From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Mon Aug 08 08:35:32 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E26qq-0006WZ-OI; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 08:35:32 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E26qp-0006WU-VW for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 08:35:31 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA17741 for ; Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cliffie.verisignlabs.com ([65.201.175.9] helo=mail.verisignlabs.com) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E27OW-0006a0-OJ for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 09:10:21 -0400 Received: from dul1shollenbl1 ([::ffff:216.168.239.87]) (AUTH: LOGIN shollenb, SSL: TLSv1/SSLv3,128bits,RC4-MD5) by mail.verisignlabs.com with esmtp; Mon, 08 Aug 2005 08:35:17 -0400 id 0056420A.42F75185.000003A0 From: "Scott Hollenbeck" To: discuss@apps.ietf.org Subject: FW: Applications Area assistance in PCE working group Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2005 08:36:02 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook, Build 11.0.6353 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Thread-Index: AcWYCzTtV5T/stkHT4isVhBoxiG3KgECmOPg Message-ID: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 7baded97d9887f7a0c7e8a33c2e3ea1b Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Review requested. Can anyone help? -Scott- -----Original Message----- From: Adrian Farrel [mailto:adrian@olddog.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 5:13 AM To: hardie@qualcomm.com; sah@428cobrajet.net Cc: pce@ietf.org; 'Jean Philippe Vasseur'; zinin@psg.com; Bill Fenner Subject: Applications Area assistance in PCE working group Hi, The PCE working group (http://www.ietf.org/html.charters/pce-charter.html) has developed a set of requirements for a protocol that will be used to request path computations and provide responses. The requirements are essentially for a client/server request/response protocol with specific (but not alarming) characteristics. We know that the Applications Area has a little experience with client/server protocols and we would appreciate some consultation from you or from someone you can nominate (do you have an Applications Area Directorate?). Can you please say whether you know of an existing protocol that closely matches our requirements. Our Architecture is draft-ietf-pce-architecture-01.txt This is pretty cooked. The protocol requirements are in draft-ietf-pce-comm-protocol-gen-reqs-01.txt and are stable, but not complete. The PCE working group has some very tight deadlines on this work, so we would appreciate feedback and suggestions by the end of August. Comments back to the chairs or direct to the PCE mailing list. Thanks for any help. Adrian and JP (PCE chairs) From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Wed Aug 24 08:34:13 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7uSL-0003EI-QL; Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:34:13 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E7cnm-0006QR-2X for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:43:10 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA18219 for ; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:43:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay2.mail.uk.clara.net ([80.168.70.142]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E7cnv-000455-0Y for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 13:43:20 -0400 Received: from du-069-0193.access.clara.net ([217.158.132.193] helo=Puppy) by relay2.mail.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.50) id 1E7cni-000HBB-9e; Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:43:07 +0100 Message-ID: <025d01c5a80a$7ea180e0$c5919ed9@Puppy> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: Subject: Applications Area help requested by PCE Working Group Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2005 18:44:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 856eb5f76e7a34990d1d457d8e8e5b7f Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 24 Aug 2005 08:34:12 -0400 Cc: 'Jean Philippe Vasseur' X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Hi, Scott helpfully forwarded my mail http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/discuss/current/msg00263.html on 8th August. We've had no responses. We believe that we need to go ahead and invent our own protocol for this work, but we want to be sure that you folk don't think there is something that does what we want that we should we re-use or modify slightly. Hence this mail. Giving it until the end of the month before we go our own way. Cheers, Adrian and JP (PCE WG chairs) From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Fri Aug 26 05:37:46 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E8aeg-0003Rg-HF; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:37:46 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E8aee-0003Qz-7e for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:37:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id FAA07417 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:37:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from relay3.mail.uk.clara.net ([80.168.70.143]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E8afK-0007Uh-Oz for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 05:38:28 -0400 Received: from du-069-0045.access.clara.net ([217.158.132.45] helo=Puppy) by relay3.mail.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.46) id 1E8aeY-00088H-DO; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:37:39 +0100 Message-ID: <0b9901c5aa22$2b6beb30$c5919ed9@Puppy> From: "Adrian Farrel" To: , "Martin Duerst" References: <025d01c5a80a$7ea180e0$c5919ed9@Puppy> <6.0.0.20.2.20050825184751.078608e0@itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp> Subject: Re: Applications Area help requested by PCE Working Group Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:26:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Scan-Signature: 3e15cc4fdc61d7bce84032741d11c8e5 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: 'Jean Philippe Vasseur' X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Adrian Farrel List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Thanks Martin, I will take this back to the PCE working group. Adrian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Martin Duerst" To: "Adrian Farrel" ; Cc: "'Jean Philippe Vasseur'" Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 10:53 AM Subject: Re: Applications Area help requested by PCE Working Group > What about just defining an XML format and send it > over HTTP? From a first look, your stuff looks extremely > request/response-oriented. HTTP comes with a lot of what > you need already built in, such as security,... It's > probably not a perfect fit, but the fact that it's > already very widely implemented will help a lot. > If you are concerned about sending everything over > port 80 (or are concerned that the IESG may be concerned), > then using another port would solve that problem. > > If you have looked at HTTP and don't think it works, > then telling us where you see problems will help us > maybe come up with a better idea. > > Regards, Martin. > > At 02:44 05/08/24, Adrian Farrel wrote: > >Hi, > > > >Scott helpfully forwarded my mail > >http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/discuss/current/msg00263.html on 8th > >August. > > > >We've had no responses. > > > >We believe that we need to go ahead and invent our own protocol for this > >work, but we want to be sure that you folk don't think there is something > >that does what we want that we should we re-use or modify slightly. Hence > >this mail. > > > >Giving it until the end of the month before we go our own way. > > > >Cheers, > >Adrian and JP (PCE WG chairs) > > > From discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Fri Aug 26 08:23:10 2005 Received: from localhost.localdomain ([127.0.0.1] helo=megatron.ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E8dEk-0002ub-ML; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:23:10 -0400 Received: from odin.ietf.org ([132.151.1.176] helo=ietf.org) by megatron.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.32) id 1E8Swx-00026s-6O for discuss@megatron.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:24:07 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx.ietf.org (ietf-mx [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id VAA06330 for ; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:24:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp ([133.2.251.194]) by ietf-mx.ietf.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1E8SxW-0002QJ-HM for discuss@apps.ietf.org; Thu, 25 Aug 2005 21:24:45 -0400 Received: from scmse2.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp (scmse2 [133.2.253.17]) by scmailgw1.scop.aoyama.ac.jp (secret/secret) with SMTP id j7Q1NVu06709; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:23:31 +0900 (JST) Received: from nodnsquery(133.2.206.133) by scmse2.scbb.aoyama.ac.jp via csmap id a36f4ae6_15cf_11da_8c3b_0030482532aa_11119; Fri, 26 Aug 2005 10:20:50 +0900 (JST) Received: from Spooler by it.aoyama.ac.jp (Mercury/32 v3.32) ID MO003A9D; 26 Aug 05 10:24:33 +0900 Received: from spooler by it.aoyama.ac.jp (Mercury/32 v3.32); 26 Aug 05 10:24:27 +0900 Received: from EBOSHIIWA.it.aoyama.ac.jp (133.2.210.66) by it.aoyama.ac.jp (Mercury/32 v3.32) with ESMTP ID MG003A9C; 26 Aug 05 10:24:19 +0900 Message-Id: <6.0.0.20.2.20050825184751.078608e0@itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp> X-Sender: duerst@itmail.it.aoyama.ac.jp X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6J Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2005 18:53:10 +0900 To: Adrian Farrel , From: Martin Duerst Subject: Re: Applications Area help requested by PCE Working Group In-Reply-To: <025d01c5a80a$7ea180e0$c5919ed9@Puppy> References: <025d01c5a80a$7ea180e0$c5919ed9@Puppy> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Scan-Signature: bb8f917bb6b8da28fc948aeffb74aa17 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 26 Aug 2005 08:23:09 -0400 Cc: 'Jean Philippe Vasseur' X-BeenThere: discuss@apps.ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: general discussion of application-layer protocols List-Unsubscribe: , List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org Errors-To: discuss-bounces@apps.ietf.org What about just defining an XML format and send it over HTTP? From a first look, your stuff looks extremely request/response-oriented. HTTP comes with a lot of what you need already built in, such as security,... It's probably not a perfect fit, but the fact that it's already very widely implemented will help a lot. If you are concerned about sending everything over port 80 (or are concerned that the IESG may be concerned), then using another port would solve that problem. If you have looked at HTTP and don't think it works, then telling us where you see problems will help us maybe come up with a better idea. Regards, Martin. At 02:44 05/08/24, Adrian Farrel wrote: >Hi, > >Scott helpfully forwarded my mail >http://www1.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/discuss/current/msg00263.html on 8th >August. > >We've had no responses. > >We believe that we need to go ahead and invent our own protocol for this >work, but we want to be sure that you folk don't think there is something >that does what we want that we should we re-use or modify slightly. Hence >this mail. > >Giving it until the end of the month before we go our own way. > >Cheers, >Adrian and JP (PCE WG chairs)