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Passwords for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- discuss@apps.ietf.org axuhzo https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/discuss/discuss-web-archive%40ietf.org From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 17:47:33 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA20042 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:47:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8Rjj-0006a4-BU for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:35 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43NmkP007608 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:48 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrnI-0001yd-Oc for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:48 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11443 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrnF-00048j-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:45 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrnE-00048e-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:45 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGrn9-00086N-KE for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:46 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrms-0001jY-OD; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEI4z-0006sy-Hf for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:51:25 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA01386 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:51:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEI4x-00032q-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:51:23 -0500 Received: from willow.gnomon.org.uk ([69.10.132.76]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEI4w-00032V-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:51:22 -0500 Received: from moriarty.gnomon.org.uk (cpc4-cmbg2-5-0-cust162.cmbg.cable.ntl.com [81.100.86.162]) by willow.gnomon.org.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9S0pBRX014092 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA bits=168 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:51:14 GMT Received: from moriarty.gnomon.org.uk (roy@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by moriarty.gnomon.org.uk (8.12.3/8.12.3/Debian-6.6) with ESMTP id h9S0pAZe008697 for ; Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:51:10 GMT Received: by moriarty.gnomon.org.uk (tmda-sendmail, from uid 559); Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:50:59 +0000 (GMT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <16285.48493.496028.516294@moriarty.gnomon.org.uk> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 00:50:53 +0000 To: Dave Crocker Cc: ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, , , , Subject: Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) In-Reply-To: <355752681.20031027161925@brandenburg.com> References: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> <12228881609.20031027074111@brandenburg.com> <20031027105222.4eae54fd.moore@cs.utk.edu> <355752681.20031027161925@brandenburg.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.03 under Emacs 20.7.2 From: Roy Badami X-Delivery-Agent: TMDA/0.81 (Swaps) X-Primary-Address: roy@gnomon.org.uk Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Mail Internationalised Local-Part (MILP) Even though, given IDNA now exists as a proposed standard, the main issues relate to the local part, the issue under discussion is that of internationalized mail addresses, not just internationalized local-parts. Restricting the disucssion to local-parts runs the risk of excluding other potentially relevent issues. For instance, one of the issues that has been discussed on the IMAA list is whether full-width at should be recognized in an internationalized mail address. IMHO, the charter shouldn't be framed in a way that is sufficiently narrow as to render such questions out of scope. -roy From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 17:51:02 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA20640 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:51:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8Rjk-0006YH-S7 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:36 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43Pb7M008908 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:37 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrp3-0002Jb-DO for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11545 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrp0-0004Bi-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:34 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGroz-0004Bc-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:33 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGrp0-00087F-Rc for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:35 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrok-0002CI-SA; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEzb1-0008Kp-CG for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:19:23 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA14283 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:19:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEzay-0006nc-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:19:20 -0500 Received: from mail3.microsoft.com ([131.107.3.123]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEzax-0006mU-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:19:19 -0500 Received: from INET-VRS-03.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.5.27]) by mail3.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:18:49 -0800 Received: from 157.54.8.109 by INET-VRS-03.redmond.corp.microsoft.com (InterScan E-Mail VirusWall NT); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:18:49 -0800 Received: from red-imc-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com ([157.54.9.102]) by inet-hub-02.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.0); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:18:49 -0800 Received: from win-imc-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([157.54.0.84]) by red-imc-01.redmond.corp.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:19:48 -0800 Received: from WIN-MSG-10.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com ([157.54.12.81]) by win-imc-02.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1069); Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:18:47 -0800 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7097.0 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: [idn] FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:18:45 -0800 Message-ID: <84DD35E3DD87D5489AC42A59926DABE9046E700D@WIN-MSG-10.wingroup.windeploy.ntdev.microsoft.com> Thread-Topic: [idn] FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) thread-index: AcOc5UacENkLjcQgTxGePqP067EdhwBjOJ7A From: "Michel Suignard" To: "James Seng" , =?iso-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= Cc: , , , , , , , , , "Pete Resnick" , "Ted Hardie" , "Ned Freed" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Oct 2003 23:18:47.0668 (UTC) FILETIME=[014BD340:01C39E73] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable JS>I seen John and Paul proposal but I have not seen Michel. Is there a = draft that I can read JS>up?=20 I don't have a proposal. I am listed there as a co-editor of the IRI = spec which has a peripheral impact on the IEA (such as extending the URI = mailto scheme). Like many I am listening with interest to the points = made for or against the two proposals. Michel Suignard From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 17:53:07 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA21096 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:53:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8Rjf-0006Zv-Ni for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:32 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43PaqD008878 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrp1-0002Is-Pn for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11534 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGroy-0004BM-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:32 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrox-0004BF-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:31 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGrox-00087G-B5 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrol-0002EQ-EH; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEzwr-0002AN-Us for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:41:58 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15109 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:41:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEzwo-0007La-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:41:54 -0500 Received: from sentosa.post1.com ([202.27.17.100]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEzwn-0007Kp-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:41:54 -0500 Received: (qmail 42705 invoked from network); 29 Oct 2003 23:59:48 -0000 Received: from p5200-ipad75marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp (HELO pobox.org.sg) (220.107.220.200) by sentosa.post1.com with SMTP; 29 Oct 2003 23:59:48 -0000 Message-ID: <3FA04CA4.6050409@pobox.org.sg> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:26:28 +0800 From: James Seng User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh-cn, zh-tw, ja, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Crispin CC: Mark Davis , Keith Moore , dcrocker@brandenburg.com, paf@cisco.com, ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, lemonade@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, IMAP Extensions WG , ietf-smtp@imc.org, presnick@qualcomm.com, hardie@qualcomm.com, ned.freed@mrochek.com Subject: Re: [idn] Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) References: <00fd01c39ce8$b6f19fe0$79d52b09@DAVIS1> <014c01c39cf4$5675cd60$79d52b09@DAVIS1> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Crispin, You need to get out of US (or Wsshington) more often. -James Seng > I am not convinced that it is possible to use a computer on the Internet > anywhere in the world without at least a basic acquaintance with Latin > script. > > I do not believe many individuals (other than primary school children) are > literate in their native language but are completely illiterate in Latin > script. This does not mean "being able to read or write the English > language"; rather, this simply means knowing the Latin script alphabet. > > Put another way, individuals who are completely illiterate in Latin script > are also likely to be illiterate in their native language script as well. > > No other script on the planet has such international recognition. > > There is undoubtably a *preference* for one's native script; and that > preference should be respected as much as possible. > > -- Mark -- > > http://staff.washington.edu/mrc > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > Si vis pacem, para bellum. > > > > > From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 17:53:08 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA21127 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:53:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8Rjd-0006a4-RX for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:31 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43PbQi008923 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:37 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrp3-0002Jq-Ow for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:37 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11548 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrp0-0004Bp-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:34 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGroz-0004Bj-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:34 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGrox-00087H-I5 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:36 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrom-0002Gi-2K; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:20 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEzxA-0002BF-BK for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:42:16 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA15128 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:42:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEzx7-0007MJ-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:42:13 -0500 Received: from sentosa.post1.com ([202.27.17.100]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEzx6-0007LK-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 18:42:12 -0500 Received: (qmail 42733 invoked from network); 30 Oct 2003 00:00:08 -0000 Received: from p5200-ipad75marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp (HELO pobox.org.sg) (220.107.220.200) by sentosa.post1.com with SMTP; 30 Oct 2003 00:00:08 -0000 Message-ID: <3FA04E1E.9070906@pobox.org.sg> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 07:32:46 +0800 From: James Seng User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh-cn, zh-tw, ja, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Crispin CC: Abhijit Menon-Sen , ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, lemonade@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, ietf-imapext@imc.org, ietf-smtp@imc.org Subject: Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) References: <00fd01c39ce8$b6f19fe0$79d52b09@DAVIS1> <014c01c39cf4$5675cd60$79d52b09@DAVIS1> <20031028095243.A1525@lustre.dyn.wiw.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I do not believe that this is true for Chinese. AFAIK, Chinese primary > school kids use Latin script with hanyu-pinyin as a stopgap prior to their > mastery of Han script (which takes many years). Nope. Hanyu Pinyin was designed to replace the Han ideograph but it never did. > Note that when I say "recognize Latin script", I mean the ability to > determine that "dog" is a three-letter word that has the letters "d", "o", > and "g", each of which the individual recognizes and can name. This does > not include the ability to recognize that this refers to a domesticated > canine. Based on your reasonings, I think we should all reverted back to numbers, because that is the only universal recongizable set of symbols we have. We have this argument in IDN before and we certainly dont need this again. If you feel we should all stick to Latin, yes, you are entitled to your opinion but please do so in other place, and not here. The group is suppose to work on Internationalization of Email address (identifiers), not debate whether we need it or not. -James Seng From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:04:37 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA24120 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:04:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjZ-0006Xa-1u for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:25 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43PZbg008848 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:35 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrp1-0002Id-Bd for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:35 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11531 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGroy-0004BJ-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:32 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrox-0004BD-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:31 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGrov-00087E-WB for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:31 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrok-00027K-16; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:18 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEtRj-0006YT-VJ for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:45:24 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id LAA18295 for ; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:45:12 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEtRi-0004gc-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:45:22 -0500 Received: from relay-6m.club-internet.fr ([194.158.104.45]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEtRh-0004gT-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 11:45:22 -0500 Received: from jfc2.club-internet.fr (f02v-21-20.d0.club-internet.fr [212.195.240.20]) by relay-6m.club-internet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id A66FC2567A; Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:45:14 +0100 (CET) Message-Id: <6.0.0.22.2.20031029163607.04355ba0@mail.club-internet.fr> X-Sender: jefsey@mail.club-internet.fr X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.0.0.22 Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:50:39 +0100 To: Zefram From: "J-F C. (Jefsey) Morfin" Subject: Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) Cc: Dave Crocker , ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, lemonade@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, ietf-imapext@imc.org, ietf-smtp@imc.org In-Reply-To: <20031028093114.GC20198@fysh.org> References: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> <12228881609.20031027074111@brandenburg.com> <20031027105222.4eae54fd.moore@cs.utk.edu> <355752681.20031027161925@brandenburg.com> <20031028093114.GC20198@fysh.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6A73736C; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On 10:31 28/10/03, Zefram said: >I think the first task in this area should be to investigate the nature >and degree of desire for non-ASCII local parts. This desire needs to be >weighed against the benefits we derive from writing all local parts in a >small, fixed alphabet (ASCII printables). May I ask which part of the world you come from? This being said only Americans want/are satisfied with "internationalized" (sic) names (the artificial extension of the American character set with most of the American foreign scripting, within an ascii frame). No one really wants multilingual names (a totally internationalized (sic) frame supporting languages and therefore some language oriented rules - at least ni management and user support). The users need vernacular support, that is to be able to freely do in the mail what they use to do elsewhere. I note that for non-American writers "international names" means names that everyone from every nation will understand. It happens to be the ascii character set limited to the DNS used names (they were selected for that reason). jfc From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:05:46 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA24431 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:05:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjY-0006Xa-8b for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:24 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43Nnv0007623 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:49 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrnJ-0001ys-6o for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:49 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11446 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrnF-00048p-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:46 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrnF-00048k-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:45 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGrn9-00086O-5c for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:42 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmt-0001jm-Qo; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:23 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEILg-0008NK-BW for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:08:40 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA02175 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:08:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEILe-0003Mj-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:08:38 -0500 Received: from panoramix.hexago.com ([209.71.226.3]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEILd-0003Mg-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:08:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (retro.viagenie.qc.ca [IPv6:3ffe:b00:c18:3::22]) (authenticated bits=0) by panoramix.hexago.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id h9S18c6r006354; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:08:39 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 20:08:25 -0500 From: Marc Blanchet To: Dave Crocker , ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, lemonade@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, ietf-imapext@imc.org, ietf-smtp@imc.org Subject: Re: [idn] Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) Message-ID: <839550000.1067303305@classic.viagenie.qc.ca> In-Reply-To: <355752681.20031027161925@brandenburg.com> References: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> <12228881609.20031027074111@brandenburg.com> <20031027105222.4eae54fd.moore@cs.utk.edu> <355752681.20031027161925@brandenburg.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/3.1.0b8 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - good start! - timeline seems pretty agressive... will see. - would probably good to have a requirement document upfront. Might not the same way that idn requirement ends up, but a narrow-implementable requirement would help to have a concensus (hopefully) on what needs to be done. - while the idn req went not that good, now that we have experience, I think we should try to be better and have one. I know I might start some debate with this, but still think it is the best way to go... - would be useful to have some reference to idn (idna) in the charter, as background work. the developers and users will have to take care of "both" (ie. idn and imail) in the email infrastructure. Marc. -- Monday, October 27, 2003 16:19:25 -0800 Dave Crocker wrote/a ecrit: > Folks, > > On the theory that discussions go better when they have a concrete > deliverable, here is a proposed charter for a proposed working group. > > The following started with Mark Crispin's text, although it might not > look it. Besides the usual goals for a charter, the following text > attempts to specify the problem domain in the narrowest feasible form > that is valid. If anyone thinks the scope is too narrow, they need to > explain why. > > > > DRAFT CHARTER > > Mail Internationalised Local-Part (MILP) > --------------------------------- > > The portion of RFC2822 and portion of RFC2821 > mail addresses are restricted to a subset of ASCII. This poses a > fundamental barrier for users needing mail addresses to be expressed in a > richer set of characters, such as Latin characters with diacriticals and > the many Asian characters. The goal of the current work is to add > local-part support for these additional characters, while preserving the > large, installed base of ASCII usage. > > The group will take: > > draft-hoffman-imaa-03.txt > draft-klensin-emailaddr-i18n-01.txt > draft-duerst-iri-04.txt > > as input to discussions. > > The group will pay particular attention to barriers to adoption and > utility, as well as any impact the new scheme might have on the existing > base of Internet mail usage. > > > Milestones > ---------- > > Nov, 03: BOF > > Dec, 03: WG chartered > > Feb, 03: Initial draft of working group specifications. > > Jun, 03: Specifications submitted for IETF approval > > > d/ > -- > Dave Crocker > Brandenburg InternetWorking > Sunnyvale, CA USA > ------------------------------------------ Marc Blanchet Hexago tel: +1-418-266-5533x225 ------------------------------------------ http://www.freenet6.net: IPv6 connectivity ------------------------------------------ From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:09:22 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25388 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:09:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjW-0006WI-OZ for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:22 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43NRH2006975 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:27 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmx-0001nh-BO for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:27 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11402 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmt-00047J-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:23 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmt-00047G-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmn-0001h3-EA; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AECle-00051v-Q1 for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:11:06 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA01148 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:10:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEClc-0002Jz-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:11:04 -0500 Received: from mxout3.cac.washington.edu ([140.142.32.166]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEClb-0002Js-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:11:03 -0500 Received: from shiva1.cac.washington.edu (shiva1.cac.washington.edu [140.142.100.201]) by mxout3.cac.washington.edu (8.12.10+UW03.09/8.12.10+UW03.09) with ESMTP id h9RJAtC2014056; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:10:56 -0800 Received: from localhost (mrc@localhost) by shiva1.cac.washington.edu (8.12.10+UW03.09/8.12.10+UW03.09) with ESMTP id h9RJAtOx022764; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:10:55 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 11:10:55 -0800 (PST) From: Mark Crispin To: Keith Moore cc: dcrocker@brandenburg.com, paf@cisco.com, ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, lemonade@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, ietf-imapext@imc.org, ietf-smtp@imc.org, presnick@qualcomm.com, hardie@qualcomm.com, ned.freed@mrochek.com Subject: Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) In-Reply-To: <20031027134403.5eaaee9e.moore@cs.utk.edu> Message-ID: References: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> <12228881609.20031027074111@brandenburg.com> <20031027105222.4eae54fd.moore@cs.utk.edu> <20031027134403.5eaaee9e.moore@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Keith Moore wrote: > Thanks for taking a stab at a problem statement. I'd like to drill down > on this just a bit. > What is the source of the "growing need"? Is it: > [snip] I agree that this needs to be stated, but someone other than me will have to do it. I believe that the primary push for this functionality comes from regions which use Latin alphabetics with diacriticals; and that most individuals in regions which do not use Latin script are accept the use of Latin script for multinational interchange. In many regions where Latin diacriticals are used, there is no acceptable transform of a surname to a form that does not use diacriticals. Simply omitting the diacritical causes (at least to the inhabitants of those regions) a misspelling. This set of beliefs naturally biases how I approach the problem. The problem statement must be free of bias, including mine. -- Mark -- http://staff.washington.edu/mrc Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. Si vis pacem, para bellum. From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:10:52 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25782 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:10:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjW-0006a4-BN for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:22 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43PaRx008864 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:36 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrp1-0002It-Vh for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:36 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11537 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:25:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGroy-0004BR-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:32 -0500 Received: from manatick.foretec.com ([4.17.168.5] helo=manatick) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGroy-0004BG-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:32 -0500 Received: from [132.151.6.22] (helo=optimus.ietf.org) by manatick with esmtp (Exim 4.24) id 1AGrou-00087B-CG for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGroj-00025i-3H; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:25:17 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEHbg-0004uy-Pb for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:21:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00367 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:20:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEHbf-0002f9-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:21:07 -0500 Received: from joy.songbird.com ([208.184.79.7]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEHbe-0002ez-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:21:06 -0500 Received: from bbprime (jay.songbird.com [208.184.79.253]) by joy.songbird.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h9S0Qaf09143; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:26:36 -0800 Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:19:25 -0800 From: Dave Crocker X-Mailer: The Bat! (v2.00.22) Reply-To: Dave Crocker Organization: Brandenburg InternetWorking X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <355752681.20031027161925@brandenburg.com> To: ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, , , , Subject: Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) In-Reply-To: References: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> <12228881609.20031027074111@brandenburg.com> <20031027105222.4eae54fd.moore@cs.utk.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Folks, On the theory that discussions go better when they have a concrete deliverable, here is a proposed charter for a proposed working group. The following started with Mark Crispin's text, although it might not look it. Besides the usual goals for a charter, the following text attempts to specify the problem domain in the narrowest feasible form that is valid. If anyone thinks the scope is too narrow, they need to explain why. DRAFT CHARTER Mail Internationalised Local-Part (MILP) --------------------------------- The portion of RFC2822 and portion of RFC2821 mail addresses are restricted to a subset of ASCII. This poses a fundamental barrier for users needing mail addresses to be expressed in a richer set of characters, such as Latin characters with diacriticals and the many Asian characters. The goal of the current work is to add local-part support for these additional characters, while preserving the large, installed base of ASCII usage. The group will take: draft-hoffman-imaa-03.txt draft-klensin-emailaddr-i18n-01.txt draft-duerst-iri-04.txt as input to discussions. The group will pay particular attention to barriers to adoption and utility, as well as any impact the new scheme might have on the existing base of Internet mail usage. Milestones ---------- Nov, 03: BOF Dec, 03: WG chartered Feb, 03: Initial draft of working group specifications. Jun, 03: Specifications submitted for IETF approval d/ -- Dave Crocker Brandenburg InternetWorking Sunnyvale, CA USA From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:12:53 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26325 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:12:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjU-0006Xa-RO for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:20 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43NTu5007237 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmy-0001pT-M9 for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:29 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11408 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmu-00047Z-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmu-00047W-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:24 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmr-0001hz-1p; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:21 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEH1W-0001OM-GR for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:43:46 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28800 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:43:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEH1S-00023F-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:43:43 -0500 Received: from sentosa.post1.com ([202.27.17.100]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEH1R-00022U-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 18:43:42 -0500 Received: (qmail 5838 invoked from network); 28 Oct 2003 00:01:35 -0000 Received: from rifcd-04p117.ppp.odn.ad.jp (HELO pobox.org.sg) (211.3.24.117) by sentosa.post1.com with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 00:01:35 -0000 Message-ID: <3F9CFC5D.7060509@pobox.org.sg> Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:07:09 +0800 From: James Seng User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en, zh-cn, zh-tw, ja, ko MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Patrik_F=E4ltstr=F6m?= CC: ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, lemonade@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, ietf-imapext@imc.org, ietf-smtp@imc.org, Pete Resnick , Ted Hardie , Ned Freed Subject: Re: [idn] FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) References: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id SAA28802 Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I seen John and Paul proposal but I have not seen Michel. Is there a=20 draft that I can read up? ps: I wont be able to join the meeting but I am interested in the subject. -James Seng Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m wrote: > At the IETF in Minneapolis, there will be a BOF on Internationalized=20 > Email Addresses (IEA). >=20 > It is *preliminary* on the agenda on Monday, November 10, 2003 at=20 > 1530-1730. >=20 > Chairs: Pete Resnick, Patrik F=E4ltstr=F6m > Mailing list:imaa@imc.org (other salient lists include uri@w3.org) > Agenda: >=20 > Agenda Bashing (Chairs) 5 min. > Topic Introduction (Chairs) 10 min. > Proposals > IDNA-Based (Paul Hoffman) 15 min. > Infrastructure-Based (John Klensin) 15 min. > IRI-Based (Michel Suignard) 15 min. >=20 > Discussion 60 min. >=20 > Topics for discussion: >=20 > Are there other solutions which have been specified? >=20 > The solutions present the problem at different scopes; >=20 > Where should the IETF tackle it? >=20 > Are some short-term, and other long-term? >=20 > Can the solutions be staged or co-exist? >=20 > If staged, how to migrate from one to another? >=20 > What are the next steps for the IETF? >=20 >=20 > NB: This BoF is exploratory in nature, and it is not intended that the= =20 > IETF will finalize a decision in this venue. It was proposed to foster= =20 > a community discussion, not charter a working group or pick a winner. I= f=20 > further work is required, step one would be identifying individuals=20 > willing to carry that work forward. >=20 > Reading material: > draft-hoffman-imaa-03.txt > draft-klensin-emailaddr-i18n-01.txt > draft-duerst-iri-04.txt >=20 > Pete and myself hope people will come with a lot of constructive=20 > comments and ideas. >=20 > Patrik, co-chair of the bof >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:14:59 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA26957 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:14:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjS-0006a4-S2 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:19 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43NU2n007517 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmz-0001se-8j for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11417 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmv-00047m-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:25 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmv-00047j-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:25 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrms-0001iv-1L; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:22 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEHXE-0004TY-UX for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:16:33 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id TAA00174 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:16:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEHXD-0002aX-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:16:31 -0500 Received: from w1309.hostcentric.net ([66.40.78.254]) by ietf-mx with smtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEHXC-0002aP-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 19:16:30 -0500 Received: (qmail 22319 invoked by alias); 28 Oct 2003 00:16:21 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO DAVIS1) (129.42.184.35) by 0 with SMTP; 28 Oct 2003 00:16:21 -0000 Message-ID: <00fd01c39ce8$b6f19fe0$79d52b09@DAVIS1> From: "Mark Davis" To: "Mark Crispin" , "Keith Moore" Cc: , , , , , , , , , , , , , References: Subject: Re: [idn] Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 16:16:20 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ietf.org id TAA00178 Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm curious: why do you think that everyone would be satisfied with Latin characters only, and no non-Latin characters? Mark __________________________________ http://www.macchiato.com =E2=96=BA =E0=A4=B6=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=B7=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=AF=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=A6= =E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=9A=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=9B=E0=A5=87=E0=A4=A4=E0=A5=8D=E0=A4=AA=E0= =A4=B0=E0=A4=BE=E0=A4=9C=E0=A4=AF=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=8D =E2=97=84 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Mark Crispin" To: "Keith Moore" Cc: ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Mon, 2003 Oct 27 11:10 Subject: [idn] Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) > On Mon, 27 Oct 2003, Keith Moore wrote: > > >> Thanks for taking a stab at a problem statement. I'd like to drill= down > >> on this just a bit. > >> What is the source of the "growing need"? Is it: > >> [snip] > > > I agree that this needs to be stated, but someone other than me will ha= ve > to do it. > > I believe that the primary push for this functionality comes from regio= ns > which use Latin alphabetics with diacriticals; and that most individual= s > in regions which do not use Latin script are accept the use of Latin > script for multinational interchange. In many regions where Latin > diacriticals are used, there is no acceptable transform of a surname to= a > form that does not use diacriticals. Simply omitting the diacritical > causes (at least to the inhabitants of those regions) a misspelling. > > This set of beliefs naturally biases how I approach the problem. The > problem statement must be free of bias, including mine. > > -- Mark -- > > http://staff.washington.edu/mrc > Science does not emerge from voting, party politics, or public debate. > Si vis pacem, para bellum. > > > > > > > > From exim@www1.ietf.org Tue Mar 30 18:19:34 2004 Received: from optimus.ietf.org (optimus.ietf.org [132.151.1.19]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA28395 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:19:33 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1B8RjQ-0006ZK-Gu for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 17:29:17 -0500 Received: (from exim@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.12.8/8.12.8/Submit) id hA43NU3J007503 for discuss-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:30 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmx-0001o1-R2 for discuss-web-archive@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id WAA11405 for ; Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:23:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmu-00047R-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:24 -0500 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=optimus.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AGrmt-00047M-00 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:23 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=www1.ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AGrmp-0001ha-6i; Mon, 03 Nov 2003 22:23:19 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by optimus.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.20) id 1AEDHc-0007nT-OO for discuss@optimus.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:44:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA03168 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:43:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEDHZ-0002yv-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:44:05 -0500 Received: from mail.securesoftware.com ([206.131.226.4]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1AEDHZ-0002yD-00 for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:44:05 -0500 Received: from 206.131.226.48 (unknown [206.131.226.48]) by mail.securesoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49062164; Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:42:18 -0500 (EST) From: Dave Aronson Organization: Secure Software -- http://www.securesw.com/ To: bill-imc@carpenter.ORG (WJCarpenter), ietf-imaa@imc.org, idn@ops.ietf.org, ietf-822@imc.org, ietf@ietf.org, ietf-pop3ext@imc.org, lemonade@ietf.org, discuss@apps.ietf.org, ietf-imapext@imc.org, ietf-smtp@imc.org Subject: Re: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2003 14:43:09 -0500 User-Agent: KMail/1.5.2 References: <4CD48AD0-07EE-11D8-9C47-000A959CF516@cisco.com> <4027-Mon27Oct2003093046-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG> In-Reply-To: <4027-Mon27Oct2003093046-0800-bill@carpenter.ORG> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200310271443.09779.spamtrap.ietf@dja.mailme.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Mon October 27 2003 12:30, WJCarpenter wrote: > mc> As presently constituted, email addresses are limited to the 26 > mc> Latin alphabetics, 10 digits, and a limited number of special > mc> characters in the ASCII character set. There is a growing need > to > > upper and lower case alphabetics Yes, but with either of those two sets (generally) considered equivalent to the other, boiling down to effectively 26 choices. -- Dave Aronson, Senior Software Engineer, Secure Software Inc. 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Tue, 28 Oct 2003 10:54:22 -0600 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.0.6487.1 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: RE: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 11:54:21 -0500 Message-ID: Thread-Topic: FYI: BOF on Internationalized Email Addresses (IEA) Thread-Index: AcOdY3TL2xxUnJupRI2uu4njYAvuPgAD/9pQ To: , , , , , , , , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 28 Oct 2003 16:54:22.0543 (UTC) FILETIME=[22FF4DF0:01C39D74] Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Precedence: bulk Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: discuss-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Excuse me, but could you please constrain this conversation to fewer than 9 (nine!) e-mail lists? The BOF description lists imaa@imc.org as the discussion list, but this discussion is being cc:ed to ietf-imaa@imc.org. I'd suggest that you move this discussion to whichever of those lists is actually correct. Margaret