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To: Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>, "Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)" <pcamaril@cisco.com>
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Thread-Topic: [DMM] SRv6 for Mobile User-Plane
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Thank you Tom. =20

I do not know, if this is a consideration that will go into security
section, or if an alternative exists. But, we will track this issue in the
issue tracker. We will ask 6man chairs and the AD to comment on this.

All - Please comment on these technical issues. We cannot ignore these
comments.

Sri




On 2/26/18, 12:24 PM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert" <dmm-bounces@ietf.org
on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:

>That draft received substantial pushback on 6man list. EH insertion is
>not allowed by RFC8200 and a host of points were raised why it
>shouldn't be allowed. The authors have not responded to this feedback
>yet. Also, IMO, the argument that it's okay to do this within a
>controlled domain is weak, such an argument could be used to pretty
>much justify anything one might do with protocols.
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Thank you Lionel,=20

# Forward this to DMM to make sure the delivery. :-)

DMMer,=20

As the rapporteur of user plane protocol study in 3GPP, I=E2=80=99d like =
to introduce this study item and explain the work.
So I=E2=80=99d appreciate if the DMM chairs give me a 10min slot to do =
that in next meeting.

Cheers,
--satoru



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work.</div><div>So I=E2=80=99d appreciate if the DMM chairs give me a =
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(responsible for core network protocol aspects in mobile networks).<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
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Correcting dmm address

Le 1 mars 2018 14:02, lionel.morand@orange.com a =E9crit :
Hi,

I would like to inform IETF folks that a study item on user plane protocol =
in 5GC for Release-16 (5G phase 2) has been initiated in the 3GPP CT4 WG (r=
esponsible for core network protocol aspects in mobile networks).

An official LS has been sent to IETF and the content of this LS as well as =
other related information can be found into:
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenburg=
/Docs/C4-181380.zip

Please do not hesitate to contact Satoru and/or myself for further informat=
ion if required.

Best Regards
________________________________
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I would like to inform IETF fol=
ks that a study item on user plane protocol in 5GC for Release-16 (5G phase=
 2) has been initiated in the 3GPP CT4 WG (responsible for core network pro=
tocol aspects in mobile networks).</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">An official LS has been sent to=
 IETF and the content of this LS as well as other related information can b=
e found into:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://www.3gpp.org/=
ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenburg/Docs/C4-181380.zip"=
>http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenbur=
g/Docs/C4-181380.zip</a></span></p>
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rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:black">Lionel&nbsp;Morand</span></=
b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;; color:black">
<br>
Chair of 3GPP CT4 WG</span></p>
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l&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:black">Chair of IETF Dime and Radext =
WGs
<br>
Core Network Senior Architect and Diameter expert </span></p>
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rial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;; color:black"><a href=3D"https://monsi.ss=
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Hi Lionel,
Thank you for your email and the link to CT4's LS .
Peter Ashwood-Smith and I met with Satoru-san yesterday in Montreal to disc=
uss some of the requirements and explore a few options.

Also, a few of us in dmm including myself are writing a draft that we hope =
will be useful as a response. In this draft, we are considering a few techn=
ologies and  intend to provide a comprehensive analysis that might prove to=
 be helpful in selecting a new data plane for N9.

We will sent out new version of our proposed draft as they become available=
. Your comments and feedbacks will certainly be greatly appreciated.

Best regards,
Arashmid Akhavain

From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of lionel.morand@orange.c=
om
Sent: 01 March 2018 14:21
To: 5gangip@ietf.org; dmm@ietf.org
Cc: Georg Mayer <georg.mayer.huawei@gmx.com>; Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Ca=
marillo@ericsson.com>; Matsushima Satoru <satoru.matsushima@g.softbank.co.j=
p>
Subject: [DMM] RE : [5gangip] 3GPP Liaison Statement on user plane protocol=
 study


Correcting dmm address
Le 1 mars 2018 14:02, lionel.morand@orange.com<mailto:lionel.morand@orange.=
com> a =E9crit :
Hi,

I would like to inform IETF folks that a study item on user plane protocol =
in 5GC for Release-16 (5G phase 2) has been initiated in the 3GPP CT4 WG (r=
esponsible for core network protocol aspects in mobile networks).

An official LS has been sent to IETF and the content of this LS as well as =
other related information can be found into:
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenburg=
/Docs/C4-181380.zip

Please do not hesitate to contact Satoru and/or myself for further informat=
ion if required.

Best Regards
________________________________
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Lionel Morand
Chair of 3GPP CT4 WG
Chair of IETF Dime and Radext WGs
Core Network Senior Architect and Diameter expert
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Hi Lionel,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Thank you for your email and the link to CT4&#8217;s LS .
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Peter Ashwood-Smith and I met with Satoru-san yesterday in Montreal to=
 discuss some of the requirements and explore a few options.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Also, a few of us in dmm including myself are writing a draft that we =
hope will be useful as a response. In this draft, we are considering a few =
technologies and&nbsp; intend to provide
 a comprehensive analysis that might prove to be helpful in selecting a new=
 data plane for N9.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">We will sent out new version of our proposed draft as they become avai=
lable. Your comments and feedbacks will certainly be greatly appreciated.<o=
:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Arashmid Akhavain<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"> dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>lionel.morand@orange.com<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 01 March 2018 14:21<br>
<b>To:</b> 5gangip@ietf.org; dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Georg Mayer &lt;georg.mayer.huawei@gmx.com&gt;; Gonzalo Camarill=
o &lt;Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com&gt;; Matsushima Satoru &lt;satoru.mats=
ushima@g.softbank.co.jp&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DMM] RE&nbsp;: [5gangip] 3GPP Liaison Statement on user pl=
ane protocol study<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p><span lang=3D"FR">Correcting dmm address<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"FR" style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif">Le 1 mars 2018 14:02,
<a href=3D"mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com">lionel.morand@orange.com</a> a =
=E9crit :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hi,</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:=
p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I would like to inform IETF fol=
ks that a study item on user plane protocol in 5GC for Release-16 (5G phase=
 2) has been initiated in the 3GPP CT4 WG (responsible for core network pro=
tocol aspects in mobile networks).</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">An official LS has been sent to=
 IETF and the content of this LS as well as other related information can b=
e found into:</span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://www.3gpp.org/=
ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenburg/Docs/C4-181380.zip"=
>http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenbur=
g/Docs/C4-181380.zip</a></span><span lang=3D"FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR">=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Please do not hesitate to conta=
ct Satoru and/or myself for further information if required.</span><span la=
ng=3D"FR"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"FR">=
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Thank you Lionel. We will provide the LS response with the status on the DM=
M work items and any clarifying questions.

 Thanks!
Sri


From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of =
"lionel.morand@orange.com<mailto:lionel.morand@orange.com>" <lionel.morand@=
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Date: Thursday, March 1, 2018 at 11:21 AM
To: "5gangip@ietf.org<mailto:5gangip@ietf.org>" <5gangip@ietf.org<mailto:5g=
angip@ietf.org>>, "dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>" <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:=
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Cc: Georg Mayer <georg.mayer.huawei@gmx.com<mailto:georg.mayer.huawei@gmx.c=
om>>, Gonzalo Camarillo <Gonzalo.Camarillo@ericsson.com<mailto:Gonzalo.Cama=
rillo@ericsson.com>>, Matsushima Satoru <satoru.matsushima@g.softbank.co.jp=
<mailto:satoru.matsushima@g.softbank.co.jp>>
Subject: [DMM] RE : [5gangip] 3GPP Liaison Statement on user plane protocol=
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Le 1 mars 2018 14:02, lionel.morand@orange.com<mailto:lionel.morand@orange.=
com> a =E9crit :
Hi,

I would like to inform IETF folks that a study item on user plane protocol =
in 5GC for Release-16 (5G phase 2) has been initiated in the 3GPP CT4 WG (r=
esponsible for core network protocol aspects in mobile networks).

An official LS has been sent to IETF and the content of this LS as well as =
other related information can be found into:
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenburg=
/Docs/C4-181380.zip

Please do not hesitate to contact Satoru and/or myself for further informat=
ion if required.

Best Regards
________________________________
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Lionel Morand
Chair of 3GPP CT4 WG
Chair of IETF Dime and Radext WGs
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I would like to inform IETF fol=
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e found into:</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"http://www.3gpp.org/=
ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_82_Gothenburg/Docs/C4-181380.zip"=
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
        Authors         : H. Anthony Chan
                          Xinpeng Wei
                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
                          Seil Jeon
                          Carlos J. Bernardos
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-08.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2018-03-02

Abstract:
   This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of the
   different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility
   support.  A network may be configured with distributed mobility
   anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility
   support according to the needs of mobility support.  In the
   distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are
   available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor.  To start
   a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session continuity as
   a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started or re-
   started using a new IP address configured from the new IP prefix
   which is anchored to the new network.  The mobility functions and
   their operations and parameters are general for different
   configurations.


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Hi Carlos/Anthony/Authors,

Thanks for the updates. Please summarize the changes that went into -08
version, and also let the WG know on the open issues.

Sri



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>
>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories.
>This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of
>the IETF.
>
>        Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
>        Authors         : H. Anthony Chan
>                          Xinpeng Wei
>                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
>                          Seil Jeon
>                          Carlos J. Bernardos
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-08.txt
>	Pages           : 15
>	Date            : 2018-03-02
>
>Abstract:
>   This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of the
>   different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility
>   support.  A network may be configured with distributed mobility
>   anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility
>   support according to the needs of mobility support.  In the
>   distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are
>   available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor.  To start
>   a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session continuity as
>   a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started or re-
>   started using a new IP address configured from the new IP prefix
>   which is anchored to the new network.  The mobility functions and
>   their operations and parameters are general for different
>   configurations.
>
>
>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-ancho
>ring/
>
>There are also htmlized versions available at:
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-
>08
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-
>anchoring-08
>
>A diff from the previous version is available at:
>https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-an=
ch
>oring-08
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Hi Pablo,

Let me focus on one point.

> [...snip...]

>   =20
>     > =20
>     > Uplink
>     > Note: S1, S2 represent service functions and C1 represents a =
node for TE purposes
>     > UE sends its packet (A, Z) on a specific wireless bearer to its =
gNB
>     > gNB=E2=80=99s CP associates the session from the UE (A) with =
IPv6 address B and TEID T (N2 interface unchanged)
>     > gNB_out: (gNB, B) (GTP: TEID T) (A, Z)                       ;; =
Interface N3 is unchanged
>     > SR_GW_out: (SRGW, S1) (U2::1, C1; SL=3D2)(A, Z)       ;; new =
End.GTP.UP
>     > S1_out: (SRGW, C1) (U2::1, C1; SL=3D1)(A, Z)
>     > C1_out: (SRGW, U2::1) (A, Z)                                     =
 ;; assuming PSP
>     > UPF2_out:  (A, Z)                                                =
        ;; End.DT
>     > =20
>    =20
>     Don=E2=80=99t you need to care about TEID at SRGW in aggregate =
mode?
>     I think it is okay for uplink in basic mode since it allocates SID =
per tunnel.
> [PC]: For the basic mode, yes it is ok. For the aggregate mode, we can =
ignore the TEID since we don=E2=80=99t have scaling issues on the BSID. =
A BSID is an indirecton to an SR policy, and hence we can have many =
BSIDs pointing to the same SR policy. Hence I would not expect any =
scalability issue here.


That=E2=80=99s interesting. But using T.Encap would be also one of your =
intent to support IPv4 PDU case, right?
If it=E2=80=99s right, U2::1 doesn=E2=80=99t indicate specific one =
single session in this case so that it won=E2=80=99t work for IPv4 PDU =
case IMO.

And there=E2=80=99s also an interesting point in the packet flow that =
the SRGW uses S1 as the first SID but it doesn=E2=80=99t exist in SRH =
while the SL=3D2 points S1.
It sounds a good solution to save overhead size. Is it acceptable SRH =
handling in terms of SRv6 spec?

Cheers,
--satoru



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Folks - This is the Agenda for the DMM Working Group meeting at IETF101.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-101-dmm/

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>Folks - This is the Agenda for the DMM Working Group meeting at IETF101.
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>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-101-dmm/
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Protocol for Forwarding Policy Configuration (FPC) in DMM
        Authors         : Satoru Matsushima
                          Lyle Bertz
                          Marco Liebsch
                          Sri Gundavelli
                          Danny Moses
                          Charles E. Perkins
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-10.txt
	Pages           : 135
	Date            : 2018-03-05

Abstract:
   This document describes a way, called Forwarding Policy Configuration
   (FPC) to manage the separation of data-plane and control-plane.  FPC
   defines a flexible mobility management system using FPC agent and FPC
   client functions.  An FPC agent provides an abstract interface to the
   data-plane.  The FPC client configures data-plane nodes by using the
   functions and abstractions provided by the FPC agent for the data-
   plane nodes.  The data-plane abstractions presented in this document
   are extensible, in order to support many different types of mobility
   management systems and data-plane functions.


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All,

A new version of FPC has been released for your consideration. Major
changes from v09 to v10 include:

      Migration to a Template based framework.  This affects all
      elements.  The framework has a template definition language.

      Basename is split into two aspects.  The first is version which
      applies to Templates.  The second is checkpointing which applies
      to specific sections only.

      Rule was inside Policy and now is Rule-Template and stands as a
      peer structure to Policy.

      Types, e.g.  Descriptor Types, Action Types, etc., are now
      templates that have no values filled in.

      The embedded rule has been replaced by a template that has no
      predefined variables.  All rules, pre-configured or embedded, are
      realized as Policy instantiations.

      The Unassigned DPN is used to track requests vs.  those that are
      installed, i.e. Agent assignment of Policy is supported.

      The Topology system supports selection information by ServiceGroup
      or ServiceEndpoint.

      DPN Peer Groups and DPN Groups are now PeerServiceGroup and
      ServiceGroup.

      Bulk Configuration and Configuration now follow a style similar to
      YANG Patch.  Agents MAY response back with edits it made to
      complete the Client edit request.

      RFC 5777 Classifiers have been added.

      All operations have a common error format.


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Revision:       10
Title:          Protocol for Forwarding Policy Configuration (FPC) in DMM
Document date:  2018-03-05
Group:          dmm
Pages:          135
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Abstract:
   This document describes a way, called Forwarding Policy Configuration
   (FPC) to manage the separation of data-plane and control-plane.  FPC
   defines a flexible mobility management system using FPC agent and FPC
   client functions.  An FPC agent provides an abstract interface to the
   data-plane.  The FPC client configures data-plane nodes by using the
   functions and abstractions provided by the FPC agent for the data-
   plane nodes.  The data-plane abstractions presented in this document
   are extensible, in order to support many different types of mobility
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This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane
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                          Clarence Filsfils
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                          Pablo Camarillo
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Cheers,
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On 3/5/18, 2:45 PM, "Satoru Matsushima" <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
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>Dear DMM chairs,
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>I hope this is not too late. I=1B$B!G=1B(Bd request a 10min slot to presen=
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>updates of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft.
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>Cheers,
>--satoru
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Hi Chairs,

I also hope this should not be late.
I'd like to request a 10 min slot for small update and discussion of DMM
Deployment Models draft.


Regards,
Seil Jeon


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https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-dmm.txt



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>
>I hope this is not too late. I$B!G(Bd request a 10min slot to present the
>updates of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft.
>
>Cheers,
>--satoru
>
>> 2018/03/06 1:50$B!"(BSri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.com>$B$N%a!<%k(B:
>>
>> Folks - This is the Agenda for the DMM Working Group meeting at IETF101.
>>
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-101-dmm/
>>
>> Thanks
>> Dapeng & Sri
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Dear folks,

A new revision of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft has been submitted to =
IETF.

I=E2=80=99d present brief summary of the updates, but the agenda seems =
already full so that it is uncertain I can do that.

So let me share the summary of update on the -01 version here.

A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP over =
IPv6 in addition to GTP over IPv4.
And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with SRH =
instead of SRH insertion by default.=20

Another changes have been made. 5G architecture in 3GPP is shown as a =
reference architecture, as the discussion on the list many people ask =
SRv6 applicability for 5G. As the result, many terminologies are aligned =
based on the reference.

You can see many improvements in terms of readability, especially on =
packet flow explanations. I hope that many of us understand how SRv6 =
works for the deployment cases described in the draft.=20

Pablo has contributed those significant part of progresses and =
improvements. He's now onboard as a co-author of the draft.

Best regards,
--satoru

> =E8=BB=A2=E9=80=81=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E3=83=A1=E3=83=83=E3=82=BB=
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> CC: dmm@ietf.org
>=20
>=20
> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of =
the IETF.
>=20
>        Title           : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane
>        Authors         : Satoru Matsushima
>                          Clarence Filsfils
>                          Miya Kohno
>                          Pablo Camarillo
>                          Daniel Voyer
>                          Charles E. Perkins
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 23
> 	Date            : 2018-03-05
>=20
> Abstract:
>   This document discusses the applicability of SRv6 (Segment Routing
>   IPv6) to user-plane of mobile networks.  The source routing
>   capability and the network programming nature of SRv6, accomplish
>   mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner.  The statelessness
>   and the ability to control underlying layer will be even more
>   beneficial to the mobile user-plane, in terms of providing
>   flexibility and SLA control for various applications.  It also
>   simplifies the network architecture by eliminating the necessity of
>   tunnels, such as GTP-U [TS.29281], PMIP [RFC5213], Mac-in-Mac, MPLS,
>   and so on.  In addition, Segment Routing provides an enhanced method
>   for network slicing, which is briefly introduced by this document.
>=20
>=20
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane/
>=20
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01
> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01=

>=20
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
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>=20
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submission
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>=20
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class=3D"">Dear folks,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">A new revision of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft has been =
submitted to IETF.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I=E2=80=99d present brief summary of the updates, but the =
agenda seems already full so that it is uncertain I can do =
that.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">So let =
me share the summary of update on the -01 version here.</div><div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">A Big progress is that =
the draft supports interworking with GTP over IPv6 in addition to GTP =
over IPv4.</div><div class=3D"">And we have made change SRv6 function to =
IPv6 encapsulation with SRH instead of SRH insertion by =
default.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Another changes have been made. 5G architecture in 3GPP is =
shown as a reference architecture, as the discussion on the list many =
people ask SRv6 applicability for 5G. As the result, many terminologies =
are aligned based on the reference.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">You can see many improvements in terms =
of readability, especially on packet flow explanations. I hope that many =
of us understand how SRv6 works for the deployment cases described in =
the draft.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">Pablo has contributed those significant part of progresses =
and improvements. He's now onboard as a co-author of the =
draft.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>Best regards,<div =
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</b></span><span style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica =
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color:rgba(0, 0, 0, 1.0);" class=3D""><b class=3D"">CC: </b></span><span =
style=3D"font-family: -webkit-system-font, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" =
class=3D"">dmm@ietf.org</a><br class=3D""></span></div><br class=3D""><div=
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available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.<br class=3D"">This=
 draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the =
IETF.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Title =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: Segment =
Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Authors =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: Satoru Matsushima<br =
class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
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bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;Miya Kohno<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;Pablo Camarillo<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;Daniel Voyer<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&n=
bsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;Charles E. Perkins<br class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Filename =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: =
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt<br class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	</span>Pages =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: 23<br =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre">	=
</span>Date =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: =
2018-03-05<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Abstract:<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;This document discusses the applicability of SRv6 (Segment =
Routing<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;IPv6) to user-plane of mobile =
networks. &nbsp;The source routing<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;capability =
and the network programming nature of SRv6, accomplish<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner. &nbsp;The =
statelessness<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;and the ability to control =
underlying layer will be even more<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;beneficial =
to the mobile user-plane, in terms of providing<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;flexibility and SLA control for various applications. =
&nbsp;It also<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;simplifies the network =
architecture by eliminating the necessity of<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;tunnels, such as GTP-U [TS.29281], PMIP [RFC5213], =
Mac-in-Mac, MPLS,<br class=3D""> &nbsp;&nbsp;and so on. &nbsp;In =
addition, Segment Routing provides an enhanced method<br class=3D""> =
&nbsp;&nbsp;for network slicing, which is briefly introduced by this =
document.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">The IETF =
datatracker status page for this draft is:<br class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane=
/" =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-upl=
ane/</a><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">There are also htmlized versions =
available at:<br =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-0=
1<br =
class=3D"">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobil=
e-uplane-01<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">A diff from the previous =
version is available at:<br =
class=3D"">https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-=
uplane-01<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Please note that =
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tools.ietf.org.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Internet-Drafts are also =
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Hi Seil - Ack! If time permits, will try to accommodate this request.

Sri


On 3/5/18, 4:10 PM, "Seil Jeon" <seiljeon@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi Chairs,
>
>I also hope this should not be late.
>I'd like to request a 10 min slot for small update and discussion of DMM
>Deployment Models draft.
>
>
>Regards,
>Seil Jeon
>
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>(sgundave)
>Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:07 PM
>To: Satoru Matsushima; dmm@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 - Call for agenda items
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>Revised =1B$B!D=1B(B
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>https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-dmm.txt
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>On 3/5/18, 2:45 PM, "Satoru Matsushima" <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>Dear DMM chairs,
>>
>>I hope this is not too late. I=1B$B!G=1B(Bd request a 10min slot to prese=
nt the
>>updates of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>--satoru
>>
>>> 2018/03/06 1:50=1B$B!"=1B(BSri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.co=
m>=1B$B$N%a!<%k=1B(B:
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>>> Folks - This is the Agenda for the DMM Working Group meeting at
>>>IETF101.
>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-101-dmm/
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Dapeng & Sri
>>>
>>>
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-dmm.txt


Hope this helps.  We had to reduce the presentation times to accommodate
you guys.

We wanted to allocate proper time for each presentation,  so we can have
some good discussions, but we are back to this short presentation-time
format.=20

Sri







On 3/5/18, 4:10 PM, "Seil Jeon" <seiljeon@gmail.com> wrote:

>Hi Chairs,
>
>I also hope this should not be late.
>I'd like to request a 10 min slot for small update and discussion of DMM
>Deployment Models draft.
>
>
>Regards,
>Seil Jeon
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>(sgundave)
>Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:07 PM
>To: Satoru Matsushima; dmm@ietf.org
>Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 - Call for agenda items
>
>Revised =1B$B!D=1B(B
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>https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/agenda-101-dmm.txt
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>
>
>On 3/5/18, 2:45 PM, "Satoru Matsushima" <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
>wrote:
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>>Dear DMM chairs,
>>
>>I hope this is not too late. I=1B$B!G=1B(Bd request a 10min slot to prese=
nt the
>>updates of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>--satoru
>>
>>> 2018/03/06 1:50=1B$B!"=1B(BSri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.co=
m>=1B$B$N%a!<%k=1B(B:
>>>
>>> Folks - This is the Agenda for the DMM Working Group meeting at
>>>IETF101.
>>>
>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-101-dmm/
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Dapeng & Sri
>>>
>>>
>>>>
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Thank you chairs,

I was bit amazed when I saw the 150min slots has already been fully =
booked. Hope we can have another meeting session during the week.

Cheers,
--satoru


> 2018/03/06 13:58=E3=80=81Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) =
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DMM
>> Deployment Models draft.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Regards,
>> Seil Jeon
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>> (sgundave)
>> Sent: Monday, March 5, 2018 1:07 PM
>> To: Satoru Matsushima; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 - Call for agenda items
>>=20
>> Revised =E2=80=A6
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>> On 3/5/18, 2:45 PM, "Satoru Matsushima" <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>>=20
>>> I hope this is not too late. I=E2=80=99d request a 10min slot to =
present the
>>> updates of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> --satoru
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>>>> 2018/03/06 1:50=E3=80=81Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) =
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On Mon, Mar 5, 2018 at 4:34 PM, Satoru Matsushima
<satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear folks,
>
> A new revision of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft has been submitted to IETF=
.
>
> I=E2=80=99d present brief summary of the updates, but the agenda seems al=
ready full
> so that it is uncertain I can do that.
>
> So let me share the summary of update on the -01 version here.
>
> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP over IPv6=
 in
> addition to GTP over IPv4.
> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with SRH inst=
ead
> of SRH insertion by default.
>

Hi Satoru,

If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when encapsulating
would a SR header still be needed or could this just be simple IP in
IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's possible that ILA
might then be used to completely eliminate the encapsulation overhead.

Tom

> Another changes have been made. 5G architecture in 3GPP is shown as a
> reference architecture, as the discussion on the list many people ask SRv=
6
> applicability for 5G. As the result, many terminologies are aligned based=
 on
> the reference.
>
> You can see many improvements in terms of readability, especially on pack=
et
> flow explanations. I hope that many of us understand how SRv6 works for t=
he
> deployment cases described in the draft.
>
> Pablo has contributed those significant part of progresses and improvemen=
ts.
> He's now onboard as a co-author of the draft.
>
> Best regards,
> --satoru
>
> =E8=BB=A2=E9=80=81=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E3=83=A1=E3=83=83=E3=82=BB=
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> =E5=B7=AE=E5=87=BA=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> directories.
> This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of th=
e
> IETF.
>
>        Title           : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane
>        Authors         : Satoru Matsushima
>                          Clarence Filsfils
>                          Miya Kohno
>                          Pablo Camarillo
>                          Daniel Voyer
>                          Charles E. Perkins
> Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
> Pages           : 23
> Date            : 2018-03-05
>
> Abstract:
>   This document discusses the applicability of SRv6 (Segment Routing
>   IPv6) to user-plane of mobile networks.  The source routing
>   capability and the network programming nature of SRv6, accomplish
>   mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner.  The statelessness
>   and the ability to control underlying layer will be even more
>   beneficial to the mobile user-plane, in terms of providing
>   flexibility and SLA control for various applications.  It also
>   simplifies the network architecture by eliminating the necessity of
>   tunnels, such as GTP-U [TS.29281], PMIP [RFC5213], Mac-in-Mac, MPLS,
>   and so on.  In addition, Segment Routing provides an enhanced method
>   for network slicing, which is briefly introduced by this document.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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Hello Tom,

>> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP over =
IPv6 in
>> addition to GTP over IPv4.
>> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with SRH =
instead
>> of SRH insertion by default.
>>=20
>=20
> Hi Satoru,
>=20
> If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when encapsulating
> would a SR header still be needed or could this just be simple IP in
> IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's possible that ILA
> might then be used to completely eliminate the encapsulation overhead.

I think you=E2=80=99re right. You would find that case in the draft as =
=E2=80=98Traditional Mode=E2=80=99 which is equivalent with traditional =
GTP-U case. You seem you say ILA is also equivalent with that mode. In =
addition, this draft introduces =E2=80=98Enhance Mode=E2=80=99 to cover =
more advanced cases.

IMO SR is designed not to maintain path states except at an ingress =
node. So the packet need to preserve original DA in the header that keep =
the egress node in stateless. It would be great if ILA is designed in =
the similar concept as well.

If it=E2=80=99s not, it looks a kind of tradeoff, between reducing the =
overhead and keeping the statelessness. It=E2=80=99s not apple-to-apple =
comparison. To decide to choose which one need to be prioritized would =
depend on each deployment case in operators IMO.

Cheers,
--satoru=


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On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 11:29 AM, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
<pcamaril@cisco.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
>
>
> Re: your comment on EH insertion.
>
>
>
> This point is not applicable; a new version of srv6-mobile-uplane
> (https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01) is
>
> published making SRv6 encapsulation the default.
>
Yes, thank you for addressing the issue!

Tom

>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Pablo
>
>
>
> From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Satoru Matsushima
> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
> Date: Tuesday, 6 March 2018 at 01:34
> To: dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
> Subject: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>
>
>
> Dear folks,
>
>
>
> A new revision of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft has been submitted to IETF=
.
>
>
>
> I=E2=80=99d present brief summary of the updates, but the agenda seems al=
ready full
> so that it is uncertain I can do that.
>
>
>
> So let me share the summary of update on the -01 version here.
>
>
>
> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP over IPv6=
 in
> addition to GTP over IPv4.
>
> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with SRH inst=
ead
> of SRH insertion by default.
>
>
>
> Another changes have been made. 5G architecture in 3GPP is shown as a
> reference architecture, as the discussion on the list many people ask SRv=
6
> applicability for 5G. As the result, many terminologies are aligned based=
 on
> the reference.
>
>
>
> You can see many improvements in terms of readability, especially on pack=
et
> flow explanations. I hope that many of us understand how SRv6 works for t=
he
> deployment cases described in the draft.
>
>
>
> Pablo has contributed those significant part of progresses and improvemen=
ts.
> He's now onboard as a co-author of the draft.
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> --satoru
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
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> This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of th=
e
> IETF.
>
>        Title           : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane
>        Authors         : Satoru Matsushima
>                          Clarence Filsfils
>                          Miya Kohno
>                          Pablo Camarillo
>                          Daniel Voyer
>                          Charles E. Perkins
> Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
> Pages           : 23
> Date            : 2018-03-05
>
> Abstract:
>   This document discusses the applicability of SRv6 (Segment Routing
>   IPv6) to user-plane of mobile networks.  The source routing
>   capability and the network programming nature of SRv6, accomplish
>   mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner.  The statelessness
>   and the ability to control underlying layer will be even more
>   beneficial to the mobile user-plane, in terms of providing
>   flexibility and SLA control for various applications.  It also
>   simplifies the network architecture by eliminating the necessity of
>   tunnels, such as GTP-U [TS.29281], PMIP [RFC5213], Mac-in-Mac, MPLS,
>   and so on.  In addition, Segment Routing provides an enhanced method
>   for network slicing, which is briefly introduced by this document.
>
>
> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane/
>
> There are also htmlized versions available at:
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>
> A diff from the previous version is available at:
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>
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Hi Sri,

Apologies for the delayed reaction. We were busy with the last minute
I-D submission.

Regarding the changes that went into -08, this is my summary:

- Drastic shortening of the document, aiming at reducing its complexity
and length. We have shortened from ~45 pages to ~15 pages.

- Simplification of the terminology and associated drawings, to just
focus on data plane anchors (control plane is mentioned, but the
document is about anchoring, so it is about data plane).

- Removal of parts about hierarchical networks and NEMO.

- Minimization of all the part about anchor mobility, as there is no
solution that the WG has identified as viable. We limit the doc to
anchor switching and anchor selection.

- Keep the focus on the document being informational (it is not
normative, so no solution is specified).

Regarding open issues, I'd like to request some volunteers in the WG to
take a look (even a first quick one) to provide some feedback about
whether we are on the right track or not. It'd be really ideal if we
could have some discussion before the f2f in London, so we could try to
close/decide on open issues by the London meeting.

Thanks!

Carlos

On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 19:05 +0000, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
> Hi Carlos/Anthony/Authors,
> 
> Thanks for the updates. Please summarize the changes that went into
> -08
> version, and also let the WG know on the open issues.
> 
> Sri
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/2/18, 10:15 AM, "dmm on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org"
> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> > directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG
> > of
> > the IETF.
> > 
> >        Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
> >        Authors         : H. Anthony Chan
> >                          Xinpeng Wei
> >                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
> >                          Seil Jeon
> >                          Carlos J. Bernardos
> > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-
> > anchoring-08.txt
> > 	Pages           : 15
> > 	Date            : 2018-03-02
> > 
> > Abstract:
> >   This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of
> > the
> >   different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility
> >   support.  A network may be configured with distributed mobility
> >   anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility
> >   support according to the needs of mobility support.  In the
> >   distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are
> >   available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor.  To
> > start
> >   a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session
> > continuity as
> >   a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started or
> > re-
> >   started using a new IP address configured from the new IP prefix
> >   which is anchored to the new network.  The mobility functions and
> >   their operations and parameters are general for different
> >   configurations.
> > 
> > 
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobilit
> > y-ancho
> > ring/
> > 
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
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> > horing-
> > 08
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mo
> > bility-
> > anchoring-08
> > 
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
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Hi,

We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
comments we got in Singapore:

- Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment received
from Sri).
- Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
(addressing a comment received from Danny).

Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-
models and other minor changes.

In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
request feedback/reviews from the WG.

Thanks!

Carlos

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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director=
ies.


        Title           : Proxy Mobile IPv6 extensions for Distributed Mobi=
lity Management
        Authors         : Carlos J. Bernardos
                          Antonio de la Oliva
                          Fabio Giust
                          Juan Carlos Zuniga
                          Alain Mourad
	Filename        : draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
	Pages           : 32
	Date            : 2018-03-02

Abstract:
   Distributed Mobility Management solutions allow for setting up
   networks so that traffic is distributed in an optimal way and does
   not rely on centralized deployed anchors to provide IP mobility
   support.

   There are many different approaches to address Distributed Mobility
   Management, as for example extending network-based mobility protocols
   (like Proxy Mobile IPv6), or client-based mobility protocols (as
   Mobile IPv6), among others.  This document follows the former
   approach, and proposes a solution based on Proxy Mobile IPv6 in which
   mobility sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router (called
   mobility anchor and access router).  The mobility anchor and access
   router is an enhanced access router which is also able to operate as
   local mobility anchor or mobility access gateway, on a per prefix
   basis.  The document focuses on the required extensions to
   effectively support simultaneously anchoring several flows at
   different distributed gateways.

   This document introduces the concept of distributed logical
   interface, which is a software construct that allows to easily hide
   the change of anchor from the mobile node.



The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif/

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Hi Carlos, Anthony,

I had a brief look and see a big improvement, way better to read. Since I v=
olunteered during last f2f to review (..),
I'll take the current version and we can follow your proposal to talk befor=
e the f2f.

marco

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From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Jes=FAs Bernard=
os Cano
Sent: Dienstag, 6. M=E4rz 2018 22:40
To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchorin=
g-08.txt

Hi Sri,

Apologies for the delayed reaction. We were busy with the last minute I-D s=
ubmission.

Regarding the changes that went into -08, this is my summary:

- Drastic shortening of the document, aiming at reducing its complexity and=
 length. We have shortened from ~45 pages to ~15 pages.

- Simplification of the terminology and associated drawings, to just focus =
on data plane anchors (control plane is mentioned, but the document is abou=
t anchoring, so it is about data plane).

- Removal of parts about hierarchical networks and NEMO.

- Minimization of all the part about anchor mobility, as there is no soluti=
on that the WG has identified as viable. We limit the doc to anchor switchi=
ng and anchor selection.

- Keep the focus on the document being informational (it is not normative, =
so no solution is specified).

Regarding open issues, I'd like to request some volunteers in the WG to tak=
e a look (even a first quick one) to provide some feedback about whether we=
 are on the right track or not. It'd be really ideal if we could have some =
discussion before the f2f in London, so we could try to close/decide on ope=
n issues by the London meeting.

Thanks!

Carlos

On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 19:05 +0000, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
> Hi Carlos/Anthony/Authors,
>=20
> Thanks for the updates. Please summarize the changes that went into
> -08
> version, and also let the WG know on the open issues.
>=20
> Sri
>=20
>=20
>=20
> On 3/2/18, 10:15 AM, "dmm on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org"
> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>=20
> >=20
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts=20
> > directories.
> > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG=20
> > of the IETF.
> >=20
> >        Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
> >        Authors         : H. Anthony Chan
> >                          Xinpeng Wei
> >                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
> >                          Seil Jeon
> >                          Carlos J. Bernardos
> > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-
> > anchoring-08.txt
> > 	Pages           : 15
> > 	Date            : 2018-03-02
> >=20
> > Abstract:
> >   This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of=20
> > the
> >   different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility
> >   support.  A network may be configured with distributed mobility
> >   anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility
> >   support according to the needs of mobility support.  In the
> >   distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are
> >   available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor.  To=20
> > start
> >   a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session continuity=20
> > as
> >   a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started or
> > re-
> >   started using a new IP address configured from the new IP prefix
> >   which is anchored to the new network.  The mobility functions and
> >   their operations and parameters are general for different
> >   configurations.
> >=20
> >=20
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobilit
> > y-ancho
> > ring/
> >=20
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
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> > horing-
> > 08
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mo
> > bility-
> > anchoring-08
> >=20
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobili
> > ty-anch
> > oring-08
> >=20
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Thanks a lot Marco!

Looking forward to getting your comments.

Carlos

On Wed, 2018-03-07 at 09:28 +0000, Marco Liebsch wrote:
> Hi Carlos, Anthony,
> 
> I had a brief look and see a big improvement, way better to read.
> Since I volunteered during last f2f to review (..),
> I'll take the current version and we can follow your proposal to talk
> before the f2f.
> 
> marco
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Jesús
> Bernardos Cano
> Sent: Dienstag, 6. März 2018 22:40
> To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave); dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-
> anchoring-08.txt
> 
> Hi Sri,
> 
> Apologies for the delayed reaction. We were busy with the last minute
> I-D submission.
> 
> Regarding the changes that went into -08, this is my summary:
> 
> - Drastic shortening of the document, aiming at reducing its
> complexity and length. We have shortened from ~45 pages to ~15 pages.
> 
> - Simplification of the terminology and associated drawings, to just
> focus on data plane anchors (control plane is mentioned, but the
> document is about anchoring, so it is about data plane).
> 
> - Removal of parts about hierarchical networks and NEMO.
> 
> - Minimization of all the part about anchor mobility, as there is no
> solution that the WG has identified as viable. We limit the doc to
> anchor switching and anchor selection.
> 
> - Keep the focus on the document being informational (it is not
> normative, so no solution is specified).
> 
> Regarding open issues, I'd like to request some volunteers in the WG
> to take a look (even a first quick one) to provide some feedback
> about whether we are on the right track or not. It'd be really ideal
> if we could have some discussion before the f2f in London, so we
> could try to close/decide on open issues by the London meeting.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Carlos
> 
> On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 19:05 +0000, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
> > Hi Carlos/Anthony/Authors,
> > 
> > Thanks for the updates. Please summarize the changes that went into
> > -08
> > version, and also let the WG know on the open issues.
> > 
> > Sri
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On 3/2/18, 10:15 AM, "dmm on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org"
> > <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-
> > > Drafts 
> > > directories.
> > > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management
> > > WG 
> > > of the IETF.
> > > 
> > >        Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
> > >        Authors         : H. Anthony Chan
> > >                          Xinpeng Wei
> > >                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
> > >                          Seil Jeon
> > >                          Carlos J. Bernardos
> > > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-
> > > anchoring-08.txt
> > > 	Pages           : 15
> > > 	Date            : 2018-03-02
> > > 
> > > Abstract:
> > >   This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms
> > > of 
> > > the
> > >   different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility
> > >   support.  A network may be configured with distributed mobility
> > >   anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based
> > > mobility
> > >   support according to the needs of mobility support.  In the
> > >   distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors
> > > are
> > >   available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix
> > > anchor.  To 
> > > start
> > >   a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session
> > > continuity 
> > > as
> > >   a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started
> > > or
> > > re-
> > >   started using a new IP address configured from the new IP
> > > prefix
> > >   which is anchored to the new network.  The mobility functions
> > > and
> > >   their operations and parameters are general for different
> > >   configurations.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobil
> > > it
> > > y-ancho
> > > ring/
> > > 
> > > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-a
> > > nc
> > > horing-
> > > 08
> > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-
> > > mo
> > > bility-
> > > anchoring-08
> > > 
> > > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobi
> > > li
> > > ty-anch
> > > oring-08
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time
> > > of 
> > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at 
> > > tools.ietf.org.
> > > 
> > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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Marco,

> 2018/03/07 18:41=E3=80=81Marco Liebsch =
<Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>=20
> Satoru,
>=20
> since I read this at different places, let me ask one clarifying =
question about the stateless motivation:=20
>=20
> I see that for SRv6 you may not need a state at the egress (at least =
not for traffic forwarding) but for
> Uplink/Downlink (UL/DL) you need a state at both edges of the =
communication since the DL egress
> serves as uplink ingress, correct?

2x unidirectional tunnels to form bidirectional paths require 4 states =
in total at both the ingress and egress.
In SR case it requires just 2 states at the ingresses for both =
directions.

Cheers,
--satoru



>=20
> marco
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru Matsushima
> Sent: Dienstag, 6. M=C3=A4rz 2018 17:23
> To: Tom Herbert
> Cc: dmm
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action: =
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>=20
> Hello Tom,
>=20
>>> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP over=20=

>>> IPv6 in addition to GTP over IPv4.
>>> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with SRH=20=

>>> instead of SRH insertion by default.
>>>=20
>>=20
>> Hi Satoru,
>>=20
>> If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when =
encapsulating=20
>> would a SR header still be needed or could this just be simple IP in=20=

>> IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's possible that ILA=20
>> might then be used to completely eliminate the encapsulation =
overhead.
>=20
> I think you=E2=80=99re right. You would find that case in the draft as =
=E2=80=98Traditional Mode=E2=80=99 which is equivalent with traditional =
GTP-U case. You seem you say ILA is also equivalent with that mode. In =
addition, this draft introduces =E2=80=98Enhance Mode=E2=80=99 to cover =
more advanced cases.
>=20
> IMO SR is designed not to maintain path states except at an ingress =
node. So the packet need to preserve original DA in the header that keep =
the egress node in stateless. It would be great if ILA is designed in =
the similar concept as well.
>=20
> If it=E2=80=99s not, it looks a kind of tradeoff, between reducing the =
overhead and keeping the statelessness. It=E2=80=99s not apple-to-apple =
comparison. To decide to choose which one need to be prioritized would =
depend on each deployment case in operators IMO.
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> Cheers,
> --satoru
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Thanks Carlos.

Folks - Please review the document and post your feedback.

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt



At IETF100, we polled the WG feedback for adopting this document and there
was consensus for adopting this document. However, we chose not to adopt
the document as there were no recent discussions in the mailer on this
document. We therefore request the WG for feedback in the mailer. We plan
to issue an adoption call post IETF101, but we need some feedback and
substantial comments.


Dapeng & Sri




On 3/6/18, 2:17 PM, "dmm on behalf of Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
>comments we got in Singapore:
>
>- Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
>deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment received
>from Sri).
>- Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
>(addressing a comment received from Danny).
>
>Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-
>models and other minor changes.
>
>In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
>request feedback/reviews from the WG.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Carlos


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The following message commences a three week WGLC for  draft-ietf-dmm-ondem=
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The document went through several revisions and there were good amount of r=
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Please post any substantial comments on the draft. We plan to move this doc=
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Document Link:
 https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-13.txt


Authors:
Please (re) send some detailed notes on all the comments received in the re=
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Hi Carlo,

Thank you.

> - Drastic shortening of the document, aiming at reducing its complexity
>and length. We have shortened from ~45 pages to ~15 pages.

Incredible!=20

This is exactly what I hoped for. I never understood why there was so much
of text and what it was saying. This helps in IESG reviews. Given that its
a significant re-write, we unfortunately require some good amount of new
reviews. But, this is progress.


Sri





On 3/6/18, 1:40 PM, "Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano" <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote=
:

>Hi Sri,
>
>Apologies for the delayed reaction. We were busy with the last minute
>I-D submission.
>
>Regarding the changes that went into -08, this is my summary:
>
>- Drastic shortening of the document, aiming at reducing its complexity
>and length. We have shortened from ~45 pages to ~15 pages.
>
>- Simplification of the terminology and associated drawings, to just
>focus on data plane anchors (control plane is mentioned, but the
>document is about anchoring, so it is about data plane).
>
>- Removal of parts about hierarchical networks and NEMO.
>
>- Minimization of all the part about anchor mobility, as there is no
>solution that the WG has identified as viable. We limit the doc to
>anchor switching and anchor selection.
>
>- Keep the focus on the document being informational (it is not
>normative, so no solution is specified).
>
>Regarding open issues, I'd like to request some volunteers in the WG to
>take a look (even a first quick one) to provide some feedback about
>whether we are on the right track or not. It'd be really ideal if we
>could have some discussion before the f2f in London, so we could try to
>close/decide on open issues by the London meeting.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Carlos
>
>On Fri, 2018-03-02 at 19:05 +0000, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
>> Hi Carlos/Anthony/Authors,
>>=20
>> Thanks for the updates. Please summarize the changes that went into
>> -08
>> version, and also let the WG know on the open issues.
>>=20
>> Sri
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 3/2/18, 10:15 AM, "dmm on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org"
>> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:
>>=20
>> >=20
>> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> > directories.
>> > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG
>> > of
>> > the IETF.
>> >=20
>> >        Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
>> >        Authors         : H. Anthony Chan
>> >                          Xinpeng Wei
>> >                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
>> >                          Seil Jeon
>> >                          Carlos J. Bernardos
>> > 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-
>> > anchoring-08.txt
>> > 	Pages           : 15
>> > 	Date            : 2018-03-02
>> >=20
>> > Abstract:
>> >   This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of
>> > the
>> >   different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility
>> >   support.  A network may be configured with distributed mobility
>> >   anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility
>> >   support according to the needs of mobility support.  In the
>> >   distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are
>> >   available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor.  To
>> > start
>> >   a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session
>> > continuity as
>> >   a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started or
>> > re-
>> >   started using a new IP address configured from the new IP prefix
>> >   which is anchored to the new network.  The mobility functions and
>> >   their operations and parameters are general for different
>> >   configurations.
>> >=20
>> >=20
>> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobilit
>> > y-ancho
>> > ring/
>> >=20
>> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
>> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anc
>> > horing-
>> > 08
>> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mo
>> > bility-
>> > anchoring-08
>> >=20
>> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobili
>> > ty-anch
>> > oring-08
>> >=20
>> >=20
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FYI. A blog entry posted to APNIC:

"Reducing the complexity of 5G networks using Segment Routing IPv6"
=
https://blog.apnic.net/2018/03/07/reducing-complexity-5g-networks-using-se=
gment-routing-ipv6/

Please take a look.

Cheers,
--satoru


> 2018/03/06 9:34=E3=80=81Satoru Matsushima =
<satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>=20
> Dear folks,
>=20
> A new revision of SRv6 Mobile User Plane draft has been submitted to =
IETF.
>=20
> I=E2=80=99d present brief summary of the updates, but the agenda seems =
already full so that it is uncertain I can do that.
>=20
> So let me share the summary of update on the -01 version here.
>=20
> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP over =
IPv6 in addition to GTP over IPv4.
> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with SRH =
instead of SRH insertion by default.=20
>=20
> Another changes have been made. 5G architecture in 3GPP is shown as a =
reference architecture, as the discussion on the list many people ask =
SRv6 applicability for 5G. As the result, many terminologies are aligned =
based on the reference.
>=20
> You can see many improvements in terms of readability, especially on =
packet flow explanations. I hope that many of us understand how SRv6 =
works for the deployment cases described in the draft.=20
>=20
> Pablo has contributed those significant part of progresses and =
improvements. He's now onboard as a co-author of the draft.
>=20
> Best regards,
> --satoru
>=20
>> =E8=BB=A2=E9=80=81=E3=81=95=E3=82=8C=E3=81=9F=E3=83=A1=E3=83=83=E3=82=BB=
=E3=83=BC=E3=82=B8:
>>=20
>> =E5=B7=AE=E5=87=BA=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org
>> =E4=BB=B6=E5=90=8D: [DMM] I-D Action: =
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>> =E6=97=A5=E4=BB=98: 2018=E5=B9=B43=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5 7:42:01 JST
>> =E5=AE=9B=E5=85=88: <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
>> CC: dmm@ietf.org
>>=20
>>=20
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG =
of the IETF.
>>=20
>>        Title           : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane
>>        Authors         : Satoru Matsushima
>>                          Clarence Filsfils
>>                          Miya Kohno
>>                          Pablo Camarillo
>>                          Daniel Voyer
>>                          Charles E. Perkins
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>> 	Pages           : 23
>> 	Date            : 2018-03-05
>>=20
>> Abstract:
>>   This document discusses the applicability of SRv6 (Segment Routing
>>   IPv6) to user-plane of mobile networks.  The source routing
>>   capability and the network programming nature of SRv6, accomplish
>>   mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner.  The statelessness
>>   and the ability to control underlying layer will be even more
>>   beneficial to the mobile user-plane, in terms of providing
>>   flexibility and SLA control for various applications.  It also
>>   simplifies the network architecture by eliminating the necessity of
>>   tunnels, such as GTP-U [TS.29281], PMIP [RFC5213], Mac-in-Mac, =
MPLS,
>>   and so on.  In addition, Segment Routing provides an enhanced =
method
>>   for network slicing, which is briefly introduced by this document.
>>=20
>>=20
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane/
>>=20
>> There are also htmlized versions available at:
>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01
>> =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01=

>>=20
>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
>> =
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01
>>=20
>>=20
>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of =
submission
>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.
>>=20
>> Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
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From: Carlos =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jes=FAs?= Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>
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Hi Dirk,

Thanks a lot for the feedback. Please see inline below.

On Wed, 2018-03-07 at 12:54 +0000, Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de wrote:
> Dear Carlos and co-authors, all,
> thanks for the improvements!
> I think the draft is quite well written and provides a good approach
> to real distribution of functionalities in DMM. What might be made
> clearer is the difference between partially and fully DMM you have
> introduced.
> See also as mentioned below in the list of detected nits:
> 
> Figs. 2 - 4: exhibiting ? instead of ' on Data packet Flow part ...

OK, fixed in -02.

> 
> p. 5: Home-CPA [I assume it means the same as H-CPA defined in ch. 2:
> I suggest to use one acronym only].

Agre, fixed.

> PMIPv6 DMM extenstions => PMIPv6 DMM extensions
> the entities that participates => the entities that participate
> p. 8: Also, the CMD send a PBA => Also, the CMD sends a PBA
> p.10: This procedure reflect => This procedure reflects
> address OS taken  => address is taken [??]

Thanks, all fixed.

> p.12: Partial DMM architecture - I wonder whether this should be
> introduced as new term in ch. 2 e.g.

Thanks, we have rewritten it a bit.

> 
> Partial DMM architecture. DMM architecture based on PMIP where MAGs
> and LMAs are distributed in Data Plane but Control Plane of LMA is
> centralized in CMD [if I understood correctly]
> Further more when fully DMM solutions are mentioned (later) - is that
> the (only) difference? Should one describe that in more detail?

We have rewritten the text to avoid the use of "Partial DMM".

>  
> of the mobile selecting	=> of the mobile node selecting

Fixed.

> p.13: HSS [why not using 3GPP-independent term CMD here?] - same on 

When used as an example, I prefer to keep it. 

> p.15 ...
> p.15: mn1dgw2/mn1dgw1 [not used in Fig.6, shouldn't it say
> mn1mar2/mn1mar1 instead?]

Fixed.

> the serving MAAR (MAAR1) => the serving MAAR (MAAR2) [right? Since
> MAAR2 is the actual S-MAAR of MN1 in Fig. 6]

Right, fixed.

> consider by 3GPP => considered by 3GPP
> p.20: This field MUST be set to 34.=> This field MUST be set to
> 33.[according to format above unless an 8-bit Reserved field is
> included as in other formats ...]
> p.23: on the serving distributed gateway => on the S-MAAR [another
> left-over by previous version ...] 
> p.25: we describe =>  we describe
> p.27: ot the operators => of the operators

All fixed.

> both solution apply the same signalling scheme => meaning full and
> partial or rather operation of the solution in both (of mentioned
> multiple) domains here?

Meaning the solution in both domains. We have clarified it.

> p.28: then stop the BCE => then stops the BCE
> p.30: mobile edge computing (MEC) =>  multi-access edge computing
> (MEC) [as defined by ETSI which is explicitly mentioned!]
> edge ir the => edge or the [edge near the?]

All fixed.

Thanks a lot!

Carlos

> 
> Thanks and best regards
> Dirk
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Jesús
> Bernardos Cano
> Sent: Dienstag, 6. März 2018 23:18
> To: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: [DMM] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-
> 01.txt]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
> comments we got in Singapore:
> 
> - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
> deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment received
> from Sri).
> - Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
> (addressing a comment received from Danny).
> 
> Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-
> deployment- models and other minor changes.
> 
> In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
> request feedback/reviews from the WG.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Carlos


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Hi Xinpeng,

thanks a lot for the review. Please see inline below.

On Thu, 2018-03-08 at 03:59 +0000, Weixinpeng (Jackie) wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
> Thanks for the improvement of the document, I think the document is
> well structured and provide a good solution for distributed mobility
> management.
> The following are some of my comments:
> 1. Page7. "...MAAR1 definitely stores the temporal BCE previously
> allocated and unicasts a Router Advertisement (RA) to the MN
> including the prefix reserved before..."，The prefix allocation
>  to MN is restricted to RA mechanism, but there would be alternative
> methods, for instance in 4G, network can send prefix information
> through 3GPP-specific signaling. So i think it's better to 
> consider whether restricted to RA or not.

OK, we'll look into it in -02.

> 2. As MN moves across MAARs there could be many P-MAAR exist, It's
> better to give a brief description of how to cope with it.

OK. We'll add some text about that.

> 3. The solution doesn't differentiate different session continuity
> requirement, so how the solution coexist with the on-demand solution,
> or you want to promote a solution independent from the on-demand one?

The solution is compatible with on-demand, meaning that it can be used
only for those sessions that demand session continuity. We leave the
details on how to do this out-of-the-scope, but we can add some text.

> 4. Page13. There is no reference for "HSS", I suggest add a reference
> for it, or just remove it.

We use it as one example of control plane anchor. We will expand the
acronym in -02.

> 5. Page15. " ...sent over those logical interfaces playing the role
> of anchoring MAARs (different from the serving one) include a zero
> prefix lifetime... " Two lifetime related fields is included in RA
> message, Vaild Lifetime and Preferred Lifetime, I think the lifetime
> you mentioned is Preferred Lifetime. Maybe how to set the value of
> Valid Lifetime should be described.

Thanks, we will clarify in -02. We actually refer to the Valid
Lifetime, so the address is deprecated.

Thanks!

Carlos

> 
> Regards,
> -Xinpeng (Jackie)
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Carlos Jesús
> Bernardos Cano
> Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2018 6:18 AM
> To: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: [DMM] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-
> 01.txt]
> 
> Hi,
> 
> We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
> comments we got in Singapore:
> 
> - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
> deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment received
> from Sri).
> - Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
> (addressing a comment received from Danny).
> 
> Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-
> deployment- models and other minor changes.
> 
> In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
> request feedback/reviews from the WG.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Carlos


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<div><font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;">Title:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Optimized Mobile User Plane Solutio=
ns for 5G</span></font></div>
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2018-03-05</span></font></div>
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nt protocols for potential replacement of GTP tunnels between</span></font>=
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Thanks for sharing this paper; makes the case for your SRv6 work in DMM.
Great work!!!=20

Sri



On 3/7/18, 3:34 PM, "dmm on behalf of Satoru Matsushima"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:

>FYI. A blog entry posted to APNIC:
>
>"Reducing the complexity of 5G networks using Segment Routing IPv6"
>https://blog.apnic.net/2018/03/07/reducing-complexity-5g-networks-using-se
>gment-routing-ipv6/
>
>Please take a look.
>
>Cheers,
>--satoru


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Le 06/03/2018 à 23:17, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the 
> comments we got in Singapore:
> 
> - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm- 
> deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment received
> from Sri). - Added some text relating to 
> draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility (addressing a comment received from 
> Danny).
> 
> Additionally, we added some terminology from 
> draft-ietf-dmm-deployment- models and other minor changes.
> 
> In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to 
> request feedback/reviews from the WG.

Carlos, here are some comments.

> Current IP mobility solutions, standardized with the names of Mobile
>  IPv6 [RFC6275], or Proxy Mobile IPv6 [RFC5213], just to cite the two
>  most relevant examples, offer mobility support at the cost of 
> handling operations at a cardinal point, the mobility anchor,

By mobility anchor I think you mean HA or LMA.

> (i.e., mobility is offered on a per-node basis, not being possible to
> define finer granularity policies, as for example per-application).

Just some thought: it's 'per-node(s)' basis vs 'per-application' basis,
because there is also 'per-nodes' vs 'per-node', i.e per-MH vs per-MR.

> o  The LMA is relieved from the data forwarding role, only the 
> Binding Cache and its management operations are maintained.  Hence 
> the LMA is renamed into Central Mobility Database (CMD), which is 
> therefore a Home-CPA.  Also, the CMD is able to send and parse both 
> PBU and PBA messages.

It's renamed, but it still is a single-point-of-failure?

> o  The MAG is enriched with the LMA functionalities, hence the name 
> Mobility Anchor and Access Router (MAAR).  It maintains a local 
> Binding Cache for the MNs that are attached to it and it is able to 
> send and parse PBU and PBA messages.

Have you tried to disconnect CMD and the system still worked, just with
MAARs?

[...]

> temporal
   temporary

> definitely
   definitively(?)

[...]

Overall, I have the feeling there are still some tunnels (MAAR1 to
MAAR2), so still the paths are not shortest possible.

> HSS
   What it means?

> In order to maintain the prefix anchored at MAAR1 reachable, a
> tunnel between MAAR1 and MAAR2 is established and the routing is
> modified accordingly.

When you say 'routing is modified accordingly' does it mean that
tunnel-related entries in the routing tables of MAAR1 and MAAR2 are
updated?  Or does it mean that entries _not_ related to the tunnels are
updated?

> 3.6.  The Distributed Logical Interface (DLIF) concept

I like the idea of the network presenting itself as a same entity to the
MN.  Whether the MN is attached to MAAR1 or to MAAR2, the MN sees the
same MAC address and IP address of the default router.

However, I have difficulty to grasp the term 'distributed logical
interface'.  It sounds as if the same interface name, e.g. 'mn1mar1',
was present on both MAAR1 and MAAR2.  In reality, only the triplet 'MAC
address', 'link-local address' and the 'global prefix' are same on MAAR1
and MAAR2 interfaces.  These latter are called differently, though:
'mn1mar1' and 'mn1mar2'.

Maybe the DLIF could be named 'mn1marx'.  But I dont think you ifconfig
'mn1marx' whereas I am almost sure you do ifconfig mn1mar1 and ifconfig
mn1mar2.

> Each serving MAAR exposes itself towards a given MN as multiple
> routers, one per active anchoring MAAR associated to the MN.

'serving MAAR' vs 'active anchoring MAAR' ok, but sometimes you have 
just 'anchoring MAAR'.

One wonders whether the 'anchoring MAAR' is an S-MAAR or P-MAAR.

Overall, you have:
- Serving MAAR
- Previous MAAR
- [non-active] anchoring MAAR
- active anchoring MAAR

Not sure which is which since the latter two are not defined in Terminology.

> This is similar to the LIPA scenario currently being
>    consider by 3GPP. 

LIPA... appears just once, I do not know it.

> These routes are advertised through the distributed
>    logical interface representing the MAAR providing access to the local
>    network (MAAR1 in this example).

By 'distributed logical interface' do you mean mn1marx or mn1mar1, 
mn1mar2...?  Do you mean there is an radvd on each of mn1mar1, mn1mar2 
advertising that prefix?  Do you mean you modify the radvd.conf file 
each time the MN moves, and restart the radvd daemon ?

Do you mean there is only one radvd that runs on the DLIF called 'mn1marx'?

>  Prefix Length
> 
>       8-bit unsigned integer indicating the prefix length of the IPv6
>       prefix contained in the option.

This 'Prefix Length' variable appears several times in the message 
formats, yet all the examples of prefixes shown in the draft are of 
length precisely 64.  I do not understand why.

In order to illustrate that is true variable, can we have one of the 
examples that says '63' instead of '64'?

Otherwise, it may sound little logical to keep that as variable.  Just 
use /64s everywhere and dont transmit Prefix Length in no message.

Alex


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This message contains a list of substantial comments received for draft-iet=
f-dmm-ondemand-mobility. These comments were received on the DMM mailing li=
st, during DMM WG session and via other email exchange. They are ordered fr=
om most resent to older ones:

*        Provide on the mailing list, a list of use-cases for each address =
type

*        Add the Graceful-replacement address type

*        Select alternative for resolving the need to maintain the non-bloc=
king nature of setsockopt() - add the setsc() function

*        Do not use setsockopt() in a way that blocks the invoking thread u=
ntil a prefix is allocated by the network.

*        Add coding example to the draft

*        Merge with I-D.sijeon-dmm-use-cases-api-source

*        Remove the text indicating source IP address allocation by the net=
work. Leave only source IP prefix allocation.

BR,
Danny
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This message contains a list of substantial comments=
 received for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility. These comments were receive=
d on the DMM mailing list, during DMM WG session and via other email exchan=
ge. They are ordered from most resent
 to older ones:<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Provide on the mail=
ing list, a list of use-cases for each address type
<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Add the Graceful-re=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Select alternative =
for resolving the need to maintain the non-blocking nature of setsockopt() =
&#8211; add the setsc() function<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Do not use setsocko=
pt() in a way that blocks the invoking thread until a prefix is allocated b=
y the network.<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Add coding example =
to the draft<o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir=3D"LTR"></span>Merge with I-D.sije=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">BR,<o:p></o:p></p>
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On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 10:13 AM, Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril)
<pcamaril@cisco.com> wrote:
> Tom,
>
> Your understanding is correct: in the traditional mode there is no pushed=
 SRH
> =E2=80=A2       Less MTU overhead than GTP in traditional mode.
> =E2=80=A2       In enhanced mode with underlay TE with SLA bandwidth with=
 stateless service chaining we use the SRH.
>
Hi Pablo,

I see. So in traditional mode this would just use simple IPIP
encapsulation in path towards a mobile node. Conceptually, ILA could
be applied int his case to eliminate the encapsulation overhead. That
is an interesting possibility, although since SR is not involved in
traditional mode the association with SR in the name might be a bit
confusing to the reader ;-).

I haven't completely thought through possibility of using ILA in
enhanced mode, but it conceivable that ILA could be used on
segments.For instance, the SIDs themselves might be virtual nodes, and
ILA could be used to map them in to real devices at each hop.

> Any solution other than SRv6 requires an independent layer for underlay T=
E(1) and service chaining(2)
> =E2=80=A2       Do you contemplate combining ILA with RSVP for 1 and NSH =
for 2 causing explosion of state in the underlay??

Intent is that ILA can work with NSH, network, slices or other L2
mechanisms. ILA is confined to networks, so it doesn't make any
requirements of lower layers, but is hould be able to work with them.

The state we are concerned with in ILA is the number of
identifier/locator mappings in the network. I believe that is a common
problem across most proposals.

> =E2=80=A2       What is the overhead in ILA when supporting IPv4 or Ether=
net PDU sessions? It must be greater, right?
>
Yes, it is greater. It requires a protocol translation where 20 bytes
is expanded to 40 bytes. In itself it might just be as easy to
encapsulate, however in the virtualization use case there are cases
where protocol translation is quite valuable since it allows us to
create a globally routable address for a node in a tenant network that
may be using private IPv4 address (e.g. RFC1918).

Tom

> Thanks,
> Pablo.
>
> =EF=BB=BFOn 06/03/2018, 17:23, "dmm on behalf of Satoru Matsushima" <dmm-=
bounces@ietf.org on behalf of satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hello Tom,
>
>     >> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP ov=
er IPv6 in
>     >> addition to GTP over IPv4.
>     >> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with S=
RH instead
>     >> of SRH insertion by default.
>     >>
>     >
>     > Hi Satoru,
>     >
>     > If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when encapsulat=
ing
>     > would a SR header still be needed or could this just be simple IP i=
n
>     > IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's possible that ILA
>     > might then be used to completely eliminate the encapsulation overhe=
ad.
>
>     I think you=E2=80=99re right. You would find that case in the draft a=
s =E2=80=98Traditional Mode=E2=80=99 which is equivalent with traditional G=
TP-U case. You seem you say ILA is also equivalent with that mode. In addit=
ion, this draft introduces =E2=80=98Enhance Mode=E2=80=99 to cover more adv=
anced cases.
>
>     IMO SR is designed not to maintain path states except at an ingress n=
ode. So the packet need to preserve original DA in the header that keep the=
 egress node in stateless. It would be great if ILA is designed in the simi=
lar concept as well.
>
>     If it=E2=80=99s not, it looks a kind of tradeoff, between reducing th=
e overhead and keeping the statelessness. It=E2=80=99s not apple-to-apple c=
omparison. To decide to choose which one need to be prioritized would depen=
d on each deployment case in operators IMO.
>
>     Cheers,
>     --satoru
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Hi Alex,

Thanks a lot for your review. Comments inline below.

On Fri, 2018-03-09 at 18:29 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> 
> Le 06/03/2018 à 23:17, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the 
> > comments we got in Singapore:
> > 
> > - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm- 
> > deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment
> > received
> > from Sri). - Added some text relating to 
> > draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility (addressing a comment received
> > from 
> > Danny).
> > 
> > Additionally, we added some terminology from 
> > draft-ietf-dmm-deployment- models and other minor changes.
> > 
> > In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like
> > to 
> > request feedback/reviews from the WG.
> 
> Carlos, here are some comments.
> 
> > Current IP mobility solutions, standardized with the names of
> > Mobile
> >  IPv6 [RFC6275], or Proxy Mobile IPv6 [RFC5213], just to cite the
> > two
> >  most relevant examples, offer mobility support at the cost of 
> > handling operations at a cardinal point, the mobility anchor,
> 
> By mobility anchor I think you mean HA or LMA.

[Carlos] Yes. We can make this more clear in the next revision.

> 
> > (i.e., mobility is offered on a per-node basis, not being possible
> > to
> > define finer granularity policies, as for example per-application).
> 
> Just some thought: it's 'per-node(s)' basis vs 'per-application'
> basis,
> because there is also 'per-nodes' vs 'per-node', i.e per-MH vs per-
> MR.

[Carlos] The document assumes node/host mobility (not network
mobility).

> 
> > o  The LMA is relieved from the data forwarding role, only the 
> > Binding Cache and its management operations are maintained.  Hence 
> > the LMA is renamed into Central Mobility Database (CMD), which is 
> > therefore a Home-CPA.  Also, the CMD is able to send and parse
> > both 
> > PBU and PBA messages.
> 
> It's renamed, but it still is a single-point-of-failure?

[Carlos] Not from the point of view of data forwarding. It is still a
centralized point for the control plane, but some mechanisms could be
to distribute the operation of the LMD, so it is not a single-point of
failure.

> 
> > o  The MAG is enriched with the LMA functionalities, hence the
> > name 
> > Mobility Anchor and Access Router (MAAR).  It maintains a local 
> > Binding Cache for the MNs that are attached to it and it is able
> > to 
> > send and parse PBU and PBA messages.
> 
> Have you tried to disconnect CMD and the system still worked, just
> with
> MAARs?

[Carlos] We have not tried, but the system would only work if mobiles
do not move and only during the lifetime of the bindings.

> 
> [...]
> 
> > temporal
> 
>    temporary
> 
> > definitely
> 
>    definitively(?)
> 
> [...]
> 
> Overall, I have the feeling there are still some tunnels (MAAR1 to
> MAAR2), so still the paths are not shortest possible.

[Carlos] Yes, there are tunnels to the anchoring MAAR for the time an
address anchored there is in use.

> 
> > HSS
> 
>    What it means?

[Carlos] Home Subscriber Server. It is a 3GPP entity. We have received
this comment from other reviewers, so we will expand the acronym and
explain it in the next revision. In any case, we use it as an example.
 
> 
> > In order to maintain the prefix anchored at MAAR1 reachable, a
> > tunnel between MAAR1 and MAAR2 is established and the routing is
> > modified accordingly.
> 
> When you say 'routing is modified accordingly' does it mean that
> tunnel-related entries in the routing tables of MAAR1 and MAAR2 are
> updated?  Or does it mean that entries _not_ related to the tunnels
> are
> updated?

[Carlos] Just the routing tables of MAAR1 and MAAR2.

> 
> > 3.6.  The Distributed Logical Interface (DLIF) concept
> 
> I like the idea of the network presenting itself as a same entity to
> the
> MN.  Whether the MN is attached to MAAR1 or to MAAR2, the MN sees the
> same MAC address and IP address of the default router.
> 
> However, I have difficulty to grasp the term 'distributed logical
> interface'.  It sounds as if the same interface name, e.g. 'mn1mar1',
> was present on both MAAR1 and MAAR2.  In reality, only the triplet
> 'MAC
> address', 'link-local address' and the 'global prefix' are same on
> MAAR1
> and MAAR2 interfaces.  These latter are called differently, though:
> 'mn1mar1' and 'mn1mar2'.

[Carlos] The triplet are the same, but we also use the same name of the
interface in the diagrams (in the system, the name of the interface
does not matter, could be called in anyway, the important point is the
triplet you mentioned). 'mn1mar1' refers to the logical interface
(i.e., triplet) exposed by MAAR1 to MN1 for the prefix anchored by
MAAR1 to MN1. 'mn1mar2' refers to the logical interface (i.e., triplet)
exposed by MAAR2 to MN1 for the prefix anchored by MAAR2 to MN1. If the
MN is using addresses from both the prefixes anchored at MAAR1 and
MAAR2, while the MN is attached to MAAR2, 'mn1mar1' and 'mn1mar2'
logical interfaces will be configured at MAAR2.

> 
> Maybe the DLIF could be named 'mn1marx'.  But I dont think you
> ifconfig
> 'mn1marx' whereas I am almost sure you do ifconfig mn1mar1 and
> ifconfig
> mn1mar2.

[Carlos] Please check the previous and let me know if you agree.

> 
> > Each serving MAAR exposes itself towards a given MN as multiple
> > routers, one per active anchoring MAAR associated to the MN.
> 
> 'serving MAAR' vs 'active anchoring MAAR' ok, but sometimes you have 
> just 'anchoring MAAR'.

[Carlos] We can clarify this and use the same term consistently. This
is a good point.

> 
> One wonders whether the 'anchoring MAAR' is an S-MAAR or P-MAAR.

[Carlos] The anchoring MAAR is a P-MAAR for addresses anchored at MAARs
others that the S-MAAR. The S-MAAR is also an anchoring MAAR, as it
provides a prefix locally anchored. In the text, typically we use the
term ¡anchoring MAAR' to refer to a P-MAAR.

> 
> Overall, you have:
> - Serving MAAR
> - Previous MAAR
> - [non-active] anchoring MAAR
> - active anchoring MAAR
> 
> Not sure which is which since the latter two are not defined in
> Terminology.

[Carlos] This is a good point. We will clarify this in the terminology
section of the next revision.

> 
> > This is similar to the LIPA scenario currently being
> >    consider by 3GPP. 
> 
> LIPA... appears just once, I do not know it.

[Carlos] We will explain this term in the next revision.

> 
> > These routes are advertised through the distributed
> >    logical interface representing the MAAR providing access to the
> > local
> >    network (MAAR1 in this example).
> 
> By 'distributed logical interface' do you mean mn1marx or mn1mar1, 
> mn1mar2...?  Do you mean there is an radvd on each of mn1mar1,
> mn1mar2 
> advertising that prefix?  Do you mean you modify the radvd.conf file 
> each time the MN moves, and restart the radvd daemon ?

[Carlos] We mean that there would be an RADVD on each logical
interface. If I recall it properly, we actually implement this by our
code directly generating the RAs, not by using RADVD, but it could be
also done with RADVD.

> 
> Do you mean there is only one radvd that runs on the DLIF called
> 'mn1marx'?

[Carlos] Different RAs are sent though the different logical
interfaces.

> 
> >  Prefix Length
> > 
> >       8-bit unsigned integer indicating the prefix length of the
> > IPv6
> >       prefix contained in the option.
> 
> This 'Prefix Length' variable appears several times in the message 
> formats, yet all the examples of prefixes shown in the draft are of 
> length precisely 64.  I do not understand why.
> 
> In order to illustrate that is true variable, can we have one of the 
> examples that says '63' instead of '64'?
> 
> Otherwise, it may sound little logical to keep that as
> variable.  Just 
> use /64s everywhere and dont transmit Prefix Length in no message.

[Carlos] We include the Prefix Length option as in the HNP option of
RFC 5213 and the MNP option of RFC3963. But we foresee that this value
will be equal to 64 in most cases, as the prefix length in IPv6 is
typically 64-bits. Do you think we should also have examples with other
prefix lengths?

Thanks!

Carlos

> 
> Alex
> 


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Le 12/03/2018 à 00:58, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano a écrit :
[...]
>> However, I have difficulty to grasp the term 'distributed logical 
>> interface'.  It sounds as if the same interface name, e.g.
>> 'mn1mar1', was present on both MAAR1 and MAAR2.  In reality, only
>> the triplet 'MAC address', 'link-local address' and the 'global
>> prefix' are same on MAAR1 and MAAR2 interfaces.  These latter are
>> called differently, though: 'mn1mar1' and 'mn1mar2'.
> 
> [Carlos] The triplet are the same, but we also use the same name of
> the interface in the diagrams (in the system, the name of the
> interface does not matter, could be called in anyway, the important
> point is the triplet you mentioned). 'mn1mar1' refers to the logical
> interface (i.e., triplet) exposed by MAAR1 to MN1 for the prefix
> anchored by MAAR1 to MN1. 'mn1mar2' refers to the logical interface
> (i.e., triplet) exposed by MAAR2 to MN1 for the prefix anchored by
> MAAR2 to MN1. If the MN is using addresses from both the prefixes
> anchored at MAAR1 and MAAR2, while the MN is attached to MAAR2,
> 'mn1mar1' and 'mn1mar2' logical interfaces will be configured at
> MAAR2.
> 
>> 
>> Maybe the DLIF could be named 'mn1marx'.  But I dont think you 
>> ifconfig 'mn1marx' whereas I am almost sure you do ifconfig mn1mar1
>> and ifconfig mn1mar2.
> 
> [Carlos] Please check the previous and let me know if you agree.

Yes, I checked and I agree as long as DLIF is a concept, not one interface.

[...]

>>> Prefix Length
>>> 
>>> 8-bit unsigned integer indicating the prefix length of the IPv6 
>>> prefix contained in the option.
>> 
>> This 'Prefix Length' variable appears several times in the message 
>> formats, yet all the examples of prefixes shown in the draft are
>> of length precisely 64.  I do not understand why.
>> 
>> In order to illustrate that is true variable, can we have one of
>> the examples that says '63' instead of '64'?
>> 
>> Otherwise, it may sound little logical to keep that as variable.
>> Just use /64s everywhere and dont transmit Prefix Length in no
>> message.
> 
> [Carlos] We include the Prefix Length option as in the HNP option of 
> RFC 5213 and the MNP option of RFC3963. But we foresee that this
> value will be equal to 64 in most cases, as the prefix length in IPv6
> is typically 64-bits. Do you think we should also have examples with
> other prefix lengths?

I think other-than-64 prefix lengths should be feasible.

For RFC3963: the prefix length is variable in order to accommodate 
mobile routers.

For RFC5213: why is there a variable prefix  length if this value is 
foreseen to be equal to 64 in most cases?  What is the particular case 
where that prefix length is not 64?

Alex


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Hi Alex,

On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 11:06 +0100, Alexandre Petrescu wrote:
> 
> Le 12/03/2018 à 00:58, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano a écrit :
> [...]
> > > However, I have difficulty to grasp the term 'distributed
> > > logical 
> > > interface'.  It sounds as if the same interface name, e.g.
> > > 'mn1mar1', was present on both MAAR1 and MAAR2.  In reality, only
> > > the triplet 'MAC address', 'link-local address' and the 'global
> > > prefix' are same on MAAR1 and MAAR2 interfaces.  These latter are
> > > called differently, though: 'mn1mar1' and 'mn1mar2'.
> > 
> > [Carlos] The triplet are the same, but we also use the same name of
> > the interface in the diagrams (in the system, the name of the
> > interface does not matter, could be called in anyway, the important
> > point is the triplet you mentioned). 'mn1mar1' refers to the
> > logical
> > interface (i.e., triplet) exposed by MAAR1 to MN1 for the prefix
> > anchored by MAAR1 to MN1. 'mn1mar2' refers to the logical interface
> > (i.e., triplet) exposed by MAAR2 to MN1 for the prefix anchored by
> > MAAR2 to MN1. If the MN is using addresses from both the prefixes
> > anchored at MAAR1 and MAAR2, while the MN is attached to MAAR2,
> > 'mn1mar1' and 'mn1mar2' logical interfaces will be configured at
> > MAAR2.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Maybe the DLIF could be named 'mn1marx'.  But I dont think you 
> > > ifconfig 'mn1marx' whereas I am almost sure you do ifconfig
> > > mn1mar1
> > > and ifconfig mn1mar2.
> > 
> > [Carlos] Please check the previous and let me know if you agree.
> 
> Yes, I checked and I agree as long as DLIF is a concept, not one
> interface.

[Carlos] OK.

> 
> [...]
> 
> > > > Prefix Length
> > > > 
> > > > 8-bit unsigned integer indicating the prefix length of the
> > > > IPv6 
> > > > prefix contained in the option.
> > > 
> > > This 'Prefix Length' variable appears several times in the
> > > message 
> > > formats, yet all the examples of prefixes shown in the draft are
> > > of length precisely 64.  I do not understand why.
> > > 
> > > In order to illustrate that is true variable, can we have one of
> > > the examples that says '63' instead of '64'?
> > > 
> > > Otherwise, it may sound little logical to keep that as variable.
> > > Just use /64s everywhere and dont transmit Prefix Length in no
> > > message.
> > 
> > [Carlos] We include the Prefix Length option as in the HNP option
> > of 
> > RFC 5213 and the MNP option of RFC3963. But we foresee that this
> > value will be equal to 64 in most cases, as the prefix length in
> > IPv6
> > is typically 64-bits. Do you think we should also have examples
> > with
> > other prefix lengths?
> 
> I think other-than-64 prefix lengths should be feasible.
> 
> For RFC3963: the prefix length is variable in order to accommodate 
> mobile routers.
> 
> For RFC5213: why is there a variable prefix  length if this value is 
> foreseen to be equal to 64 in most cases?  What is the particular
> case 
> where that prefix length is not 64?

[Carlos] I think it was put there to be flexible and allow for other
cases in the future. We can document in our draft that other prefix
lengths are possible.

Thanks,

Carlos

> 
> Alex


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Hi Carlos,


Thanks for the updates.  I think the document is in good shape and should b=
e adopted. =20

I did have some small suggestions though for the next revision:

1) Abstract - Suggest to remove the last paragraph on "distributed logical =
interface" as it appears to be a detail and is not very clear anyways at th=
is point in the document what it implies.  If you want to keep the paragrap=
h it should be further clarified as it is not clear what "a software constr=
uct" implies?

2) Figures 2, 3, & 4  - Suggest to replace use of the "?" in the ASCII figu=
re construction with another symbol (such as used in Figure 1).

3) Section 3.6 - Need to better clarify in the 1st paragraph text in which =
node the "software construct" of the DLIF is located.  And also, not clear =
currently why a node internal software construct needs to be discussed in a=
 protocol document.  So probably just my lack of understanding but points t=
o the section requiring further clarity.


Best Regards,

Akbar


-----Original Message-----
From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:21 AM
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Thanks Carlos.

Folks - Please review the document and post your feedback.

https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt



At IETF100, we polled the WG feedback for adopting this document and there =
was consensus for adopting this document. However, we chose not to adopt th=
e document as there were no recent discussions in the mailer on this docume=
nt. We therefore request the WG for feedback in the mailer. We plan to issu=
e an adoption call post IETF101, but we need some feedback and substantial =
comments.


Dapeng & Sri




On 3/6/18, 2:17 PM, "dmm on behalf of Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:

>Hi,
>
>We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the=20
>comments we got in Singapore:
>
>- Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-=20
>deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment received=20
>from Sri).
>- Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility=20
>(addressing a comment received from Danny).
>
>Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-=20
>models and other minor changes.
>
>In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to=20
>request feedback/reviews from the WG.
>
>Thanks!
>
>Carlos


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Hi Akbar,

Thanks for the review. Comments inline below.

On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 16:41 +0000, Rahman, Akbar wrote:
> Hi Carlos,
> 
> 
> Thanks for the updates.  I think the document is in good shape and
> should be adopted.
> 
> I did have some small suggestions though for the next revision:
> 
> 1) Abstract - Suggest to remove the last paragraph on "distributed
> logical interface" as it appears to be a detail and is not very clear
> anyways at this point in the document what it implies.  If you want
> to keep the paragraph it should be further clarified as it is not
> clear what "a software construct" implies?

[Carlos] OK, well clarify this further.

> 
> 2) Figures 2, 3, & 4  - Suggest to replace use of the "?" in the
> ASCII figure construction with another symbol (such as used in Figure
> 1).

[Carlos] This will be fixed in -02.

> 
> 3) Section 3.6 - Need to better clarify in the 1st paragraph text in
> which node the "software construct" of the DLIF is located.  And
> also, not clear currently why a node internal software construct
> needs to be discussed in a protocol document.  So probably just my
> lack of understanding but points to the section requiring further
> clarity.

[Carlos] Will clarify in -02.

Thanks!

Carlos

> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Akbar
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:21 AM
> To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-
> 01.txt]
> 
> Thanks Carlos.
> 
> Folks - Please review the document and post your feedback.
> 
> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
> 
> 
> 
> At IETF100, we polled the WG feedback for adopting this document and
> there was consensus for adopting this document. However, we chose not
> to adopt the document as there were no recent discussions in the
> mailer on this document. We therefore request the WG for feedback in
> the mailer. We plan to issue an adoption call post IETF101, but we
> need some feedback and substantial comments.
> 
> 
> Dapeng & Sri
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/6/18, 2:17 PM, "dmm on behalf of Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano"
> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
> > comments we got in Singapore:
> > 
> > - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
> > deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment
> > received
> > from Sri).
> > - Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
> > (addressing a comment received from Danny).
> > 
> > Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-
> > deployment-
> > models and other minor changes.
> > 
> > In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
> > request feedback/reviews from the WG.
> > 
> > Thanks!
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> > Carlos
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John,

> 2018/03/13 7:37=E3=80=81John Kaippallimalil =
<John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
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> A few questions for clarification:
> 1. Section 5.1.1, "..Since there is only one SID, there is no need to =
push an SRH..."
> In this case the outer IPv6 address representing a SID would contain a =
TEID.
> So for 1000 PDU sessions - would there be as many IPv6 addresses =
(representing SIDs/TEID in the outer header)

Right. It is not limited but in a typical case given that a /64 per node =
for the SID space which allows each node allocate a SID per session =
basis.


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> 2.  Section 5.2 (& Figure 3), suppose there were more than 1 UPF on =
path (gNB --> UPF1 --> UPF2 as in the example in 5.1 but now with other =
fns - S1, C1)
> Would the SR path at gNB (uplink) be (a) the list of SIDs to chain =
functions along the path to UPF1,
>       or, would it be (b) the list of SIDs to chain functions, plus =
UPF1, .. upto the anchor UPF2.=20

Please see the section 5.2.1 of packet flow on uplink.
We assume that there=E2=80=99s no UPF1 along the path in the diagram.


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> 3.  Section 5.2, "The SR policy MAY include SIDs for traffic =
engineering and service chaining ..."
> 3GPP service chaining is at N6 interface, but in this case, is the =
policy for traffic steering implemented at the N3  interface.
> Would PCF/SMF provision this at gNB.

When it comes to enhanced mode for control-plane side, it may literally =
be enhanced.
But at this revision of the draft, it is assumed that gNB is capable to =
resolve SR policy from remote endpoint address of tunnel to SIDs list =
while N2 is unchanged and kept as it is.

Cheers,
--satoru


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> Thanks,
> John
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>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Satoru Matsushima [mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com]
> Sent: Mittwoch, 7. M=C3=A4rz 2018 12:23
> To: Marco Liebsch
> Cc: dmm
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action: =
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>=20
> Marco,
>=20
>> 2018/03/07 18:41=E3=80=81Marco Liebsch =
<Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>=20
>> Satoru,
>>=20
>> since I read this at different places, let me ask one clarifying =
question about the stateless motivation:=20
>>=20
>> I see that for SRv6 you may not need a state at the egress (at least=20=

>> not for traffic forwarding) but for Uplink/Downlink (UL/DL) you need =
a=20
>> state at both edges of the communication since the DL egress serves =
as uplink ingress, correct?
>=20
> 2x unidirectional tunnels to form bidirectional paths require 4 states =
in total at both the ingress and egress.
> In SR case it requires just 2 states at the ingresses for both =
directions.
>=20
> Cheers,
> --satoru
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>>=20
>> marco
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru =
Matsushima
>> Sent: Dienstag, 6. M=C3=A4rz 2018 17:23
>> To: Tom Herbert
>> Cc: dmm
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action:=20
>> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>=20
>> Hello Tom,
>>=20
>>>> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP =
over
>>>> IPv6 in addition to GTP over IPv4.
>>>> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with =
SRH=20
>>>> instead of SRH insertion by default.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Hi Satoru,
>>>=20
>>> If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when=20
>>> encapsulating would a SR header still be needed or could this just =
be=20
>>> simple IP in IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's =
possible=20
>>> that ILA might then be used to completely eliminate the =
encapsulation overhead.
>>=20
>> I think you=E2=80=99re right. You would find that case in the draft =
as =E2=80=98Traditional Mode=E2=80=99 which is equivalent with =
traditional GTP-U case. You seem you say ILA is also equivalent with =
that mode. In addition, this draft introduces =E2=80=98Enhance Mode=E2=80=99=
 to cover more advanced cases.
>>=20
>> IMO SR is designed not to maintain path states except at an ingress =
node. So the packet need to preserve original DA in the header that keep =
the egress node in stateless. It would be great if ILA is designed in =
the similar concept as well.
>>=20
>> If it=E2=80=99s not, it looks a kind of tradeoff, between reducing =
the overhead and keeping the statelessness. It=E2=80=99s not =
apple-to-apple comparison. To decide to choose which one need to be =
prioritized would depend on each deployment case in operators IMO.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> --satoru
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Dear Sridhar,

It=E2=80=99s nice to see you in DMM list as well. :-)

> [...snip...]


> 1. Section 5.2.2 of the draft says,
>=20
> UPF2_in : (Z,A)                              -> UPF2 maps the flow w/
>                                            SID list <C1,S1, gNB>=20
>=20
> When the packet arrives to the UPF2, the UPF2 will map that
>   particular flow into a UE session.
>=20
> Does this mean the UPF2 is aware of the gNB the UE is latched on and =
hence after each mobility, the information regarding current gNB is =
signaled / programmed till the UPF2 (which could be the PDU session =
anchor UPF)?

Right. It=E2=80=99s equivalent with GTP-U case where there=E2=80=99s no =
N9 along the path.
One significant difference between GTP-U and enhanced mode is that the =
packets of PDU sessions which belong to a same SR policy will use same =
set of SIDs in the header.


>=20
> 2. For traditional mode (basic mode), could you please elaborate on =
the MTU overhead being less than GTPU? GTPU encap MTU overhead =3D 20 =
octets outer IPv4 header + 8 octets UDP header + 12 octets GTPU header + =
Extension header for QFI. SRv6 encap MTU overhead =3D 40 octets IPv6 =
header + EH for carrying QFI (this part is not clear - see my next =
question). In your blog =
https://blog.apnic.net/2018/03/07/reducing-complexity-5g-networks-using-se=
gment-routing-ipv6/ I noticed in Fig.1 the MPLS / TE headers included in =
calculation. So does the MTU overhead saving talked about for SRv6 =
assume that underlay TE technologies are replaced? It is not clear from =
the draft. If there are any other drafts that provide a clear =
calculation on the MTU savings, could you please point to them?

I hope that the following spreadsheet helps for that purpose. I=E2=80=99ve=
 updated it align to the latest draft after I shared it in last month.=20=


=
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fx8ilE_bQPkhFBoSd-qRS5ok2IO1i0VZbm=
wzZJNVh0g/edit?usp=3Dsharing

As the draft says that traditional mode is as same as existing user =
plane protocol, it is also equivalent in terms of overhead size.
You can find that both GTP-U and traditional mode of SRv6 cost 58 bytes =
as the overhead.


>=20
> 3. How to encode QFI, RQI in SRv6 (both traditional mode and enhanced =
mode)? In GTPU the QFI/RQI markings are carried in a GTPU extension =
header, defined as a container. Please refer the following documents for =
details

Thank you for those latest references! Actually I was seeking them from =
last CT4 meeting folder. ;-)

And yes, we still leave it at this time since defining 3GPP specific =
extension headers and messages should be up to 3GPP decision.=20
We don=E2=80=99t want to violate that responsibility. Nevertheless, in =
case that those GTP-U extension header and messages are carried as its =
encoding, TLV in SRH would work to do that with just one or few code =
points to 3GPP which looks not big deal. If you are interested, it would =
be nice if we can write a draft with that idea with you and John.

Cheers,
--satoru

>=20
> Incoming LS from RAN3 to CT4: =
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/=
Docs/C4-182214.zip
>=20
> Corresponding agreed CR in CT4: =
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/=
Docs/C4-182246.zip
>=20
> LS out from CT4 to RAN3: =
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/=
Docs/C4-182247.zip
>=20
> Thanks
> Sridhar
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru Matsushima
> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:55 AM
> To: John Kaippallimalil <John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com>
> Cc: dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action: =
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>=20
> John,
>=20
>> 2018/03/13 7:37=E3=80=81John Kaippallimalil =
<John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>=20
>> A few questions for clarification:
>> 1. Section 5.1.1, "..Since there is only one SID, there is no need to =
push an SRH..."
>> In this case the outer IPv6 address representing a SID would contain =
a TEID.
>> So for 1000 PDU sessions - would there be as many IPv6 addresses=20
>> (representing SIDs/TEID in the outer header)
>=20
> Right. It is not limited but in a typical case given that a /64 per =
node for the SID space which allows each node allocate a SID per session =
basis.
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> 2.  Section 5.2 (& Figure 3), suppose there were more than 1 UPF on=20=

>> path (gNB --> UPF1 --> UPF2 as in the example in 5.1 but now with =
other fns - S1, C1) Would the SR path at gNB (uplink) be (a) the list of =
SIDs to chain functions along the path to UPF1,
>>      or, would it be (b) the list of SIDs to chain functions, plus =
UPF1, .. upto the anchor UPF2.=20
>=20
> Please see the section 5.2.1 of packet flow on uplink.
> We assume that there=E2=80=99s no UPF1 along the path in the diagram.
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> 3.  Section 5.2, "The SR policy MAY include SIDs for traffic =
engineering and service chaining ..."
>> 3GPP service chaining is at N6 interface, but in this case, is the =
policy for traffic steering implemented at the N3  interface.
>> Would PCF/SMF provision this at gNB.
>=20
> When it comes to enhanced mode for control-plane side, it may =
literally be enhanced.
> But at this revision of the draft, it is assumed that gNB is capable =
to resolve SR policy from remote endpoint address of tunnel to SIDs list =
while N2 is unchanged and kept as it is.
>=20
> Cheers,
> --satoru
>=20
>=20
>>=20
>> Thanks,
>> John
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Satoru Matsushima [mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Mittwoch, 7. M=C3=A4rz 2018 12:23
>> To: Marco Liebsch
>> Cc: dmm
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action:=20
>> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>=20
>> Marco,
>>=20
>>> 2018/03/07 18:41=E3=80=81Marco Liebsch =
<Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>=20
>>> Satoru,
>>>=20
>>> since I read this at different places, let me ask one clarifying =
question about the stateless motivation:=20
>>>=20
>>> I see that for SRv6 you may not need a state at the egress (at least=20=

>>> not for traffic forwarding) but for Uplink/Downlink (UL/DL) you need=20=

>>> a state at both edges of the communication since the DL egress =
serves as uplink ingress, correct?
>>=20
>> 2x unidirectional tunnels to form bidirectional paths require 4 =
states in total at both the ingress and egress.
>> In SR case it requires just 2 states at the ingresses for both =
directions.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> --satoru
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> marco
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru=20
>>> Matsushima
>>> Sent: Dienstag, 6. M=C3=A4rz 2018 17:23
>>> To: Tom Herbert
>>> Cc: dmm
>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action:=20
>>> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>>=20
>>> Hello Tom,
>>>=20
>>>>> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP=20
>>>>> over
>>>>> IPv6 in addition to GTP over IPv4.
>>>>> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with=20=

>>>>> SRH instead of SRH insertion by default.
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Hi Satoru,
>>>>=20
>>>> If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when=20
>>>> encapsulating would a SR header still be needed or could this just=20=

>>>> be simple IP in IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's=20
>>>> possible that ILA might then be used to completely eliminate the =
encapsulation overhead.
>>>=20
>>> I think you=E2=80=99re right. You would find that case in the draft =
as =E2=80=98Traditional Mode=E2=80=99 which is equivalent with =
traditional GTP-U case. You seem you say ILA is also equivalent with =
that mode. In addition, this draft introduces =E2=80=98Enhance Mode=E2=80=99=
 to cover more advanced cases.
>>>=20
>>> IMO SR is designed not to maintain path states except at an ingress =
node. So the packet need to preserve original DA in the header that keep =
the egress node in stateless. It would be great if ILA is designed in =
the similar concept as well.
>>>=20
>>> If it=E2=80=99s not, it looks a kind of tradeoff, between reducing =
the overhead and keeping the statelessness. It=E2=80=99s not =
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On Mon, Mar 12, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Satoru Matsushima
<satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sridhar,
>
> It=E2=80=99s nice to see you in DMM list as well. :-)
>
>> [...snip...]
>
>
>> 1. Section 5.2.2 of the draft says,
>>
>> UPF2_in : (Z,A)                              -> UPF2 maps the flow w/
>>                                            SID list <C1,S1, gNB>
>>
>> When the packet arrives to the UPF2, the UPF2 will map that
>>   particular flow into a UE session.
>>
>> Does this mean the UPF2 is aware of the gNB the UE is latched on and hen=
ce after each mobility, the information regarding current gNB is signaled /=
 programmed till the UPF2 (which could be the PDU session anchor UPF)?
>
> Right. It=E2=80=99s equivalent with GTP-U case where there=E2=80=99s no N=
9 along the path.
> One significant difference between GTP-U and enhanced mode is that the pa=
ckets of PDU sessions which belong to a same SR policy will use same set of=
 SIDs in the header.
>
>
>>
>> 2. For traditional mode (basic mode), could you please elaborate on the =
MTU overhead being less than GTPU? GTPU encap MTU overhead =3D 20 octets ou=
ter IPv4 header + 8 octets UDP header + 12 octets GTPU header + Extension h=
eader for QFI. SRv6 encap MTU overhead =3D 40 octets IPv6 header + EH for c=
arrying QFI (this part is not clear - see my next question). In your blog h=
ttps://blog.apnic.net/2018/03/07/reducing-complexity-5g-networks-using-segm=
ent-routing-ipv6/ I noticed in Fig.1 the MPLS / TE headers included in calc=
ulation. So does the MTU overhead saving talked about for SRv6 assume that =
underlay TE technologies are replaced? It is not clear from the draft. If t=
here are any other drafts that provide a clear calculation on the MTU savin=
gs, could you please point to them?
>
> I hope that the following spreadsheet helps for that purpose. I=E2=80=99v=
e updated it align to the latest draft after I shared it in last month.
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Fx8ilE_bQPkhFBoSd-qRS5ok2IO1i0VZb=
mwzZJNVh0g/edit?usp=3Dsharing
>
> As the draft says that traditional mode is as same as existing user plane=
 protocol, it is also equivalent in terms of overhead size.
> You can find that both GTP-U and traditional mode of SRv6 cost 58 bytes a=
s the overhead.
>
Satoru,

This spreadsheet is really confusing and way too much information. For
instance, there's a 135 variants of GTP-U! I sincerely doubt all of
those variants are equally relevant and used. Similarly, I don't
understand why there's 67 variants of ILA that would be needed. IMO,
this is making those protocols look much more complicated than they
actually are.

It would be nice to have a good summary and fair comparison of the
overheads of these various protocols. Here are some suggestions to
clean this up:

- Pick a handful of representative formats, maybe something like five,
and do an an equivalent comparison. For instance, it should be easy to
deduce the equivalent packet formats for traditional mode in SR that
are needed for GTP and ILA.
- Don't count the outer Ethernet header as overhead. It's always there
and not counted against MTU.
- Don't use colors to highlight differences. The use of 'red' in the
spreadsheet is subjective and also confusing in itself. For instance,
I don't understand why 'No SRH' (line 1) is black but basic GTP over
IPv4 (line 5) is red when they are both reported to have 58 bytes of
overhead.
- Is the math is off? For instance, in line 1 the overhead is an IPv6
header and and Ethernet header, shouldn't that be 40+14=3D54 instead of
58?

Tom





>
>>
>> 3. How to encode QFI, RQI in SRv6 (both traditional mode and enhanced mo=
de)? In GTPU the QFI/RQI markings are carried in a GTPU extension header, d=
efined as a container. Please refer the following documents for details
>
> Thank you for those latest references! Actually I was seeking them from l=
ast CT4 meeting folder. ;-)
>
> And yes, we still leave it at this time since defining 3GPP specific exte=
nsion headers and messages should be up to 3GPP decision.
> We don=E2=80=99t want to violate that responsibility. Nevertheless, in ca=
se that those GTP-U extension header and messages are carried as its encodi=
ng, TLV in SRH would work to do that with just one or few code points to 3G=
PP which looks not big deal. If you are interested, it would be nice if we =
can write a draft with that idea with you and John.
>
> Cheers,
> --satoru
>
>>
>> Incoming LS from RAN3 to CT4: http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protoco=
llars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/Docs/C4-182214.zip
>>
>> Corresponding agreed CR in CT4: http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_proto=
collars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/Docs/C4-182246.zip
>>
>> LS out from CT4 to RAN3: http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars=
_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/Docs/C4-182247.zip
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sridhar
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru Matsushima
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:55 AM
>> To: John Kaippallimalil <John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com>
>> Cc: dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01=
.txt
>>
>> John,
>>
>>> 2018/03/13 7:37=E3=80=81John Kaippallimalil <John.Kaippallimalil@huawei=
.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>
>>> A few questions for clarification:
>>> 1. Section 5.1.1, "..Since there is only one SID, there is no need to p=
ush an SRH..."
>>> In this case the outer IPv6 address representing a SID would contain a =
TEID.
>>> So for 1000 PDU sessions - would there be as many IPv6 addresses
>>> (representing SIDs/TEID in the outer header)
>>
>> Right. It is not limited but in a typical case given that a /64 per node=
 for the SID space which allows each node allocate a SID per session basis.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2.  Section 5.2 (& Figure 3), suppose there were more than 1 UPF on
>>> path (gNB --> UPF1 --> UPF2 as in the example in 5.1 but now with other=
 fns - S1, C1) Would the SR path at gNB (uplink) be (a) the list of SIDs to=
 chain functions along the path to UPF1,
>>>      or, would it be (b) the list of SIDs to chain functions, plus UPF1=
, .. upto the anchor UPF2.
>>
>> Please see the section 5.2.1 of packet flow on uplink.
>> We assume that there=E2=80=99s no UPF1 along the path in the diagram.
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 3.  Section 5.2, "The SR policy MAY include SIDs for traffic engineerin=
g and service chaining ..."
>>> 3GPP service chaining is at N6 interface, but in this case, is the poli=
cy for traffic steering implemented at the N3  interface.
>>> Would PCF/SMF provision this at gNB.
>>
>> When it comes to enhanced mode for control-plane side, it may literally =
be enhanced.
>> But at this revision of the draft, it is assumed that gNB is capable to =
resolve SR policy from remote endpoint address of tunnel to SIDs list while=
 N2 is unchanged and kept as it is.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --satoru
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Satoru Matsushima [mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com]
>>> Sent: Mittwoch, 7. M=C3=A4rz 2018 12:23
>>> To: Marco Liebsch
>>> Cc: dmm
>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action:
>>> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>>
>>> Marco,
>>>
>>>> 2018/03/07 18:41=E3=80=81Marco Liebsch <Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu>=E3=81=
=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>
>>>> Satoru,
>>>>
>>>> since I read this at different places, let me ask one clarifying quest=
ion about the stateless motivation:
>>>>
>>>> I see that for SRv6 you may not need a state at the egress (at least
>>>> not for traffic forwarding) but for Uplink/Downlink (UL/DL) you need
>>>> a state at both edges of the communication since the DL egress serves =
as uplink ingress, correct?
>>>
>>> 2x unidirectional tunnels to form bidirectional paths require 4 states =
in total at both the ingress and egress.
>>> In SR case it requires just 2 states at the ingresses for both directio=
ns.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> --satoru
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> marco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru
>>>> Matsushima
>>>> Sent: Dienstag, 6. M=C3=A4rz 2018 17:23
>>>> To: Tom Herbert
>>>> Cc: dmm
>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action:
>>>> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>>>
>>>> Hello Tom,
>>>>
>>>>>> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP
>>>>>> over
>>>>>> IPv6 in addition to GTP over IPv4.
>>>>>> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with
>>>>>> SRH instead of SRH insertion by default.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Satoru,
>>>>>
>>>>> If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when
>>>>> encapsulating would a SR header still be needed or could this just
>>>>> be simple IP in IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's
>>>>> possible that ILA might then be used to completely eliminate the enca=
psulation overhead.
>>>>
>>>> I think you=E2=80=99re right. You would find that case in the draft as=
 =E2=80=98Traditional Mode=E2=80=99 which is equivalent with traditional GT=
P-U case. You seem you say ILA is also equivalent with that mode. In additi=
on, this draft introduces =E2=80=98Enhance Mode=E2=80=99 to cover more adva=
nced cases.
>>>>
>>>> IMO SR is designed not to maintain path states except at an ingress no=
de. So the packet need to preserve original DA in the header that keep the =
egress node in stateless. It would be great if ILA is designed in the simil=
ar concept as well.
>>>>
>>>> If it=E2=80=99s not, it looks a kind of tradeoff, between reducing the=
 overhead and keeping the statelessness. It=E2=80=99s not apple-to-apple co=
mparison. To decide to choose which one need to be prioritized would depend=
 on each deployment case in operators IMO.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> --satoru
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Hello Tom,

Thank you for your feedback.

> ...snip...

> - Pick a handful of representative formats, maybe something like five,
> and do an an equivalent comparison. For instance, it should be easy to
> deduce the equivalent packet formats for traditional mode in SR that
> are needed for GTP and ILA.

I want to do. But I=E2=80=99d keep them until it is clear those are =
truly not deployed in rest of world.
When it=E2=80=99s clear I remove them.


> - Don't count the outer Ethernet header as overhead. It's always there
> and not counted against MTU.

When it comes to overhead, it affects not only for MTU size, but also =
consumed bandwidth.
In that perspective, I=E2=80=99d keep Ethernet header in it. Or, do you =
want to resume the discussion of =E2=80=98killing ethernet=E2=80=99 =
thread in ietf at ietf list?


> - Don't use colors to highlight differences. The use of 'red' in the
> spreadsheet is subjective and also confusing in itself. For instance,
> I don't understand why 'No SRH' (line 1) is black but basic GTP over
> IPv4 (line 5) is red when they are both reported to have 58 bytes of
> overhead.

This is comparison of overhead size against SRv6 Mobile User Plane so =
that SRv6 is base and no need to be colored.
I can change red to other color.


> - Is the math is off? For instance, in line 1 the overhead is an IPv6
> header and and Ethernet header, shouldn't that be 40+14=3D54 instead =
of
> 58?

FCS counted.

Cheers,
--satoru


>=20
> Tom
>=20
>=20
>=20
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>=20
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> 3. How to encode QFI, RQI in SRv6 (both traditional mode and =
enhanced mode)? In GTPU the QFI/RQI markings are carried in a GTPU =
extension header, defined as a container. Please refer the following =
documents for details
>>=20
>> Thank you for those latest references! Actually I was seeking them =
from last CT4 meeting folder. ;-)
>>=20
>> And yes, we still leave it at this time since defining 3GPP specific =
extension headers and messages should be up to 3GPP decision.
>> We don=E2=80=99t want to violate that responsibility. Nevertheless, =
in case that those GTP-U extension header and messages are carried as =
its encoding, TLV in SRH would work to do that with just one or few code =
points to 3GPP which looks not big deal. If you are interested, it would =
be nice if we can write a draft with that idea with you and John.
>>=20
>> Cheers,
>> --satoru
>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Incoming LS from RAN3 to CT4: =
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/=
Docs/C4-182214.zip
>>>=20
>>> Corresponding agreed CR in CT4: =
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/=
Docs/C4-182246.zip
>>>=20
>>> LS out from CT4 to RAN3: =
http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/tsg_ct/WG4_protocollars_ex-CN4/TSGCT4_83_Montreal/=
Docs/C4-182247.zip
>>>=20
>>> Thanks
>>> Sridhar
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru =
Matsushima
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2018 6:55 AM
>>> To: John Kaippallimalil <John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com>
>>> Cc: dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action: =
draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>>=20
>>> John,
>>>=20
>>>> 2018/03/13 7:37=E3=80=81John Kaippallimalil =
<John.Kaippallimalil@huawei.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>=20
>>>> A few questions for clarification:
>>>> 1. Section 5.1.1, "..Since there is only one SID, there is no need =
to push an SRH..."
>>>> In this case the outer IPv6 address representing a SID would =
contain a TEID.
>>>> So for 1000 PDU sessions - would there be as many IPv6 addresses
>>>> (representing SIDs/TEID in the outer header)
>>>=20
>>> Right. It is not limited but in a typical case given that a /64 per =
node for the SID space which allows each node allocate a SID per session =
basis.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 2.  Section 5.2 (& Figure 3), suppose there were more than 1 UPF on
>>>> path (gNB --> UPF1 --> UPF2 as in the example in 5.1 but now with =
other fns - S1, C1) Would the SR path at gNB (uplink) be (a) the list of =
SIDs to chain functions along the path to UPF1,
>>>>     or, would it be (b) the list of SIDs to chain functions, plus =
UPF1, .. upto the anchor UPF2.
>>>=20
>>> Please see the section 5.2.1 of packet flow on uplink.
>>> We assume that there=E2=80=99s no UPF1 along the path in the =
diagram.
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> 3.  Section 5.2, "The SR policy MAY include SIDs for traffic =
engineering and service chaining ..."
>>>> 3GPP service chaining is at N6 interface, but in this case, is the =
policy for traffic steering implemented at the N3  interface.
>>>> Would PCF/SMF provision this at gNB.
>>>=20
>>> When it comes to enhanced mode for control-plane side, it may =
literally be enhanced.
>>> But at this revision of the draft, it is assumed that gNB is capable =
to resolve SR policy from remote endpoint address of tunnel to SIDs list =
while N2 is unchanged and kept as it is.
>>>=20
>>> Cheers,
>>> --satoru
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> John
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Satoru Matsushima [mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Mittwoch, 7. M=C3=A4rz 2018 12:23
>>>> To: Marco Liebsch
>>>> Cc: dmm
>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action:
>>>> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>>>=20
>>>> Marco,
>>>>=20
>>>>> 2018/03/07 18:41=E3=80=81Marco Liebsch =
<Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Satoru,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> since I read this at different places, let me ask one clarifying =
question about the stateless motivation:
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I see that for SRv6 you may not need a state at the egress (at =
least
>>>>> not for traffic forwarding) but for Uplink/Downlink (UL/DL) you =
need
>>>>> a state at both edges of the communication since the DL egress =
serves as uplink ingress, correct?
>>>>=20
>>>> 2x unidirectional tunnels to form bidirectional paths require 4 =
states in total at both the ingress and egress.
>>>> In SR case it requires just 2 states at the ingresses for both =
directions.
>>>>=20
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> --satoru
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> marco
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Satoru
>>>>> Matsushima
>>>>> Sent: Dienstag, 6. M=C3=A4rz 2018 17:23
>>>>> To: Tom Herbert
>>>>> Cc: dmm
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] Fwd: I-D Action:
>>>>> draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-01.txt
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hello Tom,
>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> A Big progress is that the draft supports interworking with GTP
>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>> IPv6 in addition to GTP over IPv4.
>>>>>>> And we have made change SRv6 function to IPv6 encapsulation with
>>>>>>> SRH instead of SRH insertion by default.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Hi Satoru,
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> If there are no intermediate hops od SIDs being set when
>>>>>> encapsulating would a SR header still be needed or could this =
just
>>>>>> be simple IP in IP encpasulation?  If is no SR header then it's
>>>>>> possible that ILA might then be used to completely eliminate the =
encapsulation overhead.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> I think you=E2=80=99re right. You would find that case in the =
draft as =E2=80=98Traditional Mode=E2=80=99 which is equivalent with =
traditional GTP-U case. You seem you say ILA is also equivalent with =
that mode. In addition, this draft introduces =E2=80=98Enhance Mode=E2=80=99=
 to cover more advanced cases.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> IMO SR is designed not to maintain path states except at an =
ingress node. So the packet need to preserve original DA in the header =
that keep the egress node in stateless. It would be great if ILA is =
designed in the similar concept as well.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> If it=E2=80=99s not, it looks a kind of tradeoff, between reducing =
the overhead and keeping the statelessness. It=E2=80=99s not =
apple-to-apple comparison. To decide to choose which one need to be =
prioritized would depend on each deployment case in operators IMO.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> --satoru
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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> 2. For traditional mode (basic mode), could you please elaborate on =
the MTU overhead being less than GTPU? GTPU encap MTU overhead =3D 20 =
octets outer IPv4 header + 8 octets UDP header + 12 octets GTPU header + =
Extension header for QFI. SRv6 encap MTU overhead =3D 40 octets IPv6 =
header + EH for carrying QFI (this part is not clear - see my next =
question). In your blog =
https://blog.apnic.net/2018/03/07/reducing-complexity-5g-networks-using-se=
gment-routing-ipv6/ I noticed in Fig.1 the MPLS / TE headers included in =
calculation. So does the MTU overhead saving talked about for SRv6 =
assume that underlay TE technologies are replaced? It is not clear from =
the draft. If there are any other drafts that provide a clear =
calculation on the MTU savings, could you please point to them?

And to add LISP for comparison:

LISP encap =3D 20 octets outer IPv4 header + 8 octets UDP header + 8 =
octets LISP header.

Dino


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All:

The authors of the different protocol alternatives presented how the 5G arc=
hitecture would be with their protocol.
Comments on the call and via email:

-          Some description of the 5G architecture(s) in the document would=
 help cross-SDO understanding

-          Explanation of non-roaming/roaming/mobility terminologies used i=
n 3GPP

-          Some general comments that need to be addressed for all protocol=
s:

o   Explanation of anchor-less mobility

o   Explanation of interaction between control plane protocols (e.g. N4 and=
 LISP-CP/ILA-CP, etc)

o   Explanation of how SMF interworks with Mapping system (where ID-LOC is =
used)

o   Explanation of how roaming, LI, charging, security, scalability, overlo=
ad considerations, etc. work

-          Specific to LISP-CP with ILA-DP: benefit of LISP-CP with ILA-DP =
compared to ILA-CP

The above and others from next week's meeting will be addressed in the next=
 revision.

Kalyani and other authors

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All:

The document has provided an overview of the 3GPP 5G architecture with focu=
s on N9 interface.
Several IETF protocol candidates have been included in this white paper. Th=
e authors would
like to get comments/discussion on the document so that the evaluation of t=
he proposals can be
done.

A conference call will be held on Wednesday 14th March from 10:00 AM - 11:3=
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Title:          Optimized Mobile User Plane Solutions for 5G
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Abstract:
   3GPP CT4 has approved a study item to study different mobility
   management protocols for potential replacement of GTP tunnels between
   UPFs (N9 Interface) in the 3GPP 5G system architecture.

   This document provides an overview of 5G system architecture in the
   context of N9 Interface which is the scope of the 3GPP CT4 study item
   [23501, 23502, 23503, 23203, 29244, 29281, 38300, 38401]. The
   requirements for the network functions and the relevant interfaces
   are provided.

   Reference scenarios and criteria for evaluation of various IETF
   protocols are provided.

   Several IETF protocols are considered for comparison: SRv6, LISP, ILA
   and several combinations of control plane and user plane protocols.




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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The authors of the different protocol=
 alternatives presented how the 5G architecture would be with their protoco=
l.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Some description of the 5G ar=
chitecture(s) in the document would help cross-SDO understanding
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Explanation of non-roaming/ro=
aming/mobility terminologies used in 3GPP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Some general comments that ne=
ed to be addressed for all protocols:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Explanation of anchor-less mo=
bility<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></span></span><![endif]><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Explanation of interaction be=
tween control plane protocols (e.g. N4 and LISP-CP/ILA-CP, etc)<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
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&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Explanation of how SMF interw=
orks with Mapping system (where ID-LOC is used)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Explanation of how roaming, L=
I, charging, security, scalability, overload considerations, etc. work<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Specific to LISP-CP with ILA-=
DP: benefit of LISP-CP with ILA-DP compared to ILA-CP<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The above and others from next week&#=
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Kalyani and other authors<o:p></o:p><=
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rg]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bogineni, Kalyani<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 8, 2018 2:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> dmm@ietf.org; ila@ietf.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Alberto Rodriguez Natal (natal) &lt;natal@cisco.com&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] [E] New Version Notification for draft-bogineni-d=
mm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-00.txt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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nium.net</a>&gt;;
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com">farinacci@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">A new version of I-D, draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-=
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">has been successfully submitted by Tom Herbert and =
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">Name:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbs=
p;&nbsp;&nbsp; draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Revision:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 00</s=
pan><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-se=
rif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Title:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; Optimized Mobile User Plane Solutions for 5G</span><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">Document date:&nbsp; 2018-03-05</span><span style=
=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">Group:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; Individual Submission</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">Pages:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp; 39</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibr=
i&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">URL:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;
<a href=3D"https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=3Dhttps-3A__www.ietf.=
org_id_draft-2Dbogineni-2Ddmm-2Doptimized-2Dmobile-2Duser-2Dplane-2D00.txt&=
amp;d=3DDwMFAg&amp;c=3DudBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&amp;r=3D=
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1uI8HKfUlD1J-YAktw&amp;e=3D">
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-00.t=
xt</a></span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot=
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">Abstract:</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;fon=
t-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp; 3GPP CT4 has approved a study item to =
study different mobility</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp; management protocols for potential rep=
lacement of GTP tunnels between</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp; UPFs (N9 Interface) in the 3GPP 5G sys=
tem architecture.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;C=
alibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-f=
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp; This document provides an overview of =
5G system architecture in the</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fa=
mily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp; context of N9 Interface which is the s=
cope of the 3GPP CT4 study item</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif">&nbsp;&nbsp; [23501, 23502, 23503, 23203, 29244, 29=
281, 38300, 38401]. The</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Dear Carlos, all,

Just wanted to point out, and congratulate all authors, on a document =
well done: the partial schemes provide a clear mechanism for maintaining =
connectivity while distributing control and data plane aspects. Even =
though it=E2=80=99s a -01, it already shows good form by pointing out =
the necessary extensions to RFC 5213=E2=80=99s messages (I would =
recommend this part to have it=E2=80=99s own section on the document), =
complemented with an interesting set of annexes showcasing =
implementation details, past experiences and even an on-look on future =
adaptability with edge-based mobility (we can even potentially bring =
some ideas to this discussion ourselves for consideration).

Some quick typos to be fixed:

* pg4, 3rd paragraph, line 2, =E2=80=9Cwhere the dataplane is only =
distributted=E2=80=9D
* pg5, last paragraph, line 1, =E2=80=9Cparticipate=E2=80=9D
* pg8, 2nd paragraph, 6th line from the end, =E2=80=9Cthe CMD sends a =
PBA=E2=80=9D
* pg10, 1st paragraph, line 3 =E2=80=9Creflects=E2=80=9D
* pg11, 1st paragraph, line 4 =E2=80=9Cpossession=E2=80=9D
* pg15, 1st paragraph, 6th line from the end, =E2=80=9Cinterface=E2=80=9D
* pg15, 3rd paragraph, 5th line from the end, =E2=80=9Cconsidered=E2=80=9D=


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> On 12 Mar 2018, at 17:02, Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =
<cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>=20
> Hi Akbar,
>=20
> Thanks for the review. Comments inline below.
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> On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 16:41 +0000, Rahman, Akbar wrote:
>> Hi Carlos,
>>=20
>>=20
>> Thanks for the updates.  I think the document is in good shape and
>> should be adopted.
>>=20
>> I did have some small suggestions though for the next revision:
>>=20
>> 1) Abstract - Suggest to remove the last paragraph on "distributed
>> logical interface" as it appears to be a detail and is not very clear
>> anyways at this point in the document what it implies.  If you want
>> to keep the paragraph it should be further clarified as it is not
>> clear what "a software construct" implies?
>=20
> [Carlos] OK, well clarify this further.
>=20
>>=20
>> 2) Figures 2, 3, & 4  - Suggest to replace use of the "?" in the
>> ASCII figure construction with another symbol (such as used in Figure
>> 1).
>=20
> [Carlos] This will be fixed in -02.
>=20
>>=20
>> 3) Section 3.6 - Need to better clarify in the 1st paragraph text in
>> which node the "software construct" of the DLIF is located.  And
>> also, not clear currently why a node internal software construct
>> needs to be discussed in a protocol document.  So probably just my
>> lack of understanding but points to the section requiring further
>> clarity.
>=20
> [Carlos] Will clarify in -02.
>=20
> Thanks!
>=20
> Carlos
>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> Best Regards,
>>=20
>> Akbar
>>=20
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:21 AM
>> To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es; dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-
>> 01.txt]
>>=20
>> Thanks Carlos.
>>=20
>> Folks - Please review the document and post your feedback.
>>=20
>> https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> At IETF100, we polled the WG feedback for adopting this document and
>> there was consensus for adopting this document. However, we chose not
>> to adopt the document as there were no recent discussions in the
>> mailer on this document. We therefore request the WG for feedback in
>> the mailer. We plan to issue an adoption call post IETF101, but we
>> need some feedback and substantial comments.
>>=20
>>=20
>> Dapeng & Sri
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> On 3/6/18, 2:17 PM, "dmm on behalf of Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos =
Cano"
>> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Hi,
>>>=20
>>> We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
>>> comments we got in Singapore:
>>>=20
>>> - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
>>> deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment
>>> received
>>> from Sri).
>>> - Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
>>> (addressing a comment received from Danny).
>>>=20
>>> Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-
>>> deployment-
>>> models and other minor changes.
>>>=20
>>> In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
>>> request feedback/reviews from the WG.
>>>=20
>>> Thanks!
>>>=20
>>> Carlos
>>=20
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wanted to point out, and congratulate all authors, on a document well =
done: the partial schemes provide a clear mechanism for maintaining =
connectivity while distributing control and data plane aspects. Even =
though it=E2=80=99s a -01, it already shows good form by pointing out =
the necessary extensions to RFC 5213=E2=80=99s messages (I would =
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did have some small suggestions though for the next revision:<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">1) Abstract - Suggest to remove the last =
paragraph on "distributed<br class=3D"">logical interface" as it appears =
to be a detail and is not very clear<br class=3D"">anyways at this point =
in the document what it implies. &nbsp;If you want<br class=3D"">to keep =
the paragraph it should be further clarified as it is not<br =
class=3D"">clear what "a software construct" implies?<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">[Carlos] OK, well clarify this =
further.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">2) Figures 2, 3, &amp; 4 &nbsp;- Suggest to =
replace use of the "?" in the<br class=3D"">ASCII figure construction =
with another symbol (such as used in Figure<br class=3D"">1).<br =
class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">[Carlos] This will be fixed in =
-02.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br=
 class=3D"">3) Section 3.6 - Need to better clarify in the 1st paragraph =
text in<br class=3D"">which node the "software construct" of the DLIF is =
located. &nbsp;And<br class=3D"">also, not clear currently why a node =
internal software construct<br class=3D"">needs to be discussed in a =
protocol document. &nbsp;So probably just my<br class=3D"">lack of =
understanding but points to the section requiring further<br =
class=3D"">clarity.<br class=3D""></blockquote><br class=3D"">[Carlos] =
Will clarify in -02.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Thanks!<br =
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type=3D"cite" class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Best Regards,<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Akbar<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">-----Original Message-----<br class=3D"">From: Sri Gundavelli =
(sgundave) [<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com" =
class=3D"">mailto:sgundave@cisco.com</a>]<br class=3D"">Sent: Wednesday, =
March 7, 2018 10:21 AM<br class=3D"">To: <a =
href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es" class=3D"">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>; <a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" class=3D"">dmm@ietf.org</a><br =
class=3D"">Subject: Re: [DMM] [Fwd: I-D Action: =
draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-<br class=3D"">01.txt]<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Thanks Carlos.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Folks - Please =
review the document and post your feedback.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><a =
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chose not<br class=3D"">to adopt the document as there were no recent =
discussions in the<br class=3D"">mailer on this document. We therefore =
request the WG for feedback in<br class=3D"">the mailer. We plan to =
issue an adoption call post IETF101, but we<br class=3D"">need some =
feedback and substantial comments.<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Dapeng &amp; Sri<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On 3/6/18, 2:17 PM, "dmm on =
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added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-<br class=3D"">deployment-<br =
class=3D"">models and other minor changes.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">In=
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Hi all,

In the DMM call this week, some people asked about the scalability of the
Mapping System. The LISP community has delivered different solutions to
address that challenge over the years. Here are some pointers to different
Mapping System implementations, I'm sure that the folks at the LISP WG list
can provide even more references.

LISP Delegated Database Tree (LISP DDT) [1] follows a DNS-like structure
and it's designed to be deployed at Internet scale. For an academic work on
a DNS-based Mapping System take a look at [2].

Designs leveraging DHTs have also been considered to enable high
scalabilty, see for instance [3][4]. For a survey on different Mapping
System options see [5] (I wasn't able to find an open version of this
article unfortunately).

For those interested in current research efforts, recent works include
decentralized designs [6] or even Blockchain-based approaches [7].

Hope this helps,
Alberto

[1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8111
[2] http://people.ac.upc.edu/ljakab/2010-jakab-jsac-lisp-tree.pdf
[3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheng-lisp-shdht-04
[4]
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.139.735&rep=rep1&type=pdf
[5] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6422285/
[6] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00
[7]
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/materials/slides-97-lisp-blockchain-based-mapping-system/

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<br><br>In the DMM call this week, some people aske=
d about the scalability of the Mapping System. The LISP community has deliv=
ered different solutions to address that challenge over the years. Here are=
 some pointers to different Mapping System implementations, I&#39;m sure th=
at the folks at the LISP WG list can provide even more references.<br><br>L=
ISP Delegated Database Tree (LISP DDT) [1] follows a DNS-like structure and=
 it&#39;s designed to be deployed at Internet scale. For an academic work o=
n a DNS-based Mapping System take a look at [2]. <br><br>Designs leveraging=
 DHTs have also been considered to enable high scalabilty, see for instance=
 [3][4]. For a survey on different Mapping System options see [5] (I wasn&#=
39;t able to find an open version of this article unfortunately).<br><br>Fo=
r those interested in current research efforts, recent works include decent=
ralized designs [6] or even Blockchain-based approaches [7].<br><br>Hope th=
is helps,<br>Alberto<br><br>[1] <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8=
111">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8111</a><br>[2] <a href=3D"http://peopl=
e.ac.upc.edu/ljakab/2010-jakab-jsac-lisp-tree.pdf">http://people.ac.upc.edu=
/ljakab/2010-jakab-jsac-lisp-tree.pdf</a><br>[3] <a href=3D"https://tools.i=
etf.org/html/draft-cheng-lisp-shdht-04">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-c=
heng-lisp-shdht-04</a><br>[4] <a href=3D"http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewd=
oc/download?doi=3D10.1.1.139.735&amp;rep=3Drep1&amp;type=3Dpdf">http://cite=
seerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=3D10.1.1.139.735&amp;rep=3Drep1&amp;=
type=3Dpdf</a><br>[5] <a href=3D"http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/642228=
5/">http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6422285/</a><br>[6] <a href=3D"http=
s://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00">https://tools.ietf.=
org/html/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00</a><br>[7] <a href=3D"https://datat=
racker.ietf.org/meeting/97/materials/slides-97-lisp-blockchain-based-mappin=
g-system/">https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/materials/slides-97-lisp=
-blockchain-based-mapping-system/</a><br><br></div>

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Am 16.03.2018 um 09:19 schrieb Alberto Rodriguez-Natal:
> Hi all,
> 
> In the DMM call this week, some people asked about the scalability of
> the Mapping System. The LISP community has delivered different solutions
> to address that challenge over the years. Here are some pointers to
> different Mapping System implementations, I'm sure that the folks at the
> LISP WG list can provide even more references.
> 
> LISP Delegated Database Tree (LISP DDT) [1] follows a DNS-like structure
> and it's designed to be deployed at Internet scale. For an academic work
> on a DNS-based Mapping System take a look at [2].
> 
> Designs leveraging DHTs have also been considered to enable high
> scalabilty, see for instance [3][4]. For a survey on different Mapping
> System options see [5] (I wasn't able to find an open version of this
> article unfortunately).
https://atlas.informatik.uni-tuebingen.de/~menth/papers/Menth13c.pdf

Regards,

Michael

> 
> For those interested in current research efforts, recent works include
> decentralized designs [6] or even Blockchain-based approaches [7].
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Alberto
> 
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8111
> [2] http://people.ac.upc.edu/ljakab/2010-jakab-jsac-lisp-tree.pdf
> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheng-lisp-shdht-04
> [4]
> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.139.735&rep=rep1&type=pdf
> [5] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6422285/
> [6] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00
> [7]
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/materials/slides-97-lisp-blockchain-based-mapping-system/
> 
> 
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Hi Alberto,

It seems like you are not in 5G IP mailing list (cc'ed above 5gangip).
At 5gangip we decided to work on end to end privacy enabled mapping system
and the group has a side meeting as follows:

Thursday March 22nd, 10:00 - 11:30 Room: IETF Side Meetings room

We are going to take your mail as input from LISP side.

Regards,
Behcet

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:19 AM, Alberto Rodriguez-Natal <
rodrigueznatal@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> In the DMM call this week, some people asked about the scalability of the
> Mapping System. The LISP community has delivered different solutions to
> address that challenge over the years. Here are some pointers to different
> Mapping System implementations, I'm sure that the folks at the LISP WG list
> can provide even more references.
>
> LISP Delegated Database Tree (LISP DDT) [1] follows a DNS-like structure
> and it's designed to be deployed at Internet scale. For an academic work on
> a DNS-based Mapping System take a look at [2].
>
> Designs leveraging DHTs have also been considered to enable high
> scalabilty, see for instance [3][4]. For a survey on different Mapping
> System options see [5] (I wasn't able to find an open version of this
> article unfortunately).
>
> For those interested in current research efforts, recent works include
> decentralized designs [6] or even Blockchain-based approaches [7].
>
> Hope this helps,
> Alberto
>
> [1] https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8111
> [2] http://people.ac.upc.edu/ljakab/2010-jakab-jsac-lisp-tree.pdf
> [3] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-cheng-lisp-shdht-04
> [4] http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.
> 139.735&rep=rep1&type=pdf
> [5] http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6422285/
> [6] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00
> [7] https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/97/materials/slides-
> 97-lisp-blockchain-based-mapping-system/
>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Alberto,<div><br></div><div>It seems like you are not i=
n 5G IP mailing list (cc&#39;ed above 5gangip).</div><div>At 5gangip we dec=
ided to work on end to end privacy enabled mapping system and the group has=
 a side meeting as follows:</div><div><br></div><div>Thursday March 22nd, 1=
0:00 - 11:30 Room: IETF Side Meetings room</div><div><br></div><div>We are =
going to take your mail as input from LISP side.</div><div><br></div><div>R=
egards,</div><div>Behcet</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 3:19 AM, Alberto Rodriguez-Natal=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:rodrigueznatal@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">rodrigueznatal@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Hi all,<br><br>In the DMM call this week=
, some people asked about the scalability of the Mapping System. The LISP c=
ommunity has delivered different solutions to address that challenge over t=
he years. Here are some pointers to different Mapping System implementation=
s, I&#39;m sure that the folks at the LISP WG list can provide even more re=
ferences.<br><br>LISP Delegated Database Tree (LISP DDT) [1] follows a DNS-=
like structure and it&#39;s designed to be deployed at Internet scale. For =
an academic work on a DNS-based Mapping System take a look at [2]. <br><br>=
Designs leveraging DHTs have also been considered to enable high scalabilty=
, see for instance [3][4]. For a survey on different Mapping System options=
 see [5] (I wasn&#39;t able to find an open version of this article unfortu=
nately).<br><br>For those interested in current research efforts, recent wo=
rks include decentralized designs [6] or even Blockchain-based approaches [=
7].<br><br>Hope this helps,<br>Alberto<br><br>[1] <a href=3D"https://tools.=
ietf.org/html/rfc8111" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/<wbr>r=
fc8111</a><br>[2] <a href=3D"http://people.ac.upc.edu/ljakab/2010-jakab-jsa=
c-lisp-tree.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://people.ac.upc.edu/<wbr>ljakab/201=
0-jakab-jsac-lisp-<wbr>tree.pdf</a><br>[3] <a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.or=
g/html/draft-cheng-lisp-shdht-04" target=3D"_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/=
html/<wbr>draft-cheng-lisp-shdht-04</a><br>[4] <a href=3D"http://citeseerx.=
ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=3D10.1.1.139.735&amp;rep=3Drep1&amp;type=
=3Dpdf" target=3D"_blank">http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/<wbr>viewdoc/downloa=
d?doi=3D10.1.1.<wbr>139.735&amp;rep=3Drep1&amp;type=3Dpdf</a><br>[5] <a hre=
f=3D"http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/6422285/" target=3D"_blank">http:/=
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ools.ietf.org/html/draft-farinacci-lisp-decent-00" target=3D"_blank">https:=
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Dear Daniel,

Thanks a lot for your review. Please see some comments inline below.

On Thu, 2018-03-15 at 21:37 +0000, Daniel Corujo wrote:
> Dear Carlos, all,
> 
> Just wanted to point out, and congratulate all authors, on a document
> well done: the partial schemes provide a clear mechanism for
> maintaining connectivity while distributing control and data plane
> aspects. Even though it’s a -01, it already shows good form by
> pointing out the necessary extensions to RFC 5213’s messages (I would
> recommend this part to have it’s own section on the document), 

[Carlos] OK, we'll evaluate this change of structure for -02.

> complemented with an interesting set of annexes showcasing
> implementation details, past experiences and even an on-look on
> future adaptability with edge-based mobility (we can even potentially
> bring some ideas to this discussion ourselves for consideration).
> 
> Some quick typos to be fixed:
> 
> * pg4, 3rd paragraph, line 2, “where the dataplane is only
> distributted”
> * pg5, last paragraph, line 1, “participate”
> * pg8, 2nd paragraph, 6th line from the end, “the CMD sends a PBA”
> * pg10, 1st paragraph, line 3 “reflects”
> * pg11, 1st paragraph, line 4 “possession”
> * pg15, 1st paragraph, 6th line from the end, “interface”
> * pg15, 3rd paragraph, 5th line from the end, “considered”

[Carlos] Thanks. We'll fix them all for -02.

Thanks!

Carlos

> 
> Best regards,
> 
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> > On 12 Mar 2018, at 17:02, Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc3m
> > .es> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Akbar,
> > 
> > Thanks for the review. Comments inline below.
> > 
> > On Mon, 2018-03-12 at 16:41 +0000, Rahman, Akbar wrote:
> > > Hi Carlos,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks for the updates.  I think the document is in good shape
> > > and
> > > should be adopted.
> > > 
> > > I did have some small suggestions though for the next revision:
> > > 
> > > 1) Abstract - Suggest to remove the last paragraph on
> > > "distributed
> > > logical interface" as it appears to be a detail and is not very
> > > clear
> > > anyways at this point in the document what it implies.  If you
> > > want
> > > to keep the paragraph it should be further clarified as it is not
> > > clear what "a software construct" implies?
> > 
> > [Carlos] OK, well clarify this further.
> > 
> > > 2) Figures 2, 3, & 4  - Suggest to replace use of the "?" in the
> > > ASCII figure construction with another symbol (such as used in
> > > Figure
> > > 1).
> > 
> > [Carlos] This will be fixed in -02.
> > 
> > > 3) Section 3.6 - Need to better clarify in the 1st paragraph text
> > > in
> > > which node the "software construct" of the DLIF is located.  And
> > > also, not clear currently why a node internal software construct
> > > needs to be discussed in a protocol document.  So probably just
> > > my
> > > lack of understanding but points to the section requiring further
> > > clarity.
> > 
> > [Carlos] Will clarify in -02.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > > 
> > > Best Regards,
> > > 
> > > Akbar
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 10:21 AM
> > > To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es; dmm@ietf.org
> > > Subject: Re: [DMM] [Fwd: I-D Action: draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-
> > > dlif-
> > > 01.txt]
> > > 
> > > Thanks Carlos.
> > > 
> > > Folks - Please review the document and post your feedback.
> > > 
> > > https://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > At IETF100, we polled the WG feedback for adopting this document
> > > and
> > > there was consensus for adopting this document. However, we chose
> > > not
> > > to adopt the document as there were no recent discussions in the
> > > mailer on this document. We therefore request the WG for feedback
> > > in
> > > the mailer. We plan to issue an adoption call post IETF101, but
> > > we
> > > need some feedback and substantial comments.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Dapeng & Sri
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 3/6/18, 2:17 PM, "dmm on behalf of Carlos Jesús Bernardos
> > > Cano"
> > > <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
> > > > comments we got in Singapore:
> > > > 
> > > > - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
> > > > deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment
> > > > received
> > > > from Sri).
> > > > - Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
> > > > (addressing a comment received from Danny).
> > > > 
> > > > Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-
> > > > deployment-
> > > > models and other minor changes.
> > > > 
> > > > In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd
> > > > like to
> > > > request feedback/reviews from the WG.
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks!
> > > > 
> > > > Carlos
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Uma Chunduri <uma.chunduri@huawei.com> wrote:
> Great work, Thank you Kalyani & Tom.
>
> 2 quick questions:
>
> 1.  I presume SR inline is just SRH with 2 SIDs as mentioned - didn't see the topology used. Do intermediate nodes handle these SIDs, with pointer update in SRH?

Two hosts connected back to back. SR processing done by end host.

> 2.  Also for Geneve  - it's IP4 encap and VNI no TLVs?
>
No TLVs. GUE uses RCO extension. Other than that all the variants
should be out of the box with no options set. Encapsulations are
v4/v4, SRv6 and ILA are all IPv6.

I'll post the all the configuration scripts to github once I have some time.

Tom


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> All:
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> Here are some raw performance test results based on our understanding of the different network overlay methods. We welcome discussion and comments.
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> Kalyani and Tom
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On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 7:55 AM, Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com> wrote:
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> We are going to take your mail as input from LISP side.

Please, feel free to do so Behcet. Just note that it's not a comprehensive list.

Looking forward to the meeting on Thursday.

Best,
Alberto


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Hi all,

I submitted a new draft describes an approach for introducing ID-LOC 
split solution into 5GS with low-impact. We welcome your questions or 
comments regarding this draft.

https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-homma-dmm-5gs-id-loc-coexistence-00.txt

Also, I'm interested in the work to propose ILSP and SRv6 to 3GPP 5G. 
I'll be glad if I can participate the discussion.

Best regards,

Shunsuke

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Name:		draft-homma-dmm-5gs-id-loc-coexistence
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Title:		Co-existence of 3GPP 5GS and Identifier Locator Separation Solution
Document date:	2018-03-18
Group:		Individual Submission
Pages:		22
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https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-homma-dmm-5gs-id-loc-coexistence-00.txt
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https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-homma-dmm-5gs-id-loc-coexistence/
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Abstract:
    This document describes an approach to introduce Identifier Locator
    Separation solution into 3GPP 5GS with low-impact on its
    specification, and shows the features and considerations of this
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Hi Tom, Kalyani,



If the SR processing of the two SIDs is done by the end host, then I believ=
e the results for SR are obviously not valid.



Also in all the hardware-based routing platforms for which we have done int=
erop https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-srv6-interop-00#sect=
ion-2, we have SRv6 running at linecard rate.



Note that I find this performance testing work interesting, and I=92m willi=
ng to help you carry them. However, for next releases I would also consider=
 leveraging projects like linux foundation fdio CSIT https://wiki.fd.io/vie=
w/CSIT/Description, in order to have a more methodical and accurate results=
 (ILA has higher throughput than native IPv6 with a lower TPS).



Thanks.



Cheers,

Pablo.

________________________________
De:Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
Enviado:viernes, 16 de marzo de 2018 7:58 p. m.
Para:Uma Chunduri
Cc: dmm
Asunto: Re: [DMM] some test results of different network overlay methods

On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Uma Chunduri <uma.chunduri@huawei.com> wr=
ote:
> Great work, Thank you Kalyani & Tom.
>
> 2 quick questions:
>
> 1.  I presume SR inline is just SRH with 2 SIDs as mentioned - didn't see=
 the topology used. Do intermediate nodes handle these SIDs, with pointer u=
pdate in SRH?

Two hosts connected back to back. SR processing done by end host.

> 2.  Also for Geneve  - it's IP4 encap and VNI no TLVs?
>
No TLVs. GUE uses RCO extension. Other than that all the variants
should be out of the box with no options set. Encapsulations are
v4/v4, SRv6 and ILA are all IPv6.

I'll post the all the configuration scripts to github once I have some time=
.

Tom


> --
> Uma C.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Bogineni, Kalyani
> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:16 AM
> To: dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
> Subject: [DMM] some test results of different network overlay methods
>
>
> All:
>
> Here are some raw performance test results based on our understanding of =
the different network overlay methods. We welcome discussion and comments.
>
> Kalyani and Tom
> _______________________________________________
> dmm mailing list
> dmm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm

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ne; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">If the SR processing of the two SIDs is done by the end host, then I b=
elieve the results for SR are obviously not valid.</span><br>
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rif">&nbsp;</span><br>
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ne; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Also in all the hardware-based routing platforms for which we have don=
e interop
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-srv6-interop-0=
0#section-2">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-srv6-interop-00#section-2=
</a>, we have SRv6 running at linecard rate.</span><br>
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rif">&nbsp;</span><br>
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ne; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Note that I find this performance testing work interesting, and I=92m =
willing to help you carry them. However, for next releases I would also con=
sider leveraging projects like linux foundation
 fdio CSIT<span>&nbsp;</span><a href=3D"https://wiki.fd.io/view/CSIT/Descri=
ption">https://wiki.fd.io/view/CSIT/Description</a>, in order to have a mor=
e methodical and accurate results (ILA has higher throughput than native IP=
v6 with a lower TPS).</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size:12pt; font-family:Calibri,sa=
ns-serif; color:rgb(0,0,0); font-style:normal; font-weight:400; letter-spac=
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ne; white-space:normal; widows:2; word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Cheers,</span><br>
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<b>Enviado:</b>viernes, 16 de marzo de 2018 7:58 p. m.<br>
<b>Para:</b>Uma Chunduri<br>
<b>Cc:</b> dmm <br>
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<div class=3D"PlainText">On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Uma Chunduri &lt=
;uma.chunduri@huawei.com&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Great work, Thank you Kalyani &amp; Tom.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2 quick questions:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1.&nbsp; I presume SR inline is just SRH with 2 SIDs as mentioned - di=
dn't see the topology used. Do intermediate nodes handle these SIDs, with p=
ointer update in SRH?<br>
<br>
Two hosts connected back to back. SR processing done by end host.<br>
<br>
&gt; 2.&nbsp; Also for Geneve&nbsp; - it's IP4 encap and VNI no TLVs?<br>
&gt;<br>
No TLVs. GUE uses RCO extension. Other than that all the variants<br>
should be out of the box with no options set. Encapsulations are<br>
v4/v4, SRv6 and ILA are all IPv6.<br>
<br>
I'll post the all the configuration scripts to github once I have some time=
.<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Uma C.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@=
ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of Bogineni, Kalyani<br>
&gt; Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:16 AM<br>
&gt; To: dmm &lt;dmm@ietf.org&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: [DMM] some test results of different network overlay methods<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; All:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here are some raw performance test results based on our understanding =
of the different network overlay methods. We welcome discussion and comment=
s.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Kalyani and Tom<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
&gt; dmm mailing list<br>
&gt; dmm@ietf.org<br>
&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm">https://www.ietf=
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On Sun, Mar 18, 2018, 1:40 PM Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) <pcamaril@cisco.co=
m>
wrote:

> Hi Tom, Kalyani,
>
>
>
> If the SR processing of the two SIDs is done by the end host, then I
> believe the results for SR are obviously not valid.
>

Pablo,

Why isn't this valid?


>
>
> Also in all the hardware-based routing platforms for which we have done
> interop
> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-srv6-interop-00#section=
-2,
> we have SRv6 running at linecard rate.
>
>
>
> Note that I find this performance testing work interesting, and I=E2=80=
=99m
> willing to help you carry them. However, for next releases I would also
> consider leveraging projects like linux foundation fdio CSIT
> https://wiki.fd.io/view/CSIT/Description, in order to have a more
> methodical and accurate results (ILA has higher throughput than native IP=
v6
> with a lower TPS).
>
>
>
To be clear, this is testing a real TCP stack and host terminating
encapsulation (not just router performance). For this purpose the tests are
methodical and accurate. The big difference in performance have a lot to do
how well NICs deal with different encapsulations and EH in case of SR. The
most interesting result, I think, is IPIP (and SR/IPIP) with drop in TPS.
This indicates that device (in this case ixgbe) isn't getting 5-tuple hash
for RSS. It's not parsing over headers to find ports for hash.
Interestingly, it was able to parse into L4 when just SR header is present.
Capabilities for things like this will vary between NICs.

Tom


> Thanks.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Pablo.
>
> ------------------------------
> *De:*Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
> *Enviado:*viernes, 16 de marzo de 2018 7:58 p. m.
> *Para:*Uma Chunduri
> *Cc:* dmm
> *Asunto:* Re: [DMM] some test results of different network overlay method=
s
>
> On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Uma Chunduri <uma.chunduri@huawei.com>
> wrote:
> > Great work, Thank you Kalyani & Tom.
> >
> > 2 quick questions:
> >
> > 1.  I presume SR inline is just SRH with 2 SIDs as mentioned - didn't
> see the topology used. Do intermediate nodes handle these SIDs, with
> pointer update in SRH?
>
> Two hosts connected back to back. SR processing done by end host.
>
> > 2.  Also for Geneve  - it's IP4 encap and VNI no TLVs?
> >
> No TLVs. GUE uses RCO extension. Other than that all the variants
> should be out of the box with no options set. Encapsulations are
> v4/v4, SRv6 and ILA are all IPv6.
>
> I'll post the all the configuration scripts to github once I have some
> time.
>
> Tom
>
>
> > --
> > Uma C.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org <dmm-bounces@ietf.org>] On
> Behalf Of Bogineni, Kalyani
> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:16 AM
> > To: dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
> > Subject: [DMM] some test results of different network overlay methods
> >
> >
> > All:
> >
> > Here are some raw performance test results based on our understanding o=
f
> the different network overlay methods. We welcome discussion and comments=
.
> >
> > Kalyani and Tom
> > _______________________________________________
> > dmm mailing list
> > dmm@ietf.org
> > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>
> _______________________________________________
> dmm mailing list
> dmm@ietf.org
> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.0=
pt;line-height:1.3;color:#1f497d">
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Hi Tom, Kalyani,</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">=C2=A0</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">If the SR processing of the two SIDs is done by the end host, then I b=
elieve the results for SR are obviously not valid.</span></p></div></div></=
div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">=
Pablo,</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Why isn&#39;t thi=
s valid?</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;bo=
rder-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div style=3D"font-fam=
ily:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12.0pt;line-height:1.3;col=
or:#1f497d"><p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:=
Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;lette=
r-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white=
-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">=C2=A0</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Also in all the hardware-based routing platforms for which we have don=
e interop
<a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-srv6-interop-0=
0#section-2" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-filsfils-spring-srv6-interop-00#section-2=
</a>, we have SRv6 running at linecard rate.</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">=C2=A0</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Note that I find this performance testing work interesting, and I=E2=
=80=99m willing to help you carry them. However, for next releases I would =
also consider leveraging projects like linux foundation
 fdio CSIT<span>=C2=A0</span><a href=3D"https://wiki.fd.io/view/CSIT/Descri=
ption" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://wiki.fd.io/v=
iew/CSIT/Description</a>, in order to have a more methodical and accurate r=
esults (ILA has higher throughput than native IPv6 with a lower TPS).</span=
><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">=C2=A0</span></p></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div><div dir=
=3D"auto">To be clear, this is testing a real TCP stack and host terminatin=
g encapsulation (not just router performance). For this purpose the tests a=
re methodical and accurate. The big difference in performance have a lot to=
 do how well NICs deal with different encapsulations and EH in case of SR. =
The most interesting result, I think, is IPIP (and SR/IPIP) with drop in TP=
S. This indicates that device (in this case ixgbe) isn&#39;t getting 5-tupl=
e hash for RSS. It&#39;s not parsing over headers to find ports for hash. I=
nterestingly, it was able to parse into L4 when just SR header is present. =
Capabilities for things like this will vary between NICs.</div><div dir=3D"=
auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Tom</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" =
style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><di=
v><div><div style=3D"font-family:Calibri,Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif;font-si=
ze:12.0pt;line-height:1.3;color:#1f497d"><p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001p=
t;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style=
:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:=
0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px"><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Thanks.</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">=C2=A0</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Cheers,</span><br>
</p>
<p style=3D"margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri,sans=
-serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:no=
rmal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:norma=
l;word-spacing:0px">
<span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"font-family:&quot;calibri light&quot;,sans-se=
rif">Pablo.</span><br>
</p>
<br>
</div>
<div id=3D"m_7442192905038868777m_-7084624912311410048x_quoted_header" styl=
e=3D"clear:both">
<hr style=3D"border:none;min-height:1px;color:#e1e1e1;background-color:#e1e=
1e1">
<div style=3D"border:none;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><span style=3D"font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:&#39;Calibri&#39;,&#39;sans-serif&#39;"><b>De:</b>Tom=
 Herbert &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tom@quantonium.net" rel=3D"noreferrer norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">tom@quantonium.net</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Enviado:</b>viernes, 16 de marzo de 2018 7:58 p. m.<br>
<b>Para:</b>Uma Chunduri<br>
<b>Cc:</b> dmm <br>
<b>Asunto:</b> Re: [DMM] some test results of different network overlay met=
hods<br>
</span></div>
</div>
<br type=3D"attribution">
</div>
<font size=3D"2"><span style=3D"font-size:10pt">
<div class=3D"m_7442192905038868777m_-7084624912311410048PlainText">On Fri,=
 Mar 16, 2018 at 12:40 PM, Uma Chunduri &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:uma.chunduri@=
huawei.com" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">uma.chunduri@hu=
awei.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; Great work, Thank you Kalyani &amp; Tom.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 2 quick questions:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; 1.=C2=A0 I presume SR inline is just SRH with 2 SIDs as mentioned - di=
dn&#39;t see the topology used. Do intermediate nodes handle these SIDs, wi=
th pointer update in SRH?<br>
<br>
Two hosts connected back to back. SR processing done by end host.<br>
<br>
&gt; 2.=C2=A0 Also for Geneve=C2=A0 - it&#39;s IP4 encap and VNI no TLVs?<b=
r>
&gt;<br>
No TLVs. GUE uses RCO extension. Other than that all the variants<br>
should be out of the box with no options set. Encapsulations are<br>
v4/v4, SRv6 and ILA are all IPv6.<br>
<br>
I&#39;ll post the all the configuration scripts to github once I have some =
time.<br>
<br>
Tom<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; --<br>
&gt; Uma C.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; -----Original Message-----<br>
&gt; From: dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>] On Behalf Of =
Bogineni, Kalyani<br>
&gt; Sent: Friday, March 16, 2018 11:16 AM<br>
&gt; To: dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferr=
er" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; Subject: [DMM] some test results of different network overlay methods<=
br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; All:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Here are some raw performance test results based on our understanding =
of the different network overlay methods. We welcome discussion and comment=
s.<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Kalyani and Tom<br>
&gt; _______________________________________________<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : MN Identifier Types for RFC 4283 Mobile Node Identifier Option
        Authors         : Charles E. Perkins
                          Vijay Devarapalli
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-4283mnids-08.txt
	Pages           : 14
	Date            : 2018-03-18

Abstract:
   Additional Identifier Type Numbers are defined for use with the
   Mobile Node Identifier Option for MIPv6 (RFC 4283).


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Thanks for addressing my DISCUSS.



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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : On Demand Mobility Management
        Authors         : Alper Yegin
                          Danny Moses
                          Kisuk Kweon
                          Jinsung Lee
                          Jungshin Park
                          Seil Jeon
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-14.txt
	Pages           : 15
	Date            : 2018-03-19

Abstract:
   Applications differ with respect to whether they need IP session
   continuity and/or IP address reachability.  The network providing the
   same type of service to any mobile host and any application running
   on the host yields inefficiencies.  This document describes a
   solution for taking the application needs into account by selectively
   providing IP session continuity and IP address reachability on a per-
   socket basis.


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The IESG has approved the following document:
- 'MN Identifier Types for RFC 4283 Mobile Node Identifier Option'
  (draft-ietf-dmm-4283mnids-08.txt) as Proposed Standard

This document is the product of the Distributed Mobility Management Working
Group.

The IESG contact persons are Suresh Krishnan and Terry Manderson.

A URL of this Internet Draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-4283mnids/





Technical Summary

   The Mobile Node Identifier Option for MIPv6 [RFC4283] has proved to
   be a popular design tool for providing identifiers for mobile nodes
   during authentication procedures with AAA protocols such as Diameter
   [RFC3588].  To date, only a single type of identifier has been
   specified, namely the MN NAI.  Other types of identifiers are in
   common use, and even referenced in RFC 4283.  This document proposes 
   adding some basic types that are defined in various telecommunications 
   standards, including types for IMSI, P-TMSI, IMEI, and GUTI. 
   Also includes identifiers that are tied to the physical elements of the 
   device (RFID, MAC address etc.) 

Working Group Summary

    There is consensus in the WG to publish this document. This document has been discussed in the working group for a while and has been reviewed by several WG participants.

Document Quality

    The document has been reviewed by the document shepherd and several WG participants. It has also received several directorate reviews including a very comprehensive Gen-ART review. The earlier version of this document (RFC4283) was required in 3GPP2 networks.

Personnel

  The document Shepherd is Dapeng Liu. The Responsible
  Area Director is Suresh Krishnan.


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Authors:

This draft is under WGLC. We were not expecting you guys to post an update
during LC period.

Please let the WG know about the changes in version -18.

WG: Please post WGLC comments on version 13 and not on -14.


Thanks
Sri


On 3/19/18, 7:21 AM, "dmm on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

>
>A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>directories.
>This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of
>the IETF.
>
>        Title           : On Demand Mobility Management
>        Authors         : Alper Yegin
>                          Danny Moses
>                          Kisuk Kweon
>                          Jinsung Lee
>                          Jungshin Park
>                          Seil Jeon
>	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-14.txt
>	Pages           : 15
>	Date            : 2018-03-19
>
>Abstract:
>   Applications differ with respect to whether they need IP session
>   continuity and/or IP address reachability.  The network providing the
>   same type of service to any mobile host and any application running
>   on the host yields inefficiencies.  This document describes a
>   solution for taking the application needs into account by selectively
>   providing IP session continuity and IP address reachability on a per-
>   socket basis.
>
>
>The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility/
>
>There are also htmlized versions available at:
>https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-14
>https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-14
>
>A diff from the previous version is available at:
>https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-14
>
>
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We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I would
ask a couple of simple questions which I hope have already been addressed
in previous e-mails:

1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.
However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15 incorrect
or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one do any policy in
those figures?

2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is unclear how
policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state the proposed ILA
design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is noted that not all functions
are supported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful
intercept, etc. is supported at all.  Will this be section be updated?

3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with the UPF
functions to ensure coverage?

4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00)?

Thanks!

Lyle

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<div dir=3D"ltr">We&#39;ll be quite time constrained during this session so=
 I thought I would ask a couple of simple questions which I hope have alrea=
dy been addressed in previous e-mails:<div><br></div><div>1. Figures 14 &am=
p; 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.=C2=A0 However, Fi=
gures 16 &amp; 17 do.=C2=A0 It is a bit confusing.=C2=A0 Are 14 &amp; 15 in=
correct or is an option to skip the SMF?=C2=A0 If correct, how does one do =
any policy in those figures?</div><div><br></div><div>2.=C2=A0 ILA appears =
to be super NAT&#39;g (more than 1 NAT) but it is unclear how policy works.=
=C2=A0 I am not sure that in its current state the proposed ILA design addr=
esses in Section 3.=C2=A0 Although it is noted that not all functions are s=
upported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful intercept, etc=
. is supported at all.=C2=A0 Will this be section be updated?</div><div><br=
></div><div>3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution =
with the UPF functions to ensure coverage?</div><div><br></div><div>4.=C2=
=A0 Will MFA be proposed as an option (<span class=3D"m_7897498181242472094=
gmail-h1" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:1em;font-family:monospace;lin=
e-height:0pt;display:inline;white-space:pre-wrap;font-weight:bold"><h1 styl=
e=3D"line-height:0pt;display:inline;font-size:1em">draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa=
-00</h1></span><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px">)?=C2=
=A0</span></div><div><span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13.3333px"><=
br></span></div><div><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=3D"font-size:13.33=
33px">Thanks!</span></font></div><div><font color=3D"#000000"><span style=
=3D"font-size:13.3333px"><br>Lyle</span></font></div><div><br></div><div><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0=C2=A0</div=
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>  [KB] I will let Sri answer this.

Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.

If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if this=
 work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document should inc=
lude all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem statement on=
 user-pane optimization. At this point, its an individual I-D and it is up =
to the authors on what to include, or what to exclude.

Sri


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Will MFA be proposed as an option
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com> wrote:
> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I would ask
> a couple of simple questions which I hope have already been addressed in
> previous e-mails:
>
> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.
> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15 incorrect
> or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one do any policy in
> those figures?
>
> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is unclear how
> policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state the proposed ILA
> design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is noted that not all functions
> are supported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful intercept,
> etc.. is supported at all.  Will this be section be updated?
>
Hi Lyle,

ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
independent of the actual overlay mechanism.

Tom

> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with the UPF
> functions to ensure coverage?
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> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
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Kalyani,

Thanks so much.

Lyle

On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Bogineni, Kalyani <
Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com> wrote:

> Lyle:
>
>
>
> Thank you for your comments. The document is still work-in-progress. The
> future revisions will address your comments.
>
>
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>
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> *From:* dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] *On Behalf Of *Lyle Bertz
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:57 AM
> *To:* dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
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>
> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I would
> ask a couple of simple questions which I hope have already been addressed
> in previous e-mails:
>
>
>
> 1.      Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an
> SMF.  However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
> incorrect or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one do any
> policy in those figures?
>
> [KB] Slide #12 in the presentation show the complete diagrams, the
> document needs to be updated.
>
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-
> 101-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-solutions-for-5g-00
>
>
>
>
>
> 2.      ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is unclear
> how policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state the proposed ILA
> design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is noted that not all functions
> are supported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful
> intercept, etc.. is supported at all.  Will this be section be updated?
>
> [KB] the sections will be updated to show how each solution meets the
> requirements in Section 3.
>
>
>
> 3.      Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with
> the UPF functions to ensure coverage?
>
> [KB] That is the plan.
>
>
>
> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option
> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00 [KB] I will let Sri answer this.
>
> )?
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> Lyle
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Kalyani,<div><br></div><div>Thanks so much.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>Lyle</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gma=
il_quote">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:14 AM, Bogineni, Kalyani <span dir=3D"=
ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com" target=3D"=
_blank">Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">





<div lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72">
<div class=3D"m_290598720490952001WordSection1">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Lyle:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Thank you for your comments. The docu=
ment is still work-in-progress. The future revisions will address your comm=
ents.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> dmm [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:=
dmm-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Lyle Bertz<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 20, 2018 6:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ie=
tf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [E] Re: [DMM] draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-<wbr>mobile-user=
-plane-00<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
<div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">We&#39;ll be quite time constrained during this sess=
ion so I thought I would ask a couple of simple questions which I hope have=
 already been addressed in previous e-mails:<u></u><u></u></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
</span><div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.25i=
n">
<u></u><span>1.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span><u></u>Figures 14 &amp; 15 are described as options and do no=
t include an SMF.=C2=A0 However, Figures 16 &amp; 17 do.=C2=A0 It is a bit =
confusing.=C2=A0 Are 14 &amp; 15 incorrect or is an option to skip the SMF?=
=C2=A0 If correct, how does one do any policy in those figures?<u></u><u></=
u></p>
</span><p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-le=
ft:.25in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:#1f497d">[KB] Slide #12 in the presentation show the comple=
te diagrams, the document needs to be updated. =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.25i=
n"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-ser=
if;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/mater=
ials/slides-101-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-solutions-for-5g-00" target=
=3D"_blank">https://datatracker.ietf.org/<wbr>meeting/101/materials/slides-=
<wbr>101-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-<wbr>plane-solutions-for-5g-00</a><u></u=
><u></u></span></p>
<p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph"><span style=3D"color:#1f4=
97d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.25i=
n">
<u></u><span>2.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span><u></u>ILA appears to be super NAT&#39;g (more than 1 NAT) bu=
t it is unclear how policy works.=C2=A0 I am not sure that in its current s=
tate the proposed ILA design addresses in Section 3.=C2=A0 Although it is n=
oted that not all functions are supported at
 a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful intercept, etc.. is suppo=
rted at all.=C2=A0 Will this be section be updated?<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.25i=
n"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">[KB] the sections will be updated to show =
how each solution meets the requirements in Section 3.<u></u><u></u></span>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-left:.25i=
n">
<u></u><span>3.<span style=3D"font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
</span></span><u></u>Will a feature support comparison be made for each sol=
ution with the UPF functions to ensure coverage?<u></u><u></u></p>
</span><p class=3D"m_290598720490952001MsoListParagraph" style=3D"margin-le=
ft:.25in"><span style=3D"color:#1f497d">[KB] That is the plan.<u></u><u></u=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div><span class=3D"">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">4.=C2=A0 Will MFA be proposed as an option<span clas=
s=3D"m_290598720490952001m7897498181242472094gmail-h1"><b><span style=3D"fo=
nt-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></b></s=
pan></p>
</span><h1><span style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&qu=
ot;;color:black">draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00</span><span style=3D"font-size=
:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;"><u></u><u></u></span></h1>
<h1 style=3D"margin-left:.5in"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1f497d;font-weight:normal">[KB] I wil=
l let Sri answer this.<u></u><u></u></span></h1>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black">)?=C2=
=A0</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Thanks!=
</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;color:black"><br>
Lyle</span><u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>

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Tom:

> ILA is not NAT! :-)

As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the function
that is needed at two places where you do translation of the addresses
from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and you have a
mapping state similar to NAT state. That=B9s a NAT :-)


Sri

On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert" <dmm-bounces@ietf.org
on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com> wrote:
>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
>>would ask
>> a couple of simple questions which I hope have already been addressed in
>> previous e-mails:
>>
>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.
>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
>>incorrect
>> or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one do any
>>policy in
>> those figures?
>>
>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is unclear
>>how
>> policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state the proposed ILA
>> design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is noted that not all
>>functions
>> are supported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful
>>intercept,
>> etc.. is supported at all.  Will this be section be updated?
>>
>Hi Lyle,
>
>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>
>Tom
>
>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with the
>>UPF
>> functions to ensure coverage?
>>
>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>
>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>
>> )?
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Lyle
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
<sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
> Tom:
>
>> ILA is not NAT! :-)
>
> As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the functio=
n
> that is needed at two places where you do translation of the addresses
> from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and you have a
> mapping state similar to NAT state. That=C2=B9s a NAT :-)
>
I prefer term transformation :-) But in any case, this is definitely
not stateful NAT and because the transformations are paired ILA does
not have the issues that are typically associated with NAT.

Tom

>
> Sri
>
> On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert" <dmm-bounces@ietf.org
> on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com> wrote=
:
>>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
>>>would ask
>>> a couple of simple questions which I hope have already been addressed i=
n
>>> previous e-mails:
>>>
>>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.
>>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
>>>incorrect
>>> or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one do any
>>>policy in
>>> those figures?
>>>
>>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is unclear
>>>how
>>> policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state the proposed ILA
>>> design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is noted that not all
>>>functions
>>> are supported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful
>>>intercept,
>>> etc.. is supported at all.  Will this be section be updated?
>>>
>>Hi Lyle,
>>
>>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
>>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
>>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
>>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
>>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
>>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with the
>>>UPF
>>> functions to ensure coverage?
>>>
>>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>>
>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>>
>>> )?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Lyle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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What about naming it nicely locator re-writing? Which is what it does and c=
ommunity reacts differently
on certain terms such as NAT..

marco

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But, in any case, NAT is not such a bad word, its just that it pushed IPv6 =
deployments out by 20 years.

Sri

On 3/20/18, 4:37 AM, "dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)"
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>Tom:
>
>> ILA is not NAT! :-)
>
>As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the=20
>function that is needed at two places where you do translation of the=20
>addresses from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and=20
>you have a mapping state similar to NAT state. That=B9s a NAT :-)
>
>
>Sri
>
>On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert"=20
><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I=20
>>>would ask  a couple of simple questions which I hope have already=20
>>>been addressed in  previous e-mails:
>>>
>>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.
>>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15=20
>>>incorrect  or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one=20
>>>do any policy in  those figures?
>>>
>>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is=20
>>>unclear how  policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state=20
>>>the proposed ILA  design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is=20
>>>noted that not all functions  are supported at a specific UPF it is=20
>>>unclear that policy, lawful intercept,  etc.. is supported at all. =20
>>>Will this be section be updated?
>>>
>>Hi Lyle,
>>
>>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is=20
>>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees=20
>>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient=20
>>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional=20
>>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers=20
>>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with=20
>>>the UPF  functions to ensure coverage?
>>>
>>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>>
>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>>
>>> )?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Lyle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <
sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:

> >  [KB] I will let Sri answer this.
>
> Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.
>
>


> If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if
> this work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document should
> include all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem statement
> on user-pane optimization.
>


> At this point, its an individual I-D and it is up to the authors on what
> to include, or what to exclude.
>
>
Right.

I think that 3GPP Study Item related drafts (there is also  Homma draft,
all ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and 5G work) are better
stay as purpose specific individual drafts.

Otherwise including them to dmm charter, a rechartering of such a scale I
believe should require a BoF.

My three cents :-)

Regards,
Behcet

> Sri
>
>
> From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bogineni, Kalyani" <
> Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWireless.com>
> Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:14 AM
> To: Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>, dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
> Subject: Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-m
> obile-user-plane-00
>
> Will MFA be proposed as an option
> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00 [KB] I will let Sri answer this.
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te">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">sgunda=
ve@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
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will let Sri answer this.</span></div>
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<div>Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.</div=
>
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<div>If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if=
 this work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document shoul=
d include all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem stateme=
nt on user-pane optimization. </div></div></blockquote><div>=C2=A0</div><bl=
ockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #=
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erif"><div>At
 this point, its an individual I-D and it is up to the authors on what to i=
nclude, or what to exclude.</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Right.</div><div><br>=
</div><div>I think that 3GPP Study Item related drafts (there is also =C2=
=A0Homma draft, all ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and 5G work) are better=C2=
=A0</div><div>stay as purpose specific individual drafts.</div><div><br></d=
iv><div>Otherwise including them to dmm charter, a rechartering of such a s=
cale I believe should require a BoF.</div><div><br></div><div>My three cent=
s :-)</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Behcet</div><blockquote c=
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<div>Sri</div>
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rizonWireless.com" target=3D"_blank">Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWirel<wbr>ess.=
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Not sure I agree Behcet. Generally, the distributed mobility management cha=
rter does cover optimizations in user-plane and control plane. But, for now=
, lets not discuss if this is in scope for this WG, or not. Lets focus on t=
echnical discussions.

Sri


From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com<mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com=
>>
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mailto:sarikaya@ieee.org>>
Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:43 AM
To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>>
Cc: "Bogineni, Kalyani" <Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com<mailto:Kalyan=
i.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com>>, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com<mailto:=
lyleb551144@gmail.com>>, dmm <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-0=
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco=
.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>> wrote:
>  [KB] I will let Sri answer this.

Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.



If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if this=
 work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document should inc=
lude all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem statement on=
 user-pane optimization.

At this point, its an individual I-D and it is up to the authors on what to=
 include, or what to exclude.


Right.

I think that 3GPP Study Item related drafts (there is also  Homma draft, al=
l ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and 5G work) are better
stay as purpose specific individual drafts.

Otherwise including them to dmm charter, a rechartering of such a scale I b=
elieve should require a BoF.

My three cents :-)

Regards,
Behcet
Sri


From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of =
"Bogineni, Kalyani" <Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWireless.com<mailto:Kalyani.Bo=
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Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:14 AM
To: Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com<mailto:lyleb551144@gmail.com>>, dmm <=
dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-0=
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Will MFA be proposed as an option
draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
[KB] I will let Sri answer this.


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<div>Not sure I agree Behcet. Generally, the distributed mobility managemen=
t charter does cover optimizations in user-plane and control plane. But, fo=
r now, lets not discuss if this is in scope for this WG, or not. Lets focus=
 on technical discussions.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Sri</div>
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Behcet Sarikaya &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com">sarikaya2012@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
arikaya@ieee.org">sarikaya@ieee.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sarikay=
a@ieee.org">sarikaya@ieee.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:=
43 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sgundave@cisco.com">sgundave@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;Bogineni, Kalyani&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com">Kalyani.Bogineni=
@verizonwireless.com</a>&gt;, Lyle Bertz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lyleb551144@=
gmail.com">lyleb551144@gmail.com</a>&gt;, dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@iet=
f.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bo=
gineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-00<br>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri Gundavelli=
 (sgundave)
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">sgundave@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div>&gt; &nbsp;<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">[KB] I =
will let Sri answer this.</span></div>
<div><br>
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<div>Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.</div=
>
<div><br>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div></div>
<div>If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if=
 this work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document shoul=
d include all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem stateme=
nt on user-pane optimization.
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div>At this point, its an individual I-D and it is up to the authors on wh=
at to include, or what to exclude.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Right.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think that 3GPP Study Item related drafts (there is also &nbsp;Homma=
 draft, all ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and 5G work) are better&nbsp;</div>
<div>stay as purpose specific individual drafts.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Otherwise including them to dmm charter, a rechartering of such a scal=
e I believe should require a BoF.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My three cents :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Behcet</div>
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x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>Sri</div>
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dium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm=
-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf=
 of &quot;Bogineni, Kalyani&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kalyani.Bogineni@Ve=
rizonWireless.com" target=3D"_blank">Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWirel<wbr>ess.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:=
14 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Lyle Bertz &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:lyleb551144@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lyleb551144@gmail.com</a>&gt;, d=
mm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ietf.org</a>&g=
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From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2018 11:50:45 +0000
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <
sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:

> Not sure I agree Behcet. Generally, the distributed mobility management
> charter does cover optimizations in user-plane and control plane. But, for
> now, lets not discuss if this is in scope for this WG, or not. Lets focus
> on technical discussions.
>
>
I know it is procedural.
But it keeps coming up.
I was just reacting to your own mail,
you mentioned that all those drafts are individual.
I think it would help dmm people to see the full perspective.

Regards,
Behcet

> Sri
>
>
> From: Behcet Sarikaya <sarikaya2012@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "sarikaya@ieee.org" <sarikaya@ieee.org>
> Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:43 AM
> To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com>
> Cc: "Bogineni, Kalyani" <Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com>, Lyle
> Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>, dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
>
> Subject: Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-
> mobile-user-plane-00
>
>
>
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <
> sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>> >  [KB] I will let Sri answer this.
>>
>> Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.
>>
>>
>
>
>> If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if
>> this work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document should
>> include all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem statement
>> on user-pane optimization.
>>
>
>
>> At this point, its an individual I-D and it is up to the authors on what
>> to include, or what to exclude.
>>
>>
> Right.
>
> I think that 3GPP Study Item related drafts (there is also  Homma draft,
> all ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and 5G work) are better
> stay as purpose specific individual drafts.
>
> Otherwise including them to dmm charter, a rechartering of such a scale I
> believe should require a BoF.
>
> My three cents :-)
>
> Regards,
> Behcet
>
>> Sri
>>
>>
>> From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of "Bogineni, Kalyani" <
>> Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWireless.com>
>> Date: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:14 AM
>> To: Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>, dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-m
>> obile-user-plane-00
>>
>> Will MFA be proposed as an option
>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00 [KB] I will let Sri answer this.
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">sgunda=
ve@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" sty=
le=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">



<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div>Not sure I agree Behcet. Generally, the distributed mobility managemen=
t charter does cover optimizations in user-plane and control plane. But, fo=
r now, lets not discuss if this is in scope for this WG, or not. Lets focus=
 on technical discussions.</div>
<div><br></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I know it is procedur=
al.</div><div>But it keeps coming up.</div><div>I was just reacting to your=
 own mail,=C2=A0</div><div>you mentioned that all those drafts are individu=
al.</div><div>I think it would help dmm people to see the full perspective.=
</div><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Behcet=C2=A0</div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid=
;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-whit=
e-space;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"><di=
v>
</div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id=3D"m_-1128210890987410015OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:blac=
k;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADD=
ING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:me=
dium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>Behcet Sarikaya &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sarikaya2012@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">sarikaya2012@gmail.com=
</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Reply-To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:s=
arikaya@ieee.org" target=3D"_blank">sarikaya@ieee.org</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:sarikaya@ieee.org" target=3D"_blank">sarikaya@ieee.org</a>&gt;<b=
r>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:=
43 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:sgundave@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">sgundave@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Cc: </span>&quot;Bogineni, Kalyani&quot; &=
lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com" target=3D"_blank=
">Kalyani.Bogineni@<wbr>verizonwireless.com</a>&gt;, Lyle Bertz &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:lyleb551144@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lyleb551144@gmail.com</=
a>&gt;, dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ietf.=
org</a>&gt;<div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bo=
gineni-dmm-optimized-<wbr>mobile-user-plane-00<br>
</div></div></div><div><div class=3D"h5">
<div><br>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri Gundavelli=
 (sgundave)
<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">sgundave@cisco.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div>&gt; =C2=A0<span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-size:11pt">[KB] I =
will let Sri answer this.</span></div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.</div=
>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div></div>
<div>If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if=
 this work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document shoul=
d include all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem stateme=
nt on user-pane optimization.
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div>At this point, its an individual I-D and it is up to the authors on wh=
at to include, or what to exclude.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Right.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think that 3GPP Study Item related drafts (there is also =C2=A0Homma=
 draft, all ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and 5G work) are better=C2=A0</div>
<div>stay as purpose specific individual drafts.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Otherwise including them to dmm charter, a rechartering of such a scal=
e I believe should require a BoF.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>My three cents :-)</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Regards,</div>
<div>Behcet</div>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space;color:rgb(0=
,0,0);font-size:14px;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">
<div></div>
<div>Sri</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span id=3D"m_-1128210890987410015m_-5530931468408036681m_-8323964358903008=
834m_6587921186948505834OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
<div style=3D"font-family:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:blac=
k;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium none;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADD=
ING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIGHT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:me=
dium none;PADDING-TOP:3pt">
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">From: </span>dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm=
-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf=
 of &quot;Bogineni, Kalyani&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kalyani.Bogineni@Ve=
rizonWireless.com" target=3D"_blank">Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWirel<wbr>ess.=
com</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:=
14 AM<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>Lyle Bertz &lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:lyleb551144@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">lyleb551144@gmail.com</a>&gt;, d=
mm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ietf.org</a>&g=
t;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bo=
gineni-dmm-optimized-m<wbr>obile-user-plane-00<br>
</div>
<span>
<div><br>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font=
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ign:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spaci=
ng:0px">
Will MFA be proposed as an option<span class=3D"m_-1128210890987410015m_-55=
30931468408036681m_-8323964358903008834m_6587921186948505834m78974981812424=
72094gmail-h1"><b><span style=3D"font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:=
black"><u></u><u></u></span></b></span></p>
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<h1 style=3D"margin-right:0in;margin-left:0in;font-size:24pt;font-family:&q=
uot;Times New Roman&quot;,serif;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-style:normal;font-var=
iant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;tex=
t-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck">draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00</span><span style=3D"font-size:12pt;font-fa=
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<span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,7=
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span></h1>
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My questions are if must describe these concepts in a training class to a
group of network operations personnel:
1. What term would the conversation devolve to?
2. What would one say to distinguish it from NAT in a manner that is
acceptable to the trainees in the class (you've answered that Tom)?
3. Do we actually lose a lot of time by picking terminology that sounds
distinct but in reality could have been efficiently expressed using other /
less words?

I would make a slight correction to Sri's statement about NAT being not so
bad.  Generally that is correct but Carrier Grade NAT is not always
favorable for various reasons beyond the IPv6 push out.


On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:

> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
> > Tom:
> >
> >> ILA is not NAT! :-)
> >
> > As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the
> function
> > that is needed at two places where you do translation of the addresses
> > from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and you have =
a
> > mapping state similar to NAT state. That=C2=B9s a NAT :-)
> >
> I prefer term transformation :-) But in any case, this is definitely
> not stateful NAT and because the transformations are paired ILA does
> not have the issues that are typically associated with NAT.
>
> Tom
>
> >
> > Sri
> >
> > On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert" <
> dmm-bounces@ietf.org
> > on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
> >>>would ask
> >>> a couple of simple questions which I hope have already been addressed
> in
> >>> previous e-mails:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF=
.
> >>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
> >>>incorrect
> >>> or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one do any
> >>>policy in
> >>> those figures?
> >>>
> >>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is unclear
> >>>how
> >>> policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state the proposed I=
LA
> >>> design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is noted that not all
> >>>functions
> >>> are supported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, lawful
> >>>intercept,
> >>> etc.. is supported at all.  Will this be section be updated?
> >>>
> >>Hi Lyle,
> >>
> >>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
> >>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
> >>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
> >>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
> >>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
> >>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
> >>
> >>Tom
> >>
> >>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with t=
he
> >>>UPF
> >>> functions to ensure coverage?
> >>>
> >>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
> >>>
> >>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
> >>>
> >>> )?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks!
> >>>
> >>> Lyle
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">My questions are if must describe these concepts in a trai=
ning class to a group of network operations personnel:<div>1. What term wou=
ld the conversation devolve to?</div><div>2. What would one say to distingu=
ish it from NAT in a manner that is acceptable to the trainees in the class=
 (you&#39;ve answered that Tom)?</div><div>3. Do we actually lose a lot of =
time by picking terminology that sounds distinct but in reality could have =
been efficiently expressed using other / less words?</div><div><br></div><d=
iv>I would make a slight correction to Sri&#39;s statement about NAT being =
not so bad.=C2=A0 Generally that is correct but Carrier Grade NAT is not al=
ways favorable for various reasons beyond the IPv6 push out.</div><div><br>=
</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tu=
e, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Tom Herbert <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:tom@quantonium.net" target=3D"_blank">tom@quantonium.net</a>&gt;</spa=
n> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;b=
order-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class=3D"">On Tue, Mar 20=
, 2018 at 4:37 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com">sgundave@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br>
&gt; Tom:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt; ILA is not NAT! :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the func=
tion<br>
&gt; that is needed at two places where you do translation of the addresses=
<br>
&gt; from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and you have=
 a<br>
&gt; mapping state similar to NAT state. That=C2=B9s a NAT :-)<br>
&gt;<br>
</span>I prefer term transformation :-) But in any case, this is definitely=
<br>
not stateful NAT and because the transformations are paired ILA does<br>
not have the issues that are typically associated with NAT.<br>
<span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font color=3D"#888888"><br>
Tom<br>
</font></span><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; Sri<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, &quot;dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert&quot; &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt; on behalf of <a href=3D"mailto:tom@quantonium.net">tom@quantonium.net<=
/a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:l=
yleb551144@gmail.com">lyleb551144@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; We&#39;ll be quite time constrained during this session so I t=
hought I<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;would ask<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; a couple of simple questions which I hope have already been ad=
dressed in<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; previous e-mails:<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; 1. Figures 14 &amp; 15 are described as options and do not inc=
lude an SMF.<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; However, Figures 16 &amp; 17 do.=C2=A0 It is a bit confusing.=
=C2=A0 Are 14 &amp; 15<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;incorrect<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; or is an option to skip the SMF?=C2=A0 If correct, how does on=
e do any<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;policy in<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; those figures?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; 2.=C2=A0 ILA appears to be super NAT&#39;g (more than 1 NAT) b=
ut it is unclear<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;how<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; policy works.=C2=A0 I am not sure that in its current state th=
e proposed ILA<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; design addresses in Section 3.=C2=A0 Although it is noted that=
 not all<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;functions<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; are supported at a specific UPF it is unclear that policy, law=
ful<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;intercept,<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; etc.. is supported at all.=C2=A0 Will this be section be updat=
ed?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Hi Lyle,<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is=
<br>
&gt;&gt;always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees<b=
r>
&gt;&gt;original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient<br>
&gt;&gt;mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional<b=
r>
&gt;&gt;functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers=
<br>
&gt;&gt;independent of the actual overlay mechanism.<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;Tom<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution=
 with the<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;UPF<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; functions to ensure coverage?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; 4.=C2=A0 Will MFA be proposed as an option (<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; )?<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Thanks!<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; Lyle<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; dmm mailing list<br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt; <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm" rel=3D"n=
oreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/<wbr>listinfo/dmm=
</a><br>
&gt;&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;____________________________<wbr>___________________<br>
&gt;&gt;dmm mailing list<br>
&gt;&gt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
&gt;&gt;<a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/dmm</a><=
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ILA-NAT-GW, or Locator-Rewrite Function ,,,should all work I guess.

Sri




On 3/20/18, 4:42 AM, "Marco Liebsch" <Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu> wrote:

>What about naming it nicely locator re-writing? Which is what it does and
>community reacts differently
>on certain terms such as NAT..
>
>marco
>
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>
>But, in any case, NAT is not such a bad word, its just that it pushed
>IPv6 deployments out by 20 years.
>
>Sri
>
>On 3/20/18, 4:37 AM, "dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)"
><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>
>>Tom:
>>
>>> ILA is not NAT! :-)
>>
>>As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the
>>function that is needed at two places where you do translation of the
>>addresses from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and
>>you have a mapping state similar to NAT state. That=B9s a NAT :-)
>>
>>
>>Sri
>>
>>On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert"
>><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
>>>>would ask  a couple of simple questions which I hope have already
>>>>been addressed in  previous e-mails:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.
>>>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
>>>>incorrect  or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one
>>>>do any policy in  those figures?
>>>>
>>>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is
>>>>unclear how  policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state
>>>>the proposed ILA  design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is
>>>>noted that not all functions  are supported at a specific UPF it is
>>>>unclear that policy, lawful intercept,  etc.. is supported at all.
>>>>Will this be section be updated?
>>>>
>>>Hi Lyle,
>>>
>>>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
>>>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
>>>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
>>>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
>>>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
>>>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>>>
>>>Tom
>>>
>>>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with
>>>>the UPF  functions to ensure coverage?
>>>>
>>>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>>>
>>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>>>
>>>> )?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Lyle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Thanks authors,

Actually this draft sounds interesting for me. Some points for that are =
following:

1. Utilizing existing control plane for distributed mobility functions.
2. Those mobility functions could be programmed through some interface, =
i.e: FPC
3. I=E2=80=99d see some similarity with MFA ideas.
4. SRv6 could be user plane protocol with the control plane protocol.

One question here is that whether the authors are interested in User =
Plane white paper which Kalyani lead files this solution.

Cheers,
--satoru

> 2018/03/06 22:17=E3=80=81Carlos Jes=C3=BAs Bernardos Cano =
<cjbc@it.uc3m.es>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
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> Hi,
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> We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
> comments we got in Singapore:
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> - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
> deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment received
> from Sri).
> - Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
> (addressing a comment received from Danny).
>=20
> Additionally, we added some terminology from =
draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-
> models and other minor changes.
>=20
> In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
> request feedback/reviews from the WG.
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> Thanks!
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> =E5=B7=AE=E5=87=BA=E4=BA=BA: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> =E4=BB=B6=E5=90=8D: I-D Action: draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
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> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
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>        Title           : Proxy Mobile IPv6 extensions for Distributed =
Mobility Management
>        Authors         : Carlos J. Bernardos
>                          Antonio de la Oliva
>                          Fabio Giust
>                          Juan Carlos Zuniga
>                          Alain Mourad
> 	Filename        : draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
> 	Pages           : 32
> 	Date            : 2018-03-02
>=20
> Abstract:
>   Distributed Mobility Management solutions allow for setting up
>   networks so that traffic is distributed in an optimal way and does
>   not rely on centralized deployed anchors to provide IP mobility
>   support.
>=20
>   There are many different approaches to address Distributed Mobility
>   Management, as for example extending network-based mobility =
protocols
>   (like Proxy Mobile IPv6), or client-based mobility protocols (as
>   Mobile IPv6), among others.  This document follows the former
>   approach, and proposes a solution based on Proxy Mobile IPv6 in =
which
>   mobility sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router (called
>   mobility anchor and access router).  The mobility anchor and access
>   router is an enhanced access router which is also able to operate as
>   local mobility anchor or mobility access gateway, on a per prefix
>   basis.  The document focuses on the required extensions to
>   effectively support simultaneously anchoring several flows at
>   different distributed gateways.
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>   This document introduces the concept of distributed logical
>   interface, which is a software construct that allows to easily hide
>   the change of anchor from the mobile node.
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I agree with Sri. However the aim is to have the WG to reference this draft=
 as part of the response back to 3GPP.
Different contenders are welcomed to participate and provide analysis and c=
omparsion.

Arashmid

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Not sure I agree Behcet. Generally, the distributed mobility management cha=
rter does cover optimizations in user-plane and control plane. But, for now=
, lets not discuss if this is in scope for this WG, or not. Lets focus on t=
echnical discussions.

Sri


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To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>>
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco=
.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>> wrote:
>  [KB] I will let Sri answer this.

Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I will make a general comment.



If there is consensus to adopt draft-bogineni as a WG document, and if this=
 work becomes part of the WG charter, I would think the document should inc=
lude all IETF proposals under discussion for the given problem statement on=
 user-pane optimization.

At this point, its an individual I-D and it is up to the authors on what to=
 include, or what to exclude.


Right.

I think that 3GPP Study Item related drafts (there is also  Homma draft, al=
l ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and 5G work) are better
stay as purpose specific individual drafts.

Otherwise including them to dmm charter, a rechartering of such a scale I b=
elieve should require a BoF.

My three cents :-)

Regards,
Behcet
Sri


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"Bogineni, Kalyani" <Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWireless.com<mailto:Kalyani.Bo=
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dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-0=
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Will MFA be proposed as an option
draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
[KB] I will let Sri answer this.



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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I agree with Sri. However the aim is =
to have the WG to reference this draft as part of the response back to 3GPP=
.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Different contenders are welcomed to =
participate and provide analysis and comparsion.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Arashmid<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.o=
rg]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 20, 2018 7:48 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> sarikaya@ieee.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> dmm &lt;dmm@ietf.org&gt;<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-=
plane-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Not sure I agree Behcet. Generally, the=
 distributed mobility management charter does cover optimizations in user-p=
lane and control plane. But, for now, lets not
 discuss if this is in scope for this WG, or not. Lets focus on technical d=
iscussions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">Behcet Sarikaya &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sarikaya2012@=
gmail.com">sarikaya2012@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Reply-To: </b>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:sarikaya@ieee.org">sarikaya@ieee.o=
rg</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sarikaya@ieee.org">sarikaya@ieee.org</a>=
&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:43 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com">sgundav=
e@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Cc: </b>&quot;Bogineni, Kalyani&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kalyani.Bogi=
neni@verizonwireless.com">Kalyani.Bogineni@verizonwireless.com</a>&gt;, Lyl=
e Bertz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lyleb551144@gmail.com">lyleb551144@gmail.com<=
/a>&gt;, dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-=
plane-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 11:28 AM, Sri G=
undavelli (sgundave) &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com" target=3D"_b=
lank">sgundave@cisco.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&gt; &nbsp;</span><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[KB] I=
 will let Sri answer this.</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-famil=
y:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Nothing specific to MFA draft, but I wi=
ll make a general comment.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">If there is consensus to adopt draft-bo=
gineni as a WG document, and if this work becomes part of the WG charter, I=
 would think the document should include all IETF
 proposals under discussion for the given problem statement on user-pane op=
timization.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">At this point, its an individual I-D an=
d it is up to the authors on what to include, or what to exclude.<o:p></o:p=
></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
</blockquote>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Right.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">I think that 3GPP Study Item related dr=
afts (there is also &nbsp;Homma draft, all ILA, LISP etc ID-Loc drafts and =
5G work) are better&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">stay as purpose specific individual dra=
fts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Otherwise including them to dmm charter=
, a rechartering of such a scale I believe should require a BoF.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">My three cents :-)<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Behcet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0i=
n 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org" tar=
get=3D"_blank">dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of &quot;Bogineni, Ka=
lyani&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWireless.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">Kalyani.Bogineni@VerizonWireless.com</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, March 20, 2018 at 3:14 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Lyle Bertz &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lyleb551144@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">lyleb551144@gmail.com</a>&gt;, dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ie=
tf.org" target=3D"_blank">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [DMM] [E] Re: draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-=
plane-00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;w=
ord-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"color:black">Will MFA be proposed as an option<o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p>
<h1 style=3D"font-variant-caps:normal;text-align:start;word-spacing:0px"><s=
pan style=3D"font-size:12.0pt;font-family:&quot;Courier New&quot;;color:bla=
ck">draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:=
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d-spacing:0px">
<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;=
color:#1F497D;font-weight:normal">[KB] I will let Sri answer this.</span><s=
pan style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></h1>
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Hi,

I update the draft with some minor editorial fixes, mainly to the pseudo co=
de part. These are mainly breaking long lines so that they do not exceed th=
e 72nd column.

You can continue addressing draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-13 for WGLC re=
view - there are no other modifications.

Thanks and regards,
Danny

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I did not get to ask but I know your presentation talks about IPv6 but is
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Yes , supports IPv4 PDU with minimum effort.

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BTW 5G Rel-15 doesn=E2=80=99t support IPv4v6 type session. But Docomo is =
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I don=E2=80=99t know why.=20

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How? Please summarize in one sentence and don=E2=80=99t me to a draft.

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> On Mar 20, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Satoru Matsushima =
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> Yes , supports IPv4 PDU with minimum effort.
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Next header type maybe?
Interestingly GTP-U doesn=E2=80=99t have it.

Sent from my iPhone

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> How? Please summarize in one sentence and don=E2=80=99t me to a draft.
>=20
> Dino
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>> On Mar 20, 2018, at 10:24 AM, Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.=
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>> Yes , supports IPv4 PDU with minimum effort.
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>> I did not get to ask but I know your presentation talks about IPv6 but i=
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That sounds like you want to do IPv4 over IPv6. Do you think carriers will b=
uild an IPv6-only NGC at this point in time?

Dino

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> Next header type maybe?
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>> Dino
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>>> Yes , supports IPv4 PDU with minimum effort.
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In my opinion the study should compare SRv6 solution which was why this
study item was created in the first place with the protocol(s) dmm group
developed which would be logical since the work is taking place in dmm?

I looked at dmm web site and in its 8 year history, there seems to be no
new "protocol" defined so far. However the main idea with dmm was to work
on distributing the mobility anchor which was HA or LMA in previous efforts.

I noticed that when you look into 5G architecture, 3GPP already adopted
this idea and developed a good solution based on GTP-U. In 4G there was a
fixed anchor called PGW and now in 5G there are distributed anchors called
UPFs. So here we do have a protocol which we can call dmm protocol.

IMHO, the study should compare SRv6 with GTP-U and that is probably going
to serve 3GPP purposes as well as other parties.

Regards,
Behcet

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<div dir=3D"ltr">In my opinion the study should compare SRv6 solution which=
 was why this study item was created in the first place with the protocol(s=
) dmm group developed which would be logical since the work is taking place=
 in dmm?<div><br></div><div>I looked at dmm web site and in its 8 year hist=
ory, there seems to be no new &quot;protocol&quot; defined so far. However =
the main idea with dmm was to work on distributing the mobility anchor whic=
h was HA or LMA in previous efforts.</div><div><br></div><div>I noticed tha=
t when you look into 5G architecture, 3GPP already adopted this idea and de=
veloped a good solution based on GTP-U. In 4G there was a fixed anchor call=
ed PGW and now in 5G there are distributed anchors called UPFs. So here we =
do have a protocol which we can call dmm protocol.</div><div><br></div><div=
>IMHO, the study should compare SRv6 with GTP-U and that is probably going =
to serve 3GPP purposes as well as other parties.</div><div><br></div><div>R=
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Hi Satoru,

Thanks a lot for the feedback. I think exploring SRv6 as user plane
protocol is a very valid point.

Regarding the white paper Kalyani leads, I'm definitely interested.

Thanks,

Carlos

On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 15:02 +0000, Satoru Matsushima wrote:
> Thanks authors,
> 
> Actually this draft sounds interesting for me. Some points for that
> are following:
> 
> 1. Utilizing existing control plane for distributed mobility
> functions.
> 2. Those mobility functions could be programmed through some
> interface, i.e: FPC
> 3. I’d see some similarity with MFA ideas.
> 4. SRv6 could be user plane protocol with the control plane protocol.
> 
> One question here is that whether the authors are interested in User
> Plane white paper which Kalyani lead files this solution.
> 
> Cheers,
> --satoru
> 
> > 2018/03/06 22:17、Carlos Jesús Bernardos Cano <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>のメール:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > We have submitted a revised version of our draft addressing the
> > comments we got in Singapore:
> > 
> > - Added some statements about which model from draft-ietf-dmm-
> > deployment-models our solution follows (addressing a comment
> > received
> > from Sri).
> > - Added some text relating to draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility
> > (addressing a comment received from Danny).
> > 
> > Additionally, we added some terminology from draft-ietf-dmm-
> > deployment-
> > models and other minor changes.
> > 
> > In Singapore we got quite good support of the document. I'd like to
> > request feedback/reviews from the WG.
> > 
> > Thanks!
> > 
> > Carlos
> > 
> > 差出人: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > 件名: I-D Action: draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
> > 日付: 2018年3月2日 17:16:29 GMT
> > 宛先: <i-d-announce@ietf.org>
> > 返信先: internet-drafts@ietf.org
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
> > directories.
> > 
> > 
> >        Title           : Proxy Mobile IPv6 extensions for
> > Distributed Mobility Management
> >        Authors         : Carlos J. Bernardos
> >                          Antonio de la Oliva
> >                          Fabio Giust
> >                          Juan Carlos Zuniga
> >                          Alain Mourad
> > 	Filename        : draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01.txt
> > 	Pages           : 32
> > 	Date            : 2018-03-02
> > 
> > Abstract:
> >   Distributed Mobility Management solutions allow for setting up
> >   networks so that traffic is distributed in an optimal way and
> > does
> >   not rely on centralized deployed anchors to provide IP mobility
> >   support.
> > 
> >   There are many different approaches to address Distributed
> > Mobility
> >   Management, as for example extending network-based mobility
> > protocols
> >   (like Proxy Mobile IPv6), or client-based mobility protocols (as
> >   Mobile IPv6), among others.  This document follows the former
> >   approach, and proposes a solution based on Proxy Mobile IPv6 in
> > which
> >   mobility sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router (called
> >   mobility anchor and access router).  The mobility anchor and
> > access
> >   router is an enhanced access router which is also able to operate
> > as
> >   local mobility anchor or mobility access gateway, on a per prefix
> >   basis.  The document focuses on the required extensions to
> >   effectively support simultaneously anchoring several flows at
> >   different distributed gateways.
> > 
> >   This document introduces the concept of distributed logical
> >   interface, which is a software construct that allows to easily
> > hide
> >   the change of anchor from the mobile node.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif/
> > 
> > There are also htmlized versions available at:
> > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01
> > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dl
> > if-01
> > 
> > A diff from the previous version is available at:
> > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-0
> > 1
> > 
> > 
> > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of
> > submission
> > until the htmlized version and diff are available at
> > tools.ietf.org.
> > 
> > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
> > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > Internet-Draft directories: http://www.ietf.org/shadow.html
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> > 
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From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" <sgundave@cisco.com>
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FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!

We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
comment, if you see any mistakes.

Sri



On 3/21/18, 7:14 AM, "Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano" <cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrot=
e:

>Hi Sri,
>
>Please find my notes attached (they are drafty and I couldn't get some
>things). Hope they help.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Carlos
>
>On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 09:19 +0000, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote:
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Title: LS on indicating service continuity usage of the additional IPv6 prefix in Router Advertisement
Submission Date: 2018-03-22
URL of the IETF Web page: https://datatracker.ietf.org/liaison/1567/

From: Suresh Krishnan <suresh@kaloom.com>
To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com>,Dapeng Liu <maxpassion@gmail.com>,Terry Manderson <terry.manderson@icann.org>,Suresh Krishnan <suresh@kaloom.com>,Robert Hinden <bob.hinden@gmail.com>,Ole Troan <otroan@employees.org>
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Body: 1	Overall description

SA2 would like to thank the IETF DMM working group chairs for their LS reply on indicating the mobility property of the additional IPv6 prefix in Router Advertisement in S2-181481.

Regarding the following components in the IETF’s reply LS:
     1.) The approach of coloring IPv4 and IPv6 addresses/prefixes with mobility properties.
     3.) The approach of indicating the coloring meta-data to the applications on the mobile node (UE in 3GPP terminology).

SA2 has noted that both aspects are covered in the IETF DMM draft draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-13 and has also noted that it will be released soon as informational standard.

Regarding the following component in the IETF’s reply LS:
    2.) The approach of network including property meta-data in address assignment procedures

SA2 would like to point out that among the four mechanisms for address configuration delivery mentioned in your LS reply (i.e. DHCPv4, DHCPv6, IPv6 ND and IKEv2) only the IPv6 ND mechanisms, and in particular the Router Advertisement message, seem to be applicable in the 5G System architecture in the specific context of Multi-homed IPv6 PDU Sessions.


With respect to the following question in the IETF’s reply LS:
                We also like to point out that, all though the LS statement explicitly refers to both IPv4 and IPv6 address types, however it only mentions about (RA) (IPv6       
                ND implied) as the mechanism for address property delivery. It is to be noted that the approach of delivering coloring meta-data in RA messages will most  
                likely be to limited to IPv6 address/prefix types and will not be extended to IPv4 addresses. If this capability is required for IPv4, we may have to possibly         
                extend DHCP protocol(s).

                We request 3GPP to clarify if the Ask is explicitly for IPv6, or if its for both IPv4 and IPv6 address/prefix types.


SA2 would like to clarify that the request is explicitly for IPv6. SA2 discussed the example documents that were referenced in your LS reply and concluded that the following draft seems to be the most promising candidate for the problem under discussion in this correspondence: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-feng-dmm-ra-prefixtype-01.txt.
SA2 would like to kindly ask IETF DMM working group to keep SA2 updated of the work on the subject of including property meta-data in IPv6 ND address assignment procedures for potential use in the 5G System to indicate the mobility property of additional IPv6 prefixes assigned as part of the Multi-homed IPv6 PDU Session functionality.


2	Actions
To IETF DMM working group:
    ACTION: SA2 would like to kindly ask IETF DMM working group to keep SA2 updated of the work on the subject of including property meta-data in IPv6 ND address assignment procedures for potential use in the 5G System to indicate the mobility property of additional IPv6 prefixes assigned as part of the Multi-homed IPv6 PDU Session functionality.


3	Dates of next TSG SA WG2 meetings
TSG SA WG2 Meeting 127	16 - 20 Apr 2018	Sanya, CN
TSG SA WG2 Meeting 127-Bis	28 May – 1 Jun 2018	Newport Beach, US
Attachments:

    S2-182967_was2844_LS_IETF_SSC3
    https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2018-03-22-3gpp-tsgsa-sa2-int-6man-dmm-ls-on-indicating-service-continuity-usage-of-the-additional-ipv6-prefix-in-router-advertisement-attachment-1.docx


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> Also, some proposals from the previous years, which may be related:
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> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mif-mpvd-ndp-support-03.txt
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mif-mpvd-id-02.txt

There's also the existing PvD work in int-area.

I think PvDs may work well for this...

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Yes, in the LS response that we sent to 3GPP on 2/16, we did cite the
below work.=20


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There are many proposals on this including:

https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-feng-dmm-ra-prefixtype-01.txt
https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-moses-dmm-dhcp-ondemand-mobility-08.txt

Also, some proposals from the previous years, which may be related:

https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mif-mpvd-ndp-support-03.txt
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mif-mpvd-id-02.txt
https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-bhandari-dhc-class-based-prefix-05.tx
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https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-kaiser-nd-pd-01

...



Sri




On 3/22/18, 6:10 PM, "Erik Kline" <ek@google.com> wrote:

>> Also, some proposals from the previous years, which may be related:
>>
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mif-mpvd-ndp-support-03.txt
>> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-ietf-mif-mpvd-id-02.txt
>
>There's also the existing PvD work in int-area.
>
>I think PvDs may work well for this...


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Le 22/03/2018 à 18:49, Liaison Statement Management Tool a écrit :
[...]

> SA2 would like to point out that among the four mechanisms for
> address configuration delivery mentioned in your LS reply (i.e.
> DHCPv4, DHCPv6, IPv6 ND and IKEv2) only the IPv6 ND mechanisms, and
> in particular the Router Advertisement message, seem to be applicable
> in the 5G System architecture in the specific context of Multi-homed
> IPv6 PDU Sessions.
Please tell SA2 that current 4G cellular networks are specified to, and
do use to some extent, DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation to assign a prefix to an
end node like an IoT Router.

A /56 prefix delivered to the end node should have the same capabilities
as an address. We also want that /56 prefix to be more stable, or less
stable, etc.

I dont understand why 5G System architecture excludes DHCPv6 from the 
list of applicable address configuration delivery.

I understand why 5G System architectures prefers ND - it is for addresses.

Alex

> 
> 
> With respect to the following question in the IETF’s reply LS:
>                  We also like to point out that, all though the LS statement explicitly refers to both IPv4 and IPv6 address types, however it only mentions about (RA) (IPv6
>                  ND implied) as the mechanism for address property delivery. It is to be noted that the approach of delivering coloring meta-data in RA messages will most
>                  likely be to limited to IPv6 address/prefix types and will not be extended to IPv4 addresses. If this capability is required for IPv4, we may have to possibly
>                  extend DHCP protocol(s).
> 
>                  We request 3GPP to clarify if the Ask is explicitly for IPv6, or if its for both IPv4 and IPv6 address/prefix types.
> 
> 
> SA2 would like to clarify that the request is explicitly for IPv6. SA2 discussed the example documents that were referenced in your LS reply and concluded that the following draft seems to be the most promising candidate for the problem under discussion in this correspondence: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-feng-dmm-ra-prefixtype-01.txt.
> SA2 would like to kindly ask IETF DMM working group to keep SA2 updated of the work on the subject of including property meta-data in IPv6 ND address assignment procedures for potential use in the 5G System to indicate the mobility property of additional IPv6 prefixes assigned as part of the Multi-homed IPv6 PDU Session functionality.
> 
> 
> 2	Actions
> To IETF DMM working group:
>      ACTION: SA2 would like to kindly ask IETF DMM working group to keep SA2 updated of the work on the subject of including property meta-data in IPv6 ND address assignment procedures for potential use in the 5G System to indicate the mobility property of additional IPv6 prefixes assigned as part of the Multi-homed IPv6 PDU Session functionality.
> 
> 
> 3	Dates of next TSG SA WG2 meetings
> TSG SA WG2 Meeting 127	16 - 20 Apr 2018	Sanya, CN
> TSG SA WG2 Meeting 127-Bis	28 May – 1 Jun 2018	Newport Beach, US
> Attachments:
> 
>      S2-182967_was2844_LS_IETF_SSC3
>      https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2018-03-22-3gpp-tsgsa-sa2-int-6man-dmm-ls-on-indicating-service-continuity-usage-of-the-additional-ipv6-prefix-in-router-advertisement-attachment-1.docx
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On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
<sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>
> ILA-NAT-GW, or Locator-Rewrite Function ,,,should all work I guess.
>
Sri,

I still like the term 'address transformation'. The difference between
transformation and translation is that no information is lost in
transformation (pointed out by Mark Smith on ila list) whereas
translations may be imperfect. A transformation is always reversible
and must be reversed before delivery to the final destination.

Tom

> Sri
>
>
>
>
> On 3/20/18, 4:42 AM, "Marco Liebsch" <Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu> wrote:
>
>>What about naming it nicely locator re-writing? Which is what it does and
>>community reacts differently
>>on certain terms such as NAT..
>>
>>marco
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>>(sgundave)
>>Sent: Dienstag, 20. M=C3=A4rz 2018 12:40
>>To: Tom Herbert; Lyle Bertz
>>Cc: dmm
>>Subject: Re: [DMM] draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-00
>>
>>But, in any case, NAT is not such a bad word, its just that it pushed
>>IPv6 deployments out by 20 years.
>>
>>Sri
>>
>>On 3/20/18, 4:37 AM, "dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)"
>><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Tom:
>>>
>>>> ILA is not NAT! :-)
>>>
>>>As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the
>>>function that is needed at two places where you do translation of the
>>>addresses from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and
>>>you have a mapping state similar to NAT state. That=C2=B9s a NAT :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>Sri
>>>
>>>On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert"
>>><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
>>>>>would ask  a couple of simple questions which I hope have already
>>>>>been addressed in  previous e-mails:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF=
.
>>>>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
>>>>>incorrect  or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one
>>>>>do any policy in  those figures?
>>>>>
>>>>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is
>>>>>unclear how  policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state
>>>>>the proposed ILA  design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is
>>>>>noted that not all functions  are supported at a specific UPF it is
>>>>>unclear that policy, lawful intercept,  etc.. is supported at all.
>>>>>Will this be section be updated?
>>>>>
>>>>Hi Lyle,
>>>>
>>>>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
>>>>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
>>>>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
>>>>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
>>>>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
>>>>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>>>>
>>>>Tom
>>>>
>>>>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with
>>>>>the UPF  functions to ensure coverage?
>>>>>
>>>>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>>>>
>>>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>>>>
>>>>> )?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> Lyle
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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If you want it to be direct, specific, and self documenting, I=E2=80=99d sug=
gest =E2=80=9CAddress Replacement Function=E2=80=9D. Then verbalize it by sa=
ying casually =E2=80=9CARFing the packet=E2=80=9D.=20

Dino

> On Mar 23, 2018, at 10:36 AM, Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>=20
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> ILA-NAT-GW, or Locator-Rewrite Function ,,,should all work I guess.
>>=20
> Sri,
>=20
> I still like the term 'address transformation'. The difference between
> transformation and translation is that no information is lost in
> transformation (pointed out by Mark Smith on ila list) whereas
> translations may be imperfect. A transformation is always reversible
> and must be reversed before delivery to the final destination.
>=20
> Tom
>=20
>> Sri
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On 3/20/18, 4:42 AM, "Marco Liebsch" <Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> What about naming it nicely locator re-writing? Which is what it does an=
d
>>> community reacts differently
>>> on certain terms such as NAT..
>>>=20
>>> marco
>>>=20
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>>> (sgundave)
>>> Sent: Dienstag, 20. M=C3=A4rz 2018 12:40
>>> To: Tom Herbert; Lyle Bertz
>>> Cc: dmm
>>> Subject: Re: [DMM] draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-00
>>>=20
>>> But, in any case, NAT is not such a bad word, its just that it pushed
>>> IPv6 deployments out by 20 years.
>>>=20
>>> Sri
>>>=20
>>> On 3/20/18, 4:37 AM, "dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)"
>>> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> Tom:
>>>>=20
>>>>> ILA is not NAT! :-)
>>>>=20
>>>> As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the
>>>> function that is needed at two places where you do translation of the
>>>> addresses from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and=

>>>> you have a mapping state similar to NAT state. That=C2=B9s a NAT :-)
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Sri
>>>>=20
>>>> On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert"
>>>> <dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>>>=20
>>>>> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
>>>>>> would ask  a couple of simple questions which I hope have already
>>>>>> been addressed in  previous e-mails:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an SMF.=

>>>>>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
>>>>>> incorrect  or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one=

>>>>>> do any policy in  those figures?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is
>>>>>> unclear how  policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state
>>>>>> the proposed ILA  design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is
>>>>>> noted that not all functions  are supported at a specific UPF it is
>>>>>> unclear that policy, lawful intercept,  etc.. is supported at all.
>>>>>> Will this be section be updated?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>> Hi Lyle,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
>>>>> always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
>>>>> original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
>>>>> mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
>>>>> functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
>>>>> independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with
>>>>>> the UPF  functions to ensure coverage?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> )?
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Lyle
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
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Alex:

This is a good point. Yes, there is DHCPv6 prefix delegation support in
3GPP architecture for supporting mobile router use-cases. This is
essentially for delegating prefixes for the networks attached to the UE.
This was introduced in Rel-10 by cisco. I have not followed the recent SA2
discussions and I do not know if MR support based on DHCPv6 will continue
to be supported or not, and if they have considered the alternative
options for supporting the same. I think we can certainly ask that
question, but I also wonder if the coloring is specific to the PDU
session, or if its broadly applicable for all UE address/prefix
assignments.=20


Sri




On 3/23/18, 2:48 AM, "dmm on behalf of Alexandre Petrescu"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of alexandre.petrescu@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Le 22/03/2018 =E0 18:49, Liaison Statement Management Tool a =E9crit :
>[...]
>
>> SA2 would like to point out that among the four mechanisms for
>> address configuration delivery mentioned in your LS reply (i.e.
>> DHCPv4, DHCPv6, IPv6 ND and IKEv2) only the IPv6 ND mechanisms, and
>> in particular the Router Advertisement message, seem to be applicable
>> in the 5G System architecture in the specific context of Multi-homed
>> IPv6 PDU Sessions.
>Please tell SA2 that current 4G cellular networks are specified to, and
>do use to some extent, DHCPv6 Prefix Delegation to assign a prefix to an
>end node like an IoT Router.
>
>A /56 prefix delivered to the end node should have the same capabilities
>as an address. We also want that /56 prefix to be more stable, or less
>stable, etc.
>
>I dont understand why 5G System architecture excludes DHCPv6 from the
>list of applicable address configuration delivery.
>
>I understand why 5G System architectures prefers ND - it is for addresses.
>
>Alex
>
>>=20
>>=20
>> With respect to the following question in the IETF=B9s reply LS:
>>                  We also like to point out that, all though the LS
>>statement explicitly refers to both IPv4 and IPv6 address types, however
>>it only mentions about (RA) (IPv6
>>                  ND implied) as the mechanism for address property
>>delivery. It is to be noted that the approach of delivering coloring
>>meta-data in RA messages will most
>>                  likely be to limited to IPv6 address/prefix types and
>>will not be extended to IPv4 addresses. If this capability is required
>>for IPv4, we may have to possibly
>>                  extend DHCP protocol(s).
>>=20
>>                  We request 3GPP to clarify if the Ask is explicitly
>>for IPv6, or if its for both IPv4 and IPv6 address/prefix types.
>>=20
>>=20
>> SA2 would like to clarify that the request is explicitly for IPv6. SA2
>>discussed the example documents that were referenced in your LS reply
>>and concluded that the following draft seems to be the most promising
>>candidate for the problem under discussion in this correspondence:
>>https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-feng-dmm-ra-prefixtype-01.txt.
>> SA2 would like to kindly ask IETF DMM working group to keep SA2 updated
>>of the work on the subject of including property meta-data in IPv6 ND
>>address assignment procedures for potential use in the 5G System to
>>indicate the mobility property of additional IPv6 prefixes assigned as
>>part of the Multi-homed IPv6 PDU Session functionality.
>>=20
>>=20
>> 2	Actions
>> To IETF DMM working group:
>>      ACTION: SA2 would like to kindly ask IETF DMM working group to
>>keep SA2 updated of the work on the subject of including property
>>meta-data in IPv6 ND address assignment procedures for potential use in
>>the 5G System to indicate the mobility property of additional IPv6
>>prefixes assigned as part of the Multi-homed IPv6 PDU Session
>>functionality.
>>=20
>>=20
>> 3	Dates of next TSG SA WG2 meetings
>> TSG SA WG2 Meeting 127	16 - 20 Apr 2018	Sanya, CN
>> TSG SA WG2 Meeting 127-Bis	28 May =AD 1 Jun 2018	Newport Beach, US
>> Attachments:
>>=20
>>      S2-182967_was2844_LS_IETF_SSC3
>>     =20
>>https://www.ietf.org/lib/dt/documents/LIAISON/liaison-2018-03-22-3gpp-tsg
>>sa-sa2-int-6man-dmm-ls-on-indicating-service-continuity-usage-of-the-addi
>>tional-ipv6-prefix-in-router-advertisement-attachment-1.docx
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On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
<sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>
> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>

With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
Why not using UDP encapsulation?"

There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes like
firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that Kalyani
posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than other
encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular NIC (ixgbe)
is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a good hash for
RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that don't provide as good
support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP. There are likely routers
that would not be able to provide flow specific ECMP for similar
reasons. There was a comment in dmm meeting that ECMP for IPIP was
expected to by solved by using flow label in the hash. This is a great
idea, but unfortunately there is significant resistance to using flow
label for this purpose since it is not guaranteed to be persistent for
a flow and that can cause problems for stateful devices like
firewalls.

UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been defined
as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations over UDP
(e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice
overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.

If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would suggest
GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:

- It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
custom extensions per use case)
- It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
- It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to minimize
encapsulation overhead)
- It allows encapsulation of extension headers

The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP might
be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE could
be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the network. This
might look something like:

IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload

The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at each
segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsulation.
To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet so
there's no compatibility issue.

Tom


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Thank you Tom for your suggestion.

Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user plane =
beyond GTP-U?

Best regards,
--satoru



> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=
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>=20
> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>=20
>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>=20
>=20
> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>=20
> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes like
> firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that Kalyani
> posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than other
> encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular NIC (ixgbe)
> is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a good hash for
> RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that don't provide as good
> support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP. There are likely routers
> that would not be able to provide flow specific ECMP for similar
> reasons. There was a comment in dmm meeting that ECMP for IPIP was
> expected to by solved by using flow label in the hash. This is a great
> idea, but unfortunately there is significant resistance to using flow
> label for this purpose since it is not guaranteed to be persistent for
> a flow and that can cause problems for stateful devices like
> firewalls.
>=20
> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been defined
> as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations over UDP
> (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice
> overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>=20
> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would suggest
> GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>=20
> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
> custom extensions per use case)
> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to minimize
> encapsulation overhead)
> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>=20
> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP might
> be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE could
> be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the network. This
> might look something like:
>=20
> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>=20
> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at each
> segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsulation.
> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet so
> there's no compatibility issue.
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
<satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>
> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?

I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use case
encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems and
provide features of encapsulation (header security, fragmentation,
payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is done without
resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "private data"
that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP in
UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).

> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user plane be=
yond GTP-U?
>
I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol so
it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization or
encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations. Similarly, GUE
also could be use to connect across different access technologies that
might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a mobile network).
Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used for
this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically designed
to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.

We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however when
encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.

Tom

>> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=
=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>
>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>
>>
>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>
>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes like
>> firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that Kalyani
>> posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than other
>> encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular NIC (ixgbe)
>> is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a good hash for
>> RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that don't provide as good
>> support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP. There are likely routers
>> that would not be able to provide flow specific ECMP for similar
>> reasons. There was a comment in dmm meeting that ECMP for IPIP was
>> expected to by solved by using flow label in the hash. This is a great
>> idea, but unfortunately there is significant resistance to using flow
>> label for this purpose since it is not guaranteed to be persistent for
>> a flow and that can cause problems for stateful devices like
>> firewalls.
>>
>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been defined
>> as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations over UDP
>> (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice
>> overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>>
>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would suggest
>> GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>
>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>> custom extensions per use case)
>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to minimize
>> encapsulation overhead)
>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>
>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP might
>> be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE could
>> be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the network. This
>> might look something like:
>>
>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>
>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at each
>> segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsulation.
>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet so
>> there's no compatibility issue.
>>
>> Tom
>>
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Thank you Tom,

Unfortunately I couldn=E2=80=99t find clear advantage of GUE against =
GTP-U. (No offensive, please don=E2=80=99t get me wrong.)

I couldn=E2=80=99t see GUE in NVO WG doc list. But I can see much more =
foo-over-UDP type encapsulation in IETF.
IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work =
in that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the =
user plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.

Nevertheless I think that that aspect would be a criteria for user plane =
protocols comparison provided to 3GPP. But I don=E2=80=99t think it is =
good idea that we provides 3GPP all kind of foo-over-UDP encapsulation =
protocols in IETF. It would be better to pick SRv6 and some generic =
foo-over-UDP protocol to be compared with GTP-U supported =
functionalities.

Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, =
extension-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of =
criteria. IMO as you suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, =
extensibility and encryption would be good idea for the criteria in =
addition to the above fundamental ones.

Best regards,
--satoru



> 2018/03/27 11:51=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=
=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>=20
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>>=20
>> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
>=20
> I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use case
> encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems and
> provide features of encapsulation (header security, fragmentation,
> payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is done without
> resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "private data"
> that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
> extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
> functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP in
> UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).
>=20
>> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user =
plane beyond GTP-U?
>>=20
> I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
> accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol so
> it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
> instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
> GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization or
> encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations. Similarly, GUE
> also could be use to connect across different access technologies that
> might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a mobile network).
> Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used for
> this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically designed
> to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.
>=20
> We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however when
> encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
> encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
> case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.
>=20
> Tom
>=20
>>> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert =
<tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>=20
>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>>=20
>>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>>>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as =
default.
>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>=20
>>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes =
like
>>> firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that Kalyani
>>> posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than other
>>> encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular NIC =
(ixgbe)
>>> is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a good hash for
>>> RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that don't provide as =
good
>>> support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP. There are likely =
routers
>>> that would not be able to provide flow specific ECMP for similar
>>> reasons. There was a comment in dmm meeting that ECMP for IPIP was
>>> expected to by solved by using flow label in the hash. This is a =
great
>>> idea, but unfortunately there is significant resistance to using =
flow
>>> label for this purpose since it is not guaranteed to be persistent =
for
>>> a flow and that can cause problems for stateful devices like
>>> firewalls.
>>>=20
>>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been =
defined
>>> as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations over UDP
>>> (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice
>>> overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>>>=20
>>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would =
suggest
>>> GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>>=20
>>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>>> custom extensions per use case)
>>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to minimize
>>> encapsulation overhead)
>>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>>=20
>>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP =
might
>>> be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE could
>>> be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the network. =
This
>>> might look something like:
>>>=20
>>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>>=20
>>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at =
each
>>> segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the =
encapsulation.
>>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet =
so
>>> there's no compatibility issue.
>>>=20
>>> Tom
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> dmm mailing list
>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>=20


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One thing I want to follow my comment.

> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, =
extension-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of =
criteria. IMO as you suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, =
extensibility and encryption would be good idea for the criteria in =
addition to the above fundamental ones.


I think that we have to have OAM functionality in addition to that =
criteria.

Best regards,
--satoru



> 2018/03/27 15:57=E3=80=81Satoru Matsushima =
<satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>=20
> Thank you Tom,
>=20
> Unfortunately I couldn=E2=80=99t find clear advantage of GUE against =
GTP-U. (No offensive, please don=E2=80=99t get me wrong.)
>=20
> I couldn=E2=80=99t see GUE in NVO WG doc list. But I can see much more =
foo-over-UDP type encapsulation in IETF.
> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work =
in that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the =
user plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>=20
> Nevertheless I think that that aspect would be a criteria for user =
plane protocols comparison provided to 3GPP. But I don=E2=80=99t think =
it is good idea that we provides 3GPP all kind of foo-over-UDP =
encapsulation protocols in IETF. It would be better to pick SRv6 and =
some generic foo-over-UDP protocol to be compared with GTP-U supported =
functionalities.
>=20
> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, =
extension-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of =
criteria. IMO as you suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, =
extensibility and encryption would be good idea for the criteria in =
addition to the above fundamental ones.
>=20
> Best regards,
> --satoru
>=20
>=20
>=20
>> 2018/03/27 11:51=E3=80=81Tom Herbert =
<tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>=20
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
>> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>>>=20
>>> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
>>=20
>> I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use case
>> encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems and
>> provide features of encapsulation (header security, fragmentation,
>> payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is done without
>> resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "private data"
>> that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
>> extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
>> functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP in
>> UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).
>>=20
>>> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user =
plane beyond GTP-U?
>>>=20
>> I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
>> accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol =
so
>> it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
>> instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
>> GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization or
>> encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations. Similarly, =
GUE
>> also could be use to connect across different access technologies =
that
>> might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a mobile network).
>> Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used =
for
>> this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically designed
>> to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.
>>=20
>> We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however =
when
>> encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
>> encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
>> case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.
>>=20
>> Tom
>>=20
>>>> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert =
<tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>=20
>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>>>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>>>=20
>>>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>>>>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as =
default.
>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>>=20
>>>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>>>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes =
like
>>>> firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that Kalyani
>>>> posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than other
>>>> encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular NIC =
(ixgbe)
>>>> is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a good hash for
>>>> RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that don't provide as =
good
>>>> support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP. There are likely =
routers
>>>> that would not be able to provide flow specific ECMP for similar
>>>> reasons. There was a comment in dmm meeting that ECMP for IPIP was
>>>> expected to by solved by using flow label in the hash. This is a =
great
>>>> idea, but unfortunately there is significant resistance to using =
flow
>>>> label for this purpose since it is not guaranteed to be persistent =
for
>>>> a flow and that can cause problems for stateful devices like
>>>> firewalls.
>>>>=20
>>>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>>>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been =
defined
>>>> as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations over =
UDP
>>>> (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice
>>>> overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>>>>=20
>>>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would =
suggest
>>>> GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>>>=20
>>>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>>>> custom extensions per use case)
>>>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>>>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to =
minimize
>>>> encapsulation overhead)
>>>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>>>=20
>>>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP =
might
>>>> be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>>>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE =
could
>>>> be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the network. =
This
>>>> might look something like:
>>>>=20
>>>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>>>=20
>>>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at =
each
>>>> segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the =
encapsulation.
>>>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet =
so
>>>> there's no compatibility issue.
>>>>=20
>>>> Tom
>>>>=20
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>=20
>=20


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Hi Charlie,

 

Thanks for your comments on our update of the I-D.

You commented and suggested that 5G functions in TS 23.501 need to be mapped
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I know you have additional suggestions. Will you specifically mention,
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On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Satoru Matsushima
<satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thank you Tom,
>
> Unfortunately I couldn=E2=80=99t find clear advantage of GUE against GTP-=
U. (No offensive, please don=E2=80=99t get me wrong.)
>
> I couldn=E2=80=99t see GUE in NVO WG doc list. But I can see much more fo=
o-over-UDP type encapsulation in IETF.

It's not in nvo3, it's now WGLC in intarea. See draft-ietf-intarea-gue
and draft-ietf-intarea-gue-extensions.

> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work i.=
n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the use=
r plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>
Rigtht so if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a
roaming device, what protocol are they going to use?

> Nevertheless I think that that aspect would be a criteria for user plane =
protocols comparison provided to 3GPP. But I don=E2=80=99t think it is good=
 idea that we provides 3GPP all kind of foo-over-UDP encapsulation protocol=
s in IETF. It would be better to pick SRv6 and some generic foo-over-UDP pr=
otocol to be compared with GTP-U supported functionalities.
>
GUE is the generic foo-over-UDP protocol for that purpose.

> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, extension-=
headers, and multicast and those should be the part of criteria. IMO as you=
 suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, extensibility and encryption wo=
uld be good idea for the criteria in addition to the above fundamental ones=
.
>
> Best regards,
> --satoru
>
>
>
>> 2018/03/27 11:51=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=
=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
>> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>>>
>>> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
>>
>> I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use case
>> encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems and
>> provide features of encapsulation (header security, fragmentation,
>> payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is done without
>> resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "private data"
>> that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
>> extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
>> functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP in
>> UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).
>>
>>> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user plane =
beyond GTP-U?
>>>
>> I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
>> accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol so
>> it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
>> instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
>> GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization or
>> encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations. Similarly, GUE
>> also could be use to connect across different access technologies that
>> might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a mobile network).
>> Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used for
>> this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically designed
>> to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.
>>
>> We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however when
>> encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
>> encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
>> case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>>> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=
=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>>>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>>>
>>>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>>>>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>>
>>>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>>>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes like
>>>> firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that Kalyani
>>>> posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than other
>>>> encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular NIC (ixgbe)
>>>> is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a good hash for
>>>> RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that don't provide as good
>>>> support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP. There are likely routers
>>>> that would not be able to provide flow specific ECMP for similar
>>>> reasons. There was a comment in dmm meeting that ECMP for IPIP was
>>>> expected to by solved by using flow label in the hash. This is a great
>>>> idea, but unfortunately there is significant resistance to using flow
>>>> label for this purpose since it is not guaranteed to be persistent for
>>>> a flow and that can cause problems for stateful devices like
>>>> firewalls.
>>>>
>>>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>>>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been defined
>>>> as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations over UDP
>>>> (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice
>>>> overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>>>>
>>>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would suggest
>>>> GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>>>
>>>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>>>> custom extensions per use case)
>>>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>>>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to minimize
>>>> encapsulation overhead)
>>>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>>>
>>>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP might
>>>> be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>>>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE could
>>>> be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the network. This
>>>> might look something like:
>>>>
>>>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>>>
>>>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at each
>>>> segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsulation.
>>>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet so
>>>> there's no compatibility issue.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 12:52 AM, Satoru Matsushima
<satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
> One thing I want to follow my comment.
>
>> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, extension=
-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of criteria. IMO as yo=
u suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, extensibility and encryption w=
ould be good idea for the criteria in addition to the above fundamental one=
s.
>
>
> I think that we have to have OAM functionality in addition to that criter=
ia.
>
OAM is supported in GUE. There are two types of messages in GUE:
control and data. Control could be used for sending OAM messages.
Additionally, OAM flags and fields can be used with control message.
It's likely we'll define two flag bits to handle proposed inline
performance measurement that has been defined.

Tom

> Best regards,
> --satoru
>
>
>
>> 2018/03/27 15:57=E3=80=81Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>=
=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>
>> Thank you Tom,
>>
>> Unfortunately I couldn=E2=80=99t find clear advantage of GUE against GTP=
-U. (No offensive, please don=E2=80=99t get me wrong.)
>>
>> I couldn=E2=80=99t see GUE in NVO WG doc list. But I can see much more f=
oo-over-UDP type encapsulation in IETF.
>> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work i=
n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the use=
r plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>>
>> Nevertheless I think that that aspect would be a criteria for user plane=
 protocols comparison provided to 3GPP. But I don=E2=80=99t think it is goo=
d idea that we provides 3GPP all kind of foo-over-UDP encapsulation protoco=
ls in IETF. It would be better to pick SRv6 and some generic foo-over-UDP p=
rotocol to be compared with GTP-U supported functionalities.
>>
>> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, extension=
-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of criteria. IMO as yo=
u suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, extensibility and encryption w=
ould be good idea for the criteria in addition to the above fundamental one=
s.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> --satoru
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2018/03/27 11:51=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=
=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
>>> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
>>>
>>> I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use case
>>> encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems and
>>> provide features of encapsulation (header security, fragmentation,
>>> payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is done without
>>> resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "private data"
>>> that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
>>> extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
>>> functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP in
>>> UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).
>>>
>>>> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user plane=
 beyond GTP-U?
>>>>
>>> I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
>>> accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol so
>>> it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
>>> instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
>>> GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization or
>>> encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations. Similarly, GUE
>>> also could be use to connect across different access technologies that
>>> might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a mobile network).
>>> Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used for
>>> this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically designed
>>> to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.
>>>
>>> We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however when
>>> encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
>>> encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
>>> case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>>> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=
=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>>>>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>>>>>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>>>
>>>>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>>>>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes lik=
e
>>>>> firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that Kalyani
>>>>> posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than other
>>>>> encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular NIC (ixgbe=
)
>>>>> is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a good hash for
>>>>> RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that don't provide as goo=
d
>>>>> support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP. There are likely router=
s
>>>>> that would not be able to provide flow specific ECMP for similar
>>>>> reasons. There was a comment in dmm meeting that ECMP for IPIP was
>>>>> expected to by solved by using flow label in the hash. This is a grea=
t
>>>>> idea, but unfortunately there is significant resistance to using flow
>>>>> label for this purpose since it is not guaranteed to be persistent fo=
r
>>>>> a flow and that can cause problems for stateful devices like
>>>>> firewalls.
>>>>>
>>>>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>>>>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been defined
>>>>> as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations over UDP
>>>>> (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice
>>>>> overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would suggest
>>>>> GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>>>>
>>>>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>>>>> custom extensions per use case)
>>>>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>>>>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to minimize
>>>>> encapsulation overhead)
>>>>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>>>>
>>>>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP migh=
t
>>>>> be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>>>>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE could
>>>>> be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the network. This
>>>>> might look something like:
>>>>>
>>>>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>>>>
>>>>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at eac=
h
>>>>> segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsulation=
.
>>>>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet s=
o
>>>>> there's no compatibility issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
>>>>
>>
>


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On 3/26/18, 5:16 PM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:

>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>

I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the need
for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a closed
administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing insertion
of SRH by a on-path node. I realize there are issues with ICMP error
messages hitting the source etc, but we should be able to document those
issues and specify work arounds. I understand there have been discussions
on this topic before, but I hope authors will find some agreements for the
same.


Sri
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Tom:

I am not against the use of the term =93transformation=94 in ILA function
naming, but honestly I do not understand the difference. I have not seen
any documentation for such interpretation as you explained below. I have
looked at RFC 2663 and other specs, but I did find any such text.

Lets look at two nodes, one with a NAT function and another with a ILA
function.

#1 The NAT function intercepts the packets coming on an ingress interface,
look at certain header/payload fields and replaces certain fields with
certain other fields. It creates a temporary state for that mapping, which
we call it as NAT Mapping entry. The modified packet is sent on the egress
interface.

#2 The ILA function (on ILA-L) intercepts the packet coming on an ingress
interface, looks at certain header fields, and replaces certain bits with
some other bits. For this replacement it looks at its cache, or obtains a
mapping entry which is very similar to NAT entry. The modified packet is
sent on the egress interface.


Now, for #2, your argument is that there is an inverse function some where
else in the other side of the network and that makes the original packet
go out to the correspondent node, and that the same does not happen for
#1. I agree with that, but, when you explain the sequence of steps that
these functions execute on a given packet (on a given node), there is very
little difference. Collectively, what ILA-L and ILA-R may achieve may be
different from what NAT realizes, but they are very similar functions when
you see them individually.


Sri




On 3/23/18, 3:36 AM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
><sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>
>> ILA-NAT-GW, or Locator-Rewrite Function ,,,should all work I guess.
>>
>Sri,
>
>I still like the term 'address transformation'. The difference between
>transformation and translation is that no information is lost in
>transformation (pointed out by Mark Smith on ila list) whereas
>translations may be imperfect. A transformation is always reversible
>and must be reversed before delivery to the final destination.
>
>Tom
>
>> Sri
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3/20/18, 4:42 AM, "Marco Liebsch" <Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu> wrote:
>>
>>>What about naming it nicely locator re-writing? Which is what it does
>>>and
>>>community reacts differently
>>>on certain terms such as NAT..
>>>
>>>marco
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>>>(sgundave)
>>>Sent: Dienstag, 20. M=E4rz 2018 12:40
>>>To: Tom Herbert; Lyle Bertz
>>>Cc: dmm
>>>Subject: Re: [DMM] draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-00
>>>
>>>But, in any case, NAT is not such a bad word, its just that it pushed
>>>IPv6 deployments out by 20 years.
>>>
>>>Sri
>>>
>>>On 3/20/18, 4:37 AM, "dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)"
>>><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Tom:
>>>>
>>>>> ILA is not NAT! :-)
>>>>
>>>>As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the
>>>>function that is needed at two places where you do translation of the
>>>>addresses from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, and
>>>>you have a mapping state similar to NAT state. That=B9s a NAT :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sri
>>>>
>>>>On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert"
>>>><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
>>>>>>would ask  a couple of simple questions which I hope have already
>>>>>>been addressed in  previous e-mails:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an
>>>>>>SMF.
>>>>>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
>>>>>>incorrect  or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does one
>>>>>>do any policy in  those figures?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is
>>>>>>unclear how  policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state
>>>>>>the proposed ILA  design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is
>>>>>>noted that not all functions  are supported at a specific UPF it is
>>>>>>unclear that policy, lawful intercept,  etc.. is supported at all.
>>>>>>Will this be section be updated?
>>>>>>
>>>>>Hi Lyle,
>>>>>
>>>>>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
>>>>>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
>>>>>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
>>>>>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
>>>>>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
>>>>>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>>>>>
>>>>>Tom
>>>>>
>>>>>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with
>>>>>>the UPF  functions to ensure coverage?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>>>>>
>>>>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>>>>>
>>>>>> )?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Lyle
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
>>>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm
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>>>>>
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:36 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
<sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
> Tom:
>
> I am not against the use of the term =E2=80=9Ctransformation=E2=80=9D in =
ILA function
> naming, but honestly I do not understand the difference. I have not seen
> any documentation for such interpretation as you explained below. I have
> looked at RFC 2663 and other specs, but I did find any such text.
>
> Lets look at two nodes, one with a NAT function and another with a ILA
> function.
>
> #1 The NAT function intercepts the packets coming on an ingress interface=
,
> look at certain header/payload fields and replaces certain fields with
> certain other fields. It creates a temporary state for that mapping, whic=
h
> we call it as NAT Mapping entry. The modified packet is sent on the egres=
s
> interface.
>
> #2 The ILA function (on ILA-L) intercepts the packet coming on an ingress
> interface, looks at certain header fields, and replaces certain bits with
> some other bits. For this replacement it looks at its cache, or obtains a
> mapping entry which is very similar to NAT entry. The modified packet is
> sent on the egress interface.
>
>
> Now, for #2, your argument is that there is an inverse function some wher=
e
> else in the other side of the network and that makes the original packet
> go out to the correspondent node, and that the same does not happen for
> #1. I agree with that, but, when you explain the sequence of steps that
> these functions execute on a given packet (on a given node), there is ver=
y
> little difference. Collectively, what ILA-L and ILA-R may achieve may be
> different from what NAT realizes, but they are very similar functions whe=
n
> you see them individually.
>
The difference is that the endpoints agree on what the addresses are
for a flow. In NAT this does not happen so there is a descrepancy, in
ILA there is always agreement. In this way ILA transformations are a
method to make transparent network overlays.

Tom

>
> Sri
>
>
>
>
> On 3/23/18, 3:36 AM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 4:53 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>><sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> ILA-NAT-GW, or Locator-Rewrite Function ,,,should all work I guess.
>>>
>>Sri,
>>
>>I still like the term 'address transformation'. The difference between
>>transformation and translation is that no information is lost in
>>transformation (pointed out by Mark Smith on ila list) whereas
>>translations may be imperfect. A transformation is always reversible
>>and must be reversed before delivery to the final destination.
>>
>>Tom
>>
>>> Sri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/20/18, 4:42 AM, "Marco Liebsch" <Marco.Liebsch@neclab.eu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>What about naming it nicely locator re-writing? Which is what it does
>>>>and
>>>>community reacts differently
>>>>on certain terms such as NAT..
>>>>
>>>>marco
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli
>>>>(sgundave)
>>>>Sent: Dienstag, 20. M=C3=A4rz 2018 12:40
>>>>To: Tom Herbert; Lyle Bertz
>>>>Cc: dmm
>>>>Subject: Re: [DMM] draft-bogineni-dmm-optimized-mobile-user-plane-00
>>>>
>>>>But, in any case, NAT is not such a bad word, its just that it pushed
>>>>IPv6 deployments out by 20 years.
>>>>
>>>>Sri
>>>>
>>>>On 3/20/18, 4:37 AM, "dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)"
>>>><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Tom:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ILA is not NAT! :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>As seen from the end point, I agree ILA is not NAT. But, that the
>>>>>function that is needed at two places where you do translation of the
>>>>>addresses from SIR to LOCATOR, or LOCATOR to SIR is a NAT function, an=
d
>>>>>you have a mapping state similar to NAT state. That=C2=B9s a NAT :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Sri
>>>>>
>>>>>On 3/20/18, 4:29 AM, "dmm on behalf of Tom Herbert"
>>>>><dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 3:57 AM, Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>> We'll be quite time constrained during this session so I thought I
>>>>>>>would ask  a couple of simple questions which I hope have already
>>>>>>>been addressed in  previous e-mails:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1. Figures 14 & 15 are described as options and do not include an
>>>>>>>SMF.
>>>>>>> However, Figures 16 & 17 do.  It is a bit confusing.  Are 14 & 15
>>>>>>>incorrect  or is an option to skip the SMF?  If correct, how does on=
e
>>>>>>>do any policy in  those figures?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2.  ILA appears to be super NAT'g (more than 1 NAT) but it is
>>>>>>>unclear how  policy works.  I am not sure that in its current state
>>>>>>>the proposed ILA  design addresses in Section 3.  Although it is
>>>>>>>noted that not all functions  are supported at a specific UPF it is
>>>>>>>unclear that policy, lawful intercept,  etc.. is supported at all.
>>>>>>>Will this be section be updated?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi Lyle,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>ILA is not NAT! :-) It is an address transformation process that is
>>>>>>always undone before the packet is received so that receiver sees
>>>>>>original packet. In this manner ILA is really just an efficient
>>>>>>mechanism of creating network overlays. In this manner additional
>>>>>>functionality (policy, lawful intercept, etc.) can be higher layers
>>>>>>independent of the actual overlay mechanism.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Tom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 3. Will a feature support comparison be made for each solution with
>>>>>>>the UPF  functions to ensure coverage?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 4.  Will MFA be proposed as an option (
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> draft-gundavelli-dmm-mfa-00
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> )?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Lyle
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> dmm mailing list
>>>>>>> dmm@ietf.org
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
<sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
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> On 3/26/18, 5:16 PM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
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>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>
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> I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the need
> for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a closed
> administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing insertion
> of SRH by a on-path node. I realize there are issues with ICMP error
> messages hitting the source etc, but we should be able to document those
> issues and specify work arounds. I understand there have been discussions
> on this topic before, but I hope authors will find some agreements for the
> same.
>
Sri,

There's been quite a bit of discussion on this on 6man list with
reference to draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion. The problem
is that extension header insertion would violate RFC8200: "Extension
headers (except for the Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed,
inserted, or deleted by any node along a packet's delivery path".

In addition to the the protocol ramifications of doing this (dealing
with MTU, ICMP error, etc.) there were questions as to whether the
benefit is significant enough to justify the cost, as well as what
does it mean to define Internet protocols that only work in a
"controlled domain".

I believe 6man is the right place for further discussions on this.

Tom




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This is the last change for FPC and was mentioned last week. This is the
Background, Motivation & Summary.   As discussed, we will focus on
examples, editing and NMDA.

Comments are appreciated.

FPC Authors


BACKGROUND
The selection of a DPN, User Plane Function or even Diameter applications
is initially performed via RFC 3958.  This Simple Name Pointer (S-NAPTR)
has the following format.


;;               order pref flags
IN NAPTR   100   10.   =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D     =E2=80=9C[ [app-service] *(":=
" app-protocol)]=E2=80=9D ( ;
service
                      =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D                      ; regex
                      =E2=80=9C<interface>.<hostname>=E2=80=9D  ;  replacem=
ent
                                          )

NOTE - I am using a interface.hostname example here but other replacement
strings apply.  Please look @ the RFC for detail.

This solution has worked well for the selection of an interface it merely
guarantees the application service and application protocol(s) are
provided.  In production networks operators have failed to negotiate links
based upon RFC 3958 when a Feature or Setting that is relevant to the
application user=E2=80=99s needs are not met.   One workaround could be pla=
ced into
the DNS entry but then it requires a new RFC or use of the regex (and a new
RFC).   It is still not a viable option if the protocol dynamically
negotiates, shuts off features (for example during overload), etc.  In this
case the DNS record would have to be in sync with DNS.

It is best to characterize the use of RFC 3958 as a mechanism by which a
Client can find an application and application protocol endpoint but it
does not guarantee a successful connection.  This results in retry attempts
at the risk of timeouts in the Control plane.

MOTIVATION
The motivation for ServiceGroup/ServiceEndpoint is to provide an
information model that enables a simple selection mechanism that can be
executed by FPC Client or Agent that provide a high probability of
successful connectivity.    However, there is a lot of overlap between the
ServiceGroup and ServiceEndpoint and we have eliminated ServiceEndpoint
while making modifications.

Below is the new language.

   A Service-Group is collection of DPN interfaces serving some data-
   plane purpose *including but not limited to DPN Interface selection to
   fulfill a Mobility-Context.*  Each Group contains a list of DPNs
(referenced by
   DPN-Key) and selected interfaces (referenced by Interface-Key).  The
   Interfaces are listed explicitly (rather than referred implicitly by
   its specific DPN) so that every Interface of a DPN is not required to
   be part of the Group.  The information provided is sufficient to ensure
that
   the Protocol, Settings and Features relevant to successful connectivity
is
   present in the model.
        |
        +-[Service-Group] <G-Key>, <Name> (O) <Set>
        |           +-[Extensible: FALSE]
        |           +-[Role] <U-Key>
        |           +-[Protocol] <Set>
        |           +-[Features] <Set> (O)
        |           +-[Settings] <Set> (O)
        |           +-[DPN-Key] <Set>
        |           |           +-[Referenced-Interface] <Set>
        |           |           |       +-[Interface-Key] <L-Key>
        |           |           |       +-[Peer-Service-Group-Key] <Set> (O=
)

                          Figure 8: Service Group

   Each Service-Group contains the following information:

   Service-Group (Key):  A unique ID of the Service-Group

   Service-Group (Name):  a human-readable display string
   Role:   the role (MAG, LMA, PGW, AMF etc.) of the device hosting the
      interfaces of the DPN Group.

    Protocol: The set of protocols supported by this interface (e.g.,
         PMIP, S5-GTP, S5-PMIP etc.).   The protocol is MAY be =E2=80=98gtp=
=E2=80=99 but
many
    protocols implement specific message sets, e.g. s5-pmip, s8-pmip.
    When a protocol implements such message sub-subsets the
    Protocol value MUST include this information.
     Features (optional): a set of static features which further
         determine the suitability of the interface to the desired
         operation for which selection is underway.

     Settings (optional): configurable settings that further
         determine the suitability of an interface for the specific
         request.  For example: SequenceNumber=3DON/OFF.*
     DPN-Key (Key):  a key used to identify the DPN.
               Referenced-Interface: <Set>  The *DPN* Interfaces and peer
Service-Groups
                      associated with them.  Each entry contains
             Interface-Key:   a key that is used together with the DPN-Key,
to
                    create a key that is referred to be the interface
definition of
                 DPNs
             Peer-Service-Group-Key:   Enables location of the peer Service
                    Group for this Interface.

IN the DPN definition the Settings value is also present but has a slightly
different definition.

Settings (optional): configurable settings of an interface that
    does not determine the suitability of an interface for the specific
         request.

As a cross check, COMPATIBILITY with RFC 3958 can be maintained

;;               order pref flags
IN NAPTR   100   10.   =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D     =E2=80=9C[ [<FPC Role>] *(":"=
 <FPC Protocol>)]=E2=80=9D ( ;
service
                      =E2=80=9C=E2=80=9D                      ; regex
                      =E2=80=9C<FPC Interface-Key (or Displayable Name)>.<h=
ostname
of DPN>=E2=80=9D  ;  replacement
                                          )

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 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-[DPN-Key] &lt;Set&gt;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 +-[Referenced-Interface] &lt;Set&gt;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
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=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-[Interface-Key] &lt;L-Key&gt;<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0=
 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 | =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 +-[Peer-Service-Group-Key] &lt;Set&gt;=
 (O)<br>=E2=80=A8<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
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=A0=C2=A0 Each Service-Group contains the following information:<br><br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 Service-Group (Key):=C2=A0 A unique ID of the Service-Group<br><b=
r>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Service-Group (Name):=C2=A0 a human-readable display string=
=E2=80=A8<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 Role: =C2=A0 the role (MAG, LMA, PGW, AMF etc.) o=
f the device hosting the<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 interfaces of the DPN Grou=
p.<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Protocol: The set of protocols supported by this in=
terface (e.g.,<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 PMIP, S5-GTP, S5-PMIP e=
tc.). =C2=A0 The protocol is MAY be =E2=80=98gtp=E2=80=99 but many <br>=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 protocols implement specific message sets, e.g. s5-pmip, s8=
-pmip. =C2=A0<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 When a protocol implements such message=
 sub-subsets the <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Protocol value MUST include this in=
formation.=E2=80=A8<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Features (optional): a set of st=
atic features which further<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 determine =
the suitability of the interface to the desired<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 operation for which selection is underway.<br><br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 Settings (optional): configurable settings that further<br>=C2=A0=C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 determine the suitability of an interface for the =
specific<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 request.=C2=A0 For example: S=
equenceNumber=3DON/OFF.*=E2=80=A8<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DPN-Key (Key)=
:=C2=A0 a key used to identify the DPN.<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Referenced-Interface: &lt;Set&gt=
;=C2=A0 The *DPN* Interfaces and peer Service-Groups<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0 associated with them.=C2=A0 Each entry contains<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Interface-Key: =C2=A0 a key tha=
t is used together with the DPN-Key, to<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 create a key th=
at is referred to be the interface definition of<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DPNs<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Peer-Service-Group-Key: =C2=A0 Ena=
bles location of the peer Service<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Group for this Interf=
ace.<br><br>IN the DPN definition the Settings value is also present but ha=
s a slightly different definition.<br><br>Settings (optional): configurable=
 settings of an interface that <br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 does not determine th=
e suitability of an interface for the specific<br>=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 request.<br><br>As a cross check, COMPATIBILITY wi=
th RFC 3958 can be maintained<br><br>;; =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E2=80=9C&lt;FPC Interface-Key (or Displayable Name)&gt;.&lt;=
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Hi Sri,

	>
	> I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the=20
	> need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a=20
	> closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing=20
	> insertion of SRH by a on-path node.

While I see you intention to see a way to reduce the RFC8200 encap overhead=
;=20
for mobile/cellular environments  I see its paramount to have a  standardiz=
ed solutions because=20
it's mostly multi-vendor equipment from most of the operators deployments. =
Regardless if it's a closed administrative domain or not.


However, it might be fine if it is an inside a DC (for example DC underlay)=
 kind of  environment and  this exception could be made;
as the diversity of different vendor equipment can be less.


But the best course still would be to have this documented clearly and if p=
ossible do an update to RFC8200 @ 6man as pointed below by Tom.

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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.=
com> wrote:
>
>
> On 3/26/18, 5:16 PM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>
>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>
>
> I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the=20
> need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a=20
> closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing=20
> insertion of SRH by a on-path node. I realize there are issues with=20
> ICMP error messages hitting the source etc, but we should be able to=20
> document those issues and specify work arounds. I understand there=20
> have been discussions on this topic before, but I hope authors will=20
> find some agreements for the same.
>
Sri,

There's been quite a bit of discussion on this on 6man list with reference =
to draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion. The problem is that extensi=
on header insertion would violate RFC8200: "Extension headers (except for t=
he Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed, inserted, or deleted by an=
y node along a packet's delivery path".

In addition to the the protocol ramifications of doing this (dealing with M=
TU, ICMP error, etc.) there were questions as to whether the benefit is sig=
nificant enough to justify the cost, as well as what does it mean to define=
 Internet protocols that only work in a "controlled domain".

I believe 6man is the right place for further discussions on this.

Tom




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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Uma Chunduri <uma.chunduri@huawei.com> wr=
ote:
> Hi Sri,
>
>         >
>         > I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion witho=
ut the
>         > need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments wit=
hin a
>         > closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for a=
llowing
>         > insertion of SRH by a on-path node.
>
> While I see you intention to see a way to reduce the RFC8200 encap overhe=
ad;
> for mobile/cellular environments  I see its paramount to have a  standard=
ized solutions because
> it's mostly multi-vendor equipment from most of the operators deployments=
. Regardless if it's a closed administrative domain or not.
>
>
> However, it might be fine if it is an inside a DC (for example DC underla=
y) kind of  environment and  this exception could be made;
> as the diversity of different vendor equipment can be less.
>
That story line has played out many times before. In a closed system
like a DC there is always seems to be some motivation to deploy
proprietary solutions. Often this is done for convenience and because
something is viewed as something critically needed today. In the long
run, this is self defeating. It is a lot of effort to maintain
proprietary protocols, and even worse can force the network into
vendor lock-in. It's almost always better to stick with open standards
from day one even in closed systems.

Tom

>
> But the best course still would be to have this documented clearly and if=
 possible do an update to RFC8200 @ 6man as pointed below by Tom.
>
> --
> Uma C.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:05 AM
> To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.com>
> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 DMM WG Meeting Notes #1
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisc=
o.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/18, 5:16 PM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>
>>
>> I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the
>> need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a
>> closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing
>> insertion of SRH by a on-path node. I realize there are issues with
>> ICMP error messages hitting the source etc, but we should be able to
>> document those issues and specify work arounds. I understand there
>> have been discussions on this topic before, but I hope authors will
>> find some agreements for the same.
>>
> Sri,
>
> There's been quite a bit of discussion on this on 6man list with referenc=
e to draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion. The problem is that exten=
sion header insertion would violate RFC8200: "Extension headers (except for=
 the Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed, inserted, or deleted by =
any node along a packet's delivery path".
>
> In addition to the the protocol ramifications of doing this (dealing with=
 MTU, ICMP error, etc.) there were questions as to whether the benefit is s=
ignificant enough to justify the cost, as well as what does it mean to defi=
ne Internet protocols that only work in a "controlled domain".
>
> I believe 6man is the right place for further discussions on this.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Sri
>> <with no chair hat>
>>
>
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Arashmid Akhavain
<arashmid.akhavain@huawei.com> wrote:
> Tom,
> Are you referring to a use case where the UE moves between different acce=
ss technologies?
>
I think it's possible and should be a consideration. Countless devices
are already regularly multihomed between WiFi and mobile.

Tom


> Arashmid
>
>> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work i=
.n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the us=
er plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>>
> Rigtht so if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming d=
evice, what protocol are they going to use?
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert
> Sent: 27 March 2018 10:03
> To: Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 DMM WG Meeting Notes #1
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gm=
ail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Tom,
>>
>> Unfortunately I couldn=E2=80=99t find clear advantage of GUE against GTP=
-U.
>> (No offensive, please don=E2=80=99t get me wrong.)
>>
>> I couldn=E2=80=99t see GUE in NVO WG doc list. But I can see much more f=
oo-over-UDP type encapsulation in IETF.
>
> It's not in nvo3, it's now WGLC in intarea. See draft-ietf-intarea-gue an=
d draft-ietf-intarea-gue-extensions.
>
>> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work i=
.n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the us=
er plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>>
> Rigtht so if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming d=
evice, what protocol are they going to use?
>
>> Nevertheless I think that that aspect would be a criteria for user plane=
 protocols comparison provided to 3GPP. But I don=E2=80=99t think it is goo=
d idea that we provides 3GPP all kind of foo-over-UDP encapsulation protoco=
ls in IETF. It would be better to pick SRv6 and some generic foo-over-UDP p=
rotocol to be compared with GTP-U supported functionalities.
>>
> GUE is the generic foo-over-UDP protocol for that purpose.
>
>> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, extension=
-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of criteria. IMO as yo=
u suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, extensibility and encryption w=
ould be good idea for the criteria in addition to the above fundamental one=
s.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> --satoru
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2018/03/27 11:51=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=
=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
>>> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
>>>
>>> I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use case
>>> encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems and
>>> provide features of encapsulation (header security, fragmentation,
>>> payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is done without
>>> resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "private data"
>>> that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
>>> extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
>>> functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP in
>>> UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).
>>>
>>>> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user plane=
 beyond GTP-U?
>>>>
>>> I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
>>> accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol
>>> so it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
>>> instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
>>> GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization or
>>> encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations. Similarly,
>>> GUE also could be use to connect across different access technologies
>>> that might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a mobile network)=
.
>>> Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used
>>> for this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically
>>> designed to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.
>>>
>>> We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however
>>> when encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
>>> encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
>>> case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>>> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=
=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>>>>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>>>>>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>>>
>>>>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>>>>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes
>>>>> like firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that
>>>>> Kalyani posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than
>>>>> other encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular
>>>>> NIC (ixgbe) is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a
>>>>> good hash for RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that
>>>>> don't provide as good support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP.
>>>>> There are likely routers that would not be able to provide flow
>>>>> specific ECMP for similar reasons. There was a comment in dmm
>>>>> meeting that ECMP for IPIP was expected to by solved by using flow
>>>>> label in the hash. This is a great idea, but unfortunately there is
>>>>> significant resistance to using flow label for this purpose since
>>>>> it is not guaranteed to be persistent for a flow and that can cause
>>>>> problems for stateful devices like firewalls.
>>>>>
>>>>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>>>>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been
>>>>> defined as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations
>>>>> over UDP (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives
>>>>> a nice overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would
>>>>> suggest GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>>>>
>>>>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>>>>> custom extensions per use case)
>>>>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>>>>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to
>>>>> minimize encapsulation overhead)
>>>>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>>>>
>>>>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP
>>>>> might be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>>>>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE
>>>>> could be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the
>>>>> network. This might look something like:
>>>>>
>>>>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>>>>
>>>>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at
>>>>> each segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsul=
ation.
>>>>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet
>>>>> so there's no compatibility issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
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Although segment end points are nodes along packets' delivery path, they ar=
e terminating a segment.
So why is it considered a RFC8200 violation if SRH manipulation is restrict=
ed to those nodes.

Arashmid





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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.=
com> wrote:
>
>
> On 3/26/18, 5:16 PM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>
>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>
>
> I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the=20
> need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a=20
> closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing=20
> insertion of SRH by a on-path node. I realize there are issues with=20
> ICMP error messages hitting the source etc, but we should be able to=20
> document those issues and specify work arounds. I understand there=20
> have been discussions on this topic before, but I hope authors will=20
> find some agreements for the same.
>
Sri,

There's been quite a bit of discussion on this on 6man list with reference =
to draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion. The problem is that extensi=
on header insertion would violate RFC8200: "Extension headers (except for t=
he Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed, inserted, or deleted by an=
y node along a packet's delivery path".

In addition to the the protocol ramifications of doing this (dealing with M=
TU, ICMP error, etc.) there were questions as to whether the benefit is sig=
nificant enough to justify the cost, as well as what does it mean to define=
 Internet protocols that only work in a "controlled domain".

I believe 6man is the right place for further discussions on this.

Tom




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Hello Arashmid,

> if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming device, what protocol are they going to use?

They could use Mobile IPv6, which was designed for exactly this purpose.

Do you think that would work?

Regards,
Charlie P.



On 3/27/2018 11:08 AM, Arashmid Akhavain wrote:
> Tom,
> Are you referring to a use case where the UE moves between different access technologies?
>
> Arashmid
>
>> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn’t seem to work i.n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the user plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>>
> Rigtht so if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming device, what protocol are they going to use?
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert
> Sent: 27 March 2018 10:03
> To: Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 DMM WG Meeting Notes #1
>
> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thank you Tom,
>>
>> Unfortunately I couldn’t find clear advantage of GUE against GTP-U.
>> (No offensive, please don’t get me wrong.)
>>
>> I couldn’t see GUE in NVO WG doc list. But I can see much more foo-over-UDP type encapsulation in IETF.
> It's not in nvo3, it's now WGLC in intarea. See draft-ietf-intarea-gue and draft-ietf-intarea-gue-extensions.
>
>> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn’t seem to work i.n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the user plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>>
> Rigtht so if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming device, what protocol are they going to use?
>
>> Nevertheless I think that that aspect would be a criteria for user plane protocols comparison provided to 3GPP. But I don’t think it is good idea that we provides 3GPP all kind of foo-over-UDP encapsulation protocols in IETF. It would be better to pick SRv6 and some generic foo-over-UDP protocol to be compared with GTP-U supported functionalities.
>>
> GUE is the generic foo-over-UDP protocol for that purpose.
>
>> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, extension-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of criteria. IMO as you suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, extensibility and encryption would be good idea for the criteria in addition to the above fundamental ones.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> --satoru
>>
>>
>>
>>> 2018/03/27 11:51、Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>のメール:
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
>>> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>>>>
>>>> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
>>> I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use case
>>> encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems and
>>> provide features of encapsulation (header security, fragmentation,
>>> payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is done without
>>> resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "private data"
>>> that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
>>> extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
>>> functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP in
>>> UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).
>>>
>>>> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user plane beyond GTP-U?
>>>>
>>> I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
>>> accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol
>>> so it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
>>> instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
>>> GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization or
>>> encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations. Similarly,
>>> GUE also could be use to connect across different access technologies
>>> that might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a mobile network).
>>> Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used
>>> for this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically
>>> designed to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.
>>>
>>> We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however
>>> when encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
>>> encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
>>> case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.
>>>
>>> Tom
>>>
>>>>> 2018/03/27 9:16、Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>のメール:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>>>>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review and
>>>>>> comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>>>>
>>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>>>
>>>>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>>>>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes
>>>>> like firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that
>>>>> Kalyani posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than
>>>>> other encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular
>>>>> NIC (ixgbe) is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a
>>>>> good hash for RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that
>>>>> don't provide as good support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP.
>>>>> There are likely routers that would not be able to provide flow
>>>>> specific ECMP for similar reasons. There was a comment in dmm
>>>>> meeting that ECMP for IPIP was expected to by solved by using flow
>>>>> label in the hash. This is a great idea, but unfortunately there is
>>>>> significant resistance to using flow label for this purpose since
>>>>> it is not guaranteed to be persistent for a flow and that can cause
>>>>> problems for stateful devices like firewalls.
>>>>>
>>>>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>>>>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been
>>>>> defined as well as some foo over UDP to run existing encapsulations
>>>>> over UDP (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP). draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives
>>>>> a nice overview of considerations for UDP encap protocols.
>>>>>
>>>>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would
>>>>> suggest GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>>>>
>>>>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>>>>> custom extensions per use case)
>>>>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>>>>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to
>>>>> minimize encapsulation overhead)
>>>>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>>>>
>>>>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP
>>>>> might be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>>>>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE
>>>>> could be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the
>>>>> network. This might look something like:
>>>>>
>>>>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>>>>
>>>>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at
>>>>> each segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsulation.
>>>>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP packet
>>>>> so there's no compatibility issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:37 AM, Arashmid Akhavain
<arashmid.akhavain@huawei.com> wrote:
> Although segment end points are nodes along packets' delivery path, they =
are terminating a segment.
> So why is it considered a RFC8200 violation if SRH manipulation is restri=
cted to those nodes.
>
Hi Arashmid,

Because only the source of a packet is allowed to create extension
headers. The source is identified by the source address, and we know
that intermediate nodes in segment routing are not the source since
they don't change to the source address to be their own. Creating
extension headers when encapsulating is okay since the encapsulator is
the source of the outer packet. The problems with EH insertion were
enumerated in the discussion on 6man list.

Tom

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> To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.com>
> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 DMM WG Meeting Notes #1
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> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisc=
o.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 3/26/18, 5:16 PM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>
>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>
>>
>> I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the
>> need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a
>> closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing
>> insertion of SRH by a on-path node. I realize there are issues with
>> ICMP error messages hitting the source etc, but we should be able to
>> document those issues and specify work arounds. I understand there
>> have been discussions on this topic before, but I hope authors will
>> find some agreements for the same.
>>
> Sri,
>
> There's been quite a bit of discussion on this on 6man list with referenc=
e to draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion. The problem is that exten=
sion header insertion would violate RFC8200: "Extension headers (except for=
 the Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed, inserted, or deleted by =
any node along a packet's delivery path".
>
> In addition to the the protocol ramifications of doing this (dealing with=
 MTU, ICMP error, etc.) there were questions as to whether the benefit is s=
ignificant enough to justify the cost, as well as what does it mean to defi=
ne Internet protocols that only work in a "controlled domain".
>
> I believe 6man is the right place for further discussions on this.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Sri
>> <with no chair hat>
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From: Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:47 AM, Arashmid Akhavain
<arashmid.akhavain@huawei.com> wrote:
> ID-LOC (SRV6, ILA, LISP, ILNP) would cover these use cases easily since U=
E ID remains the same no matter what access
> technology we use.

Right, but I haven't seen anyone suggest GTP-U or CAPWAP for that
list. There are more use cases now that seem to demand a more general
and common encapsulation technique.

Tom

> Without ID-LOC, there is always going to be a need for all sort of compli=
cated control plane hand over procedures.
> Also, we end up with n2 interworking issue as we add more access technolo=
gies to the mix.
>
> Arashmid
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tom Herbert [mailto:tom@quantonium.net]
> Sent: 27 March 2018 14:25
> To: Arashmid Akhavain <arashmid.akhavain@huawei.com>
> Cc: Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>; dmm@ietf.org
> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 DMM WG Meeting Notes #1
>
> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 11:08 AM, Arashmid Akhavain <arashmid.akhavain@hu=
awei.com> wrote:
>> Tom,
>> Are you referring to a use case where the UE moves between different acc=
ess technologies?
>>
> I think it's possible and should be a consideration. Countless devices ar=
e already regularly multihomed between WiFi and mobile.
>
> Tom
>
>
>> Arashmid
>>
>>> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work =
i.n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the u=
ser plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>>>
>> Rigtht so if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming =
device, what protocol are they going to use?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert
>> Sent: 27 March 2018 10:03
>> To: Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
>> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 DMM WG Meeting Notes #1
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 11:57 PM, Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@g=
mail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Tom,
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I couldn=E2=80=99t find clear advantage of GUE against GT=
P-U.
>>> (No offensive, please don=E2=80=99t get me wrong.)
>>>
>>> I couldn=E2=80=99t see GUE in NVO WG doc list. But I can see much more =
foo-over-UDP type encapsulation in IETF.
>>
>> It's not in nvo3, it's now WGLC in intarea. See draft-ietf-intarea-gue a=
nd draft-ietf-intarea-gue-extensions.
>>
>>> IMO Unified concept in that encapsulation doesn=E2=80=99t seem to work =
i.n that circumstance. When it comes to WiFi case, IETF has CAPWAP as the u=
ser plane protocol which is also a foo-over-UDP variation.
>>>
>> Rigtht so if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming =
device, what protocol are they going to use?
>>
>>> Nevertheless I think that that aspect would be a criteria for user plan=
e protocols comparison provided to 3GPP. But I don=E2=80=99t think it is go=
od idea that we provides 3GPP all kind of foo-over-UDP encapsulation protoc=
ols in IETF. It would be better to pick SRv6 and some generic foo-over-UDP =
protocol to be compared with GTP-U supported functionalities.
>>>
>> GUE is the generic foo-over-UDP protocol for that purpose.
>>
>>> Basic functionalities of GTP-U is that sequence number option, extensio=
n-headers, and multicast and those should be the part of criteria. IMO as y=
ou suggested, overhead size, performance, TE, extensibility and encryption =
would be good idea for the criteria in addition to the above fundamental on=
es.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> --satoru
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> 2018/03/27 11:51=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=
=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 6:30 PM, Satoru Matsushima
>>>> <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Thank you Tom for your suggestion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you think that GUE has some advantages against GTP-U?
>>>>
>>>> I believe so. GUE is designed to be a general purposed multi use
>>>> case encapsulation. The defined GUE extensions deal with problems
>>>> and provide features of encapsulation (header security,
>>>> fragmentation, payload security, checksum handling etc.). This is
>>>> done without resorting to expensive TLV processing. GUE also allows "p=
rivate data"
>>>> that could be used for use case specific info-- so TLVs or GTP
>>>> extensions could be encoded so in that sense it's a superset of GTP
>>>> functionality. As I mentioned, GUE has a mode for encapsulating IP
>>>> in UDP with minimal overhead (direct IP over UDP).
>>>>
>>>>> When it comes to foo over UDP capsulation, does GUE benefit user plan=
e beyond GTP-U?
>>>>>
>>>> I think so. Perhaps the biggest advantage is the GUE can be used
>>>> accross different use cases and technologies. It's generic protocol
>>>> so it could be used for multiple use cases in a mobile network. For
>>>> instance, a UE might talk to a a low latency service application via
>>>> GUE. To the server this looks much more like simple virtualization
>>>> or encapsulation and GUE includes potential optimizations.
>>>> Similarly, GUE also could be use to connect across different access
>>>> technologies that might not be 3GPP (like roaming between WIFI and a m=
obile network).
>>>> Conceptually, other IETF defined encapsulations could also be used
>>>> for this (e.g. IPIP, LISP, GRE, VXLAN), but GUE is specifically
>>>> designed to be multi use case, low overhead, but still extensible.
>>>>
>>>> We intend to use ILA in a similar multi-use case fashion, however
>>>> when encapsulation is required (like SR TE is needed, or we need an
>>>> encrypted tunnel) then I believe GUE is a good alternative for that
>>>> case to provide necessary functionality and extensibility.
>>>>
>>>> Tom
>>>>
>>>>>> 2018/03/27 9:16=E3=80=81Tom Herbert <tom@quantonium.net>=E3=81=AE=E3=
=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 9:27 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>>>>>> <sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> FYI. This is the notes that Carlos captured. Thank you Carlos!!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We are also waiting for Lyle to share his notes. Please review
>>>>>>> and comment, if you see any mistakes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default=
.
>>>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is some rationale for UDP encapsulation here to maximize
>>>>>> compatibility with the network and potentially intermediate nodes
>>>>>> like firewalls. For example, in the performance numbers that
>>>>>> Kalyani posted, the TPS for SR over IPIP routing was lower than
>>>>>> other encapsulations. The reason for this is that the particular
>>>>>> NIC (ixgbe) is not parsing over IPIP or using flow label to get a
>>>>>> good hash for RSS. This is symptomatic of network devices that
>>>>>> don't provide as good support for protocols outside of TCP and UDP.
>>>>>> There are likely routers that would not be able to provide flow
>>>>>> specific ECMP for similar reasons. There was a comment in dmm
>>>>>> meeting that ECMP for IPIP was expected to by solved by using flow
>>>>>> label in the hash. This is a great idea, but unfortunately there
>>>>>> is significant resistance to using flow label for this purpose
>>>>>> since it is not guaranteed to be persistent for a flow and that
>>>>>> can cause problems for stateful devices like firewalls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> UDP encapsulation is the typical answer to network protocol
>>>>>> compatibility. Several UDP encapsulation techniques have been
>>>>>> defined as well as some foo over UDP to run existing
>>>>>> encapsulations over UDP (e.g. MPLS/UDP, GRE/UDP).
>>>>>> draft-ietf-rtgwg-dt-encap gives a nice overview of considerations fo=
r UDP encap protocols.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If a UDP encapsulation is considered for use with SR, I would
>>>>>> suggest GUE is an option. GUE has some unique features:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - It's extensible (both common extensions are defined and allows
>>>>>> custom extensions per use case)
>>>>>> - It's generic (can encapsulate any IP protocol)
>>>>>> - It allows directly encapsulating IPv4 and IPv6 in UDP (to
>>>>>> minimize encapsulation overhead)
>>>>>> - It allows encapsulation of extension headers
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last point may be of particular interest to SR. SR over IPIP
>>>>>> might be more precarious compared to other encapsulations since it
>>>>>> introduces two "atypical" (i.e. not TCP or UDP) protocols. GUE
>>>>>> could be used to normalize SR packets to look like UDP to the
>>>>>> network. This might look something like:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IP|UDP|GUE|Routing_hdr|IP|payload
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The UDP and GUE header are effectively treated as routing shim at
>>>>>> each segment hop so SR is processed as without regard to the encapsu=
lation.
>>>>>> To intermediate nodes these packets looks like any other UDP
>>>>>> packet so there's no compatibility issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>
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Hi Tom,

I realize there have been some discussions, but I think its time to reopen
those discussion in 6MAN or wherever and find a way-forward. There is a
strong use-case now for such capability. I am not convinced that we cannot
find a work around. May be its about documentation on the potential issues
and with an IESG note on the considerations before enabling such mode. It
will be unfortunate, if we loose this basic capability of SRH insertion by
an on-path node.


Sri




On 3/27/18, 11:22 AM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:

>On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 10:27 AM, Uma Chunduri <uma.chunduri@huawei.com>
>wrote:
>> Hi Sri,
>>
>>         >
>>         > I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion
>>without the
>>         > need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments
>>within a
>>         > closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for
>>allowing
>>         > insertion of SRH by a on-path node.
>>
>> While I see you intention to see a way to reduce the RFC8200 encap
>>overhead;
>> for mobile/cellular environments  I see its paramount to have a
>>standardized solutions because
>> it's mostly multi-vendor equipment from most of the operators
>>deployments. Regardless if it's a closed administrative domain or not.
>>
>>
>> However, it might be fine if it is an inside a DC (for example DC
>>underlay) kind of  environment and  this exception could be made;
>> as the diversity of different vendor equipment can be less.
>>
>That story line has played out many times before. In a closed system
>like a DC there is always seems to be some motivation to deploy
>proprietary solutions. Often this is done for convenience and because
>something is viewed as something critically needed today. In the long
>run, this is self defeating. It is a lot of effort to maintain
>proprietary protocols, and even worse can force the network into
>vendor lock-in. It's almost always better to stick with open standards
>from day one even in closed systems.
>
>Tom
>
>>
>> But the best course still would be to have this documented clearly and
>>if possible do an update to RFC8200 @ 6man as pointed below by Tom.
>>
>> --
>> Uma C.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2018 8:05 AM
>> To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.com>
>> Cc: dmm@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF101 DMM WG Meeting Notes #1
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:17 AM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
>><sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/26/18, 5:16 PM, "Tom Herbert" <tom@quantonium.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> With regards to SR encapsulation: "this is using IP-in-IP as default.
>>>>> Why not using UDP encapsulation?"
>>>>
>>>
>>> I am really hoping we will be able to apply SRH insertion without the
>>> need for IP encapsulation. At least for mobile environments within a
>>> closed administrative domains, there should be exceptions for allowing
>>> insertion of SRH by a on-path node. I realize there are issues with
>>> ICMP error messages hitting the source etc, but we should be able to
>>> document those issues and specify work arounds. I understand there
>>> have been discussions on this topic before, but I hope authors will
>>> find some agreements for the same.
>>>
>> Sri,
>>
>> There's been quite a bit of discussion on this on 6man list with
>>reference to draft-voyer-6man-extension-header-insertion. The problem is
>>that extension header insertion would violate RFC8200: "Extension
>>headers (except for the Hop-by-Hop Options header) are not processed,
>>inserted, or deleted by any node along a packet's delivery path".
>>
>> In addition to the the protocol ramifications of doing this (dealing
>>with MTU, ICMP error, etc.) there were questions as to whether the
>>benefit is significant enough to justify the cost, as well as what does
>>it mean to define Internet protocols that only work in a "controlled
>>domain".
>>
>> I believe 6man is the right place for further discussions on this.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Sri
>>> <with no chair hat>
>>>
>>
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For untrusted access (Ex: 3GPP access over untrusted Wi-Fi), protocols
like IKEv2-IPsec/MIPv6-UDP (client based solutions) are possible
candidates; I agree with Charlie on that.  I realize there is work in
progress in 5G specs on these interfaces, but I do not see many new
options there.=20



Sri




On 3/27/18, 12:02 PM, "dmm on behalf of Charlie Perkins"
<dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of charles.perkins@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Hello Arashmid,
>
>> if a WiFi network needs to talk to 3GPP network for a roaming device,
>>what protocol are they going to use?
>
>They could use Mobile IPv6, which was designed for exactly this purpose.
>
>Do you think that would work?
>
>Regards,
>Charlie P.
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On Tue, Mar 27, 2018 at 7:30 PM, Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
<sgundave@cisco.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I realize there have been some discussions, but I think its time to reopen
> those discussion in 6MAN or wherever and find a way-forward. There is a
> strong use-case now for such capability. I am not convinced that we cannot
> find a work around. May be its about documentation on the potential issues
> and with an IESG note on the considerations before enabling such mode. It
> will be unfortunate, if we loose this basic capability of SRH insertion by
> an on-path node.
>
Sri,

Personally, I don't think the justification was all that strong.
AFAICT the only reason to do this is to save bytes of header. But the
savings aren't all that impressive. As pointed out previously, if you
use encapsulation for SR then the destination address eliminates the
need for one sid so the savings is at most 24 bytes. But in the case
there is only one sid (I belives that's 'traditional mode') the need
for the EH overhead is eliminated with encapsulation, so the savings
is only 16 bytes. Given that SR is pretty verbose to begin with (each
sid is 16 bytes), it's not clear to me at least that saving a some
bytes of encapsulation header is worth the effort of changing a
protocol that's now a full Internet standard.

Perhaps there's some other reason why header insertion is critically needed?

Tom


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The WGLC has now ended.  We will move the document forward.


Sri





From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of =
Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>>
Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 8:06 AM
To: "dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>" <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: [DMM] WGLC #3 for draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-13

Folks:

The following message commences a three week WGLC for  draft-ietf-dmm-ondem=
and-mobility-13.

The document went through several revisions and there were good amount of r=
eviews on this document.  The authors have addressed all the comments and t=
here are no open issues that we are tracking at this time. We believe the d=
ocument is ready for IESG reviews and like to confirm the same from the wor=
king group.

Please post any substantial comments on the draft. We plan to move this doc=
ument forward for IESG reviews.


Document Link:
 https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-13.txt


Authors:
Please (re) send some detailed notes on all the comments received in the re=
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s document forward for IESG reviews.</div>
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Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
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th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
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provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

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Hi,

I support making this draft a WG draft.

BR,
Danny

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Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 07:26
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Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
 up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In bo=
th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list.  Please =
provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

Pointer:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01


Regards
Sri

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 a DMM working group document. In both those occasions
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This adoption call will end by 11th of =
April, 2018.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Hi Sri,
recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and the aut=
hors already replied and promised consideration in next version -02 before =
London I would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.
Would this be possible to provide soon?
Other opinions?
Thanks!
Best Regards
Dirk
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26
To: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as D=
MM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
 up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In bo=
th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list.  Please =
provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

Pointer:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01


Regards
Sri


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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
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US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> =
dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26<br>
<b>To:</b> dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-=
01 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled t=
he room for their interest in taking up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as=
 a DMM working group document. In both those occasions
 there was good amount of support for taking up this work. The chairs would=
 like to confirm the same over the mailing list. &nbsp;Please provide your =
feedback on the same.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This adoption call will end by 11th of =
April, 2018.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
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Dear all,

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> On 28 Mar 2018, at 12:40, <Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de> =
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> Hi Sri,
> recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and =
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> Would this be possible to provide soon?
> Other opinions?
> Thanks!
> Best Regards
> Dirk=20
> From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org>] =
On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)
> Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=C3=A4rz 2018 06:26
> To: dmm@ietf.org <mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
> Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 =
as DMM WG document
> =20
> Folks:
> =20
> During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in =
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document. In both those occasions there was good amount of support for =
taking up this work. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the =
mailing list.  Please provide your feedback on the same.=20
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> This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.
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class=3D"">Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&gt; &lt;<a =
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11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Hi Sri,<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin:=
 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: =
11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">recalling that there have been some reviews on this version =
-01 and the authors already replied and promised consideration in next =
version -02 before London I would recommend to have this call on the new =
-02 version.<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Would this be possible to provide soon?<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: =
Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Other =
opinions?<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm =
0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" =
class=3D"">Thanks!<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div class=3D""><p =
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font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
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rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D""><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></p></div><div =
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3pt 0cm 0cm;" class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" =
class=3D""><b class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif;" class=3D""><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>dmm [<a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span></b>Sri Gundavelli =
(sgundave)<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>Mittwoch, 28. M=C3=A4rz =
2018 06:26<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span><a =
href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org" style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">dmm@ietf.org</a><br class=3D""><b =
class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">&nbsp;</span>[DMM] Call for adoption of =
draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as DMM WG document<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm =
0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, =
serif;" class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">Folks:<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" =
class=3D"">During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their =
interest in taking up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working =
group document. In both those occasions there was good amount of support =
for taking up this work. The chairs would like to confirm the same over =
the mailing list. &nbsp;Please provide your feedback on the =
same.&nbsp;<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">This adoption call =
will end by 11th of April, 2018.<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D"">Pointer:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: &quot;Times New =
Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 10.5pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><a =
href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01" =
style=3D"color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01<=
/a><o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: =
&quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10.5pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=3D""><o:p =
class=3D"">&nbsp;</o:p></span></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
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Hi,

Adopting a draft as a WG draft does not mean that we accept it as is and pl=
an not to improve it. It means that the WG agrees that it is something that=
 we want to work on and that it aligns with the WG charter.

So the fact that there are some fixes in the pipeline is irrelevant, in my =
opinion,  to the decision whether to adopt a draft or not. Clearly all comm=
ents must be addressed before WGLC, but we are not there yet.

My recommendation is to adopt the draft and continue working on it as a WG =
draft.

Regards,
Danny

From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.=
de
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 14:40
To: sgundave@cisco.com; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 =
as DMM WG document

Hi Sri,
recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and the aut=
hors already replied and promised consideration in next version -02 before =
London I would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.
Would this be possible to provide soon?
Other opinions?
Thanks!
Best Regards
Dirk
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26
To: dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as D=
MM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
 up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In bo=
th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list.  Please =
provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

Pointer:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01


Regards
Sri

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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Adopting a draft as a WG draft does n=
ot mean that we accept it as is and plan not to improve it. It means that t=
he WG agrees that it is something that we want
 to work on and that it aligns with the WG charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So the fact that there are some fixes=
 in the pipeline is irrelevant, in my opinion, &nbsp;to the decision whethe=
r to adopt a draft or not. Clearly all comments must
 be addressed before WGLC, but we are not there yet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My recommendation is to adopt the dra=
ft and continue working on it as a WG draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Danny<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a name=3D"_____replyseparator"></a><b><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</spa=
n></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-=
serif"> dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2018 14:40<br>
<b>To:</b> sgundave@cisco.com; dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-d=
lif-01 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Sri,</span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">recalling that there have been some r=
eviews on this version -01 and the authors already replied and promised con=
sideration in next version -02 before London I
 would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.</span><span lang=
=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Would this be possible to provide soo=
n?</span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Other opinions?</span><span lang=3D"D=
E"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks!</span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#1F497D">Best Regards<br>
Dirk </span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bou=
nces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-=
01 as DMM WG document</span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Folks:</span><span lang=3D"=
DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">During IETF 99 and IETF 100=
 we polled the room for their interest in taking up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmi=
pv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In both
 those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work. =
The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list. &nbsp;Plea=
se provide your feedback on the same.&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This adoption call will end=
 by 11th of April, 2018.</span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Pointer:</span><span lang=
=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://tools.ie=
tf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01</a></span><span lang=3D"DE"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Regards</span><span lang=3D=
"DE"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sri</span><span lang=3D"DE"=
><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
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HI Dirk,

Thanks for your feedback. I understand there have been some reviews and aut=
hors have not yet had a chance to update the I-D, but that should be OK. We=
 are taking up this draft as a starting point and the draft will evolve bas=
ed on the WG feedback. So, that should not be an issue.

Regards
Sri



From: "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>" <Dirk.von=
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Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:40 AM
To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>>, "dmm@ie=
tf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>" <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as DMM=
 WG document

Hi Sri,
recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and the aut=
hors already replied and promised consideration in next version -02 before =
London I would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.
Would this be possible to provide soon?
Other opinions?
Thanks!
Best Regards
Dirk
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26
To: dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as D=
MM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
 up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In bo=
th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list.  Please =
provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

Pointer:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01


Regards
Sri


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<div>HI Dirk,</div>
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<div>Thanks for your feedback. I understand there have been some reviews an=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>RE: Call for adoption of d=
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dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a=
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
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 a DMM working group document. In both those occasions
 there was good amount of support for taking up this work. The chairs would=
 like to confirm the same over the mailing list. &nbsp;Please provide your =
feedback on the same.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This adoption call will end by 11th of =
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Hi Sri, Danny
Thanks - you are right and I agree - also with what Danny said and I am in =
favor of adoption as WG draft!
Best Regards
Dirk
From: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 16:39
To: von Hugo, Dirk <Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as DMM=
 WG document

HI Dirk,

Thanks for your feedback. I understand there have been some reviews and aut=
hors have not yet had a chance to update the I-D, but that should be OK. We=
 are taking up this draft as a starting point and the draft will evolve bas=
ed on the WG feedback. So, that should not be an issue.

Regards
Sri



From: "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>" <Dirk.von=
-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>>
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:40 AM
To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>>, "dmm@ie=
tf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>" <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as DMM=
 WG document

Hi Sri,
recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and the aut=
hors already replied and promised consideration in next version -02 before =
London I would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.
Would this be possible to provide soon?
Other opinions?
Thanks!
Best Regards
Dirk
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26
To: dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as D=
MM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
 up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In bo=
th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list.  Please =
provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

Pointer:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01


Regards
Sri


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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Hi Sri, Danny<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Thanks - you are right and I agree &#8211; also with what Danny said a=
nd I am in favor of adoption as WG draft!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#1F497D">Best Regards<br>
Dirk </span><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> =
Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) [mailto:sgundave@cisco.com]
<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 16:39<br>
<b>To:</b> von Hugo, Dirk &lt;Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de&gt;; dmm@ietf.org<br=
>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01=
 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">HI Dirk,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks for your feedback. I understand =
there have been some reviews and authors have not yet had a chance to updat=
e the I-D, but that should be OK. We are taking
 up this draft as a starting point and the draft will evolve based on the W=
G feedback. So, that should not be an issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de">D=
irk.von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telek=
om.de">Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:40 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com">sgundav=
e@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01=
 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Hi Sri,</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and th=
e authors already replied and promised consideration
 in next version -02 before London I would recommend to have this call on t=
he new -02 version.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Would this be possible to provide soon?</span><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Other opinions?</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></=
p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN=
-US">Thanks!</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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argin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0cm;text-autospace:none">
<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best Regards<br>
Dirk </span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black"> dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-=
01 as DMM WG document</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Folks:</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled t=
he room for their interest in taking up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as=
 a DMM working group document. In both those occasions
 there was good amount of support for taking up this work. The chairs would=
 like to confirm the same over the mailing list. &nbsp;Please provide your =
feedback on the same.&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This adoption call will end by 11th of =
April, 2018.</span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span style=3D"color:black=
"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Pointer:</span><span style=3D"color:bla=
ck"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://tools.ietf.org/html/=
draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-berna=
rdos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01</a></span><span style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></=
span></p>
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I agree with Sri.  I also gave the authors some comments on this -01 revisi=
on but am fine if it gets addressed after it becomes a WG draft.

+1 for adopting as WG document.


Best Regards,


Akbar

From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:39 AM
To: Hugo, Dirk <Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 =
as DMM WG document

HI Dirk,

Thanks for your feedback. I understand there have been some reviews and aut=
hors have not yet had a chance to update the I-D, but that should be OK. We=
 are taking up this draft as a starting point and the draft will evolve bas=
ed on the WG feedback. So, that should not be an issue.

Regards
Sri



From: "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>" <Dirk.von=
-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>>
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:40 AM
To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>>, "dmm@ie=
tf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>" <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as DMM=
 WG document

Hi Sri,
recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and the aut=
hors already replied and promised consideration in next version -02 before =
London I would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.
Would this be possible to provide soon?
Other opinions?
Thanks!
Best Regards
Dirk
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26
To: dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as D=
MM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
 up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In bo=
th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list.  Please =
provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

Pointer:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01


Regards
Sri


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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">I agree with Sri.&nbsp; I also gave the authors som=
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ecomes a WG draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">&#43;1 for adopting as WG document.<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif">Akbar<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.o=
rg]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hugo, Dirk &lt;Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de&gt;; dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-d=
lif-01 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">HI Dirk,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks for your feedback. I understand =
there have been some reviews and authors have not yet had a chance to updat=
e the I-D, but that should be OK. We are taking
 up this draft as a starting point and the draft will evolve based on the W=
G feedback. So, that should not be an issue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sri<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,=
sans-serif;color:black">&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de">D=
irk.von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telek=
om.de">Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:40 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com">sgundav=
e@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01=
 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Sri,</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">recalling that there have been some r=
eviews on this version -01 and the authors already replied and promised con=
sideration in next version -02 before London I
 would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.</span><span lang=
=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Would this be possible to provide soo=
n?</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Other opinions?</span><span lang=3D"D=
E" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ca=
libri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks!</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;m=
argin-bottom:5.0pt;margin-left:0in;text-autospace:none">
<span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,sans-serif;co=
lor:#1F497D">Best Regards<br>
Dirk </span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
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0in 0in">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-=
size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"> dmm [<=
a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-=
01 as DMM WG document</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black">&nbsp;<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Folks:</span><span lang=3D"=
DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">During IETF 99 and IETF 100=
 we polled the room for their interest in taking up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmi=
pv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In both
 those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work. =
The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list. &nbsp;Plea=
se provide your feedback on the same.&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=
=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">This adoption call will end=
 by 11th of April, 2018.</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p=
></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"=
DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Pointer:</span><span lang=
=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><a href=3D"https://tools.ie=
tf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01</a></span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"co=
lor:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-fam=
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To: "Rahman, Akbar" <Akbar.Rahman@InterDigital.com>, "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" <sgundave@cisco.com>, "Hugo, Dirk" <Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>, "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.org>
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I think the document is ready for further progress.
+1 for adoption as WG document.

Regards,
-Xinpeng
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Rahman, Akbar
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2018 4:44 AM
To: Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave@cisco.com>; Hugo, Dirk <Dirk.von-Hu=
go@telekom.de>; dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 =
as DMM WG document

I agree with Sri.  I also gave the authors some comments on this -01 revisi=
on but am fine if it gets addressed after it becomes a WG draft.

+1 for adopting as WG document.


Best Regards,


Akbar

From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:39 AM
To: Hugo, Dirk <Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>>;=
 dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 =
as DMM WG document

HI Dirk,

Thanks for your feedback. I understand there have been some reviews and aut=
hors have not yet had a chance to update the I-D, but that should be OK. We=
 are taking up this draft as a starting point and the draft will evolve bas=
ed on the WG feedback. So, that should not be an issue.

Regards
Sri



From: "Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>" <Dirk.von=
-Hugo@telekom.de<mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de>>
Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:40 AM
To: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com<mailto:sgundave@cisco.com>>, "dmm@ie=
tf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>" <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: RE: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as DMM=
 WG document

Hi Sri,
recalling that there have been some reviews on this version -01 and the aut=
hors already replied and promised consideration in next version -02 before =
London I would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.
Would this be possible to provide soon?
Other opinions?
Thanks!
Best Regards
Dirk
From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Sri Gundavelli (sgunda=
ve)
Sent: Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26
To: dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01 as D=
MM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 99 and IETF 100 we polled the room for their interest in taking=
 up draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In bo=
th those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work=
. The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list.  Please =
provide your feedback on the same.

This adoption call will end by 11th of April, 2018.

Pointer:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01


Regards
Sri


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US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> =
dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rahman, Akbar<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 29, 2018 4:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) &lt;sgundave@cisco.com&gt;; Hugo, Dirk=
 &lt;Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de&gt;; dmm@ietf.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-d=
lif-01 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">I agree with Sri.&nbsp; I also gave =
the authors some comments on this -01 revision but am fine if it gets addre=
ssed after it becomes a WG draft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">&#43;1 for adopting as WG document.<=
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif">Best Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
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US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif"> =
dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a=
>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, March 28, 2018 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hugo, Dirk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de">Dirk.=
von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&gt;;
<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-d=
lif-01 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">HI Dirk,<o:p></o:p></spa=
n></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Thanks for your feedback=
. I understand there have been some reviews and authors have not yet had a =
chance to update the I-D, but that should be OK.
 We are taking up this draft as a starting point and the draft will evolve =
based on the WG feedback. So, that should not be an issue.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Regards<o:p></o:p></span=
></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Sri<o:p></o:p></span></p=
>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
</p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot=
;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:Dirk.von-Hug=
o@telekom.de">Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Dirk=
.von-Hugo@telekom.de">Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, March 28, 2018 at 3:40 AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Sri Gundavelli &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sgundave@cisco.com">sgundav=
e@cisco.com</a>&gt;, &quot;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>=
&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01=
 as DMM WG document<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi Sri,</span><span la=
ng=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">recalling that there h=
ave been some reviews on this version -01 and the authors already replied a=
nd promised consideration in next version -02 before
 London I would recommend to have this call on the new -02 version.</span><=
span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Would this be possible=
 to provide soon?</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Other opinions?</span>=
<span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Thanks!</span><span la=
ng=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot=
;,sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Best Regards<br>
Dirk </span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,s=
ans-serif;color:black"> dmm [<a href=3D"mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org">mailto=
:dmm-bounces@ietf.org</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Mittwoch, 28. M=E4rz 2018 06:26<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-=
01 as DMM WG document</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
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ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">Folks:</span><span lang=3D"=
DE" style=3D"color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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ily:&quot;Calibri&quot;,sans-serif;color:black">During IETF 99 and IETF 100=
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pv6-dlif- as a DMM working group document. In both
 those occasions there was good amount of support for taking up this work. =
The chairs would like to confirm the same over the mailing list. &nbsp;Plea=
se provide your feedback on the same.&nbsp;</span><span lang=3D"DE" style=
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tf.org/html/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01">https://tools.ietf.org/html=
/draft-bernardos-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-01</a></span><span lang=3D"DE" style=3D"co=
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Hello John,

If it would useful, I=E2=80=99d like to cooperate that GTP review work =
at user plane point of view. Thanks.


Cheers,
--satoru

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Thank you Behcet,

Ok, I was supposed that Alex is going to make a reference doc for GTP in =
IETF, and John is going to review GTP in ETSI.

As I mentioned at last DMM meeting, investigating GTP-U by IETF =
experts=E2=80=99s eyes is highly appreciated. Please see following link =
and find some GTP-U info. Maybe IETF-friendly style explanation is =
helpful for you. :-)

=
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/101/materials/slides-101-dmm-study-on=
-user-plane-protocol-at-3gpp-00


I=E2=80=99m really happy to cooperate with all people those who are =
interested in to work on it.

Best regards,
--satoru



> 2018/03/31 0:26=E3=80=81Behcet Sarikaya =
<sarikaya2012@gmail.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
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> Hi Satoru,
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> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Satoru Matsushima =
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> Hello John,
>=20
> If it would useful, I=E2=80=99d like to cooperate that GTP review work =
at user plane point of view. Thanks.
>=20
>=20
>=20
> Thanks for the offer but I think you are confused of what is going on =
below in the mails, so many people's mails including two John's, Jon =
Crowcroft and John Grant.
>=20
> Reviewing GTP is an idea we have in 5gangip and currently Alex is =
taking the lead.
> As a GTP expert you are welcome to join him.
>=20
> Alex has this ambitious idea of writing a draft (not an RFC, we do not =
write RFCs, some drafts become RFCs) on GTP which could be used as a =
reference to GTP in IETF (to enable the operators  to run GTP in IPv6).
>=20
> In our case, we encourage writing a requirements document for end to =
end privacy enabled mapping system for 5G for which the starting point =
should be the GTP and address the issues of tunneling and other aspects.
>=20
> I believe this has nothing to do with what is going on in dmm.
>=20
> Regards,
> Behcet
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> Cheers,
> --satoru
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> > 2018/03/29 19:38=E3=80=81John Grant <j@ninetiles.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=
=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 4:49 AM, Alexandre Petrescu =
<alexandre.petrescu at gmail.com>
> >  wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Le 23/03/2018 =C3=A0 09:08, Jon Crowcroft a =C3=A9crit :
> > is there a technical reason we can't just re-visit MIPv6 in 5g in =
2018?
> >
> > If it were up to me...
> >
> > To revisit, I would start looking at the tunnelling mechanism, =
identify
> > what's missing from GTP, or how is it too heavy.
> >
> > That's something we're looking at in ETSI ISG NGP =
http://www.etsi.org/technologies-clusters/technologies/next-generation-pro=
tocols
> >
> > There's also a one-day workshop on the topic in Cambridge at the end =
of April =
https://www.cambridgewireless.co.uk/events/uk5g-death-ip-realising-opportu=
nities-next-generat/
> > --
> > John Grant
> > Nine Tiles, Cambridge, England
> > +44 1223 862599 and +44 1223 511455
> >
> > http://www.ninetiles.com
> >
> >
> >
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