From mailman-owner@ietf.org Tue Feb 1 05:05:48 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA09439 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:05:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA19825 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:04:24 -0500 (EST) Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 05:04:24 -0500 (EST) From: mailman-owner@ietf.org Message-Id: <200002011004.FAA19825@optimus.ietf.org> Subject: ietf.org mailing list memberships reminder To: diffserv-archive@optimus.ietf.org X-No-Archive: yes Precedence: bulk X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your ietf.org mailing list memberships. It includes your subscription info and how to use it to change it or unsubscribe from a list. 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Passwords for diffserv-archive@optimus.ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- diffserv@ietf.org tYMg http://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/diffserv/diffserv-archive@optimus.ietf.org From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Tue Feb 1 15:08:46 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA01050 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:08:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19914; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:21:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19885 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:21:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-mailhub-2.cisco.com (sj-mailhub-2.cisco.com [171.69.43.88]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA29823 for ; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from rhino (rhino.cisco.com [172.20.9.57]) by sj-mailhub-2.cisco.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA16610; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:25:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from p7020-img-nt (fred-hm-dhcp1.cisco.com [171.69.128.116]) by rhino (SMI-8.6/CISCO.WS.1.1) with SMTP id LAA24844; Tue, 1 Feb 2000 11:26:44 -0800 Message-Id: <4.1.20000201111739.01a53aa0@flipper.cisco.com> X-Sender: fred@flipper.cisco.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.1 Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:20:46 -0800 To: Maria Elena Villapol From: Fred Baker Cc: RSVP , diffserv In-Reply-To: <38950FB1.6BEECF02@spri.levels.unisa.edu.au> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: [Diffserv] Re: IETF Meeting Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org At 02:59 PM 1/31/00 +1030, Maria Elena Villapol wrote: > > How could we get the work group scheduling (agenda) for the meeting? Are you on ietf-announce@ietf.org? If not, send a note to ietf-announce-request@ietf.org, and you should start receiving announcements of internet drafts, meetings, and the like. The agendas of the diff-serv and rsvp meetings should be posted on the diff-serv and rsvp mailing lists you can also find more meeting information at www.ietf.org, and more specifically, http://www.ietf.org/meetings/IETF-47.html. The agenda is not posted there as yet, but should be within the next few weeks. _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Thu Feb 3 15:05:19 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA28583 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 15:05:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09134; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:51:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09047 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 13:51:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from caesar.appiancom.com (mail.appiancom.com [146.115.35.70]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20405 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:26:39 -0500 (EST) Received: by CAESAR with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1FWHTJWS>; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:35:05 -0500 Message-ID: From: Yonghong Ren To: "'diffserv@ietf.org'" Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 10:35:03 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01BF6E5C.3E21FE48" Subject: [Diffserv] Apologies -- Re: Check this Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF6E5C.3E21FE48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Hello everyone. I was hit by a virus hidden in a mail I received from someone I actually know. The virus replicated itself to every address in my Microsoft Outlook Address Book, which unfortunately contained several mailing list addresses, including DiffServ's. If you see a mail with "Check this" subject line, please delete it right away! Don't open the attachment! If you did open the attachment and your computer runs the wonderful Microsoft Windows, please do the following to clean the virus out: * search your local hard disks for RUNDLL.VBS and LINKS.VBS and remove them. (Should be in Windows\system32 or WinNT\system32) * search Windows Registry for RUNDLL.VBS and remove the entry. (You need to run regedit to do this.) I can't express how sorry I am for the trouble I caused. I offer my sincerest apologies to you all! Thank you. Ren Yonghong Ren Yonghong Appian Communications, Inc. ren@appiancom.com 978 929-9098 x131 ------_=_NextPart_001_01BF6E5C.3E21FE48 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

Hello everyone.

I was hit by a virus hidden in a mail I received from someone I actually know. The virus replicated itself to every address in my Microsoft Outlook Address Book, which unfortunately contained several mailing list addresses, including DiffServ's.

If you see a mail with "Check this" subject line, please delete it right away! Don't open the attachment!

If you did open the attachment and your computer runs the wonderful Microsoft Windows, please do the following to clean the virus out:

  • search your local hard disks for RUNDLL.VBS and LINKS.VBS and remove them. (Should be in Windows\system32 or WinNT\system32)
  •  search Windows Registry for RUNDLL.VBS and remove the entry. (You need to run regedit to do this.)

I can't express how sorry I am for the trouble I caused. I offer my sincerest apologies to you all!

Thank you.

Ren Yonghong
Ren Yonghong
Appian Communications, Inc.
978 929-9098 x131
 
------_=_NextPart_001_01BF6E5C.3E21FE48-- _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Thu Feb 3 21:47:38 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA04929 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:47:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29758; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:22:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA29737 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:22:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from wingate.calynet.com (216-200-28-155.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.28.155]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA03724 for ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:24:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIL-CLUSTER.calynet.com (exch-node-a.calynet.com [192.168.0.10]) by wingate.calynet.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Z63X456Y; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:25:28 -0800 Received: by mail-cluster.calynet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:14:17 -0800 Message-ID: <636C2D109E6CD3119C3600062905FE8F08606A@mail-cluster.calynet.com> From: Mudassir Tufail To: diffserv@ietf.org Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 18:14:12 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Diffserv] forwarding & aggregating of AF classes (RFC2597) Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Hello Some questions raised in my mind while reading the second paragraph in section 2.0 of RFC2597 which says: "A DS node SHOULD implement all four general use AF classes. Packets in one AF class MUST be forwarded independently from packets in another AF class, i.e., a DS node MUST NOT aggregate two or more AF classes together." 1) Does it exclude the possibility of having AF classes being "relatively" forwarded? For example AF1x class being forwarded with two times lesser delay than class AF2x. In this case, packets of AF1x class are not being forwarded independently from packets of AF2x class. Does it not violate the requirement (of independent forwarding) quoted above? 2) If I remember correct, there have been a discussion on the list for mapping many DSCPs to a single PHB (in case if a node imlpements fewer PHBs). This behavior of node does not make it DS non-compliant (correct me if it is wrong). Is it not the case of aggregating two or more AF classes together (i.e. a possible violation of the above quote)? Thank you, Mudassir Tufail _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 4 09:50:43 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA28825 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 09:50:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24675; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:56:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA24643 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:55:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from lohi.eng.telia.fi (root@lohi.eng.telia.fi [195.10.149.18]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA26565 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 08:57:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jh@localhost) by lohi.eng.telia.fi (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian 8.9.3-6) id PAA13961; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:57:14 +0200 From: Juha Heinanen MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14490.55994.831334.873236@lohi.eng.telia.fi> Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 15:57:14 +0200 (EET) To: Mudassir Tufail Cc: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: [Diffserv] forwarding & aggregating of AF classes (RFC2597) In-Reply-To: <636C2D109E6CD3119C3600062905FE8F08606A@mail-cluster.calynet.com> References: <636C2D109E6CD3119C3600062905FE8F08606A@mail-cluster.calynet.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.75 under Emacs 19.34.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mudassir Tufail writes: > "A DS node SHOULD implement all four general use AF classes. Packets in one > AF class MUST be forwarded independently from packets in another AF class, > i.e., a DS node MUST NOT aggregate two or more AF classes together." > 1) Does it exclude the possibility of having AF classes being "relatively" > forwarded? i don't read it that way. the "i.e." part tries to interpret what the earlier part of the sentence says and that doesn't prevent relative allocation of resources. the only requirement regarding resource allocation is A DS node MUST allocate a configurable, minimum amount of forwarding resources (buffer space and bandwidth) to each implemented AF class. Each class SHOULD be serviced in a manner to achieve the configured service rate (bandwidth) over both small and large time scales. and a minimun amount of forwarding resources can be calculated from a relative weight. > 2) If I remember correct, there have been a discussion on the list for > mapping many DSCPs to a single PHB (in case if a node imlpements fewer > PHBs). This behavior of node does not make it DS non-compliant (correct me > if it is wrong). Is it not the case of aggregating two or more AF classes > together (i.e. a possible violation of the above quote)? a node SHOULD implement all four classes, but if it doesn't, it still is not allowed to aggregate two classes together. -- juha _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 4 11:43:26 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA02274 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:43:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00976; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:50:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA00942 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:50:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.iitb.ac.in (mailhost.iitb.ac.in [202.54.44.115]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id KAA00742 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4921 invoked from network); 4 Feb 2000 16:09:29 -0000 Received: from surya.cse.iitb.ernet.in (144.16.111.14) by mailhost.iitb.ac.in with SMTP; 4 Feb 2000 16:09:29 -0000 Received: from everest.cse.iitb.ernet.in (dhiman@everest [144.16.111.4]) by surya.cse.iitb.ernet.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA18275 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:22:55 +0530 (IST) Received: (from dhiman@localhost) by everest.cse.iitb.ernet.in (8.9.2/8.9.2) id VAA11934 for diffserv@ietf.org; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:21:04 +0530 (GMT) Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 21:21:04 +0530 From: Dhiman Barman To: diffserv@ietf.org Message-ID: <20000204212104.A10176@cse.iitb.ernet.in> Reply-To: dhiman@cse.iitb.ernet.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Subject: [Diffserv] bits Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Hi, What I could understand is that a filter of a queueing discipline decides which class a packet should go to looking at the DSCP cde point. Now can some one correct me, what happens if the DSCP bits are not set while a packet enters a DS domain. Who guides the setting of the bits ? Thanks, Dhiman _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 4 14:20:19 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA06927 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:20:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07692; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:13:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA07660 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:13:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wingate.calynet.com (216-200-28-155.snj0.flashcom.net [216.200.28.155]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA05388 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 13:14:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from MAIL-CLUSTER.calynet.com (exch-node-a.calynet.com [192.168.0.10]) by wingate.calynet.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id Z63X463P; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:16:12 -0800 Received: by mail-cluster.calynet.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:04:59 -0800 Message-ID: <636C2D109E6CD3119C3600062905FE8F08606C@mail-cluster.calynet.com> From: Mudassir Tufail To: "'dhiman@cse.iitb.ernet.in'" Cc: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Diffserv] bits Date: Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:04:58 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Ingress node of DS domain may perform MF classification to classify an unmarked packet. The policy of the DS domain determines the value of DSCP with which the packet should then be marked. Mudassir > -----Original Message----- > From: Dhiman Barman [mailto:dhiman@cse.iitb.ernet.in] > Sent: Friday, February 04, 2000 7:51 AM > To: diffserv@ietf.org > Subject: [Diffserv] bits > > > Hi, > What I could understand is that a filter of a queueing discipline > decides which class a packet should go to looking at the DSCP cde > point. Now can some one correct me, what happens if the DSCP bits > are not set while a packet enters a DS domain. Who guides the setting > of the bits ? > > Thanks, > Dhiman > > _______________________________________________ > diffserv mailing list > diffserv@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ > _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 4 19:00:44 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA12994 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 19:00:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15889; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:14:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA15860 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:14:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA12528 for ; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:16:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA126576; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:15:34 GMT Received: from hursley.ibm.com (gsine01.us.sine.ibm.com [9.14.6.41]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id XAA13464; Fri, 4 Feb 2000 23:15:32 GMT Message-ID: <389B5AB2.33757ACD@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 04 Feb 2000 17:03:14 -0600 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: dhiman@cse.iitb.ernet.in CC: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] bits References: <20000204212104.A10176@cse.iitb.ernet.in> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dhiman, This is described in RFC 2475 Brian Dhiman Barman wrote: > > Hi, > What I could understand is that a filter of a queueing discipline > decides which class a packet should go to looking at the DSCP cde > point. Now can some one correct me, what happens if the DSCP bits > are not set while a packet enters a DS domain. Who guides the setting > of the bits ? > > Thanks, > Dhiman > > _______________________________________________ > diffserv mailing list > diffserv@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ -- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Brian E Carpenter (IAB Chair) Program Director, Internet Standards & Technology, IBM On assignment for IBM at http://www.iCAIR.org Attend INET 2000: http://www.isoc.org/inet2000 Non-IBM email: brian@icair.org _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Sat Feb 5 02:41:45 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA02182 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05666; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:05:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id CAA05635 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:05:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.iitb.ac.in (mailhost.iitb.ac.in [202.54.44.115]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id CAA29889 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 02:07:01 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 17515 invoked from network); 5 Feb 2000 07:25:04 -0000 Received: from surya.cse.iitb.ernet.in (144.16.111.14) by mailhost.iitb.ac.in with SMTP; 5 Feb 2000 07:25:04 -0000 Received: from everest.cse.iitb.ernet.in (dhiman@everest [144.16.111.4]) by surya.cse.iitb.ernet.in (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA02235 for ; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:38:27 +0530 (IST) Received: (from dhiman@localhost) by everest.cse.iitb.ernet.in (8.9.2/8.9.2) id MAA04561 for diffserv@ietf.org; Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:36:37 +0530 (GMT) Date: Sat, 5 Feb 2000 12:36:36 +0530 From: Dhiman Barman To: diffserv@ietf.org Message-ID: <20000205123636.A4075@cse.iitb.ernet.in> Reply-To: dhiman@cse.iitb.ernet.in Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i Subject: [Diffserv] utilities Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Hi All, I want to see the utilities that come with diffserv patches. I mean to say, we can test the perl scripts for testing the ds features. Now where is the application or interface which takes in the various high level commands like add dev .. and so on and play the QoS related tasks. Thanks, Dhiman _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Mon Feb 7 09:38:55 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA10899 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 09:38:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17169; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:47:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id IAA17136 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:47:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA08486 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 08:48:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA140544 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:48:27 GMT Received: from hursley.ibm.com (gsine04.us.sine.ibm.com [9.14.6.44]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id NAA16820 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 13:48:26 GMT Message-ID: <389D9ABF.F28A4F48@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Sun, 06 Feb 2000 10:01:03 -0600 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diff Serv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Diffserv] Adelaide sessions Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Diffservers, The diffserv sessions in Adelaide will be MONDAY, March 27, 2000 1530-1730 TUESDAY, March 28, 2000 1300-1400 Brian Carpenter diffserv co-chair _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Mon Feb 7 22:31:30 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA27442 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:31:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15700; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:01:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA15664 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:01:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from inetfw.sonycsl.co.jp (inetfw.SonyCSL.Co.Jp [203.137.129.4]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA26793 for ; Mon, 7 Feb 2000 22:02:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (root@hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp [43.27.98.57]) by inetfw.sonycsl.co.jp (8.9.3+3.2W/3.7Ws3/inetfw/2000012200) with ESMTP id MAA67792 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:02:07 +0900 (JST) Received: from localhost (kjc@[127.0.0.1]) by hotaka.csl.sony.co.jp (8.8.8/3.7Ws3/hotaka/99101212) with ESMTP id MAA13610 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:02:06 +0900 (JST) To: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] TSWTCM - Action from Washington IETF In-Reply-To: <200001122232.RAA25876@ietf.org> References: <200001122232.RAA25876@ietf.org> X-Mailer: Mew version 1.95b3 on Emacs 20.5 / Mule 4.0 (HANANOEN) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <20000208120206B.kjc@csl.sony.co.jp> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 12:02:06 +0900 From: Kenjiro Cho X-Dispatcher: imput version 991025(IM133) Lines: 23 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Nabil Seddigh wrote: > As a side note, by the end of this month, the TSWTCM will be available > in BSD's ALTQ (thanks to Kenjiro Cho) and in Linux Diffserv > (thanks to Jamal Hadi Salim). TSWTCM is added to ALTQ, and available for FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD through KAME IPv6 snap-kit. (ALTQ is being developed under the KAME CVS repository so that TSWTCM isn't in the ALTQ release yet.) KAME http://www.kame.net/ ALTQ http://www.csl.sony.co.jp/~kjc/software.html I should add that implementing TSWTCM was straightforward, and probabilistic marking seems to be able to achieve the rate close to the target rate (over enough number of samples). Please direct further discussion on implementation issues to dsimplementation@atnf.CSIRO.AU or to diffserv-interest@external.cisco.com. -Kenjiro _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Tue Feb 8 10:30:56 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27202 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:30:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10130; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:51:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA10098 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:51:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.110]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA24572 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 09:52:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from lt.eth.ericsson.se (lt.eth.ericsson.se [164.48.158.205]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.5) with ESMTP id PAA26961 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:52:43 +0100 (MET) Received: from eth.ericsson.se by lt.eth.ericsson.se (8.8.8+Sun/SMI-SVR4) id PAA26319; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 15:52:41 +0100 (MET) Message-ID: <38A02DB7.BCAD1C8D@eth.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:52:39 +0100 From: Tamas Varga Organization: Technical University of Budapest / ERICSSON Hungary X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: hu, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Diffserv] INET-ENDPOINT-MIB reference in Diffserv MIB Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dear DIFFSERVers, would you inform me where do I find the definitions for INET-ENDPOINT-MIB? I searched among RFCs and some drafts but I could not find the MIB referenced in the IMPORT section of diffserv-mib-01.txt. Please give me a pointer to this document. Best regards, Tom Varga DIFF-SERV-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN IMPORTS Unsigned32, Counter32, Counter64, OBJECT-TYPE, MODULE-IDENTITY, zeroDotZero, mib-2 FROM SNMPv2-SMI TEXTUAL-CONVENTION, RowStatus, RowPointer, TestAndIncr FROM SNMPv2-TC MODULE-COMPLIANCE, OBJECT-GROUP FROM SNMPv2-CONF ifIndex FROM IF-MIB; InetEndpointType, InetEndpoint FROM INET-ENDPOINT-MIB; -------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ -- Tamas VARGA - PhD Student Technical University of Budapest phone: +36-1-437-7087 High Speed Networks Laboratory http://hsnlab.ttt.bme.hu/~varga ERICSSON Hungary, Traffic Lab mailto:Tamas.Varga.II@eth.ericsson.se _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Tue Feb 8 11:07:14 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA29385 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 11:07:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12203; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:29:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA12169 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:29:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from southpass.baynetworks.com (ns2.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.3.16]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA27308 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:31:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (h016d.s86b1.BayNetworks.COM [134.177.1.109]) by southpass.baynetworks.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA14083; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 07:23:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com [192.32.61.6]) by mailhost.BayNetworks.COM (8.9.1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id GAA01148; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:23:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from aoife (dhcp223-121 [192.32.223.121]) by pobox.engeast.BayNetworks.COM (SMI-8.6/BNET-97/04/24-S) with SMTP id KAA07047; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 10:30:13 -0500 for Message-Id: <3.0.32.20000208102046.00d8ed10@pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com> X-Sender: khchan@pobox.engeast.baynetworks.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0 (32) Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:20:46 -0500 To: Tamas Varga From: Kwok Ho Chan Subject: Re: [Diffserv] INET-ENDPOINT-MIB reference in Diffserv MIB Cc: diffserv@ietf.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Tom: The INET-ENDPOINT-MIB has been changed to INET-ADDRESS-MIB. Its reference is in draft-ops-endpoint-mib-06.txt. This change is reflected in draft-ietf-diffserv-mib-02.txt, currently under review by the co-authors. -- Kwok -- At 03:52 PM 2/8/00 +0100, Tamas Varga wrote: >Dear DIFFSERVers, >would you inform me where do I find the definitions for INET-ENDPOINT-MIB? >I searched among RFCs and some drafts but I could not find the MIB >referenced in the IMPORT section of diffserv-mib-01.txt. Please give me >a pointer to this document. >Best regards, >Tom Varga > > > DIFF-SERV-MIB DEFINITIONS ::= BEGIN > IMPORTS > Unsigned32, Counter32, Counter64, OBJECT-TYPE, > MODULE-IDENTITY, zeroDotZero, mib-2 FROM SNMPv2-SMI > TEXTUAL-CONVENTION, RowStatus, RowPointer, TestAndIncr > FROM SNMPv2-TC > MODULE-COMPLIANCE, OBJECT-GROUP FROM SNMPv2-CONF > ifIndex FROM IF-MIB; > InetEndpointType, InetEndpoint FROM INET-ENDPOINT-MIB; > -------------------------------------------------------^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > >-- >Tamas VARGA - PhD Student > Technical University of Budapest phone: +36-1-437-7087 > High Speed Networks Laboratory http://hsnlab.ttt.bme.hu/~varga > ERICSSON Hungary, Traffic Lab mailto:Tamas.Varga.II@eth.ericsson.se > >_______________________________________________ >diffserv mailing list >diffserv@ietf.org >http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv >Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ > > > _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Tue Feb 8 13:59:21 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA07687 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 13:59:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19757; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA19719 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:48:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.103]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA04406 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:50:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (northrelay03.pok.ibm.com [9.117.200.23]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA360510; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:48:51 -0500 Received: from BLDVMA.boulder.ibm.com (bldvma.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.64.30]) by northrelay03.pok.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.06) with SMTP id MAA20014; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:50:00 -0500 Message-Id: <200002081750.MAA20014@northrelay03.pok.ibm.com> Received: by BLDVMA.boulder.ibm.com (IBM VM SMTP Level 310) via spool with SMTP id 4577 ; Tue, 08 Feb 2000 10:50:50 MST Date: Tue, 8 Feb 00 18:50:04 CET From: "Bert Wijnen" To: Tamas.Varga.II@eth.ericsson.se, diffserv@ietf.org Subject: [Diffserv] INET-ENDPOINT-MIB reference in Diffserv MIB Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Ref: Your note of Tue, 08 Feb 2000 15:52:39 +0100 Subject: Re: [Diffserv] INET-ENDPOINT-MIB reference in Diffserv MIB Look at: drafts-ops-endpoint-mib-06.txt (rev 7 expected soon) Bert _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 00:20:18 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA18739 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 00:20:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08215; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:11:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA08186 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:11:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from wacko.redbacknetworks.com (wacko.redbacknetworks.com [155.53.130.200]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA16240 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 22:12:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from CG6673-A (pptp-139.redbacknetworks.com [155.53.200.139]) by wacko.redbacknetworks.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA16483 for ; Tue, 8 Feb 2000 19:12:03 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.0.2.20000208214311.00b54790@pop.redback.com> X-Sender: dhayes@pop.redback.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.0.2 Date: Tue, 08 Feb 2000 21:43:44 -0800 To: diffserv@ietf.org From: Dennis Hayes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; types="text/plain,text/html"; boundary="=====================_738514==_.ALT" Subject: [Diffserv] (no subject) Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org --=====================_738514==_.ALT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" confirm 821511 Thanks, Dennis Hayes Office # 609-727-3226 Redback Networks Mobile # 609-413-3604 email: dhayes@redback.com http://www.redback.com/ --=====================_738514==_.ALT Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii"
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------=_NextPart_000_0042_01BF728F.2B438BC0-- _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 02:18:54 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA01248 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:18:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20775; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:59:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA20743 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 01:59:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from maho3msx2.isus.emc.com (maho3msx2.isus.emc.com [168.159.208.81]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA24990 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:01:13 -0500 (EST) From: Black_David@emc.com Received: by maho3msx2.isus.emc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id <1JTXZ5MD>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:00:44 -0500 Message-ID: To: thomas.eklund@switchcore.com, diffserv@ietf.org Cc: yoramb@microsoft.com, andrew@extremenetworks.com, slblake@torrentnet.com Subject: RE: [Diffserv] TCB's in diffserv router model. Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 02:00:43 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Sorry for the delayed response to this one ... > Then I would also like to see a paper on how ipsec in tunnel mode over > diffserv should be handled at the same time in FB. Or is there any work > already done on this? The goal is to make ipsec tunnels orthogonal to the diffserv model to the extent possible. Some details can be found in draft-black-diffserv-tunnels-00.txt, which will be revised to appear as a WG draft sometime this month (final warning - get comments about what you do and don't like in now ;-) ). --David --------------------------------------------------- David L. Black, Senior Technologist EMC Corporation, 42 South St., Hopkinton, MA 01748 +1 (508) 435-1000 x75140, FAX: +1 (508) 497-6909 black_david@emc.com Cellular: +1 (978) 394-7754 --------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 06:26:42 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03359 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01519; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:03:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA01488 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:03:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from cslab5.korea.ac.kr (cslab5.korea.ac.kr [163.152.39.111]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03180 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:04:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from cslab5.korea.ac.kr (ship.korea.ac.kr [163.152.40.235]) by cslab5.korea.ac.kr (8.8.8H1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03217 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:31:25 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <38A148A5.865E3846@cslab5.korea.ac.kr> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:59:50 +0900 From: Bae Jin Han X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------797C8960959176BF836732CF" Subject: [Diffserv] Question 2 Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org --------------797C8960959176BF836732CF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I have questions. 1. In Ingress Node, Packet marking as IN packet its sending rate within Service profile rate or OUT packet excceding Service profile rate. Then How marking other best-effort packets ? Regrads, - Jin Han --------------797C8960959176BF836732CF Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I have questions.

1. In Ingress Node,  Packet marking as IN packet its sending rate within Service profile rate or 
OUT packet excceding  Service profile rate.
Then How marking other best-effort packets ?

Regrads,
- Jin Han --------------797C8960959176BF836732CF-- _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 06:33:29 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA03534 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 06:33:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA01173; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:54:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA01141 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:54:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from cslab5.korea.ac.kr (cslab5.korea.ac.kr [163.152.39.111]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA03070 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 05:55:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from cslab5.korea.ac.kr (ship.korea.ac.kr [163.152.40.235]) by cslab5.korea.ac.kr (8.8.8H1/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA03207 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:22:03 +0900 (KST) Message-ID: <38A14675.737A0ACF@cslab5.korea.ac.kr> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 19:50:30 +0900 From: Bae Jin Han X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [Diffserv] Question 1. Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I have questions. In current Differentiated Services, According to PHB, Interior Node have multiple queues. 1. Which is as active buffer management in each queue ? ( rio or red ) If answer is RIO, What is differentiation RIO with multiple queue or WRED (Weighted RED) ? 2. Best-effort flows map to Default PHB. Then have other queue. Which is active buffer mangement in Default PHB ? Regrads, - Jin Han _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 14:36:54 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19395 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:36:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18093; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:34:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA18065 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (root@usc.edu [128.125.253.136]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA15590 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 13:35:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (demir@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.19.184]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id KAA28348 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:33:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demir@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id KAA01112 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 10:33:45 -0800 (PST) From: demir To: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] Diffserv ns-2 In-Reply-To: <38A148A5.865E3846@cslab5.korea.ac.kr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Does anyone have Difserv contributed code to ns-2? Alper K. Demir, PhD student University of Southern California Computer Science Dept. LA, CA _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 14:56:03 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20287 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:56:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19239; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:10:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19208 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:10:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ozias.inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca (ozias.inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca [192.26.211.164]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17812 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:11:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from someware.INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (someware [192.26.211.46]) by ozias.inrs-telecom.uquebec.ca (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA11749; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:12:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from someware by someware.INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA24771; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:10:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200002091910.OAA24771@someware.INRS-Telecom.UQuebec.CA> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:10:46 -0500 (EST) From: Tarik Alj Reply-To: Tarik Alj Subject: Re: [Diffserv] Diffserv ns-2 To: demir@usc.edu Cc: diffserv@ietf.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: W8yJeVYmJWQW7QVSKT7Sjw== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.2.0 CDE Version 1.2 SunOS 5.6 sun4m sparc Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Please see : http://www.teltec.dcu.ie/%7Emurphys/ns-work/ for diffserv modules contributed to ns by Sean Murphy. for ns pointers in general: http://www-mash.cs.berkeley.edu/ns http://www.ee.surrey.ac.uk/Personal/L.Wood/ns/ > > Does anyone have Difserv contributed code to ns-2? > > Alper K. Demir, PhD student > University of Southern California > Computer Science Dept. > LA, CA > Tarik _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 14:58:56 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA20420 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:58:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19366; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:12:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA19330 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:12:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA17976 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 14:14:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id TAA204706; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:13:38 GMT Received: from hursley.ibm.com (gsine04.us.sine.ibm.com [9.14.6.44]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id TAA23960; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 19:13:35 GMT Message-ID: <38A1BC39.9363E5D3@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2000 13:12:57 -0600 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: demir CC: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] Diffserv ns-2 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit That's a question for the implementation list http://www.atnf.csiro.au/news/exploders/dsimplementation.html (but the server isn't responding right now) Brian Carpenter Diffserv co-chair demir wrote: > > Does anyone have Difserv contributed code to ns-2? > > Alper K. Demir, PhD student > University of Southern California > Computer Science Dept. > LA, CA > > _______________________________________________ > diffserv mailing list > diffserv@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 15:58:46 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23411 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:58:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22208; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:21:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22179 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:21:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [134.87.115.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA21612 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:22:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from nt-exchange1.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (nt-exchange1.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [134.87.116.183]) by procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (6.6.6/6.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21186; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:22:27 -0800 (PST) Received: by nt-exchange1.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1SH4ZSR1>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:22:27 -0800 Message-ID: <336ECDAFDF7DD311B9E30090277AEE4135159E@nt-exchange-bby.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> From: Shahram Davari To: "'Bae Jin Han'" , diffserv@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Diffserv] Question 1. Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:20:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Hi, > -----Original Message----- > From: Bae Jin Han [mailto:jhbae@cslab5.korea.ac.kr] > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:51 AM > To: diffserv@ietf.org > Subject: [Diffserv] Question 1. > > > Hi, > I have questions. > In current Differentiated Services, > According to PHB, Interior Node have multiple queues. > 1. Which is as active buffer management in each queue ? ( rio or red ) This is not specified or enforced by Diffserv WG. You may use any active queue management that you like. > If answer is RIO, What is differentiation RIO with multiple queue or > WRED > (Weighted RED) ? As far as I know in RIO the queue size for each drop precedence consists only of that type of packets + all lower drop precedence packets, while in WRED a single queue size which is the actual queue size is used for all drop precedence. Also WRED uses a value of 2^(-n) for the probability of dropping. > > 2. Best-effort flows map to Default PHB. > Then have other queue. > Which is active buffer management in Default PHB ? > > Regrads, > - Jin Han > > You can use the same RIO or WRED or ... that you use for other queues. > > > _______________________________________________ > diffserv mailing list > diffserv@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ > Regards, Shahram _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 16:06:15 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA23659 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 16:06:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22698; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:30:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22661 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:30:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [134.87.115.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22436 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 15:32:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from nt-exchange1.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (nt-exchange1.pmc-sierra.bc.ca [134.87.116.183]) by procyon.pmc-sierra.bc.ca (6.6.6/6.6.6) with ESMTP id MAA21560; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by nt-exchange1.pmc-sierra.bc.ca with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1SH4ZS4C>; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:32:04 -0800 Message-ID: <336ECDAFDF7DD311B9E30090277AEE413515A0@nt-exchange-bby.pmc-sierra.bc.ca> From: Shahram Davari To: "'Bae Jin Han'" , diffserv@ietf.org Subject: RE: [Diffserv] Question 2 Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:29:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Hi, You can Mark them as BE. You don't need to police in that case. BE queue will have only one type of packet (you may think of them being IN). _Shahram -----Original Message----- From: Bae Jin Han [mailto:jhbae@cslab5.korea.ac.kr] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 6:00 AM To: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: [Diffserv] Question 2 Hi, I have questions. 1. In Ingress Node, Packet marking as IN packet its sending rate within Service profile rate or OUT packet excceding Service profile rate. Then How marking other best-effort packets ? Regrads, - Jin Han _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 9 18:54:56 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA27331 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:54:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA29002; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:29:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA28973 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:29:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from crux.tip.CSIRO.AU (crux.tip.CSIRO.AU [130.155.194.32]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26814 for ; Wed, 9 Feb 2000 18:30:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from b2.tip.CSIRO.AU (b2.tip.CSIRO.AU [130.155.194.254]) by crux.tip.CSIRO.AU (8.9.0.Beta5/8.9.0.Beta5/TIPAT-1.1a) with ESMTP id KAA03622; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:30:44 +1100 (EST) Received: from localhost (mminhazu@localhost) by b2.tip.CSIRO.AU (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id KAA10420; Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:30:39 +1100 (EST) X-Authentication-Warning: b2.tip.CSIRO.AU: mminhazu owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2000 10:30:38 +1100 (EST) From: Muneyb Minhazuddin To: Brian E Carpenter cc: diffserv@ietf.org, dsimplemenation@tip.csiro.au In-Reply-To: <38A1BC39.9363E5D3@hursley.ibm.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [Diffserv] dsimplementation server alive. Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Brian, The dsimplemenation server is alive and working. I noted that there were a list of mails in diffserv-interest list addressed to dsimplementation list but did not make it to the list as the author of the first mail (subject : Diffserv Based IP Services Dated 28th Jan) had got the email address wrong he had addressed his mail to dsimplementatio@atnf.csiro.au (had missed the n) And the subsequent replies had the same error. Regards Muneyb. Owner dsimplementation list. On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Brian E Carpenter wrote: > That's a question for the implementation list > > http://www.atnf.csiro.au/news/exploders/dsimplementation.html > (but the server isn't responding right now) > > Brian Carpenter > Diffserv co-chair _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 11 17:56:29 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA25274 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 17:56:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28720; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:17:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA28692 for ; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:17:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA21272; Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:18:40 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002112118.QAA21272@ietf.org> To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: diffserv@ietf.org From: The IESG Reply-to: iesg@ietf.org Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2000 16:18:40 -0500 Subject: [Diffserv] Last Call: Per Hop Behavior Identification Codes to Proposed Standard Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org The IESG has received a request from the Differentiated Services Working Group to consider Per Hop Behavior Identification Codes as a Proposed Standard. The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits final comments on this action. Please send any comments to the iesg@ietf.org or ietf@ietf.org mailing lists by February 25, 2000. Files can be obtained via http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-phbid-00.txt _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 08:37:40 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA26806 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 08:37:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17430; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA17399 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:37:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA22411; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:39:26 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002161139.GAA22411@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: diffserv@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:39:25 -0500 Subject: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Differentiated Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of Differentiated Services Behavior Aggregates and Rules for their Specification Author(s) : K. Nichols, B. Carpenter Filename : draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt Pages : 15 Date : 15-Feb-00 The diffserv WG has defined the general architecture for differen- tiated services (RFC 2475) and has been focused on the definition and standardization of the 'per-hop forwarding behaviors' (or PHBs) required in routers (RFCs 2474, 2597, and 2598). The dif- ferentiated services framework creates services within a network by applying rules at the edges in the creation of traffic aggregates (known as Behavior Aggregates) coupled with the forwarding path behavior. The WG has also discussed the behavior required at diffserv network edges or boundaries for conditioning the aggregates, elements such as policers and shapers [MODEL, MIB]. A major feature of diffserv is that only the components applying the rules at the edge need to be changed in response to short-term changes in QoS goals in the network, rather than The next step for the WG is to lay out how the forwarding path components (PHBs, classifiers, and traffic conditioners) can be used within the architectural framework to compose specific Behavior Aggregates. These BAs should have properties such that the transit of individual packets of a BA through a differentiated services network can be characterized by specific metrics. How- ever, no microflow information should be required as packets transit a differentiated services network. This document defines and discusses Behavior Aggregates in detail and lays out the format and required content for contribu- tions to the Diffserv WG on BAs and the rules that will be applied for individual BA specifications to advance as WG products. This format is specified to expedite working group review of BA sub- missions. A pdf version of this document is available at: ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/ftp/kmn-group/docs/ba_def.pdf. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000215124123.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000215124123.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 16:32:52 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA14526 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:32:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00999; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:39:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00971 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:39:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov. (mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.166.146]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA11190 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:41:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov by mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA08008; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:41:05 -0500 Message-Id: <200002161941.OAA08008@mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov.> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/24/96 To: uhl@mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov cc: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:31:46 EST." <200002161931.OAA07966@mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:41:05 -0500 From: George Uhl Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org I'm responding as I'm reading the draft. There is another sentence cutoff at the end of the first paragraph of the Introduction section. As I browse the draft it appears that text is getting cutoff along page boundaries. BTW, I'm reading this draft from: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt George Uhl > > The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Abstract is incomplete: > > A major feature of diffserv is that only the components > applying the rules at the edge need to be changed in response to > short-term changes in QoS goals in the network, rather than > > > George Uhl > _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 16:43:52 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA15289 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00718; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA00687 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:30:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov. (mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov [128.183.166.146]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id OAA11021 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:32:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov by mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA07966; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:31:46 -0500 Message-Id: <200002161931.OAA07966@mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov.> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0gamma 1/24/96 To: diffserv@ietf.org cc: uhl@mamba-e.gsfc.nasa.gov Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:39:25 EST." <200002161139.GAA22411@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 14:31:46 -0500 From: George Uhl Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Abstract is incomplete: A major feature of diffserv is that only the components applying the rules at the edge need to be changed in response to short-term changes in QoS goals in the network, rather than George Uhl _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 18:02:24 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18063 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:02:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04403; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:37:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA04377 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:37:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA14948 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA292124; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:37:54 GMT Received: from hursley.ibm.com (lig32-224-236-52.us.lig-dial.ibm.com [32.224.236.52]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id VAA30472; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 21:37:50 GMT Message-ID: <38AB18BA.98087F6A@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:38:02 -0600 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George Uhl CC: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt References: <200002161931.OAA07966@mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, there is a formatting error at the end of each page. Kathie will fix it. Brian George Uhl wrote: > > The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Abstract is incomplete: > > A major feature of diffserv is that only the components > applying the rules at the edge need to be changed in response to > short-term changes in QoS goals in the network, rather than > > George Uhl > > _______________________________________________ > diffserv mailing list > diffserv@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 18:03:24 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18080 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03993; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:26:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA03961 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:26:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from usc.edu (root@usc.edu [128.125.253.136]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA14339 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 16:28:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from aludra.usc.edu (demir@aludra.usc.edu [128.125.19.184]) by usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id NAA05351 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:28:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost (demir@localhost) by aludra.usc.edu (8.9.3.1/8.9.3/usc) with ESMTP id NAA02458 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:27:59 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 13:27:59 -0800 (PST) From: demir To: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt In-Reply-To: <200002161139.GAA22411@ietf.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Oops. It should be: A pdf version of this document is available at: ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/ftp/kmn-group/docs/BA_def.pdf Alper K. Demir _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 16 18:16:54 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA18227 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 18:16:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05717; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:14:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA05686 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:14:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA16609 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:54 -0500 (EST) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (VWALL-IN-motgate2 2.0) with ESMTP id PAA22072 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:15:50 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from noah.dma.isg.mot.com (noah.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.2.29]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id PAA10763 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 15:15:49 -0700 (MST)] Received: from dma.isg.mot.com (nrlab-08.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.50.46]) by noah.dma.isg.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA12732 for ; Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:47 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002162215.RAA12732@noah.dma.isg.mot.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2000 06:39:25 EST." <200002161139.GAA22411@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:47 -0500 From: Dan Grossman Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org A number of issues, questions and concerns. First the minor mechanical hassles, then the broad implications, then a lot of things that need clarification. 1) ERROR 432 -- The URL you requested could not be fetched. This means that: ftp/kmn-group/docs/ba_def.pdf: No such file or directory. 2) As George Uhl noted, text got lost at page breaks in the .txt version. 3) The semantics of a BA seems to have changed between RFC 2475 and this draft. The definition ("... crossing a link in a particular direction") pretty clearly (at least in my mind) implies that its scope is hop-by-hop. In the draft, it seems to be a kind of odd beast which isn't quite end-to-end, nor is it hop-by-hop. Flows can apparently join and leave a BA anywhere in the DS domain. In fact, it looks like this draft is looking do redefine a BA to be some kind of a spanning tree of the DS domain. Would the authors explain? 4) The draft seems to have gotten religion about measurable, quantifiabile, characteristics, for which I applaud it. It does seem a bit difficult to reconcile this with the relative PHBs, as in the legacy class selectors and to a lesser extent AF. 5) On a related topic, most of parameters will be quite sensitive to network topology, route selected and link characteristics, as well as the capabilities and configuration of the DS nodes on the path. What I think we're saying is that each the value for each measureable, quantifiable parameter is in fact the worst case of any path along the spanning tree. Or, actually, the worst spanning tree that could possibly result from a route flap. Which might be quite a bit worse than it would actually be for many feasible paths. Or, in another words, the parameter values experienced by two flows belonging to the same BA, which enter and/or leave the DS domain at different DS edges may differ considerably. 6) The draft explicitly refers to pinned routes from time to time, and hints at them elsewhere. Except for MPLS, do any standards track RFCs allow for route pinning? 7) Can anybody think of an example of a parameter which is absolute, rather than bounded? We couldn't do that with ATM, despite its very fine-grained mechanisms and conservative approach to aggregation. 8) I assume that it's intended that a central assumption is that each flow will be shaped to the agreed TCA before it enters the DS domain and policed at the DS edge node; otherwise, the parameters of the BA do not obtain. 9) The authors clearly have in mind some kind of relationship between a service and a BA. It is not clear to me what that might be. Can a BA can be made to carry multiple services? Is it possible for more than one BA to have the same PHB (i.e., with different DSCPs) such that the edge-to-edge characteristics experienced by packets belonging to the BAs might differ? If not, do we not implicitly limit the number of distinct services that can be offered by a DS domain? How will defining BAs address the difficulties the group (and also ISSL and the ATM Forum) has been struggling with in not having services in its charter? 10) There is a critical point in the introduction: If the properties of a BA using a particu- lar PHB hold regardless of how the aggregate mutates as it traverses the domain, then that BA scales. If there are limits to where the properties hold, that translates to a limit on the size or topology of a DS domain that can use that BA. Although useful single-link BAs might exist, BAs that are invariant with network size or that have simple relationships with network size and whose properties can recovered by reapplying rules (that is, form- ing another diffserv boundary or edge to re-enforce the rules for the aggregate) are needed for building scalable end-to-end quality of service." How do we know that the existing PHBs allow construction of BAs that have this property? I'll get back with the clarifications on specific words in the text tomorrow. Dan _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Thu Feb 17 14:16:37 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA22334 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 14:16:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11941; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:53:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA11909 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:53:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA20517 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 12:55:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA305266; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:54:52 GMT Received: from hursley.ibm.com (ss6.bld.socks.ibm.com [9.14.4.71]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA27894; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 17:54:43 GMT Message-ID: <38AC35C5.C58AF9C0@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:13 -0600 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Grossman CC: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt References: <200002162215.RAA12732@noah.dma.isg.mot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dan, ... > 3) The semantics of a BA seems to have changed between RFC 2475 and this > draft. The definition ("... crossing a link in a particular direction") > pretty clearly (at least in my mind) implies that its scope is hop-by-hop. In > the draft, it seems to be a kind of odd beast which isn't quite end-to-end, > nor is it hop-by-hop. Flows can apparently join and leave a BA anywhere in > the DS domain. In fact, it looks like this draft is looking do redefine a BA > to be some kind of a spanning tree of the DS domain. Would the authors > explain? I don't think the original concept of BA was intended to be a single hop; if that's what 2475 says we may need to adjust it. Yes, the "new" BA is edge to edge of a DS network. > > 4) The draft seems to have gotten religion about measurable, quantifiabile, > characteristics, for which I applaud it. It does seem a bit difficult to > reconcile this with the relative PHBs, as in the legacy class selectors and to > a lesser extent AF. That would lead to soft metrics. > > 5) On a related topic, most of parameters will be quite sensitive to network > topology, route selected and link characteristics, as well as the capabilities > and configuration of the DS nodes on the path. What I think we're saying is > that each the value for each measureable, quantifiable parameter is in fact > the worst case of any path along the spanning tree. Or, actually, the worst > spanning tree that could possibly result from a route flap. Which might be > quite a bit worse than it would actually be for many feasible paths. Or, in > another words, the parameter values experienced by two flows belonging to the > same BA, which enter and/or leave the DS domain at different DS edges may > differ considerably. I think that will depend on the BA. > > 6) The draft explicitly refers to pinned routes from time to time, and hints > at them elsewhere. Except for MPLS, do any standards track RFCs allow for > route pinning? I don't think so; the QOS Routing RFC certainly discusses this issue. > > 7) Can anybody think of an example of a parameter which is absolute, rather > than bounded? We couldn't do that with ATM, despite its very fine-grained > mechanisms and conservative approach to aggregation. > > 8) I assume that it's intended that a central assumption is that each flow > will be shaped to the agreed TCA before it enters the DS domain and policed at > the DS edge node; otherwise, the parameters of the BA do not obtain. Yes > > 9) The authors clearly have in mind some kind of relationship between a > service and a BA. Er, not consciously. Brian It is not clear to me what that might be. Can a BA can be > made to carry multiple services? Is it possible for more than one BA to have > the same PHB (i.e., with different DSCPs) such that the edge-to-edge > characteristics experienced by packets belonging to the BAs might differ? If > not, do we not implicitly limit the number of distinct services that can be > offered by a DS domain? How will defining BAs address the difficulties the > group (and also ISSL and the ATM Forum) has been struggling with in not having > services in its charter? > > 10) There is a critical point in the introduction: > If the properties of a BA using a particu- > lar PHB hold regardless of how the aggregate mutates as it > traverses the domain, then that BA scales. If there are limits to > where the properties hold, that translates to a limit on the size or > topology of a DS domain that can use that BA. Although useful > single-link BAs might exist, BAs that are invariant with network > size or that have simple relationships with network size and > whose properties can recovered by reapplying rules (that is, form- > ing another diffserv boundary or edge to re-enforce the rules for > the aggregate) are needed for building scalable end-to-end quality > of service." > How do we know that the existing PHBs allow construction of BAs that have this > property? > > I'll get back with the clarifications on specific words in the text tomorrow. > > Dan > > _______________________________________________ > diffserv mailing list > diffserv@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Thu Feb 17 15:50:27 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24219 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20225; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:16:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA20192 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:16:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from ftpbox.mot.com (ftpbox.mot.com [129.188.136.101]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23449 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:18:08 -0500 (EST) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by ftpbox.mot.com (VWALL-IN-ftpbox 2.0) with ESMTP id NAA04401; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:18:02 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from noah.dma.isg.mot.com (noah.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.2.29]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id NAA18712; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:18:01 -0700 (MST)] Received: from dma.isg.mot.com (nrlab-08.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.50.46]) by noah.dma.isg.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26751; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:17:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002172017.PAA26751@noah.dma.isg.mot.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 To: Brian E Carpenter cc: Dan Grossman , diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 17 Feb 2000 11:54:13 EST." <38AC35C5.C58AF9C0@hursley.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:17:59 -0500 From: Dan Grossman Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org > Dan, > > ... > > 3) The semantics of a BA seems to have changed between RFC 2475 and this > > draft. The definition ("... crossing a link in a particular direction") > > pretty clearly (at least in my mind) implies that its scope is hop-by-hop. In > > the draft, it seems to be a kind of odd beast which isn't quite end-to-end, > > nor is it hop-by-hop. Flows can apparently join and leave a BA anywhere in > > the DS domain. In fact, it looks like this draft is looking do redefine a BA > > to be some kind of a spanning tree of the DS domain. Would the authors > > explain? > > I don't think the original concept of BA was intended to be a single hop; > if that's what 2475 says we may need to adjust it. Yes, the "new" BA is > edge to edge of a DS network. It wasn't clear, but certainly implied. Next questions: is there such a thing as a 'unicast' or a 'multicast' BA? If so, can a unicast BA have more than one ingress edge node or more than one egress edge node? > > > > 4) The draft seems to have gotten religion about measurable, quantifiabile, > > characteristics, for which I applaud it. It does seem a bit difficult to > > reconcile this with the relative PHBs, as in the legacy class selectors and to > > a lesser extent AF. > > That would lead to soft metrics. Um, what is a 'soft' metric? > > > > 5) On a related topic, most of parameters will be quite sensitive to network > > topology, route selected and link characteristics, as well as the capabilities > > and configuration of the DS nodes on the path. What I think we're saying is > > that each the value for each measureable, quantifiable parameter is in fact > > the worst case of any path along the spanning tree. Or, actually, the worst > > spanning tree that could possibly result from a route flap. Which might be > > quite a bit worse than it would actually be for many feasible paths. Or, in > > another words, the parameter values experienced by two flows belonging to the > > same BA, which enter and/or leave the DS domain at different DS edges may > > differ considerably. > > I think that will depend on the BA. Can you elaborate? > > > > 6) The draft explicitly refers to pinned routes from time to time, and hints > > at them elsewhere. Except for MPLS, do any standards track RFCs allow for > > route pinning? > > I don't think so; the QOS Routing RFC certainly discusses this issue. Is this a problem? As in are we relying on mechanisms that don't exist? > > > > 9) The authors clearly have in mind some kind of relationship between a > > service and a BA. > > Er, not consciously. Then how do BAs support services? Or, rather, TCAs? > It is not clear to me what that might be. Can a BA can be > > made to carry multiple services? Is it possible for more than one BA to have > > the same PHB (i.e., with different DSCPs) such that the edge-to-edge > > characteristics experienced by packets belonging to the BAs might differ? If > > not, do we not implicitly limit the number of distinct services that can be > > offered by a DS domain? How will defining BAs address the difficulties the > > group (and also ISSL and the ATM Forum) has been struggling with in not having > > services in its charter? _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Thu Feb 17 15:53:21 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA24220 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:50:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19934; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19902 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:06:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from motgate2.mot.com (motgate2.mot.com [136.182.1.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA23221 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:08:15 -0500 (EST) Received: [from pobox.mot.com (pobox.mot.com [129.188.137.100]) by motgate2.mot.com (VWALL-IN-motgate2 2.0) with ESMTP id NAA04492 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:08:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from noah.dma.isg.mot.com (noah.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.2.29]) by pobox.mot.com (MOT-pobox 2.0) with ESMTP id NAA10486 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 13:08:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: from dma.isg.mot.com (nrlab-08.dma.isg.mot.com [150.21.50.46]) by noah.dma.isg.mot.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26402 for ; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:08:14 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002172008.PAA26402@noah.dma.isg.mot.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 1.6.7 5/3/96 cc: diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 16 Feb 2000 17:15:47 EST." <200002162215.RAA12732@noah.dma.isg.mot.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 15:08:14 -0500 From: Dan Grossman Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org In addition to the broader questions I raised yesterday, there are a number of points in the draft which need clarification. This is not exhaustive, and I'm sure to have more later. > customers any more than the specific PHBs employed in the pro- > vider's network would be. QoS providers are expected to select > their own measures to make customer-visible in contracts and What's a "QoS provider"? Is this a service provider that offers SLAs? Or is it something else? > puted. The filled in boxes in figure 1 represent the conformance > ensurers (e.g., shapers) and conformance enforcers (e.g., polic- > ers). Although we expect that policers and shapers will be Why do we need these new terms "conformance ensurer" and "conformance enforcer"? > Associated with each BA are measurable, quantifiable, character- > istics which can be used to describe what will happen to packets > of that BA as they cross the DS domain. It's difficult to talk about these characteristics in terms of what will happen to individual packets, rather than flows. Rather, these are characteristics which are measured over a (stastistically significant sample of a) flow. > Explicit expressions of > what happens to this behavior under aggregation, possibly param- > eterized by node in-degrees or network diameters are required. After a couple of attempts, I was finally able to parse this sentence. But what are "node in-degrees"? > Rules must be recursively applied to result in a > known behavior. I assume that this means 'interior rules', which aren't discussed before this point. > Behavior Aggregates arise from a particular relationship between > edge and interior (which may be parameterized). I don't understand this statement. What kind of relationship are we talking about? What is the significance of 'arising'? What kinds of parameters affect such a relationship? Also, I'm beginning to think that there is a blurring between a _Type_ of BA (as in the thing specified in one of these specifications) and an _Instance_ of a BA (occurring in a DS domain). It would be helpful if the authors made it clear which of these they are discussing at various points in the draft. > The characteristics of a BA tell how it behaves under ideal condi- > tions if configured in a specified manner (where the specification > may be parameterized). Characteristics of a BA might be drop > rate, throughput, delay bounds measured over some time period. That should be drop rate bounds -- I can't imagine a use for a service that drops exactly 10^x packets, no more and no less, will be dropped, much less mechanisms to support it. > The definition and characteristics of a BA MAY be parameterized > by network-specific features; for example, maximum number of > hops, minimum bandwidth, total number of entry/exit points of > the BA to/from the diffserv network, maximum transit delay of > network elements, minimum buffer size available for the BA at a > network node, etc. I'm not clear on the intent of this. These kinds of things obviously affect the characteristics of the BA, but seem to be more in the nature of provisioning considerations. Is this part of the distinction between BAs and services? > For short-time behavior, > we are interested primarily in two things: 1) how many back-to- > back packets of this BA will we see at any point (this would be > metered as a burst) and 2) how large a burst of packets of this BA > can appear in a queue at once (gives queue overflow and loss). This sentence leaves me with more questions than it answers. Starting with point-of-reference: where will "we" be observing to "see" back-to-back packets? Particularly considering the apparently spanning tree nature of a BA instance. What are the causal relationships? Is it something along the lines of "the application of the traffic conditioners plus the edge rules plus the interior rules cause the number of back-to-back packets in the burst to be bounded by x, where x is an objective, and the edge rules, interior rules and traffic conditioners will be engineered such that the objective x will be met?" > 6.2 Considerations in specifying short-term or bursty BA > characteristics I find this example to be confusing. It now appears that all flows in BAx transit link L. I thought I'd understood that this was not necessarily the case, and that a BA could contain flows with multiple ingress edges and multiple egress edges, even if it was unicast? > Flows of > BAx packets from the N uplinks each have average rate R and are > destined to cross L. Is that "each are conditioned to have an average rate R" or "are assumed (based on historical measurements or traffic models) to have an average rate R"? ALso note that the example assumes that all packets are MTU sized, which is a worst case (but probably not a realistic worst case). Incidentally, once the mechanical problems with the .pdf file got sorted out, I found it infinitely more readable than the .txt version. I hope that this is some kind of experiement in updating the IETF's obsolescent documentation formatting guidelines. Changing hats, if any of these new terms are truly needed, or if we have to redefine/clarify terms like "behavior aggregate", would the authors provide me with definitions for the terminology draft? _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 01:45:08 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA07274 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:45:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18027; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:20:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA17996 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:20:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from omega.cisco.com (omega.cisco.com [171.69.63.141]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA05611 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:21:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (sj-dial-4-35.cisco.com [171.68.181.164]) by omega.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA21954; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:20:15 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38ACE4D9.5A154CC6@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:21:13 -0800 From: Kathleen Nichols X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Brian E Carpenter CC: George Uhl , diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt References: <200002161931.OAA07966@mamba.gsfc.nasa.gov.> <38AB18BA.98087F6A@hursley.ibm.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Yes, Kathie will fix it. But not till I get back from vacation next week I think. I'll post if there is some way I can get it fixed before then. Kathie Brian E Carpenter wrote: > > Yes, there is a formatting error at the end of each page. > Kathie will fix it. > > Brian > > George Uhl wrote: > > > > The last sentence in the first paragraph of the Abstract is incomplete: > > > > A major feature of diffserv is that only the components > > applying the rules at the edge need to be changed in response to > > short-term changes in QoS goals in the network, rather than > > > > George Uhl > > > > _______________________________________________ > > diffserv mailing list > > diffserv@ietf.org > > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ > > _______________________________________________ > diffserv mailing list > diffserv@ietf.org > http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv > Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 01:56:08 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA08048 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:56:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18324; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:30:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA18293 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from omega.cisco.com (omega.cisco.com [171.69.63.141]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA06423 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 01:32:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (sj-dial-4-35.cisco.com [171.68.181.164]) by omega.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA22587; Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:31:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38ACE76B.DF12F7B2@cisco.com> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2000 22:32:11 -0800 From: Kathleen Nichols X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dan Grossman CC: Brian E Carpenter , diffserv@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-00.txt References: <200002172017.PAA26751@noah.dma.isg.mot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit First, apologies for the problems in the draft. We felt it was overdue and I wanted to get it out and shipped it just before spending all day in a meeting then going on vacation (which is where I am now, so I won't go into depth on all of this. But, Dan's notes compel me to respond to two things. First, using a descriptive phrase does not mean we are inventing "new terminology"; in fact, it sometimes means that we are conciously avoiding the use of "terminology". Dan Grossman wrote: > .... > > > > > > 6) The draft explicitly refers to pinned routes from time to time, and hints > > > at them elsewhere. Except for MPLS, do any standards track RFCs allow for > > > route pinning? > > > > I don't think so; the QOS Routing RFC certainly discusses this issue. > Is this a problem? As in are we relying on mechanisms that don't exist? > > > The use of any reference to this was merely to state that IF a BA were relying on some sort of "pinned" routes (and we wanted to be general here), the description should explicitly say so. That is ALL. I'd be interested to hear if this is a widely shared view, that the document is somehow advocating or assuming them, so that we can fix this in the next revsision. Kathie _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Fri Feb 18 11:58:36 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA27113 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 11:58:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02694; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:55:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA02663 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:55:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA25572 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 10:57:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA26836 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:56:41 GMT Received: from hursley.ibm.com (gsine03.us.sine.ibm.com [9.14.6.43]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA27598 for ; Fri, 18 Feb 2000 15:56:39 GMT Message-ID: <38AD6BB2.228FE00C@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 09:56:34 -0600 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Diff Serv Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Diffserv] That URL again Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit For those who want the PDF version of the BA draft, without the formatting error, here is the URL again. It's case sensitive ftp://ftp-eng.cisco.com/ftp/kmn-group/docs/BA_def.pdf Brian _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Mon Feb 21 08:25:40 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA05976 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 08:25:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13845; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:44:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA13812 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:44:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from web2205.mail.yahoo.com (web2205.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.35]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with SMTP id HAA04795 for ; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 07:46:28 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 9987 invoked by uid 60001); 21 Feb 2000 12:46:28 -0000 Message-ID: <20000221124628.9986.qmail@web2205.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [208.7.75.14] by web2205.mail.yahoo.com; Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:46:28 PST Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2000 04:46:28 -0800 (PST) From: sam yamada To: diffserv@ietf.org Cc: sam_vip@yahoo.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [Diffserv] about diffserv Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Dear sir : I am Sam , post graduate student , master program in cairo university , egypt. and interested in the Diffserv and its features , so i am trying to simulate the diffserv , to make an analysis of the performance of diffserv , i am already using OPNET , but it does not support all the new components in diffserv , so can you help me about the simulation of these components of diffserv , or if you know someone who may help me thanx for reading this message , yours sincerly , sam ibrahim __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? 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Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Tue Feb 22 07:47:11 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA09408 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:47:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26675; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:19:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA26642 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:19:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-core-crit.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-crit.cisco.com [171.71.163.10]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA09021 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 07:21:30 -0500 (EST) From: gustavo.martin@informa.com Received: from proxy1.cisco.com (proxy1.cisco.com [192.31.7.88]) by sj-msg-core-crit.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id EAA11828 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:21:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from MAILHOST (mailhost.ibcuk.co.uk [194.128.188.34]) by proxy1.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Tue, 22 Feb 2000 04:20:59 -0800 Message-Id: Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:43:13 +0000 To: diffserv@external.cisco.com MIME-version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Mailer: TFS Secure Messaging /222000000/223021786/223100902/223005108/ X-Mailer: Version 4 Build 211 X-SPAM: Yes X-SPAM-REASON: Suspicious SMTP Greeting X-SMTP-HELO: MAILHOST X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: gustavo.martin@informa.com X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: mailhost.ibcuk.co.uk [194.128.188.34] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by optimus.ietf.org id HAA26644 Subject: [Diffserv] COPS and QoS Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Introducing Europe's leading IP QoS event for 2000 The Global IP QoS Summit, London Marriott, 15th-17th March 2000 http://www.ibctelecoms.com/ipqos2000 Examining optimal policy-based architectures and latest developments in the COPS protocol. Speaker: Shai Herzog, co-author of COPS Keys to successul MPLS deployment Speaker: Vijay Srinivasan, Chairman MPLS WG Parameters for measuring QoS in large IP networks Speaker: Bob Mandeville, Author of IETF's switch testing spec Implementing DiffServ using the Assured Precedence PHB Group Juha Heinanen, CTO Telia and DiffServ WG Plus: The carrier strategies for end-to-end QoS provision speakers: Mika Uusitalo, CTO, Sonera Jack Ziros, VP IP Services, GlobalOne Henjo Groenewegen, COO KPNQWest and many others visit us online at http://www.ibctelecoms.com/ipqos2000 or email Dr. Gustavo Martin gustavo.martin@ibcuk.co.uk This is an Email from the Informa Group. Its contents are confidential to the intended recipient at the Email address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than this addressee, nor may it be copied in any way. 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Please note that neither The Informa Group nor the sender accepts any responsibility for viruses and it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any) _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Tue Feb 22 11:34:43 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA14492 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:34:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00872; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:49:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA00838 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:48:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com [171.71.163.11]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA11465 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:50:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from proxy3.cisco.com (proxy3.cisco.com [192.31.7.90]) by sj-msg-core-1.cisco.com (8.9.3/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA10680 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:50:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15]) by proxy3.cisco.com with SMTP (MailShield v1.5); Tue, 22 Feb 2000 06:44:07 -0800 Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA249372; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:47:12 GMT Received: from hursley.ibm.com (gsine03.us.sine.ibm.com [9.14.6.43]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id OAA27460; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:47:09 GMT Message-ID: <38B2A170.4911E99A@hursley.ibm.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 08:47:12 -0600 From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: IBM X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en,fr MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gustavo.martin@informa.com CC: diffserv@external.cisco.com Subject: Re: [Diffserv] COPS and QoS References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SMTP-HELO: mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com X-SMTP-MAIL-FROM: brian@hursley.ibm.com X-SMAP-Received-From: outside X-SMTP-PEER-INFO: mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com [194.196.110.15] Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gustavo, Please do not use the diffserv WG mailing list for advertising. This list is only for discussion of the business of the working group. Thanks Brian Carpenter diffserv co-chair gustavo.martin@informa.com wrote: > > Introducing Europe's leading IP QoS event for 2000 ... _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Tue Feb 22 15:44:17 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA22439 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 15:44:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09454; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:13:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA09423 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:13:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from omega.cisco.com (omega.cisco.com [171.69.63.141]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA19364 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 14:14:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (dhcp-o-38-206.cisco.com [171.71.38.206]) by omega.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA10621 for ; Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:14:03 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38B2E0A6.9CAB03D0@cisco.com> Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2000 11:16:54 -0800 From: Kathleen Nichols X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Diffserv] corrected ba-def text version coming Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, I've sent a corrected text version of ba-def in. Also, the pdf version has been aliased so that you can ftp it with either name. Kathie _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 23 05:50:57 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA17902 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:50:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA11041; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:01:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id FAA11006 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from twnt0.teleware.fi (weboffice.teleware.fi [193.65.76.13]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA17471 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 05:03:17 -0500 (EST) From: Kari.Kuosa@teleware.fi Received: by weboffice.teleware.fi with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:04:10 +0200 Message-ID: <111D42604E7BD311897B00902755514A08E690@weboffice.teleware.fi> To: diffserv@ietf.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 12:04:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Subject: [Diffserv] unsubscrible aki.anttila@teleware.fi Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Kari Kuosa, TeleWare Oy Itakeskuksen Maamerkki, FI-00930 Helsinki tel:+358 9 34349125, mobile:+358 40 521 4281 Internet:Kari.Kuosa@teleware.fi @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Wed Feb 23 07:07:44 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA19271 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 07:07:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13636; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:21:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id GAA13596 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:21:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA18253; Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:23:25 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <200002231123.GAA18253@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: diffserv@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2000 06:23:24 -0500 Subject: [Diffserv] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-01.txt Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Differentiated Services Working Group of the IETF. Title : Definition of Differentiated Services Behavior Aggregates and Rules for their Specification Author(s) : K. Nichols, B. Carpenter Filename : draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-01.txt Pages : 15 Date : 22-Feb-00 The diffserv WG has defined the general architecture for differen- tiated services (RFC 2475) and has been focused on the definition and standardization of the 'per-hop forwarding behaviors' (or PHBs) required in routers (RFCs 2474, 2597, and 2598). The dif- ferentiated services framework creates services within a network by applying rules at the edges in the creation of traffic aggregates (known as Behavior Aggregates) coupled with the forwarding path behavior. The WG has also discussed the behavior required at diffserv network edges or boundaries for conditioning the aggregates, elements such as policers and shapers [MODEL, MIB]. A major feature of diffserv is that only the components applying the rules at the edge need to be changed in response to short-term changes in QoS goals in the network, rather than reconfiguring the interior behaviors. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-01.txt Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-01.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-01.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000222135238.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-01.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-diffserv-ba-def-01.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <20000222135238.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/ From diffserv-admin@ietf.org Mon Feb 28 20:36:20 2000 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA25441 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:36:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from optimus.ietf.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21156; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:49:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf.org (odin [132.151.1.176]) by optimus.ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21127 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:49:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from omega.cisco.com (omega.cisco.com [171.69.63.141]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA24601 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:51:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cisco.com (dhcp-o-38-206.cisco.com [171.71.38.206]) by omega.cisco.com (8.8.8-Cisco List Logging/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA27134 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:50:46 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <38BB188A.7FBFB9D9@cisco.com> Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 16:53:30 -0800 From: Kathleen Nichols X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [Diffserv] Call for Agenda items Sender: diffserv-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: diffserv-admin@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 1.0 Precedence: bulk List-Id: Diffserv Discussion List X-BeenThere: diffserv@ietf.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Please send me your requests for agenda space by March 10. Please mention the relevant draft title. Actual allocation of time and space will also depend on the discussion/interest generated on the list. We currently hope/expect to have discussion on MIB, PIB, tunnels, and BA definition and specification process. Kathie _______________________________________________ diffserv mailing list diffserv@ietf.org http://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/diffserv Archive: http://www-nrg.ee.lbl.gov/diff-serv-arch/