From nobody Fri Mar 2 17:10:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CCCD126FB3 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 17:10:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=broadcom.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4dzv1y8MGMXz for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 17:10:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qk0-x230.google.com (mail-qk0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0061E126E64 for ; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 17:10:07 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qk0-x230.google.com with SMTP id s188so14274371qkb.2 for ; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 17:10:07 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=broadcom.com; s=google; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=q0RI3FhV4vmQM5aXJbQIxtHwpPOf58RhPecLubFSP3Q=; b=LTpaiqHx20xAcFjQWjNQ7E49pk7ZG+cIQweApuBtkRlwH2tcJVT64RguybthV95DyZ M3lISgbytiqMtktyNPqX9Wmma4AA5ZvvBRXlLoI1+bCkKG7UYxR7gAGevjUVmAqlejmh jr0t/LT4RhaNJtNrWQtoEK300RuiyUFr27M0k= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=q0RI3FhV4vmQM5aXJbQIxtHwpPOf58RhPecLubFSP3Q=; b=bhHeLJ7O5MonBRsDXwC8HsNBTQe/wYXB6vcGb1ZS8dzZb4vI9aBeGPpjw3H+pTRox3 pGE1kykXrCAWIbtInYgLr9OZUvlSvoQN9JVRkXbBxz/Uz2vb8tcdZTm7AK87WEQ8uHFs nT93zD5jjBAMBW3MprgSse9Qknp4m38hwbguQwsNvvp7TmYINMnnWg4c+qh0NFuIoJr/ NH6z2eONBvRrq2OWvq+4yko3X2+l/uvXxesytaU5178o/yJBYHnUw2XlVgsLvbAHY3SW QGL+c66urZtnMFaGAZQ4yYEgFzeHbr4sDf67FGbvDaGDmAgnkACzxcgXmGh53u2+3YuB pONA== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7EsobSMxaeocGOnxD6cK7EPlTeOlrRqq+jsl2g7uesnbD/TdXUw FwJEVEeCd83jkn+eTqggs+6DdVF2kdfB+tYGj38fqT3S X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELukZPEuXf1azL1UBQexQsOoYkQK8OThlppg4I62sXqbAf1/0zZ27VJz0UwA69tZJUJXxjgpZP55XfOJ9KXjcJU= X-Received: by 10.55.53.139 with SMTP id c133mr11110001qka.229.1520039406862; Fri, 02 Mar 2018 17:10:06 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.140.91.163 with HTTP; Fri, 2 Mar 2018 17:10:06 -0800 (PST) From: Pat Thaler Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2018 17:10:06 -0800 Message-ID: To: detnet@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11472c54e4413f056677c01f" Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Retirement plans X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2018 01:10:09 -0000 --001a11472c54e4413f056677c01f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear Colleagues, I=E2=80=99m planning to retire at the end of March so the March IETF meetin= g is likely to be the last one I attend. In 33 years developing networking standards, I=E2=80=99ve enjoyed working with so many talented and friendly = people as well as the opportunity to contribute to technology that has changed the way the world works and communicates. It is satisfying to be leaving the DetNet Working Group with most of the chartered work in Working Group drafts. I trust the drafts will soon be moved on to RFCs with your work and the capable leadership of Lou and Janos= . I=E2=80=99m looking forward to new adventures, but expect that I will also = miss meeting with longtime and new friends every 4 months at IETF. Warm regards, Pat Thaler --001a11472c54e4413f056677c01f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Colleagues,
I=E2=80=99m planning to retire at the end of March so the= March IETF meeting is likely to be the last one I attend. In 33 years deve= loping networking standards, I=E2=80=99ve enjoyed working with so many tale= nted and friendly people as well as the opportunity to contribute to techno= logy that has changed the way the world works and communicates.

It is satisfying to be leaving the DetNet Working Group with= most of the chartered work in Working Group drafts. I trust the drafts wil= l soon be moved on to RFCs with your work and the capable leadership of=C2= =A0Lou=C2=A0and Janos.<= br style=3D"font-size:12.8px">
I=E2=80=99m looking forward to new adventures, but expec= t that I will also miss meeting with longtime and new friends every 4 month= s at IETF.

Warm regards,
Pat Thaler
--001a11472c54e4413f056677c01f-- From nobody Mon Mar 5 01:49:30 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 735131241F5; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 01:49:28 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.73.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152024336839.27904.15257657825473110185@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 01:49:28 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model-01.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 09:49:28 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Flow Information Model Authors : János Farkas Balázs Varga Rodney Cummings Yuanlong Jiang Yiyong Zha Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model-01.txt Pages : 24 Date : 2018-03-05 Abstract: This document describes flow and service information model for Deterministic Networking (DetNet). The DetNet service is provided either for a Layer 3 or a Layer 2 flow. This document provides DetNet flow and service information model both for Layer 3 and Layer 2 flows in an integrated fashion. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 5 02:55:08 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E123B128961 for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 02:55:06 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.23 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.23 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YY80gztc1bLG for ; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 02:55:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 32EB712783A for ; 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Mon, 5 Mar 2018 11:53:56 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.74.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152027963651.31650.7577207521872747513@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 11:53:56 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-02.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 19:53:59 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane Encapsulation Authors : Jouni Korhonen Loa Andersson Yuanlong Jiang Norman Finn Balázs Varga Janos Farkas Carlos J. Bernardos Tal Mizrahi Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-02.txt Pages : 44 Date : 2018-03-05 Abstract: This document specifies Deterministic Networking data plane encapsulation solutions. The described data plane solutions can be applied over either IP or MPLS Packet Switched Networks. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 5 15:49:46 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2C711200C5; Mon, 5 Mar 2018 15:49:39 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.74.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152029377989.12770.7373451875193389804@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 15:49:39 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-03.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2018 23:49:40 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane Encapsulation Authors : Jouni Korhonen Loa Andersson Yuanlong Jiang Norman Finn Balázs Varga Janos Farkas Carlos J. Bernardos Tal Mizrahi Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-03.txt Pages : 45 Date : 2018-03-05 Abstract: This document specifies Deterministic Networking data plane encapsulation solutions. The described data plane solutions can be applied over either IP or MPLS Packet Switched Networks. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Mar 8 09:42:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A5B312751F for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:42:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LP9MpYTHA6qJ for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 091621243F6 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 09:42:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMOut01 (unknown [10.0.90.82]) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04844418B0 for ; Thu, 8 Mar 2018 10:21:26 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id KVMB1x00x2SSUrH01VMEjo; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 10:21:15 -0700 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=ft6sXBwf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=v2DPQv5-lfwA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=7WdME0GWKsvCzftnX4EA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ty-y23Y2wJkA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=eiGPOwWlvt6pPwbCGamz0aw/hJ0W2xT+H7/cVvwck4s=; b=MrBKBjt545keRkvgNU/qK1QLdb 6qPxnTQVm3pEq/aXG3pfdzJ+VXy7VpD7aIT+7I5k/daNAp55N8yeJrhAqTmdk99GcGqH2HX+OWV6j QoSPci0r+3/CpDLdEiOBLyZUA; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:60248 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1etzE7-001AvH-Ha; Thu, 08 Mar 2018 10:21:11 -0700 To: DetNet WG Cc: DetNet Chairs From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2018 12:21:09 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1etzE7-001AvH-Ha X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:60248 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Draft IETF 101 Agenda available X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2018 17:42:09 -0000 Hi,     As some of you may have noticed the draft agenda is available: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-detnet.htm The 1st session covers normal WG business and sets the stage for the 2nd session in which we will review and hopefully close on the main DetNet dataplane open issues. The 2nd session also includes one out of charter topic (on control plane) that will be covered iff the data plane discussion finishes early. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id k1sm546693wmi.1.2018.03.13.07.07.03 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 13 Mar 2018 07:07:03 -0700 (PDT) To: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=c3=a1zs_Varga_A?= , "detnet@ietf.org" References: <152029377989.12770.7373451875193389804@ietfa.amsl.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <61909143-6ef6-59c5-4afe-cf9dd680f763@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:07:16 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-03.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2018 14:07:08 -0000 On 13/03/2018 13:01, Balázs Varga A wrote: > > ## 3 ## Flow identification on Transit nodes > Flow identification on Transit nodes should be a relevant selection criteria for the encapsulation discussions. We have three DetNet functions defined. > 1, Congestion protection and latency control: queuing, policing, shaping. > 2, Explicit routes: TE > 3, Service protection: PREF, IOD (in-order-delivery) > Transit nodes are expected to deal with 1 and 2, for which they have to be able to identify DetNet flows. Therefore the encapsulation should support flow recognition on Transit nodes as well. > > I think we already had (at least) some discussion on this, but it is not described / concluded in dp-sol-03. In case of MPLS transit nodes by default consider T-label(s). The natural way to do this in MPLS is to follow the MS-PW model, with each DetNet aware hop on the DetNet path being an S-PE. Where all nodes along the path are DetNet aware, the T-Label is PHPed and the top label is an S-Label. This makes for simple processing at each relay node. We get the option of leaving the T-Label in place when passing through a zone that is not DetNet aware, and encapsulating DetNet in DetNet when doing aggregation. - Stewart From nobody Wed Mar 14 01:19:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C67C21204DA for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 01:19:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kV-vKqbgftSZ for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 01:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtpextng.isae.fr (smtpextng.isae.fr [192.93.254.80]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5201A1200C5 for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 01:19:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp-secu-int (smtp-secu-int.isae.fr [10.132.1.48]) by smtpextng.isae.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE12F7127F for ; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:21:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from [10.161.3.211] (pc-lochin.isae.fr [10.161.3.211]) by smtp-secu-int (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 327EB3C7C0; Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:22:01 +0100 (CET) To: detnet@ietf.org From: Emmanuel Lochin Message-ID: <201e931a-df63-78d5-7d2f-a383934d941f@isae-supaero.fr> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 09:19:06 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] New Version Notification for draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler-01.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2018 08:19:09 -0000 Dear Detnet subscribers, FYI, a draft concerning the implementation of a scheduler based on a shaper presented by the TSN Task group (BLS : Burst Limiting Shaper) has been submitted as an independent submission. This mechanism has been discussed in the last IETF in Singapour and a presentation will be done in London during the TSVWG meeting. Might be of interest for this group. See below : ---- I have submitted a new version of the draft about a new scheduler: the Priority Switching Scheduler. Comments are welcome! Anaïs Finzi A new version of I-D, draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler-01.txt has been successfully submitted by Anais Finzi and posted to the IETF repository. Name:        draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler Revision:    01 Title:        Priority Switching Scheduler Document date:    2018-03-05 Group:        Individual Submission Pages:        10 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler-01.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler-01 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler-01 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-finzi-priority-switching-scheduler-01 Abstract:     We detail the implementation of a network scheduler that switches the     priority of one or several queues.  This scheduler aims at carrying     and isolating time constrained and elastic traffic flows from best-     effort traffic.  We claim that the usual implementations with rate     schedulers (such as WRR, DRR,...) do not allow to efficiently     quantify the reserved capacity of the different classes.  By using     this credit based scheduler mechanism called Priority Switching     Scheduler, we provide a more predictable available capacity. 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The IETF Secretariat -- Emmanuel LOCHIN Professeur ISAE ISAE SUPAERO - Institut Supérieur de l'Aéronautique et de l'Espace 10 avenue Edouard Belin - BP 54032 - 31055 TOULOUSE CEDEX 4 FRANCE - http://www.isae-supaero.fr Tel +33 5 61 33 84 85 - Fax (+33) 5 61 33 83 45 Web : http://personnel.isae.fr/emmanuel-lochin/ From nobody Fri Mar 16 06:12:27 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 638B4127136 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2018 06:12:26 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id soE1nLFs1VEJ for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2018 06:12:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 96294128954 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2018 06:12:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CMOut01 (unknown [10.0.90.82]) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776A5175D39 for ; Fri, 16 Mar 2018 06:41:23 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by CMOut01 with id NchK1x00Q2SSUrH01chNew; Fri, 16 Mar 2018 06:41:23 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=ft6sXBwf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=v2DPQv5-lfwA:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=iLNU1ar6AAAA:8 a=7rEblIYDAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=K6wgFQRxZnZlrYbyL3YA:9 a=NYrXWqjIqAXDDsLM:21 a=rozG6Hq9fFYlHcLZ:21 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=25dfKC5bdiv6pNBoRTcA:9 a=qceJ2uG2jJMy9odb:21 a=LxhIqDDA_8vnaqeh:21 a=qiQF8PsgXdi5P2hW:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10 a=r-x8xPlcpNX_XLVtWTHX:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Date:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=zzxOzk6FRL3WXD7WTMJCfxDgJoVzXl0uu41pOZT6+54=; b=g/yOD05wwWYMZ1dRSyKhCoPYRY AR6NKosfNng1mUzELp0ArI7DfKNLvKu7r6JU4OYC0YZ4FNN551DXSIczXI5HmAwuZI2RJu872NoPw 6zuRBYyE9pHEG69C3TLcCnQUV; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:60206 helo=[11.4.0.163]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ewoff-000SHK-C4 for detnet@ietf.org; Fri, 16 Mar 2018 06:41:19 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 08:41:19 -0400 Message-ID: <1622ed42998.27d3.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.13.2-730 (build: 101300200) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------1622ed42b0c487b27d34bebcf3" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1ewoff-000SHK-C4 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([11.4.0.163]) [100.15.86.101]:60206 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Fwd: [tsvwg] YANG model for Quality of Service X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:12:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------1622ed42b0c487b27d34bebcf3 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Fyi more interesting work work from the tsv WG... Lou --- Forwarded message --- From: Ruediger.Geib@telekom.de Date: March 16, 2018 6:02:57 AM Subject: [tsvwg] YANG model for Quality of Service To: David.Black@dell.com, gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk CC: tsvwg@ietf.org Dear chairs, the following draft describes a YANG model for Quality of Service (QoS) configuration and operational parameters, also covering Diffserv: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-asechoud-rtgwg-qos-model/ It is discussed by the rtgwg, a 10 minute slot (Brian Carpenter also informed the list about this draft a while ago). Regards, Ruediger ------------1622ed42b0c487b27d34bebcf3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Fyi more interesting work wor= k from the tsv WG...

Lou

--- Forwarded message ---
From: Ruediger.Geib@= telekom.de
Date: March 16, 2018= 6:02:57 AM
Subject: [tsvwg] YAN= G model for Quality of Service
To: David.Black@dell= com, gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk
CC: tsvwg@ietf.org

Dear chairs,

 

the following draft describes a= YANG model for Quality of Service (QoS)

configuration and operational p= arameters, also covering Diffserv:

 

= https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-asechoud-rtgwg-qos-model/

 

It= is discussed by the rtgwg, a 10 minute slot (Brian Carpenter also informed= the list about

th= is draft a while ago).

 

Re= gards,

 

Ru= ediger

 

 

------------1622ed42b0c487b27d34bebcf3-- From nobody Mon Mar 19 01:44:54 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0616312E887; Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:44:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.75.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152144908096.15860.6123842785839150989@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 01:44:41 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2018 08:44:42 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking Problem Statement Authors : Norman Finn Pascal Thubert Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03.txt Pages : 11 Date : 2018-03-19 Abstract: This paper documents the needs in various industries to establish multi-hop paths for characterized flows with deterministic properties . The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Wed Mar 21 05:57:36 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AE3712DA41 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 05:57:35 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NxFhzF9rbf9L for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 05:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1541212DA42 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 05:57:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw4 (unknown [10.0.90.85]) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 461AD175CE2 for ; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:57:32 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmgw4 with id QcxU1x00e2SSUrH01cxXgL; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:57:32 -0600 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=G85sK5s5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=v2DPQv5-lfwA:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=gML-7JI0MFV9pIwVUEsA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=ty-y23Y2wJkA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=lXopljgkJ56xW9V76gN1rF8AkcmbeIlej2ErQXVL64Y=; b=h8T6MVLxVu5soJ3M8WfTnnzMzM 6toYyuCt/UmfVESzLNLqi9/0WB7UoF+vVj1TVT4UkyJBgpPEaQNKWhC+r+9uqb4mrQlBsrt6tV0/b ChlBVFjg09d6C8n1c+0cshvWE; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:49374 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1eydJ2-002rUJ-IB; Wed, 21 Mar 2018 06:57:28 -0600 To: DetNet WG Cc: DetNet Chairs References: From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <26eeec9d-0c89-3b39-380e-08a2a5a4e41b@labn.net> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:57:26 +0000 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1eydJ2-002rUJ-IB X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:49374 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Draft IETF 101 Agenda available X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:57:35 -0000 If you are on the agenda - it's time to send slides... On 3/8/2018 5:21 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > Hi, > >     As some of you may have noticed the draft agenda is available: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-detnet.htm > > The 1st session covers normal WG business and sets the stage for the 2nd > session in which we will review and hopefully close on the main DetNet > dataplane open issues. > > The 2nd session also includes one out of charter topic (on control > plane) that will be covered iff the data plane discussion finishes early. > > Thank you, > Lou (and co-chairs) > From nobody Thu Mar 22 14:46:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89E89124B0A; Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:46:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.76.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152175521353.4312.2023371475800950404@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 14:46:53 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-04.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2018 21:46:53 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane Encapsulation Authors : Jouni Korhonen Loa Andersson Yuanlong Jiang Norman Finn Balázs Varga Janos Farkas Carlos J. Bernardos Tal Mizrahi Lou Berger Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-04.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2018-03-22 Abstract: This document specifies Deterministic Networking data plane encapsulation solutions. The described data plane solutions can be applied over either IP or MPLS Packet Switched Networks. 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boundary="_000_VI1PR03MB147089B97BCCA76526CB063CE5A80VI1PR03MB1470eurp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: rad.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 8625dba8-ebea-428b-99f8-08d590e6a540 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Mar 2018 17:51:03.1364 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: f9047108-cc2c-4e48-97a3-43fad1b3bf9d X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: VI1PR03MB1135 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] nits to draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-14 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2018 17:51:13 -0000 --_000_VI1PR03MB147089B97BCCA76526CB063CE5A80VI1PR03MB1470eurp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable During the meeting this morning I perused the use case document, and found several issues that are worth fixing. In section 6.2: There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC5087] and [RFC4553], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as [RFC5086]. this should state There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC4553], [RFC50= 86], and [RFC5087], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as [MEF8]. since SAToP, CESoPSN, and TDMoIP all specify MPLS and UDP/IP encaps, but the IETF documents do not specify Ethernet transport. In 6.1.2 the problem with delay in 5G is attributed solely to the low-delay= slice, and in 6.3 we have discussion of xHaul networks where x=3Dfront, mid, back. This misses a fundamental feature of the 5G RAN, namely functional split op= tions (1 through 8). Split 1 is conventional backhaul and split 8 is conventional= fronthaul (downmixed and sampled RF). Splits between 2 and 7 are not "midhaul", but rather transport between different blocks of the decomposed gNb. The different splits have differing delay requirement, with higher numbered= splits being very delay sensitive even when the user traffic is not (due to constr= aints related to HARQ and ARQ). I should note that there are proposals for IP encapsulations for these inte= rmediate splits. (minor nits in this section scheduling pf fronthaul -> scheduling of fronth= aul, xHhaul -> xHaul) Another issue not completely explained is the difference between ITU-T G.82= 71 time requirements (Table 1 from 100 micro down to about 1.5 micro) and relative time requirem= ents (Table 2 from 260 ns down to 65 ns). G.8271.1 also has relevant information. The relative time requirement is si= milar to 3GPP's time alignment error. Y(J)S --_000_VI1PR03MB147089B97BCCA76526CB063CE5A80VI1PR03MB1470eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

 

During the meeting this morning I perused the use ca= se document,

and found several issues that are worth fixing.=

 

In section 6.2:

There are also existing solution= s for TDM over IP such as [RFC5087]

and [RFC4553], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as

[RFC5086].

this should state

There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC4553= ], [RF= C5086],

and [RFC5087], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as

[MEF8].

since SAToP, CESoPSN, and TDMoIP all specify MPLS an= d UDP/IP encaps,

but the IETF documents do not specify Ethernet trans= port.

 

In 6.1.2 the problem with delay in 5G is attributed = solely to the low-delay slice,

and in 6.3 we have discussion of xHaul networks wher= e x=3Dfront, mid, back.

This misses a fundamental feature of the 5G RAN, nam= ely functional split options

(1 through 8). Split 1 is conventional backhaul and = split 8 is conventional fronthaul

(downmixed and sampled RF). Splits between 2 and 7 a= re not “midhaul”,

but rather transport between different blocks of the= decomposed gNb.

The different splits have differing delay requiremen= t, with higher numbered splits

being very delay sensitive even when the user traffi= c is not (due to constraints related to HARQ and ARQ).

I should note that there are proposals for IP encaps= ulations for these intermediate splits.

 

(minor nits in this section scheduling pf fronthaul -> scheduling of fronthaul, xHhaul -> xHaul)<= o:p>

 

Another issue not completely explained is the differ= ence between ITU-T G.8271 time requirements

(Table 1 from 100 micro down to about 1.5 micro) and= relative time requirements (Table 2 from 260 ns down to 65 ns).

G.8271.1 also has relevant information. The relative= time requirement is similar to 3GPP’s time alignment error.

 

Y(J)S

 

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Would you be willing to propose replacement text for the sec= tion? I am not an expert in this domain. Jouni, any comments or suggestions= for replacement text? Thanks, Ethan. From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yaakov Stein Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:51 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] nits to draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-14 During the meeting this morning I perused the use case document, and found several issues that are worth fixing. In section 6.2: There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC5087] and [RFC4553], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as [RFC5086]. this should state There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC4553], [RFC50= 86], and [RFC5087], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as [MEF8]. since SAToP, CESoPSN, and TDMoIP all specify MPLS and UDP/IP encaps, but the IETF documents do not specify Ethernet transport. In 6.1.2 the problem with delay in 5G is attributed solely to the low-delay= slice, and in 6.3 we have discussion of xHaul networks where x=3Dfront, mid, back. This misses a fundamental feature of the 5G RAN, namely functional split op= tions (1 through 8). Split 1 is conventional backhaul and split 8 is conventional= fronthaul (downmixed and sampled RF). Splits between 2 and 7 are not "midhaul", but rather transport between different blocks of the decomposed gNb. The different splits have differing delay requirement, with higher numbered= splits being very delay sensitive even when the user traffic is not (due to constr= aints related to HARQ and ARQ). I should note that there are proposals for IP encapsulations for these inte= rmediate splits. (minor nits in this section scheduling pf fronthaul -> scheduling of fronth= aul, xHhaul -> xHaul) Another issue not completely explained is the difference between ITU-T G.82= 71 time requirements (Table 1 from 100 micro down to about 1.5 micro) and relative time requirem= ents (Table 2 from 260 ns down to 65 ns). G.8271.1 also has relevant information. The relative time requirement is si= milar to 3GPP's time alignment error. Y(J)S --_000_BY2PR0601MB159199D0DEA3292066FAFC25C4AF0BY2PR0601MB1591_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks Yaakov. Would you be willing to propose repla= cement text for the section? I am not an expert in this domain. Jouni, any = comments or suggestions for replacement text?

Thanks,

Ethan.

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org]= On Behalf Of Yaakov Stein
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:51 AM
To: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] nits to draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-14<= /p>

 

 

During the meeting this morning I perused the use ca= se document,

and found several issues that are worth fixing.=

 

In section 6.2:

There are also existing solution= s for TDM over IP such as [RFC5087]

and [RFC4553], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as

[RFC5086].

this should state

There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC4553= ], [RF= C5086],

and [RFC5087], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as

[MEF8].

since SAToP, CESoPSN, and TDMoIP all specify MPLS an= d UDP/IP encaps,

but the IETF documents do not specify Ethernet trans= port.

 

In 6.1.2 the problem with delay in 5G is attributed = solely to the low-delay slice,

and in 6.3 we have discussion of xHaul networks wher= e x=3Dfront, mid, back.

This misses a fundamental feature of the 5G RAN, nam= ely functional split options

(1 through 8). Split 1 is conventional backhaul and = split 8 is conventional fronthaul

(downmixed and sampled RF). Splits between 2 and 7 a= re not “midhaul”,

but rather transport between different blocks of the= decomposed gNb.

The different splits have differing delay requiremen= t, with higher numbered splits

being very delay sensitive even when the user traffi= c is not (due to constraints related to HARQ and ARQ).

I should note that there are proposals for IP encaps= ulations for these intermediate splits.

 

(minor nits in this section scheduling pf fronthaul -> scheduling of fronthaul, xHhaul -> xHaul)<= o:p>

 

Another issue not completely explained is the differ= ence between ITU-T G.8271 time requirements

(Table 1 from 100 micro down to about 1.5 micro) and= relative time requirements (Table 2 from 260 ns down to 65 ns).

G.8271.1 also has relevant information. The relative= time requirement is similar to 3GPP’s time alignment error.

 

Y(J)S

 

--_000_BY2PR0601MB159199D0DEA3292066FAFC25C4AF0BY2PR0601MB1591_-- From nobody Sat Mar 24 00:21:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B67612422F for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:21:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ujnDoxIJSLAT for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot0-x22b.google.com (mail-ot0-x22b.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::22b]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A17271205F0 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:21:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot0-x22b.google.com with SMTP id g97-v6so15644646otg.13 for ; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:21:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=iElDS7tggAylvBDSOZUPx5YPD5vA2IqZjZGzgI8y7C0=; b=JRDuQWmdnFwvsbzg7z52DQtBx7IstMIHVOQ4HAmt0XS/97hi+EHwoFnhqGWKwnvIWW CTO373wbJGnF3igGhyUCIT/aP8HWwS0MzL0UmZCClaqJTFGqvuGjyDJPuzbJpB3CMd+u hdACG3XBdjZYO2tj3luRiY7AqBgV/ehzk30BJzaiY81B/FKQ0Lqp+E25LTmxUtj96XxT 0hJBZW1lDypEqBO22cO6oF8cLVcqVbS06y0gNitK188lSeISvsSNuWauAlUvxK55d57O vW4aEdsz/+nQ8C782t87KLVrSk+fMr0lbkeLorX22ukdF37PKZzI+O6Y962VqkLTUiac 8XeA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=iElDS7tggAylvBDSOZUPx5YPD5vA2IqZjZGzgI8y7C0=; b=Z0XQjlpgJiH6QyTwVV98KSJe2PPjnzi2N6gECJ83dVNbjGf2UbSpN2hvFPWTzLsFk0 2DDe4UHcXShNkOXA4IYx9Jmq3Zijy/3j2T0g4FGM8I655Dy+ShLq5CvCEt7QX2w5MvdG OlzRuNWqfG9DNZLPADOzDyvZ5jQxbLVy8db9/x9zLTcJTds776n4nSqTEifT8oFy1rWY rRQuUr3sA+Fy0sP+PBsuyIxQwXwQ0lipCmKT8mYks02mddBYzTsqrr1Q+r4Darc4qdvx 4UkB39OXn0LBFU2o38hgMgYKTrzEcHv1M3i3v2OHi03KKvKy6L8AS63YAPMyzFS4Mk3G D/wQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7GL9dgrqAvd2LLPybJTio5/TL3S09En97X7gc1SUkCptRnP43xN 1JZZDNVcuW5+OW3SU8ILO9yobmh7bz48e/Hc5R0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELv5nd65AFjnbBNvnhDco6TRX9ZjjpmbY0nXU1IDOI+gaKHw/r+lOgH5vQH5jtSBN7t+segZ5fN4kGAzGhVmPMI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:b68:: with SMTP id p37-v6mr17786598otd.27.1521876106926; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:21:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:1f3a:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Mar 2018 00:21:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <0d163527-3d6e-4029-9d02-d43966767a6e.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> References: <0d163527-3d6e-4029-9d02-d43966767a6e.xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:21:26 +0000 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?B?5b6Q5bCP6JmOKOS5ieWFiCk=?= Cc: detnet Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bee8e205682364e1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Clarify my comment on draft-malis-detnet-ip-dp-00 at the mic X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2018 07:21:49 -0000 --000000000000bee8e205682364e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Xiaohu, Thanks, we=E2=80=99ll keep this in mind going forward. Cheers, Andy On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:33 AM, =E5=BE=90=E5=B0=8F=E8=99=8E(=E4=B9=89=E5= =85=88) wrote: > Hi all, > > It seems that draft-malis-detnet-ip-dp-00 proposes to use MPLS-SR-over-UD= P as an alternative Detnet encapsulation. Although MPLS-SR-over-UDP encapsu= lation as described in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-sr-over-i= p-00) is heavily built on the MPLS-in-UDP encapsulation specification [RFC7= 510], it does have some improvement considerations, such as how to overcome= the load-balancing issues encountered by the MPLS-SR, for more details, pl= ease see section 4.2.3 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-sr-over= -ip-00. > > In a word, it seems better to add a reference to draft-xu-mpls-sr-over-ip= in addition to RFC7510, IMHO. > > Best regards, > > Xiaohu > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > --000000000000bee8e205682364e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Xiaohu,

Thanks, we=E2=80=99ll keep = this in mind going forward.

Cheers,
Andy=


On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 11:33 AM, =E5=BE=90=E5=B0=8F=E8=99=8E(=E4= =B9=89=E5=85=88) <xiaohu.xxh@alibaba-inc.com> wrote= :
Hi all,
It seems=
 that draft-malis-detnet-ip-dp-00 proposes to use MPLS-SR-over-UDP as an al=
ternative Detnet encapsulation. Although MPLS-SR-over-UDP encapsulation as =
described in (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xu-mpls-sr-=
over-ip-00) is heavily built on the MPLS-in-UDP encapsulation specifica=
tion [RFC7510], it does have some improvement considerations, such as how t=
o overcome the load-balancing issues encountered by the MPLS-SR, for more d=
etails, please see section 4.2.3 of https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-xu-mpls-sr-over-ip-00. 
In a word, it s=
eems better to add a reference to draft-xu-mpls-sr-over-ip in addition to RFC7510, IMHO.
Best regards,
Xiaohu
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X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2104) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] nits to draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-14 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2018 21:04:27 -0000 Hi, Agree with the comment to Section 6.2. The proposed text is good. Regarding Sections 6.1.2 and 6.3 comments for different splits now = worked on in 3GPP, the text originates from late 2015 / early 2016 and = obviously that time the scope (the authors) were more interested in the = three discussed in the draft (as they also reflected the planned = operator deployments). Even the architecture in Figure 10 is not very = 5Gish anymore. Now that 5G numerology is better understood a lot of = refinements could be done. However, I would be slightly reluctant to = rework these Sections except for correcting errors. - Jouni > On 24 Mar 2018, at 04:11, Grossman, Ethan A. wrote: >=20 > Thanks Yaakov. Would you be willing to propose replacement text for = the section? I am not an expert in this domain. Jouni, any comments or = suggestions for replacement text? > Thanks, > Ethan. > =20 > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Yaakov = Stein > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2018 10:51 AM > To: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: [Detnet] nits to draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-14 > =20 > =20 > During the meeting this morning I perused the use case document, > and found several issues that are worth fixing. > =20 > In section 6.2: > There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC5087] > and [RFC4553], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as > [RFC5086]. > this should state > There are also existing solutions for TDM over IP such as [RFC4553], = [RFC5086], > and [RFC5087], as well as TDM over Ethernet transports such as > [MEF8]. > since SAToP, CESoPSN, and TDMoIP all specify MPLS and UDP/IP encaps, > but the IETF documents do not specify Ethernet transport. > =20 > In 6.1.2 the problem with delay in 5G is attributed solely to the = low-delay slice, > and in 6.3 we have discussion of xHaul networks where x=3Dfront, mid, = back. > This misses a fundamental feature of the 5G RAN, namely functional = split options > (1 through 8). Split 1 is conventional backhaul and split 8 is = conventional fronthaul > (downmixed and sampled RF). Splits between 2 and 7 are not = =E2=80=9Cmidhaul=E2=80=9D, > but rather transport between different blocks of the decomposed gNb. > The different splits have differing delay requirement, with higher = numbered splits > being very delay sensitive even when the user traffic is not (due to = constraints related to HARQ and ARQ). > I should note that there are proposals for IP encapsulations for these = intermediate splits. > =20 > (minor nits in this section scheduling pf fronthaul -> scheduling of = fronthaul, xHhaul -> xHaul) > =20 > Another issue not completely explained is the difference between ITU-T = G.8271 time requirements > (Table 1 from 100 micro down to about 1.5 micro) and relative time = requirements (Table 2 from 260 ns down to 65 ns). > G.8271.1 also has relevant information. 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