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Sat, 2 Nov 2019 20:59:37 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <157275357735.5994.10091484075877660890@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 02 Nov 2019 20:59:37 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-06.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 03:59:38 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Security Considerations Authors : Tal Mizrahi Ethan Grossman Andrew J. Hacker Subir Das John Dowdell Henrik Austad Norman Finn Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-security-06.txt Pages : 46 Date : 2019-11-02 Abstract: A deterministic network is one that can carry data flows for real- time applications with extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. Deterministic networks have been successfully deployed in real-time operational technology (OT) applications for some years. However, such networks are typically isolated from external access, and thus the security threat from external attackers is low. IETF Deterministic Networking (DetNet) specifies a set of technologies that enable creation of deterministic networks on IP-based networks of potentially wide area (on the scale of a corporate network) potentially bringing the OT network into contact with Information Technology (IT) traffic and security threats that lie outside of a tightly controlled and bounded area (such as the internals of an aircraft). These DetNet technologies have not previously been deployed together on a wide area IP-based network, and thus can present security considerations that may be new to IP-based wide area network designers. This draft, intended for use by DetNet network designers, provides insight into these security considerations. In addition, this draft collects all security-related statements from the various DetNet drafts (Architecture, Use Cases, etc) into a single location Section 8. 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To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-06.txt Thread-Index: AQHVkfsjBU9EZcfhmE6wLuTco5+nmqd40vtA Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2019 04:19:27 +0000 Message-ID: References: <157275357735.5994.10091484075877660890@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <157275357735.5994.10091484075877660890@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-dg-ref: PG1ldGE+PGF0IG5tPSJib2R5LnR4dCIgcD0iYzpcdXNlcnNcZWFncm9zXGFwcGRhdGFccm9hbWluZ1wwOWQ4NDliNi0zMmQzLTRhNDAtODVlZS02Yjg0YmEyOWUzNWJcbXNnc1xtc2ctMWViMTFlZGUtZmRmMS0xMWU5LWI5MTAtODRmZGQxM2NkNGNmXGFtZS10ZXN0XDFlYjExZWRmLWZkZjEtMTFlOS1iOTEwLTg0ZmRkMTNjZDRjZmJvZHkudHh0IiBzej0iNTgzOSIgdD0iMTMyMTcyMjgzNjY2NjI0MTIxIiBoPSIwSTNZOFRveE1mY1lyRWxoSm1OcVBWdndkQzA9IiBpZD0iIiBibD0iMCIgYm89IjEiLz48L21ldGE+ x-dg-rorf: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=eagros@dolby.com; x-originating-ip: [73.70.15.21] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: b322b6cf-4f10-406f-221a-08d760150456 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR06MB5239: x-ms-exchange-purlcount: 5 x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:9508; x-forefront-prvs: 0210479ED8 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(396003)(366004)(39830400003)(136003)(346002)(376002)(189003)(53754006)(199004)(13464003)(52536014)(186003)(99286004)(66556008)(5640700003)(64756008)(2906002)(6306002)(66066001)(476003)(3846002)(966005)(229853002)(9686003)(66574012)(6116002)(66946007)(25786009)(316002)(2501003)(53546011)(76116006)(11346002)(446003)(81156014)(1730700003)(486006)(7696005)(74316002)(6916009)(76176011)(305945005)(33656002)(7736002)(55016002)(14454004)(26005)(66446008)(66476007)(15650500001)(71200400001)(478600001)(71190400001)(6246003)(81166006)(6436002)(14444005)(2351001)(8936002)(8676002)(256004)(5660300002)(102836004)(6506007)(86362001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BYAPR06MB5239; H:BYAPR06MB4325.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:3; A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: dolby.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: oSTx3Yxm958dIiiqorUWg4K3cpYJlEEWYpaCOozABA13QEPLVwl9/i0JQCtolCrbsDIUFBpEekZdpmR/Cnw7eDbgTGaJLJQxycerMHhyCvxSXk4vc4GVo+Ha0zP7oSSUvZxQp+VETVwIFHeM5k2lm26Nc2zSHkP1LMogMiwhFIvCmpTZQ7jf+2rTUV15UJi/Vt9ovowOVu0B7duV67GBDHNi9AIztPpD/tUHGOni4L5R/WPqKOsjNMYwvJH+UiDepKrJ/QX2SXEMsU3z7qSgW+9zDmRjRiqWtbY8rAtXnJM707Xo35YJhw3ZZmDVz6HiBJCiBEwLICibt4N/DHWp9gdyLu+3/MaA92yVDZwvlQr+VaVMkSx+sRB039myZxsFaKg5Bery9YuwEeioxk9qL5xMHm2E8IGzJAx0rt5BJBxsBifqWGUYxQq2RDRKA2Vp6AtEVDxAvIeH93BsIrcU1KABTsJ3PvID0FkKhSndXh0= x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dolby.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: b322b6cf-4f10-406f-221a-08d760150456 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 03 Nov 2019 04:19:27.8168 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 05408d25-cd0d-40c8-8962-5462de64a318 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: aojLoBCHw9Emr+mDjZQh+PykOgI79NNhuWRIJRlMSqdgr0p7CK4crcsFNIM5/m4pjv3v0z4ohAsvRxDzqTSFzQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR06MB5239 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-06.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2019 04:19:36 -0000 Hi All, The main purpose of this update is to add new (albeit "placeholder") text f= or security issues specific to DetNet over MPLS, kindly contributed by Stew= art. The IP-specific text was already in place, although it doesn't say muc= h more than "nothing to see here, keep moving". The new MPLS text says pret= ty much the same thing but in many more words ;- )=20 A few other minor changes crept in along the way, which I characterize in t= otal as:=20 v06 2019-11-02 EAG =20 Add placeholder text from Stewart for MPLS dataplane-specific consideratio= ns. Removed Kevin Stanton as author.=20 Added "dummy traffic insertion" based on Norm's comment. Clarified that authentication (not encryption) is used for tr= affic origin verification, per Henrik. Added "Packet Sequence Number Integrity Considerations" secti= on, per Norm comment. Occasional auto-reformat changes. There is still work identified to do on this draft. Below is my current ToD= o list, in no particular order:=20 ToDo list: Update Appendix A security text for various drafts including = Architecture and new dataplane drafts. Validate use of words "attack" and "threat" is correct - pref= er use of "attack" unless necessary. Add a new attack type for internal knowledge of drivers/firmw= are (as noted in the existing Multiple Hops section) per Pascal - Is this i= n scope? Fill in ToDo sections. ?? Should control plane references be moved to an appendix si= nce currently out of scope for DetNet? ?? Is the Security draft going to hold up publication of the = DP drafts? It is referenced as=20 Informational in DP drafts. ?? What to do with use case text from appendix? "We believe i= t would be helpful to establish=20 solid requirements before we can expect external reviewers= =20 to review this draft, so our intent is to take the various = use case statements in the appendix and=20 turn them into more formal statement of requirements that a= reviewer could measure our draft against." ?? Pascal pointed out that we could discuss attacks on the UN= I, e.g. buffering Flesh out MPLS-specific considerations, e.g. "dynamic aspects".=20 If anyone has any interest in contributing to any of these items, or any of= your own observations on the subject, or any corrections to the above work= , that would be much appreciated, please send me raw text or xml or just ra= ndom notes and I can flesh them out into sentences.=20 Thanks, Ethan (as DetNet Security draft editor)=20 -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.or= g Sent: Saturday, November 2, 2019 9:00 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-06.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Security Consid= erations Authors : Tal Mizrahi Ethan Grossman Andrew J. Hacker Subir Das John Dowdell Henrik Austad Norman Finn Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-security-06.txt Pages : 46 Date : 2019-11-02 Abstract: A deterministic network is one that can carry data flows for real- time applications with extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. Deterministic networks have been successfully deployed in real-time operational technology (OT) applications for some years. However, such networks are typically isolated from external access, and thus the security threat from external attackers is low. IETF Deterministic Networking (DetNet) specifies a set of technologies that enable creation of deterministic networks on IP-based networks of potentially wide area (on the scale of a corporate network) potentially bringing the OT network into contact with Information Technology (IT) traffic and security threats that lie outside of a tightly controlled and bounded area (such as the internals of an aircraft). These DetNet technologies have not previously been deployed together on a wide area IP-based network, and thus can present security considerations that may be new to IP-based wide area network designers. This draft, intended for use by DetNet network designers, provides insight into these security considerations. In addition, this draft collects all security-related statements from the various DetNet drafts (Architecture, Use Cases, etc) into a single location Section 8. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-security/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-06 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-06 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-detnet-security-06 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Mon Nov 4 05:19:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3EBE1201CE; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 05:18:57 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <157287353796.16535.1015107235659191853@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 05:18:57 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-yang-04.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 13:18:58 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Configuration YANG Model Authors : Xuesong Geng Mach(Guoyi) Chen Yeoncheol Ryoo Zhenqiang Li Reshad Rahman Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-yang-04.txt Pages : 39 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document contains the specification for Deterministic Networking flow configuration YANG Model. The model allows for provisioning of end-to-end DetNet service along the path without dependency on any signaling protocol. The YANG module defined in this document conforms to the Network Management Datastore Architecture (NMDA). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-yang/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-yang-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-yang-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-yang-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Nov 4 08:57:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 114C0120100; Mon, 4 Nov 2019 08:57:18 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.108.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <157288663792.16617.16890874446970801121@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 08:57:18 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency-01.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 16:57:18 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Bounded Latency Authors : Norman Finn Jean-Yves Le Boudec Ehsan Mohammadpour Jiayi Zhang Balázs Varga János Farkas Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency-01.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-11-04 Abstract: This document presents a timing model for Deterministic Networking (DetNet), so that existing and future standards can achieve the DetNet quality of service features of bounded latency and zero congestion loss. It defines requirements for resource reservation protocols or servers. It calls out queuing mechanisms, defined in other documents, that can provide the DetNet quality of service. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-bounded-latency-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Janos From: Grossman, Ethan A. Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 3:48 AM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A ; Janos Farkas ; Lou Berger ; 'Don Fedyk' ; Andrew G. Malis ; Stewart Bryant ; Jouni Korhonen Cc: detnet@ietf.org; detnet-chairs@ietf.org Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls, dra= ft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of preparation for WG Last Call Are you aware of any IPR that applies to any of the four data plane drafts = identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to any of these four drafts" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to these drafts" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3979, 4879, 3669 and 5378 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the abo= ve by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware o= f any relevant IPR. These documents will not advance to the next stage unti= l a response has been received from each author and listed contributor. NOT= E: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. Your singl= e response will apply to all four of the drafts mentioned above. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Ethan Grossman, document shepherd PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your respons= e. --_000_AM0PR07MB62424FEDFD3C55995592248CF27E0AM0PR07MB6242eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to any of = these four drafts.

Janos

 

From: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2019 3:48 AM
To: Bal=E1zs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>; Janos Fark= as <Janos.Farkas@ericsson.com>; Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net>; = 'Don Fedyk' <dfedyk@labn.net>; Andrew G. Malis <agmalis@gmail.com&= gt;; Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>; Jouni Korhonen <jo= uni.nospam@gmail.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org; detnet-chairs@ietf.org
Subject: Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip, draft-ietf-detnet-mp= ls, draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip=

 

Authors, Contributors, WG,

 

As part of preparation for WG Last Call

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to any of t= he four data plane drafts identified above?

 

Please state either:

 

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies t= o any of these four drafts"

or

"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to these= drafts"

 

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If yes to the above, please state either:

 

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in complian= ce with IETF IPR rules"

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--_000_AM0PR07MB62424FEDFD3C55995592248CF27E0AM0PR07MB6242eurp_-- From nobody Tue Nov 5 06:59:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C3412001A for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 06:59:52 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vxw4dlNu4AZ5 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 06:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy8-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [67.222.33.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6F5861200B4 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 06:59:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMGW (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy8.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A401AB377 for ; Tue, 5 Nov 2019 07:59:40 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id S0J1iwEMT20MZS0J1ibyry; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 07:59:40 -0700 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=M5E9E24s c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=MeAgGD-zjQ4A:10 a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=-Lw-VvIn3au5yojqF7oA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=GKIqsH/7T3NCV/NGCjETVkC+WHGumJQr8s6OsNX2b8s=; b=Ieint84hEe/Ym9/QsULcI6GWHT RuD7uv1cm45SsWEuL9Wc3izX7q6YZzjvKzGhwm4mS90derd8RaoybLfqrl951W9EhsCn3JduZjVlJ bSR9Oy/sbd2KY2smfJyRFxb7c; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=59593 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iS0J1-002ual-Qz; Tue, 05 Nov 2019 07:59:39 -0700 To: DetNet WG , DetNet Chairs From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <898e7c69-95ba-5eb1-90a6-eba7d2f935f0@labn.net> Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2019 09:59:34 -0500 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1iS0J1-002ual-Qz X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:59593 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Draft IETF106 agenda uploaded X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Nov 2019 14:59:52 -0000 Hi,     The draft agenda is available at https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/agenda-106-detnet - expect some minor changes before the meeting. Please send any omissions / corrections to the chairs alias. Thank you (and to Ethan for the draft!). 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Towards this end= we will have a slot for a DetNet Security discussion at the DetNet session= , and also in advance of the session a side meeting to bring together ideas= from any interested parties, such as yourself. >From my point of view, the key DetNet Security question currently is "Are t= here any considerations that are both DetNet-specific (i.e. specific to tim= e-sensitive networks) and DetNet-technology-specific (IP, MPLS, TSN)?". At= this point the draft has "placeholder" sections to address that question, = which basically say "there are none". Are we comfortable publishing the dra= ft with that stance? We have established a time for the discussion, which is to overlap Wednesda= y Afternoon session II: 15:20-16:50 Wednesday Afternoon (in other words Session II --> Overlapped= by DetNet Security Considerations Side Meeting). The location has not been established - if you have even the slightest inkl= ing that you may want to attend this side meeting, please send me an email = to that effect, and once we have the location set, I will let y'all know. A= nd of course if you have comments you are encouraged to send them to the li= st. Thanks, Ethan. --_000_BYAPR06MB432543E18E062A0B4B51179FC4740BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

To: “DetNet Security Considerations” pot= entially interested parties

From: Ethan (as DetNet Security Considerations draft= editor)

 

We are now driving towards completion of the DetNet = Security Considerations draft, particularly since the DetNet data plane dra= fts refer to it, and we have now completed WG LC on 5 of those data plane d= rafts. Towards this end we will have a slot for a DetNet Security discussion at the DetNet session, and also in= advance of the session a side meeting to bring together ideas from any int= erested parties, such as yourself.

 

From my point of view, the key DetNet Security quest= ion currently is “Are there any considerations that are both DetNet-s= pecific (i.e. specific to time-sensitive networks) and DetNet-technology-sp= ecific (IP, MPLS, TSN)?”.  At this point the draft has “placeholder” sections to address that question,= which basically say “there are none”. Are we comfortable publi= shing the draft with that stance?

 

We have established a time for the discussion, which= is to overlap Wednesday Afternoon session II:

 

15:20-16:50   Wednesday Aft= ernoon (in other words Session II =E0 Overlapped by DetNet Secur= ity Considerations Side Meeting).

 

The location has not been established – if you= have even the slightest inkling that you may want to attend this side meet= ing, please send me an email to that effect, and once we have the location = set, I will let y’all know. And of course if you have comments you are encouraged to send them to the list.

 

Thanks,

Ethan.

 

 

 

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To: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WG Last Call completed: draft-ietf-detnet-ip, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls, draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip Thread-Index: AdWdrsVJRePc9f/KRoy/dg9vtvh1zA== Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:24:50 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-dg-ref: PG1ldGE+PGF0IG5tPSJib2R5Lmh0bWwiIHA9ImM6XHVzZXJzXGVhZ3Jvc1xhcHBkYXRhXHJvYW1pbmdcMDlkODQ5YjYtMzJkMy00YTQwLTg1ZWUtNmI4NGJhMjllMzViXG1zZ3NcbXNnLTM1NmZjNmUwLTA5YTItMTFlYS1iOTEwLTg0ZmRkMTNjZDRjZlxhbWUtdGVzdFwzNTZmYzZlMi0wOWEyLTExZWEtYjkxMC04NGZkZDEzY2Q0Y2Zib2R5Lmh0bWwiIHN6PSIyOTgyIiB0PSIxMzIxODUxMzg4ODUyMTQ0MTIiIGg9IjR2NVhWRkpkTkxQQy9tRWNXVjZYOUNHWE84OD0iIGlkPSIiIGJsPSIwIiBibz0iMSIvPjwvbWV0YT4= authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=eagros@dolby.com; x-originating-ip: [203.127.152.4] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 5b533707-470d-4f20-1b25-08d76bc61bd8 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR06MB6263: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8273; x-forefront-prvs: 0225B0D5BC x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(136003)(366004)(376002)(346002)(39850400004)(396003)(189003)(199004)(74316002)(55016002)(6916009)(6306002)(256004)(99286004)(76116006)(54896002)(9686003)(2351001)(5640700003)(6436002)(8936002)(25786009)(81156014)(7696005)(81166006)(1730700003)(8676002)(86362001)(5660300002)(6116002)(3846002)(790700001)(476003)(186003)(66066001)(71190400001)(71200400001)(4744005)(102836004)(6506007)(316002)(14454004)(66946007)(66446008)(64756008)(66556008)(66476007)(478600001)(52536014)(33656002)(7736002)(486006)(2906002)(26005)(2501003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BYAPR06MB6263; H:BYAPR06MB4325.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: dolby.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: KkLSdxlDn9J+O/YVZ2dCHYixNqw10Pct4gdj4fNoYcyC6mnON/1+4yEyII0d08nGcOVccE5kvSISKIEmSftg3+b34K+Hd0y746zvIEfsHK65JNFGzfmDMi4WLrfah9zypwxHld8KhkVAXmEc+P++P7PEr7feP6J8RNcDN+o/LPSVn0mApzhtJDmsrUp1HVgUADf0F6Qi6X2/Docw4bYE6STGJ1VZqDejb3v3hAWwquGbl1pke1+dSAkPciQX+IBm0lIeFMTxvLh65FLl/wjkZ2IWZLWZOq5zaKi7ts6D6/pYmY3il434Lt4TTWO4YQpzX+kHwTtJAHENiABb6BxF4wNLCZaIKUiGu3muYuRSye5Y+COzOzHTt8GjlFs94I5mGZ9ZRGy2P+waJNaLXMK+ZPBkjL4TAbwO8sDktNYMnJD4WaTViNrbCkm5fJ9PlRDE x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BYAPR06MB43258282DBCEE65CDB9A19C3C44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dolby.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 5b533707-470d-4f20-1b25-08d76bc61bd8 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2019 01:24:50.9879 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 05408d25-cd0d-40c8-8962-5462de64a318 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: SjR5TV5q+LZrf4jdYXHMF55N4ejhRlYDpOGI5GA8enoTyJMPOltrkTbgcPYqN4ARUUAvUJkSWSyY7iJWqsyppA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR06MB6263 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] WG Last Call completed: draft-ietf-detnet-ip, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls, draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:24:56 -0000 --_000_BYAPR06MB43258282DBCEE65CDB9A19C3C44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable All, The two-week working group last call period has ended (on 11Nov19) for the = following four data plane drafts: draft-ietf-detnet-ip-03 draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-03 draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-03 draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip-03 Thank you to all who participated. Authors please address any comments that= were received privately or publicly, and let the working group know how th= ese are addressed and when the documents are ready to be submitted to the I= ESG. Thank you, Ethan Grossman, Document Shepherd --_000_BYAPR06MB43258282DBCEE65CDB9A19C3C44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

All,

 

The two-week working group last call period has ende= d (on 11Nov19) for the following four data plane drafts:

 

draft-ietf-detnet-ip-03

draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-03

draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-03

draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip-03

 

Thank you to all who participated. Authors plea= se address any comments that were received privately or publicly, and let t= he working group know how these are addressed and when the documents are re= ady to be submitted to the IESG.

 

Thank you,

Ethan Grossman, Document Shepherd

 

 

 

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To: Tal Mizrahi , "Black, David" , Stewart Bryant CC: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF 106 - Wed 15:20-16:50 Thread-Index: AdWY0mme7At/pOlFRtOAMBGnmRryAAE38KRg Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:51:06 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-dg-ref: PG1ldGE+PGF0IG5tPSJib2R5Lmh0bWwiIHA9ImM6XHVzZXJzXGVhZ3Jvc1xhcHBkYXRhXHJvYW1pbmdcMDlkODQ5YjYtMzJkMy00YTQwLTg1ZWUtNmI4NGJhMjllMzViXG1zZ3NcbXNnLWUxMWNhZDE2LTA5YTUtMTFlYS1iOTEwLTg0ZmRkMTNjZDRjZlxhbWUtdGVzdFxlMTFjYWQxOC0wOWE1LTExZWEtYjkxMC04NGZkZDEzY2Q0Y2Zib2R5Lmh0bWwiIHN6PSI1NDcxIiB0PSIxMzIxODUxNTQ2NTAxMDM2MjciIGg9IjNzZ0V5MmNZdHdGS1dHU2VBS05uaWhwUWpHcz0iIGlkPSIiIGJsPSIwIiBibz0iMSIvPjwvbWV0YT4= x-dg-rorf: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=eagros@dolby.com; x-originating-ip: [203.127.152.4] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 3a8b9fa0-274f-42ff-c25c-08d76bc9c6d4 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR06MB6152: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:9508; x-forefront-prvs: 0225B0D5BC x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(396003)(366004)(136003)(376002)(39840400004)(346002)(189003)(199004)(229853002)(33656002)(102836004)(66574012)(25786009)(7696005)(86362001)(4326008)(76176011)(64756008)(66446008)(81156014)(8676002)(26005)(81166006)(8936002)(66946007)(6246003)(14444005)(256004)(52536014)(76116006)(14454004)(99286004)(476003)(486006)(11346002)(71190400001)(71200400001)(3846002)(66556008)(66476007)(186003)(790700001)(6116002)(5660300002)(2906002)(2420400007)(446003)(66066001)(15650500001)(55016002)(110136005)(6436002)(74316002)(478600001)(316002)(7110500001)(53546011)(6506007)(7736002)(54896002)(6306002)(9686003); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; SCL:1; SRVR:BYAPR06MB6152; H:BYAPR06MB4325.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: dolby.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: jraKHjIg242DzmYL2bVX5NsdwXPWlHUxcM6fRjCJcUsqnQ2ONlOkQsB+1nS7go2+hxX8KowTfpOsWZtru2k4iQUQAe5NmE5IC+uBETyhWlNf7VEgk+Y1TfoUpzdgX6/KUm2hhbBH4RdjWnyi0kZ6M4CEv3EGnu92MY4r2L2aYSBAO+lEpU5i1yi3l/tFEIk4luLxfwoZ/KqiGxF4kQyt03HwqiznXWxLNO/BANryGEMznkz9k5Jo2pYBRRDxVj71OtTPVtJ2/0PGpwaCv+UbuycSa0yTLEjKxgVtbCtPS24awOnYAxIibhKlP2Nbqj8q/lFv6FuSvs5Jnvb344sf+71oyNaO3DmW9j+Uv1hLaYytwBeeDIknY9CbQI+rT8lMx/tdZFink4SxoFP8szt3Xm7bg2wfGxvJDiJ/lf+0dgvBp/+HOChraDpKvOP+k+Ab x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_BYAPR06MB432592D952920B8EAD3C58DFC44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dolby.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3a8b9fa0-274f-42ff-c25c-08d76bc9c6d4 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2019 01:51:06.3046 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 05408d25-cd0d-40c8-8962-5462de64a318 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: d21AYirY2UCksKHyCW0eO05RY2PIYlck5eGbfptzd6cBunMCGLTzKUIoJObq2mWdZ6PKABTHGNU+FJq3Y6ad3g== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR06MB6152 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF 106 - Wed 15:20-16:50 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 01:51:13 -0000 --_000_BYAPR06MB432592D952920B8EAD3C58DFC44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable As of today there are four of us, so the plan is to meet at the IETF Regist= ration desk Wed at 15:20 and find a place to sit, ad hoc. If anyone else ca= res to join us, please do. Thanks, Ethan. From: Grossman, Ethan A. Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:25 AM To: detnet@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security@ietf.org Cc: Alissa Cooper ; kaduk@mit.edu; Alvaro Retana ; Mirja K=FChlewind ; rt-dt-security@= ietf.org; Tero Kivinen ; Kathleen Moriarty ; Tal Mizrahi ; Black, David <= David.Black@dell.com>; Deborah Brungard Subject: DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF 106 - Wed 15:20-16:5= 0 To: "DetNet Security Considerations" potentially interested parties From: Ethan (as DetNet Security Considerations draft editor) We are now driving towards completion of the DetNet Security Considerations= draft, particularly since the DetNet data plane drafts refer to it, and we= have now completed WG LC on 5 of those data plane drafts. Towards this end= we will have a slot for a DetNet Security discussion at the DetNet session= , and also in advance of the session a side meeting to bring together ideas= from any interested parties, such as yourself. >From my point of view, the key DetNet Security question currently is "Are t= here any considerations that are both DetNet-specific (i.e. specific to tim= e-sensitive networks) and DetNet-technology-specific (IP, MPLS, TSN)?". At= this point the draft has "placeholder" sections to address that question, = which basically say "there are none". Are we comfortable publishing the dra= ft with that stance? We have established a time for the discussion, which is to overlap Wednesda= y Afternoon session II: 15:20-16:50 Wednesday Afternoon (in other words Session II --> Overlapped= by DetNet Security Considerations Side Meeting). The location has not been established - if you have even the slightest inkl= ing that you may want to attend this side meeting, please send me an email = to that effect, and once we have the location set, I will let y'all know. A= nd of course if you have comments you are encouraged to send them to the li= st. Thanks, Ethan. --_000_BYAPR06MB432592D952920B8EAD3C58DFC44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

As of today there are four of us, so the plan is to = meet at the IETF Registration desk Wed at 15:20 and find a place to sit, ad= hoc. If anyone else cares to join us, please do.

Thanks,

Ethan.

 

From: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com= >
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:25 AM
To: detnet@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security@ietf.org
Cc: Alissa Cooper <alissa@cooperw.in>; kaduk@mit.edu; Alvaro R= etana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>; Mirja K=FChlewind <ietf@kuehlewind= .net>; rt-dt-security@ietf.org; Tero Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi>; Kat= hleen Moriarty <kathleen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>; Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com>; Black, David <David.Black@dell.com&g= t;; Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>
Subject: DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF 106 - Wed 15:= 20-16:50

 

To: “DetNet Security Considerations” pot= entially interested parties

From: Ethan (as DetNet Security Considerations draft= editor)

 

We are now driving towards completion of the DetNet = Security Considerations draft, particularly since the DetNet data plane dra= fts refer to it, and we have now completed WG LC on 5 of those data plane d= rafts. Towards this end we will have a slot for a DetNet Security discussion at the DetNet session, and also in= advance of the session a side meeting to bring together ideas from any int= erested parties, such as yourself.

 

From my point of view, the key DetNet Security quest= ion currently is “Are there any considerations that are both DetNet-s= pecific (i.e. specific to time-sensitive networks) and DetNet-technology-sp= ecific (IP, MPLS, TSN)?”.  At this point the draft has “placeholder” sections to address that question,= which basically say “there are none”. Are we comfortable publi= shing the draft with that stance?

 

We have established a time for the discussion, which= is to overlap Wednesday Afternoon session II:

 

15:20-16:50   Wednesday Aft= ernoon (in other words Session II =E0 Overlapped by DetNet Secur= ity Considerations Side Meeting).

 

The location has not been established – if you= have even the slightest inkling that you may want to attend this side meet= ing, please send me an email to that effect, and once we have the location = set, I will let y’all know. And of course if you have comments you are encouraged to send them to the list.

 

Thanks,

Ethan.

 

 

 

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I gather we need to move that ref to the Informative section= ? Maybe you did already? Thanks, Ethan. --_000_BYAPR06MB4325CEF19B05A819A12161A1C44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Balazs,

I forget if this has already been brought up but I r= an idnits on the ip data plane draft -03 and it flagged the normative refer= ence to RFC2475 (An Architecture for Differentiated Services, which is an I= nformative draft) as a downref error. I gather we need to move that ref to the Informative section? Maybe you di= d already?

Thanks,

Ethan.

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CC: "detnet@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: data plane draft normative reference to RFC2475 Thread-Index: AdWdvnBpCUM5gNh0RwSZRdxP43msQAAGJNow Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 06:12:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: hu-HU, en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com; x-originating-ip: [31.133.158.235] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: a917a288-7cd6-410a-5968-08d76bee3f4a x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: AM6PR0702MB3576: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8273; x-forefront-prvs: 0225B0D5BC x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10009020)(4636009)(396003)(346002)(39860400002)(136003)(376002)(366004)(189003)(199004)(66946007)(7696005)(186003)(66556008)(66446008)(81166006)(81156014)(64756008)(66476007)(86362001)(5660300002)(8936002)(256004)(4326008)(229853002)(26005)(6246003)(4743002)(14454004)(7736002)(6916009)(6506007)(102836004)(6306002)(71190400001)(53546011)(54896002)(9686003)(8676002)(25786009)(55016002)(790700001)(476003)(76116006)(6116002)(478600001)(446003)(52536014)(71200400001)(4744005)(11346002)(3846002)(99286004)(66574012)(66066001)(2906002)(9326002)(74316002)(316002)(6436002)(486006)(33656002)(76176011); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; SCL:1; SRVR:AM6PR0702MB3576; H:AM6PR0702MB3800.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; FPR:; SPF:None; LANG:en; PTR:InfoNoRecords; MX:1; A:1; received-spf: None (protection.outlook.com: ericsson.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 4NTOA20mJpTKQeosw2spgXGNfMsU9XK/xTYt0j8euhPf1dxQzQaweLuZlfQmi6xRTB5wLqbY77U5LRimC1qbUVt3gwDmMYGZu1NtrC4IgL/h0x+wTvlvsB+LfaY7iEPsZJIOMExfEniww+S29FoVPXwl3Fmx2NrktebpBD3b570PKIImwTIxlYZCvFpFF4/qaNDGa6QGOYAZNAczWwIXuidrP4cIZ7tWUVLuQfPryb6fJ7dEcz4iTY605M2B/kBPeVP8ej3D6AyYPexawFWcNCLa0p/SXhe19Jeb8AkxWAcDe9q1R11e4YbOe0PSAUrk3zpv7qEhtemTCUCJOJ90VLJ82m49v9gSM6zn9g5ujH6mXKVfHfURZWMzroo10FpAxJAPkcRYWCvhTyGk48yvhrJ0KpNgGL0k/VqglqFsvrxYSGMCKiAgHDAtMO8n5qlK x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_AM6PR0702MB3800D4A0E50B9E6115EAF3E0AC4D0AM6PR0702MB3800_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a917a288-7cd6-410a-5968-08d76bee3f4a X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 18 Nov 2019 06:12:10.3960 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: +UzxfyKYTKr5ipxJOsHs3WYG9m4wfe1ExZaa3LXsL9nPq3lEPjID9R1eEQoz1fNkZVtMvVyYZLH1zkHlpRdjPjyGaFdUMWJxe/qbghHe0dc= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR0702MB3576 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] data plane draft normative reference to RFC2475 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 06:12:15 -0000 --_000_AM6PR0702MB3800D4A0E50B9E6115EAF3E0AC4D0AM6PR0702MB3800_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Ethan, Thanks, not yet done. I will do it for the next version. Cheers Bala'zs From: Grossman, Ethan A. Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:31 AM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: data plane draft normative reference to RFC2475 Hi Balazs, I forget if this has already been brought up but I ran idnits on the ip dat= a plane draft -03 and it flagged the normative reference to RFC2475 (An Arc= hitecture for Differentiated Services, which is an Informative draft) as a = downref error. I gather we need to move that ref to the Informative section= ? Maybe you did already? Thanks, Ethan. --_000_AM6PR0702MB3800D4A0E50B9E6115EAF3E0AC4D0AM6PR0702MB3800_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ethan,

Thanks, not yet done. I will do it for the next vers= ion.

Cheers

Bala’zs

 

From: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com= >
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 11:31 AM
To: Bal=E1zs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: data plane draft normative reference to RFC2475 =

 

Hi Balazs,

I forget if this has already been brought up but I r= an idnits on the ip data plane draft -03 and it flagged the normative refer= ence to RFC2475 (An Architecture for Differentiated Services, which is an I= nformative draft) as a downref error. I gather we need to move that ref to the Informative section? Maybe you di= d already?

Thanks,

Ethan.

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The IP and MPLS drafts do not normatively reference any data plane drafts, = however the IP over MPLS draft mirrors the language above, so we have the s= ame situation there. I thought the intent was to cross-reference between the four drafts as Info= rmative, to avoid dependence, but due to the above text, it appears to me t= hat we can't do that (or we need to change that text?). So my sense is that= in the Shepherd writeup I have to note this and explain that we intend to = publish the drafts "simultaneously". Does that sound right? And/or should we (or have you already) address(ed) t= his in some other way? Please advise. Thanks, Ethan (as Document Shepherd). --_000_BYAPR06MB432516CC22C95B74CB2FBBBDC44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Balazs,

 

I note that the MPLS over UDP draft references the D= etNet IP draft as Normative, and includes normative text referencing it: &n= bsp;

 

“The packet MUST then be handed as a DetNet IP= packet, per [I-D.ietf-detnet-ip].”

 

The IP and MPLS drafts do not normatively reference = any data plane drafts, however the IP over MPLS draft mirrors the language = above, so we have the same situation there.

 

I thought the intent was to cross-reference between = the four drafts as Informative, to avoid dependence, but due to the above t= ext, it appears to me that we can’t do that (or we need to change tha= t text?). So my sense is that in the Shepherd writeup I have to note this and explain that we intend to publish the draf= ts “simultaneously”.

 

Does that sound right? And/or should we (or have you= already) address(ed) this in some other way?

 

Please advise.

Thanks,

Ethan (as Document Shepherd).

--_000_BYAPR06MB432516CC22C95B74CB2FBBBDC44D0BYAPR06MB4325namp_-- From nobody Mon Nov 18 04:52:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C8D012090D for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:52:48 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uRpzAx5pgZs7 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-x835.google.com (mail-qt1-x835.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::835]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 357EE1200F6 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:52:46 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-x835.google.com with SMTP id n4so20098306qte.2 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:52:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=LJaDaHSi5/N4y7fT9LI79N9J1AuHExOM2VPqHC4d5Ho=; b=jFB2Y3Y/xwiZW2lDDrzHmucZJ9GhBRHEhco/DRjlntNy24Wxxr4Afj4mNfUGku6eoO sJBWUkRWgVcRWbrJIhZRW9MkaIyz0gmRmSAVgMBHZbMDmWbr6E7v/p27f3rSfEj7CHKM FzePQjWYPRHKMjG3O/yNZowO/zyv3gBZBQOtd0SuOhIsjVrmLyiOQgVkVXqlNq5cx2Kd 5dy6JaIy2CSUy/7YtMeVknZ4NDo4DOSC8Ah0MIc2JAictiR1ZvsfhAL8bbV0RHAIEF5t iUgER416AVAhVDB5KjgbfYxsFV3UgzICmnLTSuXWfqThzNdYzQ9DHJBCLAaAWCafrHZo fFGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=LJaDaHSi5/N4y7fT9LI79N9J1AuHExOM2VPqHC4d5Ho=; b=Q+weBxeDA/K8VwRwq/rhhI4BYy9zNVkODfJSZD60wmUpuaA1Nx35Jbbx7aTuEwMVxx H+12nb2LVO27Tx+hGnhLOdvGz2g5NX7aL21h/j3Mie+WaE+p5dKxD6Q0M8E6UNaTCk4e y04l4VTsXgd3Hil2JAG1QVIAeiI/MU+ml0EXCzd/0Q8XFTANBj1zvVYWXv7TQ/o86kcD nnwFehSaeVkmxxMX6JjoRLv1nmzGepj//Tw+81dCkgpV/HMutD2OQvYhgYojXs9NS/L8 ZwUp7DXbf0+GOWHLuIiE15aiepFIhkwVaLxaU4lSuevujGnqLBhXqnRfycnSy4Rd1ZgL i95Q== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWseX8dwG49oNVosxqos8e3MVadDLjKzsHB5OJQN3RjJK6jLlJt 8kFOh/6ipu1PD28GSyckcQcJnQbrGVc1yku3UDk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqznfWo6aoDA/He4qjvelpgpxeH4N5v+y15HeaDf7QSwALGxqM5CElLsUmJOrngnjbiwpXVHwQJRrpqM02D3whs= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:2dc9:: with SMTP id q9mr27658507qta.219.1574081565308; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:52:45 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 07:52:34 -0500 Message-ID: To: "Grossman, Ethan A." Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= , "detnet@ietf.org" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000008c38ee05979e6cef" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet MPLS over UDP - Normative reference to IP draft X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 12:52:48 -0000 --0000000000008c38ee05979e6cef Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ethen, My two cents is that those references should be normative, since in this case you need can't implement one without the other. You should flag that in the Shepherd's writeup, but even if you didn't, the RFC Editor will catch it and create a cluster for the documents so that they'll be published together. Cheers, Andy On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:24 AM Grossman, Ethan A. wrote= : > Hi Balazs, > > > > I note that the MPLS over UDP draft references the DetNet IP draft as > Normative, and includes normative text referencing it: > > > > =E2=80=9CThe packet MUST then be handed as a DetNet IP packet, per > [I-D.ietf-detnet-ip].=E2=80=9D > > > > The IP and MPLS drafts do not normatively reference any data plane drafts= , > however the IP over MPLS draft mirrors the language above, so we have the > same situation there. > > > > I thought the intent was to cross-reference between the four drafts as > Informative, to avoid dependence, but due to the above text, it appears t= o > me that we can=E2=80=99t do that (or we need to change that text?). So my= sense is > that in the Shepherd writeup I have to note this and explain that we inte= nd > to publish the drafts =E2=80=9Csimultaneously=E2=80=9D. > > > > Does that sound right? And/or should we (or have you already) address(ed) > this in some other way? > > > > Please advise. > > Thanks, > > Ethan (as Document Shepherd). > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --0000000000008c38ee05979e6cef Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ethen,

My two cents is that those refer= ences should be normative, since in this case you need can't implement = one without the other. You should flag that in the Shepherd's writeup, = but even if you didn't, the RFC Editor will catch it and create a clust= er for the documents so that they'll be published together.
<= br>
Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Nov 18, 20= 19 at 1:24 AM Grossman, Ethan A. <ea= gros@dolby.com> wrote:

Hi Balazs,

=C2=A0

I note that the MPLS over UDP draft references the D= etNet IP draft as Normative, and includes normative text referencing it: = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CThe packet MUST then be handed as a DetNet = IP packet, per [I-D.ietf-detnet-ip].=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

The IP and MPLS drafts do not normatively reference = any data plane drafts, however the IP over MPLS draft mirrors the language = above, so we have the same situation there.

=C2=A0

I thought the intent was to cross-reference between = the four drafts as Informative, to avoid dependence, but due to the above t= ext, it appears to me that we can=E2=80=99t do that (or we need to change t= hat text?). So my sense is that in the Shepherd writeup I have to note this and explain that we intend to publish the draf= ts =E2=80=9Csimultaneously=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

Does that sound right? And/or should we (or have you= already) address(ed) this in some other way?

=C2=A0

Please advise.

Thanks,

Ethan (as Document Shepherd).

_______________________________________________
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--0000000000008c38ee05979e6cef-- From nobody Mon Nov 18 17:00:02 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E055D1200F7 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:59:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z7i_0v5jn19E for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy10-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.20.226]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2E73C12004A for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:59:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMGW (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy10.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE23B140565 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:59:54 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Wrs2isK6i20MZWrs2iW1y1; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:59:54 -0700 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=X9UiECbe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=MeAgGD-zjQ4A:10 a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=jsLqV8V3AAAA:8 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=Uhoz_UELtRMEp7qtH6YA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=_v_8G6g9xTEXH9pE9fgA:9 a=DhQs-HwiYPff3hnS:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=ugk2N6kDtXxT1k6o-wp-:22 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Subject:References:In-Reply-To: Message-ID:Date:CC:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=TUHU+RP1/GiKUTWYTTy/DBcWDS/2Zeysumj7ihamXPI=; b=rwxaw9o0OsMSl8cAGJZ8vjzwhK LzD5c1SpiHQQzIsjJnmJfqwKTRNakeSfgWLg8oGHVPtp/BYDtKzCoKyv9ovnHu87oHodjsRZSFnFb Y0tugb1D4NVWETsAkdWBhoMlW; Received: from [172.58.27.149] (port=51830 helo=[21.240.218.198]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iWrs2-002fqk-4M; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 17:59:54 -0700 From: Lou Berger To: "Andrew G. Malis" , "Grossman, Ethan A." CC: , =?UTF-8?B?QmFsw6F6cyBWYXJnYSBB?= Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 08:59:49 +0800 Message-ID: <16e812c3788.277b.9b4188e636579690ba6c69f2c8a0f1fd@labn.net> In-Reply-To: References: User-Agent: AquaMail/1.20.0-1469 (build: 102100004) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------16e812c383173c7277b40df82e" X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 172.58.27.149 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1iWrs2-002fqk-4M X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([21.240.218.198]) [172.58.27.149]:51830 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 7 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet MPLS over UDP - Normative reference to IP draft X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 01:00:00 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------16e812c383173c7277b40df82e Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I think it makes sense for the IP over mpls document and mpls over IP to each have a normative reference to the base IP and mpls docs - for the reason voiced by Andy. I don't think the base documents should have a normative reference to the others as they are not needed to implement the base specs. Lou ---------- On November 18, 2019 8:53:24 PM "Andrew G. Malis" wrote: > Ethen, > > My two cents is that those references should be normative, since in this > case you need can't implement one without the other. You should flag that > in the Shepherd's writeup, but even if you didn't, the RFC Editor will > catch it and create a cluster for the documents so that they'll be > published together. > > Cheers, > Andy > > > On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 1:24 AM Grossman, Ethan A. wrote: > >> Hi Balazs, >> >> >> >> I note that the MPLS over UDP draft references the DetNet IP draft as >> Normative, and includes normative text referencing it: >> >> >> >> “The packet MUST then be handed as a DetNet IP packet, per >> [I-D.ietf-detnet-ip].” >> >> >> >> The IP and MPLS drafts do not normatively reference any data plane drafts, >> however the IP over MPLS draft mirrors the language above, so we have the >> same situation there. >> >> >> >> I thought the intent was to cross-reference between the four drafts as >> Informative, to avoid dependence, but due to the above text, it appears to >> me that we can’t do that (or we need to change that text?). So my sense is >> that in the Shepherd writeup I have to note this and explain that we intend >> to publish the drafts “simultaneously”. >> >> >> >> Does that sound right? And/or should we (or have you already) address(ed) >> this in some other way? >> >> >> >> Please advise. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Ethan (as Document Shepherd). >> _______________________________________________ >> detnet mailing list >> detnet@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet >> > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > ------------16e812c383173c7277b40df82e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

I think it makes sense for th= e IP over mpls  document and mpls over IP to each have a normative&nbs= p; reference to the base IP and mpls docs - for the reason voiced by Andy.&= nbsp; I don't think the base documents should have a normative reference to= the others as they are not needed to implement the base specs.

Lou

On November 18, 2019 8:53:24 PM "Andrew G. Malis" <ag= malis@gmail.com> wrote:

Ethen,

My two cents is that those refer= ences should be normative, since in this case you need can't implement = one without the other. You should flag that in the Shepherd's writeup, = but even if you didn't, the RFC Editor will catch it and create a clust= er for the documents so that they'll be published together.
<= br>
Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Nov 18, 20= 19 at 1:24 AM Grossman, Ethan A. <ea= gros@dolby.com> wrote:

Hi Balazs,

=C2=A0

I note that the MPLS over UDP draft references the D= etNet IP draft as Normative, and includes normative text referencing it: = =C2=A0

=C2=A0

=E2=80=9CThe packet MUST then be handed as a DetNet = IP packet, per [I-D.ietf-detnet-ip].=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

The IP and MPLS drafts do not normatively reference = any data plane drafts, however the IP over MPLS draft mirrors the language = above, so we have the same situation there.

=C2=A0

I thought the intent was to cross-reference between = the four drafts as Informative, to avoid dependence, but due to the above t= ext, it appears to me that we can=E2=80=99t do that (or we need to change t= hat text?). So my sense is that in the Shepherd writeup I have to note this and explain that we intend to publish the draf= ts =E2=80=9Csimultaneously=E2=80=9D.

=C2=A0

Does that sound right? And/or should we (or have you= already) address(ed) this in some other way?

=C2=A0

Please advise.

Thanks,

Ethan (as Document Shepherd).

_______________________________________________
detnet mailing list
detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet
_______________________________________________
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Regards, Janos and Lou -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of IETF Secretariat Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2019 2:38 AM To: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] Milestones changed for detnet WG Changed milestone "Finalize use cases (informational)", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone "Submit architecture (Standards Track)", resolved as "Don= e". Changed milestone "WG adoption of YANG model", resolved as "Done". Changed milestone "Finalize problem statement (informational)", resolved as= "Done". Deleted milestone "Re-charter or close". Changed milestone "Submit data plane specification (Standards Track)", set = due date to November 2019 from November 2018. Changed milestone "Submit data flow information model (informational)", set= due date to March 2020 from December 2018. Changed milestone "Submit YANG model (Standards Track)", set due date to Au= gust 2020 from April 2019. URL: https://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/detnet/about/ _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Mon Nov 18 19:18:39 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 762C1120800 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:18:37 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DSnwaEW-FyI3 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from gproxy2-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (outbound-ss-879.bluehost.com [69.89.30.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1F20E120255 for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 19:18:33 -0800 (PST) Received: from CMGW (unknown [10.9.0.13]) by gproxy2.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DAB1E0AAD for ; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:18:31 -0700 (MST) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id Wu2Bit5rw20MZWu2BiWmr7; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:18:31 -0700 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=X9UiECbe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=MeAgGD-zjQ4A:10 a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=HhhUxxYQ-RwS34xQIDwA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Type:MIME-Version:Date: Message-ID:Subject:From:To:Sender:Reply-To:Cc:Content-ID:Content-Description: Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID: In-Reply-To:References:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe: List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=IQgkGrLh8AuGBkt++pZ3VTBsGcOPyxxW2dT80RSTl6Y=; b=HUElvpYN1vxcMYTcYB/2W9PJ3v rfdP1deya4ryAGMCZ+EVqFoZ4ls+sL23kaluwlmw1DObnOHGBi6W94tnRu248uNe8EXibx5MiY0jZ 2wz59ZCt/Ny+Q8cIcuiKNl1dT; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=35111 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1iWu2B-003EgF-9p; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 20:18:31 -0700 To: DetNet WG , "draft-ietf-detnet-yang@ietf.org" From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <43a1bf35-85cf-289e-a677-1d1a886a09e0@labn.net> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 21:18:28 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1iWu2B-003EgF-9p X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:35111 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] side meeting: draft-ietf-detnet-yang X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 03:18:38 -0000 Hi,     We'll be having a "side" meeting to discuss draft-ietf-detnet-yang on Wednesday @1800-1900 in Bras Basah (​https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/floor-plan?room=bras-basah#raffles-city-convention-center) This meeting is open to all. 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The draft has been stable for some time. Hence, we ask you to consider starting the WG Adoption Poll for the draft-mirsky-detnet-oam-mpls. Regards, Greg --000000000000776a140597aa9611 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear WG Chairs, et al.,
authors of the=C2=A0draft-mirs= ky-detnet-mpls-oam=C2=A0believe that the draft proposes a viable soluti= on to support OAM in DetNet over the MPLS network that would enable re-use = of the existing AOM and development of the necessary extensions to test PRE= OF in DetNet MPLS domain. The draft has been stable for some time. Hence, w= e ask you to consider starting the WG Adoption Poll for the draft-mirsky-de= tnet-oam-mpls.

Regards,
Greg
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Dear All,
I've had discussions on how to ensure th= at a test session, monitoring for a failure or measuring performance, share= s the fate, i.e., traverses the same path and receives=C2=A0the same QoS tr= eatment, with the IP DetNet flow. One of the options considered was using m= apping the flows, likely by using ACLs. That is possible but requires a lot= of coordination with the management plane.
A possible solution m= ay be based on extending the definition of DetNet flow ID in an IP network.= = Section 6 of=C2=A0draft-ietf-detnet-ip defines the set of information t= hat identifies an individual or an aggregated DetNet flor in the IP network= . Because for the OAM flow some of the information that is used to define t= he DetNet flow will be different, we propose to allow that the DetNet flow = may be identified by the value calculated using the set of information iden= tified in Section 6. Then the OAM flow can be set in the way that the flow = ID calculating function generates the same identifier. (Using the same DetN= et IP=C2=A0 Class of Service for OAM is straightforward.)

I much appreciate your questions, comments, and suggestions.
<= div>
Regards,
Greg
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Dear Authors, et al.,
apologies for the belated questi= on and I greatly appreciate your consideration and clarification. The last = paragraph in Section 4.1 notes:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0In order to maximize= reuse of 5-tuple based mechanisms, e.g,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0traceroute, DetNet= -aware applications and end systems SHOULD NOT mix
=C2=A0 =C2=A0DetNet a= nd non-DetNet traffic within a single 5-tuple.
Could you help= me understand the reference to the traceroute in the text above? If the re= ference is to ICMP traceroute, then, I'll note, it is using the ICMP pr= otocol, not UDP or TCP. And, as I understand DetNet in IP, a DetNet IP flow= is not envisioned to be using ICMP. Perhaps the intention was to point to = the use of 5-tuple based load balancing in the ECMP environment?
=
Regards,
Greg
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Thanks, Ethan. From: detnet On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A. Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:51 AM To: Tal Mizrahi ; Black, David ; Stewart Bryant Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF 106 - W= ed 15:20-16:50 As of today there are four of us, so the plan is to meet at the IETF Regist= ration desk Wed at 15:20 and find a place to sit, ad hoc. If anyone else ca= res to join us, please do. Thanks, Ethan. From: Grossman, Ethan A. > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:25 AM To: detnet@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security@iet= f.org Cc: Alissa Cooper >; kaduk@mit.= edu; Alvaro Retana >; Mirja K=FChlewind >; rt-dt-security@ietf.org;= Tero Kivinen >; Kathleen Moriarty >; = Tal Mizrahi >; = Black, David >; Deborah B= rungard > Subject: DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF 106 - Wed 15:20-16:5= 0 To: "DetNet Security Considerations" potentially interested parties From: Ethan (as DetNet Security Considerations draft editor) We are now driving towards completion of the DetNet Security Considerations= draft, particularly since the DetNet data plane drafts refer to it, and we= have now completed WG LC on 5 of those data plane drafts. Towards this end= we will have a slot for a DetNet Security discussion at the DetNet session= , and also in advance of the session a side meeting to bring together ideas= from any interested parties, such as yourself. >From my point of view, the key DetNet Security question currently is "Are t= here any considerations that are both DetNet-specific (i.e. specific to tim= e-sensitive networks) and DetNet-technology-specific (IP, MPLS, TSN)?". At = this point the draft has "placeholder" sections to address that question, w= hich basically say "there are none". Are we comfortable publishing the draf= t with that stance? We have established a time for the discussion, which is to overlap Wednesda= y Afternoon session II: 15:20-16:50 Wednesday Afternoon (in other words Session II --> Overlapped b= y DetNet Security Considerations Side Meeting). The location has not been established - if you have even the slightest inkl= ing that you may want to attend this side meeting, please send me an email = to that effect, and once we have the location set, I will let y'all know. A= nd of course if you have comments you are encouraged to send them to the li= st. Thanks, Ethan. --_000_BYAPR06MB4325A3A3446D841DA0E992E7C44F0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Reminder, we are meeting today at 3:20pm at IETF Rec= eption desk…

Thanks,

Ethan.

From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> = On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A.
Sent: Monday, November 18, 2019 9:51 AM
To: Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com>; Black, David <= David.Black@dell.com>; Stewart Bryant <stewart.bryant@gmail.com> Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Detnet] DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF = 106 - Wed 15:20-16:50

 

As of today there are four of us, so the plan is to = meet at the IETF Registration desk Wed at 15:20 and find a place to sit, ad= hoc. If anyone else cares to join us, please do.

Thanks,

Ethan.

 

From: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2019 5:25 AM
To: detnet@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security@ietf.org
Cc: Alissa Cooper <alissa@co= operw.in>; kaduk@mit.edu; Alvaro Retana <aretana.ietf@gmail.com>; Mirja = K=FChlewind <ietf@kuehlewind..ne= t>; rt-dt-security@ietf.org; Ter= o Kivinen <kivinen@iki.fi>; Kat= hleen Moriarty <kath= leen.moriarty.ietf@gmail.com>; Tal Mizrahi <tal.mizrahi.phd@gmail.com= >; Black, David <David.Bl= ack@dell.com>; Deborah Brungard <db3546@att.com>
Subject: DetNet Security Considerations Meetup at IETF 106 - Wed 15:= 20-16:50

 

To: “DetNet Security Considerations” pot= entially interested parties

From: Ethan (as DetNet Security Considerations draft= editor)

 

We are now driving towards completion of the DetNet = Security Considerations draft, particularly since the DetNet data plane dra= fts refer to it, and we have now completed WG LC on 5 of those data plane d= rafts. Towards this end we will have a slot for a DetNet Security discussion at the DetNet session, and also in= advance of the session a side meeting to bring together ideas from any int= erested parties, such as yourself.

 

From my point of view, the key DetNet Security quest= ion currently is “Are there any considerations that are both DetNet-s= pecific (i.e. specific to time-sensitive networks) and DetNet-technology-sp= ecific (IP, MPLS, TSN)?”. At this point the draft has “placeholder” sections to address that question,= which basically say “there are none”. Are we comfortable publi= shing the draft with that stance?

 

We have established a time for the discussion, which= is to overlap Wednesday Afternoon session II:

 

15:20-16:50 Wednesday Afternoon (in ot= her words Session II =E0 Overlapped by DetNet Secur= ity Considerations Side Meeting).

 

The location has not been established – if you= have even the slightest inkling that you may want to attend this side meet= ing, please send me an email to that effect, and once we have the location = set, I will let y’all know. And of course if you have comments you are encouraged to send them to the list.

 

Thanks,

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                                         DetNet Agenda IETF106 (Singapore)
                                         Version: Nov 17, 2019
 
                                         Thursday, November 21, 2019 (+08)
                                         15:50-17:20    Thursday Afternoon session II
                                         17:40-18:40    Thursday Afternoon session III
                                         Collyer
 
                                 Slides:        https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/session/detnet
                                 Etherpad:        https://etherpad.ietf.org/p/notes-ietf-106-detnet
                                 Meetecho:        http://www.meetecho.com/ietf106/detnet/
                                 Audio stream:        http://mp3.conf.meetecho.com/ietf/ietf1062.m3u
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([2001:67c:370:128:34e7:1ccc:4263:cd87]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c13sm3108216pfi.0.2019.11.21.02.42.58 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 21 Nov 2019 02:42:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Sinicrope Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:42:57 +0800 Message-Id: <641A2A11-0BB2-4E1D-8D66-18C8E8124599@gmail.com> To: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] draft-geng-spring-srv6-for-detnet-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 10:43:06 -0000 Thanks very much for the presentation this afternoon. You noted a couple of times the there was function that was: A. Different from SRv6 function B. Different from DetNet function Could you summarize what these differences are for each and where they occur? Thanks! Dave From nobody Thu Nov 21 17:44:16 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A41812008F; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:44:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <157438704992.32312.3813265746296342712@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:44:10 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-ip-04.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:44:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane: IP Authors : Balázs Varga János Farkas Lou Berger Don Fedyk Andrew G. Malis Stewart Bryant Jouni Korhonen Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-ip-04.txt Pages : 23 Date : 2019-11-21 Abstract: This document specifies the Deterministic Networking data plane when operating in an IP packet switched network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-ip/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-ip-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-ip-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-ip-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 21 17:44:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A448120AE6; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:44:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <157438706133.32328.7229397602760176646@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:44:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-04.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:44:24 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane: IP over MPLS Authors : Balázs Varga János Farkas Lou Berger Don Fedyk Andrew G. Malis Stewart Bryant Jouni Korhonen Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-04.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2019-11-21 Abstract: This document specifies the Deterministic Networking data plane when operating in an IP over MPLS packet switched network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-mpls-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 21 17:44:50 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 137CB120C8C; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:44:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <157438708272.32304.498873988032023139@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:44:43 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-04.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:44:49 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane: MPLS Authors : Balázs Varga János Farkas Lou Berger Don Fedyk Andrew G. Malis Stewart Bryant Jouni Korhonen Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-04.txt Pages : 30 Date : 2019-11-21 Abstract: This document specifies the Deterministic Networking data plane when operating over an MPLS Packet Switched Networks. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-mpls/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 21 17:45:17 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E9FE120EC3; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:45:11 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.111.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <157438711128.32477.16677414277618082660@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:45:11 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip-04.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 01:45:14 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : DetNet Data Plane: MPLS over UDP/IP Authors : Balázs Varga János Farkas Lou Berger Andrew G. Malis Stewart Bryant Jouni Korhonen Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip-04.txt Pages : 8 Date : 2019-11-21 Abstract: This document specifies the MPLS Deterministic Networking data plane operation and encapsulation over an IP network. The approach is modeled on the operation of MPLS and over UDP/IP packet switched networks. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Thu Nov 21 18:49:26 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3100120882 for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:49:22 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W63-EKcUj-rz for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD17A12012A for ; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 18:49:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 3BC7F6F9DEE4E18D4574; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:49:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.49) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:49:16 +0000 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.98) by dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1713.5; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:49:14 +0800 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) by dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) with mapi id 15.01.1713.004; Fri, 22 Nov 2019 10:49:14 +0800 From: "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" To: David Sinicrope CC: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: [Detnet] draft-geng-spring-srv6-for-detnet-00 Thread-Index: AdWg3B8O4SUbGU8yTl+BT4AeU6AANQ== Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:49:14 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.52.41.56] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] draft-geng-spring-srv6-for-detnet-00 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2019 02:49:23 -0000 Hi David, Thank you for giving comments. Here are some responses: 1. Different from SRv6 function There are some functions that have already been defined in SRv6 Network Pr= ogramming (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-spring-srv6-network-prog= ramming-05 ). In this draft, we define some new functions to support DetNet= , e.g., Replication, Elimination; 2. Different from DetNet function I'm a little confused about this comment. Maybe you mean that why SRv6 base= d data plane is different from the current MPLS data plane, which includes = service sub-layer and forwarding sub-layer(Similar comment from Balaz). We = could find service sub-layer and forwarding sub-layer in MPLS data plane so= lution very easily just because we implement these two sub-layers with MPLS= label stack: s-label for service sub-layer and t-label for forwarding sub-= layer. In SRH, there is no label stack, so it is not easy to identify which= part is service sub-layer and which part is forwarding sub-layer. However,= based on the requirement of DetNet and the characters of SRv6, we try to m= ake the DetNet SRv6 data plane capable to support any DetNet function of se= rvice sub-layer and forwarding sub-layer, e.g., Service Protection, resourc= e allocation;=20 Best Regards Xuesong >[Detnet] draft-geng-spring-srv6-for-detnet-00 >Thanks very much for the presentation this afternoon.=20 >You noted a couple of times the there was function that was: >A. Different from SRv6 function >B. Different from DetNet function >Could you summarize what these differences are for each and where they occ= ur? >Thanks! >Dave _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Mon Nov 25 04:21:01 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CADB0120128; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 04:20:58 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uMkqwvyHrFss; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 45A77120115; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id i17so16923096qtq.1; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 04:20:55 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kO+604Zla//5+1fP441jYSoXquIgi77xQwdBcLcTvQc=; b=FO3FF1q2FtRhFvMjw6xWn3lFKhnwdkYT5iC1cRYvB33nXfgJ/4hrdU7h1ha+0eOO79 2jvGs87B0x1Kxr6ngiA7pHOzdNJ3FYSzByzTl4kVWKRXWxiTazdep9SE8PLkp5H1uiRS hAKQOYs7HOkgwf+Icw/25bm3jKuA3o8B4xDXfEO14ASqYugYtoINMLvDWUVOc9ImJ0SO i9aeJDC+YFP9/7FpRZtNoAVRUoLS2LKqeAVNr0/VKkr0u+6soYD3EEKWONQxXc+PKN2g 2FfdyKkRfWZfoi13l9zK8ljYfhs2YRz++Z2jYEvmHo6UnecHkHQZOeKkrBCXc3/15zAE YSFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=kO+604Zla//5+1fP441jYSoXquIgi77xQwdBcLcTvQc=; b=fiPYSVOHHjmu0YvWpWBo0dMH8tIX9L/4yQjKO8nChDuUNJN+GmKrUAouOt6ONkfXX1 SkSiGXm5P05QRHJ5suMNc3UUAfq+ZL1jquDjOhQQJ9lyr7A4ZM7awRXO2O3zesG3ZvgO tAFG++H3jURTNLBn/BBkiLfQdfm2+RGvOVM/b7fGGoVQKjjNwoAW5Mn0uaz+TFOlfjn5 98sqkcp2eS/RVljU8PnEHraU/8lvD7Hn5hJp/cm8IGwUTo3JVdZf3j6A1TXan0jln0rE zzLTZ0JpwEI8NkE2fVKrwSU1nb74AA9bTJNzQwI46vaaXX5XuXgOxyLokF5wfh/ZNGtn sMYA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAV7K1GZbe8du8ZCNrK736LTSAE/08n7+K2NsHyNdti8CpFuf1+p ZewrIMk9Edyz+uooXc1FmkdCzLHvM1KEmTbbj7gYOdH+ X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqw6V2+GPaxMembXaCksYtw59RKF606Z5C3xQ/Skn1YgsMvE7ftqIKbtSjmocZVrj6DqkGjjXiL/HPFQVrn9jE0= X-Received: by 2002:aed:3ac6:: with SMTP id o64mr24537758qte.219.1574684454135; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 04:20:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: "Andrew G. Malis" Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 07:20:43 -0500 Message-ID: To: DetNet Chairs Cc: detnet WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000085ad9905982acbb4" Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] WG adoption request for draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-02 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 12:20:59 -0000 --00000000000085ad9905982acbb4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" DetNet chairs, As discussed in Singapore, the authors of draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-02 believe that this draft is ready for WG adoption. All comments received to date have been incorporated. Thanks, Andy --00000000000085ad9905982acbb4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
DetNet chairs,

As discussed in Singapor= e, the authors of=C2=A0draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-02 bel= ieve that this draft is ready for WG adoption. All comments received to dat= e have been incorporated.

Thanks,
Andy

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Hi Balazs,

There is a malingering nit which I gather has = to be cleared before I can complete the Shepherd writeups:

 

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is = mentioned on line 174, but not defined

 

I suppose it is a cut/paste since also exists for MP= LS: 

 
=3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is men=
tioned on line 268, but not defined

 

And IP:

 

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network'=
 is mentioned on line 251, but not defined

 

Ethan.

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It does not = flag this.=20 I see https://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ says it is a warning. It is not really a conventional nit. What Idnits is finding is the text =93[Network]=94 in the figure text which is part of a diagram and = looking for a corresponding reference. =20 The Architecture RFC8655 has =93[network]=94 in a similar diagram. =20 It seems changing the text to a lower case =93[network]=94 in the detnet-ip-over-mpls draft removes the warning.=20 My guess is idnits will flag =93[=93 followed by any uppercase letter = and a closing =93]=94 as a reference.=20 =20 Are warnings like this OK ? or does it need to be changed?=20 =20 Thanks Don=20 =20 =20 From: detnet On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A. Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit =20 Hi Balazs,=20 There is a malingering nit which I gather has to be cleared before I can complete the Shepherd writeups:=20 =20 =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 174, but not = defined =20 I suppose it is a cut/paste since also exists for MPLS:=20 =20 =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 268, but not = defined =20 And IP:=20 =20 =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 251, but not = defined =20 Ethan. ------=_NextPart_000_011C_01D5A3BB.C05C8B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ethan

 

Interesting. =

We run idnits as part of the make = script for the drafts. It does not flag this.

I see =A0https://tools.ietf.org/tool= s/idnits/ says it is a warning.

=

It is not really a conventional nit. = =A0What Idnits is finding is the text =A0“[Network]” in the = figure text which is part of a diagram and looking for a corresponding = reference.=A0

The Architecture = RFC8655 has “[network]” in a similar diagram. = =A0

It seems changing the text to a = lower case “[network]” in the detnet-ip-over-mpls draft = removes the warning.

My guess is = idnits will flag “[“ followed by any uppercase letter and a = closing “]” as a reference.

 

Are warnings = like this OK ? or does it need to be changed?

 

Thanks

Don =

 

 

From: detnet = <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan = A.
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM
To: = Bal=E1zs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: = detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) = nit

 

Hi = Balazs,

There = is a malingering nit which I gather has to be cleared before I can = complete the Shepherd writeups:

 

  = =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 174, but not = defined

 

I suppose it = is a cut/paste since also exists for MPLS: 

 
=3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned =
on line 268, but not defined

 

And IP: =

 

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is =
mentioned on line 251, but not defined

 

Ethan.

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boundary="_000_BYAPR06MB43253B1134E4E2C67137FBD5C44A0BYAPR06MB4325namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dolby.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 3a5dea2d-d464-4b5d-8df6-08d771fdd015 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 25 Nov 2019 23:18:42.7033 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 05408d25-cd0d-40c8-8962-5462de64a318 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: CioC5YiQsrd/8s6pgJ6unfk1H/TPQsjx6NsXLTEPTjBwpvydo3PIDJH9qmGDpzWvNgJiqpcLeKGDfXAfSnHpwQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR06MB4440 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 23:18:47 -0000 --_000_BYAPR06MB43253B1134E4E2C67137FBD5C44A0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm, that is an odd one. Seems like we should get idnits fixed, but I don't= really know the appropriate answer for purposes of this discussion. Lou? Ethan. From: Don Fedyk Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:11 PM To: Grossman, Ethan A. ; 'Bal=E1zs Varga A' Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit Hi Ethan Interesting. We run idnits as part of the make script for the drafts. It does not flag t= his. I see https://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ says = it is a warning. It is not really a conventional nit. What Idnits is finding is the text "= [Network]" in the figure text which is part of a diagram and looking for a = corresponding reference. The Architecture RFC8655 has "[network]" in a similar diagram. It seems changing the text to a lower case "[network]" in the detnet-ip-ove= r-mpls draft removes the warning. My guess is idnits will flag "[" followed by any uppercase letter and a clo= sing "]" as a reference. Are warnings like this OK ? or does it need to be changed? Thanks Don From: detnet > On B= ehalf Of Grossman, Ethan A. Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A > Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit Hi Balazs, There is a malingering nit which I gather has to be cleared before I can co= mplete the Shepherd writeups: =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 174, but not def= ined I suppose it is a cut/paste since also exists for MPLS: =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 268, but not defin= ed And IP: =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 251, but not def= ined Ethan. --_000_BYAPR06MB43253B1134E4E2C67137FBD5C44A0BYAPR06MB4325namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hmm, that is an odd one. Seems like we should get id= nits fixed, but I don’t really know the appropriate answer for purpos= es of this discussion. Lou?

Ethan.

 

From: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:11 PM
To: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com>; 'Bal=E1zs Varga A' = <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit

 

Hi Ethan

 

Interesting.

We run idnits as part of the make script for the dra= fts. It does not flag this.

I see  https://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ says it is a warning.

 

It is not really a conventional nit.  What Idni= ts is finding is the text  “[Network]” in the figure text = which is part of a diagram and looking for a corresponding reference. 

The Architecture RFC8655 has “[network]”= in a similar diagram.  

It seems changing the text to a lower case “[n= etwork]” in the detnet-ip-over-mpls draft removes the warning.

My guess is idnits will flag “[“ followe= d by any uppercase letter and a closing “]” as a reference.

 

Are warnings like this OK ? or does it need to be ch= anged?

 

Thanks

Don

 

 

From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A.
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM
To: Bal=E1zs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit

 

Hi Balazs,

There is a malingering nit which I gather has = to be cleared before I can complete the Shepherd writeups:

 

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is = mentioned on line 174, but not defined

 

I suppose it is a cut/paste since also exists for MP= LS: 

 
=3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is men=
tioned on line 268, but not defined

 

And IP:

 

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network'=
 is mentioned on line 251, but not defined

 

Ethan.

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Seems like we should get idnits fixed, but I don't > really know the appropriate answer for purposes of this discussion. Lou? > Ethan. > > From: Don Fedyk > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:11 PM > To: Grossman, Ethan A. ; 'Balázs Varga A' > > Cc: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit > > Hi Ethan > > Interesting. > We run idnits as part of the make script for the drafts. It does not flag this. > I see > https://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ > says it is a warning. > > It is not really a conventional nit. What Idnits is finding is the text > "[Network]" in the figure text which is part of a diagram and looking for a > corresponding reference. > The Architecture RFC8655 has "[network]" in a similar diagram. > It seems changing the text to a lower case "[network]" in the > detnet-ip-over-mpls draft removes the warning. > My guess is idnits will flag "[" followed by any uppercase letter and a > closing "]" as a reference. > > Are warnings like this OK ? or does it need to be changed? > > Thanks > Don > > > From: detnet > On > Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A. > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM > To: Balázs Varga A > > > Cc: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit > > Hi Balazs, > There is a malingering nit which I gather has to be cleared before I can > complete the Shepherd writeups: > > == Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 174, but not defined > > I suppose it is a cut/paste since also exists for MPLS: > > > > == Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 268, but not defined > > And IP: > > > == Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 251, but not defined > > Ethan. > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > ------------16ea53bad0f5f5a277b8988155 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

It's fine and can/should be n= oted in the shepherd write-up.

On November 26, 2019 8:19:25 AM "Grossman, Ethan A." <= ;eagros@dolby.com> wrote:

Hmm, that is an odd one. Seems like we should get id= nits fixed, but I don’t really know the appropriate answer for purpos= es of this discussion. Lou?

Ethan.

 

From: Don Fedyk <dfedyk@labn.net>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:11 PM
To: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com>; 'Bal=C3=A1zs Varga = A' <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit

 

Hi Ethan

 

Interesting.

We run idnits as part of the make script for the dra= fts. It does not flag this.

I see  https://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ says it is a warning.

 

It is not really a conventional nit.  What Idni= ts is finding is the text  “[Network]” in the figure text = which is part of a diagram and looking for a corresponding reference. 

The Architecture RFC8655 has “[network]”= in a similar diagram.  

It seems changing the text to a lower case “[n= etwork]” in the detnet-ip-over-mpls draft removes the warning.

My guess is idnits will flag “[“ followe= d by any uppercase letter and a closing “]” as a reference.

 

Are warnings like this OK ? or does it need to be ch= anged?

 

Thanks

Don

 

 

From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A.
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit

 

Hi Balazs,

There is a malingering nit which I gather has = to be cleared before I can complete the Shepherd writeups:

 

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is = mentioned on line 174, but not defined

 

I suppose it is a cut/paste since also exists for MP= LS: 

 
=3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is men=
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And IP:

 

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Ethan.

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X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([21.243.193.248]) [172.58.27.129]:47416 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:57:44 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------------16ea56d43e85f5a277b7f9d6c5 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks! ---------- On November 26, 2019 10:47:41 AM "Grossman, Ethan A." wrote: > OK I noted it in the three writeups. > Ethan. > > From: Lou Berger > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 5:03 PM > To: Grossman, Ethan A. ; Don Fedyk > Cc: detnet@ietf.org; 'Balázs Varga A' > Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit > > > It's fine and can/should be noted in the shepherd write-up. > > ________________________________ > > On November 26, 2019 8:19:25 AM "Grossman, Ethan A." > > wrote: > Hmm, that is an odd one. Seems like we should get idnits fixed, but I don’t > really know the appropriate answer for purposes of this discussion. Lou? > Ethan. > > From: Don Fedyk > > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:11 PM > To: Grossman, Ethan A. >; 'Balázs > Varga A' > > Cc: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit > > Hi Ethan > > Interesting. > We run idnits as part of the make script for the drafts. It does not flag this. > I see > https://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ > says it is a warning. > > It is not really a conventional nit. What Idnits is finding is the text > “[Network]” in the figure text which is part of a diagram and looking for a > corresponding reference. > The Architecture RFC8655 has “[network]” in a similar diagram. > It seems changing the text to a lower case “[network]” in the > detnet-ip-over-mpls draft removes the warning. > My guess is idnits will flag “[“ followed by any uppercase letter and a > closing “]” as a reference. > > Are warnings like this OK ? or does it need to be changed? > > Thanks > Don > > > From: detnet > On > Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A. > Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM > To: Balázs Varga A > > > Cc: detnet@ietf.org > Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit > > Hi Balazs, > There is a malingering nit which I gather has to be cleared before I can > complete the Shepherd writeups: > > == Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 174, but not defined > > I suppose it is a cut/paste since also exists for MPLS: > > > > == Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 268, but not defined > > And IP: > > > == Missing Reference: 'Network' is mentioned on line 251, but not defined > > Ethan. > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > > > ---------- > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > ------------16ea56d43e85f5a277b7f9d6c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks!

On November 26, 2019 10:47:41 AM "Grossman, Ethan A." &l= t;eagros@dolby.com> wrote:

OK I noted it in the three writeups.

Ethan.

 

From: Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 5:03 PM
To: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagros@dolby.com>; Don Fedyk <dfedy= k@labn.net>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org; 'Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A' <balazs.a.varga@ericss= on.com>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit

 

It's fine and can/should be noted in the shephe= rd write-up.

On November 26, 2019 8:19:25 AM "Grossman, Ethan A." &= lt;eagros@dolby.com> wrote:=

Hmm, that is an odd one.= Seems like we should get idnits fixed, but I don=E2=80=99t really know the= appropriate answer for purposes of this discussion. Lou?

Ethan.=

 =

From: Don Fedyk <df= edyk@labn.net>
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 3:11 PM
To: Grossman, Ethan A. <eagro= s@dolby.com>; 'Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A' <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit

 =

Hi Ethan

 =

Interesting. =

We run idnits as part of= the make script for the drafts. It does not flag this.

I see  htt= ps://tools.ietf.org/tools/idnits/ says it is a warning.

 =

It is not really a conve= ntional nit.  What Idnits is finding is the text  =E2=80=9C[Netwo= rk]=E2=80=9D in the figure text which is part of a diagram and looking for = a corresponding reference. 

The Architecture RFC8655= has =E2=80=9C[network]=E2=80=9D in a similar diagram.  

It seems changing the te= xt to a lower case =E2=80=9C[network]=E2=80=9D in the detnet-ip-over-mpls d= raft removes the warning.

My guess is idnits will = flag =E2=80=9C[=E2=80=9C followed by any uppercase letter and a closing =E2= =80=9C]=E2=80=9D as a reference.

 =

Are warnings like this O= K ? or does it need to be changed?

 =

Thanks=

Don

 =

 =

From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Grossman, Ethan A.
Sent: Monday, November 25, 2019 4:47 PM
To: Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A <balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com>
Cc: detnet@ietf.org
Subject: [Detnet] detnet-ip-over-mpls (et al) nit<= /p>

 =

Hi Balazs,

There is a malingering nit which I gather has = to be cleared before I can complete the Shepherd writeups:

 =

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is = mentioned on line 174, but not defined

 =

I suppose it is a cut/pa= ste since also exists for MPLS: 

 
=3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network' is men=
tioned on line 268, but not defined

 =

And IP:

 = 

  =3D=3D Missing Reference: 'Network'=
 is mentioned on line 251, but not defined

 =

Ethan.=

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