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Malis" , Stewart Bryant From: Lou Berger Cc: DetNet WG Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 07:51:17 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1k2Yzz-002FRo-K7 X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:14805 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 10 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 11:51:26 -0000 [Note: 2 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. 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Malis" , Stewart Bryant Cc: DetNet WG From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <4905bc32-447a-6394-ff6a-b8a721b46826@labn.net> Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 07:51:11 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1k2Yzy-002FQD-Vu X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:14637 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 5 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 11:51:34 -0000 [Note: 1 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd) PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. 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Malis" , Stewart Bryant , Don Fedyk Cc: DetNet WG Message-ID: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 07:51:22 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1k2Z01-002FWf-Jx X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:14903 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 15 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Org: HG=bhcustomer;ORG=bluehost; X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 11:51:54 -0000 [Note: 3 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage until a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. Thank you, Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd) PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your response. 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Malis" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:18:08 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= , =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A1nos_Farkas?= , Stewart Bryant , DetNet WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000005d859505abfe0000" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 19:18:23 -0000 --0000000000005d859505abfe0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Lou, As an author, no, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Cheers, Andy On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Lou Berger wrote: > [Note: 1 of 3 related IP calls] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd) > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > > --0000000000005d859505abfe0000 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lou,

As an author, no, I'm not awar= e of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Lou Berger= <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
[Note: 1 of 3 rela= ted IP calls]

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of WG Last Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor
please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group= /iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd)

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.




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Malis" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:19:13 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= , =?UTF-8?Q?J=C3=A1nos_Farkas?= , Stewart Bryant , DetNet WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000038b0a305abfe046a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 19:19:30 -0000 --00000000000038b0a305abfe046a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Lou, As an author, no, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Cheers, Andy On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Lou Berger wrote: > [Note: 2 of 3 related IP calls] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd) > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > > --00000000000038b0a305abfe046a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lou,

As an author, no, I'm not awar= e of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Lou Berger= <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
[Note: 2 of 3 rela= ted IP calls]

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of WG Last Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor
please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group= /iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd)

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.




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Malis" Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:20:31 -0400 Message-ID: To: Lou Berger Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= , Janos Farkas , Stewart Bryant , Don Fedyk , DetNet WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e3312b05abfe0836" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 19:20:48 -0000 --000000000000e3312b05abfe0836 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Lou, As an author, no, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Cheers, Andy On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Lou Berger wrote: > [Note: 3 of 3 related IP calls] > > Authors, Contributors, WG, > > As part of WG Last Call: > > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? > > Please state either: > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" > > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? > > If yes to the above, please state either: > > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" > > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor > please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. > > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. > > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. > > Thank you, > Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd) > > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. > > > > > --000000000000e3312b05abfe0836 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Lou,

As an author, no, I'm not awar= e of any IPR that applies to this draft.

Cheers,
Andy


On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 7:51 AM Lou Berger= <lberger@labn.net> wrote:
[Note: 3 of 3 rela= ted IP calls]

Authors, Contributors, WG,

As part of WG Last Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above?

Please state either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules&quo= t;
or
"No, the IPR has not been disclosed"

If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor
please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next
stage until a response has been received from each author.

NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.

If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group= /iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty.

Thank you,
Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd)

PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.




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Malis'" , "'Stewart Bryant'" Cc: "'DetNet WG'" References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 15:38:11 -0400 Message-ID: <005901d669cd$a012b100$e0381300$@labn.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQKZmJN9qmGpB8S2n851WpXeS8vScKegaacw Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 173.48.105.206 X-Source-L: No X-Exim-ID: 1k2gHj-000dzq-NP X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: pool-173-48-105-206.bstnma.fios.verizon.net (FedykLabn) [173.48.105.206]:53521 X-Source-Auth: dfedyk@labn.net X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 19:38:32 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft Cheers Don From nobody Mon Aug 3 12:50:36 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C9503A10D3 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:50:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=nfinnconsulting.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 742oBDTVEUp6 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from us2-ob1-6.mailhostbox.com (us2-ob1-6.mailhostbox.com [208.91.199.212]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4F8003A10D0 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:50:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.6] (ip72-220-193-129.sd.sd.cox.net [72.220.193.129]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: nfinn@nfinnconsulting.com) by us2.outbound.mailhostbox.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F9D71820E7; Mon, 3 Aug 2020 19:50:26 +0000 (GMT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=nfinnconsulting.com; s=20161121; t=1596484228; bh=m5wDbRY5s5CZm3SOGJG2aXLtTFfHORZod7pRngs3uSo=; h=From:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:Cc:To:References; b=J4YNLPVuV+99VB7uYmiemM+nQ+pDzrrUA274a0TTINPlV+WM8zNuRODx37W64EVcy 9RTjhW7SrWfMpGGmjzxZAeIyZxaSgGz0Cjw8A8OHIhxqiP133IhWxv+QVh82hN4I/m Eb0s7CgIp3Iv0wVPfbfVLs7nTuGPUragwlJ8qWpE= From: Norman Finn Message-Id: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_09A9B4E8-A588-41A2-8AC1-B8AA80387B56" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.1\)) Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2020 12:50:25 -0700 In-Reply-To: Cc: =?utf-8?B?IkJhbMOhenMgQS4gVmFyZ2Ei?= , =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=A1nos_Farkas?= , "Andrew G. Malis" , Stewart Bryant , Don Fedyk , DetNet WG To: Lou Berger References: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=fMRHIqSe c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=ZroTAhzyX14UgCOAdtcGMw==:117 a=ZroTAhzyX14UgCOAdtcGMw==:17 a=c309fuS5OrV3TuQLdlEA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=dcpo_gdDK19ebCJ1ebEA:9 a=uyOtIQDWSTvz8OKh:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2020 19:50:34 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_09A9B4E8-A588-41A2-8AC1-B8AA80387B56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft =E2=80=94 Norm > On Aug 3, 2020, at 04:51, Lou Berger wrote: >=20 > [Note: 3 of 3 related IP calls] >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of WG Last Call: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules > (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think > appropriate. If you are listed as a document author or contributor = please answer the > above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are > aware of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next > stage until a response has been received from each author. >=20 > NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. >=20 > If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not = listed > as an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under > the IETF IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are > aware of IPR of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from > participating in any contribution or discussion related to your > undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the RFCs listed = above > and > http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd) >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your > response. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet --Apple-Mail=_09A9B4E8-A588-41A2-8AC1-B8AA80387B56 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 No, = I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft

=E2=80=94 Norm

On Aug = 3, 2020, at 04:51, Lou Berger <lberger@labn.net> wrote:

[Note:= 3 of 3 related IP calls]

Authors, = Contributors, WG,

As part of WG Last = Call:

Are you aware of any IPR that applies = to drafts identified above?

Please state = either:

"No, I'm not aware of any IPR that = applies to this draft"
or
"Yes, I'm aware of = IPR that applies to this draft"

If so, has = this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules
(see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)?

If yes to the above, please state either:

"Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance = with IETF IPR rules"
or
"No, the IPR has not = been disclosed"

If you answer no, please = provide any additional details you think
appropriate. If = you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the
above by responding to this email regardless of whether or = not you are
aware of any relevant IPR. This document will = not advance to the next
stage until a response has been = received from each author.

NOTE: THIS = APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES.
If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but = are not listed
as an author or contributor, we remind you = of your obligations under
the IETF IPR rules which = encourages you to notify the IETF if you are
aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from
participating in any contribution or discussion related to = your
undisclosed IPR. For more information, please see the = RFCs listed above
and
http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualPro= perty.

Thank you,
Lou = (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd)

PS = Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your
response.




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Malis" , Stewart Bryant CC: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-03 Thread-Index: AQHWaYx30wX7ddpddkmmyW2zx6WClakowOXw Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 01:45:25 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4905bc32-447a-6394-ff6a-b8a721b46826@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <4905bc32-447a-6394-ff6a-b8a721b46826@labn.net> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: labn.net; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;labn.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=dolby.com; x-originating-ip: [73.70.15.21] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1168457e-f1ca-421d-821b-08d838e139b0 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR06MB4629: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6790; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: tw4RSqm8WcgMSNNw2cUDZfBfhaKPea/v/H+qrwUIXC2iVcXtBfgAvhp10PdUpMYkVpfREUg98qci8fNLJF2wpyqvtMxfUnzj8fBv+5cI1b6OOiilzn1mFJqVYEkEBhAIa9v1wUHcGhtVZra16VuiUmU3xDiq3JGKLYCescvESZf7FCC5bXmZ6QQobbvYWS6+yLrDNuCMK7v8pVu84IVH9Tonugr0XVYH9//L2bd4Qnwko4tF4G0qs0uwAEfvgHEjGJQcxhKk+5B4RqPLFs41S2HhtdmLpTiF670om0iIplMfULdA6vCyfhnnQn9rfQI3xZBhzmph7/mkKF8P4TViLV2xM6RhCRW3JglZwj+fIYU/6abYUhhXD/tS7w27lkJio62XHvjkCkzDMHkxWiSvdA== x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:(366004)(346002)(396003)(39840400004)(376002)(136003)(33656002)(83380400001)(71200400001)(66476007)(64756008)(66556008)(8936002)(8676002)(76116006)(66446008)(2906002)(66946007)(9686003)(52536014)(186003)(478600001)(26005)(966005)(316002)(4326008)(110136005)(55016002)(53546011)(5660300002)(6506007)(7696005)(86362001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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 x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dolby.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1168457e-f1ca-421d-821b-08d838e139b0 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Aug 2020 01:45:25.8057 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 05408d25-cd0d-40c8-8962-5462de64a318 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: MMmsB/57xN1VFFhqlmefXyBxqPz3li+841TPIAXeVusHjd4IythDlUdEr09hiO7SKlvr+i1jKohgGJaeGRmP4g== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR06MB4629 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 01:45:31 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Ethan. -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 4:51 AM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A ; J=E1nos Farkas ; Andrew G. Malis ; Stewart Bryant Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-03 [Note: 1 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage un= til a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. 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Malis" , Stewart Bryant CC: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 Thread-Index: AQHWaYxvdnYt+M8jbUO5pVNd7XGnjqkowTUw Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 01:45:59 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: labn.net; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;labn.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=dolby.com; x-originating-ip: [73.70.15.21] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 17a473bd-6aec-43fc-b6e7-08d838e14de7 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR06MB4629: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6790; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: qxFkSwP5SN8hDBX9siMqHo0hYNDa/HlUI8RLVG8KhBg9xPE+f1hdnSWW3etDemmya2MEqfRJLLDB8Na1VgN6L7b98HW1Y8S8cNti3o97c4mbxeeJNdt5RTXnVTj8+u37yRHC/rTffVyiRjcbpYdfeLWIRafvV1frR+PT3KUsxNp69MO34Wg1W3kJ6IDqhG4+hqOTenWuKpNb3fF84iRH7bBwe8N0P+X1YZ9nNu+H7a/32Z4Uks0eUDYukJ3/j9XvHA7xYX7jmfnBMrzSYAbvpWvou7TXVocB71K/IzFuXng/F5337WQymmzxy0wPtnAWJaWjuucQztetUEXkxSMkBOCCMCV/vPhNvztZDmdoNE8l77qec7d6AUlvy+b9Df6HblAtlHvmakFQ9T8MmRq7zQ== x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:(366004)(346002)(396003)(39840400004)(376002)(136003)(33656002)(83380400001)(71200400001)(66476007)(64756008)(66556008)(8936002)(8676002)(76116006)(66446008)(2906002)(66946007)(9686003)(52536014)(186003)(478600001)(26005)(966005)(316002)(4326008)(110136005)(55016002)(53546011)(5660300002)(6506007)(7696005)(86362001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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 x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dolby.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 17a473bd-6aec-43fc-b6e7-08d838e14de7 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Aug 2020 01:45:59.7230 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 05408d25-cd0d-40c8-8962-5462de64a318 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: v0cgQmIPJ+5/mY77DBHJJV/uKm/xiKoD6LCTn55V1QmCnRW55H39SKkhtwPlvqviDXxuZX3N8jnvOUqkAsOAZw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR06MB4629 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 01:46:04 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Ethan. -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 4:51 AM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A ; J=E1nos Farkas ; Andrew G. Malis ; Stewart Bryant Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 [Note: 2 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage un= til a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. 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To: Lou Berger , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bal=E1zs_Varga_A?= , Janos Farkas , "Andrew G. Malis" , Stewart Bryant , Don Fedyk CC: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 Thread-Index: AQHWaYyBRjtLB+65+067iRSO15YYT6kowUhw Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2020 01:46:15 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: labn.net; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;labn.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=dolby.com; x-originating-ip: [73.70.15.21] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 1517c4c1-47ff-49ab-ac10-08d838e1575b x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: BYAPR06MB4629: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:6790; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: KN6a6Ffp4IZEfLsr1VVNa6Nr5HIbwE9S3T/8+ItQycUoCdxDb+C2nf02pk+Azbqc3mYT5SBfv7vAwjhgpXwn1tLQqSE+BwlQ9OK4UwVOgyXpOrwok2lk80T/CGZP5tPtXbXqkVbbBIMeZbH0EZjR83PCecsKjXU6YxnE0ygS6dOu0BfWlylpHK/+XB+N+i6G4Usv1UX+6mzMhbe7KIGd8eIk/GNVIjDpj3wXKDCLgtQNGVGeyXVLOILOwm4AtVs2T4mGNbO0VocOChbABD2cPQXE8NdGiW2FisYWT+G4jpFcG8yHqGp4zHPCN/N86WteQRa1EEmhhVCiGsWS1b5/QeWOJZ7pTpqIV5ae+OJc8e8wjgzIQuC02amsBdKemTvKVqllXloztYog7GVTkNdM3Q== x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFTY:; SFS:(366004)(346002)(396003)(39840400004)(376002)(136003)(33656002)(83380400001)(71200400001)(66476007)(64756008)(66556008)(8936002)(8676002)(76116006)(66446008)(2906002)(66946007)(9686003)(52536014)(186003)(478600001)(26005)(966005)(316002)(4326008)(110136005)(55016002)(53546011)(5660300002)(6506007)(7696005)(86362001); DIR:OUT; SFP:1102; x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: 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 x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: dolby.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 1517c4c1-47ff-49ab-ac10-08d838e1575b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 05 Aug 2020 01:46:15.6153 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 05408d25-cd0d-40c8-8962-5462de64a318 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: IQwVf6UpjIiK9IApR8rimivt5ODYTivFUzh/u5HFi6mT5yfBBBHGxONPy0ySJw6wV1ylHkfZ0rzaPXZR5jEHMw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: BYAPR06MB4629 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 01:46:18 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Ethan. -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 4:51 AM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A ; Janos Farkas ; Andrew G. Malis ; Stewart Bryant ; Don Fedyk Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 [Note: 3 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage un= til a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. 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It is less problematic > as a term, and no less accurate. >=20 > Although "man-in-the-middle" is well established, I think you could > easily avoid it and if you feel necessary you could use "An on-path > attacker (formerly known as a man-in-the-middle) ..." I sort of understand why you want to change MITM, although given that the ma= n you have in mind is evil I am not sure whether it is that objectionable in= this context. However I am not sure on-path is the right term. MITM normall= y implies an entity that can modify traffic in flight, whereas an on path at= tacker may simply be an observer. Maybe AITM (attacker ....) would be a better gender neutral term. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: MN2PR15MB3103.namprd15.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 6ad7d5ce-efb4-48f3-6af6-08d83a095c32 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Aug 2020 13:05:14.7620 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: CLWfeFaURwp995lxni+wDysRKOAA9KraH+5igIYgvfma+u2hWgSv2zZQ8m/sW+ZEVLr4ehAfq2rwgVyiolOteQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR15MB3040 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 13:05:25 -0000 Stewart, Actually, in addition to the many things that are strange about this entir= e conversation, your observation about the "thing in the middle" (I mean, l= et's face it, the "entity" in the middle - EITM? - has been gender-neutral = for a long time, given that any human participation in the role could be de= tected by an idiot) being necessarily _active_ is not quite correct. It seems to me to be quite reasonable that the middle position could as ea= sily be used to passively collect information for use in other activities -= including a few fairly well known attacks. -- Eric -----Original Message----- From: rtg-dir On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:52 AM To: Adrian Farrel Cc: draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; detnet@ietf.= org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detne= t-security-10 > --- >=20 > It would be nice to avoid the term "man-in-the-middle" (and=20 > coresponding > "MITM") in favour of the term "on-path attacker". It is less=20 > problematic as a term, and no less accurate. >=20 > Although "man-in-the-middle" is well established, I think you could=20 > easily avoid it and if you feel necessary you could use "An on-path=20 > attacker (formerly known as a man-in-the-middle) ..." I sort of understand why you want to change MITM, although given that the m= an you have in mind is evil I am not sure whether it is that objectionable = in this context. However I am not sure on-path is the right term. MITM norm= ally implies an entity that can modify traffic in flight, whereas an on pat= h attacker may simply be an observer. Maybe AITM (attacker ....) would be a better gender neutral term. 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I = assume the protection of the general network using the normal techniques = is a given. Passively looking at the contents is about privacy and technical = surveillance to intervene more effectively. Privacy obviously applies to a general network, and I take it as read = that we protect against this. However this document is about DN, and I = cannot see what the privacy concerns are about the DN specifics. - Stewart > On 6 Aug 2020, at 14:05, Eric Gray wrote: >=20 > Stewart, >=20 > Actually, in addition to the many things that are strange about = this entire conversation, your observation about the "thing in the = middle" (I mean, let's face it, the "entity" in the middle - EITM? - has = been gender-neutral for a long time, given that any human participation = in the role could be detected by an idiot) being necessarily _active_ is = not quite correct. >=20 > It seems to me to be quite reasonable that the middle position = could as easily be used to passively collect information for use in = other activities - including a few fairly well known attacks. >=20 > -- > Eric >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: rtg-dir On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:52 AM > To: Adrian Farrel > Cc: draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; = detnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of = draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 >=20 >=20 >> --- >>=20 >> It would be nice to avoid the term "man-in-the-middle" (and=20 >> coresponding >> "MITM") in favour of the term "on-path attacker". It is less=20 >> problematic as a term, and no less accurate. >>=20 >> Although "man-in-the-middle" is well established, I think you could=20= >> easily avoid it and if you feel necessary you could use "An on-path=20= >> attacker (formerly known as a man-in-the-middle) ..." >=20 > I sort of understand why you want to change MITM, although given that = the man you have in mind is evil I am not sure whether it is that = objectionable in this context. However I am not sure on-path is the = right term. MITM normally implies an entity that can modify traffic in = flight, whereas an on path attacker may simply be an observer. >=20 > Maybe AITM (attacker ....) would be a better gender neutral term. >=20 > Stewart >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Aug 6 11:16:13 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CA373A0D90; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 11:16:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.102 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ericsson.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0ubkh9sjFoL5; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: MN2PR15MB3103.namprd15.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: e66bdd49-e775-4312-637e-08d83a34c98b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Aug 2020 18:16:06.5491 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: pe9DmeSLET6M2gTQbZtAD2MLN+twQchiQ7eZJ5myqTACx27p03x38DwHoTXhOVql5xALZ8lSscoWjERPoZeoeA== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MN2PR15MB2606 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] [RTG-DIR] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 18:16:12 -0000 Stewart, I am going to assume that you mean "DetNet" when you refer to "DN" (maybe = I'm wrong?). I am not certain that your "active attacker" assumption is correct even in= this limited case, but you were responding on the subject of "gender neutr= ality" and whether or not it is appropriate to use "MITM" (presumably in ge= neral). That topic is no longer in the realm of "DetNet specific." So your respon= se should probably not be written (or read) as if it were. In your own words, however, one reason for passive listening is "technical= surveillance to intervene more effectively" - which would seem to apply to= DetNet at least as much as to anything else. This is not necessarily a generic privacy concern, as a passive MITM could= be waiting for some specific activity (or activities) to occur in what wou= ld clearly be a "special class" of communications (such as DetNet would be)= . As I implied in a separate discussion, a MITM active attacker is rather ea= sy to detect and deal with - unless it targets a specific subset of users o= r applications in unpredictable ways. If it remains passive, the only way = to detect it is from information leakage that would otherwise be unexplaina= ble. If a malicious actor has other ways to perpetrate an attack, a passive MIT= M could be used to select targets, or select timing, and otherwise remain u= ndetected over a long period of time. Presumably, DetNet traffic is self-announced "important" traffic. If this= does not increase its vulnerability to active or passive MITM hazards, the= n it would be good to be assured of that. -- Eric -- Eric -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Bryant =20 Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 1:13 PM To: Eric Gray Cc: Stewart Bryant ; Adrian Farrel ; draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org; detnet@= ietf.org Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detne= t-security-10 Importance: High We are talking about the threats in DN.=20 I think we should be focusing on the things that are special to DN which is= a technology that adds certain properties to a general network. I assume t= he protection of the general network using the normal techniques is a given= . Passively looking at the contents is about privacy and technical surveillan= ce to intervene more effectively. Privacy obviously applies to a general network, and I take it as read that = we protect against this. However this document is about DN, and I cannot se= e what the privacy concerns are about the DN specifics. - Stewart > On 6 Aug 2020, at 14:05, Eric Gray wrote: >=20 > Stewart, >=20 > Actually, in addition to the many things that are strange about this ent= ire conversation, your observation about the "thing in the middle" (I mean,= let's face it, the "entity" in the middle - EITM? - has been gender-neutra= l for a long time, given that any human participation in the role could be = detected by an idiot) being necessarily _active_ is not quite correct. >=20 > It seems to me to be quite reasonable that the middle position could as = easily be used to passively collect information for use in other activities= - including a few fairly well known attacks. >=20 > -- > Eric >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: rtg-dir On Behalf Of Stewart Bryant > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 8:52 AM > To: Adrian Farrel > Cc: draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; rtg-dir@ietf.org;=20 > detnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [RTG-DIR] [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of=20 > draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 >=20 >=20 >> --- >>=20 >> It would be nice to avoid the term "man-in-the-middle" (and=20 >> coresponding >> "MITM") in favour of the term "on-path attacker". It is less=20 >> problematic as a term, and no less accurate. >>=20 >> Although "man-in-the-middle" is well established, I think you could=20 >> easily avoid it and if you feel necessary you could use "An on-path=20 >> attacker (formerly known as a man-in-the-middle) ..." >=20 > I sort of understand why you want to change MITM, although given that the= man you have in mind is evil I am not sure whether it is that objectionabl= e in this context. However I am not sure on-path is the right term. MITM no= rmally implies an entity that can modify traffic in flight, whereas an on p= ath attacker may simply be an observer. >=20 > Maybe AITM (attacker ....) would be a better gender neutral term. >=20 > Stewart >=20 >=20 From nobody Thu Aug 6 23:18:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 864193A043A for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 23:18:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.099 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.099 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id evCMZ0Tq1hz1 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wm1-x330.google.com (mail-wm1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 677E73A0433 for ; Thu, 6 Aug 2020 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-wm1-x330.google.com with SMTP id t14so734537wmi.3 for ; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 23:18:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to :date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=6S1IZlt2kQ4U4JDFJxDqYsYIHWFqD2y0IoJOQdzHuVM=; b=tmG6XxERKfs4oT/s+XfIJEI43D5JzHvypE48fV8MK0yWcxYWUufEQCrK3MosOae/k5 zw3d45OfJdnPk+PKbL4kRFZCxjMlIaVhzvn/YCjd3kM/Wt7i78rRsBe1RTFXg7XZSmD1 amfVcfh+MTXPtRVNNBQrTqwdf02opOJmI952TaTrMzSCb20T8mHb2yrB8yiZE8K/c+p1 6LRKcDQFhBlj9AYqqxv4uXCsrlLBZBiEcYexugDz9jdLJH7SDh/zHll9/mF40nV8DNKY 6Me2sZtXPp+Do+NGX+SYcA3VGy9IffmXKhYwkKWzd8XbEiYLBxEEnpCnHPZ5oScPWnIq 0SGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=6S1IZlt2kQ4U4JDFJxDqYsYIHWFqD2y0IoJOQdzHuVM=; b=a9mAK0r6dC0Tu2wZbyGESWfDWOa7b7gzufN1AjBd/eEKunmnPrdF7EQAS8PoumO7YF UWu0sFwaeI6ylFkj/+0nNwHubueSN2uhXqO4U3tKNv3+gZ2dwdc1DLmyti9YJKrvH87p hRJxuMNVPA+iruDN41ONaltt7I9UjKKhWYWd2Qpt/JEnm6OBrlN9Ymy/HpVKo3E1MA+7 L3oBtrqE+QsdkV4KB2tPrU2H635VmFukiWvf6qQEbFp2J5L2szaU3R+k6BFt50fdf9rU elgxvjhr7LGSrABD5G71e3/tbvLoz1XJMrtfzf437g2XBgg4uMN/YoaoHEFhuo2rj9oy rg6g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM530UPPyDhPKcmxCS+a2ha2G0IMA5P6+2FdCkOPibAoScnoVjirMZ 3NMpHsvqmTNJykQtpJMCd5A= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwFCmxyJlWanUBQs8Udlj7EUypUvmV1qU5AxKrHzgbjKJkq1DipQtPRW2KHi/yWGkTJ9k//3Q== X-Received: by 2002:a1c:f204:: with SMTP id s4mr11745343wmc.9.1596781110779; Thu, 06 Aug 2020 23:18:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.178.27] ([62.3.64.16]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 130sm8869847wme.26.2020.08.06.23.18.29 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 06 Aug 2020 23:18:29 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Stewart Bryant In-Reply-To: <4905bc32-447a-6394-ff6a-b8a721b46826@labn.net> Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 07:18:28 +0100 Cc: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= , =?utf-8?Q?J=C3=A1nos_Farkas?= , "Andrew G. Malis" , DetNet WG Message-Id: <53ABFF86-40C6-452F-A606-62588AD7B5C6@gmail.com> References: <4905bc32-447a-6394-ff6a-b8a721b46826@labn.net> To: Lou Berger X-Mailer: iPad Mail (17F80) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-ip-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 06:18:34 -0000 Sent from my iPad : > > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" Stewart From nobody Fri Aug 7 10:10:34 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E9E43A0D1E; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:10:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.895 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.895 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Soq7d2Ic8PH0; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:10:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mta6.iomartmail.com (mta6.iomartmail.com [62.128.193.156]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 928D53A0CE5; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 10:10:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (vs2.iomartmail.com [10.12.10.123]) by mta6.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 077HAQRY026233; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:10:26 +0100 Received: from vs2.iomartmail.com (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by IMSVA (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBACB22048; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from asmtp2.iomartmail.com (unknown [10.12.10.249]) by vs2.iomartmail.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B635222050; Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:10:25 +0100 (BST) Received: from LAPTOPK7AS653V ([84.51.134.26]) (authenticated bits=0) by asmtp2.iomartmail.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id 077HANMQ025776 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:10:25 +0100 Reply-To: From: "Adrian Farrel" To: "'Stewart Bryant'" Cc: , , References: <159618704596.337.11731016034191108207@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2020 18:10:22 +0100 Organization: Old Dog Consulting Message-ID: <015c01d66cdd$a3d4c1d0$eb7e4570$@olddog.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 16.0 Thread-Index: AQGCdWQxKrYa/p1Ba0bGy/YlLOCBxgGz9aCQqccuFOA= Content-Language: en-gb X-Originating-IP: 84.51.134.26 X-Thinkmail-Auth: adrian@olddog.co.uk X-TM-AS-GCONF: 00 X-TM-AS-Product-Ver: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.0.1013-25590.001 X-TM-AS-Result: No--12.617-10.0-31-10 X-imss-scan-details: No--12.617-10.0-31-10 X-TMASE-Version: IMSVA-9.0.0.1623-8.2.1013-25590.001 X-TMASE-Result: 10--12.617300-10.000000 X-TMASE-MatchedRID: +f/wAVSGjuiWfDtBOz4q23FPUrVDm6jtAamcV4T1THKnRvssirgAK0eq pHxJHwIREn8iFKM3i+yloCYfBDnps1yYD+e8/Tt9gq+cWtkrZSEPDxHKtFPenAg2kgWdt3qa9Vl GBjCDnciASgF9Ye4nATbwcejvg09UdUjvP9Y3R6DM1jffIgQXhq1ZGUKR0YgsN4F660hFicnS7l 9oY/zO1DsXdJxSdw7HPDCfAql9pCZkM/tzIvvHzxlJRfzNw8afTJDl9FKHbrkrxUs8Nw/2fs4yY pGyhQEu+WwY2xkyfqgAqYXAeIy++bi4ZnD4WFBXx3W4Ij8bGCqnDUTKscqejpsoi2XrUn/JjcFm PipjlBsMyrfP9j+C1d934/rDAK3zhG2qikEpQGWVjThQ0bwDB/iWrri8TewOnKj4NBKpA3qiduX Ep51ObPsZIkP8qlW2 X-TMASE-SNAP-Result: 1.821001.0001-0-1-12:0,22:0,33:0,34:0-0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Aug 2020 17:10:32 -0000 I can't decide whether to get into this or not =F0=9F=98=8A My review said, "It would be nice to avoid," not, "You must avoid." The review is principally for the AD, and they will tell you whether you = need to action this. I made a constructive suggestion of an alternative phrase, but you are = allowed to choose others. The thing about the term "man-in-the-middle" is not that it is directly = making a specific man appear evil, it is that it associates the word = "man" with the concept "evil" and therefore subtly changes the long-term = perception of "man". There is, in fact, nothing about this type of = attack that is specific to a man, and not all attackers are men, nor are = all men attackers. This is a minor issue for me, and (to some extent) I wanted to = experiment with draft-knodel-terminology to see what reaction it would = get if the changes it suggests were made as a request rather than as an = order. Cheers, Adrian -----Original Message----- From: Stewart Bryant =20 Sent: 06 August 2020 13:52 To: Adrian Farrel Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; = detnet@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of = draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 > --- >=20 > It would be nice to avoid the term "man-in-the-middle" (and = coresponding > "MITM") in favour of the term "on-path attacker". It is less = problematic > as a term, and no less accurate. >=20 > Although "man-in-the-middle" is well established, I think you could > easily avoid it and if you feel necessary you could use "An on-path > attacker (formerly known as a man-in-the-middle) ..." I sort of understand why you want to change MITM, although given that = the man you have in mind is evil I am not sure whether it is that = objectionable in this context. However I am not sure on-path is the = right term. MITM normally implies an entity that can modify traffic in = flight, whereas an on path attacker may simply be an observer. Maybe AITM (attacker ....) would be a better gender neutral term. 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Dear Lou and Janos,
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Greg (on behalf of the authors)
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Malis" , Stewart Bryant CC: DetNet WG Thread-Topic: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 Thread-Index: AQHWaYxw/2VgD56MhkaH1clpAY9IaKkxxdug Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 19:29:01 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: labn.net; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;labn.net; dmarc=none action=none header.from=ericsson.com; x-originating-ip: [2a02:ab88:36c1:cb00:d47f:c5cf:54b6:5f94] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 190bc904-cb9f-4a90-9f3c-08d83d63a2e6 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: AM6PR07MB4727: x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:5236; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:; IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:AM7PR07MB6994.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE; SFS:(4636009)(346002)(376002)(396003)(136003)(366004)(39860400002)(2906002)(8676002)(86362001)(66476007)(52536014)(66446008)(66556008)(66946007)(76116006)(83380400001)(64756008)(478600001)(5660300002)(8936002)(7696005)(71200400001)(9686003)(55016002)(4326008)(53546011)(6506007)(33656002)(316002)(966005)(186003)(110136005); DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: ericsson.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: AM7PR07MB6994.eurprd07.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 190bc904-cb9f-4a90-9f3c-08d83d63a2e6 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 10 Aug 2020 19:29:01.6377 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 92e84ceb-fbfd-47ab-be52-080c6b87953f X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: ZgSG1/FGWYYSP4WFGGZyFT9ZWEmHyKXeE9cSyWoYCSk2FFoAY+sOepz1hA2lK5lA3HfKSeinbwyjCMEk24B66c5QecUlBrZSJogu06yGa70= X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: AM6PR07MB4727 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2020 19:29:11 -0000 No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. Regards, Janos -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:51 PM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A ; Janos Farkas ; Andrew G. Malis ; Stewart Bryant Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 [Note: 2 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage un= til a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. 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Regards, Janos -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:51 PM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A ; Janos Farkas ; Andrew G. Malis ; Stewart Bryant ; Don Fedyk Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 [Note: 3 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage un= til a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. 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Cheers, Bala'zs -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of Lou Berger Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:51 PM To: Bal=E1zs Varga A ; Janos Farkas ; Andrew G. Malis ; Stewart Bryant ; Don Fedyk Cc: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 [Note: 3 of 3 related IP calls] Authors, Contributors, WG, As part of WG Last Call: Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? Please state either: "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" or "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules (see R= FCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? If yes to the above, please state either: "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" or "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think appropria= te. If you are listed as a document author or contributor please answer the= above by responding to this email regardless of whether or not you are awa= re of any relevant IPR. This document will not advance to the next stage un= til a response has been received from each author. NOTE: THIS APPLIES TO ALL OF YOU LISTED IN THIS MESSAGE'S TO LINES. If you are on the WG email list or attend WG meetings but are not listed as= an author or contributor, we remind you of your obligations under the IETF= IPR rules which encourages you to notify the IETF if you are aware of IPR = of others on an IETF contribution, or to refrain from participating in any = contribution or discussion related to your undisclosed IPR. For more inform= ation, please see the RFCs listed above and http://trac.tools.ietf.org/grou= p/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. 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Malis" , Don Fedyk , DetNet WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:34:34 -0000 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D - Stewart > On 13 Aug 2020, at 08:49, Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A = wrote: >=20 > No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft. > Cheers, > Bala'zs >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: detnet On Behalf Of Lou Berger > Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 1:51 PM > To: Bal=C3=A1zs Varga A ; Janos Farkas = ; Andrew G. Malis ; = Stewart Bryant ; Don Fedyk > Cc: DetNet WG > Subject: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on = draft-ietf-detnet-tsn-vpn-over-mpls-03 >=20 > [Note: 3 of 3 related IP calls] >=20 > Authors, Contributors, WG, >=20 > As part of WG Last Call: >=20 > Are you aware of any IPR that applies to drafts identified above? >=20 > Please state either: >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft" > or > "Yes, I'm aware of IPR that applies to this draft" >=20 > If so, has this IPR been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules = (see RFCs 3669, 5378 and 8179 for more details)? >=20 > If yes to the above, please state either: >=20 > "Yes, the IPR has been disclosed in compliance with IETF IPR rules" > or > "No, the IPR has not been disclosed" >=20 > If you answer no, please provide any additional details you think = appropriate. 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For more information, please see the RFCs listed above = and = http://trac.tools.ietf.org/group/iesg/trac/wiki/IntellectualProperty. >=20 > Thank you, > Lou (DetNet Co-Chair & doc Shepherd) >=20 > PS Please include all listed in the headers of this message in your = response. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Thu Aug 13 16:21:07 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9B13A0A94; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:20:56 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.897 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.897 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQRAuegMIjny; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx0a-00191d01.pphosted.com (mx0b-00191d01.pphosted.com [67.231.157.136]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AABC23A0A79; Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:20:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from pps.filterd (m0083689.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by m0083689.ppops.net-00191d01. 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Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends September 4. Regards, Janos and Lou --_000_VI1PR0701MB7007A5664B865610B455E1E3F2400VI1PR0701MB7007_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

This is start of a three week poll on making

draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group docume= nt. Please

send email to the list indicating "yes/support&= quot; or "no/do not

support".  If indicating no, please state = your reservations with the

document.  If yes, please also feel free to pro= vide comments you'd

like to see addressed once the document is a WG docu= ment.

 

The poll ends September 4.

 

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Janos and Lou

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X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 and AD comments X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:19:00 -0000 Ethan Why not ask the =E2=80=9Cusual suspects" to a call and we will go though = the issues one by one and parcel out text assignments? Stewart > On 14 Aug 2020, at 17:36, Grossman, Ethan A. wrote: >=20 > Hi Adrian, Deborah, WG,=20 > Today (as editor of the Security draft) I am attempting to address = Adrian's review comments. Reading through them, several of them are = basically out of my depth, and I'm not sure how I would fill in the = requested details, for example questions along the line of "you can't = just say "the appropriate [measures]" you have to tell them what to do". >=20 > Is there any chance anyone on this thread who has more domain = knowledge than I do could spend a little time with me to give me some = concrete clues as to what could be said to address some of these items? = I can do the wordsmithing, and even some background reading, but it = would be extremely helpful to get a well-informed shove in the right = direction.=20 >=20 > My strategy today is to first address the nits and other = straightforward items, and then as I attempt the others I will send out = emails to the WG proposing as much text as I can conjure up, and it = would be great if I got any responses. But if anyone has time for an = impromptu webconf session to review the items en masse that would be = appreciated; I can set that up on the spot.=20 >=20 > Thanks, > Your faithful servant, > Ethan. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: BRUNGARD, DEBORAH A =20 > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2020 4:21 PM > To: adrian@olddog.co.uk; 'Stewart Bryant' > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; = detnet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of = draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 and AD comments >=20 > Hi, >=20 > Much thanks Adrian for your review! >=20 > Without getting into the debate on the term itself, I don't think MITM = is concise enough. In RFC3552, MITM is just one of multiple active = attack possibilities. Same for Injector, it also is an active attack. = It's not simply MITM vs. injector. Stewart is correct - on-path can be = an observer (passive). I think we need to define per RFC3552, not the = Network Time Protocol threat model. It would be better to align with = the security terms and use on-path /off-path vs. internal/external. I = think this is part of the confusion as the definition of internal in the = document is mixing with the definition of MITM in RFC3552. >=20 > The checked items in Figure 1 are not MITM (they could be done by a = MITM), they are basically message modification (RFC3552). So I'm = actually not sure the value of this breakdown of MITM vs. Injector? = These terms are only used in 5.1 and Figure 1, they are not used in the = rest of the document. Suggest it would be more accurate to simply say = "active" (document already has the term in 5.1) and remove these = terms/breakdown in Figure 1. Same for internal/external, they are not = used in the rest of the document. >=20 > Section 5.1 has the terms "active" and "passive" but doesn't define = them. Need to define. >=20 > The document is very comprehensive - congrats to the authors and the = working group! With the couple of fixes to sort out the definitions in = Section 5, it will be ready for the super scrutiny during Last Call/Sec = ADs=F0=9F=98=8A >=20 > Thanks, > Deborah > (recovering after a week without power) >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Adrian Farrel =20 > Sent: Friday, August 7, 2020 1:10 PM > To: 'Stewart Bryant' =20 > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; = detnet@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of = draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 >=20 > I can't decide whether to get into this or not =F0=9F=98=8A >=20 > My review said, "It would be nice to avoid," not, "You must avoid." > The review is principally for the AD, and they will tell you whether = you need to action this. > I made a constructive suggestion of an alternative phrase, but you are = allowed to choose others. >=20 > The thing about the term "man-in-the-middle" is not that it is = directly making a specific man appear evil, it is that it associates the = word "man" with the concept "evil" and therefore subtly changes the = long-term perception of "man". There is, in fact, nothing about this = type of attack that is specific to a man, and not all attackers are men, = nor are all men attackers. >=20 > This is a minor issue for me, and (to some extent) I wanted to = experiment with draft-knodel-terminology to see what reaction it would = get if the changes it suggests were made as a request rather than as an = order. >=20 > Cheers, > Adrian >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Stewart Bryant =20 > Sent: 06 August 2020 13:52 > To: Adrian Farrel > Cc: rtg-dir@ietf.org; draft-ietf-detnet-security.all@ietf.org; = detnet@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Detnet] Rtgdir last call review of = draft-ietf-detnet-security-10 >=20 >=20 >> --- >>=20 >> It would be nice to avoid the term "man-in-the-middle" (and = coresponding >> "MITM") in favour of the term "on-path attacker". It is less = problematic >> as a term, and no less accurate. >>=20 >> Although "man-in-the-middle" is well established, I think you could >> easily avoid it and if you feel necessary you could use "An on-path >> attacker (formerly known as a man-in-the-middle) ..." >=20 > I sort of understand why you want to change MITM, although given that = the man you have in mind is evil I am not sure whether it is that = objectionable in this context. However I am not sure on-path is the = right term. MITM normally implies an entity that can modify traffic in = flight, whereas an on path attacker may simply be an observer. >=20 > Maybe AITM (attacker ....) would be a better gender neutral term. >=20 > Stewart >=20 >=20 From nobody Fri Aug 14 10:52:16 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0ABDA3A1050; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:52:06 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dolby.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l3WSa3PlPB3Z; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAM11-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-co1nam11on2095.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.220.95]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA62A3A1036; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 10:52:03 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=E7CYw/SoBP0ICCwRD3kV7xIQUmIkWSUuWrStkdHJd85v9uSHodsqXhEfI0QEDMr0Z/TLkyXQQIqZzvNnXlzB2OXPWmsn5o4uqMhj8M4bxYoIhuWFlMZgBpki7kRw425NYmGgg1VdaGgulaePW1UnjOAoYxFIQct5MDeegr64MBzzRLEre8nS/Ky0uNlYPttWsoIKbx8oMy71CzDM94TE0jRf/G8z6fQaONkksdSdLafyxbEyadIkoktG93D+IYaT0Wihk5T1YKumlht8cQVI3URnTXxvclWa0P/fr2KgMnVyKreI5hJAywFM+LPAy0Rlx/nKhmUmyEnwrpAKch1udg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=JDnryVotkIH65KZpIjNNbGkNAdCU8YMARUt4y1yfATs=; b=OE+5fmuIjHL2t8KUx8oSWWOqgDJLUQnMKyyOvIDFB2wdxr2jHLlmvtIuWI7OBguRYQag4gQ093cQwyEUb9YC7wgCf1MH2A0l4xM+TRvRmbrVtSipJfaidudScCVFEK3DSBLaefvUJAMUrjubTuTDeJHeVQJCpYyozneX2z+eHRfeT7cp8JPxPtxEE5a47UzgfeC1XD/xRwLi34eqXYsxrV6qFL0Jo/qxfsEc09uU5cqf9DlHPIjsty0sz9+FRrJzHvHSNgjRYENJ5ONaugvrZuCzuNUWA4KPQLa9H9UHElFErNDK8PzPP9h1XTMDqtCoSQSYEYJPQ14KEkSvif5J2g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=dolby.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=dolby.com; dkim=pass header.d=dolby.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dolby.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=JDnryVotkIH65KZpIjNNbGkNAdCU8YMARUt4y1yfATs=; b=pB0GRFMfYkcbmHCLGswRd4arYNyo9KeCtN4H9emMQDEDqUJiX8ytUynGPSG7A9vMyid8u//oIObAu65SRmJ23NdWMXwqv0KCzaTYEyEFfIRDcLx8h+o1uSQnJO0z8DbdiCOPGvsOFPfCfhWuEEVEyB3vey5d/mnpXZrECzU7xqE= Received: from BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:23d::20) by BYAPR06MB5896.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:152::11) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3283.16; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:51:57 +0000 Received: from BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::59d0:9610:aeb8:ca84]) by BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::59d0:9610:aeb8:ca84%4]) with mapi id 15.20.3283.018; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 17:51:57 +0000 From: "Grossman, Ethan A." 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internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.14.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <159746077906.4260.5617972590705797968@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:06:19 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-11.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 03:06:19 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Security Considerations Authors : Tal Mizrahi Ethan Grossman Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-security-11.txt Pages : 46 Date : 2020-08-14 Abstract: A DetNet (deterministic network) provides specific performance guarantees to its data flows, such as extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. As a result, securing a DetNet requires that in addition to the best practice security measures taken for any mission-critical network, additional security measures may be needed to secure the intended operation of these novel service properties. This document addresses DetNet-specific security considerations from the perspectives of both the DetNet system-level designer and component designer. System considerations include a threat model, taxonomy of relevant attacks, and associations of threats versus use cases and service properties. Component-level considerations include ingress filtering and packet arrival time violation detection. This document also addresses DetNet security considerations specific to the IP and MPLS data plane technologies thereby complementing the Security Considerations sections of the various DetNet Data Plane (and other) DetNet documents. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-security/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-detnet-security-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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There remain 23 comments= that I deferred for the next pass, to be completed with help from "the usu= al suspects" as Stewart said. I think this draft 11 makes a better starting= place for that work compared to going from draft 10.=20 I will send the two lists (comments completed in draft 11 (below), and thos= e deferred to draft 12) via separate emails.=20 As always, any WG input on any of the comments (complete or deferred) would= be appreciated.=20 Thanks, Ethan (as Editor, DetNet Security Considerations draft) -----Original Message----- From: detnet On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.or= g Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 8:06 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: detnet@ietf.org Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-security-11.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Deterministic Networking WG of the IETF. Title : Deterministic Networking (DetNet) Security Consid= erations Authors : Tal Mizrahi Ethan Grossman Filename : draft-ietf-detnet-security-11.txt Pages : 46 Date : 2020-08-14 Abstract: A DetNet (deterministic network) provides specific performance guarantees to its data flows, such as extremely low data loss rates and bounded latency. As a result, securing a DetNet requires that in addition to the best practice security measures taken for any mission-critical network, additional security measures may be needed to secure the intended operation of these novel service properties. This document addresses DetNet-specific security considerations from the perspectives of both the DetNet system-level designer and component designer. System considerations include a threat model, taxonomy of relevant attacks, and associations of threats versus use cases and service properties. Component-level considerations include ingress filtering and packet arrival time violation detection. This document also addresses DetNet security considerations specific to the IP and MPLS data plane technologies thereby complementing the Security Considerations sections of the various DetNet Data Plane (and other) DetNet documents. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-security/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-11 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-detnet-security-11 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-detnet-security-11 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ _______________________________________________ detnet mailing list detnet@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet From nobody Fri Aug 14 20:34:20 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CBAF3A1535 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:34:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.101 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=dolby.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IVc7msUYvo4O for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:34:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from NAM10-DM6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (mail-dm6nam10on2139.outbound.protection.outlook.com [40.107.93.139]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AC6C93A0C64 for ; Fri, 14 Aug 2020 20:34:14 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none; b=IEglQdy9HmslbVn7ozdnHzYlLTpLGHk9jKFqo39PTvc90yeMH0hipcpO5obNf31MnHJF5hNfEEWQMm1mBzaNnm9A8wqMl2SAT1PGyEY/oMWKbmJLLl+ZKjLwAtD87CPDzw1vwhqWRZU7eDL5uxiigEginYMSGB7glndD4Awfw0sa0icsOazg6/NtSPLHn/tnGmkIrw8RAAYr4bmZQ66hy4dEc/lqAhPuD99/SM2HbjBqQGxh93OMTS5Dtv//Oq4Y84wsVyTe2WxEXN4u1ELIuAAYa4xpgPGPnyahH0AkvuZGNRHU47/RVTnqEURIyisxH6abYdhFc/BHuwM6FTWucA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; s=arcselector9901; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=+2cts6UZ0x3j/sq46Pc8x3sXEkUuqQ6VjLv9zSzt1sI=; b=IpoA78KG1CHBEo2u4hTB3RX6VRskRS29MSVeX9heLQTLfr3EwohOij53YslUX2FUZ4LtqvnuqOc2YXTQOGZs57/I7N17QHF3zUOP1+0iABk8XlPaWUGFAof/5gn/fxZmAk+PXSXrnXeJ/9l2NagQLaoyXuDvAO1xExUS+8/S31snKKCefukZ/EzrVOoTx2AMng3wkirJPn04yA9ltPLYkYDLgCjjbnB5eshVNXWnWaK6TMxR6FQwxDd/KPARdEvFpimalsoji/88yUEY8YqnsYELB2VnbGeaXWtJUZuDiQsgC/+83Qtipj5Il9XzvhbhfL08OeVou9Jk58nJpC6vvg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=dolby.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=dolby.com; dkim=pass header.d=dolby.com; arc=none DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dolby.com; s=selector1; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=+2cts6UZ0x3j/sq46Pc8x3sXEkUuqQ6VjLv9zSzt1sI=; b=L5cBafGUgTmDB9IvOnO4K3O0jDJmUFiWoP2wiovlR1PDS6hqFMtJqSOkptc/bf0UGL1GBXwSuTc0SmmK3boNvg9486fyUzo+G72ZUciAfdEnVDWsibElHzFCkgwMaYcVoo870UTJ58PcYjhppGuIeHU1heiQ0MyDTQaT9jkBCLY= Received: from BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:23d::20) by BYAPR06MB5992.namprd06.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:a03:15c::29) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.3283.20; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 03:34:09 +0000 Received: from BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::59d0:9610:aeb8:ca84]) by BY5PR06MB6611.namprd06.prod.outlook.com ([fe80::59d0:9610:aeb8:ca84%4]) with mapi id 15.20.3283.018; Sat, 15 Aug 2020 03:34:09 +0000 From: "Grossman, Ethan A." 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Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB7E23A0D01; Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:34:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.14.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: detnet@ietf.org Message-ID: <159759207357.26988.11972457568174631069@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 08:34:33 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] I-D Action: draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-11.txt X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2020 15:34:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts 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The draft is on the Informational track as the authors don't see the need to define any new mechanism for OAM in DetNet over IP. Regards, Greg On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:50 AM Janos Farkas wrote: > Hi, > > > > This is start of a three week poll on making > > draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group document. Please > > send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > > > The poll ends September 4. > > > > Regards, > > Janos and Lou > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > --0000000000003f7c3c05ad06ad1e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Janos, Lou, et al.,
yes/support adoption as the co-= author of the draft.
The draft is on the Informational track as t= he authors don't see the need to define any new mechanism for OAM in De= tNet over IP.

Regards,
Greg
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On Fri,= Aug 14, 2020 at 8:50 AM Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:=

Hi,

=C2=A0

This is start of a three week poll on making =

draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group docume= nt. Please

send email to the list indicating "yes/support&= quot; or "no/do not

support".=C2=A0 If indicating no, please state = your reservations with the

document.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to pro= vide comments you'd

like to see addressed once the document is a WG docu= ment.

=C2=A0

The poll ends September 4.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Janos and Lou

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Yes, I support making this a WG draft.

= Cheers,
Andy


On Sun, Aug 16, 2020 at 7:04 PM = Greg Mirsky <gregimirsky@gmail.= com> wrote:
Hi Janos, Lou, et al.,
yes/support adoption as the = co-author of the draft.
The draft is on the Informational track a= s the authors don't see the need to define any new mechanism for OAM in= DetNet over IP.

Regards,
Greg

On F= ri, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:50 AM Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas=3D40ericsson.com@dmarc.ie= tf.org> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

This is start of a three week poll on making =

draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group docume= nt. Please

send email to the list indicating "yes/support&= quot; or "no/do not

support".=C2=A0 If indicating no, please state = your reservations with the

document.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to pro= vide comments you'd

like to see addressed once the document is a WG docu= ment.

=C2=A0

The poll ends September 4.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Janos and Lou

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One more comment: In the next version, I think some explanations about the = relationship between OAM drafts (including draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-oam-01) a= nd DetNet controller plane framework draft should be considered. Best Regards Xuesong From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Janos Farkas Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 11:50 PM To: DetNet WG Subject: [Detnet] WG adoption poll on draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 Hi, This is start of a three week poll on making draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group document. Please send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. The poll ends September 4. Regards, Janos and Lou --_000_52d926ebef9b442eb8fac3a35520e2a0huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Yes, support!

One more comment: In = the next version, I think some explanations about the relationship between = OAM drafts (including draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-oam-01) and DetNet controller plane framework draft should be considered.

 

Best Regards

Xuesong

 

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Janos Farkas
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 11:50 PM
To: DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: [Detnet] WG adoption poll on draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03<= o:p>

 

Hi,

 

This is start of a three week p= oll on making

draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a= working group document. Please

send email to the list indicati= ng "yes/support" or "no/do not

support".  If indicat= ing no, please state your reservations with the

document.  If yes, please = also feel free to provide comments you'd

like to see addressed once the = document is a WG document.

 

The poll ends September 4.=

 

Regards,

Janos and Lou=

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I agree that the explanation of relationships among three drafts will help readers. Will discuss that with authors of the draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework and draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-oam. Regards, Greg On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 7:01 PM Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) < gengxuesong@huawei.com> wrote: > Yes, support! > > One more comment: In the next version, I think some explanations about the > relationship between OAM drafts (including draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-oam-01) > and DetNet controller plane framework draft should be considered. > > > > Best Regards > > Xuesong > > > > *From:* detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Janos > Farkas > *Sent:* Friday, August 14, 2020 11:50 PM > *To:* DetNet WG > *Subject:* [Detnet] WG adoption poll on draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 > > > > Hi, > > > > This is start of a three week poll on making > > draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group document. 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Hi Geng Xuesong,
thank you for your kind consideration= of the draft and thoughtful suggestion. I agree that the explanation of re= lationships=C2=A0among three drafts will help readers. Will discuss that wi= th authors of the draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework and draft-i= etf-detnet-mpls-oam.

Regards,
Greg
=

= On Tue, Aug 18, 2020 at 7:01 PM Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com> wrote:

Yes, support!<= u>

One more comme= nt: In the next version, I think some explanations about the relationship b= etween OAM drafts (including draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-oam-01) and DetNet controller plane framework draft should be considered. <= u>

=C2=A0<= u>

Best Regards

Xuesong=

=C2=A0

From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Janos Farkas
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2020 11:50 PM
To: DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: [Detnet] WG adoption poll on draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03<= u>

=C2=A0

Hi,

=C2=A0

This is start of a three week p= oll on making

draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a= working group document. Please

send email to the list indicati= ng "yes/support" or "no/do not

support".=C2=A0 If indicat= ing no, please state your reservations with the

document.=C2=A0 If yes, please = also feel free to provide comments you'd

like to see addressed once the = document is a WG document.

=C2=A0

The poll ends September 4.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Janos and Lou

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Thread-Topic: DetNet YANG Model Discussion-0824 Thread-Index: AdZ6GRe84N9rLseUTwCzlA8nyrdOJg== Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:20:01 +0000 Message-ID: <07b711eefcdf4d74a65df5e57e9e3bc9@huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.242.209] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_07b711eefcdf4d74a65df5e57e9e3bc9huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] DetNet YANG Model Discussion-0824 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2020 13:20:11 -0000 --_000_07b711eefcdf4d74a65df5e57e9e3bc9huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ks_c_5601-1987" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 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Hi W= G,

 

Here= is the summary for the DetNet YANG Model discussion of today.

As p= resented in IETF 108, there are some remaining work for DetNet YANG Model:<= o:p>

1= .   &= nbsp;   Aggregation Label<= /o:p>

-=    &n= bsp;      Don has proposed an agg= regation grouping that could be used in service sub-layer to parse the aggr= egated flow (MPLS case);

-=    &n= bsp;      How to do the aggregati= on (map individual flows into an aggregation flow) should be further discus= sed;

2= .   &= nbsp;   Yanglint instance examp= les

-=    &n= bsp;      Some work has been done= before IETF 108;

-=    &n= bsp;      More examples will be c= overed for different scenarios/different types of nodes/different types of = aggregation

3= .   &= nbsp;   ID Nits.

-=    &n= bsp;      Check the document in I= D Nits every time after the modification

4= .   &= nbsp;   Terminology Reviewing

-=    &n= bsp;      E.g., =A1=B0proxy=A1=B1=

-=    &n= bsp;      Baseline document: DetN= et Data Plane Framework

Next= week, we will go on the discussion especially about topic 1 and topic 2.

Ther= e will be YANG model call meeting every Monday. Welcome to join us!

 

Best= Regards

Xues= ong

--_000_07b711eefcdf4d74a65df5e57e9e3bc9huaweicom_-- From nobody Tue Aug 25 00:53:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E10443A0B63; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:53:15 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.01 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.01 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ewXdE-Axw3Bp; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A23623A0B60; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 00:53:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml731-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.106]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 467346A97D53B38EFEF0; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:53:10 +0100 (IST) Received: from dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) by lhreml731-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.82) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 08:53:09 +0100 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.98) by dggeme751-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:53:06 +0800 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) by dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Tue, 25 Aug 2020 15:53:07 +0800 From: "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" To: DetNet WG CC: 'DetNet Chairs' , "draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org" , Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04 Thread-Index: AdZ6tHxduf1nF15tQsaw64kleWwTiA== Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:53:07 +0000 Message-ID: <17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726@huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.242.209] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2020 07:53:16 -0000 --_000_17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi WG, After some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start= a thread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-de= tnet-controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from = WG chairs will also be very helpful. Background information could be found in the end of the email[*]. Here are some topics that to be discussed: 1. In IETF 108, a question about "M" is raised: in OAM, "M" represent= s "Maintenance", but in this document, all the contents about OAM are discu= ssed in a section 5 named "management plane"; This may bring confusion abou= t the terminologies; 2. In section 5, DetNet OAM is briefly discussed by dividing it into = two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM for CFM; while there are two documents in W= G covering the same topic: DetNet MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relations= hip between these documents should be considered; 3. The motivation of DetNet controller plane framework is to analysis= the gap between the existing technologies in IETF and DetNet controller pl= ane requirement, and give guidance for further protocol extension or new pr= otocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whether this = part in the document is still necessary. Best Regards Xuesong --- [*]:Here are some background information: - WG charter: Controller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "th= e aggregation of the Control and Management Planes"; - RFC 8655 Deterministic Networking Architecture 4.4.2. The Controller Plane The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and measurement. When the logical separation of the Control, Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the term "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent them all, and the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any device operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distributed control protocol. The CPF is a core element of a controller, in charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Network Plane. - RFC 7426 Software-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architec= ture Terminology 3.4. Management Plane The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure that the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with the network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference. Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on an overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric. However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention. Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include: o Fault and monitoring management o Configuration management - RFC 7276 An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OA= M) Tools Abstract Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general term that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and for performance measurement. --_000_17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi W= G,

 

Afte= r some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start a t= hread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-detnet= -controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from WG chairs will also be very helpful.<= /o:p>

Back= ground information could be found in the end of the email[*].

Here= are some topics that to be discussed:

1= .   &= nbsp;   In IETF 108, a question= about “M” is raised: in OAM, “M” represents “= ;Maintenance”, but in this document, all the contents about OAM are d= iscussed in a section 5 named “management plane”; This may brin= g confusion about the terminologies;

2= .   &= nbsp;   In section 5, DetNet OA= M is briefly discussed by dividing it into two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM = for CFM; while there are two documents in WG covering the same topic: DetNe= t MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relationship between these documents should be considered;

3= .   &= nbsp;   The motivation of DetNe= t controller plane framework is to analysis the gap between the existing te= chnologies in IETF and DetNet controller plane requirement, and give guidan= ce for further protocol extension or new protocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whe= ther this part in the document is still necessary.

 

Best= Regards

Xues= ong

 

---<= o:p>

[*]:= Here are some background information:

-=    &n= bsp;      WG charter:

Cont= roller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "t= he aggregation of the Control and Management Planes";

-=    &n= bsp;      RFC 8655  Deter= ministic Networking Architecture

4.4.= 2.  The Controller Plane

&nbs= p;  The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control=

&nbs= p;  and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and=

&nbs= p;  Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group

&nbs= p;  [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and

&nbs= p;  measurement.  When the logical separation of the Control,

&nbs= p;  Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the te= rm

&nbs= p;  "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent t= hem all, and

&nbs= p;  the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any= device

&nbs= p;  operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element<= o:p>

&nbs= p;  (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distribut= ed

&nbs= p;  control protocol.  The CPF is a core element of a controller,= in

&nbs= p;  charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Netwo= rk

&nbs= p;  Plane.

-=    &n= bsp;      RFC 7426  Softw= are-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architecture Terminology

<= /a>3.4.  Management Plane

&nbs= p;  The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure tha= t

&nbs= p;  the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with = the

&nbs= p;  network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane

&nbs= p;  Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference.=

&nbs= p;  Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on= an

&nbs= p;  overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric.

&nbs= p;  However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention.=

&nbs= p;  Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include:

&nbs= p;  o  Fault and monitoring management

&nbs= p;  o  Configuration management

- &n= bsp;RFC 7276  An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Mainte= nance (OAM) Tools

Abst= ract

&nbs= p;  Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general ter= m

&nbs= p;  that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and fo= r

&nbs= p;  performance measurement.

 

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text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Some views/comments. Regarding item 1 and 2: I think OAM is only a portion of the Management plane. As for now, we may s= imple refer to the "detnet-x-oam" drafts to avoid confusions. Just some Management plane related tasks/functions/modules we should cover = in the document in my view: - administration/collection of DetNet (DN) service requests - administration/collection of node/network states (variables, counters, et= c.) needed for providing a DN service - tools to design/optimize a DN service (selecting functions to create the = service e2e, across the network) - configuration of nodes for a DN service (e2e, across the network) - monitoring tools for the e2e DN service - etc. All this tasks/functions/modules already exists today but may need some ext= ensions due to the special requirements/characteristics of DetNet flows. Regarding item 3: I think the "Management plane" part of the document is needed and it should= show how the above listed functionalities are challenged by DetNet, where extension of current= solutions is needed. For example, we may compare the Management plane differences of legacy VPN serv= ices and DetNet service. Just as an example, we need node internal min/max delay between ingress and= egress port pairs in order to design proper queuing control. This is not relevant for non-Det= Net flows, so a new information element is needed. However, it may be collected using already e= xisting management plane methods ... Cheers Bala'zs From: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:53 AM To: DetNet WG Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' ; draft-malis-detnet-controller= -plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson Subject: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-= 04 Hi WG, After some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start= a thread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-de= tnet-controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from = WG chairs will also be very helpful. Background information could be found in the end of the email[*]. Here are some topics that to be discussed: 1. In IETF 108, a question about "M" is raised: in OAM, "M" represents= "Maintenance", but in this document, all the contents about OAM are discus= sed in a section 5 named "management plane"; This may bring confusion about= the terminologies; 2. In section 5, DetNet OAM is briefly discussed by dividing it into t= wo aspects: OAM for PM and OAM for CFM; while there are two documents in WG= covering the same topic: DetNet MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relationsh= ip between these documents should be considered; 3. The motivation of DetNet controller plane framework is to analysis = the gap between the existing technologies in IETF and DetNet controller pla= ne requirement, and give guidance for further protocol extension or new pro= tocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whether this p= art in the document is still necessary. Best Regards Xuesong --- [*]:Here are some background information: - WG charter: Controller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "th= e aggregation of the Control and Management Planes"; - RFC 8655 Deterministic Networking Architecture 4.4.2. The Controller Plane The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and measurement. When the logical separation of the Control, Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the term "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent them all, and the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any device operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distributed control protocol. The CPF is a core element of a controller, in charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Network Plane. - RFC 7426 Software-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architect= ure Terminology 3.4. Management Plane The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure that the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with the network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference. Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on an overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric. However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention. Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include: o Fault and monitoring management o Configuration management - RFC 7276 An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OA= M) Tools Abstract Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general term that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and for performance measurement. --_000_AM0PR0702MB3603EC6E947DAADF37ED8845AC540AM0PR0702MB3603_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 

Some views/comments= .

 

Regarding item 1= and 2:

I think OAM is only= a portion of the Management plane. As for now, we may simple refer to the

“detnet-x-oam= ” drafts to avoid confusions.

Just some Managemen= t plane related tasks/functions/modules we should cover in the document

in my view:

- administration/co= llection of DetNet (DN) service requests

- administration/co= llection of node/network states (variables, counters, etc.) needed for prov= iding a DN service

- tools to design/o= ptimize a DN service (selecting functions to create the service e2e, across= the network)

- configuration of = nodes for a DN service (e2e, across the network)

- monitoring tools = for the e2e DN service

- etc.

All this tasks/func= tions/modules already exists today but may need some extensions due to the = special

requirements/charac= teristics of DetNet flows.

 

Regarding item 3= :

I think the “= Management plane” part of the document is needed and it should show h= ow the above

listed functionalit= ies are challenged by DetNet, where extension of current solutions is neede= d. For

example, we may com= pare the Management plane differences of legacy VPN services and DetNet

service.

Just as an example,= we need node internal min/max delay between ingress and egress port pairs

in order to design = proper queuing control. This is not relevant for non-DetNet flows, so a new

information element= is needed. However, it may be collected using already existing management

plane methods ̷= 0;

 

Cheers

Bala’zs<= /o:p>

 

 

From: = Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:53 AM
To: DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-malis-detn= et-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Subject: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-fra= mework-04

 =

Hi WG,

 

After some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I w= ould like to start a thread in the ML to discuss about the management plane= of draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from WG chairs will also be very helpful= .

Background information could be found in the end of the e= mail[*].

Here are some topics that to be discussed:

1.      I= n IETF 108, a question about “M” is raised: in OAM, “M= 221; represents “Maintenance”, but in this document, all the co= ntents about OAM are discussed in a section 5 named “management plane= ”; This may bring confusion about the terminologies;

2.      I= n section 5, DetNet OAM is briefly discussed by dividing it into two aspect= s: OAM for PM and OAM for CFM; while there are two documents in WG covering= the same topic: DetNet MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relationship between these documents should be consider= ed;

3.      T= he motivation of DetNet controller plane framework is to analysis the gap b= etween the existing technologies in IETF and DetNet controller plane requir= ement, and give guidance for further protocol extension or new protocol design. If there have been management p= lane solutions, whether this part in the document is still necessary.<= /o:p>

 

Best Regards

Xuesong

 

---

[*]:Here are some background information:

-Controller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined = in RFC 8655 as "the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes&q= uot;;

-4.4.2.  The Controller Plane

   The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggr= egation of the Control

   and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though C= ommon Control and

   Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the= CCAMP Working Group

   [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction bet= ween management and

   measurement.  When the logical separati= on of the Control,

   Measurement, and other Management entities i= s not relevant, the term

   "Controller Plane" is used for sim= plicity to represent them all, and

   the term "Controller Plane Function (CP= F)" refers to any device

   operating in that plane, whether it is a Pat= h Computation Element

   (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity= (NME), or a distributed

   control protocol.  The CPF is a core el= ement of a controller, in

   charge of computing deterministic paths to b= e applied in the Network

   Plane.

-<= /a>3.4.  Management Plane

   The management plane is usually centralized = and aims to ensure that

   the network as a whole is running optimally = by communicating with the

   network devices' operational plane using a M= anagement-Plane

   Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a po= int of reference.

   Management-plane functionalities are typical= ly initiated, based on an

   overall network view, and traditionally have= been human-centric.

   However, lately, algorithms are replacing mo= st human intervention.

   Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include:

   o  Fault and monitoring management=

   o  Configuration management<= /span>

-  RFC 7276  An Overview of Operations, Admi= nistration, and Maintenance (OAM) Tools

Abstract

   Operations, Administration, and Maintenance = (OAM) is a general term

   that refers to a toolset for fault detection= and isolation, and for

   performance measurement.

 

--_000_AM0PR0702MB3603EC6E947DAADF37ED8845AC540AM0PR0702MB3603_-- From nobody Wed Aug 26 20:07:08 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51AA03A0C9E; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:07:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qNwDDfjz4EBj; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 13C363A0C9A; Wed, 26 Aug 2020 20:07:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml732-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 41519B38A2822C62BD89; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 04:07:03 +0100 (IST) Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.98) by lhreml732-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.83) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 04:07:02 +0100 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.98) by dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.98) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:07:00 +0800 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) by dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 11:07:00 +0800 From: "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Bal=E1zs_Varga_A?= , DetNet WG CC: 'DetNet Chairs' , "draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org" , Loa Andersson Thread-Topic: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04 Thread-Index: AdZ6tHxduf1nF15tQsaw64kleWwTiABCOYBQABeYQrA= Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 03:07:00 +0000 Message-ID: <6ac0f64c390f4fa0befa5bd84f01126d@huawei.com> References: <17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726@huawei.com> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.242.209] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_6ac0f64c390f4fa0befa5bd84f01126dhuaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 03:07:07 -0000 --_000_6ac0f64c390f4fa0befa5bd84f01126dhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bala'zs Thanks for providing your thoughts! Please find my comments inline. Best Regards Xuesong From: Bal=E1zs Varga A [mailto:balazs.a.varga@ericsson.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:16 AM To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) ; DetNet WG Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' ; draft-malis-detnet-controller= -plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson Subject: RE: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framew= ork-04 Hi, Some views/comments. Regarding item 1 and 2: I think OAM is only a portion of the Management plane. As for now, we may s= imple refer to the "detnet-x-oam" drafts to avoid confusions. Just some Management plane related tasks/functions/modules we should cover = in the document in my view: - administration/collection of DetNet (DN) service requests - administration/collection of node/network states (variables, counters, et= c.) needed for providing a DN service - tools to design/optimize a DN service (selecting functions to create the = service e2e, across the network) - configuration of nodes for a DN service (e2e, across the network) - monitoring tools for the e2e DN service - etc. All this tasks/functions/modules already exists today but may need some ext= ensions due to the special requirements/characteristics of DetNet flows. [Xuesong] All these functions seem very interesting and useful to me, espec= ially when we consider how to deploy DetNet in a real network. Only one con= cern is about whether these topics are supposed to be discussed in IETF, wh= ich I think is highly related to implementation. Regarding item 3: I think the "Management plane" part of the document is needed and it should= show how the above listed functionalities are challenged by DetNet, where extension of current= solutions is needed. For example, we may compare the Management plane differences of legacy VPN serv= ices and DetNet service. Just as an example, we need node internal min/max delay between ingress and= egress port pairs in order to design proper queuing control. This is not relevant for non-Det= Net flows, so a new information element is needed. However, it may be collected using already e= xisting management plane methods ... [Xuesong] Good point! I think we could consider to add some descriptions in= the following versions. Cheers Bala'zs From: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) > Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:53 AM To: DetNet WG > Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' >= ; draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson > Subject: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-= 04 Hi WG, After some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start= a thread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-de= tnet-controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from = WG chairs will also be very helpful. Background information could be found in the end of the email[*]. Here are some topics that to be discussed: 1. In IETF 108, a question about "M" is raised: in OAM, "M" represent= s "Maintenance", but in this document, all the contents about OAM are discu= ssed in a section 5 named "management plane"; This may bring confusion abou= t the terminologies; 2. In section 5, DetNet OAM is briefly discussed by dividing it into = two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM for CFM; while there are two documents in W= G covering the same topic: DetNet MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relations= hip between these documents should be considered; 3. The motivation of DetNet controller plane framework is to analysis= the gap between the existing technologies in IETF and DetNet controller pl= ane requirement, and give guidance for further protocol extension or new pr= otocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whether this = part in the document is still necessary. Best Regards Xuesong --- [*]:Here are some background information: - WG charter: Controller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "th= e aggregation of the Control and Management Planes"; - RFC 8655 Deterministic Networking Architecture 4.4.2. The Controller Plane The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and measurement. When the logical separation of the Control, Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the term "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent them all, and the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any device operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distributed control protocol. The CPF is a core element of a controller, in charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Network Plane. - RFC 7426 Software-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architec= ture Terminology 3.4. Management Plane The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure that the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with the network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference. Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on an overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric. However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention. Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include: o Fault and monitoring management o Configuration management - RFC 7276 An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OA= M) Tools Abstract Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general term that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and for performance measurement. --_000_6ac0f64c390f4fa0befa5bd84f01126dhuaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Bala’zs

 

Thanks for providing your thoughts! Pl= ease find my comments inline.

 

Best Regards

Xuesong

&n= bsp;

From: Bal=E1zs Varga A [mailto:balazs.a.varga@erics= son.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2020 12:16 AM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com>; DetNe= t WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-malis-detn= et-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Subject: RE: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane= -framework-04

 

Hi,<= o:p>

 

Some= views/comments.

 

R= egarding item 1 and 2:

I th= ink OAM is only a portion of the Management plane. As for now, we may simpl= e refer to the

R= 20;detnet-x-oam” drafts to avoid confusions.

Just= some Management plane related tasks/functions/modules we should cover in t= he document

in m= y view:

- ad= ministration/collection of DetNet (DN) service requests

- ad= ministration/collection of node/network states (variables, counters, etc.) = needed for providing a DN service

- to= ols to design/optimize a DN service (selecting functions to create the serv= ice e2e, across the network)

- co= nfiguration of nodes for a DN service (e2e, across the network)<= /span>

- mo= nitoring tools for the e2e DN service

- et= c.

All = this tasks/functions/modules already exists today but may need some extensi= ons due to the special

requ= irements/characteristics of DetNet flows.

&n= bsp;

[Xueson= g] All these functions seem very interesting and useful to me, especially w= hen we consider how to deploy DetNet in a real network. Only one concern is= about whether these topics are supposed to be discussed in IETF, which I think is highly related to implementation= .

 

R= egarding item 3:

I th= ink the “Management plane” part of the document is needed and i= t should show how the above

list= ed functionalities are challenged by DetNet, where extension of current sol= utions is needed. For

exam= ple, we may compare the Management plane differences of legacy VPN services= and DetNet

serv= ice.

Just= as an example, we need node internal min/max delay between ingress and egr= ess port pairs

in o= rder to design proper queuing control. This is not relevant for non-DetNet = flows, so a new

info= rmation element is needed. However, it may be collected using already exist= ing management

plan= e methods …

 

[Xueson= g] Good point! I think we could consider to add some descriptions in the fo= llowing versions.

 

Chee= rs

Bala= ’zs

 

 

From: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2020 9:53 AM
To: DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' <detnet-chairs@ie= tf.org>= ;; draft-malis-det= net-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Subject: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-fra= mework-04

 

Hi W= G,

 

Afte= r some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start a t= hread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-detnet= -controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from WG chairs will also be very helpful.<= /o:p>

Back= ground information could be found in the end of the email[*].

Here= are some topics that to be discussed:

1= .   &= nbsp;   In IETF 108, a question= about “M” is raised: in OAM, “M” represents “= ;Maintenance”, but in this document, all the contents about OAM are d= iscussed in a section 5 named “management plane”; This may brin= g confusion about the terminologies;

2= .   &= nbsp;   In section 5, DetNet OA= M is briefly discussed by dividing it into two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM = for CFM; while there are two documents in WG covering the same topic: DetNe= t MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relationship between these documents should be considered;

3= .   &= nbsp;   The motivation of DetNe= t controller plane framework is to analysis the gap between the existing te= chnologies in IETF and DetNet controller plane requirement, and give guidan= ce for further protocol extension or new protocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whe= ther this part in the document is still necessary.

 

Best= Regards

Xues= ong

 

---<= o:p>

[*]:= Here are some background information:

-=    &n= bsp;      WG charter:

Cont= roller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "t= he aggregation of the Control and Management Planes";

-=    &n= bsp;      RFC 8655  Deter= ministic Networking Architecture

4.4.= 2.  The Controller Plane

&nbs= p;  The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control=

&nbs= p;  and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and=

&nbs= p;  Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group

&nbs= p;  [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and

&nbs= p;  measurement.  When the logical separation of the Control,

&nbs= p;  Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the te= rm

&nbs= p;  "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent t= hem all, and

&nbs= p;  the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any= device

&nbs= p;  operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element<= o:p>

&nbs= p;  (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distribut= ed

&nbs= p;  control protocol.  The CPF is a core element of a controller,= in

&nbs= p;  charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Netwo= rk

&nbs= p;  Plane.

-=    &n= bsp;      RFC 7426  Softw= are-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architecture Terminology

<= /a>3.4.  Management Plane

&nbs= p;  The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure tha= t

&nbs= p;  the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with = the

&nbs= p;  network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane

&nbs= p;  Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference.=

&nbs= p;  Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on= an

&nbs= p;  overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric.

&nbs= p;  However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention.=

&nbs= p;  Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include:

&nbs= p;  o  Fault and monitoring management

&nbs= p;  o  Configuration management

- &n= bsp;RFC 7276  An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Mainte= nance (OAM) Tools

Abst= ract

&nbs= p;  Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general ter= m

&nbs= p;  that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and fo= r

&nbs= p;  performance measurement.

 

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detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 370313A13B6; Thu, 27 Aug 2020 15:17:20 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.14.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: detnet-chairs@ietf.org, eagros@dolby.com, db3546@att.com, detnet@ietf.org, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip@ietf.org, Ethan Grossman Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159856664020.17623.13347070608386552050@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 15:17:20 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Last Call: (DetNet Data Plane: MPLS over UDP/IP) to Proposed Standard X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2020 22:17:20 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Deterministic Networking WG (detnet) to consider the following document: - 'DetNet Data Plane: MPLS over UDP/IP' as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-09-10. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document specifies the MPLS Deterministic Networking data plane operation and encapsulation over an IP network. The approach is modeled on the operation of MPLS and over UDP/IP packet switched networks. The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-udp-ip/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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Malis" , DetNet WG Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: References: To: =?utf-8?Q?Bal=C3=A1zs_Varga_A?= X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Regarding IPR on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-over-tsn-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 13:13:23 -0000 >=20 > "No, I'm not aware of any IPR that applies to this draft=E2=80=9D Stewart From nobody Fri Aug 28 07:14:23 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 269D23A0C06; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:14:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: The IESG To: "IETF-Announce" X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.15.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk CC: db3546@att.com, draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model@ietf.org, detnet-chairs@ietf.org, lberger@labn.net, detnet@ietf.org, Lou Berger Reply-To: last-call@ietf.org Sender: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <159862405362.3779.7157462001244545224@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 07:14:14 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Last Call: (DetNet Flow Information Model) to Informational RFC X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 14:14:14 -0000 The IESG has received a request from the Deterministic Networking WG (detnet) to consider the following document: - 'DetNet Flow Information Model' as Informational RFC The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send substantive comments to the last-call@ietf.org mailing lists by 2020-09-11. Exceptionally, comments may be sent to iesg@ietf.org instead. In either case, please retain the beginning of the Subject line to allow automated sorting. Abstract This document describes flow and service information model for Deterministic Networking (DetNet). These models are defined for IP and MPLS DetNet data planes The file can be obtained via https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-flow-information-model/ No IPR declarations have been submitted directly on this I-D. 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Fri Aug 28 19:57:18 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D0FF3A0F52; Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:57:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Martin Duke via Datatracker To: "The IESG" Cc: draft-ietf-detnet-mpls@ietf.org, detnet-chairs@ietf.org, detnet@ietf.org, Ethan Grossman , eagros@dolby.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.15.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: Martin Duke Message-ID: <159866983566.7625.10451211220410201847@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2020 19:57:16 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Martin Duke's No Objection on draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-11: (with COMMENT) X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 02:57:16 -0000 Martin Duke has entered the following ballot position for draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-11: No Objection When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this introductory paragraph, however.) Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-detnet-mpls/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- COMMENT: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I found the position of the OAM indicator to be somewhat confusing. 4.2 says it happens in the d-cw layer but there is no mentioning of it in the corresponding section, 4.2.1, instead buried in the S-label text. More importantly, it is correct that an OAM packet cannot test the PREOF functions because it does not have a d-cw, and therefore no sequence number? If so, that seems like a significant capability gap. 4.2.2. I would like to see some guidance for the POF and PEF as to how long it should store observed sequence numbers. This would appear to be one of the harder design decisions in the space, and some general principles would be helpful. For example, are there certain latency guarantees in the Detnet, so that after some time the sequence number can be safely discarded? From nobody Sat Aug 29 12:08:10 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D9BB3A0F43 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:08:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.837 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.837 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.948, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (768-bit key) header.d=labn.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m87afGp8072p for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com (gproxy4-pub.mail.unifiedlayer.com [69.89.23.142]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 41E653A0F48 for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 12:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cmgw14.unifiedlayer.com (unknown [10.9.0.14]) by gproxy4.mail.unifiedlayer.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5527175CDF for ; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 13:07:59 -0600 (MDT) Received: from box313.bluehost.com ([69.89.31.113]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id C6ClklXlMwNNlC6ClkBT3M; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 13:07:59 -0600 X-Authority-Reason: nr=8 X-Authority-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RMGd4bq+ c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:117 a=h1BC+oY+fLhyFmnTBx92Jg==:17 a=dLZJa+xiwSxG16/P+YVxDGlgEgI=:19 a=xqWC_Br6kY4A:10:nop_ipv6 a=y4yBn9ojGxQA:10:nop_rcvd_month_year a=Vy_oeq2dmq0A:10:endurance_base64_authed_username_1 a=r77TgQKjGQsHNAKrUKIA:9 a=48vgC7mUAAAA:8 a=8_Jq2NLIkDuCx4ZWs9cA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10:nop_charset_2 a=-RoEEKskQ1sA:10:nop_election2020_name_body a=i0EeH86SAAAA:8 a=cH40SwuC3PKSs7JfRZMA:9 a=8o9koQZVBLITmK1T:21 a=UiCQ7L4-1S4A:10:nop_mshtml_css_classes a=hTZeC7Yk6K0A:10:nop_msword_html a=frz4AuCg-hUA:10:nop_css_in_html a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10:nop_html a=w1C3t2QeGrPiZgrLijVG:22 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=labn.net; s=default; h=Content-Type:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Date:Message-ID:From: References:Cc:To:Subject:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-ID :Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:Resent-To: Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:List-Subscribe :List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=+qSSRWaK9j96G9UvAiihNqQqUYJxr7ouoKITjX0wPSo=; b=D379DyY4azeUdAq0Xh7gXD/2xZ Qw6a4sFmXX1iOlg7bFE9pHxAIjmQcbMk4cAjLeDmcI3KFVbvV4Ca+FKnDKl9S4Hy27jo6slPweEka ZaSEINtrmSnHsVADn/XFIswAT; Received: from [127.0.0.1] (port=42525 helo=[IPv6:::1]) by box313.bluehost.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1kC6Cl-003KKq-8Y; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 13:07:59 -0600 To: "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" , DetNet WG Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' , "draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org" , Loa Andersson References: <17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726@huawei.com> From: Lou Berger Message-ID: <2cc69b33-e79b-8263-b0f1-d0717c95fe97@labn.net> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:07:55 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726@huawei.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------3BF8A80DDC8D7A153EF5B377" Content-Language: en-US X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box313.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - ietf.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - labn.net X-BWhitelist: no X-Source-IP: 127.0.0.1 X-Source-L: Yes X-Exim-ID: 1kC6Cl-003KKq-8Y X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([IPv6:::1]) [127.0.0.1]:42525 X-Source-Auth: lberger@labn.net X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: bGFibm1vYmk7bGFibm1vYmk7Ym94MzEzLmJsdWVob3N0LmNvbQ== X-Local-Domain: yes Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 19:08:09 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------3BF8A80DDC8D7A153EF5B377 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Xuesong, I'm not too sure what input you are looking.  So I hope you find my responses below as helpful. On 8/25/2020 3:53 AM, Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) wrote: > > Hi WG, > > After some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to > start a thread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of > draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in > WG . Guidance from WG chairs will also be very helpful. > > Background information could be found in the end of the email[*]. > > Here are some topics that to be discussed: > > 1.In IETF 108, a question about “M” is raised: in OAM, “M” represents > “Maintenance”, but in this document, all the contents about OAM are > discussed in a section 5 named “management plane”; This may bring > confusion about the terminologies; > I think the M in OAM maps to Maintenance. > > 2.In section 5, DetNet OAM is briefly discussed by dividing it into > two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM for CFM; while there are two documents > in WG covering the same topic: DetNet MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The > relationship between these documents should be considered; > My personal perspective is that the controller plane needs to be aware of, and perhaps control and even take input from OAM.  Byt the controller plane doesn't include or implement OAM functions. To me OAM is separate from, but lives in the data plane. > 3.The motivation of DetNet controller plane framework is to analysis > the gap between the existing technologies in IETF and DetNet > controller plane requirement, and give guidance for further protocol > extension or new protocol design. If there have been management plane > solutions, whether this part in the document is still necessary. > I think things like YANG blur the management and controller plane as it is used as an interface in many SDN solutions.  For me, such API- based control mechanisms are distinctly separate from the traditional device configuration uses of YANG, even when the same YANG transport is used, and they are generally supported with different modules.  I think there is room in the control plane document for such usage, as well as for fully (or partially) distributed control plane solutions. Lou (no hats) > Best Regards > > Xuesong > > --- > > [*]:Here are some background information: > > -*WG charter:* > > Controller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 > as "the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes"; > > -*RFC 8655  Deterministic Networking Architecture* > > 4.4.2. The Controller Plane > > The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control > > and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and > > Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group > > [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and > > measurement.  When the logical separation of the Control, > > Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the term > > "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent them all, and > > the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any device > > operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element > > (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distributed > > control protocol.  The CPF is a core element of a controller, in > > charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Network > > Plane. > > -*RFC 7426  Software-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architecture > Terminology* > > 3.4 .  Management Plane > > The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure that > > the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with the > > network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane > > Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference. > > Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on an > > overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric. > > However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention. > > Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS > ] typically include: > > o  Fault and monitoring management > > o  Configuration management > > - *RFC 7276  An Overview of Operations, Administration, and > Maintenance (OAM) Tools* > > Abstract > > Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general term > > that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and for > > performance measurement. > --------------3BF8A80DDC8D7A153EF5B377 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Xuesong,

I'm not too sure what input you are looking.  So I hope you find my responses below as helpful.

On 8/25/2020 3:53 AM, Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) wrote:

Hi WG,

 

After some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start a thread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from WG chairs will also be very helpful.

Background information could be found in the end of the email[*].

Here are some topics that to be discussed:

1.       In IETF 108, a question about “M” is raised: in OAM, “M” represents “Maintenance”, but in this document, all the contents about OAM are discussed in a section 5 named “management plane”; This may bring confusion about the terminologies;

I think the M in OAM maps to Maintenance.


2.       In section 5, DetNet OAM is briefly discussed by dividing it into two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM for CFM; while there are two documents in WG covering the same topic: DetNet MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relationship between these documents should be considered;

My personal perspective is that the controller plane needs to be aware of, and perhaps control and even take input from OAM.  Byt the controller plane doesn't include or implement OAM functions.

To me OAM is separate from, but lives in the data plane.

3.       The motivation of DetNet controller plane framework is to analysis the gap between the existing technologies in IETF and DetNet controller plane requirement, and give guidance for further protocol extension or new protocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whether this part in the document is still necessary.

I think things like YANG blur the management and controller plane as it is used as an interface in many SDN solutions.  For me, such API- based control mechanisms are distinctly separate from the traditional device configuration uses of YANG, even when the same YANG transport is used, and they are generally supported with different modules.  I think there is room in the control plane document for such usage, as well as for fully (or partially) distributed control plane solutions.

Lou

(no hats)

 

Best Regards

Xuesong

 

---

[*]:Here are some background information:

-          WG charter:

Controller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes";

-          RFC 8655  Deterministic Networking Architecture

4.4.2.  The Controller Plane

   The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control

   and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and

   Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group

   [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and

   measurement.  When the logical separation of the Control,

   Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the term

   "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent them all, and

   the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any device

   operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element

   (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distributed

   control protocol.  The CPF is a core element of a controller, in

   charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Network

   Plane.

-          RFC 7426  Software-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architecture Terminology

3.4.  Management Plane

   The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure that

   the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with the

   network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane

   Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference.

   Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on an

   overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric.

   However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention.

   Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include:

   o  Fault and monitoring management

   o  Configuration management

-  RFC 7276  An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) Tools

Abstract

   Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general term

   that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and for

   performance measurement.

 

--------------3BF8A80DDC8D7A153EF5B377-- From nobody Sat Aug 29 15:03:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietf.org Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B993A10F5; Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:03:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Watson Ladd via Datatracker To: Cc: last-call@ietf.org, draft-ietf-detnet-mpls.all@ietf.org, detnet@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.15.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <159873859265.10254.15047947315298424271@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: Watson Ladd Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 15:03:12 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Detnet] Secdir telechat review of draft-ietf-detnet-mpls-11 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2020 22:03:13 -0000 Reviewer: Watson Ladd Review result: Has Nits I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the IESG. These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the security area directors. Document editors and WG chairs should treat these comments just like any other last call comments. The summary of the review is has nits. First the good parts: this document has a very well-thought Security Considerations section that describes the threats unique to this setting and makes a reference to an upcoming architecture draft. However, I found analysis of how the protocol should be deployed or configured or is designed to address those threats to be lacking in a few places. The discussion of DOS attacks is good: it says to avoid impacts on the DetNet services traffic must be policed or dropped at the edge. I would like to see a similar statement made about the consequences and mitigations for interior network corruption. It reads almost like a sentence or two was inadvertently deleted. However, if I understand the MPLS architecture correctly a compromised node can inject a label stack that results in interference with the DetNet flows, and this is quite difficult to avoid in the general case. I'm not knowledgeable in this area by any means. Perhaps it's necessary to say that all the MPLS nodes are assumed to be trusted and otherwise the DetNet services cannot be provided. I think this can be addressed pretty quickly. Sincerely, Watson Ladd From nobody Mon Aug 31 03:07:02 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA7903A11C1; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 03:07:00 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.89 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.89 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_KAM_HTML_FONT_INVALID=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9O0BpumlnG_o; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 03:06:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9EBD13A11C3; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 03:06:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhreml719-chm.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.108]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id EA43F441C2A217C39E83; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:06:56 +0100 (IST) Received: from dggeme701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.97) by lhreml719-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.70) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256) id 15.1.1913.5; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 11:06:55 +0100 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com (10.3.19.98) by dggeme701-chm.china.huawei.com (10.1.199.97) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1913.5; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:06:53 +0800 Received: from dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) by dggeme752-chm.china.huawei.com ([10.6.80.76]) with mapi id 15.01.1913.007; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 18:06:53 +0800 From: "Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong)" To: Lou Berger , DetNet WG CC: 'DetNet Chairs' , "draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org" , Loa Andersson , Greg Mirsky Thread-Topic: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04 Thread-Index: AdZ6tHxduf1nF15tQsaw64kleWwTiADQCjGAAGJC/KA= Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:06:53 +0000 Message-ID: References: <17d8b11334794051bce981f8e9c09726@huawei.com> <2cc69b33-e79b-8263-b0f1-d0717c95fe97@labn.net> In-Reply-To: <2cc69b33-e79b-8263-b0f1-d0717c95fe97@labn.net> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.108.242.209] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_af233f9c8176459eae2a2f3b84336262huaweicom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framework-04 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 10:07:01 -0000 --_000_af233f9c8176459eae2a2f3b84336262huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Lou, Thank you for providing your thoughts. My intension here is to close the previous comments for the document and pr= epare for a new version which will be ready for WG adoption, as we have dis= cussed in IETF 108. I think most of the legacy questions have been clarifie= d. If there is no more questions in the ML, I will work on updating the dra= ft with other authors. Best Regards Xuesong From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net] Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 3:08 AM To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) ; DetNet WG Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' ; draft-malis-detnet-controller= -plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson Subject: Re: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane-framew= ork-04 Xuesong, I'm not too sure what input you are looking. So I hope you find my respons= es below as helpful. On 8/25/2020 3:53 AM, Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) wrote: Hi WG, After some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start= a thread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-de= tnet-controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from = WG chairs will also be very helpful. Background information could be found in the end of the email[*]. Here are some topics that to be discussed: 1. In IETF 108, a question about "M" is raised: in OAM, "M" represent= s "Maintenance", but in this document, all the contents about OAM are discu= ssed in a section 5 named "management plane"; This may bring confusion abou= t the terminologies; I think the M in OAM maps to Maintenance. 2. 3. In section 5, DetNet OAM is briefly discussed by dividing it into = two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM for CFM; while there are two documents in W= G covering the same topic: DetNet MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relations= hip between these documents should be considered; My personal perspective is that the controller plane needs to be aware of, = and perhaps control and even take input from OAM. Byt the controller plane= doesn't include or implement OAM functions. To me OAM is separate from, but lives in the data plane. 4. The motivation of DetNet controller plane framework is to analysis= the gap between the existing technologies in IETF and DetNet controller pl= ane requirement, and give guidance for further protocol extension or new pr= otocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whether this = part in the document is still necessary. I think things like YANG blur the management and controller plane as it is = used as an interface in many SDN solutions. For me, such API- based contro= l mechanisms are distinctly separate from the traditional device configurat= ion uses of YANG, even when the same YANG transport is used, and they are g= enerally supported with different modules. I think there is room in the co= ntrol plane document for such usage, as well as for fully (or partially) di= stributed control plane solutions. Lou (no hats) Best Regards Xuesong --- [*]:Here are some background information: - WG charter: Controller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "th= e aggregation of the Control and Management Planes"; - RFC 8655 Deterministic Networking Architecture 4.4.2. The Controller Plane The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and measurement. When the logical separation of the Control, Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the term "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent them all, and the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any device operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distributed control protocol. The CPF is a core element of a controller, in charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Network Plane. - RFC 7426 Software-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architec= ture Terminology 3.4. Management Plane The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure that the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with the network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference. Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on an overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric. However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention. Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include: o Fault and monitoring management o Configuration management - RFC 7276 An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OA= M) Tools Abstract Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general term that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and for performance measurement. --_000_af233f9c8176459eae2a2f3b84336262huaweicom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Lou,

 

Thank you for providing your thoughts.=

My intension here is to close the prev= ious comments for the document and prepare for a new version which will be = ready for WG adoption, as we have discussed in IETF 108. I think most of the legacy questions have been clarified. If = there is no more questions in the ML, I will work on updating the draft wit= h other authors.

 

Best Regards

Xuesong

&n= bsp;

From: Lou Berger [mailto:lberger@labn.net]
Sent: Sunday, August 30, 2020 3:08 AM
To: Gengxuesong (Geng Xuesong) <gengxuesong@huawei.com>; DetNe= t WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Cc: 'DetNet Chairs' <detnet-chairs@ietf.org>; draft-malis-detn= et-controller-plane-framework@ietf.org; Loa Andersson <loa@pi.nu>
Subject: Re: Management Plane in draft-malis-detnet-controller-plane= -framework-04

 

Xuesong,

I'm not too sure what input you are looking.  = So I hope you find my responses below as helpful.

On 8/25/2020 3:53 AM, Gengxueso= ng (Geng Xuesong) wrote:

Hi W= G,

&nbs= p;

Afte= r some great discussions in IETF 108 and offline, I would like to start a t= hread in the ML to discuss about the management plane of draft-malis-detnet= -controller-plane-framework-04, to get consensus in WG . Guidance from WG chairs will also be very helpful.<= /o:p>

Back= ground information could be found in the end of the email[*].

Here= are some topics that to be discussed:

1= .   &= nbsp;   In IETF 108, a question= about “M” is raised: in OAM, “M” represents “= ;Maintenance”, but in this document, all the contents about OAM are d= iscussed in a section 5 named “management plane”; This may brin= g confusion about the terminologies;

I think the M in OAM maps to Maintenance.

2= .   &= nbsp;  

3= .   &= nbsp;   In section 5, DetNet OA= M is briefly discussed by dividing it into two aspects: OAM for PM and OAM = for CFM; while there are two documents in WG covering the same topic: DetNe= t MPLS OAM and DetNet IP OAM. The relationship between these documents should be considered;

My personal perspective is that the controller plan= e needs to be aware of, and perhaps control and even take input from OAM.&n= bsp; Byt the controller plane doesn't include or implement OAM functions.

To me OAM is separate from, but lives in the data p= lane.

4= .   &= nbsp;   The motivation of DetNe= t controller plane framework is to analysis the gap between the existing te= chnologies in IETF and DetNet controller plane requirement, and give guidan= ce for further protocol extension or new protocol design. If there have been management plane solutions, whe= ther this part in the document is still necessary.

I think things like YANG blur the management and co= ntroller plane as it is used as an interface in many SDN solutions.  F= or me, such API- based control mechanisms are distinctly separate from the = traditional device configuration uses of YANG, even when the same YANG transport is used, and they are generally su= pported with different modules.  I think there is room in the control = plane document for such usage, as well as for fully (or partially) distribu= ted control plane solutions.

Lou

(no hats)

&nbs= p;

Best= Regards

Xues= ong

&nbs= p;

---<= o:p>

[*]:= Here are some background information:

-=    &n= bsp;      WG charter:

Cont= roller Plane: The DetNet Controller Plane is defined in RFC 8655 as "t= he aggregation of the Control and Management Planes";

-=    &n= bsp;      RFC 8655  Deter= ministic Networking Architecture=

4.4.= 2.  The Controller Plane

&nbs= p;  The Controller Plane corresponds to the aggregation of the Control=

&nbs= p;  and Management Planes in [RFC7426], though Common Control and=

&nbs= p;  Measurement Plane (CCAMP) (as defined by the CCAMP Working Group

&nbs= p;  [CCAMP]) makes an additional distinction between management and

&nbs= p;  measurement.  When the logical separation of the Control,

&nbs= p;  Measurement, and other Management entities is not relevant, the te= rm

&nbs= p;  "Controller Plane" is used for simplicity to represent t= hem all, and

&nbs= p;  the term "Controller Plane Function (CPF)" refers to any= device

&nbs= p;  operating in that plane, whether it is a Path Computation Element<= o:p>

&nbs= p;  (PCE) [RFC4655], a Network Management Entity (NME), or a distribut= ed

&nbs= p;  control protocol.  The CPF is a core element of a controller,= in

&nbs= p;  charge of computing deterministic paths to be applied in the Netwo= rk

&nbs= p;  Plane.

-=    &n= bsp;      RFC 7426  Softw= are-Defined Networking (SDN): Layers and Architecture Terminology

<= /a>3.4.  Management Plane

&nbs= p;  The management plane is usually centralized and aims to ensure tha= t

&nbs= p;  the network as a whole is running optimally by communicating with = the

&nbs= p;  network devices' operational plane using a Management-Plane

&nbs= p;  Southbound Interface (MPSI) with DAL as a point of reference.=

&nbs= p;  Management-plane functionalities are typically initiated, based on= an

&nbs= p;  overall network view, and traditionally have been human-centric.

&nbs= p;  However, lately, algorithms are replacing most human intervention.=

&nbs= p;  Management-plane functionalities [FCAPS] typically include:

&nbs= p;  o  Fault and monitoring management

&nbs= p;  o  Configuration management

- &n= bsp;RFC 7276  An Overview of Operations, Administration, and Mainte= nance (OAM) Tools

Abst= ract

&nbs= p;  Operations, Administration, and Maintenance (OAM) is a general ter= m

&nbs= p;  that refers to a toolset for fault detection and isolation, and fo= r

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--_000_af233f9c8176459eae2a2f3b84336262huaweicom_-- From nobody Mon Aug 31 12:40:00 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: detnet@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356273A0DAA; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:39:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.097 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.097 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X-r0MnHCYe1v; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:39:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lj1-x230.google.com (mail-lj1-x230.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::230]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 440123A0D9B; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-lj1-x230.google.com with SMTP id v12so8069360ljc.10; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:39:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=5KXDvwY5M5McbtQa5oQMDJSNnU4NzEQVbLRg4IMpwT4=; b=F6jK39hJ8EK5WTwtiEut14TaHVjw4gUXxWK5djzWuqdm1U/hwtRKZsDf6g55eXORS8 Vq4s+rdRk4YoHv3/X1Bq48mfP2tBF8OwFvGfA46nvB1rn+YRlsHf3aCnl691s4IXsEeo 3/m+u5xUEUJWtKR3zHxcIFL5W88zpCim2PV0sJOsp7AMyyFZ0KP/7xdmsoLJq04Qqojn lXMHRblTmXyhAtH8PjUnto4QiBfVCfM2AQH8n35yhj7ZlTjorWZR3qofdMfU/mTm/fWo 0sYeAwwSviWOqDIsw+G9fn6Ypqe0AJEmIVyyfW73IQW64Byn3GHhI4jKMYqATCRniQYW KvuA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=5KXDvwY5M5McbtQa5oQMDJSNnU4NzEQVbLRg4IMpwT4=; b=tzgMWDWExS6znyjWQRu3Qegr6E3TdLhvUi7/mRG6av9kuTQkNaBgU57Jo558kdBwbP QWxb1aHo+0zlzoDa1wYn1UTKiK9F1f0CDZ07Lr8Qk2+VZ+1cfQ2QgNnBa3DYK2gd5sXs Nz98eUnh17kvtOaD8fRrlLEyvgnL37LVZkBxoQ1n2qFKoANm/+uhXn8tHYDJPYgkJafx x9K/XVwidxWLbOBWWAw1BrCM0EwLgLt0bFfLqgx7/V7kex0tAqCH1TOBqE60c2ccKqVN BHBRd8mj7HIqvNdQvr6mW8axYwszJxT+AipA6hl+3Gi/6EGZ2e0Lpi4cPT5sYE1RocFd UDeg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533o8/COSK+l2XuPXJJ2MYYVw+B+zgECA7b+28rTPby61MFbdy4v r02eI5q5NnLR4C/aGMtT7G82O349fzwMtFTomxs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxD85MOsZfvk55cC68sFC2/dxAVodosxgArVU8kZcDp1ZPhxB21G7uQ8v/VaDhBbp0AMYIotVN2Vx82/DIM6Ko= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b8cb:: with SMTP id s11mr1415412ljp.110.1598902792317; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:39:52 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: Greg Mirsky Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 12:39:42 -0700 Message-ID: To: "Pascal Thubert (pthubert)" Cc: Janos Farkas , DetNet WG , raw@ietf.org, draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000f772b305ae319059" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG adoption poll on draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 X-BeenThere: detnet@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions on Deterministic Networking BoF and Proposed WG List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 19:39:59 -0000 --000000000000f772b305ae319059 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Pascal, thank you for your suggestions. I'll apply the editorial fix in the next update of the draft, hope that is acceptable. We've discussed your suggestions with the authors draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support. Perhaps it might be more appropriate to discuss these topics in the new draft that Lou has recommended at the RAW WG meeting. The work has already started and we are planning to share the first version before IETF-109. Do you think that this is a reasonable approach? I've added my answers, notes below in-line under GIM>> tag. Kind regards, Greg On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 12:43 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert) < pthubert@cisco.com> wrote: > Hello Greg: > > > > Please find some review comments below > > > > P4, 1st sentence: Nit; =E2=80=9Cspecified=E2=80=9D -> =E2=80=9Cis specifi= ed=E2=80=9D > > > > P4 section 3.1: We need to discuss the attack vector whereby the attacker > would flood the DetNet Path with forged OAM and consume the available > bandwidth > GIM>> Such a scenario is more likely applicable to DetNet in general. If you agree, it will be considered in the new document that describes OAM in DetNet. > > > P4 section 3.2: We need to elaborate on the OAM behavior if there is a > replication point. Also, how it plays with coding. > GIM>> I think that DetNet WG decided that PREOF is supported only in DetNet with MPLS data plane. I agree with you, the document that defines OAM functions specific to PREOF is required. > > > P5 Section 3: Suggestion to add 2 subsections, > > - One on the 6TiSCH model that is echoed in the the personal sub of > RAW architecture, see > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pthubert-raw-architecture-04#section= -7, > in particular section 7.3. > > GIM>> Thank you for your recommendation, will address this topic in the new draft. > > - > - One on IPPM and iOAM where the measurement fields are in the packet > header, inserted by the source (or encapsulator) > > GIM>> Thank you for this question! We will certainly discuss the applicability of the methods to collect on-path telemetry information and transport it for processing in the new DetNet OAM draft (and will add a section on specifics of RAW to draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support). > > - > > > > Take care, > > > > Pascal > > > > *From:* detnet *On Behalf Of *Greg Mirsky > *Sent:* lundi 17 ao=C3=BBt 2020 01:04 > *To:* Janos Farkas > *Cc:* DetNet WG > *Subject:* Re: [Detnet] WG adoption poll on draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 > > > > Hi Janos, Lou, et al., > > yes/support adoption as the co-author of the draft. > > The draft is on the Informational track as the authors don't see the need > to define any new mechanism for OAM in DetNet over IP. > > > > Regards, > > Greg > > > > On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:50 AM Janos Farkas 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > > Hi, > > > > This is start of a three week poll on making > > draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group document. Please > > send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or "no/do not > > support". If indicating no, please state your reservations with the > > document. If yes, please also feel free to provide comments you'd > > like to see addressed once the document is a WG document. > > > > The poll ends September 4. > > > > Regards, > > Janos and Lou > > _______________________________________________ > detnet mailing list > detnet@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/detnet > > --000000000000f772b305ae319059 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Pascal,
thank you for your suggest= ions. I'll apply the editorial fix in the next update of the draft, hop= e that is acceptable.
We've discussed your suggestions with t= he authors=C2=A0draft-theoleyre-raw-oam-support.=C2=A0 Perhaps it might be = more appropriate to discuss these topics in the new draft that Lou has reco= mmended at the RAW WG meeting. The work has already started and we are plan= ning to share the first version before IETF-109. Do you think that this=C2= =A0is a reasonable approach?
I've added my answers, notes bel= ow in-line under GIM>> tag.

Kind regards,
Greg

On Thu, Aug 27, 2020 at 12:43 AM Pascal Thubert (pthubert= ) <pthubert@cisco.com> wrot= e:

Hello Greg:

=C2=A0

Please find some review comments below

=C2=A0

P4, 1st sentence: Nit; =E2=80=9Cspecified=E2=80=9D = -> =E2=80=9Cis specified=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

P4 section 3.1: We need to discuss the attack vector whereby t= he attacker would flood the DetNet Path with forged OAM and consume the ava= ilable bandwidth

GIM>>= Such a scenario is more likely applicable to DetNet in general. If you agr= ee, it will be considered in the new document that describes OAM in DetNet.=

=C2=A0

P4 section 3.2: We need to elaborate on the OAM behavior if th= ere is a replication point. Also, how it plays with coding.

GIM>> I think that DetNet WG decided = that PREOF is supported only in DetNet with MPLS data plane. I agree with y= ou, the document that defines OAM functions specific to PREOF=C2=A0is requi= red.

=C2=A0

P5 Section 3: Suggestion to add 2 subsections,

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Take care,

=C2=A0

Pascal

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From: detnet <detnet-bounces@ietf.o= rg> On Behalf Of Greg Mirsky
Sent: lundi 17 ao=C3=BBt 202= 0 01:04
To: Janos Farkas <Janos.F= arkas=3D= 40ericsson.com@dmarc.ietf.org>
Cc: DetNet WG <detnet@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [Detnet] WG ado= ption poll on draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03

=C2=A0

Hi Janos, Lou, et al.,

yes/support adoption as the co-author of the draft.<= /u>

The draft is on the Informational track as the authors don'= ;t see the need to define any new mechanism for OAM in DetNet over IP.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Greg

=C2=A0

On Fri, Aug 14, 2020 at 8:50 AM Janos Farkas <Janos.Farkas= =3D40eri= csson.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:

Hi,

=C2=A0

This is start of a three week poll on making

draft-mirsky-detnet-ip-oam-03 a working group document. Please=

send email to the list indicating "yes/support" or &= quot;no/do not

support".=C2=A0 If indicating no, please state your reser= vations with the

document.=C2=A0 If yes, please also feel free to provide comme= nts you'd

like to see addressed once the document is a WG document.

=C2=A0

The poll ends September 4.

=C2=A0

Regards,

Janos and Lou

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