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* Uma radiografia atualizada do chamado "movimento de movimentos" alter-globalista, suas metas, sua função dinamizadora, suas discussões estratégicas e de bastidores, seu poder real e seus calcanhares de Aquiles

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* Os recados de Frei Betto * Gramsci: Parcelas gradativas do poder * Lenine: "Doença infantil do comunismo" * "Política, mística e religião": a "companheira Aparecida" * "A dialética é que tem razão" * Filha do "Che" Guevara: "métodos velhos" e "erros" a serem evitados

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* Holloway e a "revolução intersticial" * Tariq Ali: tomar o poder para transformar o mundo * Atilio Borón: atualidade de Lenine * "Certeza fundamental da superioridade do comunismo" * Stédile: "nossa querida Rosa Luxemburgo" * Rosa Luxemburgo e dilemas atuais

3. Chávez: ¿"novo libertador", sucessor de Fidel Castro?

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8. FSM, "matança dos inocentes" e "diversidade" intolerante

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9. Esquerdas reconhecem calcanhares de Aquiles

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Minnesota, which can clin= ch a wild-card playoff spot with a loss by either Carolina or St. Louis this weekend, app= eared on its way to retaking the lead. But a holding penalty on Birk -- the Vikings= were flagged nine times for 78 yards -- wiped out a 16-yard run by Michael Benn= ett that would have given them the ball at the Green Bay 40 just before the 2-minut= e warning.
 
The Vikings (8-7), though= , couldn't get what they needed from a pass defense that has struggled all season.
 
Government spokesman Raan= an Gissin said four soldiers were killed.
 
Six people were taken to = hospital -- four badly hurt, one with moderate injuries and one lightly injured, milit= ary sources said.
 
The sources said another = soldier remained beneath the rubble.
 
Gissin said rescue operat= ions were continuing Sunday night.
 
The attack "indicates tha= t unless there is decisive and sustained effort taken to dismantle the terrorist organization, it will be impossible to move towards normalizations and tow= ards political negotiations," Gissin told a news crew. "And I think the responsibility on that lies with the Palestinian Authority."
 
Shortly after the first b= last, a second explosion was heard in southern Gaza, but its precise location was = not immediately known.
 
Hamas, in a phone call to= CNN, said it had set off the first explosion near Rafah in cooperation with a group = called the Fatah Hawks.
 
There was no immediate in= formation available on that group, although it was believed to be linked to the Fata= h movement formerly led by the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.=
 
Israeli military sources = said it was a coordinated attack, with Palestinians firing mortar shells and guns at t= he post when the explosives were detonated.
 
It was not clear whether = there were Palestinian casualties.
 
News video of the afterma= th showed soldiers using stretchers to transport troops who appeared to be severely = wounded.
 
In a pamphlet distributed= after the attack, Hamas said it had used 1.5 tons of explosives and had recorded vid= eo of the incident.
 
Palestinians have used tu= nnels in the area to smuggle weapons from Egypt. Israel has carried out operations to c= rack down on the smuggling.
Shell explosion in schoolyard
 
An Israeli tank shell exp= loded in a Gaza schoolyard Sunday morning, wounding eight Palestinian schoolchildren,= Palestinian medical and security sources said.
 
The children between the = ages of 6 and 12 -- sustained moderate to light injuries, the sources said.
 
The violence happened in = Khan Yunis in central Gaza
 
Israeli military sources = said that forces in the area identified what they thought was a number of mortar she= lls being fired towards Israeli settlements nearby.
 
In response, the forces f= ired towards the positions with light weapons, but did not fire a tank shell, the milit= ary sources said.
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life Sender: "Ralph Mccormick" Message-ID: <073460664115.MUH50175@cahoot.jumpy.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="Java.NDGWZ.8376223347433498481" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Message-Id: <646312753282507@PHYYCBLVD> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1437 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1437 X-Spam-Score: 11.0 (+++++++++++) X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Scan-Signature: b360bd6cb019c35178e5cf9eeb747a5c This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --Java.NDGWZ.8376223347433498481 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Java.DIYYP.0074605378782780918" --Java.DIYYP.0074605378782780918 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Minnesota, which can clinch a wild-card playoff spot with a loss by either Carolina or St. Louis this weekend, appeared on its way to retaking the lead. 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Minnesota, which can clin= ch a wild-card playoff spot with a loss by either Carolina or St. Louis this weekend, app= eared on its way to retaking the lead. But a holding penalty on Birk -- the Vikings= were flagged nine times for 78 yards -- wiped out a 16-yard run by Michael Benn= ett that would have given them the ball at the Green Bay 40 just before the 2-minut= e warning.
 
The Vikings (8-7), though= , couldn't get what they needed from a pass defense that has struggled all season.
 
Government spokesman Raan= an Gissin said four soldiers were killed.
 
Six people were taken to = hospital -- four badly hurt, one with moderate injuries and one lightly injured, milit= ary sources said.
 
The sources said another = soldier remained beneath the rubble.
 
Gissin said rescue operat= ions were continuing Sunday night.
 
The attack "indicates tha= t unless there is decisive and sustained effort taken to dismantle the terrorist organization, it will be impossible to move towards normalizations and tow= ards political negotiations," Gissin told a news crew. "And I think the responsibility on that lies with the Palestinian Authority."
 
Shortly after the first b= last, a second explosion was heard in southern Gaza, but its precise location was = not immediately known.
 
Hamas, in a phone call to= CNN, said it had set off the first explosion near Rafah in cooperation with a group = called the Fatah Hawks.
 
There was no immediate in= formation available on that group, although it was believed to be linked to the Fata= h movement formerly led by the late Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat.=
 
Israeli military sources = said it was a coordinated attack, with Palestinians firing mortar shells and guns at t= he post when the explosives were detonated.
 
It was not clear whether = there were Palestinian casualties.
 
News video of the afterma= th showed soldiers using stretchers to transport troops who appeared to be severely = wounded.
 
In a pamphlet distributed= after the attack, Hamas said it had used 1.5 tons of explosives and had recorded vid= eo of the incident.
 
Palestinians have used tu= nnels in the area to smuggle weapons from Egypt. Israel has carried out operations to c= rack down on the smuggling.
Shell explosion in schoolyard
 
An Israeli tank shell exp= loded in a Gaza schoolyard Sunday morning, wounding eight Palestinian schoolchildren,= Palestinian medical and security sources said.
 
The children between the = ages of 6 and 12 -- sustained moderate to light injuries, the sources said.
 
The violence happened in = Khan Yunis in central Gaza
 
Israeli military sources = said that forces in the area identified what they thought was a number of mortar she= lls being fired towards Israeli settlements nearby.
 
In response, the forces f= ired towards the positions with light weapons, but did not fire a tank shell, the milit= ary sources said.
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From: Yoshiro YONEYA X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7aefe408d50e9c7c47615841cb314bed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:28:01 -0500 X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 08e48e05374109708c00c6208b534009 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On the Draft Agenda of the Sixty-second IETF, apparea meeting is scheduled on Monday morning. Is there any agenda items? 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I > think making > > summary and drafting common guideline for application > implementation > > is very important. I think it will need 30min. > > > > -- > > Yoshiro YONEYA > > > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:01 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" > wrote: > > > > > Sure, we can do that. Would you be willing to prepare some > > > materials and lead the discussion? How much time would be needed? > > > > > > -Scott- > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Yoshiro YONEYA [mailto:yone@jprs.co.jp] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:31 AM > > > > To: sah@428cobrajet.net > > > > Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org; james@seng.cc > > > > Subject: Re: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items > > > > > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > > > This is Yoneya at JPRS. I send attatched mail last > night to this > > > > list but it seems not delivered. > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Yoshiro YONEYA > > > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Does anyone have anything that they'd like to talk about > > > > during the APPAREA > > > > > meeting we have scheduled for IETF-62? If not, it may end > > > > up being a pretty > > > > > short meeting! > > > > > > > > > > -Scott- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Yoshiro YONEYA > From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Thu Feb 24 00:12:38 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA05110 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:12:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D4Bfd-0008Th-By for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 00:36:17 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D3vTJ-0005Ra-GU; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:29 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D3vTF-0005RE-GJ for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:26 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA09483 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from cliffie.verisignlabs.com ([65.201.175.9] helo=mail.verisignlabs.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D3vpo-0000g9-ID for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:41:45 -0500 Received: from dul1shollenbl1 ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: LOGIN shollenb, SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-MD5) by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:17:46 -0500 id 005742CC.421C746A.00004C78 Received-SPF: unknown (Address does not pass the Sender Policy Framework) SPF=HELO; sender=dul1shollenbl1; remoteip=::ffff:216.168.239.87; remotehost=; helo=dul1shollenbl1; receiver=mail.verisignlabs.com; Received-SPF: none (Address does not pass the Sender Policy Framework) SPF=MAILFROM; sender=sah@428cobrajet.net; remoteip=::ffff:216.168.239.87; remotehost=; helo=dul1shollenbl1; receiver=mail.verisignlabs.com; From: "Scott Hollenbeck" To: "'Yoshiro YONEYA'" Subject: RE: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:01 -0500 Message-ID: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF0749C76E@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 In-Reply-To: <20050223.143122.72142924.yone@jprs.co.jp> Importance: Normal X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 97adf591118a232206bdb5a27b217034 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org, james@seng.cc X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sure, we can do that. Would you be willing to prepare some materials and lead the discussion? How much time would be needed? -Scott- > -----Original Message----- > From: Yoshiro YONEYA [mailto:yone@jprs.co.jp] > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:31 AM > To: sah@428cobrajet.net > Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org; james@seng.cc > Subject: Re: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items > > > Scott, > > This is Yoneya at JPRS. I send attatched mail last night to this list > but it seems not delivered. > > -- > Yoshiro YONEYA > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" > wrote: > > > Does anyone have anything that they'd like to talk about > during the APPAREA > > meeting we have scheduled for IETF-62? If not, it may end > up being a pretty > > short meeting! > > > > -Scott- > > From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Thu Feb 24 01:03:05 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA23561 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:03:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D4CSQ-0005dX-3S for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:26:42 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D3xVC-0003Pu-7Y; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:28:34 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D3p81-0007UP-JP for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:32:08 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id AAA12290 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:31:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp ([202.11.17.113]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D3pUW-0002Ua-Az for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 00:55:21 -0500 Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with SMTP id j1N5VLE5008800; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:31:21 +0900 (JST) Received: (from localhost [172.18.4.45]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (SMSSMTP 4.0.4.64) with SMTP id M2005022314312030079 ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:31:20 +0900 Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 14:31:22 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050223.143122.72142924.yone@jprs.co.jp> To: sah@428cobrajet.net Subject: Re: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items From: Yoshiro YONEYA In-Reply-To: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF0749C764@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> References: <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF0749C764@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Wed_Feb_23_14_31_22_2005_571)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 9ed51c9d1356100bce94f1ae4ec616a9 X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 09:28:02 -0500 Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org, james@seng.cc X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 21c69d3cfc2dd19218717dbe1d974352 ----Next_Part(Wed_Feb_23_14_31_22_2005_571)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, This is Yoneya at JPRS. I send attatched mail last night to this list but it seems not delivered. -- Yoshiro YONEYA On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" wrote: > Does anyone have anything that they'd like to talk about during the APPAREA > meeting we have scheduled for IETF-62? If not, it may end up being a pretty > short meeting! > > -Scott- ----Next_Part(Wed_Feb_23_14_31_22_2005_571)-- Content-Type: Message/Rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 01:22:24 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050223.012224.28519122.yone@jprs.co.jp> To: discuss@apps.ietf.org Subject: BoF Agenda? From: Yoshiro YONEYA X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) MIME-Version: 1.0 On the Draft Agenda of the Sixty-second IETF, apparea meeting is scheduled on Monday morning. Is there any agenda items? I'd like to propose to have discussion about IDN aware application implementation guideline. -- Yoshiro YONEYA ----Next_Part(Wed_Feb_23_14_31_22_2005_571)---- From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Thu Feb 24 01:28:07 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id BAA02440 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:28:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D4Cqd-0008M9-H4 for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 01:51:44 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D493j-0005JQ-3D; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:48:59 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D493h-0005EU-8C for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:48:57 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA12683 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:48:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakermmtao10.cox.net ([68.230.240.29]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D49QT-0001aK-Pm for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 22:12:32 -0500 Received: from A31P ([68.100.55.187]) by lakermmtao10.cox.net (InterMail vM.6.01.04.00 201-2131-117-20041022) with ESMTP id <20050224024840.IPOE17761.lakermmtao10.cox.net@A31P>; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:48:40 -0500 From: "Scott Hollenbeck" To: "'Yoshiro YONEYA'" , Subject: RE: BoF Agenda? Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:48:39 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 In-Reply-To: <20050223.012224.28519122.yone@jprs.co.jp> x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.2527 Thread-Index: AcUaBqA2D2MzyuOZRPK+edu0nc2BYQAFI1fA Message-Id: <20050224024840.IPOE17761.lakermmtao10.cox.net@A31P> X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7d33c50f3756db14428398e2bdedd581 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 798b2e660f1819ae38035ac1d8d5e3ab Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm still working on the agenda. I'm also working to save a slot for this discussion. -Scott- > -----Original Message----- > From: Yoshiro YONEYA [mailto:yone@jprs.co.jp] > Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 11:22 AM > To: discuss@apps.ietf.org > Subject: BoF Agenda? > > On the Draft Agenda of the Sixty-second IETF, apparea meeting > is scheduled on Monday morning. Is there any agenda items? > I'd like to propose to have discussion about IDN aware > application implementation guideline. > > -- > Yoshiro YONEYA > > From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Thu Feb 24 07:32:51 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA11021 for ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D4IXg-0003xK-UA for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:56:32 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D4IAS-00037d-66; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:32:32 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D48C2-0003oS-0s for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:53:30 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id UAA22059 for ; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 20:53:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp ([202.11.17.113]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D48Yp-0003nt-KQ for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Feb 2005 21:17:04 -0500 Received: from send01.jprs.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (8.12.10+Sun/8.12.11) with SMTP id j1O1r7ED015057; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:53:16 +0900 (JST) Received: (from localhost [172.18.4.45]) by send01.jprs.co.jp (SMSSMTP 4.0.4.64) with SMTP id M2005022410531600645 ; Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:53:16 +0900 Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:53:17 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20050224.105317.33632045.yone@jprs.co.jp> To: sah@428cobrajet.net Subject: Re: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items From: Yoshiro YONEYA In-Reply-To: <20050224.104543.29529257.yone@jprs.co.jp> References: <20050223.143122.72142924.yone@jprs.co.jp> <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF0749C76E@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <20050224.104543.29529257.yone@jprs.co.jp> X-Mailer: Mew version 4.0.65 on Emacs 21.1 / Mule 5.0 (SAKAKI) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; boundary="--Next_Part(Thu_Feb_24_10_53_17_2005_931)--" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 187ae6c2eea74946c0ab707161f6256d X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 07:32:29 -0500 Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org, james@seng.cc X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@ietf.org ----Next_Part(Thu_Feb_24_10_53_17_2005_931)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott, Sorry, I forgot to attach I-D. On Thu, 24 Feb 2005 10:45:43 +0900 (JST) Yoshiro YONEYA wrote: > Scott, > > Thank you for your response. I submitted attached Internet Draft but > I'm not sure it is processed or not. I'm going to make a presentation > about this, and want to gather comments. Actually, this is not my own > idea and already discussed in ietf/idn mailing lists. I think making > summary and drafting common guideline for application implementation > is very important. I think it will need 30min. > > -- > Yoshiro YONEYA > > On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:01 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" wrote: > > > Sure, we can do that. Would you be willing to prepare some materials and > > lead the discussion? How much time would be needed? > > > > -Scott- > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Yoshiro YONEYA [mailto:yone@jprs.co.jp] > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:31 AM > > > To: sah@428cobrajet.net > > > Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org; james@seng.cc > > > Subject: Re: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items > > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > > > > This is Yoneya at JPRS. I send attatched mail last night to this list > > > but it seems not delivered. > > > > > > -- > > > Yoshiro YONEYA > > > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Does anyone have anything that they'd like to talk about > > > during the APPAREA > > > > meeting we have scheduled for IETF-62? If not, it may end > > > up being a pretty > > > > short meeting! > > > > > > > > -Scott- > > > > > > > > > -- Yoshiro YONEYA ----Next_Part(Thu_Feb_24_10_53_17_2005_931)-- Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline; filename="draft-yoneya-idn-app-guideline-00.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Network Working Group Y. Yoneya Internet-Draft JPRS Expires: Aug 20, 2005 Feb 20, 2005 IDN aware application implementation guideline draft-yoneya-idn-app-guideline-00 Status of this Memo This document is an Internet-Draft and is subject to all provisions of section 3 of RFC 3667. By submitting this Internet-Draft, I certify that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which I am aware have been disclosed, or will be disclosed, and any of which I become aware will be disclosed, in accordance with RFC 3668. Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference material or to cite them other than a "work in progress." The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. This Internet-Draft will expire on August 20, 2005. Copyright Notice Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). Abstract Since IDN Standards [RFC3490-3492] were published, some of gTLDs and ccTLDs began IDN registration and resolution service. Furthermore, many major Web browsers became IDN aware. IDNs seem to be popularized soon. Meanwhile, IDN introduces huge number of characters which can represent domain name, so it increases human misreading of domain name with similar looking characters. This issue was discussed deeply during IDN standardization and service development, and as a result, JET Guideline [RFC3743] and ICANN IDN Guideline [ICANN-IDN] was published. Even if TLD registries comply such guidelines, bad-faith guys may use IDNs to deceive human eyes with similar looking characters. To protect users from such deceiver, implementation guideline for how to handle IDNs at the User Interface level is important. This document is intended to be such guideline for application implementers. 1. Introduction IDN Standards allows using any sequence of non-prohibited Unicode characters to compose Internationalized domain name. It have to be considered as technical margin, and have to be recognized unlimited use of IDN specification will cause confusion of users. JET Guideline and ICANN IDN Guideline were developped to decrease such confusion, but bad-faith guys are still possible to use such IDN specification to deceive Internet users. Through IDN experiences, to decrease such confusion, importance of additional User Interface level support is recognized. 2. IDN aware application implementation guideline [ At this moment, this guideline is narrowing its scope to Web browsers. ] 2.1 Visibility support If user typed and / or copy-and-pasted URI included Internationalized character(s) in domain name part, then displayed URI should be colored or have icon like HTTPS access. If the terminal doesn't have color or attribute capability, then displayed URI should be Punycode as a default. Having toggle switch to display IDN and Punycode in address bar will be helpful. 2.2 Introduce additional mapping Some of mathematical operators have the same shape with ASCII punctuations which have special meaning in many protocols. Those characters may be "map"ped to ASCII characters. U+2212 -> U+002D U+2215 -> U+002F U+2236 -> U+003A If applications don't want to against protocol specification, those characters should be displayed strongly distinguishable form or color or code such as %-encoding. 2.3 Introduce additional prohibit characters At this moment, there is no significant advantage to use symbolic characters in IDN. Treating such characters as "prohibited" in NAMEPREP [RFC3491] stage won't be a serious problem. Followings may be treated as "prohibited" in applications. U+2000-U+2AFF: Punctuations, Symbols, Marks, and so on. U+3200-U+32FF: Enclosed CJK Letters and Months U+3300-U+33FF: CJK Compatibility If applications don't want to against protocol specification, those characters should be displayed strongly distinguishable form or color or code such as %-encoding. 2.4 IDN Language Table reference [ TBD. some sort of table lookup mechanism for IDN Language Table will be helpful ] 3. References [RFC3454] P. Hoffman and M. Blanchet, "Preparation of Internationalized Strings ("stringprep")", RFC 3454, December 2002. [RFC3490] P. Faltstrom, P. Hoffman, and A. Costello, "Internationalizing Domain Names in Applications (IDNA)", RFC 3490, March 2003. [RFC3491] P. Hoffman, and M. Blanchet, "Nameprep: A Stringprep Profile for Internationalized Domain Names (IDN)", RFC 3491, March 2003. [RFC3492] A. Costello, "Punycode: A Bootstring encoding of Unicode for Internationalized Domain Names in Applications (IDNA)", RFC 3492, March 2003. [RFC3743] K. Konishi, K. Huang, H. Qian, and Y. Ko, "Joint Engineering Team (JET) Guidelines for Internationalized Domain Names (IDN) Registration and Administration for Chinese, Japanese, and Korean", RFC 3743, April 2004. [ICANN-IDN] Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, "Guidelines for the Implementation of Internationalized Domain Names, Version 1.0", June 2003. 4. Security considerations See "Security Considerations" section in STRINGPREP [RFC3454]. 5. Author's Address Yoshiro YONEYA Japan Registry Services Co., Ltd. Chiyoda First Bldg. East 13F, 3-8-1 Nishi-Kanda Chiyoda-ku, Tokyo 101-0065, JAPAN yone@jprs.co.jp Disclaimer of Validity This document and the information contained herein are provided on an "AS IS" basis and THE CONTRIBUTOR, THE ORGANIZATION HE/SHE REPRESENTS OR IS SPONSORED BY (IF ANY), THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. Copyright statement Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). This document is subject to the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and except as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights. 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I submitted attached Internet Draft but I'm not sure it is processed or not. I'm going to make a presentation about this, and want to gather comments. Actually, this is not my own idea and already discussed in ietf/idn mailing lists. I think making summary and drafting common guideline for application implementation is very important. I think it will need 30min. -- Yoshiro YONEYA On Wed, 23 Feb 2005 07:18:01 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" wrote: > Sure, we can do that. Would you be willing to prepare some materials and > lead the discussion? How much time would be needed? > > -Scott- > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Yoshiro YONEYA [mailto:yone@jprs.co.jp] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 12:31 AM > > To: sah@428cobrajet.net > > Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org; james@seng.cc > > Subject: Re: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items > > > > > > Scott, > > > > This is Yoneya at JPRS. I send attatched mail last night to this list > > but it seems not delivered. > > > > -- > > Yoshiro YONEYA > > > > On Tue, 22 Feb 2005 10:27:42 -0500 "Scott Hollenbeck" > > wrote: > > > > > Does anyone have anything that they'd like to talk about > > during the APPAREA > > > meeting we have scheduled for IETF-62? If not, it may end > > up being a pretty > > > short meeting! > > > > > > -Scott- > > > > > From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Fri Feb 25 02:59:54 2005 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12914 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:59:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from megatron.ietf.org ([132.151.6.71]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D4aOH-0001u4-GP for discuss-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 03:00:01 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D4aN2-0003La-MT; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:58:44 -0500 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1D4aMz-0003IF-PA for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:58:42 -0500 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA12733 for ; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:58:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from homer.w3.org ([128.30.52.30]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.33) id 1D4aN4-0001s2-6a for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:58:46 -0500 Received: from EBOSHIIWA.w3.org (homer.w3.org [128.30.52.30]) by homer.w3.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C077C4F3FC; Fri, 25 Feb 2005 02:58:32 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <6.0.0.20.2.20050225160604.07a45c40@localhost> X-Sender: duerst@localhost X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6J Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2005 16:34:56 +0900 To: Yoshiro YONEYA , sah@428cobrajet.net From: Martin Duerst Subject: Re: APPAREA Meeting Agenda Items In-Reply-To: <20050224.105317.33632045.yone@jprs.co.jp> References: <20050223.143122.72142924.yone@jprs.co.jp> <046F43A8D79C794FA4733814869CDF0749C76E@dul1wnexmb01.vcorp.ad.vrsn.com> <20050224.104543.29529257.yone@jprs.co.jp> <20050224.105317.33632045.yone@jprs.co.jp> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: e5bfa71b340354e384155def5e70b13b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: discuss@apps.ietf.org, james@seng.cc X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@ietf.org X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 5fb88b8381f3896aeacc5a021513237b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Yoshiro, others, I'll unfortuately not be at the meeting, so I'm just using this opportunity for comments on this document. If this is not an appropriate venue for such comments, please tell me where to send them. Also, I guess that Yoshiro wrote the first draft in quite some hurry before the deadline, so I understand that it's far from final. Overall, I think it is a good idea that the IETF does something re. IDN spoofing/phishing as it has recently received quite some attention. The main goal would be to make clear that "just switch off IDN" isn't a solution (the same way as "just plug the cable" (or these days "just switch off wireless" :-) isn't an answer to other security problems), and to provide implementers with help, advice, ideas, and guidance. But this has to be done very carefully. We should avoid the impression that we know what user interface works best, we should avoid the impression that this is mainly an user interface issue (it is at least as much, if not more, a registry issue, and also very much a user education and law enforcement issue). Some more comments inline. I'll not comment on purely grammatical or editorial issues, that can wait for a later round. At 10:53 05/02/24, Yoshiro YONEYA wrote: >Network Working Group Y. Yoneya >Internet-Draft JPRS >Expires: Aug 20, 2005 Feb 20, 2005 > > IDN aware application implementation guideline > draft-yoneya-idn-app-guideline-00 > >Status of this Memo > > This document is an Internet-Draft and is subject to all provisions of > section 3 of RFC 3667. By submitting this Internet-Draft, I certify > that any applicable patent or other IPR claims of which I am aware > have been disclosed, or will be disclosed, and any of which I become > aware will be disclosed, in accordance with RFC 3668. > > Internet-Drafts are working documents of the Internet Engineering Task > Force (IETF), its areas, and its working groups. Note that other > groups may also distribute working documents as Internet-Drafts. > > Internet-Drafts are draft documents valid for a maximum of six months > and may be updated, replaced, or obsoleted by other documents at any > time. It is inappropriate to use Internet-Drafts as reference > material or to cite them other than a "work in progress." > > The list of current Internet-Drafts can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/ietf/1id-abstracts.txt. > > The list of Internet-Draft Shadow Directories can be accessed at > http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html. > > This Internet-Draft will expire on August 20, 2005. > >Copyright Notice > > Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). > >Abstract > > Since IDN Standards [RFC3490-3492] were published, some of gTLDs and > ccTLDs began IDN registration and resolution service. Furthermore, > many major Web browsers became IDN aware. IDNs seem to be popularized > soon. > > Meanwhile, IDN introduces huge number of characters which can > represent domain name, so it increases human misreading of domain name > with similar looking characters. This issue was discussed deeply > during IDN standardization and service development, and as a result, > JET Guideline [RFC3743] and ICANN IDN Guideline [ICANN-IDN] was > published. Even if TLD registries comply such guidelines, bad-faith > guys may use IDNs to deceive human eyes with similar looking > characters. I'd suggest that this be written a bit more generally, i.e. not as if the JET and ICANN guidelines were the only ones, and will not change. > To protect users from such deceiver, implementation guideline for how > to handle IDNs at the User Interface level is important. This > document is intended to be such guideline for application > implementers. > >1. Introduction > > IDN Standards allows using any sequence of non-prohibited Unicode > characters to compose Internationalized domain name. It have to be > considered as technical margin, and have to be recognized unlimited > use of IDN specification will cause confusion of users. will -> may > JET Guideline and ICANN IDN Guideline were developped to decrease such > confusion, but bad-faith guys are still possible to use such IDN > specification to deceive Internet users. Through IDN experiences, to > decrease such confusion, importance of additional User Interface level > support is recognized. I'd write something like "a carefully designed user interface may help to decrease confusion and avoid deception". >2. IDN aware application implementation guideline > > [ At this moment, this guideline is narrowing its scope to Web > browsers. ] > >2.1 Visibility support > > If user typed and / or copy-and-pasted URI included Internationalized > character(s) Better use "non-ASCII characters" than "Internationalized characters". URIs can't include non-ASCII characters. IRIs can (see RFC 3987). URIs can include %-encoded non-ASCII characters in the domain name part if such encoding is based on UTF-8 according to the latest version of the URI spec [RFC 3986]. Browsers may take such %-encodings and convert them to readable characters automatically (e.g. Opera does). >in domain name part, then displayed URI should be colored > or have icon like HTTPS access. This is WAY TOO general. Take the average Japanese user. In a year or two, they may see a lot of Japanese domain names every day, most of them completely okay and with little or no chance for spoofing. The icon would always be up. When they see an purportedly ASCII-only domain name, they'll not notice anything special. > If the terminal doesn't have color or attribute capability, then > displayed URI should be Punycode as a default. > > Having toggle switch to display IDN and Punycode in address bar will > be helpful. > >2.2 Introduce additional mapping > > Some of mathematical operators have the same shape with ASCII > punctuations which have special meaning in many protocols. > Those characters may be "map"ped to ASCII characters. > > U+2212 -> U+002D > U+2215 -> U+002F > U+2236 -> U+003A We'd probably better recommend that such stuff is never registered. > If applications don't want to against protocol specification, those > characters should be displayed strongly distinguishable form or > color or code such as %-encoding. What might make more sense is to color, or otherwise visually identify, different parts of an URI/IRI, or to visually identify the characters with special meaning. This may help with other spoofing attacks, such as when it looks like one part of an URI is the domain name when indeed something else is used for that function. >2.3 Introduce additional prohibit characters > > At this moment, there is no significant advantage to use symbolic > characters in IDN. Treating such characters as "prohibited" in > NAMEPREP [RFC3491] stage won't be a serious problem. > > Followings may be treated as "prohibited" in applications. > > U+2000-U+2AFF: Punctuations, Symbols, Marks, and so on. > U+3200-U+32FF: Enclosed CJK Letters and Months > U+3300-U+33FF: CJK Compatibility I'd probably also include the ones from 2.2 here. > If applications don't want to against protocol specification, those > characters should be displayed strongly distinguishable form or > color or code such as %-encoding. There should probably be something about cross-script attacks, because that's what the recent example was, and that's a well-identified threat. >2.4 IDN Language Table reference > > [ TBD. some sort of table lookup mechanism for IDN Language Table will > be helpful ] Is that e.g. for characters that we propose to prohibit? Or for all kinds of language tables? If the later, that may not make sense, because such tables will grow in number and also may change. Also, I hope we can slowly but steadily move away from the term "Language Table", because it is often confusing. Most of the theats we are looking at are not at all, or just only barely, related to language. >3. References We should also point to Unicode TR #36. Regards, Martin. > [RFC3454] P. Hoffman and M. Blanchet, "Preparation of > Internationalized Strings ("stringprep")", RFC 3454, > December 2002. > [RFC3490] P. Faltstrom, P. Hoffman, and A. Costello, > "Internationalizing Domain Names in Applications (IDNA)", > RFC 3490, March 2003. > [RFC3491] P. Hoffman, and M. Blanchet, "Nameprep: A Stringprep > Profile for Internationalized Domain Names (IDN)", RFC > 3491, March 2003. > [RFC3492] A. Costello, "Punycode: A Bootstring encoding of Unicode > for Internationalized Domain Names in Applications > (IDNA)", RFC 3492, March 2003. > [RFC3743] K. Konishi, K. Huang, H. Qian, and Y. Ko, "Joint > Engineering Team (JET) Guidelines for Internationalized > Domain Names (IDN) Registration and Administration for > Chinese, Japanese, and Korean", RFC 3743, April 2004. > [ICANN-IDN] Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers, > "Guidelines for the Implementation of Internationalized > Domain Names, Version 1.0", June 2003. > >4. Security considerations > > See "Security Considerations" section in STRINGPREP [RFC3454]. > >5. Author's Address > > Yoshiro YONEYA > Japan Registry Services Co., Ltd. > Chiyoda First Bldg. East 13F, 3-8-1 Nishi-Kanda Chiyoda-ku, > Tokyo 101-0065, JAPAN > yone@jprs.co.jp > >Disclaimer of Validity > > This document and the information contained herein are provided on an > "AS IS" basis and THE CONTRIBUTOR, THE ORGANIZATION HE/SHE REPRESENTS > OR IS SPONSORED BY (IF ANY), THE INTERNET SOCIETY AND THE INTERNET > ENGINEERING TASK FORCE DISCLAIM ALL WARRANTIES, EXPRESS OR IMPLIED, > INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO ANY WARRANTY THAT THE USE OF THE > INFORMATION HEREIN WILL NOT INFRINGE ANY RIGHTS OR ANY IMPLIED > WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY OR FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. > >Copyright statement > > Copyright (C) The Internet Society (2005). This document is subject to > the rights, licenses and restrictions contained in BCP 78, and except > as set forth therein, the authors retain all their rights. > >Acknowledgment > > Funding for the RFC Editor function is currently provided by the > Internet Society. 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