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Hello,

I support adoption.

I have read the draft.  It works a little bit like the Update 
Notifications, but it covers more cases. I have some clarification 
questions that I will send later.

Alex


Le 25/11/2015 17:02, Dapeng Liu a écrit :
> Hello all,
>
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03>:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>
> Thanks,
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I support this draft.

Let me ask: will it be possible for the LMA to send BAcks in an 
unsolicited manner?

Alex


Le 25/11/2015 17:02, Dapeng Liu a écrit :
> Hello all,
>
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>
>
> Thanks,
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng&Jouni
>
>
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Dear all,

I have read this draft about MIPv6 and support the its adoption.

Best regards,
Naoki

2015-11-26 1:02 GMT+09:00 Dapeng Liu <maxpassion@gmail.com>:

> Hello all,
>
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>  draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03>:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to confirm
> the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>
> Thanks,
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng&Jouni
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>I have read this draft about =
MIPv6 and support the its adoption.</div><div><br></div><div>Best regards,<=
/div><div>Naoki</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">2015-11-26 1:02 GMT+09:00 Dapeng Liu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:maxpassion@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">maxpassion@gmail.com</a=
>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8=
ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"color:rgb(33=
,33,33);line-height:1.7">Hello all,</span><div><div style=3D"clear:both"><s=
pan style=3D"line-height:1.7"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><s=
pan style=3D"line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"text-align:justify;line=
-height:1.666">In IETF94, we initiated
the call for adoption for the draft:</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both">=
<span style=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"=
text-align:justify;line-height:1.666">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://tools.=
ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" style=3D"text-align:justify;line-h=
eight:1.7;color:rgb(0,0,221);border-bottom-width:0px;background-color:inher=
it" target=3D"_blank">draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03</a><span style=3D"text-alig=
n:justify;line-height:1.7">: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/dr=
aft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft=
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=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1=
.666">Seems have got sufficient support during
the meeting. We&#39;d like to confirm the call for adoption in
the mailing list for 2 weeks.</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Please =
send your opinion and comments to
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le=3D"line-height:1.666"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Thanks,=
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ar:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-heigh=
t:1.666">Best Regards,</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D=
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Hi Alex,

The PBAs are only in response to the PBUs. If the parameters need to be
sent from the LMA to the MAG in an unsolicited manner to override
previously assigned values, then they could be included in Update
Notification message per RFC 7077. Is that what you intended to ask?
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Dhananjay



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Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
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>I support this draft.
>
>Let me ask: will it be possible for the LMA to send BAcks in an
>unsolicited manner?
>
>Alex
>
>
>Le 25/11/2015 17:02, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params:
>>=20
>>http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>>
>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ------
>> Best Regards,
>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ------
>> Best Regards,
>> Dapeng Liu
>>
>>
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Yes, that's what I intended to ask.

Alex

Le 01/12/2015 15:59, Dhananjay Patki (dhpatki) a écrit :
> Hi Alex,
>
> The PBAs are only in response to the PBUs. If the parameters need to be
> sent from the LMA to the MAG in an unsolicited manner to override
> previously assigned values, then they could be included in Update
> Notification message per RFC 7077. Is that what you intended to ask?
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> -----Original Message-----
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> Date: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 8:19 pm
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> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
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>> I support this draft.
>>
>> Let me ask: will it be possible for the LMA to send BAcks in an
>> unsolicited manner?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> Le 25/11/2015 17:02, Dapeng Liu a écrit :
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params:
>>>
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
>>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>>>
>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ------
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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Hi Jong-Hyouk,

On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Jong-Hyouk Lee <jonghyouk@gmail.com> wrot=
e:
> Hi all
>
> I support the adoption of this draft as a WG draft even with the concerns
> pointed by Mingui. This draft has a merit of the introduction of the gene=
ric
> protocol extension allowing a multihomed MAG

No, the extension is for the RG, i.e. Residential Gateway which is a
broadband or fixed network element.


> to register more than one PCoA
> to the LMA. It is definitely useful for a multihomed environment.

Why would a MAG be multihomed? I am not aware of any proposals that
e..g  the serving gateway in 3GPP network where MAG is placed should
be multihomed.


Regards,
Behcet
>  Authors
> may update this draft to address Mingui=E2=80=99s comments if needed.
>
> J.
> --
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> Protocol Engineering Lab., Sangmyung University
>
> #email: jonghyouk@gmail.com
> #webpage: https://sites.google.com/site/hurryon
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> On Nov 26, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Mingui Zhang <zhangmingui@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I remember it was suggested to remove DSL, =E2=80=9CHybrid Access=E2=80=
=9D, etc, and the
> suggestion was acknowledged. We haven=E2=80=99t seen an updated version y=
et. It is
> not ready to be adopted, I think.
>
> I have read the draft. I found the scope greatly shrinked from the 01 to =
02.
> I guess the draft wants to fight through by providing a more generic
> protocol extension, while awaiting for real use cases. And, Hybrid Access
> could be treated as a potential use case (Actually, the DSL+LTE scenario =
is
> now intentionally inherited from the 00 version as a use case.).  If I gu=
ess
> right, I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s a good starting point since it =
only covers a
> fragment of a possible solution. Besides the care of addresses, there are
> many other gaps that have not been touched: per-packet traffic
> classification and recombination, performance measurement, the bypass
> requirement, etc. From the draft, we cannot figure out a clear architectu=
ral
> overview. Section 3 doesn=E2=80=99t help much.
>
> Hence, I oppose its adoption.
>
> Thanks,
> Mingui
>
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu
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> To: dmm
> Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
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> Hello all,
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> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to confir=
m
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>
>
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Folks,

This mail starts two week WGLC for the I-D:
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As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this document.=20

- jouni

Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos..

> Dapeng Liu <maxpassion@gmail.com> kirjoitti 25.11.2015 kello 8.02:
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> Hello all,
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> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>  draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03:  http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnpr=
enum-03
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to confirm=
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> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>=20
> Thanks,
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng&Jouni
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<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this document.&nbsp;</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">- jouni<br><br>Sent from a smart phone.. Mind the typos..</div><div><br>Dapeng Liu &lt;<a href="mailto:maxpassion@gmail.com">maxpassion@gmail.com</a>&gt; kirjoitti 25.11.2015 kello 8.02:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><span style="color:rgb(33,33,33);line-height:1.7">Hello all,</span><div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.7"><br></span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.7"></span><span style="text-align:justify;line-height:1.666">In IETF94, we initiated
the call for adoption for the draft:</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="text-align:justify;line-height:1.666"></span><span style="text-align:justify;line-height:1.666">&nbsp;</span><a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" style="text-align:justify;line-height:1.7;color:rgb(0,0,221);border-bottom-width:0px;background-color:inherit" target="_blank">draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03</a><span style="text-align:justify;line-height:1.7">: &nbsp;<a href="http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" target="_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03</a></span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="text-align:justify;line-height:1.7"></span><span style="line-height:1.666">Seems have got sufficient support during
the meeting. We'd like to confirm the call for adoption in
the mailing list for 2 weeks.</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.666"></span><span style="line-height:1.666">Please send your opinion and comments to
the list before December 9.</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.666"><br></span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.666"></span><span style="line-height:1.666">Thanks,</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.666"></span><span style="line-height:1.666">------</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.666"></span><span style="line-height:1.666">Best Regards,</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="line-height:1.666"></span><span style="line-height:1.666">Dapeng&amp;Jouni</span></div><div style="clear:both"><span style="font-family:'Microsoft Yahei';font-size:13px;color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><blockquote></blockquote><div><br></div></div>
<br><br><br>-- <br><br>------<br>Best Regards,<br>Dapeng Liu<br>
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As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D. MCoA is 
a feature that we still lack..

The document itself still needs quite a bit of work. For example, I 
wonder if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option 
fiels descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple 
small nits like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly 
editorials. I have no problem with the technical solution.

- Jouni



11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:
> Hello all,
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> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
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Hi=EF=BC=8Call.

I support this draft as a solution for the HNP renumbering.

Thank you!

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=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] =
=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 Dapeng Liu
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2015=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8826=E6=97=A5 0:03
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=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: =
draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03

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Hello all,

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In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:

  <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03> =
draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03:  =
http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03

Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to =
confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.

Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.

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Thanks,

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Dapeng&Jouni

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D'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><div =
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0cm 0cm'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] =
</span><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=E4=BB=A3=E8=A1=A8 =
</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Dapeng =
Liu<br></span><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></span></b><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> 2015</span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>=E5=B9=B4<span =
lang=3DEN-US>11</span>=E6=9C=88<span =
lang=3DEN-US>26</span>=E6=97=A5<span lang=3DEN-US> =
0:03<br></span><b>=E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA<span =
lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span lang=3DEN-US> =
dmm<br></span><b>=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98<span lang=3DEN-US>:</span></b><span =
lang=3DEN-US> [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: =
draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03<o:p></o:p></span></span></p></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US style=3D'color:#212121'>Hello =
all,</span><span lang=3DEN-US><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>In IETF94, we initiated the call =
for adoption for the draft:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>&nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" =
target=3D"_blank"><span =
style=3D'color:#0000DD'>draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03</span></a>: &nbsp;<a =
href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" =
target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03</a=
><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd =
like to confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 =
weeks.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Please send your opinion and comments to the list before =
December 9.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Thanks,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>------<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US>Best =
Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US>Dapeng&amp;Jouni<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
lang=3DEN-US><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US><br><br><br>-- =
<br><br>------<br>Best Regards,<br>Dapeng =
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Hi,

I have read draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params and support it.

>From my point of view, this document would allow in-band device management,=
 which can facilitate deployment of PMIP based architecture. Moreover, this=
 option could be used together with notification messages, and possibly flo=
w policy in-band provisioning, for a full and complete device management fr=
amework.

Just a question and an editorial suggestion (only suggestion :-):=20

In section 4.1, it is stated many times " When this flag on the mobile acce=
ss gateway is set to a value of
      (1), the local mobility anchor SHOULD include this sub-option in
      the Proxy Binding Acknowledge messages that it sends to the mobile
      access gateway; otherwise, it SHOULD NOT include..."

is it SHOULD NOT, or MUST NOT? If it is SHOULD NOT, the MAG must be able to=
 ignore unknown options; maybe to be added in section 5.2?

I'd suggest the following rewording:

-------- OLD TEXT ---------

The
   option can be included in Proxy Binding Acknowledgement (PBA) message
   only, and there MUST NOT be more than a single instance of this
   mobility option in a mobility message.

----------- NEW TEXT -------

Only Proxy Binding Acknowledgement (PBA) message can piggyback this option
  , and there MUST NOT be more than a single instance of this
   mobility option in a mobility message.

--------------

BR,
Pierrick

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> The DMM WG has placed draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params in
> state Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Jouni Korhonen)
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(I haven't paid close attention to the list, so apologies if I'm raising ol=
d issues.)

1. Was the term "Nomadic" discussed? To me, a nomadic thing moves around, b=
ut in this draft, Nomadic IP addresses do not move around; they are replace=
d. "Ephemeral IP Address" might convey the idea more clearly.

2. I know this is really picky, but it wouldn't hurt to spell out "REQUIRE"=
 in IPV6_REQ_FIXED_IP etc.
 - IPV6_REQUIRE_FIXED_IP in parallel with IPV6_PREFER_SRC_PUBLIC

3. There is a "TDB" in section 3.4. "TBD: Disallow this case?"  This needs =
to be resolved. I suggest the most restrictive flag applies.

4. Must resolve "Application of this solution to IPv4 is TBD."=20
 - clearly the socket option is IPV6_something, but...
 - there is uncharted territory surrounding IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses (htt=
ps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291#section-2.5.5.2 ), when socket option IPV6=
_V6ONLY is false.
 - I think the goal should be that the API *does* apply to IPv4 via IPv4-ma=
pped-IPv6 addresses, while acknowledging that the operating system or netwo=
rk may not be able to fulfill the request.
    - I.e., permit the application to request constraints on IPv4, but also=
 expect the application to try for a relaxed address if the initial request=
 fails.
 - I see no need to support the API with AF_INET sockets, since AF_INET6 ca=
n be used with IPV6_ONLY=3Dfalse and IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses.

5. The error codes are not clearly defined. What is the errno for failure o=
f setsockopt() and others?

6. I'm unclear on when the on-demand resolution occurs? I don't think it ca=
n be done at the time of setsockopt(); as I understand it, the addresses ar=
e resolved later, at connect() or listen(). I'm not sure about this, but it=
 should be explained. If the resolution is done at connect() time, is a new=
 errno required?

7. Some socket interfaces are not mentioned. What about sendto(), sendmsg()=
, which are not connection-oriented?

8. In section 4.1, support for legacy applications does not really say how =
to support legacy applications.
 - my opinion: the default (lacking new socket options) should be to requir=
e Fixed for listen() and Sustained for connect(), and Nomadic/Ephemeral for=
 non-connected datagrams.



-Dave




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From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen
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Subject: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01

Folks,

This mail starts two week WGLC for the I-D:
	https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01

The WGLC ends 12/15/2015.

Provide your reviews and comments to the mailing list. For the better=20
tracking of issues and proposed changed use the Issue Tracker to submit=20
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Hi Pierrick,

I hope you know how to read.
 I said noone so far said SGW should be multihomed, i.e. it should
send some of its traffic to fixed network.

In fact multihomed is wrong here as it is used for the hosts while we
are talking here about SGW or RG which have LAN and WAN side
interfaces.

I believe this draft is not ready for adoption.

Regards,

Behcet

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:21 AM,  <pierrick.seite@orange.com> wrote:
> Hi Behcet,
>
> This extension is for any use-case requiring a MAG to be multihomed. For =
sure,  multihomed RG can be one of them, but there is no reason to restrict=
 MCoA to this use-case.
>
> Pierrick
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet Sarikaya
>> Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 1 d=C3=A9cembre 2015 18:18
>> =C3=80 : Jong-Hyouk Lee
>> Cc : dmm
>> Objet : Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-mul=
tihoming-
>> 02
>>
>> Hi Jong-Hyouk,
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Jong-Hyouk Lee <jonghyouk@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > Hi all
>> >
>> > I support the adoption of this draft as a WG draft even with the
>> > concerns pointed by Mingui. This draft has a merit of the introduction
>> > of the generic protocol extension allowing a multihomed MAG
>>
>> No, the extension is for the RG, i.e. Residential Gateway which is a bro=
adband or
>> fixed network element.
>>
>>
>> > to register more than one PCoA
>> > to the LMA. It is definitely useful for a multihomed environment.
>>
>> Why would a MAG be multihomed? I am not aware of any proposals that e..g=
  the
>> serving gateway in 3GPP network where MAG is placed should be multihomed=
.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Behcet
>> >  Authors
>> > may update this draft to address Mingui=E2=80=99s comments if needed.
>> >
>> > J.
>> > --
>> > Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random
>> > Protocol Engineering Lab., Sangmyung University
>> >
>> > #email: jonghyouk@gmail.com
>> > #webpage: https://sites.google.com/site/hurryon
>> >
>> > On Nov 26, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Mingui Zhang <zhangmingui@huawei.com> wro=
te:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I remember it was suggested to remove DSL, =E2=80=9CHybrid Access=E2=
=80=9D, etc, and
>> > the suggestion was acknowledged. We haven=E2=80=99t seen an updated ve=
rsion
>> > yet. It is not ready to be adopted, I think.
>> >
>> > I have read the draft. I found the scope greatly shrinked from the 01 =
to 02.
>> > I guess the draft wants to fight through by providing a more generic
>> > protocol extension, while awaiting for real use cases. And, Hybrid
>> > Access could be treated as a potential use case (Actually, the DSL+LTE
>> > scenario is now intentionally inherited from the 00 version as a use
>> > case.).  If I guess right, I don=E2=80=99t think it=E2=80=99s a good s=
tarting point
>> > since it only covers a fragment of a possible solution. Besides the
>> > care of addresses, there are many other gaps that have not been
>> > touched: per-packet traffic classification and recombination,
>> > performance measurement, the bypass requirement, etc. From the draft,
>> > we cannot figure out a clear architectural overview. Section 3 doesn=
=E2=80=99t help much.
>> >
>> > Hence, I oppose its adoption.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Mingui
>> >
>> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu
>> > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:22 AM
>> > To: dmm
>> > Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
>> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> >
>> > Hello all,
>> >
>> > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02:
>> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>> > confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>> > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > ------
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Dapeng&Jouni
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > ------
>> > Best Regards,
>> > Dapeng Liu
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I support the adoption of draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming as. WG document.=20

The ability for the MAG to register multiple transport end points with the =
LMA is a basic protocol semantic. How a system architecture uses this exten=
sion is a deployment consideration.

Sri



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Hi Jouni,


On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D. MCoA is a
> feature that we still lack..
>

Are you sure?

MCoA is solved in Netext Flow Mobility draft,

draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14

is the latest draft.

BTW there was an issue in WG adoption call in IETF 93 in Yokohama. The
chair asked only those who accept. The chair unfortunately did not ask
those who oppose.

As you know, if the chair wishes to ask a single question then the
right one is any opposes.

Regards,

Behcet
> The document itself still needs quite a bit of work. For example, I wonder
> if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option fiels
> descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple small nits
> like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly editorials. I have
> no problem with the technical solution.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>
> 11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ------
>> Best Regards,
>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ------
>> Best Regards,
>> Dapeng Liu
>>
>>
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Behcet,

12/2/2015, 11:02 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni,
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D. MCoA is a
>> feature that we still lack..
>>
>
> Are you sure?
>
> MCoA is solved in Netext Flow Mobility draft,
>
> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14
>
> is the latest draft.

Sorry for my improper wording regarding which part of the MCoA I meant. 
I don't see how draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14 would handle the 
case of registration when the Proxy-CoAs are from the same MAG. The 
netext draft specifically states Proxy-CoAs are from different MAGs.

But it was a good thing you brought this up. The two I-Ds need to be in 
sync.

>
> BTW there was an issue in WG adoption call in IETF 93 in Yokohama. The

IETF 94 I presume.. AFAIR we did not ask for adoption in IETF 93.

> chair asked only those who accept. The chair unfortunately did not ask
> those who oppose.
>
> As you know, if the chair wishes to ask a single question then the
> right one is any opposes.

Obviously you are right here but I cannot really comment on this what 
happened in Yokohama since I was not on site or not even participating 
remotely.

Anyway, all adoption calls are confirmed on the mailing list and the 
"sense of the room" during the meeting merely serves as informative 
quidance for chairs.

- Jouni

>
> Regards,
>
> Behcet
>> The document itself still needs quite a bit of work. For example, I wonder
>> if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option fiels
>> descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple small nits
>> like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly editorials. I have
>> no problem with the technical solution.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>>
>> 11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:
>>>
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ------
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ------
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>
>>>
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Hi Jouni,

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Behcet,
>
> 12/2/2015, 11:02 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>
>> Hi Jouni,
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D. MCoA is
>>> a
>>> feature that we still lack..
>>>
>>
>> Are you sure?
>>
>> MCoA is solved in Netext Flow Mobility draft,
>>
>> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14
>>
>> is the latest draft.
>
>
> Sorry for my improper wording regarding which part of the MCoA I meant. I
> don't see how draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14 would handle the case of
> registration when the Proxy-CoAs are from the same MAG.

I wonder why would that be needed?
MN doesn't need it.
So this draft seems to be addressing a non-problem.

Regards,

Behcet
> The netext draft
> specifically states Proxy-CoAs are from different MAGs.
>
> But it was a good thing you brought this up. The two I-Ds need to be in
> sync.
>
>>
>> BTW there was an issue in WG adoption call in IETF 93 in Yokohama. The
>
>
> IETF 94 I presume.. AFAIR we did not ask for adoption in IETF 93.
>
>> chair asked only those who accept. The chair unfortunately did not ask
>> those who oppose.
>>
>> As you know, if the chair wishes to ask a single question then the
>> right one is any opposes.
>
>
> Obviously you are right here but I cannot really comment on this what
> happened in Yokohama since I was not on site or not even participating
> remotely.
>
> Anyway, all adoption calls are confirmed on the mailing list and the "sense
> of the room" during the meeting merely serves as informative quidance for
> chairs.
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Behcet
>>>
>>> The document itself still needs quite a bit of work. For example, I
>>> wonder
>>> if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option fiels
>>> descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple small nits
>>> like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly editorials. I
>>> have
>>> no problem with the technical solution.
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>>>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> ------
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>
>>>
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I support the adoption (full disclosure I am a co-author)

It was noted to me twice this week that there is extra period in Section
4.1 " a heartbeat message is retransmitted.." which will get fixed.

Lyle

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Dapeng Liu <maxpassion@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to confirm
> the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>
>
> Thanks,
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng&Jouni
>
>
>
> --
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> ------
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> Dapeng Liu
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>I support the adoption (full disclosure I am a co-aut=
hor)<br></div><div><br></div><div>It was noted to me twice this week that=
=C2=A0there is extra period in Section 4.1 &quot;<span style=3D"color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-family:&#39;PT Mono&#39;,Monaco,monospace;font-size:14px;line-he=
ight:1.214;background-color:rgb(255,253,245)">=C2=A0a heartbeat message is =
retransmitted..</span>&quot; which will get fixed.</div><div><br></div><div=
>Lyle</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Dapeng Liu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:maxpassion@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">maxpassion@gmail.com</a>=
&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0=
 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"color:r=
gb(33,33,33);line-height:1.666">Hello all,</span><div><div style=3D"clear:b=
oth"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear=
:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"text-align:j=
ustify;line-height:1.666">In IETF94, we initiated
the call for adoption for the draft:</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both">=
<span style=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"=
text-align:justify;line-height:1.666">draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-m=
ag-params: =C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundave=
lli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params" style=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:=
1.7" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-=
controlled-mag-params</a></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"tex=
t-align:justify;line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">S=
eems have got sufficient support during
the meeting. We&#39;d like to confirm the call for adoption in
the mailing list for 2 weeks.</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.666"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span=
 style=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Pleas=
e send your opinion and comments to
the list before December 9.</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:1.666"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666"><br></s=
pan></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Thank=
s,</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">=
</span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">------</span></div><div style=3D"c=
lear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-hei=
ght:1.666">Best Regards,</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=
=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Dapeng&amp;=
Jouni</span></div></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888">
<br><br><br>-- <br><br>------<br>Best Regards,<br>Dapeng Liu<br>
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Behcet,

12/3/2015, 10:43 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
> Hi Jouni,
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Behcet,
>>
>> 12/2/2015, 11:02 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>>
>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D. MCoA is
>>>> a
>>>> feature that we still lack..
>>>>
>>>
>>> Are you sure?
>>>
>>> MCoA is solved in Netext Flow Mobility draft,
>>>
>>> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14
>>>
>>> is the latest draft.
>>
>>
>> Sorry for my improper wording regarding which part of the MCoA I meant. I
>> don't see how draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14 would handle the case of
>> registration when the Proxy-CoAs are from the same MAG.
>
> I wonder why would that be needed?
> MN doesn't need it.
> So this draft seems to be addressing a non-problem.

I'll let the WG to determine whether the feature is needed or not.

For me (as an individual contributor) the I-D gives a standard way to 
register multiple transport connections/tunnels between a MAG and a LMA, 
potentially over different technologies (wired, wireless, ..) on the 
transport network side without needing to rely on engineering solutions 
to achieve the same (yes - I could do a somewhat similar solution e.g. 
using MPLS but that would then be loaded with all kinds of assumptions 
that may or may not work in multi vendor and cross operator environment).

- JOuni

>
> Regards,
>
> Behcet
>> The netext draft
>> specifically states Proxy-CoAs are from different MAGs.
>>
>> But it was a good thing you brought this up. The two I-Ds need to be in
>> sync.
>>
>>>
>>> BTW there was an issue in WG adoption call in IETF 93 in Yokohama. The
>>
>>
>> IETF 94 I presume.. AFAIR we did not ask for adoption in IETF 93.
>>
>>> chair asked only those who accept. The chair unfortunately did not ask
>>> those who oppose.
>>>
>>> As you know, if the chair wishes to ask a single question then the
>>> right one is any opposes.
>>
>>
>> Obviously you are right here but I cannot really comment on this what
>> happened in Yokohama since I was not on site or not even participating
>> remotely.
>>
>> Anyway, all adoption calls are confirmed on the mailing list and the "sense
>> of the room" during the meeting merely serves as informative quidance for
>> chairs.
>>
>> - Jouni
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Behcet
>>>>
>>>> The document itself still needs quite a bit of work. For example, I
>>>> wonder
>>>> if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option fiels
>>>> descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple small nits
>>>> like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly editorials. I
>>>> have
>>>> no problem with the technical solution.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>>>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>>>>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>>>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>>
>>>>> ------
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>
>>>>>
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As an individual contributor I support the adoption of the draft as a WG
draft.

Lyle

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Dapeng Liu <maxpassion@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to confirm
> the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>
>
> Thanks,
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng&Jouni
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng Liu
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">As an individual contribu=
tor I support the adoption of the draft as a WG draft.</span><br><div><span=
 style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br>Lyle</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_=
extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:22 AM, Dap=
eng Liu <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:maxpassion@gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">maxpassion@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><span style=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);line-height:1.7">Hello al=
l,</span><div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.7"><br=
></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.7"></s=
pan><span style=3D"line-height:1.7;text-align:justify">In IETF94, we initia=
ted
the call for adoption for the draft:</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both">=
<span style=3D"line-height:1.7;text-align:justify"></span><a href=3D"http:/=
/tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02" style=3D"line-heigh=
t:1.7;color:rgb(0,0,221);border-bottom-width:0px;background-color:inherit" =
target=3D"_blank">draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02</a><span style=3D"line-=
height:1.7;text-align:justify">: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/htm=
l/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.or=
g/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02</a></span></div><div style=3D"clea=
r:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.7;text-align:justify"></span><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:1.7">Seems have got sufficient support during
the meeting. We&#39;d like to confirm the call for adoption in
the mailing list for 2 weeks.</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.7">Please send=
 your opinion and comments to
the list before December 9.</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:1.7"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:1.7"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.7">Thanks,</span=
></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.7"></span><sp=
an style=3D"line-height:1.7">------</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><=
span style=3D"line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.7">Best =
Regards,</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1=
.7"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.7">Dapeng&amp;Jouni</span></div><sp=
an class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div style=3D"clear:both"><span=
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> For me (as an individual contributor) the I-D gives a standard way to
>register multiple transport connections/tunnels between a MAG and a LMA,
potentially over different technologies (wired, wireless, ..) on the
transport network side without needing to rely on engineering solutions


Ack. MAG's ability to register multiple IP transport end points is a basic
protocol semantic which is always present in enterprise architectures.

Problem with this thread it confuses the hell out of every thing. You
cannot explain and you cannot have a meaningful conversation. Pierrick
gave up and now I give up. But, this is not new; WG after WG, same folks
and same pattern.



Sri











On 12/3/15 11:38 AM, "dmm on behalf of Jouni Korhonen"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:

>Behcet,
>
>12/3/2015, 10:43 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>> Hi Jouni,
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 2:29 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>> Behcet,
>>>
>>> 12/2/2015, 11:02 AM, Behcet Sarikaya kirjoitti:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jouni,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen
>>>><jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D.
>>>>>MCoA is
>>>>> a
>>>>> feature that we still lack..
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you sure?
>>>>
>>>> MCoA is solved in Netext Flow Mobility draft,
>>>>
>>>> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14
>>>>
>>>> is the latest draft.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry for my improper wording regarding which part of the MCoA I
>>>meant. I
>>> don't see how draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14 would handle the
>>>case of
>>> registration when the Proxy-CoAs are from the same MAG.
>>
>> I wonder why would that be needed?
>> MN doesn't need it.
>> So this draft seems to be addressing a non-problem.
>
>I'll let the WG to determine whether the feature is needed or not.
>
>For me (as an individual contributor) the I-D gives a standard way to
>register multiple transport connections/tunnels between a MAG and a LMA,
>potentially over different technologies (wired, wireless, ..) on the
>transport network side without needing to rely on engineering solutions
>to achieve the same (yes - I could do a somewhat similar solution e.g.
>using MPLS but that would then be loaded with all kinds of assumptions
>that may or may not work in multi vendor and cross operator environment).
>
>- JOuni
>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Behcet
>>> The netext draft
>>> specifically states Proxy-CoAs are from different MAGs.
>>>
>>> But it was a good thing you brought this up. The two I-Ds need to be in
>>> sync.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> BTW there was an issue in WG adoption call in IETF 93 in Yokohama. The
>>>
>>>
>>> IETF 94 I presume.. AFAIR we did not ask for adoption in IETF 93.
>>>
>>>> chair asked only those who accept. The chair unfortunately did not ask
>>>> those who oppose.
>>>>
>>>> As you know, if the chair wishes to ask a single question then the
>>>> right one is any opposes.
>>>
>>>
>>> Obviously you are right here but I cannot really comment on this what
>>> happened in Yokohama since I was not on site or not even participating
>>> remotely.
>>>
>>> Anyway, all adoption calls are confirmed on the mailing list and the
>>>"sense
>>> of the room" during the meeting merely serves as informative quidance
>>>for
>>> chairs.
>>>
>>> - Jouni
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Behcet
>>>>>
>>>>> The document itself still needs quite a bit of work. For example, I
>>>>> wonder
>>>>> if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option
>>>>>fiels
>>>>> descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple small
>>>>>nits
>>>>> like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly editorials. I
>>>>> have
>>>>> no problem with the technical solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Jouni
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>>>>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>>>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
>>>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>>>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>>>>>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>>>>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ------
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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I, obviously, support adoption of this I-D.


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Hi,

I support adoption.

One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.  It 
would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-, if 
it's not too complicated.

Alex

Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a écrit :
> Hello all,
>
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>
>
> Thanks,
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng&Jouni
>
>
>
>
>
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Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...=20

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre Petrescu
> Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02
> =C0=A0: dmm
> Objet=A0: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-mu=
ltihoming-
> 02
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I support adoption.
>=20
> One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.  It =
would make
> sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-, if it's not too co=
mplicated.
>=20
> Alex
>=20
> Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
> > Hello all,
> >
> > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> > confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ------
> > Best Regards,
> > Dapeng&Jouni
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> > ------
> > Best Regards,
> > Dapeng Liu
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > dmm mailing list
> > dmm@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
> >
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> but "Hybrid Access" is a term defined by BBF WT-348 so it should be
>removed from the text to avoid misleading.

We will consider this feedback.


> As the draft intends not to refer to BBF WT-348's "DSL+LTE" use-case,
>Figure 1 should be removed.
=20

The extension is not tied to any specific access technology and its
perfectly reasonable to refer to any access technology. We will make the
wording clear that its only an example.



Sri





On 12/6/15, 7:29 PM, "dmm on behalf of Mingui Zhang" <dmm-bounces@ietf.org
on behalf of zhangmingui@huawei.com> wrote:

>Hi,=20
>
>Thanks for letting us know the draft does not intend to define the BBF
>hybrid access arch any more. And yes, I noticed the reference [WT-348]
>had been removed in the 02 version, but "Hybrid Access" is a term defined
>by BBF WT-348 so it should be removed from the text to avoid misleading.
>
>> >  As mentioned in Prague and Yokohama,  the use case defined is the
>> > broadband use case for hybrid access. Without having proper discussion
>> > on the use case it will improper to look for the solution as we MAY
>> > not even know the complete architecture issues involved in broadband
>> > access hybrid use case which is what the Figure 1 refers too.
><snip>
>
>Definitely. As the draft intends not to refer to BBF WT-348's "DSL+LTE"
>use-case, Figure 1 should be removed.
>
>Thanks,
>Mingui
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> pierrick.seite@orange.com
>> Sent: Friday, December 04, 2015 5:16 PM
>> To: Muley, Praveen V (Praveen); sarikaya@ieee.org; Jong-Hyouk Lee
>> Cc: dmm
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>=20
>> Hi,
>>=20
>> I think there is big misunderstood here... this draft does not intend
>>to define
>> the BBF hybrid access architecture... not even to address this specific
>>use-case.
>> Few months ago, we had a consensus (including AD) to not focus on a
>>specific
>> use-case; we thus have removed all references to BBF use-case from this
>>draft.
>>=20
>> As already said, this draft defines protocol extension. How to use this
>>extension
>> is part of system design and is out of the scope.
>>=20
>> BTW, PMIP is not a tunneling but a control protocol, underlying
>>tunneling can
>> be GRE, IP-in-IP,...
>>=20
>> Pierrick
>>=20
>> > -----Message d'origine-----
>> > De : Muley, Praveen V (Praveen)
>> > [mailto:praveen.muley@alcatel-lucent.com]
>> > Envoy=E9 : vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 09:45 =C0 : SEITE Pierrick IMT/O=
LN;
>> > sarikaya@ieee.org; Jong-Hyouk Lee Cc : dmm Objet : RE: [DMM] Call for
>> > adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
>> > 02
>> >
>> > Hi :
>> >
>> >  As mentioned in Prague and Yokohama,  the use case defined is the
>> > broadband use case for hybrid access. Without having proper discussion
>> > on the use case it will improper to look for the solution as we MAY
>> > not even know the complete architecture issues involved in broadband
>> > access hybrid use case which is what the Figure 1 refers too.  So its
>> > too pre-mature (oppose) to adopt this as WG document.
>> >
>> >        If the use case different than multihomed RG then please have
>> > that network diagram in document and explain properly the use case.
>> >
>> > If you are saying this solution can be used for multi-homed RG , first
>> > of all why would you solve that use case using layers of tunnel as
>> > there are some other better solutions which doesn't require tunneling
>> > overlay. Given that these RG is very cheap device the performance of
>> > these devices goes down dramatically so obviously doesn't address the
>> > fundamental requirement of increasing the bandwidth to the end user.
>> >
>> > Why PMIP even if I have to use tunnel ?  There are many other better
>> > tunneling technologies like soft-GRE.
>> >
>> > One another point is how fast the failure of underlay tunnel on LTE
>> > and DSL detected by LMA to avoid blackholing of traffic. It will be
>> > good if you can touch base on this in your draft.
>> >
>> >
>>=20
>> This draft only deals with mPCoAfailure detection is adressed
>>=20
>> >
>> > -Praveen
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> > pierrick.seite@orange.com
>> > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 12:22 AM
>> > To: sarikaya@ieee.org; Jong-Hyouk Lee
>> > Cc: dmm
>> > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-
>> > multihoming-02
>> >
>> > Hi Behcet,
>> >
>> > This extension is for any use-case requiring a MAG to be multihomed.
>> > For sure, multihomed RG can be one of them, but there is no reason to
>> > restrict MCoA to this use-case.
>> >
>> > Pierrick
>> >
>> > > -----Message d'origine-----
>> > > De : dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Behcet Sarikaya
>> > > Envoy=E9 : mardi 1 d=E9cembre 2015 18:18 =C0 : Jong-Hyouk Lee Cc : d=
mm
>> > > Objet
>> > > : Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
>> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
>> > > 02
>> > >
>> > > Hi Jong-Hyouk,
>> > >
>> > > On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Jong-Hyouk Lee
>> > > <jonghyouk@gmail.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > Hi all
>> > > >
>> > > > I support the adoption of this draft as a WG draft even with the
>> > > > concerns pointed by Mingui. This draft has a merit of the
>> > > > introduction of the generic protocol extension allowing a
>> > > > multihomed MAG
>> > >
>> > > No, the extension is for the RG, i.e. Residential Gateway which is a
>> > > broadband or fixed network element.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > > to register more than one PCoA
>> > > > to the LMA. It is definitely useful for a multihomed environment.
>> > >
>> > > Why would a MAG be multihomed? I am not aware of any proposals that
>> > > e..g  the serving gateway in 3GPP network where MAG is placed should
>> > > be
>> > multihomed.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Regards,
>> > > Behcet
>> > > >  Authors
>> > > > may update this draft to address Mingui=B9s comments if needed.
>> > > >
>> > > > J.
>> > > > --
>> > > > Jong-Hyouk Lee, living somewhere between /dev/null and /dev/random
>> > > > Protocol Engineering Lab., Sangmyung University
>> > > >
>> > > > #email: jonghyouk@gmail.com
>> > > > #webpage: https://sites.google.com/site/hurryon
>> > > >
>> > > > On Nov 26, 2015, at 5:00 PM, Mingui Zhang <zhangmingui@huawei.com>
>> > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > I remember it was suggested to remove DSL, =B3Hybrid Access=B2, et=
c,
>> > > > and the suggestion was acknowledged. We haven=B9t seen an updated
>> > > > version yet. It is not ready to be adopted, I think.
>> > > >
>> > > > I have read the draft. I found the scope greatly shrinked from
>>the 01 to 02.
>> > > > I guess the draft wants to fight through by providing a more
>> > > > generic protocol extension, while awaiting for real use cases.
>> > > > And, Hybrid Access could be treated as a potential use case
>> > > > (Actually, the
>> > > > DSL+LTE scenario is now intentionally inherited from the 00
>> > > > DSL+version
>> > > > as a use case.).  If I guess right, I don=B9t think it=B9s a good
>> > > > starting point since it only covers a fragment of a possible
>> > > > solution. Besides the care of addresses, there are many other gaps
>> > > > that have not been
>> > > > touched: per-packet traffic classification and recombination,
>> > > > performance measurement, the bypass requirement, etc. From the
>> > > > draft, we cannot figure out a clear architectural overview.
>> > > > Section 3 doesn=B9t
>> > help much.
>> > > >
>> > > > Hence, I oppose its adoption.
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > Mingui
>> > > >
>> > > > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dapeng Liu
>> > > > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2015 12:22 AM
>> > > > To: dmm
>> > > > Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
>> > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> > > >
>> > > > Hello all,
>> > > >
>> > > > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>> > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02:
>> > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> > > > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>> > > > confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>> > > > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December
>>9.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Thanks,
>> > > > ------
>> > > > Best Regards,
>> > > > Dapeng&Jouni
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > --
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>> > > > ------
>> > > > Best Regards,
>> > > > Dapeng Liu
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I support the adoption of this draft as a WG item.

Lyle

On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Dapeng Liu <maxpassion@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>  draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03>:
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to confirm
> the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>
> Thanks,
> ------
> Best Regards,
> Dapeng&Jouni
>
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I support the adoption of this draft as a WG item.<div><br=
></div><div>Lyle</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gm=
ail_quote">On Wed, Nov 25, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Dapeng Liu <span dir=3D"ltr">&=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:maxpassion@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">maxpassion@gma=
il.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"=
margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(33,33,33);line-height:1.7">Hello all,</span><div><div style=
=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.7"><br></span></div><div style=
=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"text-=
align:justify;line-height:1.666">In IETF94, we initiated
the call for adoption for the draft:</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both">=
<span style=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"=
text-align:justify;line-height:1.666">=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"http://tools.=
ietf.org/html/draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" style=3D"text-align:justify;line-h=
eight:1.7;color:rgb(0,0,221);border-bottom-width:0px;background-color:inher=
it" target=3D"_blank">draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03</a><span style=3D"text-alig=
n:justify;line-height:1.7">: =C2=A0<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/dr=
aft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft=
-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03</a></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=
=3D"text-align:justify;line-height:1.7"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1=
.666">Seems have got sufficient support during
the meeting. We&#39;d like to confirm the call for adoption in
the mailing list for 2 weeks.</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Please =
send your opinion and comments to
the list before December 9.</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span sty=
le=3D"line-height:1.666"><br></span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span s=
tyle=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Thanks,=
</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666"></=
span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">------</span></div><div style=3D"cle=
ar:both"><span style=3D"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-heigh=
t:1.666">Best Regards,</span></div><div style=3D"clear:both"><span style=3D=
"line-height:1.666"></span><span style=3D"line-height:1.666">Dapeng&amp;Jou=
ni</span></div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><div style=3D=
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<br><br><br>-- <br><br>------<br>Best Regards,<br>Dapeng Liu<br>
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Hi Pierrick,
Thank you for the clarification!
May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of RG in the=
 draft text by - why not MAG?

Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future mobility man=
agement systems with multiple connections (e.g. backhauling of vehicular/no=
madic access nodes or MRs) otherwise might be interpreted in a misleading d=
irection ...

Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression 'hybrid'=
 by 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related aggregated access=
 bundling often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g. BANANA activity) there are=
 - as Mingui already pointed out - other solution proposals available which=
 consider in detail the specific existing gaps.

IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more general =
one e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE or LTE(provided b=
y operator x) + LTE(provided by operator y) or even LTE+future 5G air inter=
face ...
;-)

Thanks a lot!

Best Regards
Dirk

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Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...=20

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre=20
> Petrescu Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0=A0: dmm Objet=
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>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I support adoption.
>=20
> One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group. =20
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t's not too complicated.
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> > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
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> > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
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> > Dapeng&Jouni
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Hi,

I am not alone who find Figure 1 is misleading. Lots of people around know =
'DSL+LTE' is a peculiar use case of BBF WT-348. Now that the draft intends =
to provide a generic protocol extension for mobility management systems, pl=
ease drop that use case.=20

Looking at the structure of the doc, Figure 1 is obviously a good position =
to give a generic reference model rather than a specific example, not to me=
ntion a misleading one.=20

In the text,=20
   " Flow-1,2 and 3 are distributed either on
   Tunnel-1 (over LTE) or Tunnel-2 (ober DSL), while Flow-4 is spread on
   both Tunnel-1 and 2. "
s/ober/over/
So, this indicates the doc aims to support both per-flow and per-packet tra=
ffic distribution. This point could be explicitly stated.=20

In the figure,
s/Flow0=3D-4/ Flow-4 /

I guess authors would produce an updated version to address the issues we'v=
e found.

Thanks,
Mingui

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:06 PM
> To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; dmm@ietf.org
> Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>=20
> Hi Pierrick,
> Thank you for the clarification!
> May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of RG in t=
he
> draft text by - why not MAG?
>=20
> Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future mobility
> management systems with multiple connections (e.g. backhauling of
> vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) otherwise might be interpreted in =
a
> misleading direction ...
>=20
> Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression 'hybri=
d' by
> 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related aggregated access b=
undling
> often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g. BANANA activity) there are - as Mi=
ngui
> already pointed out - other solution proposals available which consider i=
n detail
> the specific existing gaps.
>=20
> IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more genera=
l
> one e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE or LTE(provided=
 by
> operator x) + LTE(provided by operator y) or even LTE+future 5G air inter=
face ...
> ;-)
>=20
> Thanks a lot!
>=20
> Best Regards
> Dirk
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> pierrick.seite@orange.com
> Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07
> To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm
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> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
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> Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...
>=20
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre
> > Petrescu Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0=A0: dmm Obje=
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> > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > 02
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I support adoption.
> >
> > One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.
> > It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-, if=
 it's not
> too complicated.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
> > > Hello all,
> > >
> > > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> > > confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> > > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > ------
> > > Best Regards,
> > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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> > > Dapeng Liu
> > >
> > >
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Hi,

I also support the adoption.

However, I have a slight concern.I find Figure 1 little too specific and 
it might mislead the audience.
Maybe the wording should be changed in order to emphasize that this is 
just an instance.
Or else, I think the use case should be dropped.
However, having an example would be extremely helpful in understanding. 
So I would suggest the former.

Regards,
IRU

On 12/4/2015 8:01 PM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I support adoption.
>
> One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.  
> It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-, 
> if it's not too complicated.
>
> Alex
>
> Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a écrit :
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ------
>> Best Regards,
>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> ------
>> Best Regards,
>> Dapeng Liu
>>
>>
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> On 08 Dec 2015, at 18:53, Mingui Zhang <zhangmingui@huawei.com> wrote:
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I am not alone who find Figure 1 is misleading. Lots of people around =
know 'DSL+LTE' is a peculiar use case of BBF WT-348. Now that the draft =
intends to provide a generic protocol extension for mobility management =
systems, please drop that use case.=20

I do not see why giving an example which happens to depict access =
technologies such as LTE and DSL would be somehow exclusive to some =
specific SDO.=20

- Jouni

>=20
> Looking at the structure of the doc, Figure 1 is obviously a good =
position to give a generic reference model rather than a specific =
example, not to mention a misleading one.=20
>=20
> In the text,=20
>   " Flow-1,2 and 3 are distributed either on
>   Tunnel-1 (over LTE) or Tunnel-2 (ober DSL), while Flow-4 is spread =
on
>   both Tunnel-1 and 2. "
> s/ober/over/
> So, this indicates the doc aims to support both per-flow and =
per-packet traffic distribution. This point could be explicitly stated.=20=

>=20
> In the figure,
> s/Flow0=3D-4/ Flow-4 /
>=20
> I guess authors would produce an updated version to address the issues =
we've found.
>=20
> Thanks,
> Mingui
>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]
>> Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:06 PM
>> To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; dmm@ietf.org
>> Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
>> Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>=20
>> Hi Pierrick,
>> Thank you for the clarification!
>> May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of RG =
in the
>> draft text by - why not MAG?
>>=20
>> Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future =
mobility
>> management systems with multiple connections (e.g. backhauling of
>> vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) otherwise might be interpreted =
in a
>> misleading direction ...
>>=20
>> Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression =
'hybrid' by
>> 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related aggregated =
access bundling
>> often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g. BANANA activity) there are - =
as Mingui
>> already pointed out - other solution proposals available which =
consider in detail
>> the specific existing gaps.
>>=20
>> IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more =
general
>> one e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE or =
LTE(provided by
>> operator x) + LTE(provided by operator y) or even LTE+future 5G air =
interface ...
>> ;-)
>>=20
>> Thanks a lot!
>>=20
>> Best Regards
>> Dirk
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
>> pierrick.seite@orange.com
>> Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07
>> To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>=20
>> Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...
>>=20
>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>> De : dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre
>>> Petrescu Envoy=E9 : vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0 : dmm Objet =
: Re:
>>> [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: =
draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
>>> 02
>>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> I support adoption.
>>>=20
>>> One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.
>>> It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-, =
if it's not
>> too complicated.
>>>=20
>>> Alex
>>>=20
>>> Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>=20
>>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>>> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
>>>> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
>>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December =
9.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> ------
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> --
>>>>=20
>>>> ------
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
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Hi,

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Mingui Zhang [mailto:zhangmingui@huawei.com]
> Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 9 d=E9cembre 2015 03:54
> =C0=A0: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; SEITE Pierrick IMT/OLN; dmm@ietf.org
> Cc=A0: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> Objet=A0: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-mu=
ltihoming-
> 02
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I am not alone who find Figure 1 is misleading. Lots of people around know
> 'DSL+LTE' is a peculiar use case of BBF WT-348.=20

Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ... come on=
. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why not WiFi an=
d LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims exclusivity on this use-ca=
se ;-) ?

Now that the draft intends to
> provide a generic protocol extension for mobility management systems, ple=
ase
> drop that use case.
>=20
> Looking at the structure of the doc, Figure 1 is obviously a good positio=
n to give a
> generic reference model rather than a specific example, not to mention a
> misleading one.
>=20
> In the text,
>    " Flow-1,2 and 3 are distributed either on
>    Tunnel-1 (over LTE) or Tunnel-2 (ober DSL), while Flow-4 is spread on
>    both Tunnel-1 and 2. "
> s/ober/over/
> So, this indicates the doc aims to support both per-flow and per-packet t=
raffic
> distribution. This point could be explicitly stated.
>=20

It is stated on section 3.2. but, you are right, it is maybe worth to clari=
fy this in the introduction as well.


> In the figure,
> s/Flow0=3D-4/ Flow-4 /
>=20
> I guess authors would produce an updated version to address the issues we=
've
> found.
>=20

Yes of course. Thanks for the comments.

> Thanks,
> Mingui
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:06 PM
> > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; dmm@ietf.org
> > Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> >
> > Hi Pierrick,
> > Thank you for the clarification!
> > May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of RG
> > in the draft text by - why not MAG?
> >
> > Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future
> > mobility management systems with multiple connections (e.g.
> > backhauling of vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) otherwise might
> > be interpreted in a misleading direction ...
> >
> > Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression
> > 'hybrid' by 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related
> > aggregated access bundling often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g.
> > BANANA activity) there are - as Mingui already pointed out - other
> > solution proposals available which consider in detail the specific exis=
ting gaps.
> >
> > IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more
> > general one e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE or
> > LTE(provided by operator x) + LTE(provided by operator y) or even LTE+f=
uture
> 5G air interface ...
> > ;-)
> >
> > Thanks a lot!
> >
> > Best Regards
> > Dirk
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > pierrick.seite@orange.com
> > Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07
> > To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm
> > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> >
> > Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre
> > > Petrescu Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0=A0: dmm Ob=
jet=A0: Re:
> > > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > > 02
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I support adoption.
> > >
> > > One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.
> > > It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-,
> > > if it's not
> > too complicated.
> > >
> > > Alex
> > >
> > > Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
> > > > Hello all,
> > > >
> > > > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> > > > confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> > > > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > ------
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > ------
> > > > Best Regards,
> > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > dmm@ietf.org
> > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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Hi,


> -----Message d'origine-----
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> Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 9 d=E9cembre 2015 05:13
> =C0=A0: dmm@ietf.org
> Objet=A0: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-mu=
ltihoming-
> 02
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> I also support the adoption.
>=20
> However, I have a slight concern.I find Figure 1 little too specific and =
it might
> mislead the audience.
> Maybe the wording should be changed in order to emphasize that this is ju=
st an
> instance.

You're right. Next revision shall clarify this.

> Or else, I think the use case should be dropped.
> However, having an example would be extremely helpful in understanding.
> So I would suggest the former.
>=20

Agreed. Thanks for your comments.

Pierrick

> Regards,
> IRU
>=20
> On 12/4/2015 8:01 PM, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I support adoption.
> >
> > One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.
> > It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-,
> > if it's not too complicated.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> >> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> >> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> >> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> >> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> >> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> ------
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Dapeng&Jouni
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> ------
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Dapeng Liu
> >>
> >>
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Hi Pierrick,

> Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ... come
> on. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why not WiF=
i and
> LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims exclusivity on this use-ca=
se ;-) ?

:-)

I would say "exclusivity" is exaggerated. The fact is that people already h=
ave that background knowledge so that they can easily get the impression th=
at this is talking about the BBF use case. Also, the older versions did ref=
er to WT-348 use case.=20

There are alternative examples, as you've already suggested, that can be us=
ed in the placeholder. It would be easier to use them.=20

Thanks,
Mingui

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pierrick.seite@orange.com [mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 5:02 PM
> To: Mingui Zhang; Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; dmm@ietf.org
> Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>=20
> Hi,
>=20
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De=A0: Mingui Zhang [mailto:zhangmingui@huawei.com] Envoy=E9=A0: mercre=
di 9
> > d=E9cembre 2015 03:54 =C0=A0: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; SEITE Pierrick
> > IMT/OLN; dmm@ietf.org Cc=A0: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com Objet=A0: RE:
> > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > 02
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I am not alone who find Figure 1 is misleading. Lots of people around
> > know 'DSL+LTE' is a peculiar use case of BBF WT-348.
>=20
> Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ... come
> on. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why not WiF=
i and
> LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims exclusivity on this use-ca=
se ;-) ?
>=20
> Now that the draft intends to
> > provide a generic protocol extension for mobility management systems,
> > please drop that use case.
> >
> > Looking at the structure of the doc, Figure 1 is obviously a good
> > position to give a generic reference model rather than a specific
> > example, not to mention a misleading one.
> >
> > In the text,
> >    " Flow-1,2 and 3 are distributed either on
> >    Tunnel-1 (over LTE) or Tunnel-2 (ober DSL), while Flow-4 is spread o=
n
> >    both Tunnel-1 and 2. "
> > s/ober/over/
> > So, this indicates the doc aims to support both per-flow and
> > per-packet traffic distribution. This point could be explicitly stated.
> >
>=20
> It is stated on section 3.2. but, you are right, it is maybe worth to cla=
rify this in
> the introduction as well.
>=20
>=20
> > In the figure,
> > s/Flow0=3D-4/ Flow-4 /
> >
> > I guess authors would produce an updated version to address the issues
> > we've found.
> >
>=20
> Yes of course. Thanks for the comments.
>=20
> > Thanks,
> > Mingui
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:06 PM
> > > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; dmm@ietf.org
> > > Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> > > Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > >
> > > Hi Pierrick,
> > > Thank you for the clarification!
> > > May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of RG
> > > in the draft text by - why not MAG?
> > >
> > > Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future
> > > mobility management systems with multiple connections (e.g.
> > > backhauling of vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) otherwise
> > > might be interpreted in a misleading direction ...
> > >
> > > Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression
> > > 'hybrid' by 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related
> > > aggregated access bundling often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g.
> > > BANANA activity) there are - as Mingui already pointed out - other
> > > solution proposals available which consider in detail the specific ex=
isting
> gaps.
> > >
> > > IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more
> > > general one e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE or
> > > LTE(provided by operator x) + LTE(provided by operator y) or even
> > > LTE+future
> > 5G air interface ...
> > > ;-)
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot!
> > >
> > > Best Regards
> > > Dirk
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > > pierrick.seite@orange.com
> > > Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07
> > > To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm
> > > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > >
> > > Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre
> > > > Petrescu Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0=A0: dmm =
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> > > > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > > > 02
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I support adoption.
> > > >
> > > > One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group=
.
> > > > It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of
> > > > -rg-, if it's not
> > > too complicated.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > > Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
> > > > > Hello all,
> > > > >
> > > > > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like
> > > > > to confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> > > > > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December=
 9.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > ------
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > >
> > > > > ------
> > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > >
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Hi Dirk,



> -----Message d'origine-----

> De : Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]

> Envoy=E9 : mardi 8 d=E9cembre 2015 11:06

> =C0 : SEITE Pierrick IMT/OLN; dmm@ietf.org

> Cc : alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com

> Objet : RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-mult=
ihoming-

> 02

>

> Hi Pierrick,

> Thank you for the clarification!

> May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of RG in t=
he

> draft text by - why not MAG?

>


Sure, this doc must not refer to RG, MAG should be used instead . Thanks


> Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future mobility

> management systems with multiple connections (e.g. backhauling of

> vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) otherwise might be interpreted in a

> misleading direction ...

>

> Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression 'hybri=
d' by

> 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related aggregated access b=
undling

> often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g. BANANA activity) there are - as Mi=
ngui

> already pointed out - other solution proposals available which consider i=
n detail the

> specific existing gaps.

>



Agreed. Let's use IETF terminology as per RFC4885 and talk about multihomin=
g instead.



> IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more genera=
l one

> e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE or LTE(provided by =
operator x)

> + LTE(provided by operator y) or even LTE+future 5G air interface ...

> ;-)

>



Even if I do not see why Wifi+LTE is more general than DSL+LTE,  I have no =
problem with using another example :-) we will change the example in next r=
evision.



Thanks,

Pierrick



> Thanks a lot!

>

> Best Regards

> Dirk

>

> -----Original Message-----

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> pierrick.seite@orange.com<mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com>

> Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07

> To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm

> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-

> multihoming-02

>

> Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...

>

> > -----Message d'origine-----

> > De : dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre

> > Petrescu Envoy=E9 : vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0 : dmm Objet : =
Re:

> > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-

> > 02

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I support adoption.

> >

> > One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Group.

> > It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of -rg-, if=
 it's not

> too complicated.

> >

> > Alex

> >

> > Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :

> > > Hello all,

> > >

> > > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:

> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02

> > > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:

> > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02

> > > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to

> > > confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.

> > > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.

> > >

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > ------

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Dapeng&Jouni

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > --

> > >

> > > ------

> > > Best Regards,

> > > Dapeng Liu

> > >

> > >

> > > _______________________________________________

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> > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm

> > >

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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Hi Dirk,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:FR">----=
-Message d'origine-----</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:FR">De&n=
bsp;: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:FR">Envo=
y=E9&nbsp;: mardi 8 d=E9cembre 2015 11:06</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:FR">=C0&=
nbsp;: SEITE Pierrick IMT/OLN; dmm@ietf.org</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:FR">Cc&n=
bsp;: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:FR">Obje=
t&nbsp;: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-multi=
homing-</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:FR">02</=
span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Hi Pierrick,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Thank you for the clarification!</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; May I recommend then to exchange also the mu=
ltiple occurrences of RG in the</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; draft text by - why not MAG?</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Sure, </s=
pan><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">this doc must not refer to RG,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">MAG should be used instea=
d . Thanks
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbs=
p;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; Your approach which I t=
hink of as mainly opting towards future mobility<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; management systems with multiple connections=
 (e.g. backhauling of</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) other=
wise might be interpreted in a</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; misleading direction ...</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Having said this I also would appreciate to =
replace the expression 'hybrid' by</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BB=
F-related aggregated access bundling</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g. BANAN=
A activity) there are - as Mingui</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; already pointed out - other solution proposa=
ls available which consider in detail the</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; specific existing gaps.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Agreed=
. Let's use IETF terminology as per RFC4885 and talk about multihoming inst=
ead.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; IMHO I would also optin=
g to replace the use case DSL&#43;LTE by a more general one<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&gt; e.g. mult</span>iple wi=
reless and cellular links as WiFi&#43;LTE or LTE(provided by operator x)</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &#43; LTE(provided by operator y) or even LT=
E&#43;future 5G air interface ...</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; ;-)</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Even i=
f I do not see why Wifi&#43;LTE is more general than DSL&#43;LTE, &nbsp;I h=
ave no problem with using another example :-) we will change the example in=
 next revision.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Thanks=
,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Pierri=
ck<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&=
nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Thanks a lot!</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Best Regards</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Dirk</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; -----Original Message-----</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; From: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@iet=
f.org"><span style=3D"color:black;text-decoration:none">mailto:dmm-bounces@=
ietf.org</span></a>] On Behalf Of</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com"=
><span style=3D"color:black;text-decoration:none">pierrick.seite@orange.com=
</span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirm=
ation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; multihoming-02</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; Good point... moreover, &quot;rg&quot; means=
 nothing here...</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; </p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; De&nbsp;: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bo=
unces@ietf.org"><span style=3D"color:black;text-decoration:none">mailto:dmm=
-bounces@ietf.org</span></a>] De la part de Alexandre</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Petrescu Envoy=E9&nbsp;: vendredi 4 d=
=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0&nbsp;: dmm Objet&nbsp;: Re:</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: d=
raft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; 02</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Hi,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; I support adoption.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; One little note: the -rg- in filename m=
akes think of Research Group.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; It would make sense to change the filen=
ame to avoid the use of -rg-, if it's not</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; too complicated.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Alex</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9cr=
it :</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Hello all,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; In IETF94, we initiated the call f=
or adoption for the draft:</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02<=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.o=
rg/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02"><span style=3D"color:black;text-=
decoration:none">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-=
02</span></a>&gt;:</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/h=
tml/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02">
<span style=3D"color:black;text-decoration:none">http://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02</span></a></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Seems have got sufficient support =
during the meeting. We'd like to</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; confirm the call for adoption in t=
he mailing list for 2 weeks.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Please send your opinion and comme=
nts to the list before December 9.</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Thanks,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; ------</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Best Regards,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Dapeng&amp;Jouni</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; --</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; ------</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Best Regards,</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt; Dapeng Liu</p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&gt; &gt; &gt;</p>
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> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Mingui Zhang [mailto:zhangmingui@huawei.com]
> Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 9 d=E9cembre 2015 10:32
> =C0=A0: SEITE Pierrick IMT/OLN; Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; dmm@ietf.org
> Cc=A0: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> Objet=A0: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-mu=
ltihoming-
> 02
>=20
> Hi Pierrick,
>=20
> > Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ...
> > come on. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why
> > not WiFi and LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims exclusivity=
 on this
> use-case ;-) ?
>=20
> :-)
>=20
> I would say "exclusivity" is exaggerated. The fact is that people already=
 have that
> background knowledge so that they can easily get the impression that this=
 is
> talking about the BBF use case. Also, the older versions did refer to WT-=
348 use
> case.
>=20
> There are alternative examples, as you've already suggested, that can be =
used in
> the placeholder. It would be easier to use them.
>=20

Ok, no problem.=20

> Thanks,
> Mingui
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pierrick.seite@orange.com [mailto:pierrick.seite@orange.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 5:02 PM
> > To: Mingui Zhang; Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; dmm@ietf.org
> > Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> > Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De=A0: Mingui Zhang [mailto:zhangmingui@huawei.com] Envoy=E9=A0: merc=
redi
> > > 9 d=E9cembre 2015 03:54 =C0=A0: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de; SEITE Pierr=
ick
> > > IMT/OLN; dmm@ietf.org Cc=A0: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com Objet=A0: R=
E:
> > > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > > 02
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I am not alone who find Figure 1 is misleading. Lots of people
> > > around know 'DSL+LTE' is a peculiar use case of BBF WT-348.
> >
> > Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ...
> > come on. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why
> > not WiFi and LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims exclusivity=
 on this
> use-case ;-) ?
> >
> > Now that the draft intends to
> > > provide a generic protocol extension for mobility management
> > > systems, please drop that use case.
> > >
> > > Looking at the structure of the doc, Figure 1 is obviously a good
> > > position to give a generic reference model rather than a specific
> > > example, not to mention a misleading one.
> > >
> > > In the text,
> > >    " Flow-1,2 and 3 are distributed either on
> > >    Tunnel-1 (over LTE) or Tunnel-2 (ober DSL), while Flow-4 is spread=
 on
> > >    both Tunnel-1 and 2. "
> > > s/ober/over/
> > > So, this indicates the doc aims to support both per-flow and
> > > per-packet traffic distribution. This point could be explicitly state=
d.
> > >
> >
> > It is stated on section 3.2. but, you are right, it is maybe worth to
> > clarify this in the introduction as well.
> >
> >
> > > In the figure,
> > > s/Flow0=3D-4/ Flow-4 /
> > >
> > > I guess authors would produce an updated version to address the
> > > issues we've found.
> > >
> >
> > Yes of course. Thanks for the comments.
> >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Mingui
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de [mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 6:06 PM
> > > > To: pierrick.seite@orange.com; dmm@ietf.org
> > > > Cc: alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > >
> > > > Hi Pierrick,
> > > > Thank you for the clarification!
> > > > May I recommend then to exchange also the multiple occurrences of
> > > > RG in the draft text by - why not MAG?
> > > >
> > > > Your approach which I think of as mainly opting towards future
> > > > mobility management systems with multiple connections (e.g.
> > > > backhauling of vehicular/nomadic access nodes or MRs) otherwise
> > > > might be interpreted in a misleading direction ...
> > > >
> > > > Having said this I also would appreciate to replace the expression
> > > > 'hybrid' by 'multi-link' or 'multi-connected'. For an BBF-related
> > > > aggregated access bundling often called 'hybrid access' (see e.g.
> > > > BANANA activity) there are - as Mingui already pointed out - other
> > > > solution proposals available which consider in detail the specific
> > > > existing
> > gaps.
> > > >
> > > > IMHO I would also opting to replace the use case DSL+LTE by a more
> > > > general one e.g. multiple wireless and cellular links as WiFi+LTE
> > > > or LTE(provided by operator x) + LTE(provided by operator y) or
> > > > even
> > > > LTE+future
> > > 5G air interface ...
> > > > ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Thanks a lot!
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> > > > Dirk
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > > > pierrick.seite@orange.com
> > > > Sent: Freitag, 4. Dezember 2015 12:07
> > > > To: Alexandre Petrescu; dmm
> > > > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > >
> > > > Good point... moreover, "rg" means nothing here...
> > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Alexandre
> > > > > Petrescu Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 4 d=E9cembre 2015 12:02 =C0=A0: dm=
m Objet=A0: Re:
> > > > > [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> > > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-
> > > > > 02
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I support adoption.
> > > > >
> > > > > One little note: the -rg- in filename makes think of Research Gro=
up.
> > > > > It would make sense to change the filename to avoid the use of
> > > > > -rg-, if it's not
> > > > too complicated.
> > > > >
> > > > > Alex
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 25/11/2015 17:22, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
> > > > > > Hello all,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > > > > > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > > > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> > > > > > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > > > > > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd
> > > > > > like to confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2=
 weeks.
> > > > > > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before Decemb=
er 9.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > ------
> > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > Dapeng&Jouni
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ------
> > > > > > Best Regards,
> > > > > > Dapeng Liu
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you mean that using DSL and LTE together is a BBF trademark? ...
>>> come on. :-).. anyway, I don't care about using another example... why
>>> not WiFi and LTE... is it ok? Is there any SDO which claims
>>>exclusivity on this
>>use-case ;-) ?

> Ok, no problem.

Now, I guess, it significantly improves of odds of some new protocol that
folks plan to define to be adopted as THE solution for the target SDO :)

FWIW, we will absolutely make sure this extension stays relevant to any
pairs of access technologies, with no restrictions.


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On 11/25/2015 05:22 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:=0A=
> Hello all,=0A=
>=0A=
> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:=0A=
> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02=0A=
> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:=0A=
> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02=0A=
> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to confir=
m=0A=
> the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.=0A=
> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.=0A=
=0A=
I am generally open to exploring multipath binding support for PMIPv6. I do=
 =0A=
have some comments on the content of the draft.=0A=
=0A=
The example call flow in the draft is extremely confusing. Figure 1 shows L=
TE =0A=
and DSL as the access technologies and I am assuming the CPE/RG is where th=
e =0A=
MAG functionality is going to reside. If this is the case, why is WLAN bein=
g =0A=
shown like an uplink technology? Can you please clarify?=0A=
=0A=
Also the term "hybrid access" is used in the draft without being defined. I=
 =0A=
think it would make sense to define it, refer to an existing definition, or=
 =0A=
reword. I am guessing lot of the confusion people are having regarding the =
=0A=
relationship this has to BBF work is related to the use of this term.=0A=
=0A=
Thanks=0A=
Suresh=0A=
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I support the draft.

Will there be follow-up on Alex's question - to discuss whether to add the =
use of LCMP in UPN?

H Anthony Chan

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Yes, that's what I intended to ask.

Alex

Le 01/12/2015 15:59, Dhananjay Patki (dhpatki) a =E9crit :
> Hi Alex,
>
> The PBAs are only in response to the PBUs. If the parameters need to=20
> be sent from the LMA to the MAG in an unsolicited manner to override=20
> previously assigned values, then they could be included in Update=20
> Notification message per RFC 7077. Is that what you intended to ask?
> --
> Regards,
> Dhananjay
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alexandre Petrescu=20
> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 8:19 pm
> To: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
>
>> I support this draft.
>>
>> Let me ask: will it be possible for the LMA to send BAcks in an=20
>> unsolicited manner?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> Le 25/11/2015 17:02, Dapeng Liu a =E9crit :
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params:
>>>
>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-p
>>> arams Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd=20
>>> like to confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2=20
>>> weeks.
>>>
>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ------
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> ------
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>
>>>
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Hi,

I support this draft.

As a followup to the previous inquiry by Alex, I also noticed that only 
the synchronous configuration is explained in the draft.
Maybe, the asynchronous configuration should also be addressed ?

Regards,
IRU

On 12/10/2015 1:05 PM, h chan wrote:
> I support the draft.
>
> Will there be follow-up on Alex's question - to discuss whether to add the use of LCMP in UPN?
>
> H Anthony Chan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Alexandre Petrescu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 9:04 AM
> To: Dhananjay Patki (dhpatki)
> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
>
> Yes, that's what I intended to ask.
>
> Alex
>
> Le 01/12/2015 15:59, Dhananjay Patki (dhpatki) a écrit :
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> The PBAs are only in response to the PBUs. If the parameters need to
>> be sent from the LMA to the MAG in an unsolicited manner to override
>> previously assigned values, then they could be included in Update
>> Notification message per RFC 7077. Is that what you intended to ask?
>> --
>> Regards,
>> Dhananjay
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Alexandre Petrescu
>> <alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, 1 December 2015 8:19 pm
>> To: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation:
>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params
>>
>>> I support this draft.
>>>
>>> Let me ask: will it be possible for the LMA to send BAcks in an
>>> unsolicited manner?
>>>
>>> Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 25/11/2015 17:02, Dapeng Liu a écrit :
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
>>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params:
>>>>
>>>> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-p
>>>> arams Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd
>>>> like to confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2
>>>> weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> ------
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dapeng&Jouni
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>>
>>>> ------
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dapeng Liu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>
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Hi Suresh,

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Suresh Krishnan
> Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 10 d=E9cembre 2015 00:39
> =C0=A0: Dapeng Liu; dmm
> Objet=A0: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption confirmation: draft-seite-dmm-rg-mu=
ltihoming-
> 02
>=20
>=20
> On 11/25/2015 05:22 PM, Dapeng Liu wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> > draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> > http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> > Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> > confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> > Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
>=20
> I am generally open to exploring multipath binding support for PMIPv6. I =
do have
> some comments on the content of the draft.
>=20
> The example call flow in the draft is extremely confusing. Figure 1 shows=
 LTE and
> DSL as the access technologies and I am assuming the CPE/RG is where the =
MAG
> functionality is going to reside. If this is the case, why is WLAN being =
shown like
> an uplink technology? Can you please clarify?
>=20

Access technologies are only examples but I agree we should keep the same e=
xample across the document to avoid confusion.

RG shall be removed, only MAG will be used in next release.

> Also the term "hybrid access" is used in the draft without being defined.=
 I think it
> would make sense to define it, refer to an existing definition, or reword=
. I am
> guessing lot of the confusion people are having regarding the relationshi=
p this has
> to BBF work is related to the use of this term.
>=20

Agreed. This term shall be removed.

Thanks

> Thanks
> Suresh
>=20
>=20
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2015-12-03 3:02 GMT+08:00 Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>:

> Hi Jouni,
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen <jouni.nospam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D. MCoA is
> a
> > feature that we still lack..
> >
>
> Are you sure?
>
> MCoA is solved in Netext Flow Mobility draft,
>
> draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14
>
> is the latest draft.
>
> BTW there was an issue in WG adoption call in IETF 93 in Yokohama. The
> chair asked only those who accept. The chair unfortunately did not ask
> those who oppose.
>
> As you know, if the chair wishes to ask a single question then the
> right one is any opposes.
>
>
Hi Behcet,
As said during the meeting, the final call for adoption will be made on the
mailing list.  Not all the people who is interested in this work attended
the meeting. The question that asked during the meeting only to get
 general sense of the room for the adoption.

Thansk,
Dapeng



> Regards,
>
> Behcet
> > The document itself still needs quite a bit of work. For example, I
> wonder
> > if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option fiels
> > descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple small nits
> > like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly editorials. I
> have
> > no problem with the technical solution.
> >
> > - Jouni
> >
> >
> >
> > 11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:
> >> draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> >> <http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02>:
> >> http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> >> Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We'd like to
> >> confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.
> >> Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December 9.
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> ------
> >> Best Regards,
> >> Dapeng&Jouni
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >>
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> >> Best Regards,
> >> Dapeng Liu
> >>
> >>
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te">2015-12-03 3:02 GMT+08:00 Behcet Sarikaya <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sarikaya2012@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;</span>:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi Jouni,<br>
<span class=3D""><br>
<br>
On Tue, Dec 1, 2015 at 6:41 PM, Jouni Korhonen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jouni.=
nospam@gmail.com">jouni.nospam@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; As an individual contributor I support the adoption of this I-D. MCoA =
is a<br>
&gt; feature that we still lack..<br>
&gt;<br>
<br>
</span>Are you sure?<br>
<br>
MCoA is solved in Netext Flow Mobility draft,<br>
<br>
draft-ietf-netext-pmipv6-flowmob-14<br>
<br>
is the latest draft.<br>
<br>
BTW there was an issue in WG adoption call in IETF 93 in Yokohama. The<br>
chair asked only those who accept. The chair unfortunately did not ask<br>
those who oppose.<br>
<br>
As you know, if the chair wishes to ask a single question then the<br>
right one is any opposes.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Hi Behcet,=C2=A0</div><div>As said dur=
ing the meeting, the final call for adoption will be made on the mailing li=
st.=C2=A0 Not all the people who is interested in this work attended the me=
eting. The question that asked during the meeting only to get =C2=A0general=
=C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">sense=C2=A0</span><span style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(80,0,80)">of the room for the adoption.</span></div><div><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(80=
,0,80)">Thansk,</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(80,0,80)">Dapeng<=
/span></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-colo=
r:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
Regards,<br>
<br>
Behcet<br>
<div class=3D""><div class=3D"h5">&gt; The document itself still needs quit=
e a bit of work. For example, I wonder<br>
&gt; if the caption for Figure 2 is correct. Also, Section 4.1. option fiel=
s<br>
&gt; descriptions are somewhat broken it seems. And so on multiple small ni=
ts<br>
&gt; like unexpanded acronyms etc. However, these are mainly editorials. I =
have<br>
&gt; no problem with the technical solution.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; - Jouni<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 11/25/2015, 8:22 AM, Dapeng Liu kirjoitti:<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Hello all,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; In IETF94, we initiated the call for adoption for the draft:<br>
&gt;&gt; draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02<br>
&gt;&gt; &lt;<a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multi=
homing-02" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02</a>&gt;:<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"http://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihomi=
ng-02" rel=3D"noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://tools.ietf.org/html/draf=
t-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02</a><br>
&gt;&gt; Seems have got sufficient support during the meeting. We&#39;d lik=
e to<br>
&gt;&gt; confirm the call for adoption in the mailing list for 2 weeks.<br>
&gt;&gt; Please send your opinion and comments to the list before December =
9.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; Thanks,<br>
&gt;&gt; ------<br>
&gt;&gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt;&gt; Dapeng&amp;Jouni<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; --<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; ------<br>
&gt;&gt; Best Regards,<br>
&gt;&gt; Dapeng Liu<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt;&gt; dmm mailing list<br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm" rel=3D"noref=
errer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; dmm mailing list<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm" rel=3D"noreferre=
r" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm</a><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br>=
<div class=3D"gmail_signature"><br>------<br>Best Regards,<br>Dapeng Liu</d=
iv>
</div></div>

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Folks,

The WG adoption call for all three I-Ds have completed:
	draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00
	draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
	draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02

The adoption for the first two was unanimous. The last (draft-seita-*) 
received few concerns but the number of supporters was enough to 
convince the chairs there is enough interest and support to work on it. 
The chairs encourage the authors of draft-seite-* to pay close attention 
and work out the concerns raised during the adoption call.

For the I-D authors. Please, submit draft-ietf-*-00 versions of the 
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- Jouni & Dapeng


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
 This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management Working Group of the IETF.

        Title           : MAG Multipath Binding Option
        Authors         : Pierrick Seite
                          Alper Yegin
                          Sri Gundavelli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-mag-multihoming-00.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2015-12-16

Abstract:
   The document [RFC4908] proposes to rely on multiple Care-of Addresses
   (CoAs) capabilities of Mobile IP [RFC6275] an Network Mobility (NEMO;
   [RFC3963]) to enable Multihoming technology for Small-Scale Fixed
   Networks.  In the continuation of [RFC4908], this document specifies
   a multiple proxy Care-of Addresses (pCoAs) extension for Proxy Mobile
   IPv6 [RFC5213].  This extension allows a multihomed Mobile Access
   Gateway (MAG) to register more than one proxy care-of-address to the
   Local Mobility Anchor (LMA).


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
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        Title           : LMA Controlled MAG Session Parameters
        Authors         : Dhananjay Patki
                          Sri Gundavelli
                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
                          Qiao Fu
                          Lyle T Bertz
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00.txt
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	Date            : 2015-12-16

Abstract:
   This specification defines a new extension, LMA-Controlled-MAG-
   Session-Params to Proxy Mobile IPv6.  This option can be used by the
   LMA in PMIPv6 signaling for notifying the MAG to conform to various
   parameters contained in this extension.


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        Title           : Home Network Prefix Renumbering in PMIPv6
        Authors         : Zhiwei Yan
                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
                          Xiaodong Lee
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-hnprenum-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2015-12-16

Abstract:
   In the basic Proxy Mobile IPv6 (PMIPv6) specification, a Mobile Node
   (MN) is assigned with a 64-bit Home Network Prefix (HNP) during its
   initial attachment for the Home Address (HoA) configuration.  During
   the movement of the MN, this prefix remains unchanged and in this way
   it is unnecessary for the MN to reconfigure its HoA and reconnect the
   ongoing communications.  However, the current protocol (RFC5213) does
   not specify related operations to support the MN to timely receive
   and use a new HNP when the allocated HNP changes.  In this draft, a
   solution to support the HNP renumbering is proposed, as an update of
   RFC5213.



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Hi Jouni, all,

Although I'm already late, I just wanted to express my post-adoption
call to the three drafts.

Carlos

On Wed, 2015-12-16 at 08:32 -0800, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
> Folks,
> 
> The WG adoption call for all three I-Ds have completed:
> 	draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00
> 	draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
> 	draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
> 
> The adoption for the first two was unanimous. The last (draft-seita-
> *) 
> received few concerns but the number of supporters was enough to 
> convince the chairs there is enough interest and support to work on
> it. 
> The chairs encourage the authors of draft-seite-* to pay close
> attention 
> and work out the concerns raised during the adoption call.
> 
> For the I-D authors. Please, submit draft-ietf-*-00 versions of the 
> documents as soon as possible.
> 
> - Jouni & Dapeng
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Hi Jouni, all,

Let me ask what is the point in maintaining the protocols that no one uses?
For academic purposes? If yes, then they should find their places in
the conferences or journals.

Now, mip4 WG has been closed. So is dmm going to maintain mip4 as well?

Regards,

Behcet

On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano
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>
> Although I'm already late, I just wanted to express my post-adoption
> call to the three drafts.
>
> Carlos
>
> On Wed, 2015-12-16 at 08:32 -0800, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>> Folks,
>>
>> The WG adoption call for all three I-Ds have completed:
>>       draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00
>>       draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
>>       draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>
>> The adoption for the first two was unanimous. The last (draft-seita-
>> *)
>> received few concerns but the number of supporters was enough to
>> convince the chairs there is enough interest and support to work on
>> it.
>> The chairs encourage the authors of draft-seite-* to pay close
>> attention
>> and work out the concerns raised during the adoption call.
>>
>> For the I-D authors. Please, submit draft-ietf-*-00 versions of the
>> documents as soon as possible.
>>
>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>
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On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 3:56 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
<sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
> Beat the protocol any time things don=C2=B9t go our way.
>
>
> Published September 14, 2015
>
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> https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-sarikaya-nvo3-vmm-dmm-pmip-07.txt
>

Have you read that draft? Here is the abstract:

This document specifies a virtual machine mobility protocol in data
   centers built with overlay-based network virtualization approach.
   The protocol is based on using NVA-NVE protocol to update ARP table
   or neighbor cache entries at the NVA and the source NVEs tunneling
   in-flight packets to the destination NVE after the virtual machine
   moves from source NVE to the destination NVE.

It has nothing to do with PMIP, we just forgot to change the draft title.
In any case the draft was not submitted as a maintenance draft to dmm.


> I wonder why ? Academic interest ?
>

As you may know I was professor for many years. So I know what
academic interest means.

Behcet
>
>
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> On 12/21/15, 9:46 AM, "dmm on behalf of Behcet Sarikaya"
> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of sarikaya2012@gmail.com> wrote:
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Behcet,

Thank you for your constructive comments. I believe academic =
conferences/journals are not appropriate venues for PMIPv6/MIPv6 =
maintenance since these protocol families are already past their prime =
time as =E2=80=9Chot research topics". Looking at the existing charter I =
cannot find too much love towards anything IPv4 so I think we can let =
MIPv4 finally rest in peace.

- Jouni


> On 21 Dec 2015, at 09:46, Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> =
wrote:
>=20
> Hi Jouni, all,
>=20
> Let me ask what is the point in maintaining the protocols that no one =
uses?
> For academic purposes? If yes, then they should find their places in
> the conferences or journals.
>=20
> Now, mip4 WG has been closed. So is dmm going to maintain mip4 as =
well?
>=20
> Regards,
>=20
> Behcet
>=20
> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano
> <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>> Hi Jouni, all,
>>=20
>> Although I'm already late, I just wanted to express my post-adoption
>> call to the three drafts.
>>=20
>> Carlos
>>=20
>> On Wed, 2015-12-16 at 08:32 -0800, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>> Folks,
>>>=20
>>> The WG adoption call for all three I-Ds have completed:
>>>      draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00
>>>      draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
>>>      draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>=20
>>> The adoption for the first two was unanimous. The last (draft-seita-
>>> *)
>>> received few concerns but the number of supporters was enough to
>>> convince the chairs there is enough interest and support to work on
>>> it.
>>> The chairs encourage the authors of draft-seite-* to pay close
>>> attention
>>> and work out the concerns raised during the adoption call.
>>>=20
>>> For the I-D authors. Please, submit draft-ietf-*-00 versions of the
>>> documents as soon as possible.
>>>=20
>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>=20
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Hi Jouni,


On Mon, Dec 21, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Jouni <jouni.nospam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Behcet,
>
> Thank you for your constructive comments. I believe academic conferences/=
journals are not appropriate venues for PMIPv6/MIPv6 maintenance since thes=
e protocol families are already past their prime time as =E2=80=9Chot resea=
rch topics".

Are you second guessing conference/journal decision people? Again,
with my academic background I can say that we should stay away from
such things.

Another implication of what you seem to be saying is that these poor
guys can not publish in conferences/journals, dmm should give them a
refuge?

Of course ISE could be a channel, just say go to ISE.

> Looking at the existing charter

As you know charters can be modified. Especially charter items are
easy to be modified, i.e. probably no need to go to IESG. I have seen
chairs modifying charter items, with AD approval.

> I cannot find too much love towards anything IPv4 so I think we can let M=
IPv4 finally rest in peace.

Maybe that's your thinking, other people may have different opinion.

Behcet
>
> - Jouni
>
>
>> On 21 Dec 2015, at 09:46, Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>
>> Hi Jouni, all,
>>
>> Let me ask what is the point in maintaining the protocols that no one us=
es?
>> For academic purposes? If yes, then they should find their places in
>> the conferences or journals.
>>
>> Now, mip4 WG has been closed. So is dmm going to maintain mip4 as well?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Behcet
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 18, 2015 at 5:45 AM, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano
>> <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>> Hi Jouni, all,
>>>
>>> Although I'm already late, I just wanted to express my post-adoption
>>> call to the three drafts.
>>>
>>> Carlos
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2015-12-16 at 08:32 -0800, Jouni Korhonen wrote:
>>>> Folks,
>>>>
>>>> The WG adoption call for all three I-Ds have completed:
>>>>      draft-gundavelli-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00
>>>>      draft-yan-dmm-hnprenum-03
>>>>      draft-seite-dmm-rg-multihoming-02
>>>>
>>>> The adoption for the first two was unanimous. The last (draft-seita-
>>>> *)
>>>> received few concerns but the number of supporters was enough to
>>>> convince the chairs there is enough interest and support to work on
>>>> it.
>>>> The chairs encourage the authors of draft-seite-* to pay close
>>>> attention
>>>> and work out the concerns raised during the adoption call.
>>>>
>>>> For the I-D authors. Please, submit draft-ietf-*-00 versions of the
>>>> documents as soon as possible.
>>>>
>>>> - Jouni & Dapeng
>>>>
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