From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 1 12:19:00 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01076 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:19:00 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h31HgoZ12834 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:42:50 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h31HgoK12831 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:42:50 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA01049 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:18:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h31Hd8K11718; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:39:08 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h31HaoK10611 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:36:50 -0500 Received: from zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA00557 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:12:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcard309.ca.nortel.com (zcard309.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.69]) by zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.5/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h31HEsV27399 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:14:54 -0500 (EST) Received: by zcard309.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:14:54 -0500 Message-ID: <3549C09B853DD5119B540002A52CDD3406CE65F0@zcard0ka.ca.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "Disman (E-mail)" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: [Disman] Alarm MIB Updates from Area Director Review Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:14:53 -0500 hi We are making good progress on the updated Alarm MIB to incorporate the comments from Bert's area director review, and I just remembered that it was suggested that the proposed edits be sent to the mailing list for some pre-draft airing to ensure there were no issues with them. These edits were previously discussed in the meeting in San Francisco. We had hoped to get the updated draft in today, but I guess we'll wait until Thursdays now. Summary of Area Director Review Comments 1. Boilerplate 2. IANA Considerations 3. Time Passes ... Things Change 4. Data Types and Ranges 5. SMI Nits 6. Resource ID 7. Naming 8. Storage Type AD #1 - Boilerplate 1.1 New MIB boilerplate is now preferred see www.ops.ietf.org Nice thing is that it is much shorter and has far less references. 1.2 New MIB security guidelines to be followed This one is a bit more elaborate than what you 1.3 We want MIB Copyright in the MODULE-IDENTITY in the DESCRIPTION clause. See recent discussions on MIBS mailing list and in draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt 1.4 Page 4, you may want to add [RFC2119] reference to the text Proposal: Make these changes AD #1.5 - Boilerplate RFCs that contain MIB modules from which you IMPORT anything must be referenced in a normative way. I say this, because for example the new boilerplate no longer references RFC3411, but since you IMPORT from the MIB module in that doc, it should still be listed as normative reference Proposal: Make this change AD #2.1 IANA Considerations In the IANA maintained IANA-ITU-ALARM-TC mib, need text in DESCRIPTION clause the rules/guidelines for IANA on how to add/change stuff in this MIB module. Also need a (normative reference) to the IANA web site where this IANA maintained MIB module will be placed. Proposal: The IANA Considerations section contains some description, but will add text specifically to DESCRIPTION Clause. Will also add reference to IANA website. AD #2.2 IANA Considerations I would change this: DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC XXXX." ::= { mib-2 xx } Into DESCRIPTION "Initial version, published as RFC XXXX." -- RFC-Editor assigns XXXX ::= { mib-2 xx } -- to be assigned by IANA Proposal: Make this change AD #3.1 - Time passes ... Things Change Copyrights need updating. same for dates in MIB modules. Proposal: Update AD #3.2 - Time passes ... Things Change Working group mailing list has moved Needs to be updated Proposal: Update AD #4.1 - Data Types and Ranges I see: alarmModelVarbindIndex and alarmClearMaximum are Integer32 Does a negative value ever make sense? Proposal: Change to Unsigned 32 AD #4.2 - Data Types and Ranges alarmActiveEngineID is SYNTAX SnmpEngineID with a description indicating that a zero length string is possible. But SnmpEngineID, as specified in RFC3411 has a SIZE(5..32). So it cannot be a zero length string. Need either A common TC of LocalSnmpEngineOrSnmpEngineID SYNTAX OCTET STRING (SIZE (0 | 5..32)) Proposal: Create this TC AD #4.3 - Data Types and Ranges I see: alarmActiveContextName OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SnmpAdminString I wonder if it would not be (much) better to do: alarmActiveContextName OBJECT-TYPE SYNTAX SnmpAdminString (SIZE (0..32)) After all, a contextName can only have that size as far as I know. Or at least, we use that size in all the SNMP MIB modules we have created so far. Occurs in alarmClearTable also Proposal: Add range to both AD #5.1 - SMI Nits ianaItuAlarmNumbers MODULE-IDENTITY needs a REVISION clause Proposal: Add one AD #5.2 - SMI Nits I see Underscores in the IANA-ITU-ALARM-TC mib. Formally they are not allowed. Proposal: Remove them AD #5.3 - SMI Nits In the ITU-ALARM-TC module, I see references in the TC DESCRIPTION clauses. Would it not be better to use a REFERENCE clause? Proposal: Add REFERENCE clauses AD #5.4 SMI Nits SMIlint complains about groups not referenced: `ituAlarmServiceUserGroup' `ituAlarmSecurityGroup' `ituAlarmStatisticsGroup' 'alarmActiveStatsGroup' `alarmClearGroup' `alarmNotificationsGroup' Now... it is not mandatory to reference it. But see bottom of page 23 of draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt which recommends to actually list them Proposal: Still thinking about text in review guidelines; Keep as is for now AD #6 - Resource ID When I see: ResourceId ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION then I wonder... is this indeed a "resourceId" in the generic sense, or have we limited it here for the ALARM-MIB type of resources? In other words, would it maybe better to name it: AlarmResourceId ::= TEXTUAL-CONVENTION This to avoid conflict with other types of Resources? Proposal: As the intention was to create a textual convention for general use, keep the name but add some description to this effect AD #7 - Naming Would alarmItuTc MODULE-IDENTITY Be more consistent as ituAlarmTc MODULE-IDENTITY Proposal: Change it AD #8 - Storage Type I cannot find a StorageType object or any text in a DESCRIPTION clause that explains the persistency behaviour for alarmModelTable Proposal: Add description text indicating that he alarmModelTable is persistent Sharon Chisholm Portfolio Integration Nortel Networks Ottawa, Canada From mailman-admin@ietf.org Tue Apr 1 12:35:18 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id MAA02544 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:35:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h31Hx8K18497 for ; Tue, 1 Apr 2003 12:59:08 -0500 Date: Tue, 01 Apr 2003 12:59:08 -0500 Message-ID: <20030401175908.29326.74282.Mailman@www1.ietf.org> Subject: ietf.org mailing list memberships reminder From: mailman-owner@www1.ietf.org To: disman-archive@ietf.org X-No-Archive: yes X-Ack: no Sender: mailman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: mailman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: mailman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk This is a reminder, sent out once a month, about your ietf.org mailing list memberships. 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Passwords for disman-archive@lists.ietf.org: List Password // URL ---- -------- disman@ietf.org hixour https://www1.ietf.org/mailman/options/disman/disman-archive%40lists.ietf.org From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 2 15:24:09 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07617 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:24:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h32KmXL14882 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:48:33 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h32KmWK14879 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:48:32 -0500 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07609 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:23:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h32KibK14624; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:44:37 -0500 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h32KhxK14560 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:43:59 -0500 Received: from zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id PAA07027 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:19:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from zcard309.ca.nortel.com (zcard309.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.69]) by zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h32KLU721317 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:21:31 -0500 (EST) Received: by zcard309.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:21:31 -0500 Message-ID: <3549C09B853DD5119B540002A52CDD3406D611EB@zcard0ka.ca.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "Disman (E-mail)" X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Subject: [Disman] Alarm MIB Edits from Harrie's Review Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2003 15:21:27 -0500 hi In San Francisco we agreed that, even though we are long past working group last call, that it would be good to go through Harrie's detailed review of the Alarm MIB and classify his feedback into three categories: Gating; not gating, but requires discussion; and editorial. The intention being that anything truly gating should be addressed before forwarding to the IESG and that anything purely editorial could be done without slowing the progress of the document. I'll respond to Harry's email in more detail later, but we went through it and did not find anything gating. We did find some editorial changes that we think we can squeeze into tomorrow's update. I figured I'd give these a pre-airing on the list as well so we can then send the update straight into the IESG. Here goes: H1 > > 3.3.5 Identifying Resource under Alarm > > > > This MIB provides a generic method for identifying the resource by > > Which MIB?? There are 2 in this document. The use of 'This MIB' happens > also later in the document. It may be mis-leading and, therefore, > can better be specified which MIB is ment. Proposal: Clarify which MIB H2 > > sysUptime and snmpTrapOID shall always be stored in the active alarm > > 'shall always' -> 'SHALL' Proposal: Make this change H3 > > 4.1.4 Active Alarm Resource Identifier > > matched alarmModelVarbindSubtree. If no match is found, then > > alarmModelResourceId is simply the value of > > alarmModelResourcePrefix. > > 'alarmModelResourceId' -> 'alarmActiveResourceId'. Proposal: Make this change H4 > > In addition to this, the variable bindings from the Notifications > > that signal the alarm state transitions are stored in the active > > alarm table. > > 'active alarm table' -> 'active alarm variable table' Proposal: make this change H5 > > B) Consider an alarm modelled using the bgpBackwardTransition > > 'B)' -> 'C)' Proposal: Make this change H6 > A reference to the WG web-page?? As recommended in the > mib-reviewers id draft-ietf-ops-mib-review-guidelines-01.txt > (also valid for the other MODULE-IDENTITY-s) Proposal: Make this change H7 > > alarmActiveVariables OBJECT-TYPE > > DESCRIPTION > > "The number of variables in alarmActiveVariableTable for this > > alarm. Also, the number of varbinds for the notification > > associated with this alarm state." > > I believe that the part 'Also,...' makes it more unclear on the value, > since there is a difference in varbinds between V2 or V1 > trap/notification > PDU. I suggest dropping that. The table refered to, > 'alarmActiveVariableTable', > provides enough information. Proposal: Drop second sentence H8 > > alarmClearIndex OBJECT-TYPE > > SYNTAX Unsigned32 (1..4294967295) > > MAX-ACCESS not-accessible > > STATUS current > > DESCRIPTION > > "A strictly monotonically increasing integer which acts > > as the index of entries within the named alarm list. > > It wraps back to 1 after it reaches its maximum value. > > > > This object has the same value as the alarmActiveIndex that > > this alarm instance had when it was active." > > ::= { alarmClearEntry 1 } > > The value will always have the same value as the alarmActiveIndex, but I > believe that alarms will not always be cleared in the same order as they > are active. Thus the requirement of a 'strictly monotonically increasing > integer' is not usefull here (maybe even not possible). Proposal: Drop the bit about being monotonically increasing H9 > > alarmClearState NOTIFICATION-TYPE > > DESCRIPTION > > "An instance of the alarm indicated by > > alarmActiveModelPointer has been cleared against > > the entity indicated by alarmACtiveResourceId." > ^ > 'alarmACtiveResourceId' -> 'alarmActiveResourceId' Proposal: Make this change H10 > > ituAlarmActiveServiceUser OBJECT-TYPE > > DESCRIPTION > > "Represents the SericeUser object from [X.736]." > ^ > 'SericeUser' -> 'ServiceUser' Proposal: Make this change H11 > > 6.5 RMON Alarm Example > > > > alarmModelIndex 6 > > alarmModelState 2 > > alarmModelNotificationId RisingAlarm > > alarmModelVarbindIndex 0 > > alarmModelVarbindValue 0 > > alarmModelDescription "RMON Rising Alarm" > > alarmModelSpecificPointer 0.0 > > alarmModelRowStatus active (1) > > alarmModelVarbindSubtree alarmIndex > > alarmModelResourcePrefix 0.0 > > alarmModelRowStatus active (1) > > Has twice 'alarmModelRowStatus' (first need to be deleted). Proposal: Make this change Sharon Chisholm Portfolio Integration Nortel Networks Ottawa, Canada From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 7 07:13:08 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA15262 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:13:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37BHIf01359 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:17:18 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h37BHI801356 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:17:18 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA15243 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:12:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h37BFh801286; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:15:43 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h37BEB801214 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:14:11 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA14816; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 07:09:29 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200304071109.HAA14816@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: disman@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Disman] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2003 07:09:29 -0400 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-4115634.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-4115634.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 7 18:21:11 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09037 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:21:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h37MPZs18596 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:25:35 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h37MPZ818593 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:25:35 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09018 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h37MIK818275; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:18:24 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h37MHL818223 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:17:21 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA08516 for ; Mon, 7 Apr 2003 18:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h-69-3-241-211.snvacaid.covad.net ([69.3.241.211] helo=oemcomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 192etF-0006E5-00 for disman@ietf.org; Mon, 07 Apr 2003 15:14:57 -0700 Message-ID: <00ed01c2fd53$4926fd00$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: <200304071109.HAA14816@ietf.org> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] last chance on draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 15:16:06 -0700 Hi - Thanks to Sharon and Dan for posting the latest revision of the Alarm MIB internet draft. Before returning it to our AD (Bert) and the IESG, I'd like to verify that the WG is still happy with the updated document. Please take the time to read the document. Please post a message to the disman WG mailing when you have done so, and indicate whether you (still) agree that it's ready for submission as a Proposed Standard. (See RFC 2026 section 4.1.1 for details on the requirements.) Assuming no significant problems are identified, I plan to hand it to Bert on Monday, April 14, 2003. Randy Disman WG chair From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 8 14:58:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26636 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:58:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38J3Uf20035 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:03:30 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h38J3T820032 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:03:29 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26613 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:58:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h38J2d819938; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:02:39 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h38J1q819866 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 15:01:52 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id OAA26526; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 14:56:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200304081856.OAA26526@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: disman@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Disman] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 14:56:32 -0400 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Alarm Reporting Control MIB Author(s) : K. Lam, A. Huynh, D. Perkins Filename : draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2003-4-8 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP-based internets. In particular, it defines objects for controlling the reporting of alarm conditions. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-8145458.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-8145458.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 8 16:28:13 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00799 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:28:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h38KX4o27034 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:33:04 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h38KX4827031 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:33:04 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00774 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:27:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h38KWD826967; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:32:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h38KVG826891 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:31:16 -0400 Received: from mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA00661 for ; Tue, 8 Apr 2003 16:25:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from h-68-164-77-93.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.164.77.93] helo=oemcomputer) by mallard.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 192zhi-0001PM-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 08 Apr 2003 13:28:26 -0700 Message-ID: <006001c2fe0d$879df060$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: References: <200304081856.OAA26526@ietf.org> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] Last Chance: alarm report control Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 13:29:17 -0700 Hi - > Title : Alarm Reporting Control MIB > Author(s) : K. Lam, A. Huynh, D. Perkins > Filename : draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt > Pages : 14 > Date : 2003-4-8 > > This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) > for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP-based internets. > In particular, it defines objects for controlling the reporting of > alarm conditions. > > A URL for this Internet-Draft is: > http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt Since this was sent to the WG mailing list a while back, I'd like to handle this at the same time as the Alarm MIB. So, *please* take the time to read this document (it's only 14 pages!). I'd like to give this back to our AD on Monday, April 14. Please post your comments, including "this is good stuff" to the disman WG mailing list before then. The goal is to publish this as a Proposed Standard; see RFC 2026 section 4.1.1 for the requirements for this maturity level. Randy Disman WG chair From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 9 07:23:20 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22040 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:23:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h39BSV003450 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:28:31 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h39BSV803447 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:28:31 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA22033 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:22:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h39BRC803391; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:27:12 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h39BOX803207 for ; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:24:33 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA21823; Wed, 9 Apr 2003 07:18:51 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200304091118.HAA21823@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: disman@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Disman] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 07:18:51 -0400 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Alarm Reporting Control MIB Author(s) : K. Lam, A. Huynh, D. Perkins Filename : draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2003-4-8 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP-based internets. In particular, it defines objects for controlling the reporting of alarm conditions. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt". A list of Internet-Drafts directories can be found in http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html or ftp://ftp.ietf.org/ietf/1shadow-sites.txt Internet-Drafts can also be obtained by e-mail. Send a message to: mailserv@ietf.org. In the body type: "FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt". NOTE: The mail server at ietf.org can return the document in MIME-encoded form by using the "mpack" utility. To use this feature, insert the command "ENCODING mime" before the "FILE" command. To decode the response(s), you will need "munpack" or a MIME-compliant mail reader. Different MIME-compliant mail readers exhibit different behavior, especially when dealing with "multipart" MIME messages (i.e. documents which have been split up into multiple messages), so check your local documentation on how to manipulate these messages. Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-8145458.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-8145458.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 14 13:16:38 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12713 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:16:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EHONP07065 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:24:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EHOM807061 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:24:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12708 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:16:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1957bN-0003de-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:18:41 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1957bM-0003da-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:18:40 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EHNQ807001; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:23:27 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EHKi806917 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:20:44 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA12555 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:12:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1957Xq-0003c9-00 for disman@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:15:02 -0400 Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.22]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 1957Xq-0003bw-00 for disman@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:15:02 -0400 Received: from h-68-164-25-172.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.164.25.172] helo=oemcomputer) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 1957Xr-0002Db-00 for disman@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:15:03 -0700 Message-ID: <006b01c302a9$8ceee1a0$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Disman \(E-mail\)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] Alarm documents Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:16:13 -0700 Hi - REMINDER: I need your comments (even "I've read it" or "I haven't bothered to look at it") *today* on the Alarm MIB and the Alarm Report Control internet drafts. http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt Randy From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Mon Apr 14 18:45:41 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25888 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:45:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3EMrWx31272 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:53:32 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EMrW831269 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:53:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25882 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:45:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195Cjn-0005x8-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:47:43 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195Cjm-0005x4-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:47:42 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EMr3831252; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:53:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3EMm4831136 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:48:04 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA25810 for ; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:39:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195CeW-0005wR-00 for disman@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:42:16 -0400 Received: from albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.120]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195CeV-0005wO-00 for disman@ietf.org; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 18:42:15 -0400 Received: from h-68-165-65-126.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.165.65.126] helo=oemcomputer) by albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 195CeE-0001l9-00; Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:41:58 -0700 Message-ID: <000401c302d7$371a4ac0$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: , "Andy Bierman" Cc: , "Disman \(E-mail\)" References: <4.3.2.7.2.20030414124409.02463c48@fedex.cisco.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] Re: augmenting std MIBs to use TransportAddress Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 15:42:59 -0700 Hi - (I'm CC-ing the disman WG list since this thread raises questions about RFC 3014.) > Message-Id: <4.3.2.7.2.20030414124409.02463c48@fedex.cisco.com> > Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 13:04:27 -0700 > To: mreview@ops.ietf.org > From: Andy Bierman > Subject: augmenting std MIBs to use TransportAddress > Cc: kzm@cisco.com > > Hi, > > I have a couple of Cisco MIB reviews that are augmentations > of the NOTIFICATION-LOG-MIB (RFC 3014) and SNMP-TARGET-MIB > (RFC 3413). I'm having a little trouble interpreting sec > 3.1.2 of RFC 3419. These augmentations are 'replacing' > the TAddress and TDomain objects with TransportAddress > and TransportDomain objects. The objects getting replaced: > > nlmLogEntry: > nlmLogEngineTAddress TAddress > nlmLogEngineTDomain TDomain > > snmpTargetAddrEntry: > snmpTargetAddrTDomain TDomain > snmpTargetAddrTAddress TAddress > > Q1) RFC 3014 seems to imply that we should use the old objects > for existing TAddress/TDomain values and use the new objects > for new values that TAddress/TDomain doesn't cover. I think > this is broken. I am telling the MIB designer to let the > new objects override the old ones if they are set, and > use the old objects if the new ones are not set. Is this > what the last paragraph of 3.1.2 is suggesting (and I'm > just reading it wrong)? I believe that paragraph is refering to the Object Indentifier *values* defined in RFC 3419, not to the TCs. I see no reason to replace / override the objects in 3413 or 3014, and I think the text in 3419 confirms this belief. > Q2) What is the IETF plan for upgrading MIBs which use the old > TAddress/TDomain data types to use the types in RFC 3419? I think the last paragraph in 3419 3.1.2 answers this: they should continue to use the definitions from RFC 2579, along with the specific object identifier values from 3419 as needed. > thanks, > Andy > > > Randy From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 15 17:17:57 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12410 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FLQFm06667 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:26:15 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FLQF806664 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:26:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12392 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:17:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195XqP-0004nn-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:19:57 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195XqP-0004nk-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:19:57 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FLPX806607; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:25:34 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FLO3806523 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:24:03 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12296 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:15:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195XoH-0004mN-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:17:45 -0400 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195XoH-0004mC-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:17:45 -0400 Received: from h-68-164-29-254.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.164.29.254] helo=oemcomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 195XoK-0007dG-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:17:48 -0700 Message-ID: <004a01c30394$9489ae40$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Disman \(E-mail\)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] Mystery bytes in draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:18:37 -0700 Hi - There are a bunch of mysterious non-ascii bytes in the alarm MIB draft. All the places where I'd expect an ASCII form feed, there's a 0xe1. More worrisome, however, are 0xe1 bytes scattered throughout the rest of the document: 0xe1 at line 843 position 27 0xe1 at line 945 position 17 0xe1 at line 1126 position 59 0xe1 at line 1126 position 60 0xe1 at line 1126 position 61 0xe1 at line 1814 position 60 0xe1 at line 1864 position 43 0xe1 at line 1864 position 45 0xe1 at line 2179 position 4 0xe1 at line 2179 position 5 0xe1 at line 2295 position 17 0xe1 at line 2305 position 51 0xe1 at line 2364 position 31 0xe1 at line 2364 position 32 0xe1 at line 2364 position 33 0xe1 at line 2371 position 17 0xe1 at line 2507 position 17 0xe1 at line 2525 position 17 0xe1 at line 2535 position 4 0xe1 at line 2536 position 4 0xe1 at line 2537 position 4 0xe1 at line 2537 position 11 0xe1 at line 2537 position 22 0xe1 at line 2538 position 4 0xe1 at line 2541 position 4 0xe1 at line 2587 position 13 0xe1 at line 2587 position 14 0xe1 at line 2588 position 17 0xe1 at line 2600 position 7 0xe1 at line 2614 position 7 0xe1 at line 2622 position 7 0xe1 at line 2656 position 55 0xe1 at line 2793 position 7 0xe1 at line 2793 position 8 0xe1 at line 2794 position 7 0xe1 at line 2794 position 8 0xe1 at line 2795 position 7 0xe1 at line 2795 position 8 0xe1 at line 2796 position 8 0xe1 at line 2838 position 6 Randy From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 15 17:31:16 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12643 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:31:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3FLdYJ08087 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:39:34 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FLdY808084 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:39:34 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12603 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:30:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195Y3I-0004r3-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:33:16 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195Y3I-0004r0-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:33:16 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FLd3808070; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:39:03 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3FLcO808010 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:38:24 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA12584 for ; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:29:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195Y2B-0004qc-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:32:07 -0400 Received: from conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.54]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195Y2A-0004qZ-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:32:06 -0400 Received: from h-68-164-29-254.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.164.29.254] helo=oemcomputer) by conure.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 195Y2I-0005vk-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:32:14 -0700 Message-ID: <005e01c30396$911ed300$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Disman \(E-mail\)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt oddities Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 14:32:50 -0700 Hi - Some minor oddities in draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt, mostly lines too long due to superfluous trailing blanks and lots of TAB characters (0x09). line 5 too long (122 characters) (trailing spaces) line 7 too long (74 characters) (trailing spaces) 0x09 at line 8 position 65 line 59 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) line 62 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) line 72 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) line 117 too long (74 characters) (trailing spaces) line 145 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) 0x09 at line 158 position 1 0x09 at line 222 position 30 line 241 too long (78 characters) 0x09 at line 310 position 1 line 316 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) 0x09 at line 318 position 1 0x09 at line 318 position 2 0x09 at line 404 position 1 0x09 at line 405 position 1 0x09 at line 406 position 1 0x09 at line 406 position 2 0x09 at line 407 position 1 0x09 at line 410 position 1 0x09 at line 410 position 2 0x09 at line 411 position 1 0x09 at line 411 position 2 0x09 at line 413 position 1 0x09 at line 413 position 2 0x09 at line 414 position 1 0x09 at line 415 position 1 0x09 at line 415 position 2 0x09 at line 416 position 1 0x09 at line 416 position 2 0x09 at line 417 position 1 0x09 at line 417 position 2 0x09 at line 418 position 1 line 451 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) line 490 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) 0x09 at line 541 position 56 0x09 at line 558 position 35 0x09 at line 558 position 37 0x09 at line 570 position 35 0x09 at line 570 position 37 line 651 too long (78 characters) line 652 too long (79 characters) (trailing spaces) I'll assume that this (along with the missing pagination) will get fixed by the RFC editor. Randy From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 03:03:17 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA20620 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:03:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3G7BlM25053 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:11:47 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3G7Bl825050 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:11:47 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id DAA20565 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:02:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195gyr-0007AO-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:05:17 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195gyr-0007AJ-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:05:17 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3G7BD824998; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:11:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3G75U823883 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 03:05:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id CAA20482 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:56:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195gsn-00079A-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:59:01 -0400 Received: from falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.74]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195gsm-000797-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:59:01 -0400 Received: from h-68-164-21-202.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.164.21.202] helo=oemcomputer) by falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 195gss-0001cg-00; Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:59:06 -0700 Message-ID: <003801c303e5$d5cbc040$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: Cc: "Disman \(E-mail\)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] Alarm and Alarm Report Control MBs Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:00:16 -0700 Hi Bert - The only issues that have surfaced with regard to draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt and draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt are minor typographical ones. We think your comments have all been addressed, as well as the ones raised by Harrie Hazewinkel. So, as disman WG chair, I'm handing these two back to you to take to the IESG for consideration as Proposed Standards. Randy From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 06:51:15 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24833 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:51:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GAxnO08416 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:59:49 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GAxn808413 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:59:49 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24825 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:50:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kXS-0000HB-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:53:15 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kXS-0000H8-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:53:14 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GAxE808394; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:59:15 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GAuL808290 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:56:21 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24726 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kU7-0000GO-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:47 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.222.161] helo=ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kU6-0000GG-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:46 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3GAnON02388 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2R194HQD>; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550159AC14@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Randy Presuhn Cc: "Disman (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Disman] RE: Alarm and Alarm Report Control MBs Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:21 +0200 Mmm... assuming the typographical ones are the ones posted by Randy... I'd rather see those fixed... Is it too much to ask to quickly spin another rev of the docs? Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] > Sent: woensdag 16 april 2003 9:00 > To: bwijnen@lucent.com > Cc: Disman (E-mail) > Subject: Alarm and Alarm Report Control MBs > > > Hi Bert - > > The only issues that have surfaced with regard to > draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt and > draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt are minor > typographical ones. We think your comments have > all been addressed, as well as the ones raised by Harrie > Hazewinkel. > > So, as disman WG chair, I'm handing these two back > to you to take to the IESG for consideration as Proposed > Standards. > > Randy > > From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 06:53:09 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24899 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:53:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GB1hO08567 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:01:43 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GB1h808564 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:01:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24870 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:52:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kZI-0000HV-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:55:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kZI-0000HS-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:55:08 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GB1B808509; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:01:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GAuM808292 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:56:22 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24728 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:47:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kU7-0000GQ-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:47 -0400 Received: from ihemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.222.161] helo=ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kU6-0000GF-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:46 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by ihemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3GAnON02390 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2R194HQF>; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550159AC17@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Randy Presuhn , "Disman (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [Disman] draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt oddities MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:23 +0200 Although RFC-Editor can fix these... I'd rather see these things fixed in a rev 08. Is that too much to ask? Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] > Sent: dinsdag 15 april 2003 23:33 > To: Disman (E-mail) > Subject: [Disman] draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt oddities > > > Hi - > > Some minor oddities in draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt, > mostly lines too long due to superfluous trailing blanks and lots > of TAB characters (0x09). > > line 5 too long (122 characters) (trailing spaces) > line 7 too long (74 characters) (trailing spaces) > 0x09 at line 8 position 65 > line 59 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > line 62 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > line 72 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > line 117 too long (74 characters) (trailing spaces) > line 145 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > 0x09 at line 158 position 1 > 0x09 at line 222 position 30 > line 241 too long (78 characters) > 0x09 at line 310 position 1 > line 316 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > 0x09 at line 318 position 1 > 0x09 at line 318 position 2 > 0x09 at line 404 position 1 > 0x09 at line 405 position 1 > 0x09 at line 406 position 1 > 0x09 at line 406 position 2 > 0x09 at line 407 position 1 > 0x09 at line 410 position 1 > 0x09 at line 410 position 2 > 0x09 at line 411 position 1 > 0x09 at line 411 position 2 > 0x09 at line 413 position 1 > 0x09 at line 413 position 2 > 0x09 at line 414 position 1 > 0x09 at line 415 position 1 > 0x09 at line 415 position 2 > 0x09 at line 416 position 1 > 0x09 at line 416 position 2 > 0x09 at line 417 position 1 > 0x09 at line 417 position 2 > 0x09 at line 418 position 1 > line 451 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > line 490 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > 0x09 at line 541 position 56 > 0x09 at line 558 position 35 > 0x09 at line 558 position 37 > 0x09 at line 570 position 35 > 0x09 at line 570 position 37 > line 651 too long (78 characters) > line 652 too long (79 characters) (trailing spaces) > > > I'll assume that this (along with the missing pagination) will get > fixed by the RFC editor. > > Randy > > From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 06:55:09 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24990 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:55:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GB3hB08667 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:03:43 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GB3h808664 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:03:43 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24937 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:54:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kbE-0000Ho-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:57:08 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kbE-0000Hl-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:57:08 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GB32808612; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 07:03:02 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GAuQ808311 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:56:26 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA24738 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:47:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kUB-0000Gh-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:51 -0400 Received: from hoemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.226.161] helo=hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195kUB-0000GJ-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:51 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3GAnSx01842 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 06:49:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2R194HQ1>; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:23 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550159AC16@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Randy Presuhn , "Disman (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [Disman] Mystery bytes in draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:49:23 +0200 Is it too much to ask to get these fixed in a rev 11? I know it is gonna raise eyebrows..... Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] > Sent: dinsdag 15 april 2003 23:19 > To: Disman (E-mail) > Subject: [Disman] Mystery bytes in draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt > > > Hi - > > There are a bunch of mysterious non-ascii bytes in the > alarm MIB draft. All the places where I'd expect an > ASCII form feed, there's a 0xe1. More worrisome, > however, are 0xe1 bytes scattered throughout the > rest of the document: > > 0xe1 at line 843 position 27 > 0xe1 at line 945 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 59 > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 60 > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 61 > 0xe1 at line 1814 position 60 > 0xe1 at line 1864 position 43 > 0xe1 at line 1864 position 45 > 0xe1 at line 2179 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2179 position 5 > 0xe1 at line 2295 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2305 position 51 > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 31 > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 32 > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 33 > 0xe1 at line 2371 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2507 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2525 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2535 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2536 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 11 > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 22 > 0xe1 at line 2538 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2541 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2587 position 13 > 0xe1 at line 2587 position 14 > 0xe1 at line 2588 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2600 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2614 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2622 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2656 position 55 > 0xe1 at line 2793 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2793 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2794 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2794 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2795 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2795 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2796 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2838 position 6 > > Randy > > From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 08:13:09 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA26659 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:13:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GCLja14636 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:21:45 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GCLj814633 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:21:45 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA26645 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:12:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195loj-0000dE-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:15:09 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195loi-0000dB-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:15:08 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GCLF814599; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:21:15 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GCKW814552 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:20:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id IAA26603 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:11:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195lnY-0000cp-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:13:56 -0400 Received: from zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com ([47.129.242.157]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195lnY-0000ca-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:13:56 -0400 Received: from zcard309.ca.nortel.com (zcard309.ca.nortel.com [47.129.242.69]) by zcars0m9.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3GCDXn22729; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:13:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: by zcard309.ca.nortel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:13:33 -0400 Message-ID: <3549C09B853DD5119B540002A52CDD3407056239@zcard0ka.ca.nortel.com> From: "Sharon Chisholm" To: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , Randy Presuhn , "Disman (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [Disman] Mystery bytes in draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:13:31 -0400 hi My "new" computer does that for some reason. I'll spin out an 11 today without the funny characters. Sharon -----Original Message----- From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 6:49 AM To: Randy Presuhn; Disman (E-mail) Subject: RE: [Disman] Mystery bytes in draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt Is it too much to ask to get these fixed in a rev 11? I know it is gonna raise eyebrows..... Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] > Sent: dinsdag 15 april 2003 23:19 > To: Disman (E-mail) > Subject: [Disman] Mystery bytes in draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt > > > Hi - > > There are a bunch of mysterious non-ascii bytes in the > alarm MIB draft. All the places where I'd expect an > ASCII form feed, there's a 0xe1. More worrisome, > however, are 0xe1 bytes scattered throughout the > rest of the document: > > 0xe1 at line 843 position 27 > 0xe1 at line 945 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 59 > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 60 > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 61 > 0xe1 at line 1814 position 60 > 0xe1 at line 1864 position 43 > 0xe1 at line 1864 position 45 > 0xe1 at line 2179 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2179 position 5 > 0xe1 at line 2295 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2305 position 51 > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 31 > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 32 > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 33 > 0xe1 at line 2371 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2507 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2525 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2535 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2536 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 11 > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 22 > 0xe1 at line 2538 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2541 position 4 > 0xe1 at line 2587 position 13 > 0xe1 at line 2587 position 14 > 0xe1 at line 2588 position 17 > 0xe1 at line 2600 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2614 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2622 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2656 position 55 > 0xe1 at line 2793 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2793 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2794 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2794 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2795 position 7 > 0xe1 at line 2795 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2796 position 8 > 0xe1 at line 2838 position 6 > > Randy > > From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 09:22:11 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00324 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:22:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GDUnP20113 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:30:49 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GDUm820110 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:30:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00295 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:21:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195mtX-0001TF-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:24:11 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195mtW-0001TC-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:24:10 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GDUA820079; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:30:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GDTa820036 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:29:36 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id JAA00277 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:20:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195msM-0001Sz-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:22:58 -0400 Received: from hoemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.226.161] helo=hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195msL-0001Sw-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:22:58 -0400 Received: from nj7460exch002h.wins.lucent.com (h135-17-42-35.lucent.com [135.17.42.35]) by hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3GDMYS21305 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:22:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nj7460exch002h.ho.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:18:14 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Lam, Hing-Kam (Kam)" To: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" , Randy Presuhn , "Disman (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [Disman] draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt oddities MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:47:29 -0400 Hi, Thanks. I will fix these typos and upload a rev 08. Regards, Kam > -----Original Message----- > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 6:49 AM > To: Randy Presuhn; Disman (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [Disman] draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt oddities > > > Although RFC-Editor can fix these... I'd rather see > these things fixed in a rev 08. Is that too much to ask? > > Thanks, > Bert > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] > > Sent: dinsdag 15 april 2003 23:33 > > To: Disman (E-mail) > > Subject: [Disman] draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt oddities > > > > > > Hi - > > > > Some minor oddities in draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-07.txt, > > mostly lines too long due to superfluous trailing blanks and lots > > of TAB characters (0x09). > > > > line 5 too long (122 characters) (trailing spaces) > > line 7 too long (74 characters) (trailing spaces) > > 0x09 at line 8 position 65 > > line 59 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > > line 62 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > > line 72 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > > line 117 too long (74 characters) (trailing spaces) > > line 145 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > > 0x09 at line 158 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 222 position 30 > > line 241 too long (78 characters) > > 0x09 at line 310 position 1 > > line 316 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > > 0x09 at line 318 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 318 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 404 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 405 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 406 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 406 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 407 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 410 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 410 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 411 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 411 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 413 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 413 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 414 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 415 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 415 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 416 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 416 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 417 position 1 > > 0x09 at line 417 position 2 > > 0x09 at line 418 position 1 > > line 451 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > > line 490 too long (73 characters) (trailing spaces) > > 0x09 at line 541 position 56 > > 0x09 at line 558 position 35 > > 0x09 at line 558 position 37 > > 0x09 at line 570 position 35 > > 0x09 at line 570 position 37 > > line 651 too long (78 characters) > > line 652 too long (79 characters) (trailing spaces) > > > > > > I'll assume that this (along with the missing pagination) will get > > fixed by the RFC editor. > > > > Randy > > > > > From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 16 13:05:41 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08514 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:05:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3GHENP05900 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:14:23 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GHEN805897 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:14:23 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08502 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:05:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195qNo-0002fa-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:07:41 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195qNo-0002fX-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:07:40 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GHDv805881; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:13:58 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3GHCS805808 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:12:28 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id NAA08463 for ; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:03:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195qLy-0002fJ-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:05:46 -0400 Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.122]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 195qLt-0002fB-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:05:45 -0400 Received: from h-68-164-29-76.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.164.29.76] helo=oemcomputer) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 195qM2-0005sZ-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:05:50 -0700 Message-ID: <008b01c3043a$99fb3fa0$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Disman \(E-mail\)" References: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B1550159AC14@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> Subject: Re: [Disman] RE: Alarm and Alarm Report Control MBs X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:07:02 -0700 Hi Bert - > From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" > To: "Randy Presuhn" > Cc: "Disman (E-mail)" > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:49 AM > Subject: [Disman] RE: Alarm and Alarm Report Control MBs > > Mmm... assuming the typographical ones are the ones > posted by Randy... I'd rather see those fixed... > Is it too much to ask to quickly spin another rev of > the docs? ... Ok. I see the editors have already taken on the work. As soon as the IDs appear, please consider them to be on your plate. Randy From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Fri Apr 18 07:20:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08694 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:20:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3IBUDd07673 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:30:13 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3IBUD807670 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:30:13 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08675 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:20:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=ietf-mx) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196Twx-0006Pi-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:22:35 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 196Twx-0006Pe-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:22:35 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3IBTd807616; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:29:40 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3IBPD807488 for ; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:25:13 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id HAA08317; Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:15:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200304181115.HAA08317@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: disman@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Disman] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2003 07:15:10 -0400 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Alarm MIB Author(s) : S. Chisholm, D. Romascanu Filename : draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt Pages : 65 Date : 2003-4-17 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes management objects used for defining and storing alarms. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt". 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This draft is a work item of the Distributed Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Alarm Reporting Control MIB Author(s) : K. Lam, A. Huynh, D. Perkins Filename : draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-08.txt Pages : 14 Date : 2003-4-17 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in TCP/IP-based internets. In particular, it defines objects for controlling the reporting of alarm conditions. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-08.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-08.txt". 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Below is the data which will enable a MIME compliant mail reader implementation to automatically retrieve the ASCII version of the Internet-Draft. --NextPart Content-Type: Multipart/Alternative; Boundary="OtherAccess" --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; access-type="mail-server"; server="mailserv@ietf.org" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-17132051.I-D@ietf.org> ENCODING mime FILE /internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-08.txt --OtherAccess Content-Type: Message/External-body; name="draft-ietf-disman-conditionmib-08.txt"; site="ftp.ietf.org"; access-type="anon-ftp"; directory="internet-drafts" Content-Type: text/plain Content-ID: <2003-4-17132051.I-D@ietf.org> --OtherAccess-- --NextPart-- From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 23 10:22:42 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20641 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:22:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NEYkI29283 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:34:46 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NEYk829280 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:34:46 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20612 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198LAm-0004Ec-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:24:32 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198LAl-0004EY-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:24:31 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NEWa829229; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:32:36 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NEUU829108 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:30:30 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id KAA20526 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198L6e-0004Co-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:20:16 -0400 Received: from hoemail1.lucent.com ([192.11.226.161] helo=hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198L6d-0004CZ-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:20:15 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by hoemail1.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3NEK9K24622 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 10:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2R19XWHH>; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:20:08 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B155016A3894@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Sharon Chisholm , Randy Presuhn , "Disman (E-mail)" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Subject: [Disman] draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 16:20:07 +0200 Mmm... is this just me? - I see references to RFC2573 at several place. Should be RFC3413, no? - I also still see references to other RFC257x docs. They should all be 341x, no? - In the references section, it seems you still haev all the old references from the old MIB boiler plate. Is that intentional? - Have we not discussed the (missing) IPR section earlier in the process? Still need to do compile checks as well Thanks, Bert > -----Original Message----- > From: Sharon Chisholm [mailto:schishol@nortelnetworks.com] > Sent: woensdag 16 april 2003 14:14 > To: Wijnen, Bert (Bert); Randy Presuhn; Disman (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [Disman] Mystery bytes in > draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt > > > hi > > My "new" computer does that for some reason. I'll spin > out an 11 today without the funny characters. > > Sharon > > -----Original Message----- > From: Wijnen, Bert (Bert) [mailto:bwijnen@lucent.com] > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 6:49 AM > To: Randy Presuhn; Disman (E-mail) > Subject: RE: [Disman] Mystery bytes in > draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt > > > Is it too much to ask to get these fixed in a rev 11? > I know it is gonna raise eyebrows..... > > Thanks, > Bert > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] > > Sent: dinsdag 15 april 2003 23:19 > > To: Disman (E-mail) > > Subject: [Disman] Mystery bytes in > draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-10.txt > > > > > > Hi - > > > > There are a bunch of mysterious non-ascii bytes in the > > alarm MIB draft. All the places where I'd expect an > > ASCII form feed, there's a 0xe1. More worrisome, > > however, are 0xe1 bytes scattered throughout the > > rest of the document: > > > > 0xe1 at line 843 position 27 > > 0xe1 at line 945 position 17 > > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 59 > > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 60 > > 0xe1 at line 1126 position 61 > > 0xe1 at line 1814 position 60 > > 0xe1 at line 1864 position 43 > > 0xe1 at line 1864 position 45 > > 0xe1 at line 2179 position 4 > > 0xe1 at line 2179 position 5 > > 0xe1 at line 2295 position 17 > > 0xe1 at line 2305 position 51 > > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 31 > > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 32 > > 0xe1 at line 2364 position 33 > > 0xe1 at line 2371 position 17 > > 0xe1 at line 2507 position 17 > > 0xe1 at line 2525 position 17 > > 0xe1 at line 2535 position 4 > > 0xe1 at line 2536 position 4 > > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 4 > > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 11 > > 0xe1 at line 2537 position 22 > > 0xe1 at line 2538 position 4 > > 0xe1 at line 2541 position 4 > > 0xe1 at line 2587 position 13 > > 0xe1 at line 2587 position 14 > > 0xe1 at line 2588 position 17 > > 0xe1 at line 2600 position 7 > > 0xe1 at line 2614 position 7 > > 0xe1 at line 2622 position 7 > > 0xe1 at line 2656 position 55 > > 0xe1 at line 2793 position 7 > > 0xe1 at line 2793 position 8 > > 0xe1 at line 2794 position 7 > > 0xe1 at line 2794 position 8 > > 0xe1 at line 2795 position 7 > > 0xe1 at line 2795 position 8 > > 0xe1 at line 2796 position 8 > > 0xe1 at line 2838 position 6 > > > > Randy > > > > > From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 23 18:02:40 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09781 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3NM4wx03047 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:04:58 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NM4w803044 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:04:58 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id SAA09769 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:02:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198SLs-0000Ey-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:04:28 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198SLs-0000Ev-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:04:28 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NM3V802989; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:03:32 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3NM22802916 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:02:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id RAA09648 for ; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 17:59:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198SJ2-0000Dx-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:01:32 -0400 Received: from gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.84]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198SJ2-0000Du-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 18:01:32 -0400 Received: from h-68-164-23-244.snvacaid.covad.net ([68.164.23.244] helo=oemcomputer) by gull.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 198SJR-0000PR-00 for disman@ietf.org; Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:01:57 -0700 Message-ID: <003a01c309e3$b28cbd60$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Disman \(E-mail\)" References: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B155016A3894@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 Subject: [Disman] Re: draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2003 15:00:04 -0700 Hi - > From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" > To: "Sharon Chisholm" ; "Randy Presuhn" ; "Disman (E-mail)" > Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2003 7:20 AM > Subject: draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt > > Mmm... is this just me? > > - I see references to RFC2573 at several place. Should be RFC3413, no? I agree this needs to be fixed. > - I also still see references to other RFC257x docs. They should all be 341x, no? They should be fixed. > - In the references section, it seems you still haev all the old references > from the old MIB boiler plate. Is that intentional? They should be retained only where mentioned for other reasons, as in 3413 which will show up in, e.g., the diagram in section 3.2. > - Have we not discussed the (missing) IPR section earlier in the process? Yes, it's been discussed before and should be there, particularly since we already know of IPR disclosures with respect to this work's earlier versions. However, discussion with other IESG folks (cc-ing iesg@ietf.org) seemed to indicate that some things, e.g. IPR material and full copyright notices, did not need to be in the internet drafts and would be "automatically" added by the RFC editor. Now I personally think that is not a good way to do things, but I do try to abide by the IESG's decisions. As a side note, the recent discussion on the IETF list suggests that there is a major disconnect between the theory and practice of I-Ds. I think we should eather practice what we preach, or update our preaching to match our practices. > Still need to do compile checks as well Of course. Since I left BMC, I no longer have access to their tools. I'm trusting the editors to use the tools and mib-checking services available on the net. Randy From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Thu Apr 24 16:46:46 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02611 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:46:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3OKnWR09928 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:49:32 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OKnW809925 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:49:32 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02594 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:46:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198ndy-0001Am-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:48:34 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198ndx-0001Ai-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:48:33 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OKkv809812; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:46:58 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3OKjF809746 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:45:15 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA02360 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:41:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198nZp-00018p-00 for disman@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:44:17 -0400 Received: from hoemail2.lucent.com ([192.11.226.163] helo=hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 198nZo-00018G-00 for disman@ietf.org; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:44:16 -0400 Received: from nl0006exch001h.wins.lucent.com (h135-85-76-62.lucent.com [135.85.76.62]) by hoemail2.firewall.lucent.com (Switch-2.2.6/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id h3OKiC701379 for ; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 16:44:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nl0006exch001h.nl.lucent.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <2R19YT5L>; Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:44:10 +0200 Message-ID: <7D5D48D2CAA3D84C813F5B154F43B155016A3ADE@nl0006exch001u.nl.lucent.com> From: "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" To: Randy Presuhn , "Disman (E-mail)" Subject: RE: [Disman] Re: draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-11.txt MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2003 22:44:08 +0200 W.r.t. > > - Have we not discussed the (missing) IPR section earlier > > in the process? > > Yes, it's been discussed before and should be there, > particularly since we already know of IPR disclosures with > respect to this work's earlier versions. That is an extra reason to put the appropriate text into the document. I would not assume that RFC-Editor will always know (or get it right) if IPR has been claimed or not. > However, discussion with other IESG folks (cc-ing iesg@ietf.org) > seemed to indicate that some things, e.g. IPR material and full > copyright notices, did not need to be in the internet drafts > and would be "automatically" added by the RFC editor. New discussions indeed seem to be going in the direction that such things do not NEED to be in the I-D. That does not mean they are forbidden to be included in the I-D. I personally think it is still much better to have them in the document. It allows everyone to see them during WG and IETF Last Call and be reminded that if they do have IPR that they are expected (if they participated in the work)/invited (if they are just reading about it) to report it to IETF secretariat. > Now I personally think that is not a good way to do things, > but I do try to abide by the IESG's decisions. As a side note, > the recent discussion on the IETF list suggests that there is > a major disconnect between the theory and practice of I-Ds. > I think we should eather practice what we preach, > or update our preaching to match our practices. > Agreed. See my comments above though. > > Still need to do compile checks as well > > Of course. > > Since I left BMC, I no longer have access to their tools. > I'm trusting the editors to use the tools and mib-checking > services available on the net. > My SMICng syntax checking revelaed some warnings/errors. I need to check if they are serious or acceptable. Bert > Randy > > From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Tue Apr 29 16:14:28 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09017 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:14:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3TKJed19614 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:19:40 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3TKJe819611 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:19:40 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA09005 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:13:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AbWM-0007a1-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:16:10 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AbWL-0007Zx-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:16:09 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3TKBj819312; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:11:46 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3TKA2819234 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:10:02 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id QAA08700 for ; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:04:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AbN2-0007Wc-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:06:32 -0400 Received: from harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net ([207.217.120.12]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AbN1-0007WS-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 16:06:31 -0400 Received: from h-69-3-247-222.snvacaid.covad.net ([69.3.247.222] helo=oemcomputer) by harrier.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 19AbNX-0001sb-00 for disman@ietf.org; Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:07:03 -0700 Message-ID: <004901c30e8a$e4974360$7f1afea9@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Disman \(E-mail\)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: [Disman] Fw: Simple Times announcement Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 13:06:59 -0700 Hi - I believe this would be relevant and of interest to folks in the disman WG. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Harrington, David" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2003 11:50 AM Subject: FW: Simple Times announcement Hi, A new issue of the Simple Times is available. This is the SNMP related newsletter. If you think your WG might be interested, please distribute the announcement to your WG mailing list. dbh --- David Harrington dbh@enterasys.com co-chair, IETF SNMPv3 WG --------------------------------------------------- Latest issue of the Simple-Times Since there are quite some people who do not regularly visit the Simple-Times website ( http://www.simple-times.org/), we would like to announce that the latest version is from December 2002 and contains articles on: - IAB Network Management Workshop By Ran Atkinson, Extreme Networks - GetBulk Worth Fixing By Marek Malowidzki, Military Communication Institute - Net-SNMP: Old Wine in a New Wineskin? By Wes Hardaker, Network Associates, Dave Shield, Liverpool University - Evaluating MIB II (RFC1213) Implementations By Henrik E. Holland, Remco van de Meent, Aiko Pras, University of Twente - The Story Behind the SNMP Vulnerabilities By Tiina Havana, Ari Takanen, OUSPG Juergen Schoenwaelder & Aiko Pras From mailnull@www1.ietf.org Wed Apr 30 06:33:18 2003 Received: from www1.ietf.org (ietf.org [132.151.1.19] (may be forged)) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27807 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from mailnull@localhost) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) id h3UAcm703908 for disman-archive@odin.ietf.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:38:48 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3UAcm803904 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:38:48 -0400 Received: from ietf-mx (ietf-mx.ietf.org [132.151.6.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27780 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:32:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ietf-mx ([132.151.6.1]) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AovU-0005qO-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:35:00 -0400 Received: from ietf.org ([132.151.1.19] helo=www1.ietf.org) by ietf-mx with esmtp (Exim 4.12) id 19AovT-0005qL-00 for disman-web-archive@ietf.org; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:34:59 -0400 Received: from www1.ietf.org (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3UAZJ802806; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:35:19 -0400 Received: from ietf.org (odin.ietf.org [132.151.1.176]) by www1.ietf.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id h3UAYm802771 for ; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:34:48 -0400 Received: from CNRI.Reston.VA.US (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietf.org (8.9.1a/8.9.1a) with ESMTP id GAA27474; Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:28:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <200304301028.GAA27474@ietf.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed; Boundary="NextPart" To: IETF-Announce: ; Cc: disman@ietf.org From: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Reply-to: Internet-Drafts@ietf.org Subject: [Disman] I-D ACTION:draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-12.txt Sender: disman-admin@ietf.org Errors-To: disman-admin@ietf.org X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.12 Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: Distributed Management List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2003 06:28:46 -0400 --NextPart A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Management Working Group of the IETF. Title : Alarm MIB Author(s) : S. Chisholm, D. Romascanu Filename : draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-12.txt Pages : 65 Date : 2003-4-29 This memo defines a portion of the Management Information Base (MIB) for use with network management protocols in the Internet community. In particular, it describes management objects used for defining and storing alarms. A URL for this Internet-Draft is: http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-12.txt To remove yourself from the IETF Announcement list, send a message to ietf-announce-request with the word unsubscribe in the body of the message. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP. Login with the username "anonymous" and a password of your e-mail address. After logging in, type "cd internet-drafts" and then "get draft-ietf-disman-alarm-mib-12.txt". 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