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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 42-v6sm17844829wrx.24.2018.05.01.09.50.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 01 May 2018 09:50:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Stewart Bryant To: "detnet@ietf.org" Message-ID: <2f52f389-2054-3412-6018-cb32537d0aec@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 1 May 2018 17:50:54 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-mpls-01.mkd in markdown format X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 16:51:02 -0000 At the last virtual meeting we discussed markdown, and I was asked if I would convert the existing text to markdown format to show the rest of the team what it was like. Starting with the 00 text which I generated from the 00 xml in the WG github MPLS area I produced the following .mkd https://www.dropbox.com/s/fc9wkr1q0vy470y/draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-mpls-01.mkd?dl=0 This I compiled locally to the following text file: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ezn70jmnlpwbe31/draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-mpls-01.txt?dl=0 I then generated the xml (it is normally deleted in my build script) https://www.dropbox.com/s/ijuw8qe8kxxrfpf/draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-mpls-01.xml?dl=0 and ran Lou's makefile on it and got the following: https://www.dropbox.com/s/s89qsa55phm9msu/draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-mpls-01.html?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/d8csezy9c5pjf4d/draft-ietf-detnet-dp-sol-mpls-01.raw?dl=0 The format is not identical to the original, but it's close enough for practical purposes. Only thing I need to figure out in the syntax for an appendix. I have done it before and will look at what is needed. I would like to start editing and submitting text to get convergence between the WG work to data and the work I did prio to the last IETF. I am trying to figure out the most productive way to do that. Best regards Stewart From nobody Tue May 1 16:14:32 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7B7126DED; Tue, 1 May 2018 16:14:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.79.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152521647065.10825.2263852357821398554@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 16:14:30 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 01 May 2018 23:14:31 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking Architecture Authors : Norman Finn Pascal Thubert Balázs Varga János Farkas Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05.txt Pages : 41 Date : 2018-05-01 Abstract: Deterministic Networking (DetNet) provides a capability to carry specified unicast or multicast data flows for real-time applications with extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. Techniques used include: 1) reserving data plane resources for individual (or aggregated) DetNet flows in some or all of the intermediate nodes (e.g. bridges or routers) along the path of the flow; 2) providing explicit routes for DetNet flows that do not rapidly change with the network topology; and 3) distributing data from DetNet flow packets over time and/or space to ensure delivery of each packet's data' in spite of the loss of a path. The capabilities can be managed by configuration, or by manual or automatic network management. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-architecture/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Malis" Date: Wed, 2 May 2018 14:47:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A1nos_Farkas?= Cc: DetNet WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003175af056b3d861c" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 May 2018 18:47:55 -0000 --0000000000003175af056b3d861c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I=E2=80=99ve read the problem statement and believe that it is ready for publication. Cheers, Andy On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:29 PM, J=C3=A1nos Farkas wrote: > Dear All, > > This starts a two week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on > draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03. > > The WGLC ends on May 16. > > Please send your comments to the DetNet mailing list. > > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is > ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. > > Thank you, > DetNet Chairs > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --0000000000003175af056b3d861c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I=E2=80=99ve read the problem statement and believe that i= t is ready for publication.

Cheers,
Andy
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On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:29 PM, J=C3=A1nos Farkas &l= t;janos.fark= as@ericsson.com> wrote:
Dea= r All,

This starts a two week Working Group Last Call (WGLC) on draft-ietf-detnet-= problem-statement-03.

The WGLC ends on May 16.

Please send your comments to the DetNet mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe = it is ready for publication", are welcome!
This is useful and important, even from authors.

Thank you,
DetNet Chairs


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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u35-v6sm14891042wrc.29.2018.05.03.07.56.42 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 03 May 2018 07:56:42 -0700 (PDT) To: =?UTF-8?Q?J=c3=a1nos_Farkas?= , DetNet WG References: <12d4d02b-d8da-81b5-c610-50facc798c26@ericsson.com> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <034a09e4-03a1-679f-91d4-d5c549de3996@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 3 May 2018 15:56:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <12d4d02b-d8da-81b5-c610-50facc798c26@ericsson.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------AD4694641777C012613DCE9E" Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-problem-statement-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 03 May 2018 14:56:48 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------AD4694641777C012613DCE9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This is basically ready, but I think a few items need attention before this goes to the IESG: As a result of this work, it will be possible to establish a multi- hop path over the IP network, SB> I think that should be an IP or MPLS network ============= The goals of Deterministic Networking are to enable the migration of applications that use special-purpose fieldbus technologies (HDMI, CANbus, ProfiBus, etc... even RS-232!) to packet technologies in general, and the Internet Protocol in particular, and to support both these new applications, and existing packet network applications, over the same physical network. SB> I think there should be some text here indicating that DN is SB> required to support these migrations when there are critical SB> timing and reliability issues. SB> SB> Where such issues are not critical, the Pseudowires or L2TP tunnels SB> will normally be adequate. Indeed they have proved adequate for TDM SB> and SDH emulation which are quite fickle services to emulate. ============== * Need a packet loss ratio beyond the classical range for a particular medium, in the range of 10^-9 to 10^-12, or better, on Ethernet, and in the order of 10^-5 in Wireless Sensor Mesh Networks; SB> I am worried whether or not we are setting unreasonable expectations SB> here. How many packet copies do we think we need to send SB> to reduce the BER by 10? =============== 4. Robust defenses against misbehaving hosts, routers, or bridges, SB> s/defenses/defences/  both in the data and control planes, with guarantees that a critical flow within its guaranteed resources cannot be affected by other flows whatever the pressures on the network; ================= These limits may depend in the technology that is used to seu th epath up, whether it is centralized or distributed. SB> Hopefully no my fat fingers in my marked up copy, but it should be: SB> "set the path" ================= 3. The path is installed using RSVP-TE, associated with flow identification, per-hop behavior such as replication and elimination, blocked resources, and flow timing information. SB> This is too prescriptive on approach for a problem statement. SB> There might well be an approach that surfaces from the Segment Routing SB> or VPN+ work based on use of the IGP. ================ Security must cover: SB> I think should be "Security must also cover". If not the dynamic SB> requirement which is unique to DN should be top of the list.  o the protection of the signaling protocol SB> True, but isn't this currently out of scope (and not sure about the next point) Best Regards - Stewart --------------AD4694641777C012613DCE9E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

This is basically ready, but I think a few items need attention before this goes to the IESG:

   As a result of this work, it will be possible to establish a multi-
   hop path over the IP network, 

SB> I think that should be an IP or MPLS network

=============

  The goals of Deterministic Networking are to enable the migration of
   applications that use special-purpose fieldbus technologies (HDMI,
   CANbus, ProfiBus, etc... even RS-232!) to packet technologies in
   general, and the Internet Protocol in particular, and to support both
   these new applications, and existing packet network applications,
   over the same physical network.

SB> I think there should be some text here indicating that DN is
SB> required to support these migrations when there are critical
SB> timing and reliability issues.
SB>
SB> Where such issues are not critical, the Pseudowires or L2TP tunnels
SB> will normally be adequate. Indeed they have proved adequate for TDM
SB> and SDH emulation which are quite fickle services to emulate.
 
==============

       *  Need a packet loss ratio beyond the classical range for a
          particular medium, in the range of 10^-9 to 10^-12, or better,
          on Ethernet, and in the order of 10^-5 in Wireless Sensor Mesh
          Networks;

SB> I am worried whether or not we are setting unreasonable expectations
SB> here.  How many packet copies do we think we need to send
SB> to reduce the BER by 10? 

===============

   4.  Robust defenses against misbehaving hosts, routers, or bridges,
SB> s/defenses/defences/
       both in the data and control planes, with guarantees that a
       critical flow within its guaranteed resources cannot be affected
       by other flows whatever the pressures on the network;

=================

These limits may depend in the technology that is used to
   seu th epath up, whether it is centralized or distributed.

SB> Hopefully no my fat fingers in my marked up copy, but it should be:
SB> "set the path"

=================

   3.  The path is installed using RSVP-TE, associated with flow
       identification, per-hop behavior such as replication and
       elimination, blocked resources, and flow timing information.

SB> This is too prescriptive on approach for a problem statement.
SB> There might well be an approach that surfaces from the Segment Routing
SB> or VPN+ work based on use of the IGP.


================

  Security must cover:

SB> I think should be "Security must also cover". If not the dynamic
SB> requirement which is unique to DN should be top of the list.

 o  the protection of the signaling protocol

SB> True, but isn't this currently out of scope (and not sure about the next point)


Best Regards

- Stewart
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Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 05:23:46 -0000 Hi, =20 We have had again a good discussion during the working meeting.=20 Agenda & discussion results as follows: - GitHub status: no changes in the documents - Terminology discussion: we keep "draft-ietf-detnet-architecture" terminol= ogy. Updating terminology section in the data-plane drafts to provide hints= for MPLS folks (e.g., Edge node =3D (T-)PE node, Relay node =3D S-PE node = and Transit node =3D P node in MPLS terminology, etc.). - Going through Stewart's detailed comments with the results (using draft-b= ryant-detnet-mpls-dp-00 as input text, references in brackets) - Updating PREF --> PR, EF and IoD - Adding OAM related material - Merging/adding flow aggregation related material - Adding explicit text about payload type (sec.7.) discussion, i.e., it is= determined by S-label (add example of IPv4, IPv6 flows) - Update elements procedures (sec.9.) - Update CoS and QoS sections (Note: meeting closed at section 5.2.1 related comments) - Format of the update: pull request in GitHub, before end of the weekend Next working meeting: 9th May, 16:00-17:30 CEST Cheers Bala'zs (& Jouni) -----Original Appointment----- From: DetNet Working Group [mailto:detnet-chairs@ietf.org]=20 Sent: 2018. m=E1jus 1. 8:45 To: DetNet Working Group; Bal=E1zs Varga A Subject: DetNet working meeting When: 2018. m=E1jus 2. 17:00-18:30 Northern Europe Time. 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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a139sm1641394wma.43.2018.05.04.07.08.07 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 04 May 2018 07:08:08 -0700 (PDT) To: "detnet@ietf.org" From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <7d8d123a-849c-9994-d48c-2c747628baef@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 May 2018 15:08:08 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Addressing agreed changes to the -mpls draft from Wednesday X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 04 May 2018 14:08:12 -0000 I have done some of the changes - these are inline with the discussion we had on Wednesday. I have made a pull request. I would like to propose text around PREF-> PRF + PEF + PROF, but need to know if the pull request worked. I also need to know how to proceed next. Do I wait for an ack from the editors? Presumably if I get that I do a resync of some sort? Either way do I continue editing and committing to my existing fork, or do I make a new one, and what do I base that on. 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The three commits are now merged into the master. > I would like to propose text around PREF-> PRF + PEF + PROF, but need = to know if the pull request worked. I also need to know how to proceed = next. What=E2=80=99s PROF? Reordering? >=20 > Do I wait for an ack from the editors? Ack. > Presumably if I get that I do a resync of some sort? >=20 > Either way do I continue editing and committing to my existing fork, = or do I make a new one, and what do I base that on. >=20 > Best regards >=20 > Stewart >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Tue May 8 04:48:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C66E12D962 for ; Tue, 8 May 2018 04:48:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.329 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.329 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FROM_EXCESS_BASE64=0.979, HTML_FONT_LOW_CONTRAST=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, 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Stewart to propose text. - Continue to go through Stewart's detailed comments: - DetNet Bridging and Routing service: discussion on a better term fo= r service than "bridging". G.8011 and MEF10.4 gives whole framework. RFC5828 to be considered as well. - Fig 6 Encap format for DetNet Bridging: CW to be added. (Discussion= to call it "shim" or DetNet CW, agreed to call CW) - 5.3.1 Do we need interworking function? Discussion result: Leave interwor= king in here and sort out later on. - 6.3 D-CW size 28 bits vs 16. Agree must do 16, must do 28. Quiet on varia= ble in this spec. If someone wants to add that, it will be a new spec. - Bi-direc vs two uni-dir: Replace note about delete this section with rewr= ite this section. Agreed that we need this. Need text in 7.2 to make this c= lear. - Section 8: Time sync: Agree this is longer discussion, need to continue n= ext time. - Next working meeting: 29th May: 8am Pacific (MPLS) 30th May: 7am Pacific. (IP) - GitHub: After making a commit, do git pull, will also flag if merge is ne= eded. Only Jouni can push to master, so unlikely to get clash. -------------------------------------------------------------------- --_000_BY2PR0601MB159135C5B5D64B83EB0E7A0CC4980BY2PR0601MB1591_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Agenda & discussion results of the working meeting are as follows:=
- GitHub status: 3 updates happened
           &nbs= p;    - fixing typos: changes agreed, we get rid of local ID= in the draft
           &nbs= p;    - aggregation: discussion on aggregation impact on PRE= F
  Comments for aggregation to be past= ed as note in aggregation chapter.
           &nbs= p;    - OAM: text agreed, no GAL in the first version
- Terminology discussion:
- Split the term PREF in the draft into th= ree functions: (1) PR replication, (2) PE elimination and (3) PROF packet r= eorder function.
- Use PRREF as collective name for all thr= ee functions (includes Replication and Re-ordering and Elimination Function= )
- Time limiting of reordering function. Stewart to propose text.
- Continue to go through Stewart's detailed comments:
- DetNet Bridging and Routing service: di= scussion on a better term for service than “bridging”. G.8011 a= nd MEF10.4 gives whole framework.
  RFC5828 to be considered as well.
- Fig 6 Encap format for DetNet Bridging:= CW to be added. (Discussion to call it “shim” or DetNet CW, ag= reed to call CW)
- 5.3.1 Do we need interworking function? = Discussion result: Leave interworking in here and sort out later on.
- 6.3 D-CW size 28 bits vs 16. Agree must = do 16, must do 28. Quiet on variable in this spec. If someone wants to add = that, it will be a new spec.
- Bi-direc vs two uni-dir: Replace note ab= out delete this section with rewrite this section. Agreed that we need this= . Need text in 7.2 to make this clear.
- Section 8: Time sync: Agree this is long= er discussion, need to continue next time.
- Next working meeting:
29th May: 8am Pacific (MPLS)
30th May: 7am Pacific. (IP)
- GitHub: After making a commit, do git pull, will also flag if merge = is needed. Only Jouni can push to master, so unlikely to get clash.
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> > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty > . > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > From nobody Fri May 11 08:23:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5687512D94E for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 08:23:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y6VbzmpZOjWS for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A821D12D958 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 08:23:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw12.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.12]) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038C91AB869 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 09:22:12 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id H9rofDbuSogS3H9rofVKJa; Fri, 11 May 2018 09:21:56 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:To:References:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=GreeHd/0wzPhyqy2JcgSYPSYTlfbeeD7XEvdrXpKdH0=; b=A5llrB3bGQSgQPfXR/wq0w9gG+ JVbZSeeXpzDXVJJ1i+5FkIEoWah2OPLGIlHQqOtWjopb5lYyiiIw6lsSNZYl6jnjP4O8cdUSr6HZk 4xeQ/huwGczrr+q2Whsj3VamV; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:34920 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fH9s3-003p8o-Ky for detnet@ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2018 09:22:11 -0600 References: To: "detnet@ietf.org" From: Lou Berger X-Forwarded-Message-Id: Message-ID: <5f6f0e7d-1a0c-3a12-9ba3-7a122f52a13b@labn.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 11:22:10 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1fH9s3-003p8o-Ky X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:34920 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Fwd: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-13 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 15:23:05 -0000 Hi, I can't find this in the archives so am reposting for the record... Lou -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-13 Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 15:00:46 +0000 From: Stojsavljevic, Petra To: Maik Seewald (maseewal) , Lou Berger , ethan.grossman@dolby.com , craig.gunther@harman.com , Pascal Thubert (pthubert) , Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw) , raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca , jouni.nospam@gmail.com , yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp , sdas@appcomsci.com , zhayiyong@huawei.com , balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com , janos.farkas@ericsson.com , franz-josef.goetz@siemens.com , juergen.jues.schmitt@siemens.com , xvilajosana@worldsensing.com , toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk , spis@intracom-telecom.com , petra.vizarreta@lkn.ei.tum.de , huang.guangping@zte.com.cn , gengxuesong@huawei.com , diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl CC: DetNet Chairs , DetNet WG No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Petra Stojsavljevic Vizarreta ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Maik Seewald (maseewal) *Sent:* Thursday, February 15, 2018 3:28:50 PM *To:* Lou Berger; ethan.grossman@dolby.com; craig.gunther@harman.com; Pascal Thubert (pthubert); Patrick Wetterwald (pwetterw); raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca; jouni.nospam@gmail.com; yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp; sdas@appcomsci.com; zhayiyong@huawei.com; balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com; janos.farkas@ericsson.com; franz-josef.goetz@siemens.com; juergen.jues.schmitt@siemens.com; xvilajosana@worldsensing.com; toktam.mahmoodi@kcl.ac.uk; spis@intracom-telecom.com; petra.vizarreta@lkn.ei.tum.de; huang.guangping@zte.com.cn; gengxuesong@huawei.com; diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl *Cc:* DetNet Chairs; DetNet WG *Subject:* Re: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-13 "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft² Maik Seewald On 14.02.18, 19:28, "Lou Berger" wrote: > > >Authors, Contributors, WG, > >As part of the preparation for WG LC: > >Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > >Please state either: > >"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" >or >"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > >If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules >(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > >If yes to the above, please state either: > >"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" >or >"No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > >If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think >appropriate. > >If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the >above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are >aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next >stage until a response has been received from each author and listed >contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S >TO LINES. > >If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed >as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under >the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are >aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from >participating in any contribution or discussion related to your >undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above >and >http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > >Thank you, >DetNet WG Chairs > >PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your >response. > > From nobody Fri May 11 09:40:03 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F4E112E8DF for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 09:40:01 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nwDlsA8oosSa for ; 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bh=iH+Xv963GCW5nnOzi0zfUTPXdV59XcSWOLjSGMtc7No=; b=XFHP1elDXHvpMue0UYlc7UaUsT +3HwI60APto90Ahy2YZGO7T9gvZjOL2eVs6op+i/MYgss4vYe2+29bPYeH8u+yFiBUm5p0tVGRmiZ D4WkVOAUfM5XwPiAt0b4rK4rF; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:41538 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fHB5K-0048cP-BU for detnet@ietf.org; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:39:58 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: "detnet@ietf.org" References: <61C6ED9D-908B-4967-B4EC-0D03F16983B3@gmail.com> Message-ID: <31ee61fd-b8ae-5c16-f59a-5c5645874a72@labn.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 12:39:57 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <61C6ED9D-908B-4967-B4EC-0D03F16983B3@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1fHB5K-0048cP-BU X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:41538 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 7 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Fwd: Re: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-13 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 16:40:01 -0000 another one that seems to be missing from the archive... -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-13 Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2018 14:22:00 +0100 From: Spiros Spirou To: ethan.grossman@dolby.com, craig.gunther@harman.com, pthubert@cisco.com, pwetterw@cisco.com, raymond.jean@hydro.qc.ca, jouni.nospam@gmail.com, yu1.kaneko@toshiba.co.jp, sdas@appcomsci.com, zhayiyong@huawei.com, balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com, janos.farkas@ericsson.com, franz-josef.goetz@siemens.com, juergen.jues.schmitt@siemens.com, Xavier Vilajosana , Mahmoodi, Toktam , petra.vizarreta@lkn.ei.tum.de, huang.guangping@zte.com.cn, gengxuesong@huawei.com, diego.dujovne@mail.udp.cl, maseewal@cisco.com CC: detnet@ietf.org, detnet-chairs@ietf.org Hi all, No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Thanks, Spiros > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of the preparation for WG LC: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. > > If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author and listed > contributor. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S > TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty > . > > Thank you, > DetNet WG Chairs > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Fri May 11 09:49:07 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70DEB126D05 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 09:49:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pTZIFjiAy9Wv for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy3-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.30.42]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E58F91242F7 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 09:49:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw11.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.11]) by gproxy3.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A663640222 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:49:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id HBDnfakj7SOcSHBDnf6IFi; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:48:43 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Cc:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=6PzPDNWAUgJH03C6982ew+wtg9MDy11pVKCmX443ZBc=; b=2Mf1JGb03drd5WofcsP27rOKQU iX+RdAr7zisCXPhsGU132GMbO9axnEVWcff2tDXh0+kDUrkZyNv7+XBpflCpnCWES9ey7Q9Qb7DRU tx6hzDLRjm27KbghomOh+YkWa; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:41686 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fHBE7-004Ap1-FV; Fri, 11 May 2018 10:49:03 -0600 To: "detnet@ietf.org" From: Lou Berger Cc: zhayiyong Message-ID: <8f0eb8af-bc5b-4669-f29a-08dd3488cc92@labn.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 12:49:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1fHBE7-004Ap1-FV X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:41686 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 8 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] next steps on draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-15 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 16:49:05 -0000 Hi all, As far as I can tell we still are missing one IPR response on the detnet-use-cases draft. As such we'd like to move forward with with the presumption that this person is no longer an active contributor to this document and this be reflected in the document by removing them from contributor section and noting their past contribution in the acknowledgement sections (e.g., as some who contribute to the document, but is no longer active in the WG.) This shame change will also need to the draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-mode. Yiyong Zha, If I missed your response, I sincerely apologize and request that you send a new response to the original IPR poll message. Thank you, Lou (as co-chair) From nobody Fri May 11 14:47:31 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FCD412D941 for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 14:47:30 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95NyLAcf8-eU for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 14:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy7-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [70.40.196.235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C53A12D93F for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 14:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw13.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy7.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A505E2166FF for ; Fri, 11 May 2018 15:43:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id HFp1fvDxJUuOPHFp1fjaWW; Fri, 11 May 2018 15:43:27 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Cc:To:Subject:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/jlHlWrpefhasMFDlJJaAWJOWP0RpCGxiNQ6WRrzP08=; b=lrBxM8ul/CqznOU4QRUN6Jwh94 uygoX6jabug9E0QdBl3+hO9X2wE1czdd6I5P76Wzws/4YycDD4fueovCCSQt1PLNNP5j7f+KE66Dm JMx0HSkD10hE8chsB7BO9Tdm9; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:37726 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fHFpJ-000vZ8-Fo; Fri, 11 May 2018 15:43:45 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: DetNet WG Cc: DetNet Chairs Message-ID: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 17:43:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Exim-ID: 1fHFpJ-000vZ8-Fo X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:37726 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 13 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2018 21:47:30 -0000 All, This starts a two-week working group last call on draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 The working group last call ends on May 25. Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! This is useful and important, even from authors. Thank you, DetNet Chairs From nobody Mon May 14 05:12:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EE2112DA4C; Mon, 14 May 2018 05:12:12 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vA_QITYI6Y_R; Mon, 14 May 2018 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ot0-x230.google.com (mail-ot0-x230.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c0f::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44E8C124BFA; Mon, 14 May 2018 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ot0-x230.google.com with SMTP id l22-v6so13961272otj.0; Mon, 14 May 2018 05:12:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=biiwILwdodk/fv9RlY25OeZEboGYvy4s6ybvTit7DQA=; b=DNnVVgRPqTgrg6ebQ/sLjkU8fT6xlxkzxCPAffrFO70+lwT4BHnzKVdhLWO7IE2wjW aeOg2FQZPvqql6IjWVQj3qUDphO7p2iqMlMiy7NdguTO1WLTao3OVmciIksp1bxI1tEJ wXTSF7QcwZkSXHHmf6G43pEAgAU+gPRuv2ViCE4YbQCR3P+wXeIK/c8klndcnIVxbp2A qbDtQyuMIJbRZSESOdF9534QOBECj2k5dfr/MwgzCBRKilwrp4EEzmLYCojbSP6ZV5tl KJJWqUB9d1QVcy2u8dgfgYt5SEIyRirVQyTe3vQm11Ge6l7UcKkd3GgjB9EvX6KGYohL D4pg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=biiwILwdodk/fv9RlY25OeZEboGYvy4s6ybvTit7DQA=; b=cfNl0F+f/5AQg2W5TZovZz6RsBsjqAnwd7Ss0GYTxZbtJRBRNqz2pAD1mw5oQ52RcN XahICngM8KMnuAcwq1nbsdOKDAboHppkoQnBaArFHoNrdTGBx6Fjczx3vVaymHwoigxi bR3QrVFXPn5EB+sr13yoGwm5BgfvEPp4Jc6CQSY24B5gbl+OLDyeCpbJ4ypKqqGhSyu4 trqdamUndGlz5GuPozZlTObgCsMuI3PdkNycjj+4ce+W7iAqov/UyBi9zDpoqHH6fBwi BwjL/RqSq/TSoXCzYRwb8K+8cQk9ad116/ZzwiDRyPC2ZoNqML2K0FjgCc73J6hgqSK8 wQ8A== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPweFPGEzNf/a5QJw1OnBAHqZABpYd/UOnG9R3CrRc/f9B5Tx0B74 OwC5IJ0M+W8NwFLIUQ5MNclY9ND/Rs85kMKjJZ0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZpX6cOYrtwCLYFF0A65sHNhQNW2niYM8NYgmD4vzR7Bi+9AVYmwGBKhZnsTb+FoYWCxQ9cnDnCgSStx2oqxmok= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:440b:: with SMTP id u11-v6mr6652557ote.276.1526299928658; Mon, 14 May 2018 05:12:08 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:1f27:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Mon, 14 May 2018 05:11:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> References: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 08:11:48 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: DetNet WG , DetNet Chairs Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001187e7056c2965f4" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 May 2018 12:12:12 -0000 --0000000000001187e7056c2965f4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" IMHO, this draft is ready for publication. Cheers, Andy On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This starts a two-week working group last call on > draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 > > The working group last call ends on May 25. > Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. > > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document > and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. > > Thank you, > DetNet Chairs > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --0000000000001187e7056c2965f4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMHO, this draft is ready for publication.

<= div>Cheers,
Andy


On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 5:43 PM, Lou Be= rger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
All,

This starts a two-week working group last call on
draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05

The working group last call ends on May 25.
Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list.

Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document
and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome!
This is useful and important, even from authors.

Thank you,
DetNet Chairs

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--0000000000001187e7056c2965f4-- From nobody Tue May 15 19:54:44 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BEF7F124B18; Tue, 15 May 2018 19:54:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.80.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <152643928266.30941.13457644507193762890@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 15 May 2018 19:54:42 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 02:54:43 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking Use Cases Author : Ethan Grossman Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16.txt Pages : 90 Date : 2018-05-15 Abstract: This draft documents requirements in several diverse industries to establish multi-hop paths for characterized flows with deterministic properties. In this context deterministic implies that streams can be established which provide guaranteed bandwidth and latency which can be established from either a Layer 2 or Layer 3 (IP) interface, and which can co-exist on an IP network with best-effort traffic. Additional requirements include optional redundant paths, very high reliability paths, time synchronization, and clock distribution. Industries considered include professional audio, electrical utilities, building automation systems, wireless for industrial, cellular radio, industrial machine-to-machine, mining, private blockchain, and network slicing. For each case, this document will identify the application, identify representative solutions used today, and the improvements IETF DetNet solutions may enable. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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In my opinion is ready for publication. regards *Xavier Vilajosana* *CIO* Office: [ +34] 93 418 0585 Cell: [ +34] 646 633 681 xvilajosana@worldsensing.com Missatge de Grossman, Ethan A. del dia dc., 16 de maig 2018 a les 18:52: > As editor of the draft, I have reviewed the draft and believe it is ready > for publication. > Ethan. > > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:31 AM > To: DetNet WG > Cc: DetNet Chairs > Subject: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 > > All, > > This starts a two-week working group last call for > draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 > > The working group last call ends on May 30. > Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. > > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is > ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. > > Thank you, > DetNet Chairs > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --=20 =20 =20 =20 BARCELONAViriat, 47, Edificio Numancia 1, 10th floor, 08014 Barcelona,=20 Spain LONDON9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair - London W1K 3AT, United Kingdom -=20 +44 (0) 203 807 2495 This email may contain confidential information and=20 may be subject to professional secrecy. 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regards

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As editor of the d= raft, I have reviewed the draft and believe it is ready for publication. Ethan.

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All,

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Thank you. Regards, Diego Dujovne 2018-05-17 12:39 GMT-04:00 Xavier Vilajosana = : > Hi all, > > I read the draft. In my opinion is ready for publication. > > regards > *Xavier Vilajosana* > *CIO* > Office:[+34] 93 418 0585 > Cell:[+34] 646 633 681 > xvilajosana@worldsensing.com > > > > Missatge de Grossman, Ethan A. del dia dc., 16 de maig > 2018 a les 18:52: > >> As editor of the draft, I have reviewed the draft and believe it is read= y >> for publication. >> Ethan. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger >> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 5:31 AM >> To: DetNet WG >> Cc: DetNet Chairs >> Subject: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 >> >> All, >> >> This starts a two-week working group last call for >> draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 >> >> The working group last call ends on May 30. >> Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. >> >> Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document and believe it is >> ready for publication", are welcome! >> This is useful and important, even from authors. >> >> Thank you, >> DetNet Chairs >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> > > > > > > *BARCELONA* > Viriat, 47, Edificio Numancia 1, 10th floor, 08014 Barcelona, Spain > *LONDON* > 9-10 Carlos Place, Mayfair - London W1K 3AT, United Kingdom - +44 (0) 203 > 807 2495 > This email may contain confidential information and may be subject to > professional secrecy. 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Dear all,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0I have read the draft and I think it is ready for publication.
Tha= nk you.
Regards,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Diego Dujovne

2018-05-17 12:39 GMT-04:= 00 Xavier Vilajosana <xvilajosana@worldsensing.com>:
Hi all,
I read the draft. In my opinion is ready for publication.
=

regards


Missatge de Grossm= an, Ethan A. <eagr= os@dolby.com> del dia dc., 16 de maig 2018 a les 18:52:
As= editor of the draft, I have reviewed the draft and believe it is ready for= publication.
Ethan.

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[213.123.124.182]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id j8-v6sm38433708wra.58.2018.05.23.09.02.06 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 23 May 2018 09:02:06 -0700 (PDT) To: Lou Berger , DetNet WG Cc: DetNet Chairs References: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> From: Stewart Bryant Message-ID: <7cc44e35-cbd0-fbdb-95b7-c93ab38ec5d7@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 17:02:05 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-GB Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 23 May 2018 16:11:56 -0000 Some WG last call comments on draft-ietf-detnet-architecture Best Regards Stewart ============= Abstract    The capabilities can be managed by    configuration, or by manual or automatic network management. SB> I am not sure that network management (at least in the IETF is SB> quite the right term. Most people think of what is described here SB> as automatic network management as a routing protocol. =============== 1.  Introduction    Deterministic Networking (DetNet) is a service that can be offered by    a network to DetNet flows.  DetNet provides these flows extremely low s/flows/flows with/ =========    Many applications of interest to Deterministic Networking SB> That is surely the wrong way round - the applications are SB> interested in DN rather than DN being interested in the Apps? ==========    source            An end system capable of sourcing a DetNet flow. SB> Shouldn't that be a DetNet source, since you can have SB> both DetNet and non-DetNet sources in a DetNet enabled network. ===========     DetNet transit node            A node operating at the DetNet transport layer, that utilizes            link layer and/or network layer switching across multiple            links and/or sub-networks to provide paths for DetNet service            layer functions.  Optionally provides congestion protection            over those paths.  An MPLS LSR is an example of a DetNet            transit node. SB> In that example it would have to be a DetNet enable/aware LSR. An SB> ordinary LSR would not know anything about DetNet. ============= 2.2.  IEEE 802 TSN to DetNet dictionary    This section also serves as a dictionary for translating from the    terms used by the IEEE 802 Time-Sensitive Networking (TSN) Task Group    to those of the DetNet WG.    Listener            The IEEE 802 term for a destination of a DetNet flow.    relay system            The IEEE 802 term for a DetNet intermediate node.    Stream            The IEEE 802 term for a DetNet flow.    Talker            The IEEE 802 term for the source of a DetNet flow. SB> Whilst I cannot comment on IEEE definitions, I am suprised SB> that in our text a Listener is not called an 802 TSN Listener etc =============    The paths are typically (but not necessarily) explicit    routes, so that they cannot suffer temporary interruptions caused by    the reconvergence of routing or bridging protocols. SB> I think cannot is too strong. I think the best that you can say SB> is "do not normally". SB> ============    These three techniques can be applied independently, giving eight    possible combinations, including none (no DetNet), although some    combinations are of wider utility than others.  This separation keeps    the protocol stack coherent and maximizes interoperability with    existing and developing standards in this (IETF) and other Standards    Development Organizations.  Some examples of typical expected    combinations:    o  Explicit routes plus service protection are exactly the techniques       employed by [HSR-PRP].  Explicit routes are achieved by limiting       the physical topology of the network, and the sequentialization,       replication, and duplicate elimination are facilitated by packet       tags added at the front or the end of Ethernet frames. SB> ER can be done virtually as well as physically. RSVP is a type of SB> ER, as is Adj-SID based SR, and we can design other types.    o  Congestion protection alone is is offered by IEEE 802.1 Audio       Video bridging [IEEE802.1BA-2011].  As long as the network suffers       no failures, zero congestion loss can be achieved through the use       of a reservation protocol (MSRP), shapers in every bridge, and a       bit of network calculus. SB> Network calculus needs a reference. It is not well known outside detnet. ================ 3.2.3.  Jitter Reduction    A core objective of DetNet is to enable the convergence of Non-IP    networks onto a common network infrastructure. SB> I think that  this needs to be clarified that it is the convergence SB> of sensitive Non-IP. PW has been doing this convergence since inception, SB> and can handle what some would expect to be sensitive applications SB> such as TDM telephony quite well.    This requires the    accurate emulation of currently deployed mission-specific networks,    which typically rely on point-to-point analog (e.g. 4-20mA    modulation) and serial-digital cables (or buses) for highly reliable,    synchronized and jitter-free communications.  While the latency of    analog transmissions is basically the speed of light, legacy serial    links are usually slow (in the order of Kbps) compared to, say, GigE,    and some latency is usually acceptable.  What is not acceptable is    the introduction of excessive jitter, which may, for instance, affect    the stability of control systems. SB> See above, I think this needs a few caveats. ===============    Packet replication and elimination, also known as seamless redundancy    [HSR-PRP], or 1+1 hitless protection, is a function of the DetNet    service layer.  It involves three capabilities: SB> I am concerned at the prominence of the HSR-PRP reference. As far SB> as I can tell this is only available for fee of 300 Euro. ============    In the simplest case, this amounts to replicating each packet in a    source that has two interfaces, and conveying them through the    network, along separate paths, to the similarly dual-homed    destinations, that discard the extras.  This ensures that one path    (with zero congestion loss) remains, even if some intermediate node    fails.  The sequence numbers can also be used for loss detection and    for re-ordering. SB> Sure, but of course you need to do SRLG risk analysis, and even then SB> two failures are not unknowm. ===========                     Packet replication and elimination                 > > > > > > > > > relay > > > > > > > >                > /------------+ R node E +------------\ >               > /                  v + ^               \ >       end    R +                   v | ^                + E end       system   +                   v | ^                +   system               > \                  v + ^               / >                > \------------+ R relay E +-----------/ >                 > > > > > > > > >  node > > > > > > > >                                  Figure 1    Packet replication and elimination does not react to and correct    failures; it is entirely passive.  Thus, intermittent failures, SB> I think it copes with intermittent failures OK.     mistakenly created packet filters, or misrouted data is handled just    the same as the equipment failures that are detected handled by    typical routing and bridging protocols. ================    Transit nodes see DetNet nodes as end points.  All    DetNet enabled nodes are connect to sub-networks, where a point-to- SB> s/connect/connected/ ===========    o  DetNet t-aware: An extant TSN system.  It knows about some TSN       functions (e.g., reservation), but not about replication/       elimination. SB> Generic TSN is OK, but I would be cautious of requiring IEEE TSN. ===========  o  DetNet s-aware: An extant IEC 62439-3 system.  It supplies       sequence numbers, but doesn't know about zero congestion loss. SB> IEC62439 should surely be clarified as just an example. =========== 4.3.1.  DetNet flow types    A DetNet flow can have different formats during while it is SB> s/during while/as/ ===========    transported between the peer end systems.  Therefore, the following    possible types / formats of a DetNet flow are distinguished in this    document:    o  App-flow: native format of a DetNet flow.  It does not contain any       DetNet related attributes.    o  DetNet-t-flow: specific format of a DetNet flow.  Only requires       the congestion / latency features provided by the Detnet transport       layer.    o  DetNet-s-flow: specific format of a DetNet flow.  Only requires       the replication/elimination feature ensured by the DetNet service       layer.    o  DetNet-st-flow: specific format of a DetNet flow.  It requires       both DetNet service layer and DetNet transport layer functions       during forwarding. SB> I find the relisting of these types confusing. Wheren't they defined SB> in the section above? =========== 4.3.2.  Source guarantees    For the purposes of congestion protection, DetNet flows can be    synchronous or asynchronous.  In synchronous DetNet flows, at least    the intermediate nodes (and possibly the end systems) are closely    time synchronized, typically to better than 1 microsecond. SB> Are you talking about the flows being sync, or the network handling of the SB> the flows here. We have carried synchronous traffic over MPLS in the past SB> so I think this is a topic that requires quite careful handling to make sure that SB> we do not set up an over-engineered solution. ==========    The source promises that these limits will not be exceeded.  If the    source transmits less data than this limit allows, the unused    resources such as link bandwidth can be made available by the system SB> s/can be made/to be made/ ========== 4.4.  Traffic Engineering for DetNet    Traffic Engineering Architecture and Signaling (TEAS) [TEAS] defines    traffic-engineering architectures for generic applicability across    packet and non-packet networks.  From TEAS perspective, Traffic SB> s/from/from a/ ==========    ..... to translate from a flow    specification to a set of values for the managed objects that control    each relay or end system.  The IEEE 802 has specified (and is SB> Should that be IEEE 802 Standards Group or some such? =============    The DetNet network reference model is shown in Figure 8 for a DetNet-    Service scenario (i.e. between two DetNet-UNIs).  In this figure, the    end systems ("A" and "B") are connected directly to the edge nodes of    the IP/MPLS network ("PE1" and "PE2"). SB> I am confused as to when we should use the terms "relay node", "edge node" SB> and "PE". There seem.s to be inconsistency in the project on the use SB> of these terms ===========    The tunnel between the service instances may have some special    characteristics.  For example, in case of a "packet PW" based tunnel, SB> I don't think we should use the term "packet PW" since SB> that points to a specific PW technology and that is not SB> the direction we are going in the data-plane part of the SB> project. SB> I think the text above and the text in the rest of the SB> para is confusing for the reader. SB> I suggest that we write something much more generic and SB> let the DP team have a clear hand to design a good solution.    there are differences in the usage of the packet PW for DetNet    traffic compared to the network model described in [RFC6658]. In the    DetNet scenario, the packet PW is used exclusively by the DetNet    flow, whereas [RFC6658] states: "The packet PW appears as a single    point-to-point link to the client layer.  Network-layer adjacency    formation and maintenance between the client equipments will follow    the normal practice needed to support the required relationship in    the client layer ... This packet pseudowire is used to transport all    of the required layer 2 and layer 3 protocols between LSR1 and LSR2". ===========    The need for a lower-level DetNet node to be aware of individual    higher-layer flows is not unique to DetNet.  But, given the endless    complexity of layering and relayering over tunnels that is available    to network designers, DetNet needs to provide a model for flow    identification that is at least somewhat better than packet SB> "at least somewhat better is a strange turn of phrase" ===========    Thus, rather than packet inspection, there is the option to export    higher-layer information to the lower layer.  The requirement to    support one or the other method for flow identification (or both) is    the essential complexity that DetNet brings to existing control plane    models. SB> A very strange way of expressing the point, sounds like complexity SB> is a virtue. =========== Flow-IDs    The additional (domain specific) Flow-ID can be    o  created by a domain specific function or    o  derived from the Flow-ID added to the App-flow,    so that it must be unique inside the given domain. SB> very strange English.    Note that the    Flow-ID added to the App-flow is still present in the packet, but    transport nodes may lack the function to recognize it; that's why the    additional Flow-ID is added (pushed). SB> Again rather strange English and an unnecessary pointer to a particular SB> implementation technique (pushed). Same comment applies to para 1 of 4.7.3 ============ 4.9.  Provisioning model SB> Sections 4.9.1 and 4.9.2 seem rather tentative for an RFC SB> that we are about to publish. 4.9.1.  Centralized Path Computation and Installation 4.9.2.  Distributed Path Setup ============== 5.  Security Considerations    Furthermore, in a control system where millions of dollars of    equipment, or even human lives, can be lost if the DetNet QoS is not    delivered, one must consider not only simple equipment failures,    where the box or wire instantly becomes perfectly silent, but bizarre    errors such as can be caused by software failures. SB> Bizare is a strange term to use. I am sure that later reviewers SB> will ask for more text on this. SB> I might use the term "subtle, complex, intermittent and state dependent" ============    [HSR-PRP]  IEC, "High availability seamless redundancy (HSR) is a               further development of the PRP approach, although HSR               functions primarily as a protocol for creating media               redundancy while PRP, as described in the previous               section, creates network redundancy.  PRP and HSR are both               described in the IEC 62439 3 standard.",               . SB> Not available at the time of this review, but my recollection is that SB> this is not readily available without paying a large fee. ===========    [ISA95]    ANSI/ISA, "Enterprise-Control System Integration Part 1:               Models and Terminology", 2000,               . SB> Should that be 2000, or 2010. 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Subject: WebEx = meeting invitation: DetNet working meeting - IP = DP

 

H= ello,

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D= etNet working meeting - IP DP =

W= ednesday, May 30, 2018

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M= eeting number (access code): 646 991 708 =

 

M= eeting password: cxurnbPS

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From: DetNet Working Group = [mailto:messenger@webex.com]
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H= ello,

D= etNet Working Group invites you to join this WebEx meeting. =

 

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D= etNet working meeting - MPLS DP =

T= uesday, May 29, 2018

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M= eeting password: SFntP2xH

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Fri, 25 May 2018 17:26:26 -0400 Received: from MXHUB306.corp.emc.com (MXHUB306.corp.emc.com [10.146.3.32]) by mailusrhubprd02.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id w4PLQS4J009861 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES128-SHA256 bits=128 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 May 2018 17:26:30 -0400 Received: from MX307CL04.corp.emc.com ([fe80::849f:5da2:11b:4385]) by MXHUB306.corp.emc.com ([10.146.3.32]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Fri, 25 May 2018 17:26:28 -0400 To: Lou Berger , DetNet WG CC: DetNet Chairs Thread-Topic: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 Thread-Index: AQHT6XGt9peyQ1ClD06FxPgGJRt8zKRA/GYA Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 21:26:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.238.21.33] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd02.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 21:27:09 -0000 Looking at this from a Transport (Area) viewpoint, I have a few mostly edit= orial comments: -- Section 3.1 o Minimum and maximum end-to-end latency from source to destination; timely delivery and jitter avoidance derive from these constraints "jitter avoidance" -> "limits on jitter" as jitter cannot be entirely avoided. o Probability of loss of a packet, under various assumptions as to the operational states of the nodes and links. A derived property is whether it is acceptable to deliver a duplicate packet, which is an inherent risk in highly reliable and/or broadcast transmissions "derived" does not seem to be the right word in "derived property" and the whole second sentence seems off. Suggest: o Probability of loss of a packet, under various assumptions as to the operational states of the nodes and links. If packet replication is used to reduce the probability of packet loss, then a related property is the probability (may be zero) of delivery of a duplicate packet. Duplicate packet delivery is an inherent risk in highly reliable and/or broadcast transmissions= . -- Section 3.2 Text in 3.1 lists three techniques used by DetNet to provide QoS, but section 3.2 (Mechanisms to achieve DetNet QoS) has five subsections. An introductory paragraph in 3.2 (before 3.2.1) to explain how the five mechanisms relate to the three techniques would be helpful. As 3.2.3 on jitter reduction is related to 3.2.1 on congestion protection, it might help to swap the order of 3.2.2 and 3.2.3 so that the congestion protection material is contiguous. -- Section 4.1.1, after Figure 2 The layers are, from top to bottom: Not exactly - the list that follows does not contain an entry per layer. S= uggest The functionality shown in Figure 2 is: and I would move OAM out of the list to its own paragraph at the end of Section 4.1.1, as OAM is not shown in Figure 2. -- Section 4.3.2 Source guarantees Section title seems off, as nothing is being guaranteed to the source. Would "Source transmission behavior" or Source transmission requirements" be clearer? The source promises that these limits will not be exceeded. I don't understand "promises" - who/what is the recipient of the promise, a= nd=20 how is the promise made? Suggest: The source is required not to exceed these limits in order to obtain Det= Net service. -- Section 4.3.3 Incomplete Networks as extra buffering, and thus extra latency, must be allocated at points downstream from the non-DetNet intermediate node for a DetNet flow. I don't think "extra latency" is being "allocated" - in addition, jitter sh= ould be mentioned. Suggest: as extra buffering must be allocated at points downstream from the non-DetNet intermediate node for a DetNet flow. This extra buffering may increase latency and/or jitter. -- Section 4.10. Scaling to larger networks The DetNet data plane, in order to support larger numbers of DetNet flows, must support the aggregation of DetNet flows into tunnels, , which themselves can be viewed by the transit nodes' data planes largely as individual DetNet flows. That sentence makes two points: a) Flow aggregation is required for scaling. b) That flow aggregation has to employ tunnels. The first point is supported by the text in this section, but the second po= int does not appear to have supporting text. It appears that tunnels are neces= sary because:=20 - Each aggregated flow has to be a DetNet flow, and hence has to have its own DetNet flow ID. - The DetNet flow IDs of the flows that comprise an aggregated flow have to be carried through the aggregated flow in order to correctly demux to those original DetNet flows at the downstream end of flow aggregation. A sentence or two should be added to explain this. Thanks, --David p.s. I see that I'm already listed in the Acknowledgements section - that = is appreciated. > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Friday, May 11, 2018 5:44 PM > To: DetNet WG > Cc: DetNet Chairs > Subject: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 >=20 > All, >=20 > This starts a two-week working group last call on > draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 >=20 > The working group last call ends on May 25. > Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document > and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. >=20 > Thank you, > DetNet Chairs >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Fri May 25 14:36:24 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F5C9129515; 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Fri, 25 May 2018 17:35:59 -0400 Received: from MXHUB319.corp.emc.com (MXHUB319.corp.emc.com [10.146.3.97]) by mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.1/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.0) with ESMTP id w4PLa0eI026479 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Fri, 25 May 2018 17:36:01 -0400 Received: from MX307CL04.corp.emc.com ([fe80::849f:5da2:11b:4385]) by MXHUB319.corp.emc.com ([10.146.3.97]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Fri, 25 May 2018 17:36:00 -0400 To: Lou Berger , DetNet WG CC: DetNet Chairs Thread-Topic: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 Thread-Index: AQHT7RHcTGt/VQ9Sq0+bZHFsONjV6KRBBT8A Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 21:36:00 +0000 Message-ID: References: <30319033-7d4a-20c5-f4a6-35fe638cd08a@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <30319033-7d4a-20c5-f4a6-35fe638cd08a@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.238.21.33] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Sentrion-Hostname: mailusrhubprd52.lss.emc.com X-RSA-Classifications: public Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 May 2018 21:36:23 -0000 Looking at Section 11 (which is starting to tease out common requirements) from a Transport (Area) viewpoint, I have a couple of questions: 11.1.6. Guaranteed End-to-End Delivery Packets sent over DetNet are guaranteed not to be dropped by the network due to congestion. (Packets may however be dropped for intended reasons, e.g. per security measures). David> What about media (e.g., CRC) errors? 11.1.9. Unused Reserved BW to be Available to Best Effort Traffic If bandwidth reservations are made for a stream but the associated bandwidth is not used at any point in time, that bandwidth is made available on the network for best-effort traffic. If the owner of the reserved stream then starts transmitting again, the bandwidth is no longer available for best-effort traffic, on a moment-to-moment basis. Note that such "temporarily available" bandwidth is not available for time-sensitive traffic, which must have its own reservation. David> Is this just about bandwidth, or a more general notion of network resources including capacity for queueing/buffering, even though bandwidth may be the most user-visible resource? Thanks, --David > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2018 8:31 AM > To: DetNet WG > Cc: DetNet Chairs > Subject: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 >=20 > All, >=20 > This starts a two-week working group last call for > draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 >=20 > The working group last call ends on May 30. > Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. >=20 > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document > and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. >=20 > Thank you, > DetNet Chairs >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Mon May 28 04:59:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1040612762F for ; Mon, 28 May 2018 04:59:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6J2prSKshsWo for ; Mon, 28 May 2018 04:59:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net (know-smtprelay-omc-3.server.virginmedia.net [80.0.253.67]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CDA5127137 for ; Mon, 28 May 2018 04:59:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.9] ([82.21.85.55]) by cmsmtp with ESMTPA id NGoHf41ZEbtAcNGoHftEYN; Mon, 28 May 2018 12:59:34 +0100 X-Originating-IP: [82.21.85.55] X-Authenticated-User: john.s.grant@ntlworld.com X-Spam: 0 X-Authority: v=2.3 cv=QvlwI26d c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=JBiNpTwF/IB2dYUHhn0UHw==:117 a=JBiNpTwF/IB2dYUHhn0UHw==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=le6d79QuAAAA:8 a=1KsHKo-MxMrYEY6aYHcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=QbAMNLWdp4a7deKPGBBn:22 To: DetNet WG From: John Grant Message-ID: Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 12:59:35 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-GB X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfNlesgYgV386ey5aKn8gpdIaanHC6FLEyEh3m1e6rWv0hdxY75+z6hp+ccdH0m0e912L/w4xQ2lLOaODVVGLRf52j3BznC1H7wLFB94Yfmui6+Rif2HF BPyvOxE/CCWytjTuEsRNycWqIj3wP1O98OHyfCbpfJl6OQ5+FJ+3CN8C Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Redundant streams X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 28 May 2018 11:59:40 -0000 I've been asked about the relationship between PREF and SMPTE ST2022-7. Can anyone enlighten me, please? -- John Grant Nine Tiles, Cambridge, England +44 1223 862599 and +44 1223 511455 http://www.ninetiles.com From nobody Tue May 29 02:01:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B3F912E055 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 02:01:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mh8yv62v34Dk for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 02:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 356A412E878 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 02:01:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id BDA1B59FED63F for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 10:01:11 +0100 (IST) Received: from DGGEMI424-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.153) by lhreml709-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.32) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.382.0; Tue, 29 May 2018 10:01:13 +0100 Received: from DGGEMI509-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.2.49]) by DGGEMI424-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.1.199.153]) with mapi id 14.03.0382.000; Tue, 29 May 2018 17:01:05 +0800 From: "qiangli (D)" To: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: New Draft Uploaded [Large-Scale Deterministic Network] Thread-Index: AdP3K3awdD9w9hoyRKmb7oSokSoQrw== Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 09:01:05 +0000 Message-ID: <06C389826B926F48A557D5DB5A54C4ED2A660170@dggemi509-mbs.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.130.163.138] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] New Draft Uploaded [Large-Scale Deterministic Network] X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 09:01:18 -0000 Dear all, A new draft has been upload, available online https://www.ietf.org/internet= -drafts/draft-qiang-detnet-large-scale-detnet-00.txt =20 This draft is motived by deploying DetNet on large-scale network. Reviews a= nd comments are highly appreciated. Best regards, Cristina QIANG A new version of I-D, draft-qiang-detnet-large-scale-detnet-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Li Qiang and posted to the IETF reposito= ry. Name: draft-qiang-detnet-large-scale-detnet Revision: 00 Title: Large-Scale Deterministic Network Document date: 2018-05-29 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 7 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-qiang-detnet-larg= e-scale-detnet-00.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-qiang-detnet-large-s= cale-detnet/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-qiang-detnet-large-scale-= detnet-00 Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-qiang-detnet-la= rge-scale-detnet Abstract: This document presents a Large-scale Deterministic Network (LDN) system, which consists of Scalable Deterministic Forwarding (SDF) and Scalable Resource Reservation (SRR). 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 17:33:05 -0000 On 28/05/2018 19:18, Hesham ElBakoury wrote: > Ho John, > > Can you please send me SMPTE ST2022-7 spec. I've now seen a copy of it (but I'm not allowed to circulate it, sorry). It only applies to RTP streams; there are no additional headers, and elimination is on the basis of the RTP sequence number and, if that wraps too often, the RTP header timestamp. It is, I believe, quite widely used for professional video over IP. -- John Grant Nine Tiles, Cambridge, England +44 1223 862599 and +44 1223 511455 http://www.ninetiles.com From nobody Tue May 29 14:52:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF3B12EBA7 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:52:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.698 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.698 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EBu3_rskcf5r for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:51:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-oi0-x234.google.com (mail-oi0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4003:c06::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0148F127419 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:51:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-oi0-x234.google.com with SMTP id k5-v6so14505503oiw.0 for ; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:51:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=jMREKzjHL1K1T0BMhiSMFs+jVuSaA62b+hU8RWXs9TY=; b=s/e0/jJa99n8rq0augNh/RI2Tsu7DitttwpL5ETX6oEIEEHBxs02qPMF2H3USZQYi5 wd2egrHLs24sAuh8mcxKSFHn6fVZG7HIzH5P/5XZlyfF7vuHa3jn01umoR9YXCw1caCm X0vYcXs2j7ImeVLPzTsrzgjlEWl7ZmWN8fqxorGs9zSHaGLVsizJdfUKt/Z5NqcrMG+W hH+N/zOpxn0qdkatsRhE3dJoToTnbXruWLoR4XqGicUUY9O3TluEVkzEF5o6Gfa3MynC mPfYFcSo/K15xdbyUn7vKnSQE3fSpnjj0Tznz403+5mV4XcluAIWqDgp65yCHQVgTjds IB8A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=jMREKzjHL1K1T0BMhiSMFs+jVuSaA62b+hU8RWXs9TY=; b=kQrNn9P5sjGiAFy1d77a/ilZ0zWKaOo7zXzHl4NpLzqxcfa+tOAThxUBEh1b3OCZCf 0uYQAIxUUnyNX047Ber5dJDs+xnX0Q5jIX9wkQOiHe6vIjrOwJp79RtCIg4Jlb6gOA8K GqFBPQykHjso3FSS3nfeVlOXsAXON68DOnz6MallHX3ZbMKoxIurT8I+hoGRlPZoM75c Lvq3emQuJw6ql1T+VdAYfLZTYDaBLxKlWL8lNzYgLXZsBzk7+/oG2LtceFsbMN/iEFle o0nBDrY15zZNl2usuaGv+v6sp1YvVi0RP98OMywDYtjhcbTVv6wmsas4PGGRAiDCOiX/ S43w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALKqPwf1I84BYYsJuNWjOFJQgYoeojU8j0UgIQZrtBpU5Khfx4hk7wfF o+DXPLZiG1UHp9/LLdFLappRUAOgW236VLz4Dyw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKI4lwVeeyr9oTyCrcDNKaI22Y6/9fRLYwbesBPJwg9qd4JKtgZ516h5ONzRmMQ/SIFYnh+0aV8UwwcZuXSVQBg= X-Received: by 2002:aca:f404:: with SMTP id s4-v6mr115625oih.204.1527630717250; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:51:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a9d:1f27:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Tue, 29 May 2018 14:51:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 17:51:36 -0400 Message-ID: To: John Grant Cc: DetNet WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003fefef056d5f3e9e" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Redundant streams X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 May 2018 21:52:01 -0000 --0000000000003fefef056d5f3e9e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It=E2=80=99s not the standard itself, but I found a pretty nice application= note that describes it: https://www.dektec.com/products/PCIe/DTA-2162/downloads/DT-AN-IP-3%20SMPTE%= 202022-7.pdf You can also purchase it from the IEEE for $80.00 (or use your IEEE Explore login if you have one) at https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7291851/ . Cheers, Andy On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 1:33 PM, John Grant wrote: > On 28/05/2018 19:18, Hesham ElBakoury wrote: > >> Ho John, >> >> Can you please send me SMPTE ST2022-7 spec. >> > I've now seen a copy of it (but I'm not allowed to circulate it, sorry). > > It only applies to RTP streams; there are no additional headers, and > elimination is on the basis of the RTP sequence number and, if that wraps > too often, the RTP header timestamp. > > It is, I believe, quite widely used for professional video over IP. > > > -- > John Grant > Nine Tiles, Cambridge, England > +44 1223 862599 and +44 1223 511455 > http://www.ninetiles.com > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --0000000000003fefef056d5f3e9e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It=E2=80=99s not the standard itself, but I found a pretty= nice application note that describes it:


You can also purch= ase it from the IEEE for $80.00 (or use your IEEE Explore login if you have= one) at=C2=A0htt= ps://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/7291851/ .

C= heers,
Andy

=
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 1:33 PM, John Grant = <= j@ninetiles.com> wrote:
On = 28/05/2018 19:18, Hesham ElBakoury wrote:
Ho John,

Can you please send me SMPTE ST2022-7 spec.
I've now seen a copy of it (but I'm not allowed to circulate it, so= rry).

It only applies to RTP streams; there are no additional headers, and elimin= ation is on the basis of the RTP sequence number and, if that wraps too oft= en, the RTP header timestamp.

It is, I believe, quite widely used for professional video over IP.


--
John Grant
Nine Tiles, Cambridge, England
+44 1223 862599 and +44 1223 511455
h= ttp://www.ninetiles.com

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--0000000000003fefef056d5f3e9e-- From nobody Wed May 30 11:30:58 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34E312EB30 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 11:30:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6Yk3vsL5EOQn for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 11:30:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 980F212EB11 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 11:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw10.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.10]) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2468E14067B for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:30:46 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O5ryfBbK54N1cO5ryfFYIL; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:30:46 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:References:Cc:To:From:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=3oTtOCiSJg4xi9+M3ldj6TbTuFi83WaFFtUb6xSvGJM=; b=BrsgOdGUKLCyKJfBzfEQ2I6gpe 94HPdlrd+P5Y36nMuKz6c3ug1jIYFehjhA9frrvJKTHwfNdt28gAjCAOy/1p7n64NNsU+bzt1EF9Y /V1cMzGAj+eLXmelspSpnz+UY; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:60218 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fO5rx-0042tt-OH; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:30:45 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: DetNet WG Cc: DetNet Chairs , "draft-ietf-detnet-architecture@ietf.org" References: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> Message-ID: <5ce90149-4db1-707e-9a8a-5421a2e25d46@labn.net> Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 14:30:44 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <99657d22-f9e4-8a1a-27de-6997900f727e@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1fO5rx-0042tt-OH X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:60218 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 18:30:57 -0000 Hello,     The WG last call on this document is closed.  Authors, please address any comments received on or off list -- and let the WG know how each issues is resolved, as well as when you think the document is ready to progress. (On list issues should be responded to directly.) Thank you, Lou PS I also have comments as part of my shepherd review and will send them to the list shorty. On 5/11/2018 5:43 PM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This starts a two-week working group last call on > draft-ietf-detnet-architecture-05 > > The working group last call ends on May 25. > Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. > > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document > and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. > > Thank you, > DetNet Chairs > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > From nobody Wed May 30 12:02:51 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36BF912EB1F for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:02:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dgeXbIkfn2bf for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B12212DA22 for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:02:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw13.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 731281409DF for ; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:31:47 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id O5safFy7yLr3zO5safMKtF; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:31:24 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:From:References:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fsVAuBYfLQfnwaWGTOU2EOA2Oapg0aayCLlBH2mFk6E=; b=1ugBRjnekPFEhSEOVz9V9XP70Y XOdXiZXeiWyOQGds5M5k6WPC9M5LUdvwUzabpPaK2HLjqGCU7y8Ck6jMsHw2/qM1HJbqTRZqmiCFz AQEu38+4DnPMiTBiW2WbhqedZ; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:60300 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fO5sw-0043DC-Vx for detnet@ietf.org; Wed, 30 May 2018 12:31:47 -0600 To: "detnet@ietf.org" References: <3A3B0EA9-CCDC-4347-A670-7F94B67265CA@dolby.net> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 14:31:46 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3A3B0EA9-CCDC-4347-A670-7F94B67265CA@dolby.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1fO5sw-0043DC-Vx X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:60300 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 7 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet Design Team Interim Meeting Notes - MPLS - 29May18 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 May 2018 19:02:50 -0000 Note this was a "working meeting" not a formal WG interim meeting. Lou On 5/29/2018 12:09 PM, Grossman, Ethan A. wrote: > > Hi All > > Here are my meeting notes, please correct anything I missed. > > Thanks, > > Ethan. > > ------------------- > > Date: Tues May 29, 2018 > > Present on Webex: Stewart, Loa, Janos, Balazs, Vishnu, Jouni, Lou, Ethan. > > Summary of conclusions: > > Stewart had concerns between terminology alignment between this doc > and architecture doc, but nothing else that impacted this doc - but > note here with the intent that eventually we will align them through > usual review process for consistency of terminology. > > Regarding section on time sync: Prefer to strip text to some other new > document, but won’t add reference to new doc since out of scope. > > Maybe brief mention of two models, but details for time sync out of > scope. > > Strip local label stuff, have it point to S label where appropriate. > > 16 or 28 bit sequence numbers only. Value of S label establishes size > of sequence number, established by control plane. > > Must look at NSP text. Processing of PREF stuff is allowed in NSP. > > UDP header in Fig 14:  Don’t say anything about ECMP at this point. > UDP not mandatory in this stack. > > References to class of service, quality of service – decided to keep > it as is for now for education purposes but may be changed or removed > eventually. > > Sec 10. Management and control considerations – needs to be separate > for MPLS vs IP? > > 10.1.2 Explicit routes – currently empty – need a plan. > > Stewart: need to list methods: > > RSVP-TE, Segment Routing (whatever flavor) or set up in control plane. > Maybe other ways developed in time. > > For now just placeholder text. Just these two references should be > enough. > > Goal to get these changes out by end of next week. Stewart to do this > work – then Jouni and Balazs will finalize edits. > > Next interim MPLS meeting will be June 5, 8am PDT, 5pm Central > European time. > > Stewart won’t have done edits by then – then meet June 25 MPLS same > time since will have done edits by then and will have feedback to > discuss. > > Jouni offline for July. Won’t be at IETF. > > ------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Thu May 31 07:45:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C591F12ECBD for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 07:45:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cSA9jbVLSPKF for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 23B5212EC6A for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 07:45:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw12.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.12]) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8BA017611B for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 08:45:55 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id OOpcfrP7o20diOOpcfcQxg; Thu, 31 May 2018 08:45:36 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version :Date:Message-ID:References:Cc:To:From:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID: Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc :Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Zx20faoR3SuMVoTZZsi7BoL6VEfDSa10qELBlYQzIAQ=; b=f2So+MfX2ifGhqjM1cnpzUZevQ JKke1s8gbiIGe0IUlPhxvyXBNftFzqSP/hTTEpUZn03WCS8WVdrigX9jzjHkBTQ2LvLwhYtELrJwJ v0N9wUaaNDpEhSXsnP4CxNskL; Received: from pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([100.15.86.101]:36206 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.89_1) (envelope-from ) id 1fOOpv-000s5O-Jf; Thu, 31 May 2018 08:45:55 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: DetNet WG Cc: DetNet Chairs References: <30319033-7d4a-20c5-f4a6-35fe638cd08a@labn.net> Message-ID: <0728747b-8258-c9dc-6497-5311bfe8d949@labn.net> Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 10:45:54 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <30319033-7d4a-20c5-f4a6-35fe638cd08a@labn.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 100.15.86.101 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1fOOpv-000s5O-Jf X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-100-15-86-101.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([IPv6:::1]) [100.15.86.101]:36206 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 11 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG Last Call: draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 May 2018 14:45:58 -0000 Hello,     The WG last call on this document is closed.  Authors, please address any comments received on or off list -- and let the WG know how each issues is resolved, as well as when you think the document is ready to progress. (On list issues should be responded to directly.) Thank you, Lou PS I also have largely editorial comments as part of my shepherd review and will work with the authors directly to get these addressed - and expect the authors to report back to the WG on these editorial changes. On 5/16/2018 8:31 AM, Lou Berger wrote: > All, > > This starts a two-week working group last call for > draft-ietf-detnet-use-cases-16 > > The working group last call ends on May 30. > Please send your comments to the detnet mailing list. > > Positive comments, e.g., "I've reviewed this document > and believe it is ready for publication", are welcome! > This is useful and important, even from authors. > > Thank you, > DetNet Chairs > > From nobody Thu May 31 10:04:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D5E412D7E5 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:03:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dolby.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ta3O57_zIKPG for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAM02-CY1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-cys01nam02on070a.outbound.protection.outlook.com [IPv6:2a01:111:f400:fe45::70a]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 237B2127241 for ; Thu, 31 May 2018 10:03:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dolby.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=e9NdzcYOEtWhg2wZhYPiTdkzsF+hQolUcex3ueDlIm8=; b=FB/+iunMj0bz6epNg2uGRDZwT76UnXGVs04rtA/w0jf3gggE9UImjLw9m4GX3t1N4SX6+tkWy+Wtp7+ArcLJoPVmRX2zEeAbzBAz81CAzy3xqCJin4yRPrLwtcz2Pk4kotAQPihQMnxGQPTnTGxjFAXXUqXlRuB+K4EEnKuh2ao= Received: from BY2PR0601MB1591.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.163.107.149) by BY2PR0601MB1542.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (10.163.107.12) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.820.11; Thu, 31 May 2018 17:03:53 +0000 Received: from BY2PR0601MB1591.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::91c0:6bdf:e2ca:1747]) by BY2PR0601MB1591.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::91c0:6bdf:e2ca:1747%2]) with mapi id 15.20.0797.020; Thu, 31 May 2018 17:03:53 +0000 From: "Grossman, Ethan A." 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Figure1 updated accordingly. Link or subnet could be TSN or MPLS (or other in the future). - Aggregation: Marked as topic for further study in case of Simplified-IP. - In-order-delivery: Need wider discussion on this. Balazs will check arch = document and come back regarding this to the detnet list. (E.g., Can we spec bounds on how many packets can = be out of order? Like we have bounds on jitter? Maybe fast system can tolerate some but not a lot, but is= useful to know this.) - Delete DetNet bridging section, simplified-IP assumes DetNet routing serv= ice. - Interworking function (DN-IWF) to be replaced with DetNet routing functio= n (DN-RF) - Class of Service section vs. Quality of Service. Keep general discussion = here, but need to decide where tech specific discussions go. - Bidirectional traffic section going away. - Time sync should be separate doc not part of data plane. In DetNet don't = want to dive into specifying a profile. Continue stance that timing is outside DetNet scope. (Both Lou personal opi= nion and current DetNet charter). - Next DP IP working meeting: June 6, 7am PDT --------------------------------------------------------------------- --_000_BY2PR0601MB159125ABAF192B42EAB544D5C4630BY2PR0601MB1591_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

DetNet Data Plane Design Working Meeting Notes - IP = Data Plane - 30May18

Present: Jouni, Lou, Janos, AndyM, Balazs, Ethan

 

Meeting topics and summary:

- For detailed notes please see the latest version i= n github.

- Looking at (and editing on the fly) draft-ietf-det= net-dp-sol-ip-00.xml in github.

- Remove outdated text and add notes what changes ar= e needed

- Draft is focusing only on “simplified-IPR= 21;, so material from Andy’s draft has been incorporated into MPLS dp= -sol.

- Still keep overview part in the first version.

- PROEF can be used within a subnet but not end to e= nd (this does not preclude future work in this area).

- Not providing DetNet services for TSN end systems = – only for IP and “DetNet Aware IP” end systems. Figure1 = updated accordingly.

Link or subnet could be TSN or MPLS (or other in the= future).  

- Aggregation: Marked as topic for further study in = case of Simplified-IP.

- In-order-delivery: Need wider discussion on this. = Balazs will check arch document and come back regarding

this to the detnet list. (E.g., Can we spec bounds o= n how many packets can be out of order? Like we have

bounds on jitter? Maybe fast system can tolerate som= e but not a lot, but is useful to know this.)

- Delete DetNet bridging section, simplified-IP assu= mes DetNet routing service.

- Interworking function (DN-IWF) to be replaced with= DetNet routing function (DN-RF)

- Class of Service section vs. Quality of Service. K= eep general discussion here, but need to decide where
tech specific discussions go.

- Bidirectional traffic section going away.

- Time sync should be separate doc not part of data = plane. In DetNet don’t want to dive into specifying a profile.

Continue stance that timing is outside DetNet scope.= (Both Lou personal opinion and current DetNet charter).

 

- Next DP IP working meeting: June 6, 7am PDT

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