From nobody Wed Mar 2 04:45:18 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61D3F1B316F; Wed, 2 Mar 2016 04:45:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.15.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160302124515.13081.74560.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 04:45:15 -0800 Archived-At: Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-mag-multihoming-01.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2016 12:45:15 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management of the IETF. Title : MAG Multipath Binding Option Authors : Pierrick Seite Alper Yegin Sri Gundavelli Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-mag-multihoming-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2016-03-02 Abstract: The document [RFC4908] proposes to rely on multiple Care-of Addresses (CoAs) capabilities of Mobile IP [RFC6275] an Network Mobility (NEMO; [RFC3963]) to enable Multihoming technology for Small-Scale Fixed Networks. In the continuation of [RFC4908], this document specifies a multiple proxy Care-of Addresses (pCoAs) extension for Proxy Mobile IPv6 [RFC5213]. This extension allows a multihomed Mobile Access Gateway (MAG) to register more than one proxy care-of-address to the Local Mobility Anchor (LMA). The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-mag-multihoming/ There's also a htmlized version available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-mag-multihoming-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dmm-mag-multihoming-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Mar 12 09:12:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9758312DDFD; Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:05:32 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.16.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160311230532.15028.37317.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 15:05:32 -0800 Archived-At: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sat, 12 Mar 2016 09:12:55 -0800 Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] dmm - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 95 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2016 23:05:34 -0000 Dear Jouni Korhonen, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. dmm Session 1 (2:30:00) Monday, Morning Session I 1000-1230 Room Name: Quebracho A size: 75 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management Area Name: Internet Area Session Requester: Jouni Korhonen Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2.5 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: dime detnet Second Priority: mif 6man v6ops Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Mar 14 03:05:33 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DDF812D537 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:05:32 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Mu9V-r3AmvQo for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT004-OMC2S4.hotmail.com (snt004-omc2s4.hotmail.com [65.55.90.79]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 19E9412D533 for ; Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:05:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: from SNT404-EAS70 ([65.55.90.71]) by SNT004-OMC2S4.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 14 Mar 2016 03:05:29 -0700 X-TMN: [5rIblqc9PsimDdJGyZPU4qVjiKE3Q5LT] X-Originating-Email: [fuqiao1@outlook.com] Message-ID: From: fuqiao To: "'dmm'" Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 18:05:25 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 15.0 Thread-Index: AdF92AQGivH30zOBQ6+JCTy8nrdulQ== Content-Language: zh-cn X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Mar 2016 10:05:29.0203 (UTC) FILETIME=[098C7430:01D17DD9] Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] FW: New Version Notification for draft-pularikkal-virtual-cpe-00.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2016 10:05:32 -0000 Hi, all. I have just posted a new draft about VCPE deployment. The = deployment and adoption of VCPE has been widely discussed by operators. = This draft proposed 3 models for the vCPE deployment, in which FPC = should be used for the interfaces for CP/DP decoupling of vCPE. Detail = vCPE deployment consideration is also discussed.=20 Your comments are more than welcome.=20 -----=E9=82=AE=E4=BB=B6=E5=8E=9F=E4=BB=B6----- =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org = [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 =E5=8F=91=E9=80=81=E6=97=B6=E9=97=B4: 2016=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=8814=E6=97=A5 = 17:58 =E6=94=B6=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: DENG Hui; Byju Pularikkal; Hui Deng; Qiao = Fu; Ganesh Sundaram; Sri Gundavelli =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: New Version Notification for = draft-pularikkal-virtual-cpe-00.txt A new version of I-D, draft-pularikkal-virtual-cpe-00.txt has been successfully submitted by Qiao Fu and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-pularikkal-virtual-cpe Revision: 00 Title: Virtual CPE Deployment Considerations Document date: 2016-03-14 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 15 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-pularikkal-virtual-cpe-00.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-pularikkal-virtual-cpe/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-pularikkal-virtual-cpe-00 Abstract: Broadband Service Provider Industry has been gearing towards the adoption of Virtual CPE (vCPE) solutions. The concept of vCPE is build around the idea that the physical CPE device at the customer premises can be simplified by moving some of the key feature functionalities from the physical CPE device to the Service Provider Network. This document starts discussing the drivers behind vCPE adoption followed by Solution level requirements. Two key Architecture models for vCPE, which can address the service provider and subscriber requirements, are covered in this reference document. Document also touches up on some of the key deployment considerations, which can influence the adoption of the vCPE architecture models. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. 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Your comments will be appreciated. Regards, Behcet A new version of I-D, draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi-04.txt has been successfully submitted by Behcet Sarikaya and posted to the IETF repository. Name: draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi Revision: 04 Title: Distributed Mobility Management Protocol for WiFi Users in Fixed Network Document date: 2016-03-15 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 23 URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi-04.txt Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi/ Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi-04 Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-sarikaya-dmm-for-wifi-04 Abstract: As networks are moving towards flat architectures, a distributed approach is needed to mobility management. This document defines a distributed mobility management protocol called Distributed Mobility Management for Wi-Fi protocol. The protocol is based on mobility aware virtualized routing system with software-defined network support. Routing is in Layer 2 in the access network and in Layer 3 in the core network. Smart phones access the network over IEEE 802.11 (Wi-Fi) interface and can move in home, hotspot and enterprise buildings. Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Added part is Section 2.3 "Gaps in the consistency with the default = address selection", describing the need of the proposed indication = mechanism in the consistency with the defined rules in RFC 6724. For = your convenience, the added text is as follows. Let me have your = comments on the update. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------- 2.3. Gaps in the consistency with the default address selection The need of an indication mechanism can be sought in the consistency with the former IETF standards. For example, in [RFC6724] where default behavior for IPv6 is specified, without a proper indication mechanism, following conflicts are expected to happen. In Rule 6 in [RFC6724], it is said that the matching label between source address of an IPv6 host and destination address is preferred among combinations between other source addresses and destination address, where the label is a numeric value representing policies that prefer a particular source address prefix for use with a destination address prefix in [RFC6724]. In Rule 8 in [RFC6724], it is said that the longest matching prefix between source address of an IPv6 host and destination address is preferred among combinations between other source addresses and destination address. Following Rules 6 and 8, selection of a prefix may be different from the application's preference that it wants to get connected, e.g. in terms of optimal routing over the described distributed environments. -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----------------------------------- [RFC6724] Thaler, D., Ed., Draves, R., Matsumoto, A., and T. Chown, "Default Address Selection for Internet Protocol Version 6 (IPv6)", RFC 6724, DOI 10.17487/RFC6724, September 2012, . Regards, Seil Jeon -----Original Message----- From: internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]=20 Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2016 1:41 AM To: John Kaippallimalil ; Younghan Kim = ; Seil Jeon ; Young-Han Kim = ; Sergio Figueiredo Subject: New Version Notification for = draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source-03.txt A new version of I-D, draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source-03.txt has been successfully submitted by Seil Jeon and posted to the IETF = repository. Name: draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source Revision: 03 Title: Use Cases and API Extension for Source IP Address Selection Document date: 2016-03-21 Group: Individual Submission Pages: 8 URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-sourc= e-03.txt Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source/ Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source-03 Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source= -03 Abstract: This draft specifies and analyzes the expected cases regarding the selection of a proper source IP address and address type based on the application features over a distributed mobility management (DMM) network. It also provides available selection methods to better achieve DMM goals in the specified scenarios. = =20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. The IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Mar 21 14:15:28 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E292612DB7E; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 14:15:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.17.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160321211526.12235.48886.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 14:15:26 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-02.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 21:15:27 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management of the IETF. Title : Protocol for Forwarding Policy Configuration (FPC) in DMM Authors : Marco Liebsch Satoru Matsushima Sri Gundavelli Danny Moses Lyle Bertz Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-02.txt Pages : 67 Date : 2016-03-21 Abstract: This specification supports the separation of the Control-Plane for mobility- and session management from the Data-Plane. The protocol semantics abstract the configuration of Data-Plane nodes and applies it between a Client function, which is used by an application of the mobility Control-Plane, and an Agent function, which is associated with the configuration of Data-Plane nodes, according to the Data- Plane rules issued by the mobility Control-Plane. The scope of the rules comprises traffic description and treatment of packets in terms of encapsulation, IP address re-writing and QoS. Additional protocol semantics are described to support the maintenance of the Data-Plane path. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 21 16:16:03 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4EFA012D18E; Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:15:57 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.17.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <20160321231557.12255.18558.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:15:57 -0700 Archived-At: Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-03.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 23:15:57 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management of the IETF. Title : Protocol for Forwarding Policy Configuration (FPC) in DMM Authors : Marco Liebsch Satoru Matsushima Sri Gundavelli Danny Moses Lyle Bertz Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-03.txt Pages : 67 Date : 2016-03-21 Abstract: This specification supports the separation of the Control-Plane for mobility- and session management from the Data-Plane. The protocol semantics abstract the configuration of Data-Plane nodes and applies it between a Client function, which is used by an application of the mobility Control-Plane, and an Agent function, which is associated with the configuration of Data-Plane nodes, according to the Data- Plane rules issued by the mobility Control-Plane. The scope of the rules comprises traffic description and treatment of packets in terms of encapsulation, IP address re-writing and QoS. Additional protocol semantics are described to support the maintenance of the Data-Plane path. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Mar 25 11:59:57 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A19C312D18B for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:59:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ZqpGMp90j-K for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:59:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qk0-x234.google.com (mail-qk0-x234.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c09::234]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C87E112D0ED for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qk0-x234.google.com with SMTP id o6so37243690qkc.2 for ; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:59:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id :subject:from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ok0mGTz0jt96e/1+fgYpFb9pAgEJ0NpE8RZj+9B6dIs=; b=iWQ70NwSB1x1Zy/E5Qt9V+Og/nhWdAaAPq58dgHilzRRLPSk7d/qB9ocZQ1e8dQLKP eVyDT2cSyK4UKhPiGk4/qWwPNCZZ+BNde9Ngh4qmhqltCvlVz5m6ku63Auh6wy11jMqg 3iTzCCU1HyNGLalgNc5Fg6HHSxAAZAlimBMsZ2zBBdu96slqdIRyu2+QyFvsiFnF+shh xNksScwZaqpM+tljJrFhvHLJZAgNbCye8uqwef4hfwL8Mi9xTAWEfrfT1+c2SCQtILCm f93eQi8RqV2sQsm/6Hb493cqjDlVJLRASAgXmYLw2+vF3gY6ybKSYHF8flyk5ZyEDwzU k8WA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:reply-to:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Ok0mGTz0jt96e/1+fgYpFb9pAgEJ0NpE8RZj+9B6dIs=; b=Ztfci5dli1+kFjonR9zTJKB4g9jaVf73ZblEExrnkgqhp1EfNX6+Mlc05MeMsGNoR4 mjeVNTPSBEhf8mXQSOVOF+2nsIPotHLHY5u9D1vVr4Gib5MS8KTy8XGmvbE9NeUxByYS cnSGQO4JdID69w6iaK1e/wlENsWGZ2A+uRgEHjpps/DBgf3yMo/eEqcolmm9ztuGsmCT uZZihbnaN68VBtLfhpuC1oGHROsp+XbQD6Wvy1loWTGn8oXB1/6s+Eibc2E2InGPvwoF 25+f+PXM0YdEyiPrqyfj354MG/pE6+BYFhqw/Pg0owT8o/We3j67JnjGUAzBx330cp9x /ViA== X-Gm-Message-State: AD7BkJLHUgzW/VThpYZkUbveaG/Z7LrzqT16jyW7TgNmwqE2+RaVX50XVcxTDsDf0d5MWYrSJuLB/c1refbuFg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.72.196 with SMTP id v187mr19055757qka.97.1458932391896; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:59:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.233.237.84 with HTTP; Fri, 25 Mar 2016 11:59:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <565DE1DD.2070007@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 13:59:51 -0500 Message-ID: From: Behcet Sarikaya To: Dave Dolson Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Cc: "dmm@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2016 18:59:56 -0000 Hi Danny, I was reading Dave's concerns. In my view the real problem in this draft is not with the nomadic IP address, actually Dave's concern was very syntactic. I have a semantic concern with the sustained IP address. What really is this? Sustained IP address is very important for this draft because everything is based on that. Reading Section 3.1, Sustained IP Address is kind of a banana, it has the taste that the beholder wants to get. It could be Fixed IP Address or nomadic. If Sustained IP Address gets me what I want, i.e. IP session continuity, why do I need anything else? It says in the draft, it may be configured by using access network anchoring, corresponding network anchoring, or something else, whatever that is? Which access network are you talking about? Is it good old 3GPP? Then, the answer is yes but then what type of new solution is this? I think what this draft is trying to say is if I am in 3GPP coverage area I use 3GPP anchoring, if I am in Wi-Fi coverage area, I use MIPv6. Is this what you had in mind? I do not recall under which category does this draft fall? Is it a maintenance type of draft? Or is it dmm type of draft? Regards, Behcet On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Dave Dolson wrote: > >From an application developer's point of view, I don't think there shoul= d be a distinction about roaming between providers or with the same provide= r. > It should work with WiFi, mobile, even wired Ethernet. > E.g., as I unplug my laptop from work, use the 3G stick on the train, WiF= i in the coffee shop and plug in wired Ethernet at home. I could have a fix= ed address as well as several temporary (no guarantee) addresses. > > I'm not saying all of those access technologies need to have implementati= on of all types of addresses. > One might only get a fixed address from one of those providers, all the o= thers being no-guarantee. > > -Dave > > ________________________________________ > From: Moses, Danny [danny.moses@intel.com] > Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:05 AM > To: Dave Dolson; dmm@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 > > Hi Dave, > > Regarding the term "Nomadic" IP address: > Actually, this draft is about enhancements to the Socket API that are use= ful in relation with movement of the mobile host. Its intent was to notify = the access network as to the type of IP session continuity it requires upon= movement between LANs. The idea is to reduce the network support for sessi= on continuity (via PMIP, GTP, etc) when it is not needed. This draft is not= dealing with devices migrating from one service provider to another as oth= er issues should be handled in such scenario. > > "Local" is not good as it clashes with IPv6 Local addresses. > > The best term in my mind would be: "An IP address without any NW guarante= e to continue to be valid after a potential host movement to a new LAN with= a different IP prefix". So far, we could not come with a good name for suc= h an address. May be "Guarantee-less"? > > Let's not forget: this is going to be used by application developers who = do not necessarily fully understand how networks allocate IP addresses and = maintain their validity. > > Regarding when On-Demand resolution occurs (Point 6): > How about if we say: > > If applications want to influence the type of IP address their generated = traffic will use, they must do so after creating a Socket and prior to gene= rating the first transmitted packet. > > We do not want to be too specific since it is not a user's manual. > > Does this sound reasonable to you? > > Thanks, > /Danny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Dolson [mailto:ddolson@sandvine.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 22:46 > To: Moses, Danny; dmm@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 > > Danny and Alper, > Thanks. I hope your helpful explanations below make it into the draft as = well. > > > On the "nomadic address" question, this name really feels wrong to me. Th= e address doesn't move and hence isn't nomadic. > You don't like "ephemeral" because it doesn't convey movement. > But a question, does the host have to move for the principles of this doc= ument to apply? > Couldn't a host get a new address (perhaps from a different wireless prov= ider) without moving? > Maybe "non-nomadic address" or "provider-local address" ? > > > On point 6, yes I think you have to specify when the resolution occurs, s= ince it affects which functions return error codes. > I don't think the local address can be resolved before connect(), since t= he choice of local address may depend on the remote address to connect. E.g= ., connections to a peer on a local LAN subnet need to use an address on th= at interface. > > > -Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moses, Danny [mailto:danny.moses@intel.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:13 AM > To: Dave Dolson; dmm@ietf.org > Subject: RE: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 > > Hi Dave, > > Sorry for the very late response. Somehow we missed the original email an= d were reminded by Jouni (Thanks Jouni). > > Anyway, thank you for the thorough and helpful comments. We have produced= a new version and will publish it shortly. > > Please see further details to your comments: > > Dave> > 1. Was the term "Nomadic" discussed? To me, a nomadic thing moves around,= but in this draft, Nomadic IP addresses do not move around; they are repla= ced. "Ephemeral IP Address" might convey the idea more clearly. > > Reply> > "Nomadic" was discussed, it is not the best name but we could not find a = better one. > What 'moves around' is the mobile host and as a result of that movement, = its source IP address might become obsolete (when it moves from its origina= l LAN to another with a different prefix). An application on a mobile host = requires a 'Nomadic' IP address when it does not care for the IP continuity= guarantee services provided by the network. This is either because it know= s that the mobile host is not really mobile, or because it has other means = of maintaining session continuity and does not want the overhead associated= with network-provided IP continuity services. > > The term 'Ephemeral' is not associated with movement - we think it is bet= ter to have a 'movement'-related name. > > Dave> > 2. I know this is really picky, but it wouldn't hurt to spell out "REQUIR= E" in IPV6_REQ_FIXED_IP etc. > - IPV6_REQUIRE_FIXED_IP in parallel with IPV6_PREFER_SRC_PUBLIC > > Reply> > Make sense. Will be changed in the next version. > > Dave> > 3. There is a "TDB" in section 3.4. "TBD: Disallow this case?" This need= s to be resolved. I suggest the most restrictive flag applies. > > Reply> > This is about whether to enable the application to set more than one flag= or not per a given socket. We left that for discussion in the draft but ne= ver resolved it. > > We prefer not to enable setting more than one flag since it add complexit= y. The application can check the returned code and act upon it. For example= , if it uses setsockopt() with IPV6_REQUIRE_FIXED_IP and the call returns w= ith an error code, it can re-attempt with IPV6_REQUEST_SUSTAINED_IP or IPV6= _REQUEST_NOMADIC_IP (or without the flags - in case they are not supported = by the network). > > So we are replacing the original text: > More than one of these flags may be set on the same socket. In that case,= an IP address compliant with any one of them shall be selected. > TBD: Disallow this case? > > With: > Only one flag of these flags may be set on the same socket. If an applica= tion attempts to set more than one flag, the most recent setting will be th= e one in effect. > > Dave> > 4. Must resolve "Application of this solution to IPv4 is TBD." > - clearly the socket option is IPV6_something, but... > - there is uncharted territory surrounding IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses (h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291#section-2.5.5.2 ), when socket option IP= V6_V6ONLY is false. > - I think the goal should be that the API *does* apply to IPv4 via IPv4-= mapped-IPv6 addresses, while acknowledging that the operating system or net= work may not be able to fulfill the request. > - I.e., permit the application to request constraints on IPv4, but al= so expect the application to try for a relaxed address if the initial reque= st fails. > - I see no need to support the API with AF_INET sockets, since AF_INET6 = can be used with IPV6_ONLY=3Dfalse and IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses. > > Reply> > Actually, the charter of DMM addresses IPv6 only. So we are removing the = text that refers to IPv4 altogether. If we see in the future a need to addr= ess IPv4, we will do so in a separate draft. > > Dave> > 5. The error codes are not clearly defined. What is the errno for failure= of setsockopt() and others? > > Reply> > True. > > We added the following text at the end of section 3.4: > > The following new error codes are also defined in the document and will b= e used in Socket API in compliance with the [RFC5014]: > EAI_REQUIREIPNOTSUPPORTED /*The network does not support the ability to r= equest that IP address type */ EAI_REQUIREIPFAILED /* The network could not= assign the specific IP address type */ > > Dave> > 6. I'm unclear on when the on-demand resolution occurs? I don't think it = can be done at the time of setsockopt(); as I understand it, the addresses = are resolved later, at connect() or listen(). I'm not sure about this, but = it should be explained. If the resolution is done at connect() time, is a n= ew errno required? > > Reply> > The addresses should be resolved before connect() or listen() in order to= avoid unnecessary delay caused by the need to request the address from the= network (with DHCP - for example). Furthermore, UDP should also be support= ed, hence connect() or listen() may not be used. There for, they must be re= solved at setsockopt() prior to the above calls. Do you see any problem wit= h that? > > Do you think text should be added to clarify this? > > Dave> > 7. Some socket interfaces are not mentioned. What about sendto(), sendmsg= (), which are not connection-oriented? > > Reply> > Both assume that a source IP address was assigned to the host. > If the application invoked setsockopt() successfully prior to attempting = to send a message, the appropriate source IP address type will be used for = the transmitted packets. If not, whatever source IP address assigned to the= host will be used. > > Dave> > 8. In section 4.1, support for legacy applications does not really say ho= w to support legacy applications. > - my opinion: the default (lacking new socket options) should be to requ= ire Fixed for listen() and Sustained for connect(), and Nomadic/Ephemeral f= or non-connected datagrams. > > Reply> > Legacy application will not use these new flags, and as a result, will no= t be able to influence the source IP address type and related mobility supp= ort. As a result, they will behave exactly as applications behave today. > > Clearly there will be some default behavior as to the assigned source IP = address. Today, this depends on the access networks. Cellular networks usua= lly provide Fixed or Sustained source IP addresses, and WiFi networks usual= ly provide Nomadic source IP addresses. > > We do not think we should specify a strict behavior in this case, but rat= her leave it to be implementation-specific. > > Once again, thanks for the good comments. > > Alper and Danny > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dolson > Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 18:42 > To: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org; Dapeng Liu > Subject: Re: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 > > (I haven't paid close attention to the list, so apologies if I'm raising = old issues.) > > 1. Was the term "Nomadic" discussed? To me, a nomadic thing moves around,= but in this draft, Nomadic IP addresses do not move around; they are repla= ced. "Ephemeral IP Address" might convey the idea more clearly. > > 2. I know this is really picky, but it wouldn't hurt to spell out "REQUIR= E" in IPV6_REQ_FIXED_IP etc. > - IPV6_REQUIRE_FIXED_IP in parallel with IPV6_PREFER_SRC_PUBLIC > > 3. There is a "TDB" in section 3.4. "TBD: Disallow this case?" This need= s to be resolved. I suggest the most restrictive flag applies. > > 4. Must resolve "Application of this solution to IPv4 is TBD." > - clearly the socket option is IPV6_something, but... > - there is uncharted territory surrounding IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses (h= ttps://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291#section-2.5.5.2 ), when socket option IP= V6_V6ONLY is false. > - I think the goal should be that the API *does* apply to IPv4 via IPv4-= mapped-IPv6 addresses, while acknowledging that the operating system or net= work may not be able to fulfill the request. > - I.e., permit the application to request constraints on IPv4, but al= so expect the application to try for a relaxed address if the initial reque= st fails. > - I see no need to support the API with AF_INET sockets, since AF_INET6 = can be used with IPV6_ONLY=3Dfalse and IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses. > > 5. The error codes are not clearly defined. What is the errno for failure= of setsockopt() and others? > > 6. I'm unclear on when the on-demand resolution occurs? I don't think it = can be done at the time of setsockopt(); as I understand it, the addresses = are resolved later, at connect() or listen(). I'm not sure about this, but = it should be explained. If the resolution is done at connect() time, is a n= ew errno required? > > 7. Some socket interfaces are not mentioned. What about sendto(), sendmsg= (), which are not connection-oriented? > > 8. In section 4.1, support for legacy applications does not really say ho= w to support legacy applications. > - my opinion: the default (lacking new socket options) should be to requ= ire Fixed for listen() and Sustained for connect(), and Nomadic/Ephemeral f= or non-connected datagrams. > > > > -Dave > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen > Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 1:07 PM > To: dmm@ietf.org; Jouni; Dapeng Liu > Subject: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 > > Folks, > > This mail starts two week WGLC for the I-D: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 > > The WGLC ends 12/15/2015. > > Provide your reviews and comments to the mailing list. 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On Sat, Mar 26, 2016 at 10:31 AM, Moses, Danny wrot= e: > Hi Behcet, > > Please see my reply in the text. > > Thanks, > /Danny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Behcet Sarikaya [mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com] > Sent: Friday, March 25, 2016 22:00 > To: Dave Dolson > Cc: Moses, Danny; dmm@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 > > Hi Danny, > > I was reading Dave's concerns. > In my view the real problem in this draft is not with the nomadic IP addr= ess, actually Dave's concern was very syntactic. > I have a semantic concern with the sustained IP address. > What really is this? > Sustained IP address is very important for this draft because everything = is based on that. > Reading Section 3.1, Sustained IP Address is kind of a banana, it has the= taste that the beholder wants to get. It could be Fixed IP Address or noma= dic. > If Sustained IP Address gets me what I want, i.e. IP session continuity, = why do I need anything else? > > DM> I am not sure I fully understood your comment/question here. I hope m= y reply is sufficient. > DM>I did not understand your attempt to find resemblance between a sustai= ned IP address and a Banana. I also do not understand why you write that it= could be a Fixed IP address or a Nomadic IP address. It certainly cannot. = What should we modify in section 3.1 to make the distinguish between the di= fferent types of services provided to each type of address more clearer? > DM>If a Sustained IP address gets you what you want - choose it when your= application establishes a Socket. If on the other hand, a Nomadic IP addre= ss gets you what you want, choose Nomadic when your application establishes= a Socket. If you only write applications that require Sustained IP address= es, always choose them when establishing Sockets. But, as we claim in the d= raft, there are different types of applications in the sense of the IP sess= ion continuity they require from the network. Behcet: You are assigned an address, how do you know it is Sustained/fixed/nomadic IP address? Next Q: As for nomadic, I understand that I change my address when my network changes, i.e. I avoid having topologically incorrect address. For fixed, I keep my address even if my network changes. What is the sustained address case? I think your draft should better use these types (topologically correct, etc.) concepts to make sense and be understandable. > DM>Some application do not require IP session continuity services from th= e network and should not be required to endure the overhead accompanied by = that service (Tunneling overhead, un-optimal routs etc..). This draft enabl= es application to convey the type of service they require, and may lead to = significant reduction of overhead when the above services are not required. > Behcet: I understand the API extension part of your draft, but I don't understand why you need it. You should clearly explain the use case. Currently, the main idea is to get sustained IP address but it is not explained how the application gets a sustained address because it is not known? Without a clear case, I don't think the extension is warranted. > It says in the draft, it may be configured by using access network anchor= ing, corresponding network anchoring, or something else, whatever that is? > Which access network are you talking about? Is it good old 3GPP? Then, th= e answer is yes but then what type of new solution is this? > DM> This draft does not list the various ways of achieving IP session con= tinuity as required for a Sustained IP address. It's true that current cell= ular networks use tunneling but other methods could be implemented in the f= uture. We do not want to limit the definition of the different services to = a specific radio technology. > > I think what this draft is trying to say is if I am in 3GPP coverage area= I use 3GPP anchoring, if I am in Wi-Fi coverage area, I use MIPv6. Is this= what you had in mind? > DM> Actually it does not say anything about the means of enabling Sustain= ed IP addresses. It only defines what the different services are, and defin= es extension to the existing Socket interface, to enable applications speci= fy the type of IP continuity service they need. > Behcet: Yes but without explaining what is sustained address, I don't think you can justify the extension. So the draft needs a strong justification and use case text. > I do not recall under which category does this draft fall? Is it a mainte= nance type of draft? Or is it dmm type of draft? > DM>It=E2=80=99s a DMM draft > Behcet: So no fixed anchoring in e.g. 3GPP is assumed? > Regards, > > Behcet > > On Sun, Feb 21, 2016 at 8:05 PM, Dave Dolson wrote= : >> >From an application developer's point of view, I don't think there shou= ld be a distinction about roaming between providers or with the same provid= er. >> It should work with WiFi, mobile, even wired Ethernet. >> E.g., as I unplug my laptop from work, use the 3G stick on the train, Wi= Fi in the coffee shop and plug in wired Ethernet at home. I could have a fi= xed address as well as several temporary (no guarantee) addresses. >> >> I'm not saying all of those access technologies need to have implementat= ion of all types of addresses. >> One might only get a fixed address from one of those providers, all the = others being no-guarantee. >> >> -Dave >> >> ________________________________________ >> From: Moses, Danny [danny.moses@intel.com] >> Sent: Sunday, February 21, 2016 10:05 AM >> To: Dave Dolson; dmm@ietf.org >> Subject: RE: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> Regarding the term "Nomadic" IP address: >> Actually, this draft is about enhancements to the Socket API that are us= eful in relation with movement of the mobile host. Its intent was to notify= the access network as to the type of IP session continuity it requires upo= n movement between LANs. The idea is to reduce the network support for sess= ion continuity (via PMIP, GTP, etc) when it is not needed. This draft is no= t dealing with devices migrating from one service provider to another as ot= her issues should be handled in such scenario. >> >> "Local" is not good as it clashes with IPv6 Local addresses. >> >> The best term in my mind would be: "An IP address without any NW guarant= ee to continue to be valid after a potential host movement to a new LAN wit= h a different IP prefix". So far, we could not come with a good name for su= ch an address. May be "Guarantee-less"? >> >> Let's not forget: this is going to be used by application developers who= do not necessarily fully understand how networks allocate IP addresses and= maintain their validity. >> >> Regarding when On-Demand resolution occurs (Point 6): >> How about if we say: >> >> If applications want to influence the type of IP address their generated= traffic will use, they must do so after creating a Socket and prior to gen= erating the first transmitted packet. >> >> We do not want to be too specific since it is not a user's manual. >> >> Does this sound reasonable to you? >> >> Thanks, >> /Danny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dave Dolson [mailto:ddolson@sandvine.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 22:46 >> To: Moses, Danny; dmm@ietf.org >> Subject: RE: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 >> >> Danny and Alper, >> Thanks. I hope your helpful explanations below make it into the draft as= well. >> >> >> On the "nomadic address" question, this name really feels wrong to me. T= he address doesn't move and hence isn't nomadic. >> You don't like "ephemeral" because it doesn't convey movement. >> But a question, does the host have to move for the principles of this do= cument to apply? >> Couldn't a host get a new address (perhaps from a different wireless pro= vider) without moving? >> Maybe "non-nomadic address" or "provider-local address" ? >> >> >> On point 6, yes I think you have to specify when the resolution occurs, = since it affects which functions return error codes. >> I don't think the local address can be resolved before connect(), since = the choice of local address may depend on the remote address to connect. E.= g., connections to a peer on a local LAN subnet need to use an address on t= hat interface. >> >> >> -Dave >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Moses, Danny [mailto:danny.moses@intel.com] >> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2016 9:13 AM >> To: Dave Dolson; dmm@ietf.org >> Subject: RE: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 >> >> Hi Dave, >> >> Sorry for the very late response. Somehow we missed the original email a= nd were reminded by Jouni (Thanks Jouni). >> >> Anyway, thank you for the thorough and helpful comments. We have produce= d a new version and will publish it shortly. >> >> Please see further details to your comments: >> >> Dave> >> 1. Was the term "Nomadic" discussed? To me, a nomadic thing moves around= , but in this draft, Nomadic IP addresses do not move around; they are repl= aced. "Ephemeral IP Address" might convey the idea more clearly. >> >> Reply> >> "Nomadic" was discussed, it is not the best name but we could not find a= better one. >> What 'moves around' is the mobile host and as a result of that movement,= its source IP address might become obsolete (when it moves from its origin= al LAN to another with a different prefix). An application on a mobile host= requires a 'Nomadic' IP address when it does not care for the IP continuit= y guarantee services provided by the network. This is either because it kno= ws that the mobile host is not really mobile, or because it has other means= of maintaining session continuity and does not want the overhead associate= d with network-provided IP continuity services. >> >> The term 'Ephemeral' is not associated with movement - we think it is be= tter to have a 'movement'-related name. >> >> Dave> >> 2. I know this is really picky, but it wouldn't hurt to spell out "REQUI= RE" in IPV6_REQ_FIXED_IP etc. >> - IPV6_REQUIRE_FIXED_IP in parallel with IPV6_PREFER_SRC_PUBLIC >> >> Reply> >> Make sense. Will be changed in the next version. >> >> Dave> >> 3. There is a "TDB" in section 3.4. "TBD: Disallow this case?" This nee= ds to be resolved. I suggest the most restrictive flag applies. >> >> Reply> >> This is about whether to enable the application to set more than one fla= g or not per a given socket. We left that for discussion in the draft but n= ever resolved it. >> >> We prefer not to enable setting more than one flag since it add complexi= ty. The application can check the returned code and act upon it. For exampl= e, if it uses setsockopt() with IPV6_REQUIRE_FIXED_IP and the call returns = with an error code, it can re-attempt with IPV6_REQUEST_SUSTAINED_IP or IPV= 6_REQUEST_NOMADIC_IP (or without the flags - in case they are not supported= by the network). >> >> So we are replacing the original text: >> More than one of these flags may be set on the same socket. In that case= , an IP address compliant with any one of them shall be selected. >> TBD: Disallow this case? >> >> With: >> Only one flag of these flags may be set on the same socket. If an applic= ation attempts to set more than one flag, the most recent setting will be t= he one in effect. >> >> Dave> >> 4. Must resolve "Application of this solution to IPv4 is TBD." >> - clearly the socket option is IPV6_something, but... >> - there is uncharted territory surrounding IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses (= https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291#section-2.5.5.2 ), when socket option I= PV6_V6ONLY is false. >> - I think the goal should be that the API *does* apply to IPv4 via IPv4= -mapped-IPv6 addresses, while acknowledging that the operating system or ne= twork may not be able to fulfill the request. >> - I.e., permit the application to request constraints on IPv4, but a= lso expect the application to try for a relaxed address if the initial requ= est fails. >> - I see no need to support the API with AF_INET sockets, since AF_INET6= can be used with IPV6_ONLY=3Dfalse and IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses. >> >> Reply> >> Actually, the charter of DMM addresses IPv6 only. So we are removing the= text that refers to IPv4 altogether. If we see in the future a need to add= ress IPv4, we will do so in a separate draft. >> >> Dave> >> 5. The error codes are not clearly defined. What is the errno for failur= e of setsockopt() and others? >> >> Reply> >> True. >> >> We added the following text at the end of section 3.4: >> >> The following new error codes are also defined in the document and will = be used in Socket API in compliance with the [RFC5014]: >> EAI_REQUIREIPNOTSUPPORTED /*The network does not support the ability >> to request that IP address type */ EAI_REQUIREIPFAILED /* The network >> could not assign the specific IP address type */ >> >> Dave> >> 6. I'm unclear on when the on-demand resolution occurs? I don't think it= can be done at the time of setsockopt(); as I understand it, the addresses= are resolved later, at connect() or listen(). I'm not sure about this, but= it should be explained. If the resolution is done at connect() time, is a = new errno required? >> >> Reply> >> The addresses should be resolved before connect() or listen() in order t= o avoid unnecessary delay caused by the need to request the address from th= e network (with DHCP - for example). Furthermore, UDP should also be suppor= ted, hence connect() or listen() may not be used. There for, they must be r= esolved at setsockopt() prior to the above calls. Do you see any problem wi= th that? >> >> Do you think text should be added to clarify this? >> >> Dave> >> 7. Some socket interfaces are not mentioned. What about sendto(), sendms= g(), which are not connection-oriented? >> >> Reply> >> Both assume that a source IP address was assigned to the host. >> If the application invoked setsockopt() successfully prior to attempting= to send a message, the appropriate source IP address type will be used for= the transmitted packets. If not, whatever source IP address assigned to th= e host will be used. >> >> Dave> >> 8. In section 4.1, support for legacy applications does not really say h= ow to support legacy applications. >> - my opinion: the default (lacking new socket options) should be to req= uire Fixed for listen() and Sustained for connect(), and Nomadic/Ephemeral = for non-connected datagrams. >> >> Reply> >> Legacy application will not use these new flags, and as a result, will n= ot be able to influence the source IP address type and related mobility sup= port. As a result, they will behave exactly as applications behave today. >> >> Clearly there will be some default behavior as to the assigned source IP= address. Today, this depends on the access networks. Cellular networks usu= ally provide Fixed or Sustained source IP addresses, and WiFi networks usua= lly provide Nomadic source IP addresses. >> >> We do not think we should specify a strict behavior in this case, but ra= ther leave it to be implementation-specific. >> >> Once again, thanks for the good comments. >> >> Alper and Danny >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dave Dolson >> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 18:42 >> To: Jouni Korhonen; dmm@ietf.org; Dapeng Liu >> Subject: Re: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 >> >> (I haven't paid close attention to the list, so apologies if I'm >> raising old issues.) >> >> 1. Was the term "Nomadic" discussed? To me, a nomadic thing moves around= , but in this draft, Nomadic IP addresses do not move around; they are repl= aced. "Ephemeral IP Address" might convey the idea more clearly. >> >> 2. I know this is really picky, but it wouldn't hurt to spell out "REQUI= RE" in IPV6_REQ_FIXED_IP etc. >> - IPV6_REQUIRE_FIXED_IP in parallel with IPV6_PREFER_SRC_PUBLIC >> >> 3. There is a "TDB" in section 3.4. "TBD: Disallow this case?" This nee= ds to be resolved. I suggest the most restrictive flag applies. >> >> 4. Must resolve "Application of this solution to IPv4 is TBD." >> - clearly the socket option is IPV6_something, but... >> - there is uncharted territory surrounding IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses (= https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4291#section-2.5.5.2 ), when socket option I= PV6_V6ONLY is false. >> - I think the goal should be that the API *does* apply to IPv4 via IPv4= -mapped-IPv6 addresses, while acknowledging that the operating system or ne= twork may not be able to fulfill the request. >> - I.e., permit the application to request constraints on IPv4, but a= lso expect the application to try for a relaxed address if the initial requ= est fails. >> - I see no need to support the API with AF_INET sockets, since AF_INET6= can be used with IPV6_ONLY=3Dfalse and IPv4-mapped-IPv6 addresses. >> >> 5. The error codes are not clearly defined. What is the errno for failur= e of setsockopt() and others? >> >> 6. I'm unclear on when the on-demand resolution occurs? I don't think it= can be done at the time of setsockopt(); as I understand it, the addresses= are resolved later, at connect() or listen(). I'm not sure about this, but= it should be explained. If the resolution is done at connect() time, is a = new errno required? >> >> 7. Some socket interfaces are not mentioned. What about sendto(), sendms= g(), which are not connection-oriented? >> >> 8. In section 4.1, support for legacy applications does not really say h= ow to support legacy applications. >> - my opinion: the default (lacking new socket options) should be to req= uire Fixed for listen() and Sustained for connect(), and Nomadic/Ephemeral = for non-connected datagrams. >> >> >> >> -Dave >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen >> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2015 1:07 PM >> To: dmm@ietf.org; Jouni; Dapeng Liu >> Subject: [DMM] WGLC #1 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 >> >> Folks, >> >> This mail starts two week WGLC for the I-D: >> >> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-01 >> >> The WGLC ends 12/15/2015. >> >> Provide your reviews and comments to the mailing list. 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From nobody Tue Mar 29 09:06:15 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3434E12DA15 for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:06:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.231 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.231 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.01] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ff22ktmi6sLQ for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 1DDA612DA5B for ; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 09:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CGS07394; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:02:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEML433-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.67.210) by lhreml705-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.168) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Tue, 29 Mar 2016 17:01:38 +0100 Received: from szxeml557-mbx.china.huawei.com ([169.254.5.220]) by szxeml433-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.82.67.210]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 00:01:33 +0800 From: h chan To: Jouni Korhonen , "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] current status Thread-Index: AQHRcN/pp6FdAl0OdUSPpuI9rV8C059wxhGQ Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:01:32 +0000 Message-ID: <6E31144C030982429702B11D6746B98C766A2D46@szxeml557-mbx.china.huawei.com> References: <56D0C8DE.9010704@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <56D0C8DE.9010704@gmail.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.192.11.212] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A090205.56FAA732.0489, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.5.220, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 8b38a672e3fcf9cace0616a1369594d1 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] current status X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 16:06:13 -0000 The updated draft-chan-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-07 was uploaded 1= 0 days ago. Please provide comments. Thank you. H Anthony Chan -----Original Message----- From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jouni Korhonen Sent: Friday, February 26, 2016 3:51 PM To: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] current status Folks, Just reminding you all where we are at now. Active DMM WG documents: * draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-02 - WGLC #1 done - document revised - New WGLC to be initiated * draft-ietf-dmm-4283mnids-01 - WGLC #1 done - revised I-D needed - Jouni & Sri owe some text to Charlie Active MIP6 maintenance WG documents: * draft-ietf-dmm-hnprenum-00 * draft-ietf-dmm-lma-controlled-mag-params-00 * draft-ietf-dmm-mag-multihoming-00 Coming proposals/presentations in IETF95: * draft-moses-dmm-dhcp-ondemand-mobility-02 * draft-chan-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-06 - Update coming before the meeting Currently we have agenda requests for 70~90 mins worth. - Jouni _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From nobody Wed Mar 30 08:41:58 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBDB112D68F for ; Wed, 30 Mar 2016 08:41:57 -0700 (PDT) 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2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: sarikaya@ieee.org List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2016 19:12:06 -0000 Hi Danny, I am removing all previous conversation because it all got mixed up. Let's start afresh. I read you dhcp draft also. There is confusion in several levels. Your API draft talks about different applications on a MN needing different types of mobility services. Your DHCPv6 draft seems to give a solution on how a host can get different types of addresses/prefixes from DHCPv6 server, so is it for a host or an application? Prefix or address is assigned for an interface, that is another well known concept which your draft seem to completely ignore, i.e. a host may have multiple interfaces. Another concept is (as I already mentioned) topological correctness. If MN changes subnet, its previous prefix becomes topologically incorrect. Either it has to get a new prefix or there must be some system support, e.g. host routes. Of course another case is anchoring, like in 3GPP or in MIP. If you are anchored your prefix does not change. So you seem to ignore all these and instead introduce three types of addresses among which the sustained IP address/prefix is the key to your solution. Sustained address/prefix has this magical property: the IP address used at the beginning of the session remains usable despite the movement of the mobile host. and then you say access network anchoring, corresponding network anchoring, or some other solution can provide sustained address/prefixes. what does corresponding network anchoring mean? I have a feeling that what your drafts are saying that right now we don't know but we anticipate in the future some ways will be found to make sustained IP addresses. Is this true? BTW, your DHCPv6 draft says that DHCPv6 server can give me a Sustained address/prefix but it does not say how it will be different than the fixed one? Suppose we want to develop an access network anchoring for sustained IP addresses. What about the needs for signaling? I have a feeling that a host running very many applications, like in today's smart phones, and so many smart phones in the system that is going to involve huge amount of signaling to get/release sustained address/prefixes, right? My conclusion from all of the above is that, I think what you propose sounds like a flashy idea but it seems to me that the complications involved in any solution is intractable. Unless you can show me otherwise. 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X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: jouni.nospam@gmail.com List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2016 19:56:34 -0000 Folks, The DMM WG meets as the first thing on Monday. If you have a slot in agenda send you presentation material, if you have not done so already, to the chairs latest this Friday. - Jouni & dapeng