From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Apr 23 05:46:31 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: disman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: disman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0903121F85E3 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:46:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-2.090, BAYES_00=-2.599, EXTRA_MPART_TYPE=1, FRT_PENIS1=3.592, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id e1ts3V2+xgnU for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:46:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com (de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.71.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379EA21F861E for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 05:46:27 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ai0FADhOlU/GmAcF/2dsb2JhbABEgkalZ4MnhXGBB4IJAQEBAQMFDQoJCAECSRACAQgNBAQBAQYBAQECBgIKCwEGAQEFEAEMAiAJCAEBBBIBBgIBGYdtC50VnH2Kd4VZYwSQGVcIiEuCTYoogmuBWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,467,1330923600"; d="jpg'145?scan'145,208,217,145";a="303142287" Received: from unknown (HELO co300216-co-erhwest.avaya.com) ([198.152.7.5]) by de307622-de-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2012 08:46:23 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by co300216-co-erhwest-out.avaya.com with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2012 08:43:59 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CD214F.16686C0A" Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 14:46:21 +0200 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Alarm Mib Thread-Index: Ac0Wmx+gvq9rdkYfQGO1cZoMyaSXswKsYskQ References: From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "April Pennisi" Cc: disman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:46:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD214F.16686C0A Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_002_01CD214F.16686C0A" ------_=_NextPart_002_01CD214F.16686C0A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi April, =20 I hope that you do not mind if I am copying the disman WG list.=20 =20 I do not remember why we skipped this value, it may just have been a miss. Maybe Sharon or Randy remember.=20 =20 In any case, according to section 5.2 in RFC 3877 this may be fixed rather easily by requesting to add one new enumerated value in the IANA maintained TC at http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaitualarmtc-mib by sending a mail to iana@iana.org.=20 =20 Regards, =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 From: April Pennisi [mailto:april.pennisi@genband.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:02 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Subject: Alarm Mib =20 Hi Dan -=20 =20 I've been working on mapping alarms from a device to appropriate probable causes defined in RFC 3877. =20 I notice there is one from M3100 missing from the list IANAItuProbableCause in the Alarm MIB. Reinitialized is missing. (It occurred to me because I'd like to use it.) =20 >From M3100: =20 lossOfRealTime ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:157 =20 -- A processing error alarm to be issued if the system detects that it has lost the time in=20 -- the real time clock but the clock itself is working. This could happen e.g. during a power=20 -- cut in a small NE which does not have battery backup for the real time clock. reinitialized ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:158 =20 -- A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has reinitialised. This will indicate=20 -- to the management systems that the view they have of the managed system may no longer=20 -- be valid. Usage example: The managed=20 -- system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity warning to inform the -- management system about the event. No clearing notification will be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:159 =20 configurationOrCustomisationError ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:160 =20 >From the Alarm MIB: lossOfRealTimel (157), --A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has --reinitialised. This will indicate --to the management systems that the view they have of the managed --system may no longer --be valid. Usage example: The managed --system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity --warning to inform the --management system about the event. No clearing notification will --be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure (158), configurationOrCustomisationError (159), =20 How can I add it? I would think we cannot now insert it, but instead add to the end of this list? As reinitialized (616)? =20 I don't know if there are ways to update these things... =20 Thx! =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_002_01CD214F.16686C0A Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi April,

 

I hope that you do not = mind if I am copying the disman WG list.

 

I do not remember why we = skipped this value, it may just have been a miss. Maybe Sharon or Randy = remember.

 

In any case, according = to section 5.2 in RFC 3877 this may be fixed rather easily by requesting = to add one new enumerated value in the IANA maintained TC at = http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaitualarmtc-mib by sending a mail to = iana@iana.org. =

 

Regards,

 

Dan

 

 

 

From:= = April Pennisi [mailto:april.pennisi@genband.com]
Sent: = Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:02 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan = (Dan)
Subject: Alarm Mib

 

Hi Dan = –

 

I’ve been working on mapping alarms from a = device to appropriate probable causes defined in RFC = 3877.

 

I notice there is one from M3100 missing from the list = IANAItuProbableCause in the Alarm MIB.  Reinitialized is missing.  = (It occurred to me because I’d like to use it.)

 

From = M3100:

 

lossOfRealTime ProbableCause ::=3D
  =
localValue:157
 
-- A processing error alarm to be issued if =
the system detects that it has lost the time in =

-- =
the real time clock but  the clock itself is working. This could =
happen e.g. during a power 
-- cut in a small NE which does not have =
battery backup for the real time =
clock.
reinitialized ProbableCause =
::=3D
  =
localValue:158
 
-- A processing error alarm to be issued after = the system has reinitialised. This will indicate = 
-- to the management systems that the view =
they have of the managed system may no longer =

-- be valid. Usage example: The managed =

-- system issues this alarm after a =
reinitialization with severity warning to inform =
the
-- management system about the event. No =
clearing notification will be =
sent.
applicationSubsystemFailure ProbableCause ::=3D
  =
localValue:159
 
configurationOrCustom=
isationError ProbableCause ::=3D =
localValue:160
 =

From the =
Alarm =
MIB:
      =
      lossOfRealTimel =
(157),
 --A processing error alarm to be issued =
after the system has
 --reinitialised.  This =
will indicate
 --to the management systems that the =
view they have of the managed
 --system may no =
longer
 --be valid.  Usage example: The =
managed
 --system issues this alarm after a =
reinitialization with severity
 --warning to inform =
the
 --management system about the event.  No =
clearing notification will
 --be =
sent.
       &nbs=
p;     applicationSubsystemFailure =
(158),
      &n=
bsp;      configurationOrCustomisationError =
(159),

 

How = can I add it?  I would think we cannot now insert it, but instead = add to the end of this list?

As = reinitialized (616)?

 

I = don’t know if there are ways to update these = things…

 

Thx!

 

 

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4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8882951211ce6890f881d351fa71de649933b5abfb079c72fda350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.35.225.150 Cc: disman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:33:50 -0000 Hi - The omission was the subject of a proposed eratum reported July 29, 2009. Section 5.2 of RFC 3877 notwithstanding, the view that prevailed at the time was: "Technically the submitter is right. However, the change cannot be made the way suggested in the Errata, but only by deprecating the object and defining a new object with correct enumerated values. This can be done only in a future version of the MIB module." This eventually concluded with a recommendation of "hold for document update." It looks like we, as a WG, may have blown it on this one. There are really two problems itentified in the original report: the missing enumeration value, and the wrong explanatory text. Both need to be fixed, and the IANA mechanism seems appropriate. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "April Pennisi" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib Hi April, I hope that you do not mind if I am copying the disman WG list. I do not remember why we skipped this value, it may just have been a miss. Maybe Sharon or Randy remember. In any case, according to section 5.2 in RFC 3877 this may be fixed rather easily by requesting to add one new enumerated value in the IANA maintained TC at http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaitualarmtc-mib by sending a mail to iana@iana.org. Regards, Dan From: April Pennisi [mailto:april.pennisi@genband.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:02 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Subject: Alarm Mib Hi Dan - I've been working on mapping alarms from a device to appropriate probable causes defined in RFC 3877. I notice there is one from M3100 missing from the list IANAItuProbableCause in the Alarm MIB. Reinitialized is missing. (It occurred to me because I'd like to use it.) >From M3100: lossOfRealTime ProbableCause ::= localValue:157 -- A processing error alarm to be issued if the system detects that it has lost the time in -- the real time clock but the clock itself is working. This could happen e.g. during a power -- cut in a small NE which does not have battery backup for the real time clock. reinitialized ProbableCause ::= localValue:158 -- A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has reinitialised. This will indicate -- to the management systems that the view they have of the managed system may no longer -- be valid. Usage example: The managed -- system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity warning to inform the -- management system about the event. No clearing notification will be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure ProbableCause ::= localValue:159 configurationOrCustomisationError ProbableCause ::= localValue:160 >From the Alarm MIB: lossOfRealTimel (157), --A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has --reinitialised. This will indicate --to the management systems that the view they have of the managed --system may no longer --be valid. Usage example: The managed --system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity --warning to inform the --management system about the event. No clearing notification will --be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure (158), configurationOrCustomisationError (159), How can I add it? I would think we cannot now insert it, but instead add to the end of this list? As reinitialized (616)? I don't know if there are ways to update these things... Thx! From dromasca@avaya.com Mon Apr 23 10:45:03 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: disman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: disman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0916E21F8759 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:45:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -101.516 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-101.516 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=-1.510, BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_PENIS1=3.592, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hnZYeUqODxWj for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com (co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com [198.152.13.100]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4CFC21F875A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:45:01 -0700 (PDT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av8EACSUlU+HCzI1/2dsb2JhbABEsVGBB4IJAQEBAQMSChEDSQwEAgEIDQQEAQELBgwLAQYBRQkIAQEEARIIARmHbQudPJ0vineFdWMEiC+TYYoogmuBWg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.75,468,1330923600"; d="scan'208,217";a="343848765" Received: from unknown (HELO p-us1-erheast.us1.avaya.com) ([135.11.50.53]) by co300216-co-outbound.net.avaya.com with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2012 13:44:41 -0400 Received: from unknown (HELO 307622ANEX5.global.avaya.com) ([135.64.140.13]) by p-us1-erheast-out.us1.avaya.com with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2012 13:28:16 -0400 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01CD2178.CD2F0BAC" Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 19:40:16 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [Disman] Alarm Mib Thread-Index: Ac0hdz2z+6yVk8xsRbm7Ohkjeqgq2AAAOeM6 References: <009c01cd2177$6d2e7b40$6b01a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Randy Presuhn" , "April Pennisi" Cc: disman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:45:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD2178.CD2F0BAC Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, yes, the resolution proposed to the errata was correct if we are = to align the values of the enumeration in the TC and M3100 - for this we = would need to deprecate the TC and define a new one - same with the = object(s) using the TC.=20 However, if we just want to add the missing value for reinitialize as = April suggests and fix the comment which is obviously wrong I believe = that the IANA mechanism would work.=20 Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] Sent: Mon 4/23/2012 8:35 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); April Pennisi Cc: disman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib =20 Hi - The omission was the subject of a proposed eratum reported July 29, = 2009. Section 5.2 of RFC 3877 notwithstanding, the view that prevailed at the = time was: "Technically the submitter is right. However, the change cannot be = made the way suggested in the Errata, but only by deprecating the object = and defining a new object with correct enumerated values. This can be = done only in a future version of the MIB module." This eventually concluded with a recommendation of "hold for document = update." It looks like we, as a WG, may have blown it on this one. There are = really two problems itentified in the original report: the missing enumeration = value, and the wrong explanatory text. Both need to be fixed, and the IANA = mechanism seems appropriate. Randy ----- Original Message -----=20 From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "April Pennisi" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib Hi April, =20 I hope that you do not mind if I am copying the disman WG list.=20 =20 I do not remember why we skipped this value, it may just have been a miss. Maybe Sharon or Randy remember.=20 =20 In any case, according to section 5.2 in RFC 3877 this may be fixed rather easily by requesting to add one new enumerated value in the IANA maintained TC at http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaitualarmtc-mib by sending a mail to iana@iana.org.=20 =20 Regards, =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 From: April Pennisi [mailto:april.pennisi@genband.com]=20 Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:02 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Subject: Alarm Mib =20 Hi Dan -=20 =20 I've been working on mapping alarms from a device to appropriate probable causes defined in RFC 3877. =20 I notice there is one from M3100 missing from the list IANAItuProbableCause in the Alarm MIB. Reinitialized is missing. (It occurred to me because I'd like to use it.) =20 >From M3100: =20 lossOfRealTime ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:157 =20 -- A processing error alarm to be issued if the system detects that it has lost the time in=20 -- the real time clock but the clock itself is working. This could happen e.g. during a power=20 -- cut in a small NE which does not have battery backup for the real time clock. reinitialized ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:158 =20 -- A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has reinitialised. This will indicate=20 -- to the management systems that the view they have of the managed system may no longer=20 -- be valid. Usage example: The managed=20 -- system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity warning to inform the -- management system about the event. No clearing notification will be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:159 =20 configurationOrCustomisationError ProbableCause ::=3D localValue:160 =20 >From the Alarm MIB: lossOfRealTimel (157), --A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has --reinitialised. This will indicate --to the management systems that the view they have of the managed --system may no longer --be valid. Usage example: The managed --system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity --warning to inform the --management system about the event. No clearing notification will --be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure (158), configurationOrCustomisationError (159), =20 How can I add it? I would think we cannot now insert it, but instead add to the end of this list? As reinitialized (616)? =20 I don't know if there are ways to update these things... =20 Thx! =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01CD2178.CD2F0BAC Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable RE: [Disman] Alarm Mib

Well, yes, the resolution proposed to the errata was = correct if we are to align the values of the enumeration in the TC and = M3100 - for this we would need to deprecate the TC and define a new one = - same with the object(s) using the TC.

However, if we just want to add the missing value for reinitialize as = April suggests and fix the comment which is obviously wrong I believe = that the IANA mechanism would work.

Regards,

Dan



-----Original Message-----
From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspr= ing.com]
Sent: Mon 4/23/2012 8:35 PM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); April Pennisi
Cc: disman@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib

Hi -

The omission was the subject of a proposed eratum reported July 29, = 2009.
Section 5.2 of RFC 3877 notwithstanding, the view that prevailed at the = time was:
  "Technically the submitter is right. However, the change = cannot be made
    the way suggested in the Errata, but only by = deprecating the object and
    defining a new object with correct enumerated values. = This can be done
    only in a future version of the MIB module."

This eventually concluded with a recommendation of "hold for = document update."

It looks like we, as a WG, may have blown it on this one.  There = are really
two problems itentified in the original report: the missing enumeration = value,
and the wrong explanatory text.  Both need to be fixed, and the = IANA mechanism
seems appropriate.

Randy

----- Original Message -----
From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" <dromasca@avaya.com>
To: "April Pennisi" <april.pennisi@genband.com>
Cc: <disman@ietf.org>
Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:46 AM
Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib


Hi April,



I hope that you do not mind if I am copying the disman WG list.



I do not remember why we skipped this value, it may just have been a
miss. Maybe Sharon or Randy remember.



In any case, according to section 5.2 in RFC 3877 this may be fixed
rather easily by requesting to add one new enumerated value in the = IANA
maintained TC at http://www.ia= na.org/assignments/ianaitualarmtc-mib by
sending a mail to iana@iana.org.



Regards,



Dan







From: April Pennisi [mailto:april.pennisi@genband.co= m]
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:02 AM
To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan)
Subject: Alarm Mib



Hi Dan -



I've been working on mapping alarms from a device to appropriate
probable causes defined in RFC 3877.



I notice there is one from M3100 missing from the list
IANAItuProbableCause in the Alarm MIB.  Reinitialized is = missing.  (It
occurred to me because I'd like to use it.)



>From M3100:



lossOfRealTime ProbableCause
<http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/formal-language/itu-t/x/x721/1992/Attribute-= AS
N1Module.html#Attribute-ASN1Module.ProbableCause>  ::=3D
  localValue:157

-- A processing error alarm to be issued if the system detects that = it
has lost the time in
-- the real time clock but  the clock itself is working. This = could
happen e.g. during a power
-- cut in a small NE which does not have battery backup for the real
time clock.
reinitialized ProbableCause
<http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/formal-language/itu-t/x/x721/1992/Attribute-= AS
N1Module.html#Attribute-ASN1Module.ProbableCause>  ::=3D
  localValue:158

-- A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has
reinitialised. This will indicate
-- to the management systems that the view they have of the managed
system may no longer
-- be valid. Usage example: The managed
-- system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity
warning to inform the
-- management system about the event. No clearing notification will = be
sent.
applicationSubsystemFailure ProbableCause
<http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/formal-language/itu-t/x/x721/1992/Attribute-= AS
N1Module.html#Attribute-ASN1Module.ProbableCause>  ::=3D
  localValue:159

configurationOrCustomisationError ProbableCause
<http://www.itu.int/ITU-T/formal-language/itu-t/x/x721/1992/Attribute-= AS
N1Module.html#Attribute-ASN1Module.ProbableCause>  ::=3D = localValue:160

>From the Alarm MIB:
            = lossOfRealTimel (157),
 --A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has
 --reinitialised.  This will indicate
 --to the management systems that the view they have of the = managed
 --system may no longer
 --be valid.  Usage example: The managed
 --system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with = severity
 --warning to inform the
 --management system about the event.  No clearing = notification will
 --be sent.
             = applicationSubsystemFailure (158),
             = configurationOrCustomisationError (159),



How can I add it?  I would think we cannot now insert it, but = instead
add to the end of this list?

As reinitialized (616)?



I don't know if there are ways to update these things...



Thx!

------_=_NextPart_001_01CD2178.CD2F0BAC-- From randy_presuhn@mindspring.com Mon Apr 23 10:48:59 2012 Return-Path: X-Original-To: disman@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: disman@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C37E721F8766 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:48:59 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.263 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.263 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=0.745, BAYES_00=-2.599, FRT_PENIS1=3.592, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([12.22.58.30]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3bHeJBdHDMVg for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:48:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net (elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net [209.86.89.67]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF38521F8763 for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:48:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=dk20050327; d=mindspring.com; b=H+oCbsPX4rAV6Fy0Eqanl7ZICF1lBY832FCNtYnxQP4o0phXPp0XFAl0EKM1AK9U; h=Received:Message-ID:From:To:Cc:References:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:x-mimeole:X-ELNK-Trace:X-Originating-IP; Received: from [99.35.225.150] (helo=oemcomputer) by elasmtp-scoter.atl.sa.earthlink.net with esmtpa (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from ) id 1SMNNh-0001uX-KS; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:48:57 -0400 Message-ID: <00e701cd2179$8e9066c0$6b01a8c0@oemcomputer> From: "Randy Presuhn" To: "Romascanu, Dan \(Dan\)" , "April Pennisi" References: <009c01cd2177$6d2e7b40$6b01a8c0@oemcomputer> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 10:50:21 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1478 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1478 X-ELNK-Trace: 4488c18417c9426da92b9037bc8bcf44d4c20f6b8d69d8882951211ce6890f882f430eeffe5526c3b43825bc78452966350badd9bab72f9c350badd9bab72f9c X-Originating-IP: 99.35.225.150 Cc: disman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib X-BeenThere: disman@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Management List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 17:48:59 -0000 Hi - Now, as then, I see no great need for aligning the values, as long as there is an obvious mapping between them. I agree that the IANA mechanism seems like the right way to go. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "Randy Presuhn" ; "April Pennisi" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: RE: [Disman] Alarm Mib Well, yes, the resolution proposed to the errata was correct if we are to align the values of the enumeration in the TC and M3100 - for this we would need to deprecate the TC and define a new one - same with the object(s) using the TC. However, if we just want to add the missing value for reinitialize as April suggests and fix the comment which is obviously wrong I believe that the IANA mechanism would work. Regards, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Randy Presuhn [mailto:randy_presuhn@mindspring.com] Sent: Mon 4/23/2012 8:35 PM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan); April Pennisi Cc: disman@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib Hi - The omission was the subject of a proposed eratum reported July 29, 2009. Section 5.2 of RFC 3877 notwithstanding, the view that prevailed at the time was: "Technically the submitter is right. However, the change cannot be made the way suggested in the Errata, but only by deprecating the object and defining a new object with correct enumerated values. This can be done only in a future version of the MIB module." This eventually concluded with a recommendation of "hold for document update." It looks like we, as a WG, may have blown it on this one. There are really two problems itentified in the original report: the missing enumeration value, and the wrong explanatory text. Both need to be fixed, and the IANA mechanism seems appropriate. Randy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Romascanu, Dan (Dan)" To: "April Pennisi" Cc: Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [Disman] Alarm Mib Hi April, I hope that you do not mind if I am copying the disman WG list. I do not remember why we skipped this value, it may just have been a miss. Maybe Sharon or Randy remember. In any case, according to section 5.2 in RFC 3877 this may be fixed rather easily by requesting to add one new enumerated value in the IANA maintained TC at http://www.iana.org/assignments/ianaitualarmtc-mib by sending a mail to iana@iana.org. Regards, Dan From: April Pennisi [mailto:april.pennisi@genband.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 1:02 AM To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) Subject: Alarm Mib Hi Dan - I've been working on mapping alarms from a device to appropriate probable causes defined in RFC 3877. I notice there is one from M3100 missing from the list IANAItuProbableCause in the Alarm MIB. Reinitialized is missing. (It occurred to me because I'd like to use it.) >From M3100: lossOfRealTime ProbableCause ::= localValue:157 -- A processing error alarm to be issued if the system detects that it has lost the time in -- the real time clock but the clock itself is working. This could happen e.g. during a power -- cut in a small NE which does not have battery backup for the real time clock. reinitialized ProbableCause ::= localValue:158 -- A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has reinitialised. This will indicate -- to the management systems that the view they have of the managed system may no longer -- be valid. Usage example: The managed -- system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity warning to inform the -- management system about the event. No clearing notification will be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure ProbableCause ::= localValue:159 configurationOrCustomisationError ProbableCause ::= localValue:160 >From the Alarm MIB: lossOfRealTimel (157), --A processing error alarm to be issued after the system has --reinitialised. This will indicate --to the management systems that the view they have of the managed --system may no longer --be valid. Usage example: The managed --system issues this alarm after a reinitialization with severity --warning to inform the --management system about the event. No clearing notification will --be sent. applicationSubsystemFailure (158), configurationOrCustomisationError (159), How can I add it? I would think we cannot now insert it, but instead add to the end of this list? As reinitialized (616)? I don't know if there are ways to update these things... Thx!