From nobody Thu Feb 1 19:25:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00EC212EBD0; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:25:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uA31Z06ACsCN; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from outgoing-mail.its.caltech.edu (outgoing-mail.its.caltech.edu [131.215.239.19]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8EABA12EBC2; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:25:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from smtp02.caltech.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp02.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 080706C10DF; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:25:31 -0800 (PST) X-Spam-Scanned: at Caltech-IMSS on smtp02.caltech.edu by amavisd-new Received: from [131.215.248.142] (vpn-248-142.caltech.edu [131.215.248.142]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: mhucka) by smtp-server.its.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 025066C06B3; Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:25:29 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:25:29 -0800 From: Michael Hucka To: IESG Secretary Cc: IETF-Announce , IRTF-Announce , din@irtf.org Message-ID: <20180201192529508337.93c0ad7c@caltech.edu> In-Reply-To: <151740852950.7777.5484730942488995664@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151740852950.7777.5484730942488995664@ietfa.amsl.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: California Institute of Technology X-Mailer: GyazMail version 1.5.19 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Proposed RG (dinrg) RG Interim Meeting: 2018-02-17 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 03:25:34 -0000 Hi, Pardon my ignorance of the relevant procedural matters, but will this meeting be for members only, or can other interested persons attend? (I'm not a member, but am an academic with an interest in decentralized networking, and would be interested in potentially attending.) Best regards, MH -- Mike Hucka, Ph.D. -- mhucka@caltech.edu -- http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~mhucka Dept. of Computing + Mathematical Sciences, California Institute of Technology On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:22:09 -0800, IESG Secretary wrote: > The Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Proposed RG (dinrg) > Research Group will hold > an interim meeting on 2018-02-17 from 09:00 to 16:00 America/Los_Angeles. > > Meeting Location: > San Diego, US > > Agenda: > Agenda still under development > > Information about remote participation: > Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of approval > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Fri Feb 2 05:38:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFE1C127201 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 05:38:00 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.021 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.021 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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This is an open meeting. Mat > Best regards, > MH > -- > Mike Hucka, Ph.D. -- mhucka@caltech.edu -- = http://www.cds.caltech.edu/~mhucka > Dept. of Computing + Mathematical Sciences, California Institute of = Technology >=20 >=20 > On Wed, 31 Jan 2018 06:22:09 -0800, IESG Secretary wrote: >> The Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Proposed RG (dinrg)=20 >> Research Group will hold >> an interim meeting on 2018-02-17 from 09:00 to 16:00 = America/Los_Angeles. >>=20 >> Meeting Location: >> San Diego, US >>=20 >> Agenda: >> Agenda still under development >>=20 >> Information about remote participation: >> Remote participation information will be obtained at the time of = approval >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Fri Feb 2 09:20:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B2D9112DA01 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:20:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gZN61sJ5Rl86 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from out.west.pexch112.icann.org (pfe112-ca-2.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D410B12D960 for ; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:20:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1178.4; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:20:32 -0800 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1178.000; Fri, 2 Feb 2018 09:20:32 -0800 From: Paul Hoffman To: "din@irtf.org" Thread-Topic: Databases vs. ledgers for infrastructure Thread-Index: AQHTnEohTdyknJ8UiUO1mxd7R+rUhQ== Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 17:20:32 +0000 Message-ID: <5C8B3827-B1FA-4808-92C4-BAA5AE3102B8@icann.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Din] Databases vs. ledgers for infrastructure X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2018 17:20:41 -0000 Greetings. In prepping for our upcoming meeting, I was re-reading the chart= er and find that a lot of it is about ledgers, particularly blockchain syst= ems. However, I am being uncreative and cannot think of any use cases for i= nfrastructure needing to see a local copy of a ledger, just needing to see = the current state of the database. Of course, people making policy for infr= astructure get value from ledgers or a time series of database snapshots Do we have a list of use cases where the infrastructure itself needs to hav= e a ledger in order to act without human intervention? --Paul= From nobody Sat Feb 3 11:21:52 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97C34127871 for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 11:21:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gocxVnEjHZ8g for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 11:21:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pl0-x235.google.com (mail-pl0-x235.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400e:c01::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EA91D12D82D for ; Sat, 3 Feb 2018 11:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pl0-x235.google.com with SMTP id 13so8846266plb.5 for ; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:21:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:organization:message-id:date:user-agent :mime-version:in-reply-to:content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2kd84BKWCzfXioejiG4fXiXJQaEKC37W5HnrGKWk7cM=; b=gPoBxsmKooDRxgHtgTIlfvyK1Y6odkOQJ7lKNfb7UxMF/Ias8kKIBJiJGzxYE8lFR9 MRidHApwb1hJ3aRj9ALZQC8LLUb51Eez/f3mBHPdRe9sxeFgUzTiYFATWiY0ci3MUrk6 t9VJwLux0x44d48PbYfhOsIviNmhO9/tRXQNSmaBFocfGqL1xJKUni43TRsGubpiz4rO 5FzctC5rvfryVMLU+RMnJeQPquGtoozljt1MEV+2zpGMUxK9VxamtTyjO1tbRMd3Nqxb C1NwEHzYL8nfZxaV578Sd14K7oWu2MIhwMBUsghaQdeGtAzO6gLbg6RztQiX4KcEQ9WC ACcQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:organization :message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to :content-language:content-transfer-encoding; bh=2kd84BKWCzfXioejiG4fXiXJQaEKC37W5HnrGKWk7cM=; b=LfO/6IcGh48bnrZmIa+J1Z9ZzWZu7Wz1S+CuVQUqVm+SiJ4CkeO7RiSTscF3E7wEsQ f4wL7FXDCSUlH1tW9w/Vi0RhrY1X7ww6cUjfe26PNH2QpklN6A1e9Okorn429fjr8o8m peUR58+6DqdP+GzURnfj66es0/nxDrdKuQi7o3mPRz6xWshW63/2A/BxiBfZd5SuwV4r im0EV1gmnCL4oIfNY1V/paNhnGBkKGhdTWGw2YVdlaEoFn0jc06ayt7gjU3Q6rIAvdSj CJ3BmSFb34IE4OMXH/7AvS88EcGHAUcRjHvfeeXsiZjWBjPpaf+vDvk2MQ2akxOUClDV GGIA== X-Gm-Message-State: AKwxytdNAkKG2jSmduwSDeuuRvQXgbnMm2gI+W3JJ8aaBepTeQhcChVo L79B6gJ705FFrHJNb+mLzV8B+A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AH8x225X0XtP1EKKuUlCArYX0RPhlFyjFyHojEfievJTo2FvfXW4HukaH98OZH8Cb7AR5OUSDlpI6w== X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:20cb:: with SMTP id v11-v6mr39045080plg.63.1517685707064; Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:21:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2406:e001:3ff5:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781? ([2406:e001:3ff5:1:28cc:dc4c:9703:6781]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q16sm10393390pfg.124.2018.02.03.11.21.44 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 03 Feb 2018 11:21:45 -0800 (PST) To: din@irtf.org References: <5C8B3827-B1FA-4808-92C4-BAA5AE3102B8@icann.org> From: Brian E Carpenter Organization: University of Auckland Message-ID: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 08:21:41 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <5C8B3827-B1FA-4808-92C4-BAA5AE3102B8@icann.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Databases vs. ledgers for infrastructure X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2018 19:21:50 -0000 On 03/02/2018 06:20, Paul Hoffman wrote: > Greetings. In prepping for our upcoming meeting, I was re-reading the charter and find that a lot of it is about ledgers, particularly blockchain systems. However, I am being uncreative and cannot think of any use cases for infrastructure needing to see a local copy of a ledger, just needing to see the current state of the database. Of course, people making policy for infrastructure get value from ledgers or a time series of database snapshots > > Do we have a list of use cases where the infrastructure itself needs to have a ledger in order to act without human intervention? I think that will depend on what some particular infrastructure component is trying to do. Just let me wave my hands a bit: consider a node that is trying to diagnose a problem with a particular IP address. If it includes an AI component or just some clever heuristics, it might need to know who was using that address two days ago. Did that address get black listed, for example? We don't want to rely on a centralized database for this, because that's also a centralized single point of failure. More generally - if we're going to distribute management functions, we potentially need to distribute management data too, for both speed and reliability. Brian From nobody Mon Feb 5 04:57:14 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A17BD12D7E5 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 04:57:12 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.211 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.211 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kphJSJoy8OlL for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 04:57:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from roura.ac.upc.es (roura.ac.upc.edu [147.83.33.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB83712D7E6 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 04:57:08 -0800 (PST) Received: from correu-1.ac.upc.es (correu-1.ac.upc.es [147.83.30.91]) by roura.ac.upc.es (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id w15Cv6Bf000657; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:57:06 +0100 Received: from [147.83.35.190] (dync-35-190.ac.upc.es [147.83.35.190]) by correu-1.ac.upc.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3F91936D; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:57:01 +0100 (CET) To: Brian E Carpenter , din@irtf.org References: <5C8B3827-B1FA-4808-92C4-BAA5AE3102B8@icann.org> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Pailliss=c3=a9_Vilanova?= Message-ID: <5d34c117-4471-465a-2808-5b78d3c19778@ac.upc.edu> Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 13:57:01 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Databases vs. ledgers for infrastructure X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 12:57:13 -0000 Generally speaking, I'd say it depends on your trust policy. If you trust all the nodes inside your infrastructure, just put the ledger on one of them and let the others query it. If you are concerned that a node may be compromised, put the ledger in all the nodes, so they can detect undesired modifications. Regards, Jordi El 03/02/18 a les 20:21, Brian E Carpenter ha escrit: > On 03/02/2018 06:20, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> Greetings. In prepping for our upcoming meeting, I was re-reading the charter and find that a lot of it is about ledgers, particularly blockchain systems. However, I am being uncreative and cannot think of any use cases for infrastructure needing to see a local copy of a ledger, just needing to see the current state of the database. Of course, people making policy for infrastructure get value from ledgers or a time series of database snapshots >> >> Do we have a list of use cases where the infrastructure itself needs to have a ledger in order to act without human intervention? > I think that will depend on what some particular infrastructure component is trying to do. Just let me wave my hands a bit: consider a node that is trying to diagnose a problem with a particular IP address. If it includes an AI component or just some clever heuristics, it might need to know who was using that address two days ago. Did that address get black listed, for example? We don't want to rely on a centralized database for this, because that's also a centralized single point of failure. > > More generally - if we're going to distribute management functions, we potentially need to distribute management data too, for both speed and reliability. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Mon Feb 5 07:23:25 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 740101242F7 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 07:23:24 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.21 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.21 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jh4w4a1Jat6E for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 07:23:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from mta0.cl.cam.ac.uk (mta0.cl.cam.ac.uk [128.232.25.20]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DB0412D848 for ; Mon, 5 Feb 2018 07:23:17 -0800 (PST) Received: from ely.cl.cam.ac.uk ([128.232.64.213] ident=jac22) by mta0.cl.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1eiibz-00081u-66; Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:23:15 +0000 From: Jon Crowcroft To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Pailliss=c3=a9_Vilanova?= cc: Brian E Carpenter , din@irtf.org, Jon Crowcroft In-reply-to: <5d34c117-4471-465a-2808-5b78d3c19778@ac.upc.edu> References: <5C8B3827-B1FA-4808-92C4-BAA5AE3102B8@icann.org> <5d34c117-4471-465a-2808-5b78d3c19778@ac.upc.edu> Comments: In-reply-to =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Pailliss=c3=a9_Vilanova?= message dated "Mon, 05 Feb 2018 13:57:01 +0100." MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <1283.1517844195.1@ely.cl.cam.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:23:15 +0000 Message-Id: Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Databases vs. ledgers for infrastructure X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2018 15:23:24 -0000 > Generally speaking, I'd say it depends on your trust policy. If you trust > all the nodes inside your infrastructure, just put the ledger on one of > them and let the others query it. If you are concerned that a node may be > compromised, put the ledger in all the nodes, so they can detect undesired > modifications. > there was this cool old protocol suddenly occured to me we could revisit w.r.t standards for blockchains, maybe: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-mrose-blocks-architecture-01 > > Regards, > > Jordi > > > El 03/02/18 a les 20:21, Brian E Carpenter ha escrit: > > On 03/02/2018 06:20, Paul Hoffman wrote: > > Greetings. In prepping for our upcoming meeting, I was re-reading > the charter and find that a lot of it is about ledgers, particularly > blockchain systems. However, I am being uncreative and cannot think of > any use cases for infrastructure needing to see a local copy of a ledger, > just needing to see the current state of the database. Of course, people > making policy for infrastructure get value from ledgers or a time series > of database snapshots > > Do we have a list of use cases where the infrastructure itself > needs to have a ledger in order to act without human intervention? > > I think that will depend on what some particular infrastructure > component is trying to do. Just let me wave my hands a bit: consider a > node that is trying to diagnose a problem with a particular IP address. > If it includes an AI component or just some clever heuristics, it might > need to know who was using that address two days ago. Did that address > get black listed, for example? We don't want to rely on a centralized > database for this, because that's also a centralized single point of > failure. > > More generally - if we're going to distribute management functions, > we potentially need to distribute management data too, for both speed and > reliability. > > Brian > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > From nobody Thu Feb 8 22:33:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2497A126B7E for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:15 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.012 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.012 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rWwwv8u83wB3 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from market.scs.stanford.edu (www.scs.stanford.edu [IPv6:2001:470:806d:1::9]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BAD61124D68 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from market.scs.stanford.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by market.scs.stanford.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id w196XDXk050942 for ; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: (from dm@localhost) by market.scs.stanford.edu (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) id w196XCaR013550; Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:33:12 -0800 (PST) From: David Mazieres To: din@irtf.org In-Reply-To: <151740852950.7777.5484730942488995664@ietfa.amsl.com> References: <151740852950.7777.5484730942488995664@ietfa.amsl.com> Reply-To: David Mazieres expires 2018-05-09 PDT Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 22:33:12 -0800 Message-ID: <876076n047.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Archived-At: Subject: [Din] Meeting logistics for 2/17 interim meeting X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 06:33:15 -0000 Hi, is any more information available about meeting logistics for the Saturday 2/17 meeting? I'd like to attend the meeting, and am wondering if I need to register, where exactly the meeting will be held, and at what time it will start. 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[63.140.68.28]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id t18sm1064107oti.56.2018.02.08.23.26.56 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 08 Feb 2018 23:26:57 -0800 (PST) To: din@irtf.org References: <151740852950.7777.5484730942488995664@ietfa.amsl.com> <876076n047.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> From: Melinda Shore Message-ID: <3e656b7a-9598-a0e6-0a49-f186130c2c18@nomountain.net> Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 22:26:53 -0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.12; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <876076n047.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="9ffYrSDOEgW5LNDDmwsoEOZrIIwNgh5RZ" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] Meeting logistics for 2/17 interim meeting X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 07:27:00 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --9ffYrSDOEgW5LNDDmwsoEOZrIIwNgh5RZ Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="xuqYW7CM7uOapYXSARTTT0Wmv92CYVXMA"; protected-headers="v1" From: Melinda Shore To: din@irtf.org Message-ID: <3e656b7a-9598-a0e6-0a49-f186130c2c18@nomountain.net> Subject: Re: [Din] Meeting logistics for 2/17 interim meeting References: <151740852950.7777.5484730942488995664@ietfa.amsl.com> <876076n047.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> In-Reply-To: <876076n047.fsf@ta.scs.stanford.edu> --xuqYW7CM7uOapYXSARTTT0Wmv92CYVXMA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2/8/18 9:33 PM, David Mazieres wrote: > Hi, is any more information available about meeting logistics for the > Saturday 2/17 meeting? We'll be getting an agenda out early next week, but basically the interim is being held at the Catamaran Resort in San Diego, in conjunction with NDSS. Rooms should still be available at the conference rate, through the NDSS website. There is no charge for participation in the dinrg interim. Right now we expect to start at 9am. We'll have remote participation available but it's not going to be great - basically we'll be using Zoom or Hangouts on a local laptop tied into the in-room A/V system. Please let us know if you'd like time on the agenda. Melinda --=20 Software longa, hardware brevis PGP fingerprint: 4F68 2D93 2A17 96F8 20F2 34C0 DFB8 9172 9A76 DB8F --xuqYW7CM7uOapYXSARTTT0Wmv92CYVXMA-- --9ffYrSDOEgW5LNDDmwsoEOZrIIwNgh5RZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJRBAEBCgA7FiEET2gtkyoXlvgg8jTA37iRcpp2248FAlp9TT4dHG1lbGluZGEu c2hvcmVAbm9tb3VudGFpbi5uZXQACgkQ37iRcpp224/1ng/+OVwgX+uI0PCFOCf7 fabY4bmo5HohsRZ4SeNoz/gzl5d131IdR4QoVH4kiH5KnxkNFg5Pevm78J9//DJj Y91K+MefpeBdTTGKv6l958+mnMPNMTghhax6+bGKyX3X1r3sRFlgEGOPT/B8JJof RcQsq+QE8dO4VeE1oXWlXc4gQXPjGGiW07TqP0f6Bv6g/4t6ZJpJKFFmgtCLZ8QA c2QAQc4jU1ZhE6ACG+izi5yB4DhaVX605Aua3pXuDO9NkTBnd/BW4Kr11kKwpmvE cNeF6RBcR/7C3n8XyYKrROTwrTu8C1iX9aP13FWBQlBeQV8x8iUGoVqvlDtdrX5d 1xR/AHYY0Nm4NqI/G8CQVEhBSrqHWXbpBZZX45pUddDn7wzGCrVPvJ2t6gNpXBg0 1OWDfykx5WcUAoUnoJ/6IHsU27Y661g8IfaHMaNr3mTjlbJlvRliSxEVUW7aUMFd zJPYeI2cO9VqNFzt/28t1wFLM1DJkimLL87LEyaf9+M+Vw9/QLym5khWRavDiUfE hIEnvzVyzt+NHNxxANw4LTTc+x/BlXIW/ryWxxX6MfEagIeVq0+kFOooTls9JZYT aZAy8KMA/iQ96w/jtKMX4KaYRRXyHDdJyGp/gHYXh73/GS8yvJ86rsf6v5c9++qK HTM9JtjoAncC3qC0ItoVLhp512s= =Hc8z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9ffYrSDOEgW5LNDDmwsoEOZrIIwNgh5RZ-- From nobody Wed Feb 14 01:56:05 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E91127275 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:56:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MT3RRNL1sVWz for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 42C05126CF9 for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 01:56:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.43.233] ([82.113.121.78]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0ML7th-1emAm90Qhl-000Hin for ; Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:56:00 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 10:55:58 +0100 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: <319BD905-6039-4DB5-BC72-5DE38BB78B1E@dkutscher.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; markup=markdown X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:N2XElJPeOQ5nU75kFBEDPiRja6VuuTSKKC3koHD6vRVqgBYMdU9 FbZP4lRzbezoFdflHpsZLmG/gFwBLo7FF+xdvIY5EMmzOvwglSeWsDctiYDXpMf0+zzSkfI dl2IQa3cMvKPkOYEpzDoXjZr9ul957wYjp05KmSU2lCDSjP8483eW7//BPsaipb4SxW1glA 0RLYsJ/Ks6g5FmYaBTFvw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:vCH1t15NiFI=:/8Up1Xnls8HXWFyXW18/u4 2sGgCQG7zsxfqZhnbPcjWi+cbsX+CFRsiO/qJtwbFlwzVFu0JGhtFCWEWPn+RCEegK9Lk07Ly u0ZOPYpIAjPhyQRXP4kXmw6DY8G8DO0OC4SSvBTXgKA0zadkVG4BXYp8eBWN/u0o1OfItYCxo bA7hHZgvrWgBrG9WI99iodo41av3VMPDX6qWuDoh4sjbR3OPjpI21UgwyilsnB6hyR+v0AZHQ NKkEhrYCMLdKnTOS4DsMQA0LzbtHySsbNjDHYCZEC+ujo1ocSU3odBLYu0puwe/RuJFAMkj5z sEPENiLF3CCpgxIRMqk30h1FpehKf+Ah4hrXiF40z/4Qp71T+QLwPi3QkYu+CnOXXWvOGNjqJ YXG4fd+xgepdwGzmOyWCBiwRxzNjJdQevgVoAirTrUGlf6IIHuN2gcREXQlUTfREwxWcAnjJp bsefGqaDgTfcgNhwoaGQLP2zU6+fHmdPyCHjJezzcg7AOWZSoXZL4nsE4Q4LIvH/MwpktExwK gTfjgmCLYi8NpA9hGu3DvnFx+/LsvSkxa7li6bmkRwSrS0/3C0zuskpJjnTPkTrdsfTkXEFnH O9LJ9v3dGaNbxm1+Qyqwa6D8SuPeoAIr1Gl2KbogadVQPyrjbChiwpAT+G31Jo4ojPSiRTpZi HRjtcJXomaZtQIFX5A3rgiuJhi668uwcdOOJzS14bp2tjOFBgq+851DiP9iqp9aDNG/sgfmhz ccDmg3ihbbkbxFsU/oQioM3dHn11wCsYk6/nzxp3ZT7Kcf/JM+CcshH0nMA= Archived-At: Subject: [Din] DINRG interim meeting logistics and draft agenda X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 09:56:04 -0000 Hi all, We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on Saturday on the DINRG Wiki: https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart (Also contains remote participation information) The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to share ideas, research results etc. For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know (either by adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by notifying Melinda and me). Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego, Melinda and Dirk From nobody Fri Feb 16 08:02:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FADB1275FD for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:02:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aLgTpKnJFt1H for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:02:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4B2CB126579 for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:02:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.239] ([12.9.176.194]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MbLRw-1f3HwV445U-00IooF for ; Fri, 16 Feb 2018 17:02:12 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:02:08 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <319BD905-6039-4DB5-BC72-5DE38BB78B1E@dkutscher.net> References: <319BD905-6039-4DB5-BC72-5DE38BB78B1E@dkutscher.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:+n3HfL3UcHM75A1sOxXrMg3hyqtFvOwnkg1WI32qks0Ij+KA95w ulZ0h/5CZUGalHhBEUZWUzAQLfAHkXk+D1i47T0Ff/G1Xr9vQllVdNX1RcKGhmuwZ8hTCKn yr+OXw5LG6KuaBLTjktyglcpqdH08cNfc6N0D5PMfZ5HCIJXecrh15/BI9iqfvg7D/gm8Sh pyqPZqRBb4dbECCEBPsag== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:R0a+twnYQUw=:FoVDfLRw0RPsWOPLAPX0BM zFBt4XOLU8wxADrU1RAATT3MAaA8Bf350bzsvv+fMt63G9VIyDA/IT6PA+BEgB6uWns/q0OPF SYLfrFmLwoy0Uc1GE9Phv0iV9UsIBC+O1AgwD9G3xcdfmVlleAOmwMsJ7jRXmVyddtcn36mZv K6BUBIfzmEdrN4FqxKRwaZHTOj1Y8wTvzW+59S48282Psn3/FsewYChCHUVq0kLwgvyhLAMDm xVltn++nutPFtNXcMhZnuUUZLdNhiyDTL2Bw6UZ8ZUsSlLI2qPUPgAR6wvZEvHEin1m40ANJf w1oSaZjslqoYet/KO0QgR70eRGunSkhEcXTqeDt16xkNUeKBspodw+Rd+d3CInTg73u81czkU XWIao7QUfgVex6QAzo64l1iSipb97bAspmY0whFubOyBw/UnYkbQovSOayJmrLKVSLxAtk1fN rv4y/3ysfUlB0HLjidZe0pGqhW0Ou/Grvf3AIPW3ZrUR8eLWo8Dh4kMHg8vUwtTqmXWAdyVno BrZ+w0xCxAgRbDpwZf7jiIQ4y1W02gSArr5SSmOETfFi3CU3SzFzPa4h9jkKVxPgzzvmeDIGn j7mNlBErJDA0zaMHarSvckjq+yQHWxoeWYsiRa+ux91zdaYCx5jmm4ubM0NePi9l1jV6CSObH b3bYuEYe3Xjl8gDwbtlymtKQIakav9qOhqIBBKqCAAonU43oWe/k8WzyoFwOnZiY288u3Fl0P DTFmafZgmqXQRG+tzro6d6p0R1hqtV7niZkjBwfR8UIQ1iLBWOYcGHqAbc0= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG interim meeting logistics and draft agenda X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 16:02:18 -0000 Hi all, We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven’t changed): Time Topic Presenter Duration 09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min 09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George Polyzos 30 min 10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min 10:40 Break (no refreshments provided) 11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management System Sydney Li 30 min 11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya Suzuki 30 min 12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min 12:30 Lunch (self-organized) 14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min 14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research scope, use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min 16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min 16:30 End of Meeting https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart See you tomorrow, Melinda and Dirk On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Hi all, > > We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on > Saturday on the DINRG Wiki: > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart > > (Also contains remote participation information) > > The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to share > ideas, research results etc. > > For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know > (either by adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by > notifying Melinda and me). > > Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego, > > Melinda and Dirk > > > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Sat Feb 17 07:45:09 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 743AF1277BB for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:45:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yFhIoUE19NVM for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:45:04 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7C7081275AB for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:45:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.239] ([12.9.176.194]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue002 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mfe4h-1f7deY11xL-00P5Dv for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:45:01 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 07:44:57 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: References: <319BD905-6039-4DB5-BC72-5DE38BB78B1E@dkutscher.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:XBOopHDlCuDAL3Xo5YT968s6iEu9v4GzQvpvAFAUDhIZVz56qoV is6a0mfVLmd+cNuPNbHsqYWTDsk3KRi3qcTQVqYrmdSa07+MXIE1KkhEU0RPMEnRXnyBHSS THVcgLhV+V11xKEHebtTyD4Ny5CCWTDzlvG+jhnSSMSd+3jOXMhw6kgrqtATIgOuyfsZbP1 Ye9+sLx2MeaBMPbw/trEw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:/y0xu2QGMeE=:6MCCKBRFdt+YfFaPgkuSdz MVCXAX6rPp0lDSQnpUBMcGGYXFY1d5GOl+l+tDGsT3HNwo+1uZ+prAEPzxnxoy89n4YcJgO1q SQawltTMqb/YZjbZYIuIlNYFzVp3gYw0pl9m+1AYmvxSti27btpANfMUZVpptuvV3FsXUpQrs DlT0gmp2OSmwtv2e2foWUk58FYEToBTw69PgoGuXm8v21Oy+IjLLwNGI7EquzyNr+EqsxEphb akJAuCD/i/3dMH+y7wjPwNmmo60gY5ITWtZ/fhoQzi0wT99zE70ozI3ADC6yClws5a/dDOmTy GUnRH/yzfRo4C6Cn0zW3bx32Rq6xpVD5QsAzNt0avBR7o3Lp/wTRPynJ7nvPUXUnRQxpwtxIa 0DnaOxo8g83mfvSFTzKhaObBJ2DQWzz5oBP0pD/CdN26czCmlqMwJ5BWbCqgjinmAkawVvVh2 0Bmhq98mFtDWdA3l22Dv1HmZIbtgTxlgWBCfQ3hswOnP/ujmbP/T1Xh8ZLgnCA1CoDSxCyX22 BXCRB+o9SJ98wZmdWKkodte7X8eMATtepotnAugRAl6z5cXLZlPprgzINbDF7CL5Gy7o5X4pu m/GqiuT/FlmGFaly4qVFKY6aXaQTlIolUAJ7rGmPRh+xlEKTiYE+2GV1lr+bzjozdL8WO366c JfriKS7QoW5TiB5YeDlZ5ZVQc8Q2spGP/1UXc5qufDAmHZpBioMHPxAPz0/vMo1czM4BmFA4m SRpRQCywwVi9Zl+yCf4FD9IGgZLVGwlCxVkvzXtY8wkasDu+nlzKNSQdEe4= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG interim meeting logistics and draft agenda X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 15:45:05 -0000 Hi all, To all presenters, please send us your presentation slides before the meeting (to make is easier for remote attendees to follow the meeting). Thanks, Melinda and Dirk On 16 Feb 2018, at 8:02, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Hi all, > > We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven’t > changed): > > Time Topic Presenter Duration > 09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min > 09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George > Polyzos 30 min > 10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min > 10:40 Break (no refreshments provided) > 11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management > System Sydney Li 30 min > 11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya > Suzuki 30 min > 12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min > 12:30 Lunch (self-organized) > 14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min > 14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research > scope, use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min > 16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min > 16:30 End of Meeting > > https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart > > See you tomorrow, > > Melinda and Dirk > > > > > > On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on >> Saturday on the DINRG Wiki: >> >> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart >> >> (Also contains remote participation information) >> >> The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to share >> ideas, research results etc. >> >> For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know >> (either by adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by >> notifying Melinda and me). >> >> Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego, >> >> Melinda and Dirk >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din From nobody Sat Feb 17 09:22:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95825126BF6 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:21:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1G0FNdlrClT7 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 628931205D3 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:21:57 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.25.3.239] ([67.52.140.5]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue102 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MLPHO-1enePg3JBa-000YqJ for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:21:55 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:21:50 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: <31B2EAC5-1979-4732-90F5-1ABA1547E1D2@dkutscher.net> In-Reply-To: References: <319BD905-6039-4DB5-BC72-5DE38BB78B1E@dkutscher.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_6F2618C5-05DE-4E85-BC11-CC47305F3FCA_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:2xF9SlnkOz21oaBZjfebTusTQh7CqXf8qG0Ry2WbMAKKhEaO1ok DRuVbmcmGIwJE/SdoqihbuD+bfkaVtdrdHhcE66rh0sodLJlshpu9AuIZ9H5KJWbU/I3YIH 1WF2FNswMOEZxXzCimUPu+IfSyoE3+Tjep7kyzwWrPtE9Qu9b2qFLJE8SFMmp6bV+8dY/hB y1ioXLLPi8dWVdDUIJbaA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:j3IggVxwOrw=:6yj2kNi4+ZcemRHEWb19A9 9j5Vwc5qNJS/nbS38A/PE/ucNjBv5mKugA9wZ+Sg7GcxXngEA1x36SXXt+lebDw07guYxWPSt yMqD0wlbQoZ3lIbQjIeAnhQg17VwlsGHLjUm9BNZHjUwFjkHUEF4nEjrBNofOdcGVOG8KpK40 i32CL6V03HNynNA2YSKtqeKkMjq8PhnuOqnN3H1IvDEfSX5mb9slOptxI4GnA0Ex8ZynaG4M1 7rI+0CRmHsWgfLvczOKYHv4Sh3oNjH6maObL+AVGS2pBSaOqG3TAx1OZ0phKW3rQMqvXkBQS8 ar34ML9fy8lX6rs4UI6DlthIoKt73v2sWlzfXFauNYgg7Guspvs1jEXycEd346OfIiaUSpyTb iWXU92opgyUYxJv1j3pqQG5nbtplBPUur14zgVhgOsgI9Kli0ORcaJxDQwcWz6vpU13/TwsYT SG9nB2xoactrBMTFKant+cCviNPR96x/WyhUfKGSkbVApo9b62M/+ztFnH8tMM+lHwxmfuVTf +K2nb5T7JMo3wNLBbBKmGw/+RKhulObJ0eXBSWZrLWLYFoVl6rK4t+RsKfGcWSlQam/Nfa64t FVoBkfFaeVgScs5QtUIIndeJBLdOqrkqLs31RM4v3AS6D2iWCPtazynrbH3bjPN6nm2B/exiY a+R6SxIk7+4o3DtJj2nwVPI/JLv86WITzJmOz63401/eocv+dxCUQpenGySCoZh5xYBV/1DCE MKSkT+PjqlJZ10srCWA4Moil2TLuy/aI1AeFooa9wI5u4aXL0V46QYVdr/I= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG interim meeting logistics and draft agenda X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:21:59 -0000 --=_MailMate_6F2618C5-05DE-4E85-BC11-CC47305F3FCA_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In case you have problems finding the meeting room: we are in the *Rousseau Suite* (there are multiple rooms called Rousseau-something). Dirk On 17 Feb 2018, at 7:44, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Hi all, > > To all presenters, please send us your presentation slides before the > meeting (to make is easier for remote attendees to follow the > meeting). > > Thanks, > Melinda and Dirk > > On 16 Feb 2018, at 8:02, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven’t >> changed): >> >> Time Topic Presenter Duration >> 09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min >> 09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George >> Polyzos 30 min >> 10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min >> 10:40 Break (no refreshments provided) >> 11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management >> System Sydney Li 30 min >> 11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya >> Suzuki 30 min >> 12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min >> 12:30 Lunch (self-organized) >> 14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min >> 14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research >> scope, use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min >> 16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min >> 16:30 End of Meeting >> >> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart >> >> See you tomorrow, >> >> Melinda and Dirk >> >> >> >> >> >> On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on >>> Saturday on the DINRG Wiki: >>> >>> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart >>> >>> (Also contains remote participation information) >>> >>> The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to >>> share ideas, research results etc. >>> >>> For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know >>> (either by adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by >>> notifying Melinda and me). >>> >>> Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego, >>> >>> Melinda and Dirk >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Din mailing list >>> Din@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din --=_MailMate_6F2618C5-05DE-4E85-BC11-CC47305F3FCA_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

In case you have problems finding the meeting room: we ar= e in the Rousseau Suite (there are multiple rooms called Roussea= u-something).

Dirk

On 17 Feb 2018, at 7:44, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

To all presenters, please send us your presentation slides before the mee= ting (to make is easier for remote attendees to follow the meeting).

Thanks,
Melinda and Dirk

On 16 Feb 2018, at 8:02, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven=E2=80=99t cha= nged):

Time Topic Presenter Duration
09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min
09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George Polyzo= s 30 min
10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min
10:40 Break (no refreshments provided)
11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management System Sydney L= i 30 min
11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya Suzuki 30= min
12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min
12:30 Lunch (self-organized)
14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min
14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research scope= , use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min
16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min
16:30 End of Meeting

https://trac.= ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart

See you tomorrow,

Melinda and Dirk





On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on Saturda= y on the DINRG Wiki:

https://trac.= ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart

(Also contains remote participation information)

The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to share ide= as, research results etc.

For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know (either b= y adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by notifying Meli= nda and me).

Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego,

Melinda and Dirk



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Din@irtf.org
https://www.irtf.or= g/mailman/listinfo/din

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--=_MailMate_6F2618C5-05DE-4E85-BC11-CC47305F3FCA_=-- From nobody Sat Feb 17 09:37:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 298141276AF for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:37:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fRGz-giIYfRo for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:37:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.10]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id F0D121205D3 for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:37:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.25.3.239] ([67.52.140.5]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue105 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lutsn-1eec7N2aQL-0107UV for ; Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:37:37 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:37:33 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: <2A3BC54E-E10E-4DD1-BD31-1DB264BDA6BA@dkutscher.net> In-Reply-To: <31B2EAC5-1979-4732-90F5-1ABA1547E1D2@dkutscher.net> References: <319BD905-6039-4DB5-BC72-5DE38BB78B1E@dkutscher.net> <31B2EAC5-1979-4732-90F5-1ABA1547E1D2@dkutscher.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_A982DD05-DFDB-4430-827C-95681015E0D6_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Embedded-HTML: [{"HTML":[1472, 3857], "plain":[139, 2566], "uuid":"18A4E17A-E7B0-4074-8827-1504EE8A9C56"}] X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:7mjGZCtcGS6/xke98jDbBFjzbgrAt1YMjvPdNRer3wSwsrPKc6M KTvGcclTpLv4T1fRjQD6faxwE0538bKHti9Yv/mTlRtqoKpaYZQQDpcAoy4TNfRiTojeAnf JlgTPNm+itLT1EEws19MC7Z5O7Q5f9zeXd2ezS3ZloX0mfJ9A3L7Am5eM1hpS3Y8kkiMMLy c7a4Y+aAfxlM1JTfeH50w== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:8lH//r6Fn7Q=:LLtUIoj+bJWF7uM3tMX7/D tYRV+XhAyplDlnDVb8hPNebnRAiQ2yBExc1UzMCYqyjqNVzHbFq505Yc8c+Qap2rsMkPk+c5l tglLW13dMeDWny35LWJZU/lkPCZ3hTbzznd7QrvzKIKHnIgK4kOPCN7WjqUNlTIfnhVXz4wex 57rmG6stpNkgk0Mg0ciLATbSmPt/rhdoxXTa93aN0ofIuXMVu2oVBKni8shds3f5LcCx0sVC7 8o9lBzGDaZ/eu1WXfP1QhbMgVwblrFz6yNqcdDvEE7kRM77GntjAfsD15TpAReXioi+wFxT0L eB1nso5Q2BGPlbFpQUroTRY2yI0UtEbMvMgdQ3V5gcjDWT8Is+tRVXAKLhNU2S1o5AMTr8cS+ AX40PlT4TrttJnqyDcjCUy0ny/2GG5aptYGyIHSuvyRsZjrWBwggCusNw293hBJInVc5Dbe6H 4qbc1IgydNPT4WOdNZOa8cS67dX1o1AXdLkblU/7tPFKDR/yptCgEgXOUUxwJRvZL/p5ZLTAO S229K97ECvSjyiehI7gHn2E9HGmoBhdnLfENyr+hLvIZJYKzY9uOMefgcOnfPtjueDPl0Qz4D smGqPbHT1l603+Ld+vkUDOpudRdjitQUbtW5yeGfYdKpt2ex07eYzMao3UehBSvfNQXkS525a k7wfRPU/egBZY1qu5zl87miCEv2aPPV2qYPMw+d3Ct11A84DC6j4tkjObSHKzKqmTMqTZ9eW1 wtN/S5i5h0WrUw0ndtifyaXmsw93NpLOQtma1Z+n0zfMgejh+a1y5u+wQP8= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG interim meeting logistics and draft agenda X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:37:41 -0000 --=_MailMate_A982DD05-DFDB-4430-827C-95681015E0D6_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Meeting starts within the next 5 min — we are optimizing the AV/projector setup. Dirk On 17 Feb 2018, at 9:21, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > In case you have problems finding the meeting room: we are in the > *Rousseau Suite* (there are multiple rooms called Rousseau-something). > > Dirk > > On 17 Feb 2018, at 7:44, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> To all presenters, please send us your presentation slides before the >> meeting (to make is easier for remote attendees to follow the >> meeting). >> >> Thanks, >> Melinda and Dirk >> >> On 16 Feb 2018, at 8:02, Dirk Kutscher wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven’t >>> changed): >>> >>> Time Topic Presenter Duration >>> 09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min >>> 09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George >>> Polyzos 30 min >>> 10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min >>> 10:40 Break (no refreshments provided) >>> 11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management >>> System Sydney Li 30 min >>> 11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya >>> Suzuki 30 min >>> 12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min >>> 12:30 Lunch (self-organized) >>> 14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min >>> 14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research >>> scope, use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min >>> 16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min >>> 16:30 End of Meeting >>> >>> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart >>> >>> See you tomorrow, >>> >>> Melinda and Dirk >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on >>>> Saturday on the DINRG Wiki: >>>> >>>> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart >>>> >>>> (Also contains remote participation information) >>>> >>>> The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to >>>> share ideas, research results etc. >>>> >>>> For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know >>>> (either by adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by >>>> notifying Melinda and me). >>>> >>>> Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego, >>>> >>>> Melinda and Dirk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Din mailing list >>>> Din@irtf.org >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Din mailing list >>> Din@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din --=_MailMate_A982DD05-DFDB-4430-827C-95681015E0D6_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Meeting starts within the next 5= min =E2=80=94 we are optimizing the AV/projector setup.

Dirk

On 17 Feb 2018, at 9:21, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

In case you have problems finding the meeting room: we ar= e in the Rousseau Suite (there are multiple rooms called Roussea= u-something).

Dirk

On 17 Feb 2018, at 7:44, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

To all presenters, please send us your presentation slides before the mee= ting (to make is easier for remote attendees to follow the meeting).

Thanks,
Melinda and Dirk

On 16 Feb 2018, at 8:02, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven=E2=80=99t cha= nged):

Time Topic Presenter Duration
09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min
09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George Polyzo= s 30 min
10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min
10:40 Break (no refreshments provided)
11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management System Sydney L= i 30 min
11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya Suzuki 30= min
12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min
12:30 Lunch (self-organized)
14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min
14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research scope= , use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min
16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min
16:30 End of Meeting

https://trac.= ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart

See you tomorrow,

Melinda and Dirk





On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on Saturda= y on the DINRG Wiki:

https://trac.= ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart

(Also contains remote participation information)

The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to share ide= as, research results etc.

For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know (either b= y adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by notifying Meli= nda and me).

Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego,

Melinda and Dirk



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--=_MailMate_A982DD05-DFDB-4430-827C-95681015E0D6_=-- From nobody Mon Feb 19 06:18:02 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD9512762F for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:18:01 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kxtfit7IT-gQ for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:17:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.133]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 159D31242F7 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:17:58 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.6.239] ([12.9.176.194]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue001 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lg9rw-1eSknA1UkW-00njcs for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:17:56 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 06:17:52 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <2A3BC54E-E10E-4DD1-BD31-1DB264BDA6BA@dkutscher.net> References: <319BD905-6039-4DB5-BC72-5DE38BB78B1E@dkutscher.net> <31B2EAC5-1979-4732-90F5-1ABA1547E1D2@dkutscher.net> <2A3BC54E-E10E-4DD1-BD31-1DB264BDA6BA@dkutscher.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_F8566C50-1263-430E-AB9D-D50A3BACB8C2_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Embedded-HTML: [{"HTML":[1737, 5476], "plain":[289, 2925], "uuid":"6F47DD12-E327-4536-900A-9667761FD908"}] X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:V5CHQKOUl/jmWdeAln5Selx5ipQwnC8ftnjIIDOoKgo8ZBp76sm 2SL4H0mc48lxhBfF56htl3kxqEgewVL8gxujkgpraZNN7jgAzH5Uwl43ZCFKYHfxh0LfjJs V956nFQhtKuZppGrXbmspkrvJ+qJ2NBKAvihKhnCAnXH2a52YGY1yzwQlLHTuWNgncp9Zmb ogVL+yvpE7LwI0IRG2V2Q== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:C2cQ/KP8IuM=:xg7vo9VLdjXr1awO/It2hu krHrbx9B/iNnRlIMnyiOyCwARoWYOirrJPeCQ3eB1/CNPAx0oAICdoEw3XmTjjxQ+E0L/HF7H MUwf+thax+aFMENYE5SpKFY36DdUIveY4yxW7Z+RBkRPdi0+JuqVPsTZrvz5Uy247zDAWw2Oq 9T8gqw9Sa1xs5tsfUXrsef//dCWIntnEPnYCCuTM2hVSqOEuSRVDdPsACxY3lLdRvT0gnWtvh 9sg3W0nEvmJqwceHMwjfKCapQ6JHXPU6RETYKqymroX7/BErPVRQsEgGLQg5TxjAhbe40r2k9 eOROZZtMmhwlfAuXl6vL2vMycSR6J1UhSVHse53NXqeqWDdHNScZmzfGOyikoLdj/w/SKgAIl z2/nnwCSVSgXbKof/qPIuA9lPwIlR9qxPpUFpf4Ms1w3YtXV7GNayCfweCFEYMrqmQx+5/y75 p42CqDe3uBVDwtupbxlLmLaPl0oZjje0A2Nb4yuvEdN6nA3hFnudaP56XvYquuFWc3QOSC/DW BXtmuijCFuYHRKsYdi45MvI0cY7GyxSuRbJjniFAOX4aL5WKD40WfZyqsSzfMyUYx9pOEwBAe OKS+RdCxIpZg6Bj0j25vpnjxE0dUYlv74L2tS/AFkYwZOL3gD/a7yWdYJcH1UhRDFZ1GLLm5F mRak3VczhpMFiw3XiStV/oyPMCidKbHIWZkEAc8qFSxSKH+sJqoj3w9DMXjVonlE8hHCiafp0 yzWaAaOdc/M/y3bQtLtVBkjRL2j5pNF20cCH+/fvP+rIHnjTIP/HjBDhz8Y= Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Din] DINRG interim meeting logistics and draft agenda X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 14:18:01 -0000 --=_MailMate_F8566C50-1263-430E-AB9D-D50A3BACB8C2_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks to everyone attending here in San Diego and remotely. While we are working on the minutes, you can find all presentations material here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-dinrg-01/session/dinrg Best regards, Dirk On 17 Feb 2018, at 9:37, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > Meeting starts within the next 5 min — we are optimizing the > AV/projector setup. > > Dirk > > On 17 Feb 2018, at 9:21, Dirk Kutscher wrote: > >> In case you have problems finding the meeting room: we are in the >> *Rousseau Suite* (there are multiple rooms called >> Rousseau-something). >> >> Dirk >> >> On 17 Feb 2018, at 7:44, Dirk Kutscher wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> To all presenters, please send us your presentation slides before >>> the meeting (to make is easier for remote attendees to follow the >>> meeting). >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Melinda and Dirk >>> >>> On 16 Feb 2018, at 8:02, Dirk Kutscher wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven’t >>>> changed): >>>> >>>> Time Topic Presenter Duration >>>> 09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min >>>> 09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George >>>> Polyzos 30 min >>>> 10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min >>>> 10:40 Break (no refreshments provided) >>>> 11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management >>>> System Sydney Li 30 min >>>> 11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya >>>> Suzuki 30 min >>>> 12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min >>>> 12:30 Lunch (self-organized) >>>> 14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min >>>> 14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research >>>> scope, use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min >>>> 16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min >>>> 16:30 End of Meeting >>>> >>>> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart >>>> >>>> See you tomorrow, >>>> >>>> Melinda and Dirk >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on >>>>> Saturday on the DINRG Wiki: >>>>> >>>>> https://trac.ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart >>>>> >>>>> (Also contains remote participation information) >>>>> >>>>> The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to >>>>> share ideas, research results etc. >>>>> >>>>> For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know >>>>> (either by adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or >>>>> by notifying Melinda and me). >>>>> >>>>> Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego, >>>>> >>>>> Melinda and Dirk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Din mailing list >>>>> Din@irtf.org >>>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Din mailing list >>>> Din@irtf.org >>>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Din mailing list >>> Din@irtf.org >>> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din --=_MailMate_F8566C50-1263-430E-AB9D-D50A3BACB8C2_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Thanks to everyone attending her= e in San Diego and remotely.

While we are working on the minutes, you can find all pre= sentations material here:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-dinrg-01/se= ssion/dinrg


Best regards,
Dirk

On 17 Feb 2018, at 9:37, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Meeting starts within the next 5= min =E2=80=94 we are optimizing the AV/projector setup.

Dirk

On 17 Feb 2018, at 9:21, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

In case you have problems finding the meeting room: we ar= e in the Rousseau Suite (there are multiple rooms called Roussea= u-something).

Dirk

On 17 Feb 2018, at 7:44, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

To all presenters, please send us your presentation slides before the mee= ting (to make is easier for remote attendees to follow the meeting).

Thanks,
Melinda and Dirk

On 16 Feb 2018, at 8:02, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

We updated the agenda a bit (logistics and start time haven=E2=80=99t cha= nged):

Time Topic Presenter Duration
09:30 Welcome, Intro, Agenda Bashing Melinda, Dirk 10 min
09:40 Secure Open Federation for the Internet of Everywhere George Polyzo= s 30 min
10:10 Decentralized Computing Environments Michal Krol 30 min
10:40 Break (no refreshments provided)
11:10 KeyNet: A Secure, Distributed Public Key Management System Sydney L= i 30 min
11:40 Blockchain as an Audit-Able Communication Channel Shigeya Suzuki 30= min
12:10 Distributed Name Rewriting Christian Tschudin 20 min
12:30 Lunch (self-organized)
14:00 NDSS DISS Workshop preview Dirk 20 min
14:20 Decentralized Internet Infrastructure: Discussion on research scope= , use cases, next steps Melinda, Dirk 120 min
16:20 Summary, Wrap up, Next Steps Melinda, Dirk 10 min
16:30 End of Meeting

https://trac.= ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart

See you tomorrow,

Melinda and Dirk





On 14 Feb 2018, at 1:55, Dirk Kutscher wrote:

Hi all,

We have put some logistics information for the interim meeting on Saturda= y on the DINRG Wiki:

https://trac.= ietf.org/trac/dinrg/wiki/WikiStart

(Also contains remote participation information)

The agenda is still evolving. Please let us know if you want to share ide= as, research results etc.

For those of you who are planning to attend, please let us know (either b= y adding yourself to the attendees table in the Wiki or by notifying Meli= nda and me).

Looking forward so seeing you in San Diego,

Melinda and Dirk



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--=_MailMate_F8566C50-1263-430E-AB9D-D50A3BACB8C2_=-- From nobody Mon Feb 19 11:44:48 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47CBA126C19 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:44:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d46gC0PcV731 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:44:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.130]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 88A0D1204DA for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:44:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.25.3.239] ([67.52.140.5]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue004 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ls5Pv-1edIxA1GNb-013xB0 for ; Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:44:43 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: din@irtf.org Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 11:44:39 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: <705263B4-1FCE-4087-988F-7973420DD82F@dkutscher.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; markup=markdown Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:byu/l2xxpcy5MUn4DfPKE6hs3FSzfZGuitut3osD86BRcikdIri ZyrUSsNd+Ot+G+7/aVAPkjzxt3dx4HgwWLkA5jt3/2sCxib3tPUuGK4DZuPBBDRF8hLhz+9 KE0Ie8UClcQmuVkBI7FxxngnBnOpuuzGcEPIMkGTekk6FtVRTNY9JaxRdpDThi2PXqIhF7N nJzxKI+IUvVtesyq0aNvw== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:j23q3ouoZcE=:QCOvNwYDLY++mUhpiURhmh OjyZqbSNPbrOKQcKKLuZjCrn06VDQsrQETQFmFz0Iguv6kv2Y5egy1gPliiyhFvY5w4fidkNC kQjh7nzJ0HadwcqyyRhWWXpWPzdHY5kmf5mbqHxHpPfOa5TgI01N4M0VpMAU03gwjL3nUX24i 4TduW6Otg6ZuGlXsRrl6+RaFe5xzON4I6jkTXIhbxba4j1WoffUsVgDAwA34Bbd4gX5GXnSLs To1HWmCMtwV84okjPnQ8z1SrBhaggvayRbVyT+KzUtX8JJFhls4N0af/+baQJyPO8conWteWM 9RcVLMMxkmjlnX+/lv5vRn9HuGK58/FoHMgT222Sh5l6My6gQjWdWJyHNmpQnNB5fXscI2l/Q gTSJpTAfVJvgE8rWLObBrnBT8tkFZYFZ3XG8y2KWPsJICpYcgHvch7Kzd5vm9l0MWRtBpAh2L joywEQpTcW1kgr8qXgWSBpIeNWJfmv2KJiXLnRvXnWwMaWKCQxqbdvcZoyR5H8XeCH3dtVNR7 qnRXthyValAuIs8oES2oYsH/qPcHRJ+X87gAneQNjJ4RIN8wNqq7YUQAqCiJRYOfV+9OR5Ok6 R+dcRR49jedDJRmQeihdOUThCO6Dvj/UiDZqRlxI3iNe8sl6pLMyLtMQL1nmhcxQrYInN217q lG5OyP344XEHnAt9rgjRd9utSDe4UvJMXIpF6dkdh1dnnpTbbNWyEJYTH9GfFrrmTddX6ngPC jZTXKdF7/Ev1UvuEfBmyTxsIMRVachc+zZ9n0OOd8RhJVgdmCig2jjzoD3w= Archived-At: Subject: [Din] Draft Minutes of DINRG interim meeting at NDSS-2018 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 19:44:47 -0000 Hello, We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to = the datatracker: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-dinrg-01/materials/minu= tes-interim-2018-dinrg-01-201802170900 You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced = material in the minutes. Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in = taking the notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful f= or = the community. Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections. 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I am very happy to be part of IETF Distributed Internet Infrastructure. I will like to contribute ideas to advance the vision of a truly decentralised internet infrastructure. Would you all be able to share how can one from Singapore be part of something so crucial and important, please? I look forward to collaborating with all and hearing from you soon. Thank you. Regards, Nathan Aw https://sg.linkedin.com/in/awnathan http://www.nasdaq.com/article/guest-post-understanding-the-limits-and-potential-of-blockchain-technology-cm874892 https://www.hyperledger.org/blog/2017/12/05/developer-showcase-series-nathan-aw-ntt-data https://bitcoinmagazine.com/authors/nathan-aw/ https://github.com/nathanawmk --089e08248070e9fbea056515fc20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear all, Dirk, Melinda, David, Jon, Jordi, Paul, Mic= hael,

This is Nathan Aw from Singapore. I am v= ery happy to be part of IETF Distributed Internet Infrastructure.=C2=A0

I will like to contribute ideas to advance the vision= of a truly decentralised internet infrastructure.=C2=A0

Would you all be able to share how can one from Singapore be part of= something so crucial and important, please?=C2=A0

I look forward to collaborating with all and hearing from you soon.
<= div>
Thank you.=C2=A0

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I wish to know how can one contribute an= d contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure. I wish to be a participant and contributor. Please let me know how. Regards, Nathan Aw https://sg.linkedin.com/in/awnathan http://www.nasdaq.com/article/guest-post-understanding-the-limits-and-pote= ntial-of-blockchain-technology-cm874892 https://www.hyperledger.org/blog/2017/12/05/developer-showcase-series-nath= an-aw-ntt-data https://bitcoinmagazine.com/authors/nathan-aw/ https://github.com/nathanawmk ______________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: This email and any attachments are sent in strictest confidenc= e for the sole use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged, confidential, and proprietary data. 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Was Re: Draft Minutes of DINRG interim meeting at NDSS-2018 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 20:48:51 -0000 --f403045e6f9e41276e0565969a57 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you very much for these notes, Dirk! Dirk: there is competition for attention, what communities should we talk to, are there people we should try and get to these meetings? This is a problem which I am working to attack from the other end (blockchain community). https://bobsummerwill.com/about/ I have been working to bridge the Hyperledger and Ethereum communities since 2016 and was foundational to the creation of the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance. Those two consortia together cover pretty much the whole of enterprise. I am now actively working to try to bring these consortia closer together and ultimately hope to merge them into a single Enterprise blockchain consortium under the LF with Brian Behlendorf as the ED of the new group. Chris Ferris is the Chair of the Technical Steering Committee at Hyperledger. I have been in contact with Chris and Brian since May 2016 when I set up a FOSS Blockchain meetup outside of OSCON in Austin. http://hyperledger.org/members https://entethalliance.org/members/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianbehlendorf https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfer https://bobsummerwill.com/2016/06/12/cats-and-dogs-can-be-friends/ We are obviously reaching the stage of awareness where "What do blockchain standards look like?" is being asked. Together with "If Ethereum claims to be Web 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, W3C, IEEE, etc= " I met Walid Al-Safaq of the Internet Society in Vancouver a year ago. It was early then, but we had some green shoots starting to show. Now I think the time is absolutely ripe. https://www.linkedin.com/in/wsaqaf So I will be working to try to gather everyone at common tables (starting with DIN at IETF and Blockchain Community Group at W3C) so those dialogs can begin. https://www.w3.org/community/blockchain/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/martapiekarska Marta is Director of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key person at the Blockchain CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so has insight into Bitcoin. I am essentially an Ethereum person with interests in other smart contract projects but missed out on most of the early Bitcoin work. I have also been searching for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to help us plot a standards path for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to related smart contract platforms). For most of us, standards bodies are just an additional commitment which we are interested in, but do not have to do as a full-time role. That dynamic could be different for Mats. Just need to find a good spot and funding and hope he is still available :-). He has been working in standards bodies for decades. https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwichmann Another very recent development is the following, which can be seen as the Ethereum technical community taking control of the protocol, which is larger than any legal entity. Very much IETF inspired: https://medium.com/@gregcolvin/an-open-invitation-to-participate-in-a- fellowship-of-ethereum-magicians-44ee1af97af5 https://medium.com/@jpitts/an-open-invitation-to- participate-in-a-fellowship-of-ethereum-magicians-982e6143db4f https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcolvin https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiepitts https://www.linkedin.com/in/virgilgr https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicksdjohnson This Ethereum Community Conference in Paris on Mar 8-10 is a pretty crucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired model, which should give us a good hope of strong collaboration moving forward. https://ethcc.io What does it look like the next DIN event would be? An appropriate place for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyperledger people to attend F2F meetings with IETF? And with W3C, Marta? Walid had asked me whether WSIS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 might be useful? https://www.itu.int/net4/wsis/forum/2018/ Best wishes, Bob Summerwill https://bobsummerwill.com/contact/ On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" wrote: Hello, We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to the datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/m eeting/interim-2018-dinrg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018- dinrg-01-201802170900 You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced material in the minutes. Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in taking the notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful for the co= mmunity. Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections. Best regards, Melinda and Dirk _______________________________________________ Din mailing list Din@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din --f403045e6f9e41276e0565969a57 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thank you very much for these notes, Dirk!

Dirk: there is competition for attention, what= communities should we talk to, are there people we should try and get to t= hese meetings?

This is a problem which I am working to at= tack from the other end (blockchain community).


I have been working to bridge the Hyperledger and Ethereum= communities since 2016 and was foundational to the creation of the Enterpr= ise Ethereum Alliance.=C2=A0 Those two consortia together cover pretty much= the whole of enterprise.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am now actively working to try to b= ring these consortia closer together and ultimately hope to merge them into= a single Enterprise blockchain consortium under the LF with Brian Behlendo= rf as the ED of the new group.=C2=A0 Chris Ferris is the Chair of the Techn= ical Steering Committee at Hyperledger.=C2=A0 I have been in contact with C= hris and Brian since May 2016 when I set up a FOSS Blockchain meetup outsid= e of OSCON in Austin.




We are obviously reaching th= e stage of awareness where "What do blockchain standards look like?&qu= ot; is being asked.=C2=A0 Together with "If Ethereum claims to be Web = 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, W3C, IEEE, etc"<= /font>

I met Walid Al-Safaq of the Inter= net Society in Vancouver a year ago.=C2=A0 It was early then, but we had so= me green shoots starting to show.=C2=A0 Now I think the time is absolutely = ripe.


So I will be working t= o try to gather everyone at common tables (starting=C2=A0with DIN at IETF a= nd Blockchain Community Group at W3C) so those dialogs can begin.


Marta is Director of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key person at= the Blockchain CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so has insig= ht into Bitcoin.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am essentially an Ethereum person with inter= ests in other smart contract projects but missed out on most of the early B= itcoin work.

I have also been sea= rching for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to help us plot a standards = path for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to related smart contract pla= tforms).=C2=A0 For most of us, standards bodies are just an additional comm= itment which we are interested in, but do not have to do as a full-time rol= e.=C2=A0 That dynamic could be different for Mats.=C2=A0 Just need to find = a good spot and funding and hope he is still available :-).=C2=A0 He has be= en working in standards bodies for decades.
<= font face=3D"sans-serif">

Anot= her very recent development is the following, which can be seen as the Ethe= reum technical community taking control of the protocol, which is larger th= an any legal entity.=C2=A0 Very much IETF inspired:
=

https= ://www.linkedin.com/in/nicksdjohnson
This Ethereum Community Conference in Paris on Ma= r 8-10 is a pretty crucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired model, = which should give us a good hope of strong collaboration moving forward.


=
What does it look like the next DIN event would be?=C2=A0= An appropriate place for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyperledger= people to attend F2F meetings with IETF?=C2=A0 =C2=A0And with W3C, Marta?<= /div>

Walid had asked me wheth= er WSIS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 might be useful?



Best wishes,
Bob Summerwill
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On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" <ietf@dkutscher.net>= wrote:
Hello,

We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to th= e datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim= -2018-dinrg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018-dinrg-01-2018021709= 00

You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced material= in the minutes.

Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in taking t= he notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful for the com= munity.

Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections.
Best regards,
Melinda and Dirk


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Was Re: Draft Minutes of DINRG interim meeting at NDSS-2018 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 22:37:40 -0000 --001a1140fe2231433805659857f1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable For ICANN, this is currently being dealt with by Ethereum Name Service. If you want to do something with ICANN please ping Nick Johnson beforehand. If someone wants to do something with IETF right now, I suggest publishing a RFC on RLP encoding (there is already one for JSON: https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7159). -V On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 at 04:33, Bob Summerwill wrote: > Thank you very much for these notes, Dirk! > > Dirk: there is competition for attention, what communities should we talk > to, are there people we should try and get to these meetings? > > This is a problem which I am working to attack from the other end > (blockchain community). > > https://bobsummerwill.com/about/ > > I have been working to bridge the Hyperledger and Ethereum communities > since 2016 and was foundational to the creation of the Enterprise Ethereu= m > Alliance. Those two consortia together cover pretty much the whole of > enterprise. I am now actively working to try to bring these consortia > closer together and ultimately hope to merge them into a single Enterpris= e > blockchain consortium under the LF with Brian Behlendorf as the ED of the > new group. Chris Ferris is the Chair of the Technical Steering Committee > at Hyperledger. I have been in contact with Chris and Brian since May 20= 16 > when I set up a FOSS Blockchain meetup outside of OSCON in Austin. > > http://hyperledger.org/members > https://entethalliance.org/members/ > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianbehlendorf > https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfer > > https://bobsummerwill.com/2016/06/12/cats-and-dogs-can-be-friends/ > > We are obviously reaching the stage of awareness where "What do blockchai= n > standards look like?" is being asked. Together with "If Ethereum claims = to > be Web 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, W3C, IEEE, e= tc" > > I met Walid Al-Safaq of the Internet Society in Vancouver a year ago. It > was early then, but we had some green shoots starting to show. Now I thi= nk > the time is absolutely ripe. > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/wsaqaf > > So I will be working to try to gather everyone at common tables > (starting with DIN at IETF and Blockchain Community Group at W3C) so thos= e > dialogs can begin. > > https://www.w3.org/community/blockchain/ > https://www.linkedin.com/in/martapiekarska > > Marta is Director of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key person at the > Blockchain CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so has insight > into Bitcoin. I am essentially an Ethereum person with interests in oth= er > smart contract projects but missed out on most of the early Bitcoin work. > > I have also been searching for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to hel= p > us plot a standards path for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to > related smart contract platforms). For most of us, standards bodies are > just an additional commitment which we are interested in, but do not have > to do as a full-time role. That dynamic could be different for Mats. Ju= st > need to find a good spot and funding and hope he is still available :-). > He has been working in standards bodies for decades. > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwichmann > > Another very recent development is the following, which can be seen as th= e > Ethereum technical community taking control of the protocol, which is > larger than any legal entity. Very much IETF inspired: > > > https://medium.com/@gregcolvin/an-open-invitation-to-participate-in-a-fel= lowship-of-ethereum-magicians-44ee1af97af5 > > > https://medium.com/@jpitts/an-open-invitation-to-participate-in-a-fellows= hip-of-ethereum-magicians-982e6143db4f > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcolvin > https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiepitts > https://www.linkedin.com/in/virgilgr > https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicksdjohnson > > This Ethereum Community Conference in Paris on Mar 8-10 is a pretty > crucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired model, which should give > us a good hope of strong collaboration moving forward. > > https://ethcc.io > > What does it look like the next DIN event would be? An appropriate place > for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyperledger people to attend F2= F > meetings with IETF? And with W3C, Marta? > > Walid had asked me whether WSIS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 might > be useful? > > https://www.itu.int/net4/wsis/forum/2018/ > > > Best wishes, > Bob Summerwill > https://bobsummerwill.com/contact/ > > > On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" wrote: > > Hello, > > We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to > the datatracker: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018-dinrg-01/materials/minu= tes-interim-2018-dinrg-01-201802170900 > > You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced > material in the minutes. > > Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in taking > the notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful for the = community. > > Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections. > > Best regards, > Melinda and Dirk > > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > > --001a1140fe2231433805659857f1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
For ICANN, this is currently being dealt with by Eth= ereum Name Service. =C2=A0 If you want to do something with ICANN please pi= ng Nick Johnson beforehand.

If someone wants to do something with IETF right now, I suggest p= ublishing a RFC on RLP encoding (there is already one for JSON:=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc71= 59).

-V

On Tue, 20 Feb 2018 at 04:33, Bob Summerwill &= lt;bob@summerwill.net> wrote:<= br>
Thank you very mu= ch for these notes, Dirk!

Dirk: = there is competition for attention, what communities should we talk to, are= there people we should try and get to these meetings?

Th= is is a problem which I am working to attack from the other end (blockchain= community).


I have been working to b= ridge the Hyperledger and Ethereum communities since 2016 and was foundatio= nal to the creation of the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance.=C2=A0 Those two co= nsortia together cover pretty much the whole of enterprise.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I a= m now actively working to try to bring these consortia closer together and = ultimately hope to merge them into a single Enterprise blockchain consortiu= m under the LF with Brian Behlendorf as the ED of the new group.=C2=A0 Chri= s Ferris is the Chair of the Technical Steering Committee at Hyperledger.= =C2=A0 I have been in contact with Chris and Brian since May 2016 when I se= t up a FOSS Blockchain meetup outside of OSCON in Austin.

<= font face=3D"sans-serif">http://hyperledger.org/members
https://entethalliance.org/members/


=
We are obvious= ly reaching the stage of awareness where "What do blockchain standards= look like?" is being asked.=C2=A0 Together with "If Ethereum cla= ims to be Web 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, W3C, IE= EE, etc"

<= /font>
I met Walid Al-Safa= q of the Internet Society in Vancouver a year ago.=C2=A0 It was early then,= but we had some green shoots starting to show.=C2=A0 Now I think the time = is absolutely ripe.


So I will be = working to try to gather everyone at common tables (starting=C2=A0with DIN = at IETF and Blockchain Community Group at W3C) so those dialogs can begin.<= /font>

https://www.w3.org/community/blockcha= in/

Marta is Director of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key person at = the Blockchain CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so has insigh= t into Bitcoin.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am essentially an Ethereum person with intere= sts in other smart contract projects but missed out on most of the early Bi= tcoin work.

I have also been sear= ching for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to help us plot a standards p= ath for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to related smart contract plat= forms).=C2=A0 For most of us, standards bodies are just an additional commi= tment which we are interested in, but do not have to do as a full-time role= .=C2=A0 That dynamic could be different for Mats.=C2=A0 Just need to find a= good spot and funding and hope he is still available :-).=C2=A0 He has bee= n working in standards bodies for decades.


Another ve= ry recent development is the following, which can be seen as the Ethereum t= echnical community taking control of the protocol, which is larger than any= legal entity.=C2=A0 Very much IETF inspired:




This Ethereum Community Conference in Par= is on Mar 8-10 is a pretty crucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired= model, which should give us a good hope of strong collaboration moving for= ward.

What does it look like the next DIN event would b= e?=C2=A0 An appropriate place for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyp= erledger people to attend F2F meetings with IETF?=C2=A0 =C2=A0And with W3C,= Marta?

Walid had asked = me whether WSIS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 might be useful?
<= div dir=3D"auto">


Best wishes,
Bob Summerwill


On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" <ietf@dkutscher.net> wr= ote:
Hello,

We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to th= e datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim-2018= -dinrg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018-dinrg-01-201802170900

You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced material= in the minutes.

Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in taking t= he notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful for the com= munity.

Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections.
Best regards,
Melinda and Dirk


_______________________________________________
Din mailing list
Din@irtf.org
https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din

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Was Re: Draft Minutes of DINRG interim meeting at NDSS-2018 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 05:56:07 -0000 --94eb2c1189c8d6380c05659e7652 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Bob, Thanks for adding me to this important thread and I am truly willing and happy to help in any way I can. For standardisation efforts to be successful, I think one needs to take multiple tracks. The technology standards track (to illustrate that the proposed standards meet the scalability/interoperability requirements) and the policy track (to meet demands by law enforcement and governmental entities). At the Internet Society, we found out that this is the best sustainable approach to mitigate potential problems down the line and serve as a bridge between the technologists/scientists and other relevant stake holders including policy makers, the industry and end users, who we should always keep in mind as the ultimate beneficiary of any new technology, including blockchains. I believe the same also applies for IEEE, which has perfected its standardisation cycle over the years. See: http://standards.ieee.org/develop/index.html The question is what do you all have in mind for having your own standardisation efforts and where can I, the IEEE and others help. Sincerely, Walid On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Bob Summerwill wrote: > Thank you very much for these notes, Dirk! > > Dirk: there is competition for attention, what communities should we talk > to, are there people we should try and get to these meetings? > > This is a problem which I am working to attack from the other end > (blockchain community). > > https://bobsummerwill.com/about/ > > I have been working to bridge the Hyperledger and Ethereum communities > since 2016 and was foundational to the creation of the Enterprise Ethereu= m > Alliance. Those two consortia together cover pretty much the whole of > enterprise. I am now actively working to try to bring these consortia > closer together and ultimately hope to merge them into a single Enterpris= e > blockchain consortium under the LF with Brian Behlendorf as the ED of the > new group. Chris Ferris is the Chair of the Technical Steering Committee > at Hyperledger. I have been in contact with Chris and Brian since May 20= 16 > when I set up a FOSS Blockchain meetup outside of OSCON in Austin. > > http://hyperledger.org/members > https://entethalliance.org/members/ > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianbehlendorf > https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfer > > https://bobsummerwill.com/2016/06/12/cats-and-dogs-can-be-friends/ > > We are obviously reaching the stage of awareness where "What do blockchai= n > standards look like?" is being asked. Together with "If Ethereum claims = to > be Web 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, W3C, IEEE, e= tc" > > I met Walid Al-Safaq of the Internet Society in Vancouver a year ago. It > was early then, but we had some green shoots starting to show. Now I thi= nk > the time is absolutely ripe. > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/wsaqaf > > So I will be working to try to gather everyone at common tables > (starting with DIN at IETF and Blockchain Community Group at W3C) so thos= e > dialogs can begin. > > https://www.w3.org/community/blockchain/ > https://www.linkedin.com/in/martapiekarska > > Marta is Director of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key person at the > Blockchain CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so has insight > into Bitcoin. I am essentially an Ethereum person with interests in oth= er > smart contract projects but missed out on most of the early Bitcoin work. > > I have also been searching for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to hel= p > us plot a standards path for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to > related smart contract platforms). For most of us, standards bodies are > just an additional commitment which we are interested in, but do not have > to do as a full-time role. That dynamic could be different for Mats. Ju= st > need to find a good spot and funding and hope he is still available :-). > He has been working in standards bodies for decades. > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwichmann > > Another very recent development is the following, which can be seen as th= e > Ethereum technical community taking control of the protocol, which is > larger than any legal entity. Very much IETF inspired: > > https://medium.com/@gregcolvin/an-open-invitation-to- > participate-in-a-fellowship-of-ethereum-magicians-44ee1af97af5 > > https://medium.com/@jpitts/an-open-invitation-to-participate > -in-a-fellowship-of-ethereum-magicians-982e6143db4f > > https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcolvin > https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiepitts > https://www.linkedin.com/in/virgilgr > https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicksdjohnson > > This Ethereum Community Conference in Paris on Mar 8-10 is a pretty > crucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired model, which should give > us a good hope of strong collaboration moving forward. > > https://ethcc.io > > What does it look like the next DIN event would be? An appropriate place > for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyperledger people to attend F2= F > meetings with IETF? And with W3C, Marta? > > Walid had asked me whether WSIS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 might > be useful? > > https://www.itu.int/net4/wsis/forum/2018/ > > > Best wishes, > Bob Summerwill > https://bobsummerwill.com/contact/ > > > On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" wrote: > > Hello, > > We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to > the datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/m > eeting/interim-2018-dinrg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018- > dinrg-01-201802170900 > > You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced > material in the minutes. > > Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in taking > the notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful for the = community. > > Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections. > > Best regards, > Melinda and Dirk > > > _______________________________________________ > Din mailing list > Din@irtf.org > https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din > > > --94eb2c1189c8d6380c05659e7652 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Bob,

Tha= nks for adding me to this important thread and I am truly willing and happy= to help in any way I can.
For standardisation efforts = to be successful, I think one needs to take multiple tracks. The technology= standards track (to illustrate that the proposed standards meet the scalab= ility/interoperability requirements) and the policy track (to meet demands = by law enforcement and governmental entities). At the Internet Society, we = found out that this is the best sustainable approach to mitigate potential = problems down the line and serve as a bridge between the technologists/scie= ntists and other relevant stake holders including policy makers, the indust= ry and end users, who we should always keep in mind as the ultimate benefic= iary of any new technology, including blockchains. I believe the same also = applies for IEEE, which has perfected its standardisation cycle over the ye= ars. See:=C2=A0htt= p://standards.ieee.org/develop/index.html

The quest= ion is what do you all have in mind for having your own standardisation eff= orts and where can I, the IEEE and others help.


Sincerely,

Walid

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Bob Summerw= ill <bob@summerwill.net> wrote:
Thank you very much for these notes, Dirk!

Dirk: there is competition for attentio= n, what communities should we talk to, are there people we should try and g= et to these meetings?

This is a problem which I am workin= g to attack from the other end (blockchain community).


<= font face=3D"sans-serif">I have been working to bridge the Hyperledger and = Ethereum communities since 2016 and was foundational to the creation of the= Enterprise Ethereum Alliance.=C2=A0 Those two consortia together cover pre= tty much the whole of enterprise.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am now actively working to = try to bring these consortia closer together and ultimately hope to merge t= hem into a single Enterprise blockchain consortium under the LF with Brian = Behlendorf as the ED of the new group.=C2=A0 Chris Ferris is the Chair of t= he Technical Steering Committee at Hyperledger.=C2=A0 I have been in contac= t with Chris and Brian since May 2016 when I set up a FOSS Blockchain meetu= p outside of OSCON in Austin.


https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianbehlendorf

<= /font>

We are obviously rea= ching the stage of awareness where "What do blockchain standards look = like?" is being asked.=C2=A0 Together with "If Ethereum claims to= be Web 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, W3C, IEEE, et= c"

=
I met Walid Al-Safaq of t= he Internet Society in Vancouver a year ago.=C2=A0 It was early then, but w= e had some green shoots starting to show.=C2=A0 Now I think the time is abs= olutely ripe.

<= /font>
=
So I will be w= orking to try to gather everyone at common tables (starting=C2=A0with DIN a= t IETF and Blockchain Community Group at W3C) so those dialogs can begin.

https://www.w3.org/community/bloc= kchain/

Marta is Director of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key= person at the Blockchain CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so= has insight into Bitcoin.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am essentially an Ethereum person = with interests in other smart contract projects but missed out on most of t= he early Bitcoin work.

I have als= o been searching for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to help us plot a = standards path for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to related smart co= ntract platforms).=C2=A0 For most of us, standards bodies are just an addit= ional commitment which we are interested in, but do not have to do as a ful= l-time role.=C2=A0 That dynamic could be different for Mats.=C2=A0 Just nee= d to find a good spot and funding and hope he is still available :-).=C2=A0= He has been working in standards bodies for decades.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwichmann

Another very recent development is the following, which can be seen = as the Ethereum technical community taking control of the protocol, which i= s larger than any legal entity.=C2=A0 Very much IETF inspired:




This Ethereum Community Conference in Paris = on Mar 8-10 is a pretty crucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired mo= del, which should give us a good hope of strong collaboration moving forwar= d.


<= /div>
What does it look like the next DIN event would be?= =C2=A0 An appropriate place for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyper= ledger people to attend F2F meetings with IETF?=C2=A0 =C2=A0And with W3C, M= arta?

Walid had asked me= whether WSIS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 might be useful?



=
Best wishes,
Bob Summerwill<= /div>


On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" <ietf@dkutscher.net> wrote:
Hello,

We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to th= e datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/interim= -2018-dinrg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018-dinrg-01-2018021709= 00

You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced material= in the minutes.

Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in taking t= he notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful for the com= munity.

Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections.
Best regards,
Melinda and Dirk


_______________________________________________
Din mailing list
Din@irtf.org
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boundary="_000_CY4PR12MB16408BB4649F6599BCB8654EEFCF0CY4PR12MB1640namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: nttdata.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 09b63e8f-0d7b-4f68-a5af-08d578358339 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 20 Feb 2018 07:42:37.1580 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 65e4e06f-f263-4c1f-becb-90deb8c2d9ff X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CY4PR12MB1830 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:06:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [Din] Nathan Aw from Singapore -- Request to Contribute to Participate and Contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 07:42:43 -0000 --_000_CY4PR12MB16408BB4649F6599BCB8654EEFCF0CY4PR12MB1640namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; 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Thank you. Regards, Nathan Aw Cloud | Blockchain | Robotics Process Automation (RPA) | NoSQL | Agile Pra= ctitioner | Digital Transformation +65 97300584 From: Aw, Nathan Sent: Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:16 AM To: 'din@irtf.org' Cc: 'nathan.mk.aw@gmail.com' Subject: Nathan Aw from Singapore -- Request to Contribute to Participate = and Contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Dear all, This is Nathan Aw from Singapore. I wish to know how can one contribute an= d contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure. I wish to be a participant and contributor. Please let me know how. Regards, Nathan Aw https://sg.linkedin.com/in/awnathan http://www.nasdaq.com/article/guest-post-understanding-the-limits-and-pote= ntial-of-blockchain-technology-cm874892 https://www.hyperledger.org/blog/2017/12/05/developer-showcase-series-nath= an-aw-ntt-data https://bitcoinmagazine.com/authors/nathan-aw/ https://github.com/nathanawmk ______________________________________________________________________ Disclaimer: This email and any attachments are sent in strictest confidenc= e for the sole use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged, confidential, and proprietary data. If you are not the intended recipient,= please advise the sender by replying promptly to this email and then delet= e and destroy this email and any attachments without any further use, copyin= g or forwarding. --_000_CY4PR12MB16408BB4649F6599BCB8654EEFCF0CY4PR12MB1640namp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Dear all,<= /span>

 

2nd Remind= er.

 

Thank you.

 

Regards,

 

Nathan Aw

Cloud | Blockchain | Robotics Process Automation (= RPA) | NoSQL | Agile Practitioner | Digital Transformation

+65 97300584

 

From: Aw, Nathan
Sent: Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:16 AM
To: 'din@irtf.org' <din@irtf.org>
Cc: 'nathan.mk.aw@gmail.com' <nathan.mk.aw@gmail.com>
Subject: Nathan Aw from Singapore -- Request to Contribute to Parti= cipate and Contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure<= /span>

 

Dear all,

 

This is Nathan Aw from Singapore. I wish to know ho= w can one contribute and contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructu= re.

 

I wish to be a participant and contributor. Please = let me know how.

 

Regards,

 

Nathan Aw

htt= ps://sg.linkedin.com/in/awnathan

 

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/guest-post-understanding-the-limits-and-pot= ential-of-blockchain-technology-cm874892

 

https://www.hyperledger.= org/blog/2017/12/05/developer-showcase-series-nathan-aw-ntt-data<= /o:p>

 

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/authors/nathan-aw/

 

https://g= ithub.com/nathanawmk


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--_000_CY4PR12MB16408BB4649F6599BCB8654EEFCF0CY4PR12MB1640namp_-- From nobody Tue Feb 20 16:06:41 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A3B812E03D for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:04:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.918 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H4=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kFguYvGilwns for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:04:53 -0800 (PST) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [217.72.192.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6212912E03C for ; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:04:52 -0800 (PST) Received: from [172.25.3.239] ([67.52.140.5]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue103 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mc9Nn-1f5eQ33pN1-00JWaa; Tue, 20 Feb 2018 23:04:33 +0100 From: "Dirk Kutscher" To: "Walid AL-SAQAF" Cc: "Bob Summerwill" , din@irtf.org, "Brian Behlendorf" , "Marta Piekarska" , "Mats Wichmann" , "Greg Colvin" , "James Pitts" , "Virgil Griffith" , "Nick Johnson" , "Christopher Ferris" , "Melinda Shore" Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 14:04:24 -0800 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: <77483092-DEFA-4242-84D2-8F9E0378FF5B@dkutscher.net> In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_MailMate_6F349E0D-62D1-4FEA-A960-B8D85B89A22A_=" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Embedded-HTML: [{"HTML":[5335, 13661], "plain":[3659, 6214], "uuid":"4BC78D04-C6E0-408B-833C-F1D47D56978C"}] X-Provags-ID: V03:K0:6KYbJe3r5Y4ph3BgJik6NnkYYDzcdvXZbnOMCu2H7ZnjpyLsIcu 5FViUj2lXWGfrVQjbRLv4phYiElgXwb46RosKDt4L1L2uuZR+3lD7woB1O60zjhuHFn6q3r tjWXSKIZhMBE1hTZpl6Ji/Ufo6fs7oCoQ5+sw7pPRRRdTU1m+qjNlkD5giHJsDrtApOW/CO De8X+pQjCNE7nJMl7wYrA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:W0kZ6qynr/U=:kCxxECpuhZkxdCLv1vvqKb eyWyXRaZt1A2ZK9hR9VtGvZePjozjLLI7SZla52vTTwL7aJ6R73Rb+lrYj6ZXXIdbPlExMxVK bsrWiraMi0aqTGIgVD0ygJCPBnp4j7EY9OsikN+GGu5HnYHujgIFA25RsX3p5ufXX57ucfF8N nPG7IG+jL5FMU0l/AxTtXAXH0zN44sh1IGXeWftnOtoZnUt1018TrY8hkI2gr+/XVnBZtTpug T0Wa9rWnFrn/6a8IojaMYJJENZV5Thh0wmDZIUvkc9+zgOjsMBZJFrcZCrzGJcSYN34+ZZTM6 XzTyGND0/7s26CdfpWnGRjZEsAEACq/X3XWJPnRvn7csmGCJIB8WWUXvo90oahAo1eISgVXin xJkBd7kcTlta8Ck7FYIzCza8YSIy4BhZ2iZl7S4oaNm0wuEIwgidCGl13DnqRwNwo2ocZKrcl KQDYZ/Ez9z4e4XzcwLdkKBG2zXWdcn9lvE4hZbC+I5tmutHEBF0D64LIo71wC550W5ond0rXD zXh5qmBcwCApGs02TTTmHvc2O7f3W2r7hZdXpmIndbtKXWLhy1D32Q8GsJ1aUKaxvKmUDvQ94 nGSFItWivdUycwSRqKWnX5zas+TGB/xSC4fgST+I+Kv6ieaU8qmmwfNoANyc0ly+V0PLL2AO3 w8TY3cExF82lQulLO1ulrFAsV9g3OEoLeugJVnxx9lnx3THbOIzNWO6pQdg6O7F/d9Is7O4lN pMYNt1bRFTWzoIhwHEoxoBzAbCR+muGNwXl+v6g6DqRff3bmnqg/blt6o9U= Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:06:10 -0800 Subject: Re: [Din] Bringing blockchain people to the table. Was Re: Draft Minutes of DINRG interim meeting at NDSS-2018 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:04:56 -0000 --=_MailMate_6F349E0D-62D1-4FEA-A960-B8D85B89A22A_= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Bob, Virgil, Walid, Thanks for reaching out — would be great to establish a productive dialogue with more people from the Blockchain community. Maybe it’s useful to clarify a few things about the Proposed DINRG and the IRTF in general (apologies in case this is obvious): The IRTF and its different groups are really focusing on longer-term research activities — not on standards as the (parallel) IETF does. This is sometimes not obvious, as both organizations publish RFCs and share a lot of the tooling and infrastructure, including meeting facilities. The RFCs that IRTF groups produce are generally not standards at all — these are typically Informational documents or Experimental specifications — with the objective to facilitate more experimentation and validation of technologies that are not quite ready for standards track work in the IETF. Quite often, IRTF groups try to establish knowledge and create advice about what should be standardized in the future. Because the IRTF does not do standards, it is also not in a position to have liaisons to other SDOs. However, DINRG and other RGs are open and have many participants from people working in other SDOs and OSS projects. DINRG is currently a proposed Research Group in the IRTF. “Proposed” means that we are currently operating under the assumption that we can identify a useful research agenda and build a viable community. We are optimistic that this will happen — but we’ll assess that later in the year. We initiated the activity to explore research questions in the space of decentralizing infrastructure and applications, interactions such as trust management — which cover both Internet-scale use cases as well as smaller, localized deployment scenarios. Some of the ideas and approaches that have been discussed in this context so far have leverage distributed ledger technology including Blockchain. One of DINRG’s goals is to identify the requirements of relevant use cases and to assess the properties (such as consensus algorithms, scalability, transaction times) of different DLT approaches regarding those requirements. Another goal is to find out whether it’s possible create common infrastructure for sets of use cases — and to experiment with that. DINRG does not plan to develop (let alone to standarize) DLT or elements of that. Having said that, we are obviously interested to work with people from the DLT community — this could also include discussing research work in advancing DLT state-of-the art. For example, IoT is one scenario that some DINRG people are interested in, which may have interesting requirements both in terms of the applications (offloading computation, for example) and the properties of DLT that could support that (constrained nodes, networks etc.). Another activity that could be of interest would be to analyze potential issues in different DLT systems (e.g., with respect to scalability, smart contract security etc.). The current DINRG charter is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org/rg/dinrg/about/ We are going to have a meeting at IETF-101 in London. This is currently scheduled for Monday, March 19 2018 (the IETF-101 meeting agenda is currently being finalized). As most IRTF/IETF groups, we are trying to use the mailing list for technical discussions between meetings, so we’d encourage you to subscribe in case you haven’t already done so: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/din We hope this is helpful. Thanks again for reaching out to us, and we are looking forward to working with you. Best regards, Melinda and Dirk On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:55, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote: > Hi Bob, > > Thanks for adding me to this important thread and I am truly willing > and > happy to help in any way I can. > > For standardisation efforts to be successful, I think one needs to > take > multiple tracks. The technology standards track (to illustrate that > the > proposed standards meet the scalability/interoperability requirements) > and > the policy track (to meet demands by law enforcement and governmental > entities). At the Internet Society, we found out that this is the best > sustainable approach to mitigate potential problems down the line and > serve > as a bridge between the technologists/scientists and other relevant > stake > holders including policy makers, the industry and end users, who we > should > always keep in mind as the ultimate beneficiary of any new technology, > including blockchains. I believe the same also applies for IEEE, which > has > perfected its standardisation cycle over the years. See: > http://standards.ieee.org/develop/index.html > > The question is what do you all have in mind for having your own > standardisation efforts and where can I, the IEEE and others help. > > > Sincerely, > > Walid > > On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Bob Summerwill > wrote: > >> Thank you very much for these notes, Dirk! >> >> Dirk: there is competition for attention, what communities should we >> talk >> to, are there people we should try and get to these meetings? >> >> This is a problem which I am working to attack from the other end >> (blockchain community). >> >> https://bobsummerwill.com/about/ >> >> I have been working to bridge the Hyperledger and Ethereum >> communities >> since 2016 and was foundational to the creation of the Enterprise >> Ethereum >> Alliance. Those two consortia together cover pretty much the whole >> of >> enterprise. I am now actively working to try to bring these >> consortia >> closer together and ultimately hope to merge them into a single >> Enterprise >> blockchain consortium under the LF with Brian Behlendorf as the ED of >> the >> new group. Chris Ferris is the Chair of the Technical Steering >> Committee >> at Hyperledger. I have been in contact with Chris and Brian since >> May 2016 >> when I set up a FOSS Blockchain meetup outside of OSCON in Austin. >> >> http://hyperledger.org/members >> https://entethalliance.org/members/ >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/brianbehlendorf >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisfer >> >> https://bobsummerwill.com/2016/06/12/cats-and-dogs-can-be-friends/ >> >> We are obviously reaching the stage of awareness where "What do >> blockchain >> standards look like?" is being asked. Together with "If Ethereum >> claims to >> be Web 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, W3C, >> IEEE, etc" >> >> I met Walid Al-Safaq of the Internet Society in Vancouver a year ago. >> It >> was early then, but we had some green shoots starting to show. Now I >> think >> the time is absolutely ripe. >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/wsaqaf >> >> So I will be working to try to gather everyone at common tables >> (starting with DIN at IETF and Blockchain Community Group at W3C) so >> those >> dialogs can begin. >> >> https://www.w3.org/community/blockchain/ >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/martapiekarska >> >> Marta is Director of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key person at >> the >> Blockchain CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so has >> insight >> into Bitcoin. I am essentially an Ethereum person with interests in >> other >> smart contract projects but missed out on most of the early Bitcoin >> work. >> >> I have also been searching for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to >> help >> us plot a standards path for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to >> related smart contract platforms). For most of us, standards bodies >> are >> just an additional commitment which we are interested in, but do not >> have >> to do as a full-time role. That dynamic could be different for Mats. >> Just >> need to find a good spot and funding and hope he is still available >> :-). >> He has been working in standards bodies for decades. >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwichmann >> >> Another very recent development is the following, which can be seen >> as the >> Ethereum technical community taking control of the protocol, which is >> larger than any legal entity. Very much IETF inspired: >> >> https://medium.com/@gregcolvin/an-open-invitation-to- >> participate-in-a-fellowship-of-ethereum-magicians-44ee1af97af5 >> >> https://medium.com/@jpitts/an-open-invitation-to-participate >> -in-a-fellowship-of-ethereum-magicians-982e6143db4f >> >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregcolvin >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/jamiepitts >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/virgilgr >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicksdjohnson >> >> This Ethereum Community Conference in Paris on Mar 8-10 is a pretty >> crucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired model, which should >> give >> us a good hope of strong collaboration moving forward. >> >> https://ethcc.io >> >> What does it look like the next DIN event would be? An appropriate >> place >> for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyperledger people to >> attend F2F >> meetings with IETF? And with W3C, Marta? >> >> Walid had asked me whether WSIS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 >> might >> be useful? >> >> https://www.itu.int/net4/wsis/forum/2018/ >> >> >> Best wishes, >> Bob Summerwill >> https://bobsummerwill.com/contact/ >> >> >> On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday >> to >> the datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/m >> eeting/interim-2018-dinrg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018- >> dinrg-01-201802170900 >> >> You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced >> material in the minutes. >> >> Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in >> taking >> the notes for the whole meeting — this is really helpful for the >> community. >> >> Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or >> corrections. >> >> Best regards, >> Melinda and Dirk >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Din mailing list >> Din@irtf.org >> https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/din >> >> >> --=_MailMate_6F349E0D-62D1-4FEA-A960-B8D85B89A22A_= Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Bob, Virgil, Walid,

Thanks for reaching out =E2=80=94 would be great to estab= lish a productive dialogue with more people from the Blockchain community= =2E

Maybe it=E2=80=99s useful to clarify a few things about t= he Proposed DINRG and the IRTF in general (apologies in case this is obvi= ous):

The IRTF and its different groups are really focusing on = longer-term research activities =E2=80=94 not on standards as the (parall= el) IETF does. This is sometimes not obvious, as both organizations publi= sh RFCs and share a lot of the tooling and infrastructure, including meet= ing facilities.

The RFCs that IRTF groups produce are generally not stand= ards at all =E2=80=94 these are typically Informational documents or Expe= rimental specifications =E2=80=94 with the objective to facilitate more e= xperimentation and validation of technologies that are not quite ready fo= r standards track work in the IETF. Quite often, IRTF groups try to estab= lish knowledge and create advice about what should be standardized in the= future.

Because the IRTF does not do standards, it is also not in= a position to have liaisons to other SDOs. However, DINRG and other RGs = are open and have many participants from people working in other SDOs and= OSS projects.

DINRG is currently a proposed Research Group in the IRTF.= =E2=80=9CProposed=E2=80=9D means that we are currently operating under t= he assumption that we can identify a useful research agenda and build a v= iable community. We are optimistic that this will happen =E2=80=94 but we= =E2=80=99ll assess that later in the year.

We initiated the activity to explore research questions i= n the space of decentralizing infrastructure and applications, interactio= ns such as trust management =E2=80=94 which cover both Internet-scale use= cases as well as smaller, localized deployment scenarios.

Some of the ideas and approaches that have been discussed= in this context so far have leverage distributed ledger technology inclu= ding Blockchain. One of DINRG=E2=80=99s goals is to identify the requirem= ents of relevant use cases and to assess the properties (such as consensu= s algorithms, scalability, transaction times) of different DLT approaches= regarding those requirements. Another goal is to find out whether it=E2=80= =99s possible create common infrastructure for sets of use cases =E2=80=94= and to experiment with that.

DINRG does not plan to develop (let alone to standarize) = DLT or elements of that.

Having said that, we are obviously interested to work wit= h people from the DLT community =E2=80=94 this could also include discuss= ing research work in advancing DLT state-of-the art. For example, IoT is = one scenario that some DINRG people are interested in, which may have int= eresting requirements both in terms of the applications (offloading compu= tation, for example) and the properties of DLT that could support that (c= onstrained nodes, networks etc.). Another activity that could be of inter= est would be to analyze potential issues in different DLT systems (e.g., = with respect to scalability, smart contract security etc.).

The current DINRG charter is available here: https://datatracker.ietf.org= /rg/dinrg/about/

We are going to have a meeting at IETF-101 in London. Thi= s is currently scheduled for Monday, March 19 2018 (the IETF-101 meeting = agenda is currently being finalized). As most IRTF/IETF groups, we are tr= ying to use the mailing list for technical discussions between meetings, = so we=E2=80=99d encourage you to subscribe in case you haven=E2=80=99t al= ready done so: http= s://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/din

We hope this is helpful. Thanks again for reaching out to= us, and we are looking forward to working with you.

Best regards,
Melinda and Dirk


On 19 Feb 2018, at 21:55, Walid AL-SAQAF wrote:

Hi Bob,
=
Thanks for addi= ng me to this important thread and I am truly willing and happy to help i= n any way I can.
For standardisatio= n efforts to be successful, I think one needs to take multiple tracks. Th= e technology standards track (to illustrate that the proposed standards m= eet the scalability/interoperability requirements) and the policy track (= to meet demands by law enforcement and governmental entities). At the Int= ernet Society, we found out that this is the best sustainable approach to= mitigate potential problems down the line and serve as a bridge between = the technologists/scientists and other relevant stake holders including p= olicy makers, the industry and end users, who we should always keep in mi= nd as the ultimate beneficiary of any new technology, including blockchai= ns. I believe the same also applies for IEEE, which has perfected its sta= ndardisation cycle over the years. See:=C2=A0http://standards.ieee.org/develop/index.html=

The question is what do you al= l have in mind for having your own standardisation efforts and where can = I, the IEEE and others help.

Sincerely,

Walid

On Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 9:33 PM, Bob Summe= rwill <bob@summerwill.net> wrote:
Thank you very much for these notes, Dirk!=

Dirk: there is competition = for attention, what communities should we talk to, are there people we sh= ould try and get to these meetings?
This is a probl= em which I am working to attack from the other end (blockchain community)= =2E


I have been workin= g to bridge the Hyperledger and Ethereum communities since 2016 and was f= oundational to the creation of the Enterprise Ethereum Alliance.=C2=A0 Th= ose two consortia together cover pretty much the whole of enterprise.=C2=A0= =C2=A0I am now actively working to try to bring these consortia closer t= ogether and ultimately hope to merge them into a single Enterprise blockc= hain consortium under the LF with Brian Behlendorf as the ED of the new g= roup.=C2=A0 Chris Ferris is the Chair of the Technical Steering Committee= at Hyperledger.=C2=A0 I have been in contact with Chris and Brian since = May 2016 when I set up a FOSS Blockchain meetup outside of OSCON in Austi= n.



<= br>
We are obviou= sly reaching the stage of awareness where "What do blockchain standa= rds look like?" is being asked.=C2=A0 Together with "If Ethereu= m claims to be Web 3.0, well you guys need to be talking to ICANN, IETF, = W3C, IEEE, etc"

I met Wa= lid Al-Safaq of the Internet Society in Vancouver a year ago.=C2=A0 It wa= s early then, but we had some green shoots starting to show.=C2=A0 Now I = think the time is absolutely ripe.


So I will be working to try to gather everyone at common= tables (starting=C2=A0with DIN at IETF and Blockchain Community Group at= W3C) so those dialogs can begin.


Marta is D= irector of Ecosystem at Hyperledger, and is a key person at the Blockchai= n CG at W3C and was also formerly at Blockstream so has insight into Bitc= oin.=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am essentially an Ethereum person with interests in ot= her smart contract projects but missed out on most of the early Bitcoin w= ork.

<= /div>
I have also been searchi= ng for a way to get Mats Wichmann involved to help us plot a standards pa= th for Ethereum (which would extend rapidly to related smart contract pla= tforms).=C2=A0 For most of us, standards bodies are just an additional co= mmitment which we are interested in, but do not have to do as a full-time= role.=C2=A0 That dynamic could be different for Mats.=C2=A0 Just need to= find a good spot and funding and hope he is still available :-).=C2=A0 H= e has been working in standards bodies for decades.


Another very recent development is the following, which can b= e seen as the Ethereum technical community taking control of the protocol= , which is larger than any legal entity.=C2=A0 Very much IETF inspired:




This Ethereum Community Conference in Paris on Mar 8-10 is a pretty cr= ucial one for flipping to a very IETF-inspired model, which should give u= s a good hope of strong collaboration moving forward.


What does it look like the next DIN event would be?=C2=A0 An appropr= iate place for us to aim to gather some Ethereum and Hyperledger people t= o attend F2F meetings with IETF?=C2=A0 =C2=A0And with W3C, Marta?

Walid had asked me whether WS= IS, held at ITU in Geneva on Mar 19-23 might be useful?



Best wishes,
Bob Summerwill


On Feb 19, 2018 11:44 AM, "Dirk Kutscher" &= lt;ietf@dkutscher= =2Enet> wrote:
Hello,

We have uploaded the draft minutes of our interim meeting on Saturday to = the datatracker: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/= interim-2018-dinrg-01/materials/minutes-interim-2018-dinrg-01-2= 01802170900

You will also find links to the presentations and other referenced materi= al in the minutes.

Our sincere thanks are due to Mat Ford who did an excellent job in taking= the notes for the whole meeting =E2=80=94 this is really helpful for the= community.

Please let us know in case you want to suggest additions or corrections.<= br>
Best regards,
Melinda and Dirk


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The first thing would be to subscribe to the = mailing list. There is no formal membership or something =E2=80=94 this is an open grou= p = that uses this mailing list for discussion and meets occasionally. Our = next meeting is schedules for March 19, at IETF-101 in London. Best regards, Dirk On 19 Feb 2018, at 23:42, Aw, Nathan wrote: > Dear all, > > 2nd Reminder. > > Thank you. > > Regards, > > Nathan Aw > Cloud | Blockchain | Robotics Process Automation (RPA) | NoSQL | Agile = > Practitioner | Digital Transformation > +65 97300584 > > From: Aw, Nathan > Sent: Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:16 AM > To: 'din@irtf.org' > Cc: 'nathan.mk.aw@gmail.com' > Subject: Nathan Aw from Singapore -- Request to Contribute to = > Participate and Contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure > > Dear all, > > This is Nathan Aw from Singapore. I wish to know how can one = > contribute and contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure. > > I wish to be a participant and contributor. Please let me know how. > > Regards, > > Nathan Aw > https://sg.linkedin.com/in/awnathan > > http://www.nasdaq.com/article/guest-post-understanding-the-limits-and-p= otential-of-blockchain-technology-cm874892 > > https://www.hyperledger.org/blog/2017/12/05/developer-showcase-series-n= athan-aw-ntt-data > > https://bitcoinmagazine.com/authors/nathan-aw/ > > https://github.com/nathanawmk > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Disclaimer: This email and any attachments are sent in strictest = > confidence > for the sole use of the addressee and may contain legally privileged, > confidential, and proprietary data. 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Hi Nathan,

Thanks for your interest. The first thing would be to sub= scribe to the mailing list.

There is no formal membership or something =E2=80=94 this= is an open group that uses this mailing list for discussion and meets oc= casionally. Our next meeting is schedules for March 19, at IETF-101 in Lo= ndon.

Best regards,
Dirk



On 19 Feb 2018, at 23:42, Aw, Nathan wrote:

Dear all,=

 

2nd Remin= der.

 

Thank you.

 

Regards,

 

Nathan Aw

Cloud | Blockchain | Robotics Process Automation= (RPA) | NoSQL | Agile Practitioner | Digital Transformation

+65 97300584

 

From: Aw, Nathan
Sent: Wednesday, 14 February 2018 10:16 AM
To: 'din@irtf.org' <din@irtf.org>
Cc: 'nathan.mk.aw@gmail.com' <nathan.mk.aw@gmail.com>
Subject: Nathan Aw from Singapore -- Request to Contribute to Part= icipate and Contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastructure

 

Dear all,

 

This is Nathan Aw from Singapore. I wish to know h= ow can one contribute and contribute to Decentralized Internet Infrastruc= ture.

 

I wish to be a participant and contributor. Please= let me know how.

 

Regards,

 

Nathan Aw

ht= tps://sg.linkedin.com/in/awnathan

 

http://www.nasdaq.com/article/guest-post-understanding-the-limits-and-= potential-of-blockchain-technology-cm874892

 

https://www.hyperledge= r.org/blog/2017/12/05/developer-showcase-series-nathan-aw-ntt-data

 

https://bitcoinmagazine.com/authors/nathan-aw/

 

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--=_MailMate_2768434D-6413-41E7-99A7-A3D9AD844695_=-- From nobody Sat Feb 24 01:10:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DA21242F7 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:10:46 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.199 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WWRjdr_KY3UZ for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:10:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [IPv6:2001:638:708:30c9::12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 436AC120725 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:10:44 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informatik.uni-bremen.de Received: from submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de [134.102.201.11]) by mailhost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id w1O9Ae29015525 for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 10:10:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from client-0185.vpn.uni-bremen.de (client-0185.vpn.uni-bremen.de [134.102.107.185]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by submithost.informatik.uni-bremen.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3zpMkm4vLhzDXgH for ; Sat, 24 Feb 2018 10:10:40 +0100 (CET) From: Carsten Bormann Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 X-Mao-Original-Outgoing-Id: 541156236.990127-599069c6a43921064591cbf35280bd5f Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.2 \(3445.5.20\)) Message-Id: <7D8B01D3-EC93-4F64-98F5-41DCA70F3E36@tzi.org> Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 10:10:39 +0100 To: din@irtf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.5.20) Archived-At: Subject: [Din] [Suit] Constrained Node/Network Cluster @ IETF101: "FINAL" AGENDA X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:10:46 -0000 Here is my usual eclectic condensed agenda based on the "FINAL" AGENDA for IETF101. Remember that "FINAL" means this will be the basis for printed agenda sheets, there is still some potential for changes after that. SUIT is now on top of CORE (!??). (Also, ICE has moved.) The painful ones this time include: DINRG vs. ACE, CBOR vs. TEEP, ROLL vs. traveling to OCF/WoT; also CORE vs. ANIMA, CORE vs. QUIC, CORE vs. SECDISPATCH. All times are actually in GMT (UTC+0000, DST only starts in London on March 25). (You can always get pure UTC times on https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/agenda-utc, for those who want to listen from remote.) Gr=C3=BC=C3=9Fe, Carsten SATURDAY/SUNDAY -- Hackathon (including various interops) MONDAY, March 19, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Blenheim ART dispatch Dispatch WG - 0930-1100 Joint = with ARTAREA Sandringham INT ipwave IP Wireless Access in Vehicular = Environments WG Palace C IRTF*** dinrg Decentralized Internet Infrastructure = Proposed RG Viscount OPS v6ops IPv6 Operations WG Balmoral SEC *** ace Authentication and Authorization for = Constrained Environments WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Richm_Chl_Tow ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Viscount INT 6man IPv6 Maintenance WG Buckingham SEC *** suit Software Updates for Internet of Things = WG Sandringham TSV quic QUIC WG 1550-1720 Afternoon Session II Sandringham INT intarea Internet Area Working Group WG Balmoral IRTF cfrg Crypto Forum Viscount SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG 1740-1840 Afternoon Session III Balmoral SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Sandringham TSV tsvarea Transport Area Open Meeting TUESDAY, March 20, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Viscount ART *** core Constrained RESTful Environments WG Sandringham IRTF maprg Measurement and Analysis for Protocols Buckingham OPS anima Autonomic Networking Integrated Model = and Approach WG Blenheim SEC secdispatch Security Dispatch WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Park Suite ART *** cbor Concise Binary Object Representation = Maintenance and Extensions WG Palace C ART ice Interactive Connectivity Establishment = WG Buckingham IRTF panrg Path Aware Networking Proposed RG Richm_Chl_Tow RTG rift Routing In Fat Trees WG Balmoral SEC *** teep Trusted Execution Environment = Provisioning BOF 1550-1820 Afternoon Session II Balmoral ART httpbis Hypertext Transfer Protocol WG Park Suite IRTF icnrg Information-Centric Networking WEDNESDAY, March 21, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Viscount INT *** lpwan IPv6 over Low Power Wide-Area Networks = WG Sandringham IRTF irtfopen IRTF Open Meeting Blenheim SEC tls Transport Layer Security WG Park Suite TSV taps Transport Services WG 1330-1500 Afternoon Session I Viscount INT *** 6tisch IPv6 over the TSCH mode of IEEE = 802.15.4e WG Richm_Chl_Tow RTG bier Bit Indexed Explicit Replication WG Park Suite SEC oauth Web Authorization Protocol WG Palace C TSV rmcat RTP Media Congestion Avoidance = Techniques WG 1520-1650 Afternoon Session II Park Suite INT *** lwig Light-Weight Implementation Guidance WG Buckingham SEC acme Automated Certificate Management = Environment WG Viscount SEC tokbind Token Binding WG 1710-1940 IETF Plenary - Sandringham THURSDAY, March 22, 2018 0930-1200 Morning Session I Buckingham INT dnssd Extensions for Scalable DNS Service = Discovery WG Park Suite RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG Sandringham TSV quic QUIC WG 1330-1530 Afternoon Session I Buckingham INT *** 6lo IPv6 over Networks of = Resource-constrained Nodes WG Sandringham SEC saag Security Area Open Meeting 1550-1750 Afternoon Session II Blenheim IRTF*** t2trg Thing-to-Thing Sandringham RTG rtgarea Routing Area Open Meeting Buckingham SEC mls Messaging Layer Security BOF Balmoral TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG 1810-1910 Afternoon Session III Blenheim ART uta Using TLS in Applications WG Park Suite RTG babel Babel routing protocol WG Balmoral TSV tsvwg Transport Area Working Group WG FRIDAY, March 23, 2018 0930-1130 Morning Session I Sandringham INT homenet Home Networking WG Blenheim RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG Viscount RTG *** roll Routing Over Low power and Lossy = networks WG 1150-1320 Afternoon Session I Blenheim RTG detnet Deterministic Networking WG - 1150 - = 1430 1330-1730 @ OCF meeting venue (Prague, colocated with W3C WoT) -- Joint meeting of OCF, W3C WoT, and T2TRG (UTC+01:00 times) _______________________________________________ T2TRG mailing list T2TRG@irtf.org https://www.irtf.org/mailman/listinfo/t2trg _______________________________________________ Suit mailing list Suit@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/suit From nobody Tue Feb 27 15:14:47 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: din@irtf.org Delivered-To: din@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8192B12EAC3; Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:11:13 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: din@irtf.org, irtf-chair@irtf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.73.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <151977307352.5200.10922432223518210480.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 15:11:13 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Din] dinrg - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 101 X-BeenThere: din@irtf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: "Discussion of distributed Internet Infrastructure approaches, aspects such as Service Federation, and underlying technologies" List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 23:11:13 -0000 Dear Melinda Shore, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. dinrg Session 1 (2:00:00) Monday, Morning Session I 0930-1200 Room Name: Palace C size: 50 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Decentralized Internet Infrastructure Proposed RG Area Name: IRTF Session Requester: Melinda Shore Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 30 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: trans t2trg anima icnrg Second Priority: tls detnet quic People who must be present: Melinda Shore Dirk Kutscher Allison Mankin Resources Requested: Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------