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From: Lisa Dusseault <lisa@osafoundation.org>
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FYI -- this is an individual submission yet intended for Proposed  
Standard, so input is most welcome.

Lisa

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> Date: May 15, 2006 3:02:13 PM PDT
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> Subject: Last Call: 'Atom Threading Extensions' to Proposed  
> Standard  (draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread)
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> The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to  
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> following document:
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> - 'Atom Threading Extensions '
>    <draft-snell-atompub-feed-thread-10.txt> as a Proposed Standard
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> FYI -- this is an individual submission yet intended for Proposed
> Standard, so input is most welcome.

I have a couple of comments, all minor.

The sentence at the beginning of section 3 is confusing (to me at least). it
says:

  The "in-reply-to" element is used to indicate that an entry is a
  response to another resource and MUST contain either or both the
  "ref" and "href" attributes.

Unless you read it carefully it sounds like the MUST requirement applies
to the referenced entry, not the in-reply-to element itself. How about
changing it to something like:

  The "in-reply-to" element is used to indicate that an entry is a
  response to another resource. The element MUST contain either or both the
  "ref" and "href" attributes.

Now, I have a lot more experience with XML Schema than with Relax NG so 
maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the Relax NG definition seems to say
that the source attribute can only appear when the ref attribute is present
and the type attribute can only appear when the href attribute is present.
But this isn't spelled out in the (normative) text. How about adding
"When the ref attribute is present" before "The 'source' attribute ..." and
"When the href attribute is present" before "The 'type' attribute ..."?

Finally, the document seems a bit short on specifics of how the 
in-reply-to element is actually used. Although the underlying semantic
model here seems to be simpler than email's in-reply-to/references scheme
(a good thing IMO), perhaps some words about whether you need to list just
the parent(s) and not the grandparent(s) would be in order. There
were certainly differences of opinion about this in the days of RFC 822
which RFC 2822 section 3.6.4 cleared up.

That's it!

				Ned




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Ned Freed wrote:
>> FYI -- this is an individual submission yet intended for Proposed
>> Standard, so input is most welcome.
> 
> I have a couple of comments, all minor.
> 

Thank you for taking the time.

>[snip]
>   The "in-reply-to" element is used to indicate that an entry is a
>   response to another resource. The element MUST contain either or both the
>   "ref" and "href" attributes.
> 

Yes, this makes sense. Also, I am changing this definition making ref
required in all cases.

> Now, I have a lot more experience with XML Schema than with Relax NG so 
> maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the Relax NG definition seems to say
> that the source attribute can only appear when the ref attribute is present
> and the type attribute can only appear when the href attribute is present.
> But this isn't spelled out in the (normative) text. How about adding
> "When the ref attribute is present" before "The 'source' attribute ..." and
> "When the href attribute is present" before "The 'type' attribute ..."?
> 

Yes.  I'll make the change.

> Finally, the document seems a bit short on specifics of how the 
> in-reply-to element is actually used. Although the underlying semantic
> model here seems to be simpler than email's in-reply-to/references scheme
> (a good thing IMO), perhaps some words about whether you need to list just
> the parent(s) and not the grandparent(s) would be in order. There
> were certainly differences of opinion about this in the days of RFC 822
> which RFC 2822 section 3.6.4 cleared up.
> 

I will take another look at 2822 and see if I can strike the right balance.

> That's it!
> 

Thanks again.

> 				Ned
> 
> 




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This announcement is for a document that will obsolete RFC3548, which  
is referenced by a couple APPS area RFCs:  XMPP (RFC3920) and Atom  
Syntax (RFC4287).

There are also a few drafts that reference RFC3548 that caught my eye:

  - draft-ietf-nntpext-base, which is in RFC ED queue
  -  draft-josefsson-sasl-gs2-00
  - draft-otis-dkim-options-00
  - draft-snell-atompub-author-extensions-00

thanks,
Lisa

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> From: The IESG <iesg-secretary@ietf.org>
> Date: May 18, 2006 7:51:48 AM PDT
> To: IETF-Announce <ietf-announce@ietf.org>
> Cc: Internet Architecture Board <iab@iab.org>, RFC Editor <rfc- 
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> Subject: Protocol Action: 'The Base16, Base32, and Base64 Data   
> Encodings' to Proposed Standard
>
> The IESG has approved the following document:
>
> - 'The Base16, Base32, and Base64 Data Encodings '
>    <draft-josefsson-rfc3548bis-04.txt> as a Proposed Standard
>
> This document has been reviewed in the IETF but is not the product  
> of an
> IETF Working Group.
>
> The IESG contact person is Ted Hardie.
>
> A URL of this Internet-Draft is:
> http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-josefsson-rfc3548bis-04.txt
>
> Technical Summary
>
>   This document describes the commonly used base 64, base 32, and base
>    16 encoding schemes.  It also discusses the use of line-feeds in
>    encoded data, use of padding in encoded data, use of non-alphabet
>    characters in encoded data, and use of different encoding  
> alphabets.
>    It obsoletes the descriptions in RFC 3548.
>
> Working Group Summary
>
>  This work is the product of an individual submitter.  There were  
> significant
>  IETF Last Call comments, and the draft was updated to respond to  
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> Ned Freed wrote:
> >> FYI -- this is an individual submission yet intended for Proposed
> >> Standard, so input is most welcome.
> >
> > I have a couple of comments, all minor.
> >

> Thank you for taking the time.

> >[snip]
> >   The "in-reply-to" element is used to indicate that an entry is a
> >   response to another resource. The element MUST contain either or both the
> >   "ref" and "href" attributes.
> >

> Yes, this makes sense. Also, I am changing this definition making ref
> required in all cases.

Good - I think that makes even more sense.

> > Now, I have a lot more experience with XML Schema than with Relax NG so
> > maybe I'm reading this wrong, but the Relax NG definition seems to say
> > that the source attribute can only appear when the ref attribute is present
> > and the type attribute can only appear when the href attribute is present.
> > But this isn't spelled out in the (normative) text. How about adding
> > "When the ref attribute is present" before "The 'source' attribute ..." and
> > "When the href attribute is present" before "The 'type' attribute ..."?
> >

> Yes.  I'll make the change.

> > Finally, the document seems a bit short on specifics of how the
> > in-reply-to element is actually used. Although the underlying semantic
> > model here seems to be simpler than email's in-reply-to/references scheme
> > (a good thing IMO), perhaps some words about whether you need to list just
> > the parent(s) and not the grandparent(s) would be in order. There
> > were certainly differences of opinion about this in the days of RFC 822
> > which RFC 2822 section 3.6.4 cleared up.
> >

> I will take another look at 2822 and see if I can strike the right balance.

Sounds good.

				Ned




