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On Apr 25, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com> wrote:
> One of the authors of this draft has requested a formal call for adoption=
.   There was substantial support for the work in the DHC working group mee=
ting in Paris, and no objections.   The idea is to have a RADIUS option for=
 DHCPv6, similar to the functionality present in DHCPv4.

> We will make a determination of consensus on May 9.

Nine people were in favor of adopting this work and said so on the mailing =
list.   Nobody spoke to oppose doing the work.   So there is consensus to a=
dopt it.   Leaf agreed to change the name of the draft to make it more clea=
r that it's about radius options.

Leaf, please publish a -00 version as a working group draft when you are re=
ady.

Thanks!


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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	Title           : RADIUS Option for DHCPv6 Relay Agents on Broadband Acces=
s Server
	Author(s)       : Leaf Y. Yeh
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Ted Lemon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-radius-opt-00.txt
	Pages           : 9
	Date            : 2012-05-06

   The DHCPv6 RADIUS option provides a communication mechanism between
   relay agent and the server.  This mechanism can help the centralized
   DHCPv6 server to select the right configuration for the client based
   on the authorization information received from a separate RADIUS
   server which is not located at the same place of DHCPv6 server in the
   cases where the NAS acts as DHCPv6 relay agent and RADIUS client
   simultaneously.


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	Title           : Issues with multiple stateful DHCPv6 options
	Author(s)       : Ole Troan
                          Bernie Volz
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
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   Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol for IPv6 (DHCPv6) was not written
   with the expectation that additional stateful DHCPv6 options would be
   developed.  IPv6 Prefix Options for Dynamic Host Configuration
   Protocol (DHCP) version 6 shoe-horned the new options for Prefix
   Delegation into DHCPv6.  Implementation experience of the CPE model
   described in has shown multiple issues with the DHCPv6 protocol in
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We will determine consensus on May 1, 2012.

Nine were in favor of adopting, none opposed, so the working group has adop=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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	Title           : A Generic IPv6 Addresses Registration Solution Using DHC=
Pv6
	Author(s)       : Sheng Jiang
                          Gang Chen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dhc-addr-registration-00.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2012-05-07

   In the IPv6 address allocation scenarios, host self-generated
   addresses are notionally conflicted with the network managed address
   architecture. These addresses need to be registered in the networking
   management plate for the purposes of central address administration.
   This document introduces a generic address registration solution
   using DHCPv6, and defines one new ND option and one new DHCPv6 option
   in order to propagate the solicitations of registering self-generated
   addresses. The registration procedure reuses the existing IA_NA in
   the DHCPv6 protocol.


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<DIV><B>Subject:</B>&nbsp;[dhcwg] WGLC:=20
draft-ietf-dhc-secure-dhcpv6</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>In&nbsp;the&nbsp;Paris&nbsp;meeting&nbsp;a&nbsp;show&nbsp;of&nbsp;han=
ds&nbsp;indicated&nbsp;that&nbsp;the&nbsp;group&nbsp;favored&nbsp;bringing=
&nbsp;this&nbsp;document&nbsp;to&nbsp;last&nbsp;call.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;So&=
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ument.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If&nbsp;you&nbsp;are&nbsp;in&nbsp;favor&nbsp;of&nb=
sp;advancing&nbsp;it,&nbsp;and&nbsp;have&nbsp;read&nbsp;it,&nbsp;please&nb=
sp;say&nbsp;so.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;If&nbsp;you&nbsp;think&nbsp;it&nbsp;needs=
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vance,&nbsp;please&nbsp;say&nbsp;so.</DIV>
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<DIV>We&nbsp;will&nbsp;determine&nbsp;consensus&nbsp;on&nbsp;May&nbsp;21.<=
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On May 4, 2012, at 3:44 PM, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com<mailto:Ted.Lem=
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Nine people were in favor of adopting this work and said so on the mailing =
list.   Nobody spoke to oppose doing the work.   So there is consensus to a=
dopt it.   Leaf agreed to change the name of the draft to make it more clea=
r that it's about radius options.

Oops.   I just realized that I closed the call for adoption five days early=
.   If somebody had objections and didn't voice them because of this, pleas=
e let me know.

I'm assuming nobody did, but this was a mistake, and I don't want to just l=
eave it unacknowledged or miss the opportunity to correct it.   Sorry about=
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Hi all,

  I am in favor of advancing this draft.
  Thanks

  Yu



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In the Paris meeting a show of hands indicated that the group favored bring=
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+1
I also support this draft to move forward.
The draft provides a practical approach to secure the DHCPv6 interaction wi=
th using the mature CGA mechanisms.
B.R.
Bing
From: dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of D=
i Ma
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:48 AM
To: DHC WG
Subject: [dhcwg] Fw: WGLC: draft-ietf-dhc-secure-dhcpv6

Considering DHCPv6 is somehow of big importance in the era of IPv6, CGA, as=
 a well-fashioned IPv6 address, is going to protect DHCPv6 away from variou=
s attacks. Some efforts on the standardization of related techniques should=
 be made.
I am in favor of advancing this document.

________________________________
Di Ma
CNNIC Advanced Research Department
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From: Ted Lemon<mailto:Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>
Date: 2012-05-07 12:37
To: DHC WG<mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org>
Subject: [dhcwg] WGLC: draft-ietf-dhc-secure-dhcpv6
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All,

greatly appreciated if you could give this a once-over. it is meant to =
fix the issues identified by the RFC6204 effort in v6ops, and be the =
basis for 3315bis.

cheers,
Ole


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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'Description of Cisco Systems' Subnet Allocation Option for DHCPv4'
  (draft-ietf-dhc-subnet-alloc-13.txt) as Informational RFC

This document is the product of the Dynamic Host Configuration Working
Group.

The IESG contact persons are Ralph Droms and Brian Haberman.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
http://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dhc-subnet-alloc/




Technical Summary

  This document defines a new DHCP option which is passed between the
  DHCP Client and the DHCP Server to request dynamic allocation of a
  subnet, give specifications of subnet(s) allocated, and report usage
  statistics.  This memo documents the current usage of the option in
  agreement with [RFC3942], which declares that any pre-existing usages
  of option numbers in the range 128 - 223 should be documented and the
  working group will try to officially assign those numbers to those
  options.

Working Group Summary

   There was nothing controversial about this document.  There was
   consensus in the working group to include the following text in the
   document:

   At the time when RFC 3942 came out, Cisco Systems had already
   deployed products which made use of option number 220.  In RFC 3942,
   section 4, procedure 2, it is clearly stated, "Vendors that currently
   use one or more of the reclassified options have 6 months following
   this RFC's publication date to notify the DHC WG and IANA that they
   are using particular options numbers and agree to document that usage
   in an RFC."  This procedure was immediately followed.  It further
   states, "Vendors have 18 months from this RFC's publication date to
   start the documentation process by submitting an Internet-Draft."
   This procedure was also followed.  For the purposes of clarity, it
   was thought important for the submitted draft to go through Working
   Group review.  This process took quite a long time, with the document
   moving to "Last Call" multiple times.  Since Cisco Systems already
   had deployed products, and thus wanted to avoid anything except for
   minor changes to the existing option definition, it was deemed best
   for the document to be Informational instead of Standard Track.  This
   decision was made in cooperation with the Working Group and Work
   Group Chair at the time.

Document Quality

   There is at least one existing implementation of this specification.  It is not
   known if additional DHCP server implementations have or will implement this
   draft.  Existing implementations are believed to be available today.

   Beyond what was performed with key members of the dhc WG no special
   reviews were performed or required.

Personnel

   The document shepherd is John Brzozowski
   <John_Brzozowski@Cable.Comcast.com>.  The responsible
  Area Director is Ralph Droms <rdroms.ietf@gmail.com>.




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I think the draft is in a good shape.
Support to move forward

Many thanks

Gang

2012/5/7, Ted Lemon <Ted.Lemon@nominum.com>:
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A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries.

        
        RFC 6603

        Title:      Prefix Exclude Option for DHCPv6-based 
                    Prefix Delegation 
        Author:     J. Korhonen, Ed.,
                    T. Savolainen, S. Krishnan,
                    O. Troan
        Status:     Standards Track
        Stream:     IETF
        Date:       May 2012
        Mailbox:    jouni.nospam@gmail.com, 
                    teemu.savolainen@nokia.com, 
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        Characters: 19485
        Updates:    RFC3633

        I-D Tag:    draft-ietf-dhc-pd-exclude-04.txt

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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	Title           : DHCPv4 over IPv6 Transport
	Author(s)       : Yong Cui
                          Peng Wu
                          Jianping Wu
                          Ted Lemon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv4-over-ipv6-03.txt
	Pages           : 12
	Date            : 2012-05-18

   In IPv6 networks, there remains a need to provide IPv4 service for
   some residual devices.  This document describes a mechanism for
   allocating IPv4 addresses to such devices, using DHCPv4 with an IPv6
   transport.  It is done by putting a special relay agent function
   (Client Relay Agent) on the client side, as well as extending the
   behavior of the server; in the case where DHCP server only supports
   IPv4 transport, a relay agent is extended to support IPv6 transport
   (IPv6-Transport Relay Agent) and relay DHCP traffic for the server,
   with a new Relay Agent Information sub-option added to carry the IPv6
   address of the Client Relay Agent.


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Folks,

We have published a new IETF I-D entitled: "DHCPv6-Shield: Protecting
Against Rogue DHCPv6 Servers". It is analogous to the RA-Guard (RFC
6105) mechanism currently employed for mitigating RA-based attacks.

The I-D is available at:
<http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-gont-opsec-dhcpv6-shield-00.txt>

I'm not sure in which wg I'd be pursuing this effort (v6ops, opsec, or
dhcwg). If there's interest in this wg, it could be done here. However,
in any case discussion of this document within dhcwg would be welcome.

Thanks!

Best regards,
Fernando




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Subject: New Version Notification for draft-gont-opsec-dhcpv6-shield-00.txt
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To: fgont@si6networks.com

A new version of I-D, draft-gont-opsec-dhcpv6-shield-00.txt has been
successfully submitted by Fernando Gont and posted to the IETF repository.

Filename:	 draft-gont-opsec-dhcpv6-shield
Revision:	 00
Title:		 DHCPv6-Shield: Protecting Against Rogue DHCPv6 Servers
Creation date:	 2012-05-18
WG ID:		 Individual Submission
Number of pages: 12

Abstract:
   This document specifies a mechanism for protecting hosts connected to
   a broadcast network against rogue DHCPv6 servers.  The aforementioned
   mechanism is based on DHCPv6 packet-filtering at the layer-2 device
   on which the packets are received.  The aforementioned mechanism has
   been widely deployed in IPv4 networks ("DHCP snooping"), and hence it
   is desirable that similar functionality be provided for IPv6
   networks.





The IETF Secretariat


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>I-D.ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues should be a normative reference.

When do we think the above document can be sent to the IESG by the DHC =
WG?  Rfc6204bis is sensitive to any delays for publication if a =
normative reference does not become an RFC around the time of =
publication for rfc6204bis.

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Can we request that the DHC WG chairs to start a DHC WG last-call on the =
document? There has been no real discussion of it so far on the mailing =
list; perhaps this is one way to trigger that discussion? It would be =
nice to move this document along!!

- Bernie

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>I-D.ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues should be a normative reference.

When do we think the above document can be sent to the IESG by the DHC =
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Thanks, Bernie!

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>I-D.ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues should be a normative reference.

When do we think the above document can be sent to the IESG by the DHC =
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
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	Title           : Prefix Assignment in DHCPv6
	Author(s)       : Sheng Jiang
                          Frank Xia
                          Behcet Sarikaya
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dhc-host-gen-id-02.txt
	Pages           : 10
	Date            : 2012-05-22

   This document introduce a procedure for configuring hosts' IPv6
   address which the prefix is assigned from a DHCPv6 server through
   DHCPv6 protocol while the interface identifiers are independently
   generated by the hosts.  The method is applicable to
   Cryptographically Generated Addresses (CGA), and other IPv6 addresses
   with host-generated interface identifiers.


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I have read this informational draft and I have couple of comments so
far.

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1.)Section 3.1

   Replace Section 17.1.3
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00#se
ction-17.1.3> : (existing errata)
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      The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a
Status
      Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the exception
      that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
      user.
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   With:
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      The client MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that
      includes a Status Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail,
      with the exception that the client MAY display the associated
      status message to the user. An Advertise message without any IA
      options MUST be ignored.

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Is this only applicable to IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT
with both IA_NA and IA_PD. Then in that case I guess we should mention
"NoPrefixAvail" as well.
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2.) Section 3.6
   Proposed solution: the client should keep a single session with the
   server.  The client should continue with the IA_ options received,
   while continuing to request the other IA options in subsequent
   messages to the server.  That means continue to include the empty
   unanswered IAs in subsequent Renew and Rebind messages.
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I believe, it is possible that a particular server is willing to offer
only a subset of IA_'s which has been requested. In that case, what's
the use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be
talking to one server after the advertise is accepted.
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associated<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
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New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre>Is this only applicable to =
IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT with both IA_NA and IA_PD. =
Then in that case I guess we should mention &#8220;NoPrefixAvail&#8221; =
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Hi and thanks for reading and commenting!

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Comments below (BV>).

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-          Bernie

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Of Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi)
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I have read this informational draft and I have couple of comments so
far.

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1.)Section 3.1

   Replace Section 17.1.3
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00#se
ction-17.1.3> : (existing errata)
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      The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a
Status
      Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the exception
      that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
      user.
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   With:
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      The client MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that
      includes a Status Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail,
      with the exception that the client MAY display the associated
      status message to the user. An Advertise message without any IA
      options MUST be ignored.

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Is this only applicable to IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT
with both IA_NA and IA_PD. Then in that case I guess we should mention
"NoPrefixAvail" as well.
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BV> It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases that end
up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the "main" part of
the message - not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. (IA_PD puts the NoPrefixAvail
Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. This is what we wish had been
specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was not.)
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2.) Section 3.6
   Proposed solution: the client should keep a single session with the
   server.  The client should continue with the IA_ options received,
   while continuing to request the other IA options in subsequent
   messages to the server.  That means continue to include the empty
   unanswered IAs in subsequent Renew and Rebind messages.
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I believe, it is possible that a particular server is willing to offer
only a subset of IA_'s which has been requested. In that case, what's
the use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be
talking to one server after the advertise is accepted.
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BV> What harm is there in continuing to include this in the subsequent
operations? If the server's policy prohibits returning addresses or
delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no harm. The main
assumption is that clients are in a single administrative domain and
thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help (except of
course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the issue is
detected early and dealt with).
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style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
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</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 24, 2012 =
11:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> dhcwg@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [dhcwg] =
Comments on =
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have read this =
informational draft and I have couple of comments so =
far.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
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3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Replace <a =
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containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the =
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client MAY display the associated status message to =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
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to the user. An Advertise message without any IA<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; options MUST =
be ignored.<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre>Is this only applicable to =
IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT with both IA_NA and IA_PD. =
Then in that case I guess we should mention &#8220;NoPrefixAvail&#8221; =
as well.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases =
that end up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the =
&#8220;main&#8221; part of the message &#8211; not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. =
(IA_PD puts the NoPrefixAvail Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. =
This is what we wish had been specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was =
not.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.)</span><![endif]> Section =
3.6<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Proposed solution: the client should keep a single session with =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
server.&nbsp; The client should continue with the IA_ options =
received,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
while continuing to request the other IA options in =
subsequent<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
messages to the server.&nbsp; That means continue to include the =
empty<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
unanswered IAs in subsequent Renew and Rebind =
messages.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre>I believe, it =
is possible that a particular server is willing to offer only a subset =
of IA_&#8217;s which has been requested. In that case, what&#8217;s the =
use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in =
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we =
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be =
talking to one server after the advertise is =
accepted.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; What harm is there in continuing to include this in the =
subsequent operations? If the server&#8217;s policy prohibits returning =
addresses or delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no =
harm. The main assumption is that clients are in a single administrative =
domain and thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help =
(except of course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the =
issue is detected early and dealt =
with).<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo3'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bernie<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>
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Hello All

Had a question on RFC 3315, Section 18.1.2 Creation and Transmission of
Confirm messages

When a client changes its configuration from dhcpv6 enabled to static, is
this considered as moving to new link and is the client required to send
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Thanks
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I would say no.  By changing from DHCPv6 Enabled to Static, it should no
longer be doing DHCP.

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 11:40 AM, a r pradeep <pradeepar@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello All
>
> Had a question on RFC 3315, Section 18.1.2 Creation and Transmission of
> Confirm messages
>
> When a client changes its configuration from dhcpv6 enabled to static, is
> this considered as moving to new link and is the client required to send
> out a Confirm message ?
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> Thanks
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This is actually extremely interesting to me. I believe there remains
even further confusion with the cited section. I will explain the
issues I ran into recently below the quoted context!

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 02:29:52PM -0500, Bernie Volz (volz) wrote:
> Comments below (BV>).
...
> 1.)Section 3.1
> 
>    Replace Section 17.1.3
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00#se
> ction-17.1.3> : (existing errata)
>
>       The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a  Status
>       Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the exception
>       that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
>       user.
>
>    With:
>
>       The client MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that
>       includes a Status Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail,
>       with the exception that the client MAY display the associated
>       status message to the user. An Advertise message without any IA
>       options MUST be ignored.
>
> Is this only applicable to IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT
> with both IA_NA and IA_PD. Then in that case I guess we should mention
> "NoPrefixAvail" as well.
>
> BV> It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases that end
> up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the "main" part of
> the message - not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. (IA_PD puts the NoPrefixAvail
> Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. This is what we wish had been
> specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was not.)

Now, here's where it gets even more convoluted:

(I don't know if deconfusing this convolutedness is in scope for this
draft, but I'd very much like any opinions/solutions from other
implementors even if it is not).

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As mentioned above, in RFC 3315, section 17.1.3, it says:

  "The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a Status
   Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the exception
   that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
   user."

and in section 17.2.2 it says:

  "If the server will not assign any addresses to any IAs in a
   subsequent Request from the client, the server MUST send an Advertise
   message to the client that includes only a Status Code option with
   code NoAddrsAvail and a status message for the user, a Server
   Identifier option with the server's DUID, and a Client Identifier
   option with the client's DUID."

In RFC 3633, section 11.2, it says:

  "If the delegating router will not assign any prefixes to any IA_PDs
   in a subsequent Request from the requesting router, the delegating
   router MUST send an Advertise message to the requesting router that
   includes the IA_PD with no prefixes in the IA_PD and a Status Code
   option in the IA_PD containing status code NoPrefixAvail ..."

This is different from IA_NA/IA_TA handling in that if you are not
going to grant leases on addresses (as opposed to prefixes), you can
omit the IA_NA/IA_TA options and just include Status Code NoAddrsAvail
at the top level.

RFC 3633 does not appear to say anything about status code in the top
level options (outside IA_PD options -- neither specifying any new
behaviour nor overriding/contradicting RFC 3315) other than in section
12.1 where it says:

  "Handling of Status Codes options in received Reply messages is
   described in section 18.1.8, "Receipt of Reply Messages" of RFC 3315.
   The NoPrefixAvail Status Code is handled in the same manner as the
   NoAddrsAvail Status Code."

... which by reference to RFC 3315 implies behaviour matching RFC 3315.
RFC 3315 section 18.1.8 does not explicitly address the use of the
Status Code option at the top level. One might assume that, then,
behaviour specified elsewhere in RFC 3315 would apply, but would that
be a correct assumption?

Reading between the lines, I might expect that since a DHCP server
MUST send IA_PD containing Status Code NoPrefixAvail when it is not
going to grant a lease on a prefix that:

 (a) that should supplant sending a Status Code at the top level, so
     one should omit Status Code in the top level options; or
 (b) another possibility is that one should also include Status Code
     at the top level, but with value NoPrefixAvail; or
 (c) one should, in fact, literally follow RFC 3315 and since no
     *addresses* will be offered, include Status Code at the top
     level with value NoAddrsAvail in spite of also including the
     IA_PD option with Status Code NoPrefixAvail.

The problem with option C is that ... let's say a Solicit contains
only an IA_PD (no IA_NA/IA_TA) and the DHCP server responds with a
valid prefix for the IA_PD option ... by a strict reading of RFC
3315 along side RFC 3633, since no *addresses* are being offered,
there should be a Status Code of NoAddrsAvail at the top level. I'm
nearly certain that that is not intended behaviour, since by a strict
reading of the two RFCs a DHCP client should then ignore the valid
IA_PD option.

What to do when the DHCP server receives IA_NA and IA_PD, does not
grant a lease on an address to the former and does grant a lease on
a prefix to the latter is even muddier. Logic suggests to me in that
case no top-level Status Code. Only one in the IA_NA option. Strict
reading of the RFCs does not *appear* to support this belief, however.

Since a compliant DHCP client must ignore messages containing Status
Code NoAddrAvail at the top level (RFC 3315), and due to the MUST on
inclusion of the IA_PD option (with Status Code NoPrefixAvail) (RFC
3633), I _suspect_ that the _intention_ is that implementations
should instead omit Status Code at the top level in this case, or
should use the value NoPrefixAvail (which seems redundant, with the
mandatory inclusion of IA_PD with its own Status Code option).

Our DHCP implementation does option C at present. I need to figure
out whether that is correct and, if not, change the implementation.

I expect this may be of interest to other implementors, too.

Regards,
Stephen
-- 
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Thanks Bernie for clarification.
=20
<snip>
I believe, it is possible that a particular server is willing to offer
only a subset of IA_'s which has been requested. In that case, what's
the use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be
talking to one server after the advertise is accepted.
=20
BV> What harm is there in continuing to include this in the subsequent
operations? If the server's policy prohibits returning addresses or
delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no harm. The main
assumption is that clients are in a single administrative domain and
thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help (except of
course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the issue is
detected early and dealt with).

</snip>

=20

[Gaurav] I don't see any harm in including not assigned IA_'s in
subsequent renew and rebind.  I wanted to clarify that with this text,
we implicitly mean that client can only be associated with one server at
a time.  So we are saying that we can not have a deployment where 2
dhcpv6 servers (one doing IA_NA and other doing IA_PD) can be present.
Also what if client first did IA_NA and at any later point of time it
wants to do IA_PD.=20

1.       Does it need to wait for the next renew time to get expired
before it can ask IA_PD along.?=20

2.       So are we saying that it should not send SOLICIT for IA_PD
anytime in between.? If we are still allowing SOLICIT, should it only
accept ADVERTISE from the server (which initially gave IA_NA)=20

=20

Thanks,

Gaurav

From: Bernie Volz (volz)=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:00 AM
To: Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi); dhcwg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Comments on
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00

=20

Hi and thanks for reading and commenting!

=20

Comments below (BV>).

=20

-          Bernie

=20

From: dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
Of Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi)
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:03 AM
To: dhcwg@ietf.org
Subject: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00

=20

I have read this informational draft and I have couple of comments so
far.

=20

1.)Section 3.1

   Replace Section 17.1.3
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00#se
ction-17.1.3> : (existing errata)
=20
=20
      The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a
Status
      Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the exception
      that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
      user.
=20
   With:
=20
=20
      The client MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that
      includes a Status Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail,
      with the exception that the client MAY display the associated
      status message to the user. An Advertise message without any IA
      options MUST be ignored.

=20

Is this only applicable to IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT
with both IA_NA and IA_PD. Then in that case I guess we should mention
"NoPrefixAvail" as well.
=20
BV> It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases that end
up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the "main" part of
the message - not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. (IA_PD puts the NoPrefixAvail
Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. This is what we wish had been
specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was not.)
=20
2.) Section 3.6
   Proposed solution: the client should keep a single session with the
   server.  The client should continue with the IA_ options received,
   while continuing to request the other IA options in subsequent
   messages to the server.  That means continue to include the empty
   unanswered IAs in subsequent Renew and Rebind messages.
=20
I believe, it is possible that a particular server is willing to offer
only a subset of IA_'s which has been requested. In that case, what's
the use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be
talking to one server after the advertise is accepted.
=20
BV> What harm is there in continuing to include this in the subsequent
operations? If the server's policy prohibits returning addresses or
delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no harm. The main
assumption is that clients are in a single administrative domain and
thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help (except of
course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the issue is
detected early and dealt with).
=20
-          Bernie

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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><pre>Thanks Bernie for =
clarification.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre>&lt;snip&=
gt;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I believe, it is possible that a particular =
server is willing to offer only a subset of IA_&#8217;s which has been =
requested. In that case, what&#8217;s the use of including the other IA_ =
in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in this case server will anyway only =
renew only one IA_. ? Are we suggesting that a client at any given point =
of time should only be talking to one server after the advertise is =
accepted.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; What harm is there in continuing to include this in the =
subsequent operations? If the server&#8217;s policy prohibits returning =
addresses or delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no =
harm. The main assumption is that clients are in a single administrative =
domain and thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help =
(except of course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the =
issue is detected early and dealt with).<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;/snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[Gaurav] I don&#8217;t =
see any harm in including not assigned IA_&#8217;s in subsequent renew =
and rebind. &nbsp;I wanted to clarify that with this text, we implicitly =
mean that client can only be associated with one server at a time.&nbsp; =
So we are saying that we can not have a deployment where 2 dhcpv6 =
servers (one doing IA_NA and other doing IA_PD) can be present.&nbsp; =
Also what if client first did IA_NA and at any later point of time it =
wants to do IA_PD. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Does it =
need to wait for the next renew time to get expired before it can ask =
IA_PD along.? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo5'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So are we =
saying that it should not send SOLICIT for IA_PD anytime in between.? If =
we are still allowing SOLICIT, should it only accept ADVERTISE from the =
server (which initially gave IA_NA) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Gaurav<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Bernie Volz (volz) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 25, 2012 1:00 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi); =
dhcwg@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [dhcwg] Comments on =
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi and thanks for reading and =
commenting!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Comments below =
(BV&gt;).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bernie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 24, 2012 =
11:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> dhcwg@ietf.org<br><b>Subject:</b> [dhcwg] =
Comments on =
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have read this =
informational draft and I have couple of comments so =
far.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo4'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.)</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Section =
3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Replace <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues=
-00#section-17.1.3">Section 17.1.3</a>: (existing =
errata)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The client =
MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a =
Status<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Code option =
containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the =
exception<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that the =
client MAY display the associated status message to =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
user.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; With:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The client =
MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; includes a =
Status Code option containing the value =
NoAddrsAvail,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with the =
exception that the client MAY display the =
associated<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; status message =
to the user. An Advertise message without any IA<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; options MUST =
be ignored.<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre>Is this only applicable to =
IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT with both IA_NA and IA_PD. =
Then in that case I guess we should mention &#8220;NoPrefixAvail&#8221; =
as well.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases =
that end up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the =
&#8220;main&#8221; part of the message &#8211; not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. =
(IA_PD puts the NoPrefixAvail Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. =
This is what we wish had been specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was =
not.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.)</span><![endif]> Section =
3.6<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Proposed solution: the client should keep a single session with =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
server.&nbsp; The client should continue with the IA_ options =
received,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
while continuing to request the other IA options in =
subsequent<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
messages to the server.&nbsp; That means continue to include the =
empty<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
unanswered IAs in subsequent Renew and Rebind =
messages.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre>I believe, it =
is possible that a particular server is willing to offer only a subset =
of IA_&#8217;s which has been requested. In that case, what&#8217;s the =
use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in =
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we =
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be =
talking to one server after the advertise is =
accepted.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; What harm is there in continuing to include this in the =
subsequent operations? If the server&#8217;s policy prohibits returning =
addresses or delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no =
harm. The main assumption is that clients are in a single administrative =
domain and thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help =
(except of course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the =
issue is detected early and dealt =
with).<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bernie<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>
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BTW - we really should be referencing
draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00. I hope that is the draft that
you looked at.

=20

> I wanted to clarify that with this text, we implicitly mean that
client can only be associated with one server at a time.=20

=20

We are pretty much saying that, per interface, a client is associated
with one server. There isn't anything to prohibit multiple servers, but
without some additional work (which I mentioned at the DHC WG meeting in
Paris) to support multiple administrative domains, it is not possible
for a client to know whether it is in ONE or MULTIPLE administrative
domains. And, in probably 99.9% of the cases, it is in a SINGLE
administrative domain. So, let's make sure that things work well in that
environment before worrying about the 0.1% (perhaps I should have said
99% and 1% based on the recent "Occupy" movements).

=20

1.       Does it need to wait for the next renew time to get expired
before it can ask IA_PD along.?=20

=20

Yes. Best practice is that it should renew early and renew what it has
and also ask for the IA_PD. But, the client may also "restart" by doing
a Solicit (for IA_NA and IA_PD) - I think the renew is best though. The
only negative with starting with the Renew is that you don't really want
to wait until T2 to find another server if the original server is down.
So we might want to think some more about whether the retransmission
rules should be different.

=20

2.       So are we saying that it should not send SOLICIT for IA_PD
anytime in between.? If we are still allowing SOLICIT, should it only
accept ADVERTISE from the server (which initially gave IA_NA)=20

=20

No - we are not disallowing this. We are saying that Renew is OK to get
new bindings. If client sends Solicit, it can accept whatever
Advertisement it likes (per the "rules" in RFC 3315/3633).=20

=20

We might need an additional section in the draft to specify this
behavior.

=20

-          Bernie

=20

From: Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi)=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 4:10 AM
To: Bernie Volz (volz); 'dhcwg@ietf.org'
Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Comments on
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00

=20

Thanks Bernie for clarification.
=20
<snip>
I believe, it is possible that a particular server is willing to offer
only a subset of IA_'s which has been requested. In that case, what's
the use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be
talking to one server after the advertise is accepted.
=20
BV> What harm is there in continuing to include this in the subsequent
operations? If the server's policy prohibits returning addresses or
delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no harm. The main
assumption is that clients are in a single administrative domain and
thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help (except of
course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the issue is
detected early and dealt with).

</snip>

=20

[Gaurav] I don't see any harm in including not assigned IA_'s in
subsequent renew and rebind.  I wanted to clarify that with this text,
we implicitly mean that client can only be associated with one server at
a time.  So we are saying that we can not have a deployment where 2
dhcpv6 servers (one doing IA_NA and other doing IA_PD) can be present.
Also what if client first did IA_NA and at any later point of time it
wants to do IA_PD.=20

1.       Does it need to wait for the next renew time to get expired
before it can ask IA_PD along.?=20

2.       So are we saying that it should not send SOLICIT for IA_PD
anytime in between.? If we are still allowing SOLICIT, should it only
accept ADVERTISE from the server (which initially gave IA_NA)=20

=20

Thanks,

Gaurav

From: Bernie Volz (volz)=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 1:00 AM
To: Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi); dhcwg@ietf.org
Subject: RE: [dhcwg] Comments on
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00

=20

Hi and thanks for reading and commenting!

=20

Comments below (BV>).

=20

-          Bernie

=20

From: dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
Of Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi)
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:03 AM
To: dhcwg@ietf.org
Subject: [dhcwg] Comments on draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00

=20

I have read this informational draft and I have couple of comments so
far.

=20

1.)Section 3.1

   Replace Section 17.1.3
<http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00#se
ction-17.1.3> : (existing errata)
=20
=20
      The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a
Status
      Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the exception
      that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
      user.
=20
   With:
=20
=20
      The client MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that
      includes a Status Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail,
      with the exception that the client MAY display the associated
      status message to the user. An Advertise message without any IA
      options MUST be ignored.

=20

Is this only applicable to IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT
with both IA_NA and IA_PD. Then in that case I guess we should mention
"NoPrefixAvail" as well.
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BV> It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases that end
up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the "main" part of
the message - not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. (IA_PD puts the NoPrefixAvail
Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. This is what we wish had been
specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was not.)
=20
2.) Section 3.6
   Proposed solution: the client should keep a single session with the
   server.  The client should continue with the IA_ options received,
   while continuing to request the other IA options in subsequent
   messages to the server.  That means continue to include the empty
   unanswered IAs in subsequent Renew and Rebind messages.
=20
I believe, it is possible that a particular server is willing to offer
only a subset of IA_'s which has been requested. In that case, what's
the use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be
talking to one server after the advertise is accepted.
=20
BV> What harm is there in continuing to include this in the subsequent
operations? If the server's policy prohibits returning addresses or
delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no harm. The main
assumption is that clients are in a single administrative domain and
thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help (except of
course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the issue is
detected early and dealt with).
=20
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vlink=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>BTW &#8211; we really should be referencing =
draft-ietf-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00. I hope that is the draft that =
you looked at.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&gt;</span><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'> I wanted to clarify that with this text, we =
implicitly mean that client can only be associated with one server at a =
time.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We are pretty much =
saying that, per interface, a client is associated with one server. =
There isn&#8217;t anything to prohibit multiple servers, but without =
some additional work (which I mentioned at the DHC WG meeting in Paris) =
to support multiple administrative domains, it is not possible for a =
client to know whether it is in ONE or MULTIPLE administrative domains. =
And, in probably 99.9% of the cases, it is in a SINGLE administrative =
domain. So, let&#8217;s make sure that things work well in that =
environment before worrying about the 0.1% (perhaps I should have said =
99% and 1% based on the recent &#8220;Occupy&#8221; =
movements).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Does it =
need to wait for the next renew time to get expired before it can ask =
IA_PD along.? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Yes. Best practice is =
that it should renew early and renew what it has and also ask for the =
IA_PD. But, the client may also &#8220;restart&#8221; by doing a Solicit =
(for IA_NA and IA_PD) &#8211; I think the renew is best though. The only =
negative with starting with the Renew is that you don&#8217;t really =
want to wait until T2 to find another server if the original server is =
down. So we might want to think some more about whether the =
retransmission rules should be different.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 =
lfo2'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So are we =
saying that it should not send SOLICIT for IA_PD anytime in between.? If =
we are still allowing SOLICIT, should it only accept ADVERTISE from the =
server (which initially gave IA_NA) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>No &#8211; we are not =
disallowing this. We are saying that Renew is OK to get new bindings. If =
client sends Solicit, it can accept whatever Advertisement it likes (per =
the &#8220;rules&#8221; in RFC 3315/3633). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>We might need an =
additional section in the draft to specify this =
behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l2 level1 =
lfo8'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bernie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 25, 2012 4:10 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Bernie Volz (volz); 'dhcwg@ietf.org'<br><b>Subject:</b> =
RE: [dhcwg] Comments on =
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><pre>Thanks Bernie for =
clarification.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre>&lt;snip&=
gt;<o:p></o:p></pre><pre>I believe, it is possible that a particular =
server is willing to offer only a subset of IA_&#8217;s which has been =
requested. In that case, what&#8217;s the use of including the other IA_ =
in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in this case server will anyway only =
renew only one IA_. ? Are we suggesting that a client at any given point =
of time should only be talking to one server after the advertise is =
accepted.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; What harm is there in continuing to include this in the =
subsequent operations? If the server&#8217;s policy prohibits returning =
addresses or delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no =
harm. The main assumption is that clients are in a single administrative =
domain and thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help =
(except of course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the =
issue is detected early and dealt with).<o:p></o:p></span></pre><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>&lt;/snip&gt;<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>[Gaurav] I don&#8217;t =
see any harm in including not assigned IA_&#8217;s in subsequent renew =
and rebind. &nbsp;I wanted to clarify that with this text, we implicitly =
mean that client can only be associated with one server at a time.&nbsp; =
So we are saying that we can not have a deployment where 2 dhcpv6 =
servers (one doing IA_NA and other doing IA_PD) can be present.&nbsp; =
Also what if client first did IA_NA and at any later point of time it =
wants to do IA_PD. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 =
lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Does it =
need to wait for the next renew time to get expired before it can ask =
IA_PD along.? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:1.0in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l4 level1 =
lfo7'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>So are we =
saying that it should not send SOLICIT for IA_PD anytime in between.? If =
we are still allowing SOLICIT, should it only accept ADVERTISE from the =
server (which initially gave IA_NA) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Gaurav<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Bernie Volz (volz) <br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, May 25, 2012 1:00 =
AM<br><b>To:</b> Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi); <a =
href=3D"mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org">dhcwg@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> RE: =
[dhcwg] Comments on =
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Hi and thanks for reading and =
commenting!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Comments below =
(BV&gt;).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoListParagraph style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Bernie<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
<a href=3D"mailto:dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org">dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org</a> <a =
href=3D"mailto:[mailto:dhcwg-bounces@ietf.org]">[mailto:dhcwg-bounces@iet=
f.org]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Gaurav Halwasia =
(ghalwasi)<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:dhcwg@ietf.org">dhcwg@ietf.org</a><br><b>Subject:</b> =
[dhcwg] Comments on =
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>I have read this =
informational draft and I have couple of comments so =
far.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 lfo6'><![if =
!supportLists]><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>1.)</span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier New"'>Section =
3.1<o:p></o:p></span></p><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Replace <a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues=
-00#section-17.1.3">Section 17.1.3</a>: (existing =
errata)<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The client =
MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a =
Status<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Code option =
containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the =
exception<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; that the =
client MAY display the associated status message to =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
user.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; With:<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The client =
MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; includes a =
Status Code option containing the value =
NoAddrsAvail,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; with the =
exception that the client MAY display the =
associated<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; status message =
to the user. An Advertise message without any IA<o:p></o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; options MUST =
be ignored.<o:p></o:p></pre><p class=3DMsoListParagraph><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Courier =
New"'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><pre>Is this only applicable to =
IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends SOLICIT with both IA_NA and IA_PD. =
Then in that case I guess we should mention &#8220;NoPrefixAvail&#8221; =
as well.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases =
that end up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the =
&#8220;main&#8221; part of the message &#8211; not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. =
(IA_PD puts the NoPrefixAvail Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. =
This is what we wish had been specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was =
not.)<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l3 level1 =
lfo6'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>2.)</span><![endif]> Section =
3.6<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
Proposed solution: the client should keep a single session with =
the<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
server.&nbsp; The client should continue with the IA_ options =
received,<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
while continuing to request the other IA options in =
subsequent<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
messages to the server.&nbsp; That means continue to include the =
empty<o:p></o:p></pre><pre style=3D'margin-left:.5in'>&nbsp;&nbsp; =
unanswered IAs in subsequent Renew and Rebind =
messages.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre>I believe, it =
is possible that a particular server is willing to offer only a subset =
of IA_&#8217;s which has been requested. In that case, what&#8217;s the =
use of including the other IA_ in the subsequent renew/rebind. As in =
this case server will anyway only renew only one IA_. ? Are we =
suggesting that a client at any given point of time should only be =
talking to one server after the advertise is =
accepted.<o:p></o:p></pre><pre><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>BV&gt; What harm is there in continuing to include this in the =
subsequent operations? If the server&#8217;s policy prohibits returning =
addresses or delegated prefixes for these other IA types, there is no =
harm. The main assumption is that clients are in a single administrative =
domain and thus talking to another server will be unlikely to help =
(except of course in the case of misconfiguration, but better that the =
issue is detected early and dealt =
with).<o:p></o:p></span></pre><pre><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre><pre =
style=3D'margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l1 level1 =
lfo4'><![if !supportLists]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><span style=3D'mso-list:Ignore'>-<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New =
Roman"'>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; =
</span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Bernie<o:p></o:p></span></pre></div></body></html>
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If a client requests both IA_NA and IA_PD, here is what our server
(Cisco Prime Network Registrar does):

- If neither are possible:
	- Top level option has Status Code with NoAddrsAvail
	- IA_PA has Status Code with NoPrefixAvail
- If only IA_NA possible:
	- IA_NA has binding information
	- IA_PD has Status Code with NoPrefixAvail
- If only IA_PD possible:
	- Top level option has Status Code with NoAddrsAvail
	- IA_PD has binding information

My read of RFC 3315 says that the above is correct with respect to
IA_NA/IA_TA. (Note that you can replace IA_NA with IA_TA in the above,
or add IA_TA.) BTW, you would NEVER include NoAddrsAvail if no
IA_NA/IA_TA options.

My read of RFC 3633 says that the above is correct with respect to
IA_PD.

A client should only treat a message with Status Code with NoAddrsAvail
to have "failed" with respect to IA_NA/IA_TA. Not, IA_PD. This is
exactly what we are suggesting the behavior to be in the draft.

While I agree that this Status Code difference is rather odd and I had
pushed for moving the Status Code with NoAddrsAvail into the IA_NA/TA
options at the time of RFC 3315, but it didn't happen. (Think of the
case where IA_NA and IA_TA are included but server only gives out IA_NA
... in this case, in Advertise IA_NA has bindings and IA_TA is empty.
That seemed a bit weird to me - if empty (no bindings) was OK, why did
we need a Status Code? And why only report the status if ALL IA_NA/IA_TA
fail? I think RFC 3633 got it right as to where the status should be.)

And, I think it too late to change this because it would likely break
many existing client implementations (such as those that only do
IA_NA/TA). We considered this when writing the ID, but felt it too
dangerous to existing implements to propose such a change (to move
NoAddrsAvail into IA_NA/IA_TA instead of at top level).

BTW: I can't say how well the above server implementation plays with all
clients because frankly it is likely not that usual for a client to
request IA_NA/TA and IA_PD and have a server that only supports one. I
can say we haven't heard of any complaints and the server is in use for
DHCPv6 in a lot of places.


You statement:

>Since a compliant DHCP client must ignore messages containing Status
Code NoAddrAvail at the top level (RFC 3315),

This is, IMHO, only with respect to the IA options specified in RFC
3315.

- Bernie

-----Original Message-----
From: Stephen Jacob [mailto:Stephen.Jacob@nominum.com]=20
Sent: Friday, May 25, 2012 2:38 AM
To: Bernie Volz (volz)
Cc: Gaurav Halwasia (ghalwasi); dhcwg@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [dhcwg] Comments on
draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00

This is actually extremely interesting to me. I believe there remains
even further confusion with the cited section. I will explain the issues
I ran into recently below the quoted context!

On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 02:29:52PM -0500, Bernie Volz (volz) wrote:
> Comments below (BV>).
...
> 1.)Section 3.1
>=20
>    Replace Section 17.1.3
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-troan-dhc-dhcpv6-stateful-issues-00#
> se
> ction-17.1.3> : (existing errata)
>
>       The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a
Status
>       Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the
exception
>       that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
>       user.
>
>    With:
>
>       The client MUST ignore any IAs in an Advertise message that
>       includes a Status Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail,
>       with the exception that the client MAY display the associated
>       status message to the user. An Advertise message without any IA
>       options MUST be ignored.
>
> Is this only applicable to IA_NA.? I guess in case client sends=20
> SOLICIT with both IA_NA and IA_PD. Then in that case I guess we should

> mention "NoPrefixAvail" as well.
>
> BV> It is applicable to IA_NA and IA_TA as those are the cases that=20
> BV> end
> up with the Status Code option of NoAddsAvailable in the "main" part=20
> of the message - not in each IA_NA/IA_TA. (IA_PD puts the=20
> NoPrefixAvail Status Code option in the IA_PD itself. This is what we=20
> wish had been specified for IA_NA/IA_TA but was not.)

Now, here's where it gets even more convoluted:

(I don't know if deconfusing this convolutedness is in scope for this
draft, but I'd very much like any opinions/solutions from other
implementors even if it is not).

-----

As mentioned above, in RFC 3315, section 17.1.3, it says:

  "The client MUST ignore any Advertise message that includes a Status
   Code option containing the value NoAddrsAvail, with the exception
   that the client MAY display the associated status message to the
   user."

and in section 17.2.2 it says:

  "If the server will not assign any addresses to any IAs in a
   subsequent Request from the client, the server MUST send an Advertise
   message to the client that includes only a Status Code option with
   code NoAddrsAvail and a status message for the user, a Server
   Identifier option with the server's DUID, and a Client Identifier
   option with the client's DUID."

In RFC 3633, section 11.2, it says:

  "If the delegating router will not assign any prefixes to any IA_PDs
   in a subsequent Request from the requesting router, the delegating
   router MUST send an Advertise message to the requesting router that
   includes the IA_PD with no prefixes in the IA_PD and a Status Code
   option in the IA_PD containing status code NoPrefixAvail ..."

This is different from IA_NA/IA_TA handling in that if you are not going
to grant leases on addresses (as opposed to prefixes), you can omit the
IA_NA/IA_TA options and just include Status Code NoAddrsAvail at the top
level.

RFC 3633 does not appear to say anything about status code in the top
level options (outside IA_PD options -- neither specifying any new
behaviour nor overriding/contradicting RFC 3315) other than in section
12.1 where it says:

  "Handling of Status Codes options in received Reply messages is
   described in section 18.1.8, "Receipt of Reply Messages" of RFC 3315.
   The NoPrefixAvail Status Code is handled in the same manner as the
   NoAddrsAvail Status Code."

... which by reference to RFC 3315 implies behaviour matching RFC 3315.
RFC 3315 section 18.1.8 does not explicitly address the use of the
Status Code option at the top level. One might assume that, then,
behaviour specified elsewhere in RFC 3315 would apply, but would that be
a correct assumption?

Reading between the lines, I might expect that since a DHCP server MUST
send IA_PD containing Status Code NoPrefixAvail when it is not going to
grant a lease on a prefix that:

 (a) that should supplant sending a Status Code at the top level, so
     one should omit Status Code in the top level options; or
 (b) another possibility is that one should also include Status Code
     at the top level, but with value NoPrefixAvail; or
 (c) one should, in fact, literally follow RFC 3315 and since no
     *addresses* will be offered, include Status Code at the top
     level with value NoAddrsAvail in spite of also including the
     IA_PD option with Status Code NoPrefixAvail.

The problem with option C is that ... let's say a Solicit contains only
an IA_PD (no IA_NA/IA_TA) and the DHCP server responds with a valid
prefix for the IA_PD option ... by a strict reading of RFC
3315 along side RFC 3633, since no *addresses* are being offered, there
should be a Status Code of NoAddrsAvail at the top level. I'm nearly
certain that that is not intended behaviour, since by a strict reading
of the two RFCs a DHCP client should then ignore the valid IA_PD option.

What to do when the DHCP server receives IA_NA and IA_PD, does not grant
a lease on an address to the former and does grant a lease on a prefix
to the latter is even muddier. Logic suggests to me in that case no
top-level Status Code. Only one in the IA_NA option. Strict reading of
the RFCs does not *appear* to support this belief, however.

Since a compliant DHCP client must ignore messages containing Status
Code NoAddrAvail at the top level (RFC 3315), and due to the MUST on
inclusion of the IA_PD option (with Status Code NoPrefixAvail) (RFC
3633), I _suspect_ that the _intention_ is that implementations should
instead omit Status Code at the top level in this case, or should use
the value NoPrefixAvail (which seems redundant, with the mandatory
inclusion of IA_PD with its own Status Code option).

Our DHCP implementation does option C at present. I need to figure out
whether that is correct and, if not, change the implementation.

I expect this may be of interest to other implementors, too.

Regards,
Stephen
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