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The agenda has been updated. Please check whether you are OK with it.

- Jouni & Dapeng


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Hi Jouni and Dapeng,

Attached the presentation for the DHCPv6 extensions item in the DMM session.

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The agenda of tomorrow DMM meeting has FPC related slots.=20
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Hi Anthony,

Thank you for this new version of this draft.

I am happy that NEMO has now its own section.

However, I would like to further illustrate the route update procedure 
for a moving network.  Maybe the text below can be put in a new appendix.

What do you think?

Alex

Illustration of a Route Update Procedure for Moving Networks
------------------------------------------------------------

This section decribes a potential route update procedure for a moving
network; the scenario does not use the protocol Mobile IP, and does not 
involve any tunnel.  The procedure involves a hierarchical topology of 
three fixed routers: R1 is connected to the Internet, and two Access 
Routers (AR1 and AR2) are each wired to R1; moreover, each AR offers 
wireless access to other mobile entities interested to connect to the
nternet.

               ^ To the Internet
               |
               | wired link
              +--+
              |R1|
              +--+
              /  \
             /    \
            /      \ wired links
           /        \
        +---+      +---+
        |AR1|      |AR2|
        +---+      +---+
          |         |
          |         | wireless links
          o         o


The moving network is made of one Mobile Router (MR) and one Local
Fixed Node (LFN):


        o wireless link
        |
        |
      +--+       +---+
      |MR|       |LFN|
      +--+       +---+
        |          |
        |          |
        ------------- wired links


The routing tables of R1, AR1, AR2, as well as the addresses on the
interfaces are depicted below:

                             ^@gw
                             |                  R1 Routing Table
                             |i0                1:1:1::/48 *        i1
                            +--+                1:1:2::/48 *        i2
                            |R1|                1:2::/32   1:1:1::2 i1
                            +--+                1:3::/32   1:1:2::2 i2
                i1;1:1:1::1 /  \ i2;1:1:2::1    default    @gw      i0
                           /    \
               i1;1:1:1::2/      \i1;1:1:2::2
   AR1 Routing Table     /        \             AR2 Routing Table
   1:1:1::/48 *     i1 +---+     +---+          1:1:1::/48 *        i1
   1:2:1::/48 *     i2 |AR1|     |AR2|          1:3:1::/48 *        i2
   default    1:1:1::1 +---+     +---+          default    1:1:2::1 i1
                         |         |
              i2;1:2:1::1|         |i2;1:3:1::1
                         o         o

The addresses on the moving network are depicted below.  The MR self
configures an IPv6 address on its interface i1 that is derived from
the prefix advertised by AR1 on AR1's interface i2.  Moreover, the LFN
and other fixed computers inside the moving network are using the
fixed stable prefix 1:2:1:1::/64.  Remark, this prefix is 'aggregated'
in the prefix of AR1.

                          o
                          |
               i1;1:2:1::2|
                        +--+       +---+
                        |MR|       |LFN|
                        +--+       +---+
                          |          |
                          |          |
                          -------------
                           1:2:1:1::/64

When connecting the moving network to AR1, there is a need for LFN to
become reachable; there is a need for an additional routing table
entry in AR1.  This entry E is "1:2:1:1::/64 1:2:1::2 i2".  This entry
can be installed during other protocol message exchanges performed by
MR, e.g. DHCPv6-PD, or other.

When the moving network moves to AR2 there are several new steps that
need to be performed:
- E must disappear from AR1 Routing Table
- a new E' must be added to AR2 Routing Table; the E' must be
   "1:2:1:1::/64 1:3:1::2 i2"
- a new E" must be added to the R1 Routing Table; the E" must be
   "1:2:1:1::/64 1:1:2::2 i2"

These steps may be triggered by the SLAAC, DHCPv6-PD, OSPF and/or BGP
operations initiated by MR.


Le 24/09/2016 à 16:02, internet-drafts@ietf.org a écrit :
>
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management of the IETF.
>
>         Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
>         Authors         : H Anthony Chan
>                           Xinpeng Wei
>                           Jong-Hyouk Lee
>                           Seil Jeon
>                           Alexandre Petrescu
>                           Fred L. Templin
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 45
> 	Date            : 2016-09-23
>
> Abstract:
>    This document defines distributed mobility anchoring to meet diverse
>    mobility needs in 5G Wireless and beyond.  Multiple anchors and nodes
>    with mobility functions work together to provide IP mobility support.
>    A network or network slice may be configured with distributed
>    mobility anchoring depending on the needs of mobility support.  In
>    the distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are
>    available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor.  Without
>    an ongoing session, i.e., no IP session continuity required, a flow
>    of a mobile node can be re-started using a new IP prefix which is
>    allocated from a new network of the mobile node and is therefore
>    anchored to the new network.  With an ongoing session, the anchoring
>    of the prior IP prefix may be relocated to the new network to enable
>    IP session continuity.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring/
>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management of the IETF.

        Title           : MN Identifier Types for RFC 4283 Mobile Node Identifier Option
        Authors         : Charles E. Perkins
                          Vijay Devarapalli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-4283mnids-03.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2016-11-13

Abstract:
   Additional Identifier Types are proposed for use with the Mobile Node
   Identifier Option for MIPv6 (RFC 4283).


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Hello folks,

If no one else has volunteered, I will do it.

Regards,
Charlie P.


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Hello all,

FYI.

Here is the draft that I mentioned during the WG meeting. It was wrote in
2013 and uses the term "Network slicing".
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-cloud-mobile-core-02

Thanks,
Dapeng Liu

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hello all,</div><div><br></div><div>FYI.</div><div><b=
r></div><div>Here is the draft that I mentioned during the WG meeting. It w=
as wrote in 2013 and uses the term &quot;<span style=3D"font-size:13.3333px=
">Network slicing</span>&quot;.</div><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-liu-cloud-mobile-core-02">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-liu-clou=
d-mobile-core-02</a><br><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div>Dapeng Liu</d=
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Folks,

As discussed during the IETF97 DMM meeting.. We had a show of hands of =
opening draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility and adding the ideas of =
draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source into it.

The result was 8 for yes and 1 for no.

This basically means the AD will move draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility =
back to WG and required modifications should be done asap. Once a new =
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Folks,

We had a fruitful discussion on this draft at DMM meeting. Before going =
for the adoption call the authors need to take a look at RFC7934 =
recommendations and modify the draft accordingly.

We had a straw-man poll on whether folks like the draft proposed =
solution in general and see it useful and whether the WG should work on =
it. There was 6 for yes and 0 for no.

- JOuni & Dapeng=


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Hi,

During the last DMM meeting there was discussion about using DHCPv6 to 
request addresses, and to qualify these addresses ('sustained', 
'nomadic', etc.)

There was comment that it may not be good to use DHCPv6 to request 
addresses, but rather use SLAAC for that, or use DHCPv6-PD to request 
prefixes, not addresses.  This is RECOMMENDED in RFC 7934 section 8:

> Due to the drawbacks imposed by requiring explicit requests for
>    address space (see Section 4), it is RECOMMENDED that the network
>    give the host the ability to use new addresses without requiring
>    explicit requests.  This can be achieved either by allowing the host
>    to form new addresses autonomously (e.g., via SLAAC) or by providing
>    the host with a dedicated /64 prefix.  The prefix MAY be provided
>    using DHCPv6 PD, SLAAC with per-device VLANs, or any other means.


There is however a use-case I am concerned with which needs DHCPv6 for 
addresses. The use case involves a M2M Router connecting to 4G and 
giving access with USBnet to other routers and hosts in its moving network.

The M2M Router hears a /64 prefix from the operator, forms multiple /80 
prefixes for its 'inner' routers and hosts, a DHCPv6 Server, and listens 
to DHCPv6 requests for addresses from these 'inner' routers and hosts.

In this case, SLAAC does not work for these inner hosts, because the 
prefix length is /80.

This is why DHCPv6 for addresses is needed in this use-case.

The operator does not implement DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation, and I think 
there is no 4G operator at this time that implements it.  I have some 
ongoing discussions with an incumbent operator about DHCPv6-PD on 
Ericsson base stations (not to name them), but I think nobody else is 
doing it at this time.

_If_ a cellular operator implements DHCPv6-PD, and _if_ it delivers 
plens shorter than /64 to cellular UEs, then the need for 
DHCPv6-for-addresses may disappear.  My gut feeling at this time is that 
we are way way far from such a time.

Alex


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    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">Hi,</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">During the last DMM
          meeting there was discussion about using DHCPv6 to request
          addresses, and to qualify these addresses ('sustained',
          'nomadic', etc.)</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">There was comment that
          it may not be good to use DHCPv6 to request addresses, but rather
          use SLAAC for that, or use DHCPv6-PD to request prefixes, not
          addresses.  This is RECOMMENDED in RFC 7934 section 8:<br>
          <br>
        </font></font>
      <blockquote type="cite"><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">  
            Due to the drawbacks imposed by requiring explicit requests
            for<br>
               address space (see Section 4), it is RECOMMENDED that the
            network<br>
               give the host the ability to use new addresses without
            requiring<br>
               explicit requests.  This can be achieved either by
            allowing the host<br>
               to form new addresses autonomously (e.g., via SLAAC) or
            by providing<br>
               the host with a dedicated /64 prefix.  The prefix MAY be
            provided<br>
               using DHCPv6 PD, SLAAC with per-device VLANs, or any
            other means.<br>
          </font></font></blockquote>
    </p>
    <p><br>
    </p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">There is however a
          use-case I am concerned with which needs DHCPv6 for addresses. 
          The use case involves a M2M Router connecting to 4G and giving
          access with USBnet to other routers and hosts in its moving
          network.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">The M2M Router hears a /64
          prefix from the operator, forms multiple /80 prefixes for its
          'inner' routers and hosts, a DHCPv6 Server, and listens to
          DHCPv6 requests for addresses from these 'inner' routers and
          hosts.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">In this case, SLAAC does
          not work for these inner hosts, because the prefix length is
          /80.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">This is why DHCPv6 for
          addresses is needed in this use-case.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">The operator does not
          implement DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation, and I think there is no 4G
          operator at this time that implements it.  I have some ongoing
          discussions with an incumbent operator about DHCPv6-PD on
          Ericsson base stations (not to name them), but I think nobody
          else is doing it at this time.</font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">_If_ a cellular operator
          implements DHCPv6-PD, and _if_ it delivers plens shorter than
          /64 to cellular UEs, then the need for DHCPv6-for-addresses
          may disappear.  My gut feeling at this time is that we are way
          way far from such a time.<br>
        </font></font></p>
    <p><font size="-1"><font face="Courier New">Alex</font></font><br>
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Hi,
Since I was not in the room while this was discussed, I would like to under=
stand the following:
Has draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source been discussed and accepted by th=
e WG and the merged document will resume post-WGLC process, or will we have=
 to present the merged document for review by the WG and be re-evaluated fo=
r WGLC?

Thanks,
Danny

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ce IP Address Selection"

Folks,

As discussed during the IETF97 DMM meeting.. We had a show of hands of open=
ing draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility and adding the ideas of draft-sijeon-d=
mm-use-cases-api-source into it.

The result was 8 for yes and 1 for no.

This basically means the AD will move draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility back=
 to WG and required modifications should be done asap. Once a new version c=
omes out, chairs do another WGLC, and forward the revised draft to IESG. Th=
e faster the revision is done the faster the publication progresses.

- Jouni & Dapeng
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Thank you Kiran,

I had joined the slice meeting and made a comment to a DMM colleague.
# My bad I didn't know the DMM multicast draft..

Let me summarize a little bit about discussions of the slice meeting.
Many people said their thought almost about network segregation in resource
perspective,
such as bandwidth beyond L2/L3 vpns in static or dynamic way to form them.

I second anima guy that he said that slicing needs to be service aspect
rather than resource.
It looks that the service means transmission and routing aspect. In DMM
point of view,
they are underlay of mobile and FPC data-plane model will be deployed on
top of that.

The conclusion of the slice side meeting is to have a slice bof in next
IETF meeting which
would be going to invite 3GPP experts. So I think that DMM guys need to
head up.

Regards,
--satoru


On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Kiran.Makhijani <
Kiran.Makhijani@huawei.com> wrote:

> FYI. In case you are interested.
> -Kiran
>
>
>
> On 14 Nov 2016, at 00:51, Dongjie (Jimmy) <jie.dong@huawei.com> wrote:
>
> Dear presenters,
>
> The network slicing side meeting will be held on Tuesday 19:00-21:00 in
> Studio 3. Could you please send your presentation slides to Stewart and me
> by end of today? Thanks a lot.
>
> Best regards,
> Jie
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detnet [mailto:detnet-bounces@ietf.org <detnet-bounces@ietf.org>]
> On Behalf Of Dongjie (Jimmy)
> Sent: Tuesday, November 08, 2016 7:57 PM
> To: 5gangip@ietf.org; detnet@ietf.org; routing-discussion@ietf.org;
> nfvrg@irtf.org; draft-galis-anima-autonomic-slice-networking@ietf.org;
> draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues@ietf.org; draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-
> mobility-slicing@ietf.org; draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework@ietf.org
> Cc: Stewart Bryant; Mach Chen
> Subject: [Detnet] Network slicing side meeting at IETF97
>
> Dear all,
>
> Following on from the recent discussions on network slicing, it seems
> useful to have a side meeting during next week's IETF to see if we can
> establish a common view on the definition and scope of network slicing,
> what work is currently being undertaken in the IETF on this problem space,
> and what (if any) new IETF work would be needed to create deployable
> network solutions.
>
> To that end we propose a side meeting on the topic of network slicing and
> have got a room to have this discussion on the Tuesday evening of the
> IETF week.
>
> Meeting Name: 5G Network Slicing Side Meeting Assigned Room: Studio 3
> Assigned Date: 11/15/2016 (Tuesday) Assigned Time: 19:00 - 21:00
>
> To make the most of this time, it would be useful if a few of us introduce
> to the rest our thoughts on the subject before having an open discussion.
> We have a projector, and so those introducing an aspect of this problem can
> use slides, but slides are not required.
>
> The topics we have so far are:
>
> 1.  Network slicing problem statement  - Stewart Bryant
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-network-slicing-
> problem-statement-00
>
> 2.  Autonomic slicing networking  - Alex Galis
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-galis-anima-autonomic-
> slice-networking-00
>
> 3.  Multicast and mobility service on demand with network slicing  -
> Truong-Xuan Do
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-mobility-slicing-00
>
> If you have experiences/understanding of network slicing related use
> cases, requirements or problems etc., we welcome their inclusion in the
> agenda to help bring the rest up to speed.
>
> Following that, we propose an open discussion to establish whether there
> are work items that we need to get included in any existing IETF WG
> charter, or whether we need to initiate any new work in the IETF.
>
> If you have comments on our proposed agenda, or you want to introduce an
> aspect of the problem to the rest of the group, then please contact us with
> name of the topic and how long you need to talk about it.
>
> Many thanks and best regards,
>
> Jie/Stewart/Mach
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Stewart Bryant [mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.com
> <stewart.bryant@gmail.com>]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:22 PM
> To: 5gangip@ietf.org; detnet@ietf.org; nfvrg@irtf.org;
> draft-galis-anima-autonomic-slice-networking@ietf.org;
> draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues@ietf.org;
> draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-mobility-slicing@ietf.org;
> draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework@ietf.org
> Cc: Mach Chen <mach.chen@huawei.com>; Dongjie (Jimmy)
> <jie.dong@huawei.com>
> Subject: Network Slicing - a suggestion that we meet to discuss in
> Seoul
>
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> We were trying to pull together a problem statement for network
> slicing in a 5G context to understand how well the current IETF
> protocols address this problem, what their short comings might be, and
> what IETF work is necessary to have a deployable protocol suite to address
> this need.
>
> We have set down our first thoughts in
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-network-slicing-problem-stateme
> nt-00
>
> We find that there are a number of groups doing similar work
> throughout the IETF.
>
> The following comprehensive draft was directed at the ANIMA WG
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-galis-anima-autonomic-slice-net
> working/
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues-00
> is a detailed discussion the position of network slicing in a contest
> of next generation networks
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-mobility-slicing-
> 00 looks at multicasting in a sliced context
>
> and
>
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework-01
> looks at slicing in a context of traffic engineering.
>
> Our thoughts are that network slicing spans a number of deployment
> scenarios, and has a number of diverse applications, ranging from
> fragile applications, through to providing enhanced security and
> availability.
>
> Elements of the problem and the resultant solution have a close
> affinity to DETNET. There is clearly an affinity with VPN
> technologies, although none of the existing VPNs provide the degree of
> isolation that we think is required.
>
> We note that there seems to be no natural home for all of the aspects
> of this problem.
>
> It therefore seems that if would be a good idea for those interested
> in this problem to get together at some point during IETF to swap
> notes and share our views on the problem space and how to move forward
> with addressing it.
>
> Is there any interest in meeting up to discuss this in Seoul?
>
> Best regards
>
> Stewart/Mach/Jie
>
>
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Thank you Kiran,=C2=A0<div><br></div><div>I had joined the=
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39;t know the DMM multicast draft..</div><div><br></div><div>Let me summari=
ze a little bit about discussions of the slice meeting.</div><div>Many peop=
le said their thought almost about network segregation in resource perspect=
ive,=C2=A0</div><div>such as bandwidth beyond L2/L3 vpns in static or dynam=
ic way to form them.<br></div><div><br></div><div>I second anima guy that h=
e said that slicing needs to be service aspect rather than resource.</div><=
div>It looks that the service means transmission and routing aspect. In DMM=
 point of view,</div><div>they are underlay of mobile and FPC data-plane mo=
del will be deployed on top of that.</div><div><br></div><div>The conclusio=
n of the slice side meeting is to have a slice bof in next IETF meeting whi=
ch=C2=A0</div><div>would be going to invite 3GPP experts. So I think that D=
MM guys need to head up.</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>--sato=
ru</div><div><div><br></div></div></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><b=
r><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Kiran.Makhij=
ani <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kiran.Makhijani@huawei.com" tar=
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<div>Dear presenters, <br>
<br>
The network slicing side meeting will be held <a dir=3D"ltr">
on Tuesday 19:00-21:00</a> in Studio 3. Could you please send your presenta=
tion slides to Stewart and me by end of today? Thanks a lot.<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
Jie<br>
<br>
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/a>; <a href=3D"mailto:detnet@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
detnet@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:routing-discussion@ietf.org" target=
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href=3D"mailto:draft-galis-anima-autonomic-slice-networking@ietf.org" targe=
t=3D"_blank">
draft-galis-anima-autonomic-<wbr>slice-networking@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"=
mailto:draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-<wbr>issues@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mailto:draft-=
xuan-dmm-multicast-mobility-slicing@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-<wbr>mobility-slicing@ietf.org</a>; <a href=3D"mai=
lto:draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
draft-ietf-teas-actn-<wbr>framework@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: Stewart Bryant; Mach Chen<br>
Subject: [Detnet] Network slicing side meeting at IETF97<br>
<br>
Dear all,<br>
<br>
Following on from the recent discussions on network slicing, it seems usefu=
l to have a side meeting during next week&#39;s IETF to see if we can estab=
lish a common view on the definition and scope of network slicing, what wor=
k is currently being undertaken in the
 IETF on this problem space, and what (if any) new IETF work would be neede=
d to create deployable network solutions.<br>
<br>
To that end we propose a side meeting on the topic of network slicing and h=
ave got a room to have this discussion on the
<a dir=3D"ltr">
Tuesday evening</a> of the IETF week.<br>
<br>
Meeting Name: 5G Network Slicing Side Meeting Assigned Room: Studio 3 Assig=
ned Date:
<a dir=3D"ltr">
11/15/2016 (Tuesday)</a> Assigned Time: <a dir=3D"ltr">
19:00 - 21:00</a><br>
<br>
To make the most of this time, it would be useful if a few of us introduce =
to the rest our thoughts on the subject before having an open discussion. W=
e have a projector, and so those introducing an aspect of this problem can =
use slides, but slides are not required.<br>
<br>
The topics we have so far are:<br>
<br>
1.=C2=A0 Network slicing problem statement =C2=A0- Stewart Bryant<br>
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-network-slicing-problem-s=
tatement-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-dong-=
network-slicing-<wbr>problem-statement-00</a><br>
<br>
2.=C2=A0 Autonomic slicing networking =C2=A0- Alex Galis<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-galis-anima-autono=
mic-slice-networking-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr=
>draft-galis-anima-autonomic-<wbr>slice-networking-00</a><br>
<br>
3.=C2=A0 Multicast and mobility service on demand with network slicing =C2=
=A0- Truong-Xuan Do<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuan-dmm-multicast=
-mobility-slicing-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>dr=
aft-xuan-dmm-multicast-<wbr>mobility-slicing-00</a><br>
<br>
If you have experiences/understanding of network slicing related use cases,=
 requirements or problems etc., we welcome their inclusion in the agenda to=
 help bring the rest up to speed.<br>
<br>
Following that, we propose an open discussion to establish whether there ar=
e work items that we need to get included in any existing IETF WG charter, =
or whether we need to initiate any new work in the IETF.<br>
<br>
If you have comments on our proposed agenda, or you want to introduce an as=
pect of the problem to the rest of the group, then please contact us with n=
ame of the topic and how long you need to talk about it.<br>
<br>
Many thanks and best regards,<br>
<br>
Jie/Stewart/Mach<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">-----Original Message-----<br>
From: Stewart Bryant [<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">mailto:stewart.bryant@gmail.<wbr>com</a>]<br>
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2016 11:22 PM<br>
To: <a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:5gangip@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">
5gangip@ietf.org</a>; <a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:detnet@ietf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">
detnet@ietf.org</a>; <a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:nfvrg@irtf.org" target=
=3D"_blank">
nfvrg@irtf.org</a>; <br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:draft-galis-anima-autonomic-slice-networking@=
ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-galis-anima-autonomic-<wbr>slice-networki=
ng@ietf.org</a>;<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-issues@ietf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip-<wbr>issues@ietf.org</a>;<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-mobility-slicing@iet=
f.org" target=3D"_blank">draft-xuan-dmm-multicast-<wbr>mobility-slicing@iet=
f.org</a>;<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:draft-ietf-teas-actn-framework@ietf.org" targ=
et=3D"_blank">draft-ietf-teas-actn-<wbr>framework@ietf.org</a><br>
Cc: Mach Chen &lt;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:mach.chen@huawei.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">mach.chen@huawei.com</a>&gt;; Dongjie (Jimmy)
<br>
&lt;<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"mailto:jie.dong@huawei.com" target=3D"_blank">ji=
e.dong@huawei.com</a>&gt;<br>
Subject: Network Slicing - a suggestion that we meet to discuss in <br>
Seoul<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
We were trying to pull together a problem statement for network <br>
slicing in a 5G context to understand how well the current IETF <br>
protocols address this problem, what their short comings might be, and <br>
what IETF work is necessary to have a deployable protocol suite to address =
this need.<br>
<br>
We have set down our first thoughts in<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dong-network-slici=
ng-problem-stateme" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draf=
t-dong-network-slicing-<wbr>problem-stateme</a><br>
nt-00<br>
<br>
We find that there are a number of groups doing similar work <br>
throughout the IETF.<br>
<br>
The following comprehensive draft was directed at the ANIMA WG <br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-galis-anima-a=
utonomic-slice-net" target=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>doc=
/draft-galis-anima-<wbr>autonomic-slice-net</a><br>
working/<br>
<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-vonhugo-5gangip-ip=
-issues-00" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-vonhug=
o-5gangip-ip-<wbr>issues-00</a><br>
is a detailed discussion the position of network slicing in a contest <br>
of next generation networks<br>
<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-xuan-dmm-multicast=
-mobility-slicing-" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draf=
t-xuan-dmm-multicast-<wbr>mobility-slicing-</a><br>
00 looks at multicasting in a sliced context<br>
<br>
and<br>
<br>
<a dir=3D"ltr" href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-teas-actn-fra=
mework-01" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>draft-ietf-te=
as-actn-<wbr>framework-01</a><br>
looks at slicing in a context of traffic engineering.<br>
<br>
Our thoughts are that network slicing spans a number of deployment <br>
scenarios, and has a number of diverse applications, ranging from <br>
fragile applications, through to providing enhanced security and availabili=
ty.<br>
<br>
Elements of the problem and the resultant solution have a close <br>
affinity to DETNET. There is clearly an affinity with VPN <br>
technologies, although none of the existing VPNs provide the degree of isol=
ation that we think is required.<br>
<br>
We note that there seems to be no natural home for all of the aspects <br>
of this problem.<br>
<br>
It therefore seems that if would be a good idea for those interested <br>
in this problem to get together at some point during IETF to swap <br>
notes and share our views on the problem space and how to move forward with=
 addressing it.<br>
<br>
Is there any interest in meeting up to discuss this in Seoul?<br>
<br>
Best regards<br>
<br>
Stewart/Mach/Jie<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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I tend to think some of the issues raised in draft-simeon are valid. I do
not know the official chair/AD position on merger, but I tend to think the
current working group document is probably the right place to address
those issues.=20


Sri



On 11/14/16, 9:46 PM, "dmm on behalf of Moses, Danny"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of danny.moses@intel.com> wrote:

>Hi,
>Since I was not in the room while this was discussed, I would like to
>understand the following:
>Has draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source been discussed and accepted by
>the WG and the merged document will resume post-WGLC process, or will we
>have to present the merged document for review by the WG and be
>re-evaluated for WGLC?
>
>Thanks,
>Danny
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 09:22
>To: dmm@ietf.org
>Subject: [DMM] On demand mobility and "Use Cases and API Extension for
>Source IP Address Selection"
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>Folks,
>
>As discussed during the IETF97 DMM meeting.. We had a show of hands of
>opening draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility and adding the ideas of
>draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source into it.
>
>The result was 8 for yes and 1 for no.
>
>This basically means the AD will move draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
>back to WG and required modifications should be done asap. Once a new
>version comes out, chairs do another WGLC, and forward the revised draft
>to IESG. The faster the revision is done the faster the publication
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management of the IETF.

        Title           : On Demand Mobility Management
        Authors         : Alper Yegin
                          Danny Moses
                          Kisuk Kweon
                          Jinsung Lee
                          Jungshin Park
                          Seil Jeon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08.txt
	Pages           : 13
	Date            : 2016-11-28

Abstract:
   Applications differ with respect to whether they need IP session
   continuity and/or IP address reachability.  The network providing the
   same type of service to any mobile host and any application running
   on the host yields inefficiencies.  This document describes a
   solution for taking the application needs into account in selectively
   providing IP session continuity and IP address reachability on a per-
   socket basis.


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Folks,

The authors of draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-07 and =
draft-sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source have come up with a merged =
document draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08.

This email starts a 2 week WGLC for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-08.
The WGLC starts 11/28/16 and ends 12/12/16.

Provide your comments, concerns and approvals to the email list (and =
hopefully also to IssueTracker).

- Jouni & Dapeng



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Folks,

Asking the obvious? Anyone reviewed this draft? If yes, could you share =
your views/comments/concerns on it?


My very quick read on it initiated few comments..

o Tables use abbreviations that are never explained, like MC (mobility
  controller) and RC (routing controller), etc.
o The above mentioned controllers are never really detailed what they
  do. I would expect similar section as there are for CPNs and CPAs.
o I was expecting a short summary or alike at the end of the
  document.

- Jouni=20=

