhu= angyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Hello Pat<= /p>

"Yes, I'm aware of = IPR that applies to this draft"

Yes, the IPR has been di= sclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

 

Regards,

 

Pascal

Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> a =E9crit :

Authors, Contributors= , WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Int= ellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.


 

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This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. What do you think? Lou On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Dear chairs and all: > > > > (I’m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the below) > > > > The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was posted > as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for traceability > and OAM management. > > > > What’s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an outline, > but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not (yet) in a > referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here. > > > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement (since > draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this draft, making > terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the chairs triggered > the decision and pure RAND terms were published, to fulfill IETF > expectations. > > > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I’ll take this > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND here, > and probably better, in the line of Cisco’s behavior WRT to IPR > statements for standard track. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Pascal > Thubert (pthubert) > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 10:48 > *To:* Pat Thaler > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com; János Farkas ; > DetNet Chairs ; Lou Berger ; > Zhuangyan (Yan) > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > Damn, > > > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I’ll > update the chairs when it is. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Pascal > Thubert (pthubert) > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 09:16 > *To:* Pat Thaler > > *Cc:* Lou Berger >; > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > János Farkas >; DetNet Chairs > >; > detnet@ietf.org ; Zhuangyan (Yan) > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > Hello Pat > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > > > Regards, > > > > Pascal > > > Le 9 août 2016 à 23:36, Pat Thaler > a écrit : > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not > listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed > above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > --------------D5D34F8191C1371521655446 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Pascal,

    Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference it?

This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html :
    The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or
    MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the
    possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition.

What do you think?

Lou

On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:

Dear chairs and all:

 

(I’m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the below)

 

The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/) was posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for traceability and OAM management.

 

What’s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here.

 

I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were published, to fulfill IETF expectations.

 

If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I’ll take this design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco’s behavior WRT to IPR statements for standard track.

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 10 août 2016 10:48
To: Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com; János Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; Zhuangyan (Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Damn,

 

I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I’ll update the chairs when it is.

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 10 août 2016 09:16
To: Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Cc: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com; János Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; detnet@ietf.org; Zhuangyan (Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Hello Pat

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"

 

Regards,

 

Pascal


Le 9 août 2016 à 23:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> a écrit :

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.


 


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Cer= tainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the draft has a metric for it, = we're covered there I think. The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on real har= dware; it "exists", works, and it is not mature. And it can do things that = we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control for the Replicati= on function, and I've not seen mature technologies with equivalent capabili= ties already built in. So I'd keep the section for completeness in the DetN= et work. If based on that work, interest is raised at the DetNet WG to inte= grate this technology with the solution, then we will have substantial moti= vation for BIER work, as yes, I'll be happy to contribute to the draft that= you are suggesting. If not, we'll have a transparent proof that the techno= logy was visible to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivatio= n for spending BIER cycles. Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable information = in such a catalog. There's probably IPR on most if not all the technologies= discussed in the document, but for the most part it is a lot, lot harder t= o figure... I do not think that we are at the stage of building a solution = and list all the IPR that gets dragged along with that solution. We have to= admit that IPR there will be, and do our best in due time to ensure that t= his IPR follows IETF requirements. What do others think? Pascal From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] Sent: vendredi 12 ao=FBt 2016 14:07 To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 Pascal, Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to it's = own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference it? This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least I ex= pected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from https://www.ietf.or= g/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. What do you think? Lou On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: Dear chairs and all: (I'm not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the below) The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/) was posted as p= romised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for traceability and OAM man= agement. What's presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an outline, but the= re is IPR related to that outline, which is not (yet) in a referenceable dr= aft, so I had to announce it here. I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement (since draft 0= 0) was due to the informational nature of this draft, making terms a bit mo= re complex to decide. The ask from the chairs triggered the decision and pu= re RAND terms were published, to fulfill IETF expectations. If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I'll take this design to= BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the terms for standard= track will be at least as good as the RAND here, and probably better, in t= he line of Cisco's behavior WRT to IPR statements for standard track. Cheers, Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 10:48 To: Pat Thaler Cc: detnet@ietf.org; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com; J=E1nos Farkas ; DetNet Chairs ; Lou Berger ; Zhuan= gyan (Yan) Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 Damn, I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I'll update the= chairs when it is. Cheers, Pascal From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (= pthubert) Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16 To: Pat Thaler > Cc: Lou Berger >; jouni.nospam@gm= ail.com; gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com; J=E1nos Farkas >; DetNet Chairs >; detnet@ietf.org; Zhuan= gyan (Yan) = > Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 Hello Pat "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" Regards, Pascal Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler > a =E9crit : Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, DetNet WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. --_000_e2c8d670a3d64d2497ba63bbb4512077XCHRCD001ciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello Lou:

 

Fair question;

 

I like the current form of the draft = since it is a one stop shopping for selecting technology to achieve the var= ious results that the data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies to get there are. Certainly, th= e DT is sensitive to maturity and the draft has a metric for it, we’r= e covered there I think.

 

The technology described in the BIER-= TE section has been tested on real hardware; it “exists”, works= , and it is not mature. And it can do things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control for the Replication functi= on, and I’ve not seen mature technologies with equivalent capabilitie= s already built in. So I’d keep the section for completeness in the D= etNet work. If based on that work, interest is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the solution,= then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as yes, I’ll= be happy to contribute to the draft that you are suggesting. If not, we= 217;ll have a transparent proof that the technology was visible to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation fo= r spending BIER cycles.

 

Also I think that having clarity on I= PR is actually a valuable information in such a catalog. There’s prob= ably IPR on most if not all the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it is a lot, lot harder to figure&#= 8230; I do not think that we are at the stage of building a solution and li= st all the IPR that gets dragged along with that solution. We have to admit= that IPR there will be, and do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF requirements. =

 

What do others think?

 

Pascal

 

From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
Sent: vendredi 12 ao=FBt 2016 14:07
To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; DetNet Cha= irs <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Pascal,

    Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of= the text to it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" = draft reference it?

This would actually b= ring the document more in line with what at least I expected as the DT outp= ut when the DT was chartered, from https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html = :
    The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or=
    MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered a= s the
    possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane defini= tion.

What do you think?

Lou

On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrot= e:

Dear chairs and all:

 

(I’m not a lawyer, so please ma= ke you own opinion on the below)

 

The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2= 844/) was posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for traceabi= lity and OAM management.

 

What’s presented in draft-dt-de= tnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an outline, but there is IPR related to that outli= ne, which is not (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here.

 

I was explained that the delay to pub= lish this IPR statement (since draft 00) was due to the informational natur= e of this draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND te= rms were published, to fulfill IETF expectations.

 

If DetNet expresses interest in the a= pproach, then I’ll take this design to BIER for standard track work, = and I understand that the terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND here, and probably better, in the line of = Cisco’s behavior WRT to IPR statements for standard track.

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 10:48
To: Pat Thaler &l= t;pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com; J=E1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@erics= son.com>; DetNet Chairs <detnet-chairs@ietf.or= g>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>= ; Zhuangyan (Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang= @huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Damn,

 

I rechecked and the IPR is being publ= ished but was not yet. I’ll update the chairs when it is.=

 

Cheers,

 

Pascal

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
Sent: mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16
To: Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Cc: Lou Berger <lberg= er@labn.net>; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; gregory.mirsky@erics= son.com; J=E1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chairs <detnet= -chairs@ietf.org>; detnet@ietf.org; Zhu= angyan (Yan) <zhu= angyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02

 

Hello Pat<= /p>

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this dra= ft"

Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with I= ETF IPR rules"

 

Regards,

 

Pascal

Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> a =E9crit :

Authors, Contributors= , WG,

As part of the preparation for WG Adoption

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate.

If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author and listed
contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S
TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Int= ellectualProperty.

Thank you,
DetNet WG Chairs

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.



 

 

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Regarding IPR on draft-finn-detnet-architecture-07 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:22:21 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Cheers Bala'zs -----Original Message----- From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 7:20 PM To: Norman Finn (nfinn) ; Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; Michael Johas Teener Cc: DetNet WG ; DetNet Chairs Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-finn-detnet-architecture-07 Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of the preparation for WG Adoption Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the abo= ve by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware o= f any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until = a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOTE:= THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, DetNet WG Chairs PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Tue Aug 16 07:24:19 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 644C312D850; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:24:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: IETF Secretariat To: , , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147135745737.22847.1683838554901322706.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:24:17 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] The DETNET WG has placed draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt in state "Candidate for WG Adoption" X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:24:17 -0000 The DETNET WG has placed draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt in state Candidate for WG Adoption (entered by Lou Berger) The document is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt/ Comment: see https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00675.html Responses expected from jouni.nospam at gmail.com, János Farkas , gregory.mirsky at ericsson.com, "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , " Zhuangyan (Yan)" , Lou Berger From nobody Tue Aug 16 07:49:08 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D676312D876 for ; 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Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:43389 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1bZffk-0002dK-28; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 08:48:56 -0600 To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , DetNet Chairs , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:48:47 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1bZffk-0002dK-28 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:43389 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:49:07 -0000 All, I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question of if the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the IPR disclosure discussed below) (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not within the charter of any IETF WG Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. Lou PS: As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consensus. As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive in surveying current options, but don't think this is the right document to define solutions. On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Hello Lou: > > > > Fair question; > > > > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the > draft has a metric for it, we’re covered there I think. > > > > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on > real hardware; it “exists”, works, and it is not mature. And it can do > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control > for the Replication function, and I’ve not seen mature technologies > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I’d keep the section > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as > yes, I’ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are suggesting. > If not, we’ll have a transparent proof that the technology was visible > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for > spending BIER cycles. > > > > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable > information in such a catalog. There’s probably IPR on most if not all > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it > is a lot, lot harder to figure… I do not think that we are at the > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF > requirements. > > > > What do others think? > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > *Sent:* vendredi 12 août 2016 14:07 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs > ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > Pascal, > > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference it? > > This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. > > What do you think? > > Lou > > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Dear chairs and all: > > > > (I’m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the below) > > > > The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for > traceability and OAM management. > > > > What’s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here. > > > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were published, > to fulfill IETF expectations. > > > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I’ll take this > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco’s behavior WRT to > IPR statements for standard track. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 10:48 > *To:* Pat Thaler > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org ; > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > János Farkas > ; DetNet Chairs > ; Lou > Berger ; Zhuangyan > (Yan) > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > Damn, > > > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I’ll > update the chairs when it is. > > > > Cheers, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 09:16 > *To:* Pat Thaler > > *Cc:* Lou Berger >; > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > János Farkas >; DetNet Chairs > >; > detnet@ietf.org ; Zhuangyan (Yan) > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > Hello Pat > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > > > > Regards, > > > > Pascal > > > Le 9 août 2016 à 23:36, Pat Thaler > a écrit : > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified > above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to > the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and > listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are > not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations > under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if > you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs > listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in > your > response. > > > > > > > From nobody Tue Aug 16 07:56:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD4312D88F; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:55:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.769 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.769 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-1.247, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kGqoDTu908Jh; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:55:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com [173.37.86.72]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44BAF12D889; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 07:55:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10382; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1471359353; x=1472568953; h=from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:references: in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=j2NlKuieUGv9UEXcJM6ZAvTbwujpEUWY7FMgJT1xJzg=; b=hw7DR+Ou9ylvUpMKZ5/nZqLReZOu1lLY41g3qGz+jGNPUUXtzbP66j1T umMnxaxIHa5tzbZ7NT2jKNQFfTagadY4PVt3x6DZPDvuG6A/yihjyulTc douKqAyiE5yvq2fYCoo6VdcbzkDwCfBZzfYduZ/CNN4yfq+SZIVsTDTNI k=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0DvAgDgKLNX/5hdJa1eg0VWfAetGIoZg?= =?us-ascii?q?g+BfSSFL0oCgVQ4FAIBAQEBAQEBXieEXgEBBAF0BQwEAgEIDgMEAQEBIwQHIRE?= =?us-ascii?q?UCQgCBAENBQgTh3wDDwgOuXANhC0BAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEBAQEchiqDS?= =?us-ascii?q?oEDgkOBTxACAU2FDB0FihyEOookEzQBhh2GOoI6gXJOhA6IfoZlgUuECIN3AR4?= =?us-ascii?q?2gkWBNW4Bhhd/AQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.28,529,1464652800"; d="scan'208";a="141878834" Received: from rcdn-core-1.cisco.com ([173.37.93.152]) by rcdn-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 16 Aug 2016 14:55:51 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (xch-rcd-001.cisco.com [173.37.102.11]) by rcdn-core-1.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id u7GEtprd025852 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:55:51 GMT Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com (173.37.102.11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1210.3; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:55:50 -0500 Received: from xch-rcd-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) by XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com ([173.37.102.11]) with mapi id 15.00.1210.000; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 09:55:50 -0500 From: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" To: Lou Berger , DetNet Chairs , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) Thread-Index: AQHR981VBAg2ujqFBkGaLc24ZtDME6BLrByg Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:55:48 +0000 Deferred-Delivery: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:54:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.61.230.189] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 14:55:56 -0000 I'd take the (a) train, Lou. I think the reader needs to understand what's doable. Cheers, Pascal > -----Original Message----- > From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > Sent: mardi 16 ao=FBt 2016 16:49 > To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs chairs@ietf.org>; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > Cc: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re= : > Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) >=20 > All, >=20 > I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question of if th= e WG > document on Data Plane Alternatives should: >=20 > (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the IPR > disclosure discussed below) >=20 > (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document >=20 > (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not with= in the > charter of any IETF WG >=20 > Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. >=20 > Lou >=20 > PS: > As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF p= rocess > perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consensus. > As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive i= n > surveying current options, but don't think this is the right document to = define > solutions. >=20 > On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Hello Lou: > > > > > > > > Fair question; > > > > > > > > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping > > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the > > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies > > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the > > draft has a metric for it, we're covered there I think. > > > > > > > > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on > > real hardware; it "exists", works, and it is not mature. And it can do > > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control > > for the Replication function, and I've not seen mature technologies > > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I'd keep the section > > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest > > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the > > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as > > yes, I'll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are suggesting. > > If not, we'll have a transparent proof that the technology was visible > > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for > > spending BIER cycles. > > > > > > > > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable > > information in such a catalog. There's probably IPR on most if not all > > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it > > is a lot, lot harder to figure. I do not think that we are at the > > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged > > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and > > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF > > requirements. > > > > > > > > What do others think? > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=FBt 2016 14:07 > > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs > > ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Pascal, > > > > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to > > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference it? > > > > This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least > > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : > > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or > > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the > > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Lou > > > > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Dear chairs and all: > > > > > > > > (I'm not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the below) > > > > > > > > The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for > > traceability and OAM management. > > > > > > > > What's presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an > > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not > > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here. > > > > > > > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement > > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this > > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the > > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were published, > > to fulfill IETF expectations. > > > > > > > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I'll take this > > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the > > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND > > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco's behavior WRT to > > IPR statements for standard track. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 10:48 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org ; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > > J=E1nos Farkas > > ; DetNet Chairs > > ; Lou > > Berger ; Zhuangyan > > (Yan) > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Damn, > > > > > > > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I'll > > update the chairs when it is. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > *Cc:* Lou Berger >; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > > J=E1nos Farkas > >; DetNet Chairs > > >; > > detnet@ietf.org ; Zhuangyan (Yan) > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Hello Pat > > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rul= es" > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler > > a =E9crit : > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified > > above? > > > > Please state either: > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > > rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > > rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you thi= nk > > appropriate. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > > answer the > > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > > you are > > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to > > the next > > stage until a response has been received from each author and > > listed > > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > > MESSAGE'S > > TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are > > not listed > > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations > > under > > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if > > you are > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain f= rom > > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs > > listed above > > and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty. > > > > Thank you, > > DetNet WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in > > your > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >=20 From nobody Tue Aug 16 10:08:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3C3512D8F4; Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:08:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147136732962.22915.1425340577850890158.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 10:08:49 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, lberger@labn.net, db3546@att.com, detnet-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 97 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 17:08:50 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Lou Berger, a Chair of the detnet working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Deterministic Networking Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Lou Berger Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls netmod ccamp teas pce dime dmm Second Priority: bess pals tsvwg nvo3 6tisch bier rtgwg Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Aug 17 00:17:42 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 204E8127077; 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Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:17:28 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bal=E1zs_Varga_A?= To: Lou Berger , "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" , DetNet Chairs , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) Thread-Index: AQHR981ZvpTA/HVYvEGE6F64dYZqkqBMvF9A Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 07:17:28 +0000 Message-ID: <3002A87EA61E0A4DB56546AC16A0D5171F03D0E0@ESESSMB103.ericsson.se> References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [153.88.183.147] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Brightmail-Tracker: H4sIAAAAAAAAA+NgFprBIsWRmVeSWpSXmKPExsUyM2K7pW4H/5Zwg8bbNhbX+n+wWPz+NJvF YsLBbiaLjua3LBYzprxjdGD1mPJ7I6vHkiU/mTw+bGpm8/hy+TNbAEsUl01Kak5mWWqRvl0C V8ab2U2MBdMCKqbfzG5gnGLTxcjJISFgIjF//RrGLkYuDiGB9YwS23+tZYZwlgA5j3cwgVSx CbhKfO54yAaSEBG4xCix6/c2ZpAEs4C6xM0FEB3CAq2MEnNmLIGqagNqPwBRJSJgJPHy1VI2 EJtFQFWi5el6MJtXwFeiqWkJO8S+GcwSP/dtYQdJcArYSFxr72UEsRkFxCS+n1rDBLFOXOLW k/lMEJcLSCzZc54ZwhaVePn4H2sXIweQrSQxbWsaRLmexI2pU9ggbG2JZQtfM0PsFZQ4OfMJ ywRG0VlIps5C0jILScssJC0LGFlWMYoWpxYn5aYbGemlFmUmFxfn5+nlpZZsYgTG18Etvw12 ML587niIUYCDUYmHd0HI5nAh1sSy4srcQ4wSHMxKIrxeXFvChXhTEiurUovy44tKc1KLDzFK c7AoifP6v1QMFxJITyxJzU5NLUgtgskycXBKNTCWtU26J3+eoz0tX6ria+XMxqVC8lbtV1pZ tpx6eXrt28LcjtcSqpacM6V3OUqvODBz0uumKoeubRktZaxds9XMHd5HdfyM4vftexubtnLB oYucewS+5a6vm+9VcHCFKdumWdObeQ7nneCSmineKhylbJ65Y1ejcrBL0lH+PJ3lmZPXFvox dyuxFGckGmoxFxUnAgAv9ptHqwIAAA== Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 07:17:38 -0000 Hi, My preference would be (b). I think we need to reconsider (re-evaluate?) BIER-TE after all the layering= /terminology discussions of the last meeting. Cheers Bala'zs -----Original Message----- From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2016 4:49 PM To: Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document = (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) All, I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question of if the = WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the IPR d= isclosure discussed below) (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not within= the charter of any IETF WG Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. Lou PS: As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF pro= cess perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consensus. As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive in = surveying current options, but don't think this is the right document to de= fine solutions. On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Hello Lou: > > =20 > > Fair question; > > =20 > > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping=20 > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the=20 > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies=20 > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the=20 > draft has a metric for it, we're covered there I think. > > =20 > > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on=20 > real hardware; it "exists", works, and it is not mature. And it can do=20 > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control=20 > for the Replication function, and I've not seen mature technologies=20 > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I'd keep the section=20 > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest=20 > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the=20 > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as=20 > yes, I'll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are suggesting. > If not, we'll have a transparent proof that the technology was visible=20 > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for=20 > spending BIER cycles. > > =20 > > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable=20 > information in such a catalog. There's probably IPR on most if not all=20 > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it=20 > is a lot, lot harder to figure. I do not think that we are at the=20 > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged=20 > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and=20 > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF=20 > requirements. > > =20 > > What do others think? > > =20 > > Pascal > > =20 > > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=FBt 2016 14:07 > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs=20 > ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > =20 > > Pascal, > > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to=20 > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference it? > > This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least=20 > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from=20 > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. > > What do you think? > > Lou > > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > Dear chairs and all: > > =20 > > (I'm not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the below) > > =20 > > The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for > traceability and OAM management. > > =20 > > What's presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here. > > =20 > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were published, > to fulfill IETF expectations. > > =20 > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I'll take this > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco's behavior WRT to > IPR statements for standard track. > > =20 > > Cheers, > > =20 > > Pascal > > =20 > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 10:48 > *To:* Pat Thaler > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org ; > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > J=E1nos Farkas > ; DetNet Chairs > ; Lou > Berger ; Zhuangyan > (Yan) > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > =20 > > Damn, > > =20 > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I'll > update the chairs when it is. > > =20 > > Cheers, > > =20 > > Pascal > > =20 > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=FBt 2016 09:16 > *To:* Pat Thaler > > *Cc:* Lou Berger >; > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > J=E1nos Farkas >; DetNet Chairs > >; > detnet@ietf.org ; Zhuangyan (Yan) > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > =20 > > Hello Pat > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules= " > > =20 > > Regards, > > =20 > > Pascal > > > Le 9 ao=FBt 2016 =E0 23:36, Pat Thaler > a =E9crit : > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified > above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to > the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and > listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS > MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are > not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations > under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if > you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain fro= m > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs > listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPrope= rty. > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in > your > response. > > > > =20 > > =20 > _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Wed Aug 17 05:53:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05FCB12D699; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:53:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zikp_RhKuhgm; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:53:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-it0-x233.google.com (mail-it0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BDFF812D67E; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:53:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-it0-x233.google.com with SMTP id x131so41306782ite.0; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:53:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=S7Lgak44QGPvvEz83sdJV28hcRy4uOIRUQUWscwLoTk=; b=qlTzcjeUVfE/KQzyv1CY5z5I+3wdO4e8ucbgjFljeLfKJ4Wk8NFuTqE2eQ7mfDwgaA iXyHSSGkkMJHAg35PY3waKEfzB2YXd+vEAINLkPPBEu2DP9iq/JX+TNsVrURJdJYZckz 8eQ7YUQdh+LzR2CzPV0yl1cSiDo9yi8gzE5WB8F4D+CCYE/LhYrzfsuNAoqp653KfvCy a+3X8u9axEew4Q7l55k7i3BL7bNi9Udanr9WMIZ8M1gi5I1dep3wbjothy15ReFrrqbC l1Pj9YBmbBaQ2aqXC+UR6HzEk8O0ERALocX6ShCvJ2MZCd1WPV39fCgLaABV9O0dR9LW mD+g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=S7Lgak44QGPvvEz83sdJV28hcRy4uOIRUQUWscwLoTk=; b=FgKAjkGOcGqxgsK0acIxn/YGVSsvWsarhmEKuP4sYE/OzL/UUL9l6Z7Guu0gIn8wlv u1aNadbUrMPEfh0PztJ1BvGVu9sj+ZMZ/VCsmIOvt+/oXrRzANuggoKb6xeYQyoffAvh iw5n9Yov6xr2BBuEV4hCJYbtE8rtzi4XCeLrAXT7610sX31k9BtMJUarYZdsZ1QCQDWC M66f6NSPYyoBsUXG8g20W2eN9rl0EVb1HduRyJGLqjeWIa+Jry3/U2ANR/hoyJc+HrFz yq5AhbjsuM/CHSTAN1TsRO12birc86j0DluKMzZlY/JFsW/hkUQkKdTKKzQfAj7l6xK3 3AQQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvJlhkl9zItookcvXhcwV0+QF7/zOCAN5DJ0rRLk3LSHwlj/SFTxEm8TEbrH86YPmHX0yRmM3fc5IRMyQ== X-Received: by 10.36.118.193 with SMTP id z184mr26481196itb.26.1471438385854; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:53:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.229.100 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 05:53:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> From: Subir Das Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 08:53:05 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144d8284c3d02053a43f25d Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , DetNet Chairs Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:53:10 -0000 --001a1144d8284c3d02053a43f25d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My preference is (c). We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an IETF WG. -Subir On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question of if > the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: > > (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the > IPR disclosure discussed below) > > (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document > > (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not > within the charter of any IETF WG > > Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. > > Lou > > PS: > As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF > process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consensus. > As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive > in surveying current options, but don't think this is the right document > to define solutions. > > On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Hello Lou: > > > > > > > > Fair question; > > > > > > > > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping > > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the > > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies > > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the > > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I think. > > > > > > > > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on > > real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it is not mature= . And it can do > > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control > > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen mature technolo= gies > > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80=99d keep the = section > > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest > > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the > > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as > > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are sugg= esting. > > If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the technology was = visible > > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for > > spending BIER cycles. > > > > > > > > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable > > information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IPR on most if = not all > > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it > > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think that we are at t= he > > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged > > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and > > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF > > requirements. > > > > > > > > What do others think? > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] > > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07 > > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs > > ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Pascal, > > > > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to > > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference it? > > > > This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least > > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : > > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or > > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the > > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Lou > > > > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Dear chairs and all: > > > > > > > > (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the be= low) > > > > > > > > The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for > > traceability and OAM management. > > > > > > > > What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an > > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not > > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here. > > > > > > > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement > > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this > > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the > > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were published, > > to fulfill IETF expectations. > > > > > > > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I=E2=80=99ll tak= e this > > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the > > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND > > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2=80=99s behavior = WRT to > > IPR statements for standard track. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org ; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > > J=C3=A1nos Farkas > > ; DetNet Chairs > > ; Lou > > Berger ; Zhuangyan > > (Yan) > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Damn, > > > > > > > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I=E2=80= =99ll > > update the chairs when it is. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > *Cc:* Lou Berger >; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; > > J=C3=A1nos Farkas > >; DetNet Chairs > > >; > > detnet@ietf.org ; Zhuangyan (Yan) > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Hello Pat > > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > rules" > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler > > a =C3=A9crit : > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified > > above? > > > > Please state either: > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > > rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR > > rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you thi= nk > > appropriate. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please > > answer the > > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not > > you are > > aware of any relevant IPR. 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For more information, please see the RFCs > > listed above > > and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/ > IntellectualProperty. > > > > Thank you, > > DetNet WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in > > your > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --001a1144d8284c3d02053a43f25d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
My=C2=A0 preference is (c).

We can possibly r= evisit (b) when it is within the charter of an IETF WG.

-Subi= r


On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger &l= t;lberger@labn.net> wrote:
All,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question = of if
the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should:

(a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the
IPR disclosure discussed below)

(b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document

(c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not
within the charter of any IETF WG

Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one.

Lou

PS:
As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF
process perspective.=C2=A0 Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consen= sus.
As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive=
in surveying current options, but don't think this is the right documen= t
to define solutions.

On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>
> Hello Lou:
>
>
>
> Fair question;
>
>
>
> I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the
> data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies<= br> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I think.
>
>
>
> The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on
> real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it is not matur= e. And it can do
> things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control<= br> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen mature technol= ogies
> with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80=99d keep the= section
> for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the
> solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are sug= gesting.
> If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the technology was= visible
> to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for
> spending BIER cycles.
>
>
>
> Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable
> information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IPR on most if= not all
> the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think that we are at = the
> stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and=
> do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF
> requirements.
>
>
>
> What do others think?
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@= labn.net]
> *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07
> *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; DetNet Chairs
> <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-dt-d= etnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org
> *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org
> *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02
>
>
>
> Pascal,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion = of the text to
> it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draf= t reference it?
>
> This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least=
> I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from
> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html :
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP a= nd/or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MPLS data plane technologies that should be conside= red as the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane d= efinition.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Lou
>
> On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dear chairs and all:
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own o= pinion on the below)
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The IPR disclosure (https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of B= IER-TE for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0traceability and OAM management.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-= 02 is merely an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, = which is not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announc= e it here.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR = statement
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(since draft 00) was due to the informational natur= e of this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. T= he ask from the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms w= ere published,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to fulfill IETF expectations.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then = I=E2=80=99ll take this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0design to BIER for standard track work, and I under= stand that the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0terms for standard track will be at least as good a= s the RAND
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2= =80=99s behavior WRT to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPR statements for standard track.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* detnet@iet= f.org <mailto:detnet@ietf.org= >;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0jouni.nos= pam@gmail.com <mailto:joun= i.nospam@gmail.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0greg= ory.mirsky@ericsson.com <mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J=C3=A1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chairs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<detne= t-chairs@ietf.org> <mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; Lou
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Berger <lber= ger@labn.net> <mailto:lberger= @labn.net>; Zhuangyan
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-d= etnet-dp-alt-02
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Damn,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was = not yet. I=E2=80=99ll
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0update the chairs when it is.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net <mailto:l= berger@labn.net>>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0jouni.nos= pam@gmail.com <mailto:joun= i.nospam@gmail.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0greg= ory.mirsky@ericsson.com <mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J=C3=A1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:janos.farkas@ericsson.com>>; DetNet Chairs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<detne= t-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:= detnet-chairs@ietf.org>>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0detnet@ietf.org<= /a> <mailto:detnet@ietf.org>; = Zhuangyan (Yan)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<= zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com <mailto:zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-d= etnet-dp-alt-02
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello Pat
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that = applies to this draft"
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in co= mpliance with IETF IPR rules"
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>> a =C3=A9crit :
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors, Contributors, WG,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0As part of the preparation for WG Ado= ption
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Are you aware of any IPR that applies= to the draft identified
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0above?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Please state either:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"No, I'm not aware of any IP= R that applies to this draft"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that = applies to this draft"
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If so, has this IPR been disclosed in= compliance with IETF IPR
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rules
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If yes to the above, please state eit= her:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed= in compliance with IETF IPR
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rules"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"No, the IPR has not been disclo= sed"
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you answer no, please provide any = additional details you think
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0appropriate.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you are listed as a document autho= r or contributor please
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0answer the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0above by responding to this email reg= ardless of whether or not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0aware of any relevant IPR. This docum= ent will not advance to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the next
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stage until a response has been recei= ved from each author and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0listed
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO AL= L OF YOU LISTED IN THIS
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0TO LINES.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you are on the WG email list or at= tend WG meetings but are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not listed
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as an author or contributor, we remin= d you of your obligations
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0under
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the IETF IPR rules which encourages y= ou to notify the IETF if
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0aware of IPR of others on an IETF con= tribution, or to refrain from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0undisclosed IPR. For more information= , please see the RFCs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0listed above
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellectua= lProperty.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thank you,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DetNet WG Chairs
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0PS Please include all listed in the h= eaders of this message in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0your
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0response.
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--001a1144d8284c3d02053a43f25d-- From nobody Wed Aug 17 09:01:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87CA12DA66 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:01:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LoxGOEwBJkeA for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:01:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ua0-x22d.google.com (mail-ua0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0825812D61F for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:01:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua0-x22d.google.com with SMTP id k90so178508820uak.1 for ; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:01:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=hf8nhoop4tKqMw02BTvranNASOev5N6AiGiERypBkhY=; b=AGvOR4nB6DQrpcL7EmmvLHqDkPUrnjhVtzGOq6aM0w0I3Lxrec2SXbH1llGiwSg+LF cUTkw3gwLAndXwDXnkEYxZS1CwThNv1D4AxFwcI9LQLU9mIp49sePxNCUZkN+6HctkVW gR+yhUGr6H9BPHTVKifDt9p9BL/eKKyJ1QbSM= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=hf8nhoop4tKqMw02BTvranNASOev5N6AiGiERypBkhY=; b=SbpabrpXwLe+0ED9kQIjwa6aNFgptHuJR5KZEu8dm0VL6op3h7qTTSL8QQh8BrX1fZ Ng3shfUOXAN5VtctEeoqEVtTPtbydhaJwqjIOq4HBPIAQuQ8K8oGPHIGqV8nagsE5ZEk gaGm/s5EleC3U0x6IdTkz05HoK9OM73/3Bim1cKFPtVWQVYIJIDV+jcbX1Pgf2Kt/1Tu MHS1l54xmQPmBo9Au8OD3VrO0+0ivEaQYTyUpMqwa8r3NizikISlU47aq8Ezbf1nI0SU +0MvlqolRtiZ+0KmcykpAQ/TTag9S4FuTWfFArZHiVmrEDgtv+APBmauxJTF54Yxp7HH F1Ug== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoousRWswkrnycIWb5m0SdbPLtqFuyQXsAKmF391j/vMJYyBawS13dNA0SghFB4myUABNTp9zv4sDZUbW3O2ZQ X-Received: by 10.176.80.229 with SMTP id d34mr13034189uaa.24.1471449705728; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:01:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.91.134 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:01:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> From: Jouni Korhonen Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 09:01:15 -0700 Message-ID: To: Subir Das Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c190b5e0480a1053a4695a8 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" , "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Lou Berger , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , DetNet Chairs Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 16:01:56 -0000 --94eb2c190b5e0480a1053a4695a8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then subject to licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either want to have the discussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context does not help IMHO. - Jouni On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das wrote: > My preference is (c). > > We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an IETF WG. > > -Subir > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > >> All, >> >> I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question of if >> the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: >> >> (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the >> IPR disclosure discussed below) >> >> (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document >> >> (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not >> within the charter of any IETF WG >> >> Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. >> >> Lou >> >> PS: >> As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF >> process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consensus. >> As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive >> in surveying current options, but don't think this is the right document >> to define solutions. >> >> On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> > >> > Hello Lou: >> > >> > >> > >> > Fair question; >> > >> > >> > >> > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping >> > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the >> > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies >> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the >> > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I think. >> > >> > >> > >> > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on >> > real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it is not matur= e. And it can do >> > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control >> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen mature technol= ogies >> > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80=99d keep the= section >> > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest >> > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the >> > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as >> > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are sug= gesting. >> > If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the technology was= visible >> > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for >> > spending BIER cycles. >> > >> > >> > >> > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable >> > information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IPR on most if= not all >> > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it >> > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think that we are at = the >> > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged >> > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and >> > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF >> > requirements. >> > >> > >> > >> > What do others think? >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >> > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07 >> > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs >> > ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org >> > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal, >> > >> > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to >> > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference it= ? >> > >> > This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least >> > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from >> > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : >> > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or >> > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the >> > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> > Lou >> > >> > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> > >> > Dear chairs and all: >> > >> > >> > >> > (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the b= elow) >> > >> > >> > >> > The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was >> > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for >> > traceability and OAM management. >> > >> > >> > >> > What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an >> > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not >> > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here. >> > >> > >> > >> > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement >> > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this >> > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from the >> > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were published, >> > to fulfill IETF expectations. >> > >> > >> > >> > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I=E2=80=99ll ta= ke this >> > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the >> > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND >> > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2=80=99s behavior= WRT to >> > IPR statements for standard track. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48 >> > *To:* Pat Thaler >> > >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org ; >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas >> > ; DetNet Chairs >> > ; Lou >> > Berger ; Zhuangyan >> > (Yan) >> > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Damn, >> > >> > >> > >> > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I=E2= =80=99ll >> > update the chairs when it is. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16 >> > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > >> > *Cc:* Lou Berger >; >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas > > >; DetNet Chairs >> > >; >> > detnet@ietf.org ; Zhuangyan (Yan) >> > > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello Pat >> > >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> > >> > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR >> rules" >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler > > > a =C3=A9crit : >> > >> > Authors, Contributors, WG, >> > >> > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption >> > >> > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified >> > above? >> > >> > Please state either: >> > >> > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >> > or >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> > >> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR >> > rules >> > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >> > >> > If yes to the above, please state either: >> > >> > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR >> > rules" >> > or >> > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >> > >> > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you >> think >> > appropriate. >> > >> > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please >> > answer the >> > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not >> > you are >> > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to >> > the next >> > stage until a response has been received from each author and >> > listed >> > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS >> > MESSAGE'S >> > TO LINES. >> > >> > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are >> > not listed >> > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations >> > under >> > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if >> > you are >> > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain >> from >> > participating in any contribution or discussion related to you= r >> > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs >> > listed above >> > and >> > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellectua >> lProperty. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > DetNet WG Chairs >> > >> > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in >> > your >> > response. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > --=20 Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. --94eb2c190b5e0480a1053a4695a8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in t= he evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then subject t= o licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either want to have the disc= ussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a reference to a draft tha= t is not in DetNet context does not help IMHO.

- Jouni


On = Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das <subirdas21@gmail.com> wrote:
My=C2= =A0 preference is (c).

We can possibly revisit (b) when it is withi= n the charter of an IETF WG.

-Subir


On Tu= e, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wr= ote:
All,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question = of if
the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should:

(a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the
IPR disclosure discussed below)

(b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document

(c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not
within the charter of any IETF WG

Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one.

Lou

PS:
As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF
process perspective.=C2=A0 Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consen= sus.
As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive=
in surveying current options, but don't think this is the right documen= t
to define solutions.

On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>
> Hello Lou:
>
>
>
> Fair question;
>
>
>
> I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the
> data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies<= br> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I think.
>
>
>
> The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on
> real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it is not matur= e. And it can do
> things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control<= br> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen mature technol= ogies
> with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80=99d keep the= section
> for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the
> solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are sug= gesting.
> If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the technology was= visible
> to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for
> spending BIER cycles.
>
>
>
> Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable
> information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IPR on most if= not all
> the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think that we are at = the
> stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and=
> do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF
> requirements.
>
>
>
> What do others think?
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
> *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07
> *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; DetNet Chairs
> <detnet= -chairs@ietf.org>; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > *Cc:* detnet@ietf= .org
> *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02
>
>
>
> Pascal,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion = of the text to
> it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draf= t reference it?
>
> This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least=
> I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from
> https://www.ietf.org/mail-arc= hive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html :
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP a= nd/or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MPLS data plane technologies that should be conside= red as the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane d= efinition.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Lou
>
> On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dear chairs and all:
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own o= pinion on the below)
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The IPR disclosure (https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of B= IER-TE for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0traceability and OAM management.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-= 02 is merely an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, = which is not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announc= e it here.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR = statement
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(since draft 00) was due to the informational natur= e of this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. T= he ask from the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms w= ere published,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to fulfill IETF expectations.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then = I=E2=80=99ll take this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0design to BIER for standard track work, and I under= stand that the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0terms for standard track will be at least as good a= s the RAND
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2= =80=99s behavior WRT to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPR statements for standard track.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behal= f Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* detnet@ietf.org <mailto:detnet@ietf.org>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0jouni.nospam@gmail.com <mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com <mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson= .com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J=C3=A1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chair= s
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<detnet-chairs@ietf.org> <mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>= ; Lou
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Berger <lberger@labn.net> <mailto:lberger@labn.net>; Zhuangyan
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-d= etnet-dp-alt-02
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Damn,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was = not yet. I=E2=80=99ll
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0update the chairs when it is.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behal= f Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net <mailto:lberger@labn.net>>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0jouni.nospam@gmail.com <mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com <mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson= .com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J=C3=A1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:janos.farkas@ericsson.com>>; DetNet C= hairs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<detnet-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>>= ;
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Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1ba4is-0007ed-O3 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:35101 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , DetNet Chairs Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:34:03 -0000 Hi Jouni, On 8/17/2016 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the > evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then subject > to licensing. I'm not sure about doing this, but we could say that "the definition of BEIR-TE is not within the chartered scope of the DetNet WG". > If this is not doable then Would you want to keep (a) with the addition of the above? Lou > (c). I either want to have the discussion (with a note) or not at > all.. Having just a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context > does not help IMHO. > > - Jouni > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das > wrote: > > My preference is (c). > > We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an > IETF WG. > > -Subir > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger > wrote: > > All, > > I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the > question of if > the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: > > (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which > precipitated the > IPR disclosure discussed below) > > (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document > > (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is > currently not > within the charter of any IETF WG > > Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. > > Lou > > PS: > As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from > the IETF > process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG > consensus. > As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being > comprehensive > in surveying current options, but don't think this is the > right document > to define solutions. > > On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Hello Lou: > > > > > > > > Fair question; > > > > > > > > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop > shopping > > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the > > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing > technologies > > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity > and the > > draft has a metric for it, we’re covered there I think. > > > > > > > > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been > tested on > > real hardware; it “existsâ€, works, and it is not mature. And > it can do > > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM > with control > > for the Replication function, and I’ve not seen mature > technologies > > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I’d keep > the section > > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, > interest > > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the > > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER > work, as > > yes, I’ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are > suggesting. > > If not, we’ll have a transparent proof that the technology > was visible > > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for > > spending BIER cycles. > > > > > > > > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable > > information in such a catalog. There’s probably IPR on most > if not all > > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most > part it > > is a lot, lot harder to figure… I do not think that we are > at the > > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets > dragged > > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there > will be, and > > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF > > requirements. > > > > > > > > What do others think? > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net > ] > > *Sent:* vendredi 12 août 2016 14:07 > > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >; DetNet Chairs > > >; > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Pascal, > > > > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of > the text to > > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft > reference it? > > > > This would actually bring the document more in line with > what at least > > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from > > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html > > : > > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or > > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered > as the > > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane > definition. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Lou > > > > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Dear chairs and all: > > > > > > > > (I’m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the > below) > > > > > > > > The IPR disclosure > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > > > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of > BIER-TE for > > traceability and OAM management. > > > > > > > > What’s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an > > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which > is not > > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it > here. > > > > > > > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement > > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this > > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The > ask from the > > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were > published, > > to fulfill IETF expectations. > > > > > > > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I’ll > take this > > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand > that the > > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the > RAND > > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco’s > behavior WRT to > > IPR statements for standard track. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > ] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 10:48 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > >; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > >; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > > >; > > János Farkas > > > >; DetNet Chairs > > > > >; Lou > > Berger > > >; Zhuangyan > > (Yan) > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Damn, > > > > > > > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not > yet. I’ll > > update the chairs when it is. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > ] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 09:16 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > >> > > *Cc:* Lou Berger >>; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > >; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > > >; > > János Farkas > > >>; DetNet Chairs > > > >>; > > detnet@ietf.org > >; Zhuangyan (Yan) > > > >> > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Hello Pat > > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules" > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > Le 9 août 2016 à 23:36, Pat Thaler > > > >> a écrit : > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft > identified > > above? > > > > Please state either: > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this > draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance > with IETF IPR > > rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR > > rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional > details you think > > appropriate. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or > contributor please > > answer the > > above by responding to this email regardless of > whether or not > > you are > > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not > advance to > > the next > > stage until a response has been received from each > author and > > listed > > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED > IN THIS > > MESSAGE'S > > TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG > meetings but are > > not listed > > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your > obligations > > under > > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify > the IETF if > > you are > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or > to refrain from > > participating in any contribution or discussion > related to your > > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see > the RFCs > > listed above > > and > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty > . > > > > Thank you, > > DetNet WG Chairs > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this > message in > > your > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > > > > -- > Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. > From nobody Wed Aug 17 12:09:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48C512D098; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:09:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147146096589.23801.535037016770467420.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:09:25 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, pthalercs@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, detnet-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 97 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:09:26 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Patricia Thaler, a Chair of the detnet working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Deterministic Networking Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Patricia Thaler Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls netmod ccamp teas pce dime dmm Second Priority: bess pals tsvwg nvo3 6tisch bier rtgwg l4s Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Aug 17 12:13:37 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95AAF12B03C for ; 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Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:13:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.103.91.134 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:12:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <1e1dc82a-16cf-6b13-8f46-b1635dbd5c76@labn.net> References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> <1e1dc82a-16cf-6b13-8f46-b1635dbd5c76@labn.net> From: Jouni Korhonen Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:12:57 -0700 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1143812c9fa83e053a494290 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , "detnet@ietf.org" , Subir Das , DetNet Chairs Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:13:35 -0000 --001a1143812c9fa83e053a494290 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lou, On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi Jouni, > > > On 8/17/2016 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > > I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the > > evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then subject > > to licensing. > > I'm not sure about doing this, but we could say that "the definition of > =E2=80=8BYep.. I have had similar case once in IESG and the IPR note got ca= rved out (I asked for it to be removed, actually ;)=E2=80=8B > BEIR-TE is not within the chartered scope of the DetNet WG". > =E2=80=8BThis is ok.=E2=80=8B > > > If this is not doable then > Would you want to keep (a) with the addition of the above? > =E2=80=8BI am ok with the note and thus (a) is ok as well. =E2=80=8B- Jouni=E2=80=8B > > Lou > > > (c). I either want to have the discussion (with a note) or not at > > all.. Having just a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context > > does not help IMHO. > > > > - Jouni > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das > > wrote: > > > > My preference is (c). > > > > We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an > > IETF WG. > > > > -Subir > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger > > wrote: > > > > All, > > > > I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the > > question of if > > the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: > > > > (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which > > precipitated the > > IPR disclosure discussed below) > > > > (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document > > > > (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is > > currently not > > within the charter of any IETF WG > > > > Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. > > > > Lou > > > > PS: > > As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from > > the IETF > > process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG > > consensus. > > As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being > > comprehensive > > in surveying current options, but don't think this is the > > right document > > to define solutions. > > > > On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > > > Hello Lou: > > > > > > > > > > > > Fair question; > > > > > > > > > > > > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop > > shopping > > > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that > the > > > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing > > technologies > > > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity > > and the > > > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I thin= k. > > > > > > > > > > > > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been > > tested on > > > real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it is = not mature. And > > it can do > > > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM > > with control > > > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen matur= e > > technologies > > > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80=99d= keep > > the section > > > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, > > interest > > > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with > the > > > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER > > work, as > > > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that yo= u are > > suggesting. > > > If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the techn= ology > > was visible > > > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation f= or > > > spending BIER cycles. > > > > > > > > > > > > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuabl= e > > > information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IPR o= n most > > if not all > > > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most > > part it > > > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think that w= e are > > at the > > > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets > > dragged > > > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there > > will be, and > > > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF > > > requirements. > > > > > > > > > > > > What do others think? > > > > > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net > > ] > > > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07 > > > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >; DetNet Chairs > > > >; > > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > > > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > > > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > > > > > Pascal, > > > > > > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of > > the text to > > > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft > > reference it? > > > > > > This would actually bring the document more in line with > > what at least > > > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from > > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/ > msg00418.html > > msg00418.html> > > : > > > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or > > > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered > > as the > > > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane > > definition. > > > > > > What do you think? > > > > > > Lou > > > > > > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > > > Dear chairs and all: > > > > > > > > > > > > (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion= on the > > below) > > > > > > > > > > > > The IPR disclosure > > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > > > > > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of > > BIER-TE for > > > traceability and OAM management. > > > > > > > > > > > > What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is = merely an > > > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which > > is not > > > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it > > here. > > > > > > > > > > > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR > statement > > > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of > this > > > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The > > ask from the > > > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were > > published, > > > to fulfill IETF expectations. > > > > > > > > > > > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I=E2= =80=99ll > > take this > > > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand > > that the > > > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the > > RAND > > > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2=80=99s > > behavior WRT to > > > IPR statements for standard track. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > > ] *On Behalf Of > > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48 > > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > > > > > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > > >; > > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > > >= ; > > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > > > > > >; > > > J=C3=A1nos Farkas > > > > > > >; DetNet Chairs > > > > > > > >; Lou > > > Berger > > > >; Zhuangyan > > > (Yan) > > > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > > > > > Damn, > > > > > > > > > > > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not > > yet. I=E2=80=99ll > > > update the chairs when it is. > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > > ] *On Behalf Of > > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16 > > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > > >> > > > *Cc:* Lou Berger > > >>; > > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > > >= ; > > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > > > > > >; > > > J=C3=A1nos Farkas > > > > > >>; DetNet Chairs > > > > > >>>; > > > detnet@ietf.org > > >; Zhuangyan > (Yan) > > > > > > > >> > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Pat > > > > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > > IETF IPR rules" > > > > > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > > Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler > > > > > > >> a =C3=A9crit : > > > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft > > identified > > > above? > > > > > > Please state either: > > > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this > > draft" > > > or > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance > > with IETF IPR > > > rules > > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)= ? > > > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > > IETF IPR > > > rules" > > > or > > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional > > details you think > > > appropriate. > > > > > > If you are listed as a document author or > > contributor please > > > answer the > > > above by responding to this email regardless of > > whether or not > > > you are > > > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not > > advance to > > > the next > > > stage until a response has been received from each > > author and > > > listed > > > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED > > IN THIS > > > MESSAGE'S > > > TO LINES. > > > > > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG > > meetings but are > > > not listed > > > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your > > obligations > > > under > > > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify > > the IETF if > > > you are > > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or > > to refrain from > > > participating in any contribution or discussion > > related to your > > > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see > > the RFCs > > > listed above > > > and > > > > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/ > IntellectualProperty > > IntellectualProperty>. > > > > > > Thank you, > > > DetNet WG Chairs > > > > > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this > > message in > > > your > > > response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > detnet mailing list > > detnet@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > detnet mailing list > > detnet@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. > > > > > --=20 Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. --001a1143812c9fa83e053a494290 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Lou,

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 10:33 AM, Lou Berger <= ;lberger@labn.net= > wrote:
Hi Jouni,


On 8/17/2016 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the
> evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then subject=
> to licensing.

I'm not sure about doing this, but we could say that "the d= efinition of

=E2=80=8BYep.. I have had simi= lar case once in IESG and the IPR note got carved out (I asked for it to be= removed, actually ;)=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0
BEIR-TE is not within the chartered scope of the DetNet WG".

=E2=80=8BThis is ok.=E2=80=8B
=C2=A0=

> If this is not doable then
Would you want to keep (a) with the addition of the above?

=E2=80=8BI am ok with the note and thus (a) is ok as= well.

=E2=80=8B- Jouni=E2=80=8B

=C2=A0=

Lou

> (c). I either want to have the discussion (with a note) or not at
> all.. Having just a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context=
> does not help IMHO.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das <subirdas21@gmail.com
> <mailto:subirdas21@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My=C2=A0 preference is (c).
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the c= harter of an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF WG.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-Subir
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:lberger@labn.net>> wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0All,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I think it would be goo= d to hear from the WG on the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0question of if
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the WG document on Data Plane Alterna= tives should:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(a) include an extended definition of= BIER-TE (which
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0precipitated the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPR disclosure discussed below)
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(b) simply reference the existing (or= new) BIER-TE document
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as = its definition is
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0currently not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0within the charter of any IETF WG
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Please send your opinion to the list = if you wish to voice one.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Lou
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0PS:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0As chair, my preference is (c) as BEI= R-TE has no standing from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the IETF
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0process perspective.=C2=A0 Of course = I'm also happy to follow WG
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0consensus.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0As contributor, my preference is (b) = as I'm open to being
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0comprehensive
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0in surveying current options, but don= 't think this is the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0right document
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to define solutions.
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert = (pthubert) wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Hello Lou:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Fair question;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I like the current form of the d= raft since it is a one stop
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0shopping
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> for selecting technology to achi= eve the various results that the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> data-plane needs, and what the e= fforts from the existing
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0technologies
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to get there are. Certainly, the= DT is sensitive to maturity
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> draft has a metric for it, we=E2= =80=99re covered there I think.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> The technology described in the = BIER-TE section has been
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0tested on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexist= s=E2=80=9D, works, and it is not mature. And
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0it can do
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> things that we appear to want, l= ike traceability and OAM
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0with control
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> for the Replication function, an= d I=E2=80=99ve not seen mature
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0technologies
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> with equivalent capabilities alr= eady built in. So I=E2=80=99d keep
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the section
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> for completeness in the DetNet w= ork. If based on that work,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0interest
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is raised at the DetNet WG to in= tegrate this technology with the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> solution, then we will have subs= tantial motivation for BIER
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0work, as
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to co= ntribute to the draft that you are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0suggesting.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a tra= nsparent proof that the technology
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0was visible
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> to the DetNet group and was not = selected, but no motivation for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> spending BIER cycles.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Also I think that having clarity= on IPR is actually a valuable
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> information in such a catalog. T= here=E2=80=99s probably IPR on most
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0if not all
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> the technologies discussed in th= e document, but for the most
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0part it
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> is a lot, lot harder to figure= =E2=80=A6 I do not think that we are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0at the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> stage of building a solution and= list all the IPR that gets
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0dragged
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> along with that solution. We hav= e to admit that IPR there
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0will be, and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> do our best in due time to ensur= e that this IPR follows IETF
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> requirements.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> What do others think?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Pascal
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:lberger@labn.net>]
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 20= 16 14:07
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) = <pthubert@cisco.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pthubert@cisco.com>>; DetNet Chairs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> <detnet-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org <mailto:detnet@ietf.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> *Subject= :* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Pascal,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Perhaps it wo= uld be best to move the novel portion of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the text to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> it's own draft and have the = "Solution Alternatives" draft
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0reference it?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> This would actually bring the do= cument more in line with
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0what at least
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> I expected as the DT output when= the DT was chartered, from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418= .html
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg0= 0418.html>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The DT is tas= ked with identifying the existing IP and/or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MPLS data pla= ne technologies that should be considered
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible the = foundation for the DetNet data plane
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0definition.
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> What do you think?
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> Lou
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0> On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thu= bert (pthubert) wrote:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dear chairs a= nd all:
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(I=E2=80=99m = not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The IPR discl= osure
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(https://datatracker= .ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<https:/= /datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/%29was>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What=E2=80=99= s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0outline, but = there is IPR related to that outline, which
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0is not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(yet) in a re= ferenceable draft, so I had to announce it
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I was explain= ed that the delay to publish this IPR statement
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(since draft = 00) was due to the informational nature of this
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet= [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org>] *On Behalf Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thube= rt (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercr= edi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Tha= ler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com<= /a>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0&= lt;mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>>= ;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* detnet@ietf.org <mailto:detnet@ietf.org>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:detnet@ietf.org <mailto:detnet@ietf.org>>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0jouni.nospam@gmail.com <mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com <mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com>>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>>;= Lou
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Berger <lberger@labn.net <mailto:lberger@labn.net>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:lberger@labn.net <mailto:lberger@labn.net>>; Zhuangyan
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.c= om
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Subject:* Re= : [Detnet] Regarding IPR on
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I rechecked a= nd the IPR is being published but was not
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet= [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org>] *On Behalf Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thube= rt (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercr= edi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Tha= ler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com<= /a>
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* Lou Ber= ger <lberger@labn.net
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--001a1143812c9fa83e053a494290-- From nobody Wed Aug 17 12:32:06 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B21012D197; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oylEa-qNORxy; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x22a.google.com (mail-io0-x22a.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::22a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ADFE812D612; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:32:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x22a.google.com with SMTP id 38so964234iol.0; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:32:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ozgluUDoYv+ryNLp2Ts+n69X9/KwhcSMrFa4xjN8faU=; b=Hdn7gYUKrya9rMfTqNTKMP3V88aWv+i2Gt/YkHjGfQ3FDlQfZ74Ge2T/lRtu1o1iuE FxtMZI6S/tTDuz1L7QY6fQNSTYDzOw5T5awBga3qJFChDwBvKQtoY+yyQEA8IfxAXNyj j73Ox62w/mpLbUzp0F65jaffLUZ7NRca4PQHI557V7c6vyRtcw3oF37/24xaiBI7/ovg L5kBOyOP4exi/g6N4CFKJ+LFV0V2IQNvynYUwBS369i3CfA4xgm5Rhqlqn2oWwJO908/ MjF4cGOe2N0O1hbdzsMGDDpiIs85HSv0GEjvhBTjPKWdN6aDjhiwlQYfKM4YfvLNSESZ f/Jw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ozgluUDoYv+ryNLp2Ts+n69X9/KwhcSMrFa4xjN8faU=; b=eVvSpe9tFYDMdc7rxQBSM3VrFQPeKCfTqZTToXWnnymRCAdpOgyesNCQyKin7LPjS/ JSFnCbVpl/QS3g7QOV/RNa/MQH0rHWHnyGW77O04Xm6Ti1Oidcbtbx8niHwYBYHxRNb9 PU3CCJU/fgKnDGhP/S8or+Dl6Au6pQwr341kx5VGskRq8NgFq98PDGYIB02Q7u7JoNAg sE8dcRTkfF/80el1KkxjBCvcPeDPN4DPTAFIJe6mUCagJkileskNnUGyy3OV8QAd8Gs3 +XXU6h1byD4XICim0RlpCMLJ1+4q6HHrF+4GfgJFSr3e3NFLRVU+jw8/YCEhc2wHH4jS DK4A== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouukxNbC1WSWtmAPVWThPWhAzEuHrlrg6lrA17jjDnb++EqxAjyK5pMFPecIwoCRBkWM9zyFvnFtjNMLmQ== X-Received: by 10.107.151.143 with SMTP id z137mr47049566iod.191.1471462319985; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.229.100 with HTTP; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 12:31:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> From: Subir Das Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:31:59 -0400 Message-ID: To: Jouni Korhonen Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11402c90e21b9b053a498436 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" , "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Lou Berger , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , DetNet Chairs Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 19:32:05 -0000 --001a11402c90e21b9b053a498436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I agree that having a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context is not helpful. Then why to choose the option (a) with a note? I would avoid it altogether and go with option (c). On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen < jouni.korhonen@broadcom.com> wrote: > I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the > evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then subject to > licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either want to have the > discussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a reference to a dra= ft > that is not in DetNet context does not help IMHO. > > - Jouni > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das wrote: > >> My preference is (c). >> >> We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an IETF WG. >> >> -Subir >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger wrote: >> >>> All, >>> >>> I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question of if >>> the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: >>> >>> (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the >>> IPR disclosure discussed below) >>> >>> (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document >>> >>> (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not >>> within the charter of any IETF WG >>> >>> Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. >>> >>> Lou >>> >>> PS: >>> As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF >>> process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consensus. >>> As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive >>> in surveying current options, but don't think this is the right documen= t >>> to define solutions. >>> >>> On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >>> > >>> > Hello Lou: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Fair question; >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping >>> > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the >>> > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies >>> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the >>> > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I think. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on >>> > real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it is not matu= re. And it can do >>> > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control >>> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen mature techno= logies >>> > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80=99d keep th= e section >>> > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest >>> > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the >>> > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as >>> > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are su= ggesting. >>> > If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the technology wa= s visible >>> > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for >>> > spending BIER cycles. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable >>> > information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IPR on most i= f not all >>> > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it >>> > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think that we are at= the >>> > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged >>> > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, an= d >>> > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF >>> > requirements. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > What do others think? >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Pascal >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] >>> > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07 >>> > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) ; DetNet Chairs >>> > ; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org >>> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org >>> > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Pascal, >>> > >>> > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of the text to >>> > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft reference i= t? >>> > >>> > This would actually bring the document more in line with what at leas= t >>> > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from >>> > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html : >>> > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or >>> > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered as the >>> > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane definition. >>> > >>> > What do you think? >>> > >>> > Lou >>> > >>> > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >>> > >>> > Dear chairs and all: >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on the = below) >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > The IPR disclosure (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was >>> > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of BIER-TE for >>> > traceability and OAM management. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely a= n >>> > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, which is not >>> > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce it here. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR statement >>> > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature of this >>> > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The ask from th= e >>> > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were published, >>> > to fulfill IETF expectations. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then I=E2=80=99ll t= ake this >>> > design to BIER for standard track work, and I understand that the >>> > terms for standard track will be at least as good as the RAND >>> > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2=80=99s behavio= r WRT to >>> > IPR statements for standard track. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Pascal >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of >>> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48 >>> > *To:* Pat Thaler >>> > >>> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org ; >>> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; >>> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; >>> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas >>> > ; DetNet Chairs >>> > ; Lou >>> > Berger ; Zhuangyan >>> > (Yan) >>> > >>> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-0= 2 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Damn, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not yet. I=E2= =80=99ll >>> > update the chairs when it is. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Cheers, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Pascal >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of >>> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >>> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16 >>> > *To:* Pat Thaler >> > > >>> > *Cc:* Lou Berger >; >>> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com ; >>> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com ; >>> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas >> > >; DetNet Chairs >>> > >; >>> > detnet@ietf.org ; Zhuangyan (Yan) >>> > = > >>> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-0= 2 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Hello Pat >>> > >>> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >>> > >>> > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR >>> rules" >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Regards, >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Pascal >>> > >>> > >>> > Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler >> > > a =C3=A9crit : >>> > >>> > Authors, Contributors, WG, >>> > >>> > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption >>> > >>> > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft identified >>> > above? >>> > >>> > Please state either: >>> > >>> > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >>> > or >>> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >>> > >>> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IP= R >>> > rules >>> > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >>> > >>> > If yes to the above, please state either: >>> > >>> > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR >>> > rules" >>> > or >>> > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >>> > >>> > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you >>> think >>> > appropriate. >>> > >>> > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please >>> > answer the >>> > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or no= t >>> > you are >>> > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to >>> > the next >>> > stage until a response has been received from each author and >>> > listed >>> > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS >>> > MESSAGE'S >>> > TO LINES. >>> > >>> > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are >>> > not listed >>> > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligation= s >>> > under >>> > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if >>> > you are >>> > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain >>> from >>> > participating in any contribution or discussion related to yo= ur >>> > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs >>> > listed above >>> > and >>> > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellectua >>> lProperty. >>> > >>> > Thank you, >>> > DetNet WG Chairs >>> > >>> > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message i= n >>> > your >>> > response. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> detnet mailing list >>> detnet@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> >> > > > -- > Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. > > --001a11402c90e21b9b053a498436 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I agree that having a reference to a draft that is not in = DetNet context is not helpful. Then why to choose the option (a) with a not= e? I would avoid it altogether and go with option (c).

On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:= 01 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.korhonen@broadcom.com> wrote:
I am actually ok wi= th (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the evaluation.. i.e., giving a h= int the possible solution is then subject to licensing. If this is not doab= le then (c). I either want to have the discussion (with a note) or not at a= ll.. Having just a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context does = not help IMHO.

- Jouni



On Wed, Au= g 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das <subirdas21@gmail.com> w= rote:
My=C2=A0 pref= erence is (c).

We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the ch= arter of an IETF WG.

-Subir

<= /div>

On= Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>= wrote:
All,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the question = of if
the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should:

(a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which precipitated the
IPR disclosure discussed below)

(b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document

(c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is currently not
within the charter of any IETF WG

Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one.

Lou

PS:
As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing from the IETF
process perspective.=C2=A0 Of course I'm also happy to follow WG consen= sus.
As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being comprehensive=
in surveying current options, but don't think this is the right documen= t
to define solutions.

On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>
> Hello Lou:
>
>
>
> Fair question;
>
>
>
> I like the current form of the draft since it is a one stop shopping > for selecting technology to achieve the various results that the
> data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing technologies<= br> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to maturity and the > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I think.
>
>
>
> The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been tested on
> real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it is not matur= e. And it can do
> things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM with control<= br> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen mature technol= ogies
> with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80=99d keep the= section
> for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that work, interest > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology with the
> solution, then we will have substantial motivation for BIER work, as > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are sug= gesting.
> If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the technology was= visible
> to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no motivation for
> spending BIER cycles.
>
>
>
> Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable
> information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IPR on most if= not all
> the technologies discussed in the document, but for the most part it > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think that we are at = the
> stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that gets dragged > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there will be, and=
> do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF
> requirements.
>
>
>
> What do others think?
>
>
>
> Pascal
>
>
>
> *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
> *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07
> *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com>; DetNet Chairs
> <detnet= -chairs@ietf.org>; draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > *Cc:* detnet@ietf= .org
> *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02
>
>
>
> Pascal,
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion = of the text to
> it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draf= t reference it?
>
> This would actually bring the document more in line with what at least=
> I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from
> https://www.ietf.org/mail-arc= hive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html :
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP a= nd/or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MPLS data plane technologies that should be conside= red as the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane d= efinition.
>
> What do you think?
>
> Lou
>
> On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote:
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Dear chairs and all:
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own o= pinion on the below)
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0The IPR disclosure (https://datatr= acker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of B= IER-TE for
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0traceability and OAM management.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-= 02 is merely an
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, = which is not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announc= e it here.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR = statement
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(since draft 00) was due to the informational natur= e of this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. T= he ask from the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms w= ere published,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0to fulfill IETF expectations.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then = I=E2=80=99ll take this
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0design to BIER for standard track work, and I under= stand that the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0terms for standard track will be at least as good a= s the RAND
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2= =80=99s behavior WRT to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IPR statements for standard track.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behal= f Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* detnet@ietf.org <mailto:detnet@ietf.org>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0jouni.nospam@gmail.com <mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com <mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson= .com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J=C3=A1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:janos.farkas@ericsson.com>; DetNet Chair= s
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<detnet-chairs@ietf.org> <mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>= ; Lou
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Berger <lberger@labn.net> <mailto:lberger@labn.net>; Zhuangyan
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(Yan) <zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-d= etnet-dp-alt-02
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Damn,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was = not yet. I=E2=80=99ll
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0update the chairs when it is.
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cheers,
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
>
>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behal= f Of
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Pascal Thubert (pthubert)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*To:* Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Cc:* Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net <mailto:lberger@labn.net>>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0jouni.nospam@gmail.com <mailto:jouni.nospam@gmail.com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com <mailto:gregory.mirsky@ericsson= .com>;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0J=C3=A1nos Farkas <janos.farkas@ericsson.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:janos.farkas@ericsson.com>>; DetNet C= hairs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<detnet-chairs@ietf.org <mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org>>= ;
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0detnet@ietf.org <mailto:detnet@ietf.org>; Zhuangyan (Yan)
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com <mailto:zhuangyan.zhuang@huawei.com>>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0*Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-dt-d= etnet-dp-alt-02
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Hello Pat
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that = applies to this draft"
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in co= mpliance with IETF IPR rules"
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Regards,
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Pascal
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broad= com.com
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<mailto:pat.thaler@broadcom.com>> a =C3=A9crit = :
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Authors, Contributors, WG,
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0As part of the preparation for WG Ado= ption
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Are you aware of any IPR that applies= to the draft identified
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0above?
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Please state either:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"No, I'm not aware of any IP= R that applies to this draft"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that = applies to this draft"
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If so, has this IPR been disclosed in= compliance with IETF IPR
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rules
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 f= or more details)?
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If yes to the above, please state eit= her:
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed= in compliance with IETF IPR
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0rules"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0or
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0"No, the IPR has not been disclo= sed"
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you answer no, please provide any = additional details you think
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0appropriate.
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you are listed as a document autho= r or contributor please
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0answer the
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0above by responding to this email reg= ardless of whether or not
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0aware of any relevant IPR. This docum= ent will not advance to
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the next
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0stage until a response has been recei= ved from each author and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0listed
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO AL= L OF YOU LISTED IN THIS
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0MESSAGE'S
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0TO LINES.
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0If you are on the WG email list or at= tend WG meetings but are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0not listed
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0as an author or contributor, we remin= d you of your obligations
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0under
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0the IETF IPR rules which encourages y= ou to notify the IETF if
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0you are
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0aware of IPR of others on an IETF con= tribution, or to refrain from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0participating in any contribution or = discussion related to your
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0undisclosed IPR. For more information= , please see the RFCs
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0listed above
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0and
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellectua= lProperty.
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thank you,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DetNet WG Chairs
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>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0PS Please include all listed in the h= eaders of this message in
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0your
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0response.
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--001a11402c90e21b9b053a498436-- From nobody Wed Aug 17 13:15:20 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5855B12D0FF; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:15:18 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147146491831.23736.8669464885792683743.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:15:18 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, pthalercs@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, detnet-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 97 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:15:18 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Patricia Thaler, a Chair of the detnet working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Deterministic Networking Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Patricia Thaler Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls netmod ccamp teas pce dime dmm Second Priority: rtgwg bier 6tisch nvo3 tsvwg pals bess l4s Third Priority: aqm Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Aug 17 13:16:11 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD4CE12D0FF; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:16:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147146497083.23714.1890274865736581688.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:16:10 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, pthalercs@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, detnet-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 97 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:16:11 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Patricia Thaler, a Chair of the detnet working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Deterministic Networking Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Patricia Thaler Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mpls netmod ccamp teas pce dime dmm l4s Second Priority: bess pals tsvwg nvo3 6tisch bier rtgwg Third Priority: aqm Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Aug 17 13:21:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8114C12B05F; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:21:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Meeting Session Request Tool\"" To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147146526148.23764.18025268311587694205.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:21:01 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org, pthalercs@gmail.com, db3546@att.com, detnet-chairs@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet - Update to a Meeting Session Request for IETF 97 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:21:01 -0000 An update to a meeting session request has just been submitted by Patricia Thaler, a Chair of the detnet working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Deterministic Networking Area Name: Routing Area Session Requester: Patricia Thaler Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dmm dime pce teas ccamp netmod mpls l4s Second Priority: rtgwg bier 6tisch nvo3 tsvwg pals bess Third Priority: aqm Special Requests: 3rd priority also avoid Monday. Pat is coming from IEEE 802 in San Antonio. Flight delays could push her arrival to Monday. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Wed Aug 17 13:40:50 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42AF712D56F; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QuXWBp0M6p-p; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pf0-x22b.google.com (mail-pf0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c00::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 613EF12D53D; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-pf0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id p64so40592657pfb.1; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=reply-to:subject:references:to:cc:from:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding; bh=EiSCpE0OPqE6FtikQXnlBZOUom0lk0ruvwXPsoM/O+E=; b=AXTmqKVRHr/gSGOg2dCaR5ooqduomqpx7q1bKa3enbyxNKbbUozYFVDROviYFpJi72 SgHRPAW4T202/cWF+P4uxN06Kyb5Pz/z6iJ9m6YJ9nt0Q//2LwYAeMaA/m3ps1auDyjU uh5TS9YxYPu26bS3MlQOm+Jwo5K73AJNX1rxN3MGLJ1dyfnIGNcwwA8FY/Gyq9V5J3Jx dsRNQWkT8rKU2Hl4VimXDeRB2jsrVGVlMb6/qDfDWETOw3wSs/RtnfFwSpOQH8T3eDwR ZSzdwKOLtmf66+kiv7TlXC11z0iSuWSdDp7RmcVJ7/KXZGa2OzkZ4pbICjmtoebBv75z NgPA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:reply-to:subject:references:to:cc:from :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EiSCpE0OPqE6FtikQXnlBZOUom0lk0ruvwXPsoM/O+E=; b=RqfI0Pldb/o1mSe+Tws8pNTvSwlLY4kXeffwY+PK49vOjMWnaIaJizVOw0WT5zCTrX DyQ93KXFBkQRKWwi1pYUHtZFMzpBoSIkPOD/vIm4cM2LcieNXXypGNNZkMOPMggXvAMI vQZDLZmICybt85VUrUI9nkrhWez8nOtwtWTuLxoqvPmO1aVZOntSOpeEg5d351aEl/GM uD9hY8J+yO7/SiW9vuc/DuSh/6OHgMke8OkCTT7rJyd2viT6RlQT1+13YOguIYnOMgZk 9BoUn2aZvkaS6Gc75EoB5xm0KNNK/ljx2hlQqWbKN66rdyjbayTnuUL0UKb6fw6656o3 PizA== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouug1Bu0OPSkq8VsmxpP4m+9thSlapo9IROrk9AsqY8Enm73nrve3jkLEdAdEgVb5w== X-Received: by 10.98.74.91 with SMTP id x88mr77735097pfa.79.1471466443745; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [10.16.66.0] ([216.31.219.19]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id x66sm49250956pfb.86.2016.08.17.13.40.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:43 -0700 (PDT) References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> To: Subir Das , Jouni Korhonen From: Jouni Korhonen Message-ID: <4e710df8-eb53-6d92-388a-8517bacdb97c@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 13:40:37 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" , "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Lou Berger , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , DetNet Chairs Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jouni.nospam@gmail.com List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 20:40:49 -0000 My acceptance - not preference - for (a) is because dp-alt draft is informational (no harm done with IPRs) and the discussion part of the BIER-TE is good. It would be a waste to lose it. - JOuni 8/17/2016, 12:31 PM, Subir Das kirjoitti: > I agree that having a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context > is not helpful. Then why to choose the option (a) with a note? I would > avoid it altogether and go with option (c). > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen > > wrote: > > I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the > evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then > subject to licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either want > to have the discussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a > reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context does not help IMHO. > > - Jouni > > > > On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das > wrote: > > My preference is (c). > > We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an > IETF WG. > > -Subir > > > On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger > wrote: > > All, > > I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the > question of if > the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: > > (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which > precipitated the > IPR disclosure discussed below) > > (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document > > (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is > currently not > within the charter of any IETF WG > > Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. > > Lou > > PS: > As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing > from the IETF > process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG > consensus. > As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being > comprehensive > in surveying current options, but don't think this is the > right document > to define solutions. > > On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Hello Lou: > > > > > > > > Fair question; > > > > > > > > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one > stop shopping > > for selecting technology to achieve the various results > that the > > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing > technologies > > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to > maturity and the > > draft has a metric for it, we’re covered there I think. > > > > > > > > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been > tested on > > real hardware; it “existsâ€, works, and it is not mature. > And it can do > > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM > with control > > for the Replication function, and I’ve not seen mature > technologies > > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I’d keep > the section > > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that > work, interest > > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology > with the > > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for > BIER work, as > > yes, I’ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are > suggesting. > > If not, we’ll have a transparent proof that the technology > was visible > > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no > motivation for > > spending BIER cycles. > > > > > > > > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable > > information in such a catalog. There’s probably IPR on > most if not all > > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the > most part it > > is a lot, lot harder to figure… I do not think that we are > at the > > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that > gets dragged > > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there > will be, and > > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF > > requirements. > > > > > > > > What do others think? > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net > ] > > *Sent:* vendredi 12 août 2016 14:07 > > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >; DetNet Chairs > > >; > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Pascal, > > > > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of > the text to > > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft > reference it? > > > > This would actually bring the document more in line with > what at least > > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from > > > https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html > > : > > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or > > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered > as the > > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane > definition. > > > > What do you think? > > > > Lou > > > > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > > > > Dear chairs and all: > > > > > > > > (I’m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on > the below) > > > > > > > > The IPR disclosure > (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > > > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of > BIER-TE for > > traceability and OAM management. > > > > > > > > What’s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an > > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, > which is not > > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce > it here. > > > > > > > > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR > statement > > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature > of this > > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The > ask from the > > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were > published, > > to fulfill IETF expectations. > > > > > > > > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then > I’ll take this > > design to BIER for standard track work, and I > understand that the > > terms for standard track will be at least as good as > the RAND > > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco’s > behavior WRT to > > IPR statements for standard track. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > ] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 10:48 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > > > > > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > >; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > >; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > > >; > > János Farkas > > > >; DetNet Chairs > > > > >; Lou > > Berger > > >; Zhuangyan > > (Yan) > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Damn, > > > > > > > > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not > yet. I’ll > > update the chairs when it is. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > > > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > ] *On Behalf Of > > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 09:16 > > *To:* Pat Thaler > > >> > > *Cc:* Lou Berger >>; > > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > >; > > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > > >; > > János Farkas > > >>; DetNet Chairs > > > >>; > > detnet@ietf.org > >; Zhuangyan > (Yan) > > > >> > > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > > > > > > > > Hello Pat > > > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with > IETF IPR rules" > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Pascal > > > > > > Le 9 août 2016 à 23:36, Pat Thaler > > > >> a écrit : > > > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > > > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > > > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft > identified > > above? > > > > Please state either: > > > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this > draft" > > or > > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance > with IETF IPR > > rules > > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? > > > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance > with IETF IPR > > rules" > > or > > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > > > If you answer no, please provide any additional > details you think > > appropriate. > > > > If you are listed as a document author or > contributor please > > answer the > > above by responding to this email regardless of > whether or not > > you are > > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not > advance to > > the next > > stage until a response has been received from each > author and > > listed > > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU > LISTED IN THIS > > MESSAGE'S > > TO LINES. > > > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG > meetings but are > > not listed > > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your > obligations > > under > > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify > the IETF if > > you are > > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or > to refrain from > > participating in any contribution or discussion > related to your > > undisclosed IPR. 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a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:Cc:References:To:Subject; bh=vHYlUc0FIi+60HMc7c0noa1YitOGsOCjQbAthmX8jac=; b=lIr8SeE4w28NO3jG1TWPlwsl9M K0PQ+0sCslEVlyV0O5Ffv3Z/UwxBACMh/bAZPiGSXKcVyhvP+ExMFh/foBd+xA+C2rr0c6I22fgCb ljQ3j3qrsneWPw4t6+AsG+gM3; Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]:47683 helo=[127.0.0.1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.86_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ba89Z-0003kp-19; Wed, 17 Aug 2016 15:13:37 -0600 To: jouni.nospam@gmail.com, Subir Das , Jouni Korhonen References: <44CEE37C-569E-42D2-80D8-9C02095DEFA9@cisco.com> <1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> <4e710df8-eb53-6d92-388a-8517bacdb97c@gmail.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 17:13:32 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4e710df8-eb53-6d92-388a-8517bacdb97c@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Identified-User: {1038:box313.bluehost.com:labnmobi:labn.net} {sentby:smtp auth 69.89.31.113 authed with lberger@labn.net} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-Source-IP: 69.89.31.113 X-Exim-ID: 1ba89Z-0003kp-19 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: box313.bluehost.com ([127.0.0.1]) [69.89.31.113]:47683 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 0 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== Archived-At: Cc: "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , DetNet Chairs Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 21:13:59 -0000 Jouni/All, How about this as next steps: 1. You publish an update to the draft that adds the note along the lines that "The definition of BIER-TE is outside the scope of the DetNet WG charter." 2. We start the adoption poll, and then discuss acceptance/objections/desired changes per normal process. (And this topic can be raised there by any who would like to see a change.) Lou On 8/17/2016 4:40 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > My acceptance - not preference - for (a) is because dp-alt draft is > informational (no harm done with IPRs) and the discussion part of the > BIER-TE is good. It would be a waste to lose it. > > - JOuni > > 8/17/2016, 12:31 PM, Subir Das kirjoitti: >> I agree that having a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context >> is not helpful. Then why to choose the option (a) with a note? I would >> avoid it altogether and go with option (c). >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen >> > wrote: >> >> I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the >> evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then >> subject to licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either want >> to have the discussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a >> reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context does not help IMHO. >> >> - Jouni >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das > > wrote: >> >> My preference is (c). >> >> We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an >> IETF WG. >> >> -Subir >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger > > wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the >> question of if >> the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: >> >> (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which >> precipitated the >> IPR disclosure discussed below) >> >> (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document >> >> (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is >> currently not >> within the charter of any IETF WG >> >> Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice one. >> >> Lou >> >> PS: >> As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing >> from the IETF >> process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG >> consensus. >> As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being >> comprehensive >> in surveying current options, but don't think this is the >> right document >> to define solutions. >> >> On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> > >> > Hello Lou: >> > >> > >> > >> > Fair question; >> > >> > >> > >> > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one >> stop shopping >> > for selecting technology to achieve the various results >> that the >> > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing >> technologies >> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to >> maturity and the >> > draft has a metric for it, we’re covered there I think. >> > >> > >> > >> > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been >> tested on >> > real hardware; it “existsâ€, works, and it is not mature. >> And it can do >> > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM >> with control >> > for the Replication function, and I’ve not seen mature >> technologies >> > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I’d keep >> the section >> > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that >> work, interest >> > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology >> with the >> > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for >> BIER work, as >> > yes, I’ll be happy to contribute to the draft that you are >> suggesting. >> > If not, we’ll have a transparent proof that the technology >> was visible >> > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no >> motivation for >> > spending BIER cycles. >> > >> > >> > >> > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a valuable >> > information in such a catalog. There’s probably IPR on >> most if not all >> > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the >> most part it >> > is a lot, lot harder to figure… I do not think that we are >> at the >> > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that >> gets dragged >> > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there >> will be, and >> > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IETF >> > requirements. >> > >> > >> > >> > What do others think? >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net >> ] >> > *Sent:* vendredi 12 août 2016 14:07 >> > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >; DetNet Chairs >> > >; >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org >> >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org >> > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal, >> > >> > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of >> the text to >> > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft >> reference it? >> > >> > This would actually bring the document more in line with >> what at least >> > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, from >> > >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg00418.html >> >> : >> > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/or >> > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered >> as the >> > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane >> definition. >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> > Lou >> > >> > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> > >> > Dear chairs and all: >> > >> > >> > >> > (I’m not a lawyer, so please make you own opinion on >> the below) >> > >> > >> > >> > The IPR disclosure >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was >> >> > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of >> BIER-TE for >> > traceability and OAM management. >> > >> > >> > >> > What’s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 is merely an >> > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, >> which is not >> > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce >> it here. >> > >> > >> > >> > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR >> statement >> > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature >> of this >> > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The >> ask from the >> > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were >> published, >> > to fulfill IETF expectations. >> > >> > >> > >> > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then >> I’ll take this >> > design to BIER for standard track work, and I >> understand that the >> > terms for standard track will be at least as good as >> the RAND >> > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco’s >> behavior WRT to >> > IPR statements for standard track. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org >> ] *On Behalf Of >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 10:48 >> > *To:* Pat Thaler > > >> > > > >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org >> >; >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com >> >; >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com >> >> > >; >> > János Farkas > > >> > > >; DetNet Chairs >> > > > >> > >; Lou >> > Berger > >> >; Zhuangyan >> > (Yan) > > >> > > > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Damn, >> > >> > >> > >> > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not >> yet. I’ll >> > update the chairs when it is. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org >> ] *On Behalf Of >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 août 2016 09:16 >> > *To:* Pat Thaler > >> > > >> >> > *Cc:* Lou Berger > > >>; >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com >> >; >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com >> >> > >; >> > János Farkas > >> > > >>; DetNet Chairs >> > > >> > >>; >> > detnet@ietf.org >> >; Zhuangyan >> (Yan) >> > > >> > >> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello Pat >> > >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> > >> > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with >> IETF IPR rules" >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > Le 9 août 2016 à 23:36, Pat Thaler >> >> > > >> a écrit : >> > >> > Authors, Contributors, WG, >> > >> > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption >> > >> > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft >> identified >> > above? >> > >> > Please state either: >> > >> > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this >> draft" >> > or >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> > >> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance >> with IETF IPR >> > rules >> > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? >> > >> > If yes to the above, please state either: >> > >> > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance >> with IETF IPR >> > rules" >> > or >> > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >> > >> > If you answer no, please provide any additional >> details you think >> > appropriate. >> > >> > If you are listed as a document author or >> contributor please >> > answer the >> > above by responding to this email regardless of >> whether or not >> > you are >> > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not >> advance to >> > the next >> > stage until a response has been received from each >> author and >> > listed >> > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU >> LISTED IN THIS >> > MESSAGE'S >> > TO LINES. >> > >> > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG >> meetings but are >> > not listed >> > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your >> obligations >> > under >> > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify >> the IETF if >> > you are >> > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or >> to refrain from >> > participating in any contribution or discussion >> related to your >> > undisclosed IPR. 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On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 2:13 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Jouni/All, > > How about this as next steps: > > 1. You publish an update to the draft that adds the note along the lines > that "The definition of BIER-TE is outside the scope of the DetNet WG > charter." > > 2. We start the adoption poll, and then discuss > acceptance/objections/desired changes per normal process. (And this > topic can be raised there by any who would like to see a change.) > > Lou > > > On 8/17/2016 4:40 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > > My acceptance - not preference - for (a) is because dp-alt draft is > > informational (no harm done with IPRs) and the discussion part of the > > BIER-TE is good. It would be a waste to lose it. > > > > - JOuni > > > > 8/17/2016, 12:31 PM, Subir Das kirjoitti: > >> I agree that having a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet conte= xt > >> is not helpful. Then why to choose the option (a) with a note? I would > >> avoid it altogether and go with option (c). > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the > >> evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then > >> subject to licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either wan= t > >> to have the discussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a > >> reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context does not help > IMHO. > >> > >> - Jouni > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das >> > wrote: > >> > >> My preference is (c). > >> > >> We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of a= n > >> IETF WG. > >> > >> -Subir > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger >> > wrote: > >> > >> All, > >> > >> I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the > >> question of if > >> the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: > >> > >> (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which > >> precipitated the > >> IPR disclosure discussed below) > >> > >> (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE documen= t > >> > >> (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is > >> currently not > >> within the charter of any IETF WG > >> > >> Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice > one. > >> > >> Lou > >> > >> PS: > >> As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing > >> from the IETF > >> process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow W= G > >> consensus. > >> As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being > >> comprehensive > >> in surveying current options, but don't think this is the > >> right document > >> to define solutions. > >> > >> On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > >> > > >> > Hello Lou: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Fair question; > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one > >> stop shopping > >> > for selecting technology to achieve the various results > >> that the > >> > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing > >> technologies > >> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to > >> maturity and the > >> > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I= think. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been > >> tested on > >> > real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and i= t is not mature. > >> And it can do > >> > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM > >> with control > >> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen = mature > >> technologies > >> > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2= =80=99d keep > >> the section > >> > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that > >> work, interest > >> > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology > >> with the > >> > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for > >> BIER work, as > >> > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft th= at you are > >> suggesting. > >> > If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the = technology > >> was visible > >> > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no > >> motivation for > >> > spending BIER cycles. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a > valuable > >> > information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably = IPR on > >> most if not all > >> > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the > >> most part it > >> > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think t= hat we are > >> at the > >> > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that > >> gets dragged > >> > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR ther= e > >> will be, and > >> > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows > IETF > >> > requirements. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > What do others think? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net > >> ] > >> > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07 > >> > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> >; DetNet Chairs > >> > >= ; > >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > >> > >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > >> > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-0= 2 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal, > >> > > >> > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion o= f > >> the text to > >> > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draf= t > >> reference it? > >> > > >> > This would actually bring the document more in line with > >> what at least > >> > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, > from > >> > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/ > msg00418.html > >> msg00418.html> > >> : > >> > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP > and/or > >> > MPLS data plane technologies that should be consider= ed > >> as the > >> > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane > >> definition. > >> > > >> > What do you think? > >> > > >> > Lou > >> > > >> > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear chairs and all: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own op= inion on > >> the below) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The IPR disclosure > >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > >> > >> > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of > >> BIER-TE for > >> > traceability and OAM management. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-0= 2 is > merely an > >> > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, > >> which is not > >> > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce > >> it here. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR > >> statement > >> > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature > >> of this > >> > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. Th= e > >> ask from the > >> > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms we= re > >> published, > >> > to fulfill IETF expectations. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then > >> I=E2=80=99ll take this > >> > design to BIER for standard track work, and I > >> understand that the > >> > terms for standard track will be at least as good as > >> the RAND > >> > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2= =80=99s > >> behavior WRT to > >> > IPR statements for standard track. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > >> ] *On Behalf Of > >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48 > >> > *To:* Pat Thaler >> > > >> > >> > > >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > >> >; > >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > > >> jouni.nospam@gmail.com>>; > >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > >> > >> >> >; > >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas >> > > >> > >> >; DetNet Chairs > >> > >> > > >> >> >; Lou > >> > Berger > > >> >; > Zhuangyan > >> > (Yan) >> > > >> > >> > > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Damn, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was n= ot > >> yet. I=E2=80=99ll > >> > update the chairs when it is. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > >> ] *On Behalf Of > >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16 > >> > *To:* Pat Thaler >> > >> > >> >> > >> > *Cc:* Lou Berger >> >> >>; > >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > > >> jouni.nospam@gmail.com>>; > >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > >> > >> >> >; > >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas >> > >> > >> >>; DetNet Chairs > >> > >> > >> >> >>; > >> > detnet@ietf.org > >> >; > Zhuangyan > >> (Yan) > >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello Pat > >> > > >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draf= t" > >> > > >> > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance wi= th > >> IETF IPR rules" > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler > >> > >> > >> >> a =C3=A9crit : > >> > > >> > Authors, Contributors, WG, > >> > > >> > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > >> > > >> > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the dra= ft > >> identified > >> > above? > >> > > >> > Please state either: > >> > > >> > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to th= is > >> draft" > >> > or > >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draf= t" > >> > > >> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance > >> with IETF IPR > >> > rules > >> > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more > details)? > >> > > >> > If yes to the above, please state either: > >> > > >> > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance > >> with IETF IPR > >> > rules" > >> > or > >> > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > >> > > >> > If you answer no, please provide any additional > >> details you think > >> > appropriate. > >> > > >> > If you are listed as a document author or > >> contributor please > >> > answer the > >> > above by responding to this email regardless of > >> whether or not > >> > you are > >> > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will no= t > >> advance to > >> > the next > >> > stage until a response has been received from ea= ch > >> author and > >> > listed > >> > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU > >> LISTED IN THIS > >> > MESSAGE'S > >> > TO LINES. > >> > > >> > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG > >> meetings but are > >> > not listed > >> > as an author or contributor, we remind you of yo= ur > >> obligations > >> > under > >> > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notif= y > >> the IETF if > >> > you are > >> > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, = or > >> to refrain from > >> > participating in any contribution or discussion > >> related to your > >> > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e > >> the RFCs > >> > listed above > >> > and > >> > > >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/ > IntellectualProperty > >> IntellectualProperty>. > >> > > >> > Thank you, > >> > DetNet WG Chairs > >> > > >> > PS Please include all listed in the headers of > >> this message in > >> > your > >> > response. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> detnet mailing list > >> detnet@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> detnet mailing list > >> detnet@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. > >> > >> > > > --=20 Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. --94eb2c11aff475411e053a4afdb5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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\(pthubert\)" , "detnet@ietf.org" , "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , Jouni Korhonen , DetNet Chairs , Lou Berger Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 22:52:25 -0000 --94eb2c05f7f86a08c9053a4c51ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Understood On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > My acceptance - not preference - for (a) is because dp-alt draft is > informational (no harm done with IPRs) and the discussion part of the > BIER-TE is good. It would be a waste to lose it. > > - JOuni > > 8/17/2016, 12:31 PM, Subir Das kirjoitti: > >> I agree that having a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context >> is not helpful. Then why to choose the option (a) with a note? I would >> avoid it altogether and go with option (c). >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen >> > wrote= : >> >> I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the >> evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then >> subject to licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either want >> to have the discussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a >> reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context does not help IMH= O. >> >> - Jouni >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das > > wrote: >> >> My preference is (c). >> >> We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of an >> IETF WG. >> >> -Subir >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger > > wrote: >> >> All, >> >> I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the >> question of if >> the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: >> >> (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which >> precipitated the >> IPR disclosure discussed below) >> >> (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE document >> >> (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is >> currently not >> within the charter of any IETF WG >> >> Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice on= e. >> >> Lou >> >> PS: >> As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing >> from the IETF >> process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow WG >> consensus. >> As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being >> comprehensive >> in surveying current options, but don't think this is the >> right document >> to define solutions. >> >> On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> > >> > Hello Lou: >> > >> > >> > >> > Fair question; >> > >> > >> > >> > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one >> stop shopping >> > for selecting technology to achieve the various results >> that the >> > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing >> technologies >> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to >> maturity and the >> > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I t= hink. >> > >> > >> > >> > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been >> tested on >> > real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and it = is not mature. >> And it can do >> > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM >> with control >> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen ma= ture >> technologies >> > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2=80= =99d keep >> the section >> > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that >> work, interest >> > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology >> with the >> > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for >> BIER work, as >> > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft that= you are >> suggesting. >> > If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the te= chnology >> was visible >> > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no >> motivation for >> > spending BIER cycles. >> > >> > >> > >> > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a >> valuable >> > information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably IP= R on >> most if not all >> > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the >> most part it >> > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think tha= t we are >> at the >> > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that >> gets dragged >> > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR there >> will be, and >> > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows IE= TF >> > requirements. >> > >> > >> > >> > What do others think? >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net >> ] >> > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07 >> > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >; DetNet Chairs >> > >; >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org >> >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org >> > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal, >> > >> > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion of >> the text to >> > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draft >> reference it? >> > >> > This would actually bring the document more in line with >> what at least >> > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, fro= m >> > >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/msg0041 >> 8.html >> > 18.html> >> : >> > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP and/= or >> > MPLS data plane technologies that should be considered >> as the >> > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane >> definition. >> > >> > What do you think? >> > >> > Lou >> > >> > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> > >> > Dear chairs and all: >> > >> > >> > >> > (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own opin= ion on >> the below) >> > >> > >> > >> > The IPR disclosure >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was >> >> > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of >> BIER-TE for >> > traceability and OAM management. >> > >> > >> > >> > What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 = is merely >> an >> > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, >> which is not >> > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce >> it here. >> > >> > >> > >> > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR >> statement >> > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature >> of this >> > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. The >> ask from the >> > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms were >> published, >> > to fulfill IETF expectations. >> > >> > >> > >> > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then >> I=E2=80=99ll take this >> > design to BIER for standard track work, and I >> understand that the >> > terms for standard track will be at least as good as >> the RAND >> > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2=80= =99s >> behavior WRT to >> > IPR statements for standard track. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org >> ] *On Behalf Of >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48 >> > *To:* Pat Thaler > > >> > > > >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org >> >; >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com >> > >>; >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com >> >> > >; >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas > > >> > > >; DetNet Chairs >> > > > >> > >; Lou >> > Berger > >> >; >> Zhuangyan >> > (Yan) > > >> > > > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Damn, >> > >> > >> > >> > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was not >> yet. I=E2=80=99ll >> > update the chairs when it is. >> > >> > >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org >> ] *On Behalf Of >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16 >> > *To:* Pat Thaler > >> > > >> >> > *Cc:* Lou Berger > > >>; >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com >> > >>; >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com >> >> > >; >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas > >> > > >>; DetNet Chairs >> > > >> > >>; >> > detnet@ietf.org >> >; Zhuangyan >> (Yan) >> > > >> > >> >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 >> > >> > >> > >> > Hello Pat >> > >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> > >> > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with >> IETF IPR rules" >> > >> > >> > >> > Regards, >> > >> > >> > >> > Pascal >> > >> > >> > Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler >> >> > > >> >> a =C3=A9crit : >> > >> > Authors, Contributors, WG, >> > >> > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption >> > >> > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the draft >> identified >> > above? >> > >> > Please state either: >> > >> > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this >> draft" >> > or >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >> > >> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance >> with IETF IPR >> > rules >> > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more >> details)? >> > >> > If yes to the above, please state either: >> > >> > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance >> with IETF IPR >> > rules" >> > or >> > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >> > >> > If you answer no, please provide any additional >> details you think >> > appropriate. >> > >> > If you are listed as a document author or >> contributor please >> > answer the >> > above by responding to this email regardless of >> whether or not >> > you are >> > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not >> advance to >> > the next >> > stage until a response has been received from each >> author and >> > listed >> > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU >> LISTED IN THIS >> > MESSAGE'S >> > TO LINES. >> > >> > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG >> meetings but are >> > not listed >> > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your >> obligations >> > under >> > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify >> the IETF if >> > you are >> > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or >> to refrain from >> > participating in any contribution or discussion >> related to your >> > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see >> the RFCs >> > listed above >> > and >> > >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/Intellectua >> lProperty >> > lProperty>. >> > >> > Thank you, >> > DetNet WG Chairs >> > >> > PS Please include all listed in the headers of >> this message in >> > your >> > response. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. >> >> >> --94eb2c05f7f86a08c9053a4c51ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+VW5kZXJzdG9vZDxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9leHRy YSI+PGJyPjxkaXYgY2xhc3M9ImdtYWlsX3F1b3RlIj5PbiBXZWQsIEF1ZyAxNywgMjAxNiBhdCA0 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<1596ef93cbd242c9b3fb06e8e0a06302@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <545d0bdbc15b4377a560d6aab87499f1@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <925ca14c-96e6-df89-0c72-a1038cd2fa50@labn.net> <4e710df8-eb53-6d92-388a-8517bacdb97c@gmail.com> From: Subir Das Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 18:54:17 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113ebc20653e62053a4c5868 Archived-At: Cc: "draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org" , jouni.nospam@gmail.com, "Pascal Thubert \(pthubert\)" , Jouni Korhonen , DetNet Chairs , "detnet@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Detnet] BIER-TE definition in Dataplane Alternatives WG document (was Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 17 Aug 2016 22:54:22 -0000 --001a113ebc20653e62053a4c5868 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Okay with me. On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:13 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Jouni/All, > > How about this as next steps: > > 1. You publish an update to the draft that adds the note along the lines > that "The definition of BIER-TE is outside the scope of the DetNet WG > charter." > > 2. We start the adoption poll, and then discuss > acceptance/objections/desired changes per normal process. (And this > topic can be raised there by any who would like to see a change.) > > Lou > > > On 8/17/2016 4:40 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > > My acceptance - not preference - for (a) is because dp-alt draft is > > informational (no harm done with IPRs) and the discussion part of the > > BIER-TE is good. It would be a waste to lose it. > > > > - JOuni > > > > 8/17/2016, 12:31 PM, Subir Das kirjoitti: > >> I agree that having a reference to a draft that is not in DetNet conte= xt > >> is not helpful. Then why to choose the option (a) with a note? I would > >> avoid it altogether and go with option (c). > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 12:01 PM, Jouni Korhonen > >> > > wrote: > >> > >> I am actually ok with (a) if we somehow add a note of IPR in the > >> evaluation.. i.e., giving a hint the possible solution is then > >> subject to licensing. If this is not doable then (c). I either wan= t > >> to have the discussion (with a note) or not at all.. Having just a > >> reference to a draft that is not in DetNet context does not help > IMHO. > >> > >> - Jouni > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 5:53 AM, Subir Das >> > wrote: > >> > >> My preference is (c). > >> > >> We can possibly revisit (b) when it is within the charter of a= n > >> IETF WG. > >> > >> -Subir > >> > >> > >> On Tue, Aug 16, 2016 at 10:48 AM, Lou Berger >> > wrote: > >> > >> All, > >> > >> I think it would be good to hear from the WG on the > >> question of if > >> the WG document on Data Plane Alternatives should: > >> > >> (a) include an extended definition of BIER-TE (which > >> precipitated the > >> IPR disclosure discussed below) > >> > >> (b) simply reference the existing (or new) BIER-TE documen= t > >> > >> (c) drop any reference to BIER-TE as its definition is > >> currently not > >> within the charter of any IETF WG > >> > >> Please send your opinion to the list if you wish to voice > one. > >> > >> Lou > >> > >> PS: > >> As chair, my preference is (c) as BEIR-TE has no standing > >> from the IETF > >> process perspective. Of course I'm also happy to follow W= G > >> consensus. > >> As contributor, my preference is (b) as I'm open to being > >> comprehensive > >> in surveying current options, but don't think this is the > >> right document > >> to define solutions. > >> > >> On 8/12/2016 9:26 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > >> > > >> > Hello Lou: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Fair question; > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I like the current form of the draft since it is a one > >> stop shopping > >> > for selecting technology to achieve the various results > >> that the > >> > data-plane needs, and what the efforts from the existing > >> technologies > >> > to get there are. Certainly, the DT is sensitive to > >> maturity and the > >> > draft has a metric for it, we=E2=80=99re covered there I= think. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The technology described in the BIER-TE section has been > >> tested on > >> > real hardware; it =E2=80=9Cexists=E2=80=9D, works, and i= t is not mature. > >> And it can do > >> > things that we appear to want, like traceability and OAM > >> with control > >> > for the Replication function, and I=E2=80=99ve not seen = mature > >> technologies > >> > with equivalent capabilities already built in. So I=E2= =80=99d keep > >> the section > >> > for completeness in the DetNet work. If based on that > >> work, interest > >> > is raised at the DetNet WG to integrate this technology > >> with the > >> > solution, then we will have substantial motivation for > >> BIER work, as > >> > yes, I=E2=80=99ll be happy to contribute to the draft th= at you are > >> suggesting. > >> > If not, we=E2=80=99ll have a transparent proof that the = technology > >> was visible > >> > to the DetNet group and was not selected, but no > >> motivation for > >> > spending BIER cycles. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Also I think that having clarity on IPR is actually a > valuable > >> > information in such a catalog. There=E2=80=99s probably = IPR on > >> most if not all > >> > the technologies discussed in the document, but for the > >> most part it > >> > is a lot, lot harder to figure=E2=80=A6 I do not think t= hat we are > >> at the > >> > stage of building a solution and list all the IPR that > >> gets dragged > >> > along with that solution. We have to admit that IPR ther= e > >> will be, and > >> > do our best in due time to ensure that this IPR follows > IETF > >> > requirements. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > What do others think? > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net > >> ] > >> > *Sent:* vendredi 12 ao=C3=BBt 2016 14:07 > >> > *To:* Pascal Thubert (pthubert) >> >; DetNet Chairs > >> > >= ; > >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt@tools.ietf.org > >> > >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > >> > *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-0= 2 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal, > >> > > >> > Perhaps it would be best to move the novel portion o= f > >> the text to > >> > it's own draft and have the "Solution Alternatives" draf= t > >> reference it? > >> > > >> > This would actually bring the document more in line with > >> what at least > >> > I expected as the DT output when the DT was chartered, > from > >> > > >> https://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/detnet/current/ > msg00418.html > >> msg00418.html> > >> : > >> > The DT is tasked with identifying the existing IP > and/or > >> > MPLS data plane technologies that should be consider= ed > >> as the > >> > possible the foundation for the DetNet data plane > >> definition. > >> > > >> > What do you think? > >> > > >> > Lou > >> > > >> > On 8/12/2016 6:18 AM, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: > >> > > >> > Dear chairs and all: > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > (I=E2=80=99m not a lawyer, so please make you own op= inion on > >> the below) > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > The IPR disclosure > >> (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/2844/)was > >> > >> > posted as promised. This covers the adaptation of > >> BIER-TE for > >> > traceability and OAM management. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > What=E2=80=99s presented in draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-0= 2 is > merely an > >> > outline, but there is IPR related to that outline, > >> which is not > >> > (yet) in a referenceable draft, so I had to announce > >> it here. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I was explained that the delay to publish this IPR > >> statement > >> > (since draft 00) was due to the informational nature > >> of this > >> > draft, making terms a bit more complex to decide. Th= e > >> ask from the > >> > chairs triggered the decision and pure RAND terms we= re > >> published, > >> > to fulfill IETF expectations. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > If DetNet expresses interest in the approach, then > >> I=E2=80=99ll take this > >> > design to BIER for standard track work, and I > >> understand that the > >> > terms for standard track will be at least as good as > >> the RAND > >> > here, and probably better, in the line of Cisco=E2= =80=99s > >> behavior WRT to > >> > IPR statements for standard track. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > >> ] *On Behalf Of > >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 10:48 > >> > *To:* Pat Thaler >> > > >> > >> > > >> > *Cc:* detnet@ietf.org > >> >; > >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > > >> jouni.nospam@gmail.com>>; > >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > >> > >> >> >; > >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas >> > > >> > >> >; DetNet Chairs > >> > >> > > >> >> >; Lou > >> > Berger > > >> >; > Zhuangyan > >> > (Yan) >> > > >> > >> > > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Damn, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > I rechecked and the IPR is being published but was n= ot > >> yet. I=E2=80=99ll > >> > update the chairs when it is. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Cheers, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > *From:*detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org > >> ] *On Behalf Of > >> > *Pascal Thubert (pthubert) > >> > *Sent:* mercredi 10 ao=C3=BBt 2016 09:16 > >> > *To:* Pat Thaler >> > >> > >> >> > >> > *Cc:* Lou Berger >> >> >>; > >> > jouni.nospam@gmail.com > > >> jouni.nospam@gmail.com>>; > >> > gregory.mirsky@ericsson.com > >> > >> >> >; > >> > J=C3=A1nos Farkas >> > >> > >> >>; DetNet Chairs > >> > >> > >> >> >>; > >> > detnet@ietf.org > >> >; > Zhuangyan > >> (Yan) > >> > >> > >> >> >> > >> > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on > >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-02 > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Hello Pat > >> > > >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draf= t" > >> > > >> > Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance wi= th > >> IETF IPR rules" > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > Pascal > >> > > >> > > >> > Le 9 ao=C3=BBt 2016 =C3=A0 23:36, Pat Thaler > >> > >> > >> >> a =C3=A9crit : > >> > > >> > Authors, Contributors, WG, > >> > > >> > As part of the preparation for WG Adoption > >> > > >> > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to the dra= ft > >> identified > >> > above? > >> > > >> > Please state either: > >> > > >> > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to th= is > >> draft" > >> > or > >> > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draf= t" > >> > > >> > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance > >> with IETF IPR > >> > rules > >> > (see RFCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more > details)? > >> > > >> > If yes to the above, please state either: > >> > > >> > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance > >> with IETF IPR > >> > rules" > >> > or > >> > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > >> > > >> > If you answer no, please provide any additional > >> details you think > >> > appropriate. > >> > > >> > If you are listed as a document author or > >> contributor please > >> > answer the > >> > above by responding to this email regardless of > >> whether or not > >> > you are > >> > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will no= t > >> advance to > >> > the next > >> > stage until a response has been received from ea= ch > >> author and > >> > listed > >> > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU > >> LISTED IN THIS > >> > MESSAGE'S > >> > TO LINES. > >> > > >> > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG > >> meetings but are > >> > not listed > >> > as an author or contributor, we remind you of yo= ur > >> obligations > >> > under > >> > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notif= y > >> the IETF if > >> > you are > >> > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, = or > >> to refrain from > >> > participating in any contribution or discussion > >> related to your > >> > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please se= e > >> the RFCs > >> > listed above > >> > and > >> > > >> http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/ > IntellectualProperty > >> IntellectualProperty>. > >> > > >> > Thank you, > >> > DetNet WG Chairs > >> > > >> > PS Please include all listed in the headers of > >> this message in > >> > your > >> > response. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> detnet mailing list > >> detnet@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> detnet mailing list > >> detnet@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Jouni Korhonen, Broadcom Ltd. > >> > >> > > > --001a113ebc20653e62053a4c5868 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 PGRpdiBkaXI9Imx0ciI+T2theSB3aXRoIG1lLjxicj48L2Rpdj48ZGl2IGNsYXNzPSJnbWFpbF9l 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This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane Protocol and Solution Alternatives Authors : Jouni Korhonen János Farkas Gregory Mirsky Pascal Thubert Yan Zhuang Lou Berger Filename : draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03.txt Pages : 58 Date : 2016-08-17 Abstract: This document identifies existing IP and MPLS, and other encapsulations that run over IP and/or MPLS data plane technologies that can be considered as the base line solution for deterministic networking data plane definition. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Aug 18 12:23:59 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B54BA12B01C; Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:23:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.29.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <147154823573.27920.3046358549620397335.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 12:23:55 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-finn-detnet-architecture-08.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2016 19:23:56 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking Architecture Authors : Norman Finn Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-finn-detnet-architecture-08.txt Pages : 32 Date : 2016-08-18 Abstract: Deterministic Networking (DetNet) provides a capability to carry specified unicast or multicast data flows for real-time applications with extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. Techniques used include: 1) reserving data plane resources for individual (or aggregated) DetNet flows in some or all of the intermediate nodes (e.g. bridges or routers) along the path of the flow; 2) providing explicit routes for DetNet flows that do not rapidly change with the network topology; and 3) distributing data from DetNet flow packets over time and/or space to ensure delivery of each packet's data' in spite of the loss of a path. The capabilities can be managed by configuration, or by manual or automatic network management. 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X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2016 07:30:35 -0000 --001a1140703045f65c053a7bca03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yes, support. Regards, Dan On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 10:03 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A < balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com> wrote: > Yes/support Cheers Bala=E2=80=99zs > > Ps: I think You mean for the poll end Sept 1, 2016 > > > > *From:* detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Pat Thaler > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 8:54 PM > *To:* detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? > > > > All, > > This is start of a two-week poll on making > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. 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Yes, support.

Regards,

Dan


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Yes/support Cheers Bala=E2=80=99zs

Ps: I think You mean for the poll end Sept 1, 2016<= u>

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Subject: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03?

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All,

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X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2016 22:57:55 -0000 --089e010d7dea497f57053a9cdc78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support the adoption of this draft. El ago 21, 2016 6:44 PM, "Norman Finn (nfinn)" escribi=C3= =B3: > Yes > > From: detnet on behalf of Pat Thaler < > pat.thaler@broadcom.com> > Date: Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM > To: "detnet@ietf.org" > Subject: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? > > All, > > This is start of a two-week poll on making > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please > send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > The poll ends April 1, 2016 > > Thanks, > Pat Thaler > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > --089e010d7dea497f57053a9cdc78 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I support the adoption of this draft.


El ago 21, 2016 6= :44 PM, "Norman Finn (nfinn)" <nfinn@cisco.com> escribi=C3=B3:
Yes

From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> = on behalf of Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Date: Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11= :53 AM
To: "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: [Detnet] adoption of draft= -dt-detnet-dp-alt-03?

All,

This is start of a two-week poll on making
draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please
send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do no= t
support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd=
like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends April 1, 2016

Thanks,
Pat Thaler

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([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ckZO3AeoReua for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:42:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relay.iisc.ernet.in (relay.iisc.ernet.in [14.139.128.65]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8B0F12D0B6 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 21:42:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ece.iisc.ernet.in (ece.iisc.ernet.in [10.32.1.10]) by relay.iisc.ernet.in (Postfix) with ESMTP id 197ABAE19A6 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:12:14 +0530 (IST) Received: from [192.168.1.119] ([10.32.12.244]) by ece.iisc.ernet.in (8.14.7/8.14.7) with ESMTP id u7N4i436017632 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:14:04 +0530 To: detnet@ietf.org References: <3002A87EA61E0A4DB56546AC16A0D5171F03EA63@ESESSMB103.ericsson.se> <8fef1e0178f3464184006a2ec855910b@XCH-RCD-001.cisco.com> <3981905B-CE95-4EC7-9CFC-4388026195FA@broadcom.com> From: "S.V.R.Anand" Message-ID: <57BBD425.4060303@ece.iisc.ernet.in> Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 10:12:13 +0530 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux 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X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 04:42:30 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070006030501080807030308 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All, Yes, I support the adoption. The document is very useful. There is however one aspect that I felt could be included as part of the data plane. One of the primary requirements of the Detnet flows is the timely delivery of the packets at the receiver, in addition to prevention of packet losses within the network. The notion of packet reliability that is expected from the data plane could mean satisfying both these requirements simultaneously. Meeting the "deadlines" for synchronous flows and isolated/asynchronous packet level in a distributed and dynamic network environment calls for deadline aware packet scheduling strategies, and constrained routing decisions if made in a distributed fashion. In the literature we come across deadline scheduling mechanisms that require (i) time information to be carried within the packets, (ii) feedback channels to let the network nodes make proper scheduling decisions, and so forth. I suspect that the distributed implementation of BIER too might have to come up with delay aware disjoint paths. Given the above background, I am wondering if it makes sense for data plane technologies to have required protocol mechanisms in place that consider delay constraints as well. Anand On Saturday 20 August 2016 10:21 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote: > As one of the authors I support the adoption of this draft. > > - Jouni > > >> On 20 Aug 2016, at 00:45, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) wrote: >> >> I do support the adoption too. >> >> >> >> This is very useful information for the group, and traceable for later examination. >> >> >> >> Cheers, >> >> >> >> Pascal >> >> >> >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Balázs Varga A >> Sent: samedi 20 août 2016 09:04 >> To: Pat Thaler ; detnet@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? >> >> >> >> Yes/support Cheers Balazs >> >> Ps: I think You mean for the poll end Sept 1, 2016 >> >> >> >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler >> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:54 PM >> To: detnet@ietf.org >> Subject: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? >> >> >> >> All, >> >> This is start of a two-week poll on making >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please >> send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not >> support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the >> document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd >> like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. >> >> The poll ends April 1, 2016 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pat Thaler >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet --------------070006030501080807030308 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello All,

Yes, I support the adoption.

The document is very useful. There is however one aspect that I felt could be
included as part of the data plane.

One of the primary requirements of the Detnet flows is the timely delivery of
the packets at the receiver, in addition to prevention of packet losses within
the network. The notion of packet reliability that is expected from the data
plane could mean satisfying both these requirements simultaneously. Meeting the
"deadlines" for synchronous flows and isolated/asynchronous packet level in a
distributed and dynamic network environment calls for deadline aware packet
scheduling strategies, and constrained routing decisions if made in a
distributed fashion. In the literature we come across deadline scheduling mechanisms
that require (i) time information to be carried within the packets, (ii)
feedback channels to let the network nodes make proper scheduling decisions,
and so forth. I suspect that the distributed implementation of BIER too might
have to come up with delay aware disjoint paths.

Given the above background, I am wondering if it makes sense for data plane
technologies to have required protocol mechanisms in place that consider delay
constraints as well.

Anand


On Saturday 20 August 2016 10:21 PM, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> As one of the authors I support the adoption of this draft. > > - Jouni > > >> On 20 Aug 2016, at 00:45, Pascal Thubert (pthubert) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: >> >> I do support the adoption too. >> >>  >> >> This is very useful information for the group, and traceable for later examination. >> >>  >> >> Cheers, >> >>  >> >> Pascal >> >>  >> >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Balázs Varga A >> Sent: samedi 20 août 2016 09:04 >> To: Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>; detnet@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? >> >>  >> >> Yes/support Cheers Balazs >> >> Ps: I think You mean for the poll end Sept 1, 2016 >> >>  >> >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler >> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 8:54 PM >> To: detnet@ietf.org >> Subject: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? >> >>  >> >> All, >> >> This is start of a two-week poll on making >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please >> send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not >> support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the >> document.  If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd >> like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. >> >> The poll ends April 1, 2016 >> >> Thanks, >> >> Pat Thaler >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet


--------------070006030501080807030308-- From olivier.marce@nokia-bell-labs.com Mon Aug 22 09:10:53 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03B7212D784 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:10:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XOEdcFp8ruBO for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:10:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-fr.alcatel-lucent.com (fr-hpida-esg-02.alcatel-lucent.com [135.245.210.21]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BCC0512D658 for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 09:10:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from fr712umx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (unknown [135.245.210.42]) by Websense Email Security Gateway with ESMTPS id 73F1F8C9E5E2F for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:10:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.122]) by fr712umx3.dmz.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO-o) with ESMTP id u7MGAmdb001563 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 16:10:48 GMT Received: from FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (fr711wxchhub02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com [135.239.2.112]) by fr711usmtp1.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (GMO) with ESMTP id u7MGAlff028814 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=FAIL) for ; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:10:48 +0200 Received: from [172.27.205.172] (135.239.27.40) by FR711WXCHHUB02.zeu.alcatel-lucent.com (135.239.2.112) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.195.1; Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:10:47 +0200 To: References: From: Olivier Marce Message-ID: <5e5aa395-5dd7-9691-562a-b873622da75e@nokia.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2016 18:10:40 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.2.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Originating-IP: [135.239.27.40] Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 07:58:43 -0000 Hi, I support the adoption of the draft as WG doc. Comments below : 1- Great work 2- For sake a clarity I suggest to move the 2 first paragraphs of section 3 and the figure 1 at the end of the section : it refers to concepts defined in the currently following paragraphs (service layer, edge, transit, relay nodes) 3- I support editor's note : #9 should be integrated into #6. 4- For readability purpose, list in section #4 should be presented in a table with checks for layer relevance, e.g | criteria | Service Layer | Transport Layer | | #1 ... | x | x | ... 5- Some solutions are evaluated as W for #8 (QoS) criterion, while they rely on transport layer, e.g.GRE, EVPN, ... We could add a "I" evaluation code for "inherited from lower layers" 6- IPv6 and IPv4 analysis for criterion #8 are the same, but evaluation are different. Should be M/W for both, as in both cases the QoS support does not comply with all DetNet requirements, especially for max latency. 7- the first listed techniques requited for DetNet, "Congestion protection" is little addressed in the document. One way of improvement would be to analyze further this point for each solution, within the scope of #8 criterion. Regards Le 19/08/2016 à 20:53, Pat Thaler a écrit : > All, > > This is start of a two-week poll on making > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please > send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > The poll ends April 1, 2016 > > Thanks, > Pat Thaler > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > -- Olivier Marcé Nokia Bell Labs France "we need to guard against increased levels of reporting and other requirements that distract you from doing what you really need to be doing." 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X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2016 18:08:15 -0000 --001a114401005107db053ac10c9f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I mean Sept 5 - two week poll plus a bit since it was sent towards the end of a Friday. > > On Fri, Aug 19, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Pat Thaler > wrote: > >> All, >> >> This is start of a two-week poll on making >> draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please >> send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not >> support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the >> document. 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I mean Sept 5 - two week poll plus a bit since it was sent= towards the end of a Friday.

On Fri, Aug 19,= 2016 at 11:53 AM, Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com> wrote:
All,

This is start of a two-week poll on making
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The poll ends = Sept 5, 2016

Thanks,
Pat Thaler


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10.36.152.5 with SMTP id n5mr3725463itd.79.1472042578319; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 05:42:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.64.229.100 with HTTP; Wed, 24 Aug 2016 05:42:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3002A87EA61E0A4DB56546AC16A0D5171F03EA63@ESESSMB103.ericsson.se> References: <3002A87EA61E0A4DB56546AC16A0D5171F03EA63@ESESSMB103.ericsson.se> From: Subir Das Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 08:42:57 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c05f7f8f99dd4053ad09ef9 Archived-At: Cc: "detnet@ietf.org" , Pat Thaler Subject: Re: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 12:43:01 -0000 --94eb2c05f7f8f99dd4053ad09ef9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I support. -Subir On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:03 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A wrote: > Yes/support Cheers Bala=E2=80=99zs > > Ps: I think You mean for the poll end Sept 1, 2016 > > > > *From:* detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Pat Thaler > *Sent:* Friday, August 19, 2016 8:54 PM > *To:* detnet@ietf.org > *Subject:* [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? > > > > All, > > This is start of a two-week poll on making > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please > send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > The poll ends April 1, 2016 > > Thanks, > > Pat Thaler > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > --94eb2c05f7f8f99dd4053ad09ef9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I support.

-Subir

On Sat, Aug 20, 2016 at 3:0= 3 AM, Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com> wrote:

Yes/support Cheers Bala=E2=80=99zs

Ps: I think You mean for the poll end Sept 1, 2016<= u>

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From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org<= /a>] On Behalf Of Pat Thaler
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Subject: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03?

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All,

This is start of a two-week poll on making
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like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

The poll ends April 1, 2016

Thanks,

Pat Thaler


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From: detnet = <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Pat Thaler <pat.thaler@broadcom.com>
Date: Friday, August 19, 2016 at 11:53 AMTo: "detnet@ietf.org" <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: [Detnet] adoption of = draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03

All,

This is start of a two-week = poll on making
draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a = working group document. Please
send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do = not
support". If indicating no, please state = your reservations with the
document.  If yes, please also feel free to provide = comments you=E2=80=99d
like to see = addressed once the document is a WG document


The poll ends April 1, 2016

Thanks,
Pat = Thale


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[86.174.195.18]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id i3sm14378526wjd.31.2016.08.25.03.17.00 (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Thu, 25 Aug 2016 03:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2104\)) From: Kieran Tyrrell In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:17:01 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: References: To: Pat Thaler , DetNet WG X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] adoption of draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03? X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 10:17:05 -0000 Yes, I support the adoption of this document as a working group document. Thanks, Kieran Tyrrell. > On 19 Aug 2016, at 19:53, Pat Thaler wrote: > > All, > > This is start of a two-week poll on making > draft-dt-detnet-dp-alt-03 a working group document. Please > send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > The poll ends April 1, 2016 > > Thanks, > Pat Thaler > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet