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Sun, 04 Aug 2019 04:49:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <156478024274.20926.10329463716942537791.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Sun, 4 Aug 2019 07:49:11 -0400 Message-ID: To: "Grossman, Ethan A." Cc: "detnet-chairs@ietf.org" , detnet WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000dc2c7b058f492eb1" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 11:49:29 -0000 --000000000000dc2c7b058f492eb1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Ethen, After you finish your editing, you should not paste back into Etherpad, it's better to leave that as a record of the meeting editing. Rather, you should save the minutes as a text-only file from Word, and then follow these instructions: Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for manual posting. Cheers, Andy On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:40 PM Grossman, Ethan A. wrote: > FYI my plan is to refactor the IETF 105 DetNet session notes this Friday > 9Aug19. > This time my plan is to copy the notes from Etherpad into a text editor > (presumably Word, then save as plain text - or is this going to cause CR-LF > problems?), do the edits and replacements (e.g. full names to replace > initials) then paste the whole thing back into Etherpad, replacing the > previous contents. Any caveats or other suggestions are solicited, since I > haven't done this workflow before, but I have learned that I don't like > working within the Etherpad editor. > Thanks, > Ethan (as DetNet Secretary). > > -----Original Message----- > From: WGChairs On Behalf Of jbui@amsl.com via > Datatracker > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 2:11 PM > To: wgchairs@ietf.org > Subject: Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes > > Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs, > > The secretariat is in the process of compiling the proceedings for > IETF-105 and we are still missing meeting minutes from various sessions. > > The cutoff for submissions is 2019-08-16, and the correction submissions > cutoff is 2019-09-09. > > Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your > sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager > found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials > > Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for > manual posting. > > Groups that are missing minutes: > > Applications and Real-Time Area: > ADD (BoF) > CALEXT > CAPPORT > CBOR > CORE > HTTPBIS > STIR > > Operations and Management Area: > BMWG > MBONED > MOPS (BoF) > NETCONF > NETMOD > OPSAWG > SIDROPS > > Routing Area: > CCAMP > DETNET > IDR > LISP > LSVR > MPLS > PIM > RIFT > SPRING > TEAS > > Security Area: > ACE > COSE > IPSECME > LAMPS > MLS > RATS > SAAG > SACM > SECDISPATCH > SUIT > TEEP > TLS > > Transport Area: > ALTO > MPTCP > NFSV4 > QUIC > RMCAT > TAPS > TSVAREA > TSVWG > > IRTF: > CFRG > HRPC > ICCRG > MAPRG > PANRG > T2TRG > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --000000000000dc2c7b058f492eb1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ethen,

After you finish your editing, y= ou should not paste back into Etherpad, it's better to leave that as a = record of the meeting editing. Rather, you should save the minutes as a tex= t-only file from Word, and then follow these instructions:

Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from y= our
sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials = Manager
found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials

A= lternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for
manual posting.
<= br>
Cheers,
Andy


On Sat, Aug 3, 201= 9 at 11:40 PM Grossman, Ethan A. <ea= gros@dolby.com> wrote:
FYI my plan is to refactor the IETF 105 DetNet session notes = this Friday 9Aug19.
This time my plan is to copy the notes from Etherpad into a text editor (pr= esumably Word, then save as plain text - or is this going to cause CR-LF pr= oblems?), do the edits and replacements (e.g. full names to replace initial= s) then paste the whole thing back into Etherpad, replacing the previous co= ntents. Any caveats or other suggestions are solicited, since I haven't= done this workflow before, but I have learned that I don't like workin= g within the Etherpad editor.
Thanks,
Ethan (as DetNet Secretary).

-----Original Message-----
From: WGChairs <wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of jbui@amsl.com via Datatracker
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 2:11 PM
To: wgchairs@ietf.or= g
Subject: Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes

=C2=A0Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs,

The secretariat is in the process of compiling the proceedings for IETF-105= and we are still missing meeting minutes from various sessions.

The cutoff for submissions is 2019-08-16, and the correction submissions cu= toff is 2019-09-09.

Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your sessi= ons, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found= here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/= materials

Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for manual posting.<= br>
Groups that are missing minutes:

Applications and Real-Time Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ADD (BoF)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CALEXT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CAPPORT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CBOR
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CORE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HTTPBIS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 STIR

Operations and Management Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BMWG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MBONED
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MOPS (BoF)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NETCONF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NETMOD
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 OPSAWG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SIDROPS

Routing Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CCAMP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 DETNET
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IDR
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LISP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LSVR
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MPLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PIM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RIFT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SPRING
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TEAS

Security Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ACE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 COSE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IPSECME
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LAMPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RATS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SAAG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SACM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SECDISPATCH
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SUIT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TEEP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TLS

Transport Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ALTO
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MPTCP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NFSV4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 QUIC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RMCAT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TAPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TSVAREA
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TSVWG

IRTF:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CFRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HRPC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ICCRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MAPRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PANRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 T2TRG


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--000000000000dc2c7b058f492eb1-- From nobody Sun Aug 4 05:53:37 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA808120045 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2019 05:53:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qw9yi_VbI-bb for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2019 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy9-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.122]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCF34120025 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2019 05:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw11.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.11]) by gproxy9.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24D6A1E0614 for ; Sun, 4 Aug 2019 06:53:26 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id uG0rhzynwOUBLuG0rhchy5; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 06:53:26 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=behFrtHB c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=FmdZ9Uzk2mMA:10:nop_rcvd_month_year a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10:endurance_base64_authed_username_1 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=jsLqV8V3AAAA:8 a=jGqiy6jZAAAA:8 a=6TO-G5n6OHOBlZQDvPcA:9 a=T8e67yWU8igo43si:21 a=PDA4xgmaAIi1qQtX:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10:nop_charset_2 a=Y_Je4Od2g81jlKAVy_kA:9 a=KemaZZFl6m02XHbS:21 a=YNK5rvxL75Km4NXr:21 a=77ZkhRII2vnwJJho:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10:nop_html a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 a=ugk2N6kDtXxT1k6o-wp-:22 a=jHrLhlbFqA1ZHZAWynec:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=EqIXLliOD1YKETLXZajZ4nDWo8UH9/Mw7Ef2sR6s4bI=; b=g/UPDQM3JeryfOZXmFqXjr+zf0 VtkWyjABGLxDrzWJbEd4BqK6GOR0WYrkOtjY8vSfzMtuluCUbttP3yrkPdhYZUe4UiEaUO/TZE102 Mx7JoZ5lg2uWsAmlBl6VMEIcZ; Received: from pool-72-66-11-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([72.66.11.201]:38951 helo=[11.5.0.30]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1huG0r-003wot-LD; Sun, 04 Aug 2019 06:53:25 -0600 From: Lou Berger To: "Andrew G. Malis" , "Grossman, Ethan A." CC: detnet WG , Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 08:53:22 -0400 Message-ID: <16c5cb109d0.27ce.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: References: <156478024274.20926.10329463716942537791.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> User-Agent: AquaMail/1.20.0-1462 (build: 102100002) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------16c5cb10ae173ee27ce52d8cd2" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 72.66.11.201 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1huG0r-003wot-LD X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-72-66-11-201.washdc.fios.verizon.net ([11.5.0.30]) [72.66.11.201]:38951 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2019 12:53:35 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------16c5cb10ae173ee27ce52d8cd2 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Ethan, This is a topic best discussed, off list, with the chairs. I suspect this was your intent. Your approach sounds fine. Andy, Thanks for the input. Different wgs do different things. It has been our (chairs) practice to update the etherpad with the final minutes so there aren't multiple versions available from different sources which may confuse readers. Old versions of the etherpad remain available via the time-slider function on the upper right of the etherpad page. Lou ---------- On August 4, 2019 7:50:14 AM "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: > Ethen, > > After you finish your editing, you should not paste back into Etherpad, > it's better to leave that as a record of the meeting editing. Rather, you > should save the minutes as a text-only file from Word, and then follow > these instructions: > > Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your > sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager > found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials > > Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for > manual posting. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:40 PM Grossman, Ethan A. wrote: > >> FYI my plan is to refactor the IETF 105 DetNet session notes this Friday >> 9Aug19. >> This time my plan is to copy the notes from Etherpad into a text editor >> (presumably Word, then save as plain text - or is this going to cause CR-LF >> problems?), do the edits and replacements (e.g. full names to replace >> initials) then paste the whole thing back into Etherpad, replacing the >> previous contents. Any caveats or other suggestions are solicited, since I >> haven't done this workflow before, but I have learned that I don't like >> working within the Etherpad editor. >> Thanks, >> Ethan (as DetNet Secretary). >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: WGChairs On Behalf Of jbui@amsl.com via >> Datatracker >> Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 2:11 PM >> To: wgchairs@ietf.org >> Subject: Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes >> >> Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs, >> >> The secretariat is in the process of compiling the proceedings for >> IETF-105 and we are still missing meeting minutes from various sessions. >> >> The cutoff for submissions is 2019-08-16, and the correction submissions >> cutoff is 2019-09-09. >> >> Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your >> sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager >> found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials >> >> Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for >> manual posting. >> >> Groups that are missing minutes: >> >> Applications and Real-Time Area: >> ADD (BoF) >> CALEXT >> CAPPORT >> CBOR >> CORE >> HTTPBIS >> STIR >> >> Operations and Management Area: >> BMWG >> MBONED >> MOPS (BoF) >> NETCONF >> NETMOD >> OPSAWG >> SIDROPS >> >> Routing Area: >> CCAMP >> DETNET >> IDR >> LISP >> LSVR >> MPLS >> PIM >> RIFT >> SPRING >> TEAS >> >> Security Area: >> ACE >> COSE >> IPSECME >> LAMPS >> MLS >> RATS >> SAAG >> SACM >> SECDISPATCH >> SUIT >> TEEP >> TLS >> >> Transport Area: >> ALTO >> MPTCP >> NFSV4 >> QUIC >> RMCAT >> TAPS >> TSVAREA >> TSVWG >> >> IRTF: >> CFRG >> HRPC >> ICCRG >> MAPRG >> PANRG >> T2TRG >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > ------------16c5cb10ae173ee27ce52d8cd2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ethan,

This is a topic best discusse= d, off list, with the chairs. I suspect this was your intent.

Your approach sounds fine.

Andy,

Thanks for the input.  D= ifferent wgs do different things.  It has been our (chairs) practice t= o update the etherpad with the final minutes so there aren't multiple versi= ons available from different sources which may confuse readers.  Old v= ersions of the etherpad remain available via the time-slider function on th= e upper right of the etherpad page.

Lou

On August 4, 2019 7:50:14 AM "Andrew G. Malis" <agmal= is@gmail.com> wrote:

Ethen,

After you finish your editing, y= ou should not paste back into Etherpad, it's better to leave that as a = record of the meeting editing. Rather, you should save the minutes as a tex= t-only file from Word, and then follow these instructions:

Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from y= our
sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials = Manager
found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials

A= lternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for
manual posting.
<= br>
Cheers,
Andy


On Sat, Aug 3, 201= 9 at 11:40 PM Grossman, Ethan A. <ea= gros@dolby.com> wrote:
FYI my plan is to refactor the IETF 105 DetNet session notes = this Friday 9Aug19.
This time my plan is to copy the notes from Etherpad into a text editor (pr= esumably Word, then save as plain text - or is this going to cause CR-LF pr= oblems?), do the edits and replacements (e.g. full names to replace initial= s) then paste the whole thing back into Etherpad, replacing the previous co= ntents. Any caveats or other suggestions are solicited, since I haven't= done this workflow before, but I have learned that I don't like workin= g within the Etherpad editor.
Thanks,
Ethan (as DetNet Secretary).

-----Original Message-----
From: WGChairs <wgchairs-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of jbui@amsl.com via Datatracker
Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 2:11 PM
To: wgchairs@ietf.or= g
Subject: Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes

=C2=A0Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs,

The secretariat is in the process of compiling the proceedings for IETF-105= and we are still missing meeting minutes from various sessions.

The cutoff for submissions is 2019-08-16, and the correction submissions cu= toff is 2019-09-09.

Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your sessi= ons, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager found= here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/= materials

Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org for manual posting.<= br>
Groups that are missing minutes:

Applications and Real-Time Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ADD (BoF)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CALEXT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CAPPORT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CBOR
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CORE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HTTPBIS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 STIR

Operations and Management Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 BMWG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MBONED
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MOPS (BoF)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NETCONF
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NETMOD
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 OPSAWG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SIDROPS

Routing Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CCAMP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 DETNET
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IDR
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LISP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LSVR
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MPLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PIM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RIFT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SPRING
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TEAS

Security Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ACE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 COSE
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 IPSECME
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 LAMPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MLS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RATS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SAAG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SACM
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SECDISPATCH
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 SUIT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TEEP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TLS

Transport Area:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ALTO
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MPTCP
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 NFSV4
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 QUIC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 RMCAT
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TAPS
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TSVAREA
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 TSVWG

IRTF:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 CFRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 HRPC
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ICCRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 MAPRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PANRG
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 T2TRG


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------------16c5cb10ae173ee27ce52d8cd2-- From nobody Mon Aug 5 03:55:07 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AAEA120170 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 03:55:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.876 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.876 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, MISSING_HEADERS=1.021, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Twx4sFhTLGZT for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 03:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pipi.pi.nu (pipi.pi.nu [83.168.239.141]) (using TLSv1.1 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2060B12004F for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 03:55:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.0.8] (c83-250-135-99.bredband.comhem.se [83.250.135.99]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: loa@pi.nu) by pipi.pi.nu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D2476362E7A; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:55:00 +0200 (CEST) References: <156478024274.20926.10329463716942537791.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Cc: detnet@ietf.org, "Andrew G. Malis" From: Loa Andersson Message-ID: <50354b91-389e-de5d-d8cd-d6d6134315a1@pi.nu> Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 12:54:28 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 10:55:06 -0000 All, I agree with Andy that pasting minutes back into the Etherpad is a good idea, but I would not like to overwrite what is already where, can we do a top-posting?? /Loa On 2019-08-04 07:49, Andrew G. Malis wrote: > Ethen, > > After you finish your editing, you should not paste back into Etherpad, > it's better to leave that as a record of the meeting editing. Rather, > you should save the minutes as a text-only file from Word, and then > follow these instructions: > > Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from your > sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting Materials Manager > found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials > > Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org > for > manual posting. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Sat, Aug 3, 2019 at 11:40 PM Grossman, Ethan A. > wrote: > > FYI my plan is to refactor the IETF 105 DetNet session notes this > Friday 9Aug19. > This time my plan is to copy the notes from Etherpad into a text > editor (presumably Word, then save as plain text - or is this going > to cause CR-LF problems?), do the edits and replacements (e.g. full > names to replace initials) then paste the whole thing back into > Etherpad, replacing the previous contents. Any caveats or other > suggestions are solicited, since I haven't done this workflow > before, but I have learned that I don't like working within the > Etherpad editor. > Thanks, > Ethan (as DetNet Secretary). > > -----Original Message----- > From: WGChairs > On Behalf Of jbui@amsl.com > via Datatracker > Sent: Friday, August 2, 2019 2:11 PM > To: wgchairs@ietf.org > Subject: Request for IETF WG and Bof Session Minutes > >  Dear WG Chairs and BOF Chairs, > > The secretariat is in the process of compiling the proceedings for > IETF-105 and we are still missing meeting minutes from various > sessions. > > The cutoff for submissions is 2019-08-16, and the correction > submissions cutoff is 2019-09-09. > > Please upload meeting minutes, as well as any presentations from > your sessions, at your earliest convenience using the Meeting > Materials Manager found here: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/105/materials > > Alternatively, you are welcome to send them to proceedings@ietf.org > for manual posting. > > Groups that are missing minutes: > > Applications and Real-Time Area: >     ADD (BoF) >     CALEXT >     CAPPORT >     CBOR >     CORE >     HTTPBIS >     STIR > > Operations and Management Area: >     BMWG >     MBONED >     MOPS (BoF) >     NETCONF >     NETMOD >     OPSAWG >     SIDROPS > > Routing Area: >     CCAMP >     DETNET >     IDR >     LISP >     LSVR >     MPLS >     PIM >     RIFT >     SPRING >     TEAS > > Security Area: >     ACE >     COSE >     IPSECME >     LAMPS >     MLS >     RATS >     SAAG >     SACM >     SECDISPATCH >     SUIT >     TEEP >     TLS > > Transport Area: >     ALTO >     MPTCP >     NFSV4 >     QUIC >     RMCAT >     TAPS >     TSVAREA >     TSVWG > > IRTF: >     CFRG >     HRPC >     ICCRG >     MAPRG >     PANRG >     T2TRG > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > -- Loa Andersson email: loa@pi.nu Senior MPLS Expert Bronze Dragon Consulting phone: +46 739 81 21 64 From nobody Mon Aug 5 11:17:36 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83726120119 for ; 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The point that I would like to make is that du= ring the three years we worked on the DetNet Use Cases draft, we always exp= ected that DetNet would be successful and so there would of course be more = use cases after the DetNet Use Cases draft was published. So with that in m= ind we created the DetNet Use Cases Common Themes section of RFC8578, which= are basically the =1B$B!H=1B(Blowest common denominator=1B$B!I=1B(B of req= uirements (parameterization) based on examining all of the use cases that w= e had, with the reasoning that if these were enough to cover these nine use= cases from very diverse industries, they should cover pretty much any futu= re use case for DetNet. So my question for you is, once you have reviewed those Common Themes (RFC8= 578 section 11), can you identify any specific gap between those Common The= mes and what your requirements draft is asking for? Regarding the degree of specific-ness of the RFC8578 use cases compared to = your draft, as Janos observed during the session, there are many specific p= erformance requirements listed in the individual use case sections, and the= goal was to make sure that none of those were excluded from the network de= signer=1B$B!G=1B(Bs ability to create a network that would serve that appli= cation. In other words the Data Model (and thus YANG models) would be desig= ned to include the relevant levers (parameters) to enable a DetNet network = to be configured for any of these (and presumably future) use cases. So if there are any gaps that you can see, I would say that the most import= ant thing is to identify those gaps and present them to the WG. Then you ca= n request from the WG that the Data Model and YANG models include these add= itional parameters. These are still open drafts, and they represent the act= ual ability of the network to provision a DetNet to the requirements as exp= ressed in your draft. Sincerely, Ethan (as RFC8578 Editor and DetNet Secretary) --_000_BYAPR06MB4325901715C1F02C170FEBD2C4D20BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-2022-jp" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Liang,

This is regarding your draft on DetNet Bounded Laten= cy Requirements, and its relation to the published DetNet Use Cases (RFC857= 8), as we discussed at the DetNet IETF 105 session. The point that I would = like to make is that during the three years we worked on the DetNet Use Cases draft, we always expected that Det= Net would be successful and so there would of course be more use cases afte= r the DetNet Use Cases draft was published. So with that in mind we created= the DetNet Use Cases Common Themes section of RFC8578, which are basically the =1B$B!H=1B(Blowest common deno= minator=1B$B!I=1B(B of requirements (parameterization) based on examining a= ll of the use cases that we had, with the reasoning that if these were enou= gh to cover these nine use cases from very diverse industries, they should cover pretty much any future use case for DetNet. <= /p>

 

So my question for you is, once you have reviewed th= ose Common Themes (RFC8578 section 11), can you identify any specific gap b= etween those Common Themes and what your requirements draft is asking for?

 

Regarding the degree of specific-ness of the RFC8578= use cases compared to your draft, as Janos observed during the session, th= ere are many specific performance requirements listed in the individual use= case sections, and the goal was to make sure that none of those were excluded from the network designer=1B$B!= G=1B(Bs ability to create a network that would serve that application. In o= ther words the Data Model (and thus YANG models) would be designed to inclu= de the relevant levers (parameters) to enable a DetNet network to be configured for any of these (and presumably future)= use cases.

 

So if there are any gaps that you can see, I would s= ay that the most important thing is to identify those gaps and present them= to the WG. Then you can request from the WG that the Data Model and YANG m= odels include these additional parameters. These are still open drafts, and they represent the actual ability of the = network to provision a DetNet to the requirements as expressed in your draf= t.

 

Sincerely,

Ethan (as RFC8578 Editor and DetNet Secretary)<= /o:p>

--_000_BYAPR06MB4325901715C1F02C170FEBD2C4D20BYAPR06MB4325namp_-- From nobody Thu Aug 15 06:15:20 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6389C120046 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:15:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qLyKDPPOQ3PR for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5C24E120043 for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 06:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from CMGW (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F6971AB00D for ; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:10 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id yFawhtxy7T2bKyFawhk39K; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:10 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=eqqv9shX c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=FmdZ9Uzk2mMA:10 a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=JKbBYCJMF7Z4edgFmAUA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:Cc:To:Sender:Reply-To:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LJVHJIcMxz/1DxA6WyUjFjwwl3AiFUU3Q54KKziQtm0=; b=rOKJZFYshRwlD9Q43gZymmygzo OtE5yGSPtQm/gbHTg26wzilb+kJ9Of20KYHRSfj+djUC0uxzYUongI6/c5CMl6QMeqSNE1/ygL4kb U2Gd3bWTA7+9UZEd7zakLF2oy; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=29571 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1hyFav-003KaU-T3; Thu, 15 Aug 2019 07:15:09 -0600 To: DetNet Cc: DetNet Chairs From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <7c05d69d-f125-3613-1da9-f0672d96547b@labn.net> Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 09:15:09 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1hyFav-003KaU-T3 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:29571 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Draft meeting minutes posted X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2019 13:15:19 -0000 All,     Thanks to Ethan we have draft minutes for our Montreal meeting available at: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-105-detnet/ and/or https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-105-detnet Please take a look and send any comments/correction to the list. Please feel free to make proposed changes to etherpad, but be aware that only on-list discussed/approved changes will make it into the official minutes. Thank you, Janos, Lou, (and Ethan) From nobody Thu Aug 29 15:40:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 85418120059; Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:40:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.100.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <156711844845.12304.8981395171949558694@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 15:40:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-05.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 29 Aug 2019 22:40:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Security Considerations Authors : Tal Mizrahi Ethan Grossman Andrew J. Hacker Subir Das John Dowdell Henrik Austad Kevin Stanton Norman Finn Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-security-05.txt Pages : 44 Date : 2019-08-29 Abstract: A deterministic network is one that can carry data flows for real- time applications with extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. Deterministic networks have been successfully deployed in real-time operational technology (OT) applications for some years (for example [ARINC664P7]). However, such networks are typically isolated from external access, and thus the security threat from external attackers is low. IETF Deterministic Networking (DetNet) specifies a set of technologies that enable creation of deterministic networks on IP-based networks of potentially wide area (on the scale of a corporate network) potentially bringing the OT network into contact with Information Technology (IT) traffic and security threats that lie outside of a tightly controlled and bounded area (such as the internals of an aircraft). These DetNet technologies have not previously been deployed together on a wide area IP-based network, and thus can present security considerations that may be new to IP- based wide area network designers. This draft, intended for use by DetNet network designers, provides insight into these security considerations. In addition, this draft collects all security- related statements from the various DetNet drafts (Architecture, Use Cases, etc) into a single location Section 8. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-security/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-security-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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I am still= waiting for text to be contributed for the MPLS sub-section.=20 I added a sub-section for TSN, since it is named as a sub-network technolog= y in the Architecture draft, but as usual I'm not sure what to put there. A= ny input is welcome, and we can always say "there is nothing to add here" (= as we did for IP) if we believe that to be the case.=20 As always your input is solicited.=20 Thanks, Ethan (as DetNet Security draft editor) -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.or= g Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2019 3:41 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-05.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Security Consid= erations Authors : Tal Mizrahi Ethan Grossman Andrew J. Hacker Subir Das John Dowdell Henrik Austad Kevin Stanton Norman Finn Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-security-05.txt Pages : 44 Date : 2019-08-29 Abstract: A deterministic network is one that can carry data flows for real- time applications with extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. Deterministic networks have been successfully deployed in real-time operational technology (OT) applications for some years (for example [ARINC664P7]). However, such networks are typically isolated from external access, and thus the security threat from external attackers is low. IETF Deterministic Networking (DetNet) specifies a set of technologies that enable creation of deterministic networks on IP-based networks of potentially wide area (on the scale of a corporate network) potentially bringing the OT network into contact with Information Technology (IT) traffic and security threats that lie outside of a tightly controlled and bounded area (such as the internals of an aircraft). These DetNet technologies have not previously been deployed together on a wide area IP-based network, and thus can present security considerations that may be new to IP- based wide area network designers. This draft, intended for use by DetNet network designers, provides insight into these security considerations. In addition, this draft collects all security- related statements from the various DetNet drafts (Architecture, Use Cases, etc) into a single location Section 8. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-security/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-05 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-05 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-detnet-security-05 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet