From nobody Wed Dec 5 09:18:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81717130E64 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 09:18:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VsYNFhCeJufe for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 09:18:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com [173.37.86.75]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E8BB130E77 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 09:18:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=8720; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1544030315; x=1545239915; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=UaQYBIht81WLtxr8Uy0s8QIt8T1BIacQzTelyrCOXCY=; b=keMGUEyKnRzIKP19cdREEgXPCB8QOr9XcyZcOX3FhxRi4W9JKrzdeYgF ZBgVccMfCGo8MzprgVxLHAPtceNjoKbRV+TZ+IQC6kbFYnB1IQClgqkLT D4WNZ9e3pdgmlZ7aF/v+xxnIzHtFy09rjSS2/3DSw+oknKBJwDwvpNBrI E=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0AuAABpBwhc/5FdJa1kHAEBAQQBAQc?= =?us-ascii?q?EAQGBUQcBAQsBgQ1NKWYPcycKjAiMDoINfJB6hVaBegsBASOESQKDESI0CQ0?= =?us-ascii?q?BAwEBAgEBAm0cAQuFPAEBAQEDHWwCAQgRAwECKAcyFAkIAgQTFIMOgR1kD6c?= =?us-ascii?q?rhDECgQ2EZAWMHheBQD+BEYJdNYMeAQEDgX6FGSICiUKFW5E5CQKHAYo/GIF?= =?us-ascii?q?bhRSKQIkJhGmKZQIRFIEnHziBVXAVgyeCUG0BAYddhT9BMYpEgR8BAQ?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,318,1539648000"; d="scan'208,217";a="491746844" Received: from rcdn-core-9.cisco.com ([173.37.93.145]) by rcdn-iport-4.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 05 Dec 2018 17:18:34 +0000 Received: from XCH-RCD-008.cisco.com (xch-rcd-008.cisco.com [173.37.102.18]) by rcdn-core-9.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wB5HIY9O009304 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:18:34 GMT Received: from xch-aln-008.cisco.com (173.36.7.18) by XCH-RCD-008.cisco.com (173.37.102.18) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:18:33 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-008.cisco.com ([173.36.7.18]) by XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com ([173.36.7.18]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:18:33 -0600 From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document Thread-Index: AQHUjL6MP5+WWafpHUikrynxUVcDgQ== Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 17:18:33 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.7.170905 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.188.51] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D82D483F2E04E4sgundaveciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.37.102.18, xch-rcd-008.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-9.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 17:18:49 -0000 --_000_D82D483F2E04E4sgundaveciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for all the feedback. The adoption call is now closed. We will revie= w the feedback and decide on the next steps. Sri From: dmm > on behalf of = Sri Gundavelli > Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:42 AM To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02= as DMM WG document Gentle reminder. The below adoption call will close next week, the 4th of = December, 2018. Please provide your feedback. Sri From: dmm > on behalf of = Sri Gundavelli > Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 4:34 PM To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as = DMM WG document Folks: During IETF 102 and 103, the authors of the document, draft-hmm-dmm-5g-upla= ne-analysis.txt have provided the overview of this document. The chairs fel= t there is good amount of work that went into the document and the analysis= has value. The document quality is very high. There was also generally goo= d feedback and interest for the work from the community. We are therefore c= onsidering adopting this document as a DMM WG document, to be moved on Info= rmational Standards track. There were also few concerns/comments on the 1.) Relevance of this document= to 3GPP in the immediate time frame 2.) Archival Value of the document 3.)= Target Audience - IETF or 3GPP. On #3, there was also a view that the document should be restructured to ma= ke it IETF focussed. With this background, we would like to ask the WG to = provide some feedback on their interest for this work. Please provide subst= antial comments as why this should be adopted, or why it should not be adop= ted. If there is interest, and if there are no other concerns from AD/IESG/= Others, then we may take up this work at some point. Draft Pointer: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis= -02 The adoption call will end on 4th of December, 2019. Regards Dapping & Sri --_000_D82D483F2E04E4sgundaveciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for all the feedback. The adoption call is now closed. We will = review the feedback and decide on the next steps.

Sri



From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sri Gundavelli= <sgundave@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 = at 10:42 AM
To: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.= org>
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoptio= n of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document

Gentle reminder.  The below adoption call will close next week, t= he 4th of December, 2018. Please provide your feedback. 


Sri



From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sri Gundavelli= <sgundave@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at= 4:34 PM
To: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.= org>
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of= draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 102 and 103, the authors of the document, draft-hmm-dmm-5g-upla= ne-analysis.txt have provided the overview of this document. The chairs fel= t there is good amount of work that went into the document and the analysis= has value. The document quality is very high. There was also generally good feedback and interest for the = work from the community. We are therefore considering adopting this documen= t as a DMM WG document, to be moved on Informational Standards track.  = ;

There were also few concerns/comments on the 1.) Relevance of this document= to 3GPP in the immediate time frame 2.) Archival Value of the document 3.)= Target Audience  - IETF or 3GPP. 
On #3, there was also a view that the document should be restructured to ma= ke it IETF focussed.  With this background, we would like to ask the W= G to provide some feedback on their interest for this work. Please provide = substantial comments as why this should be adopted, or why it should not be adopted. If there is interest, and if = there are no other concerns from AD/IESG/Others, then we may take up this w= ork at some point. 


The adoption call will end on 4th of= December, 2019.

Regards
Dapping & Sri
 --_000_D82D483F2E04E4sgundaveciscocom_-- From nobody Thu Dec 13 22:14:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA63131096 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:14:18 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.958 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.958 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LUcyDnSWSC5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:14:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com (rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com [173.37.86.73]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D59EE12D4EC for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 22:14:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=10799; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1544768055; x=1545977655; h=from:to:subject:date:message-id:references:in-reply-to: mime-version; bh=G9HD93JGJENbp5nYRAlB9Kgdu8mZon41e78w9QhnhdI=; b=WRLiww4U/2/ZSecrU9WH0Fcou6bkWoCxU7WFkbe2jcDql6MUG/Ml+2cH VAkvoBb0bJNvG+rfUtRIZEpFiSGa8RWFHLB+ioRO+wdzLN3Vq4yd2NRjy 8e015sc23gcoflnnWi9Ippupk88OspzdrOEvKm+w1uJfu++RKZEBt6NCF Y=; X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0ApAAB9SRNc/5pdJa1jHAEBAQQBAQc?= =?us-ascii?q?EAQGBUQcBAQsBgQ1NKWYPcycKjAuMEYINfJB/hVqBegsBASOESQKDAyI0CQ0?= =?us-ascii?q?BAwEBAgEBAm0cAQuFPAEBAQEDHWwCAQgRAwECKAcyFAkIAgQTFIMOgRxkD6g?= =?us-ascii?q?mhDECgQ2EagWMPheBQD+BEYJdNYMeAQEDgX6FGSICiSQshWFekQQJAocLiCa?= =?us-ascii?q?CJhiBXYUcilKJMIR2iwMCERSBJx84gVZwFYMnglBtAQGHXYU/QTGMTYEfAQE?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.56,351,1539648000"; d="scan'208,217";a="498639595" Received: from rcdn-core-3.cisco.com ([173.37.93.154]) by rcdn-iport-2.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 14 Dec 2018 06:14:14 +0000 Received: from XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com (xch-aln-010.cisco.com [173.36.7.20]) by rcdn-core-3.cisco.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id wBE6EEwU005296 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:14:14 GMT Received: from xch-aln-008.cisco.com (173.36.7.18) by XCH-ALN-010.cisco.com (173.36.7.20) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1395.4; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:14:13 -0600 Received: from xch-aln-008.cisco.com ([173.36.7.18]) by XCH-ALN-008.cisco.com ([173.36.7.18]) with mapi id 15.00.1395.000; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 00:14:13 -0600 From: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document Thread-Index: AQHUk3Q8DBISulsOYUylfbliL6Y5wQ== Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:14:13 +0000 Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: user-agent: Microsoft-MacOutlook/14.7.7.170905 x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [10.20.188.53] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_D83889952E0FF2sgundaveciscocom_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Outbound-SMTP-Client: 173.36.7.20, xch-aln-010.cisco.com X-Outbound-Node: rcdn-core-3.cisco.com Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 06:14:18 -0000 --_000_D83889952E0FF2sgundaveciscocom_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Folks - Sorry for the delay on this. Given the number of support votes for = the company I am affiliated with, I thought it would be best for my co-chai= r Dapeng reviews this feedback, and in consultation with the AD, makes the = decision on this. We will close it soon. Sri From: Sri Gundavelli > Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02= as DMM WG document Thanks for all the feedback. The adoption call is now closed. We will revie= w the feedback and decide on the next steps. Sri From: dmm > on behalf of = Sri Gundavelli > Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:42 AM To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02= as DMM WG document Gentle reminder. The below adoption call will close next week, the 4th of = December, 2018. Please provide your feedback. Sri From: dmm > on behalf of = Sri Gundavelli > Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 4:34 PM To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as = DMM WG document Folks: During IETF 102 and 103, the authors of the document, draft-hmm-dmm-5g-upla= ne-analysis.txt have provided the overview of this document. The chairs fel= t there is good amount of work that went into the document and the analysis= has value. The document quality is very high. There was also generally goo= d feedback and interest for the work from the community. We are therefore c= onsidering adopting this document as a DMM WG document, to be moved on Info= rmational Standards track. There were also few concerns/comments on the 1.) Relevance of this document= to 3GPP in the immediate time frame 2.) Archival Value of the document 3.)= Target Audience - IETF or 3GPP. On #3, there was also a view that the document should be restructured to ma= ke it IETF focussed. With this background, we would like to ask the WG to = provide some feedback on their interest for this work. Please provide subst= antial comments as why this should be adopted, or why it should not be adop= ted. If there is interest, and if there are no other concerns from AD/IESG/= Others, then we may take up this work at some point. Draft Pointer: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis= -02 The adoption call will end on 4th of December, 2019. Regards Dapping & Sri --_000_D83889952E0FF2sgundaveciscocom_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-ID: <09F10EE7024F8742BCA234DAEA21A0E7@emea.cisco.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Folks – Sorry for the delay on this. Given the number of support= votes for the company I am affiliated with, I thought it would be best for= my co-chair Dapeng reviews this feedback, and in consultation with the AD,= makes the decision on this. We will close it soon. 

Sri



From: Sri Gundavelli <sgundave@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 a= t 9:18 AM
To: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.= org>
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoptio= n of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document

Thanks for all the feedback. The adoption call is now closed. We will = review the feedback and decide on the next steps.

Sri



From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sri Gundavelli= <sgundave@cisco.com>
Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 = at 10:42 AM
To: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.= org>
Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoptio= n of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document

Gentle reminder.  The below adoption call will close next week, t= he 4th of December, 2018. Please provide your feedback. 


Sri



From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Sri Gundavelli= <sgundave@cisco.com>
Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at= 4:34 PM
To: "dmm@ietf.org" <dmm@ietf.= org>
Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of= draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document

Folks:

During IETF 102 and 103, the authors of the document, draft-hmm-dmm-5g-upla= ne-analysis.txt have provided the overview of this document. The chairs fel= t there is good amount of work that went into the document and the analysis= has value. The document quality is very high. There was also generally good feedback and interest for the = work from the community. We are therefore considering adopting this documen= t as a DMM WG document, to be moved on Informational Standards track.  = ;

There were also few concerns/comments on the 1.) Relevance of this document= to 3GPP in the immediate time frame 2.) Archival Value of the document 3.)= Target Audience  - IETF or 3GPP. 
On #3, there was also a view that the document should be restructured to ma= ke it IETF focussed.  With this background, we would like to ask the W= G to provide some feedback on their interest for this work. Please provide = substantial comments as why this should be adopted, or why it should not be adopted. If there is interest, and if = there are no other concerns from AD/IESG/Others, then we may take up this w= ork at some point. 


The adoption call will end on 4th of= December, 2019.

Regards
Dapping & Sri
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[157.107.19.59]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x127sm17595791pfd.156.2018.12.17.01.19.30 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:19:31 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Satoru Matsushima In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 18:19:28 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <381BB175-A810-42B8-9EE8-8D62E7E86E83@gmail.com> References: To: "dmm@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:19:37 -0000 Thank you Sri, and all, During that, let me make clear some questions and comments. First one: > So the purpose of this draft seems to explicitly be to do work for = 3GPP that they have explicitly said they DO NOT WANT. It=E2=80=99s wrong. In the LS of CP-173160 requested any information = regarding user plane. So please re-read the following: > 2. Actions: > To IETF DMM: > ACTION: CT4 respectfully asks IETF DMM to provide any = information that may be relevant to the above CT4 work by July 2018. >=20 And the LS of C4-185491 didn=E2=80=99t say they don=E2=80=99t want. It = just said that the evaluation criteria for the user plane protocol study = (FS_UPPS) in 5GC shall be defined by 3GPP CT4. It should be very natural = and responsible. Second one is that: > Particularly the discussion around slicing is very speculative. And = conclusion thereof that =E2=80=9CThe expected evaluation points from = this aspect should be whether the candidate protocols can support to = indicate a network slice in the UP packets.=E2=80=9D Firstly, IETF = doesn=E2=80=99t have any work on slicing, on the contrary. Secondly, the = need for such indication in the 3GPP has been discussed in the ongoing = 3GPP CT4 meeting this week with fully opposing views for such network = slice indication. (Network slicing is supported in 3GPP Rel-15 already, = and nothing new was defined in the user plane in Rel-15. There was no = need for that!) It looks not accurate view of the latest discussion in 3GPP CT4. CT4 = agreed not to introduce any NEW identifiers to indicate network slice = for 5GC and its transport. Existing identifiers can be expected for that = purpose in user plane. Hope it helps our understanding correct. Best regards, --satoru > 2018/12/14 15:14=E3=80=81Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) = =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB: >=20 > Folks =E2=80=93 Sorry for the delay on this. Given the number of = support votes for the company I am affiliated with, I thought it would = be best for my co-chair Dapeng reviews this feedback, and in = consultation with the AD, makes the decision on this. We will close it = soon.=20 >=20 > Sri >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Sri Gundavelli > Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM > To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document >=20 > Thanks for all the feedback. The adoption call is now closed. We will = review the feedback and decide on the next steps. >=20 > Sri >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli = > Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:42 AM > To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document >=20 > Gentle reminder. The below adoption call will close next week, the = 4th of December, 2018. Please provide your feedback.=20 >=20 >=20 > Sri >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli = > Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 4:34 PM > To: "dmm@ietf.org" > Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document >=20 > Folks: >=20 > During IETF 102 and 103, the authors of the document, = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis.txt have provided the overview of this = document. The chairs felt there is good amount of work that went into = the document and the analysis has value. The document quality is very = high. There was also generally good feedback and interest for the work = from the community. We are therefore considering adopting this document = as a DMM WG document, to be moved on Informational Standards track. =20 >=20 > There were also few concerns/comments on the 1.) Relevance of this = document to 3GPP in the immediate time frame 2.) Archival Value of the = document 3.) Target Audience - IETF or 3GPP.=20 > On #3, there was also a view that the document should be restructured = to make it IETF focussed. With this background, we would like to ask = the WG to provide some feedback on their interest for this work. Please = provide substantial comments as why this should be adopted, or why it = should not be adopted. If there is interest, and if there are no other = concerns from AD/IESG/Others, then we may take up this work at some = point.=20 >=20 > Draft Pointer: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 >=20 >=20 > The adoption call will end on 4th of December, 2019. >=20 >=20 > Regards > Dapping & Sri > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From nobody Mon Dec 17 03:07:26 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BBE71294D7 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:07:25 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3nfvTKCHAjP4 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf1-x432.google.com (mail-pf1-x432.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::432]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 596271286E7 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:07:23 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf1-x432.google.com with SMTP id c72so6201703pfc.6 for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:07:23 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ijzw03PZB2h8DatfJTRRyri5Me9Q00x+ON7rjL+cnyU=; b=EFr0VRmv4Ik8alZ95sl1C3ZSUqRuU102wJsyExw6Rabn3iUPaQgXq6EJp5KY7H4FQl UM0R15562unZ34xMm+h5dqgyc+EzXJ3IzRVUsdPu2H7Lzyuo5wP9RkSFqYfeiuU+Y89j o1bvPAqwVQ4hH6ocQ9hlTMaH6wByhfhKK0Um9LbCUot7LA5vJTar3NaudTyHmMjFhLHm 7TX2zUh5BfiXNwB6Cn1csIwsjJx5l1fzYo2qPDhMVj6Phtefo931jcUlywajkvGHSVDG jcfwWtnzWeW8zbhAO1buIDF4+Ct3g2fUqb+WiOhcg51+olAFQnmA2UGIFxefxDfVUKJM 4eOw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=Ijzw03PZB2h8DatfJTRRyri5Me9Q00x+ON7rjL+cnyU=; b=MAnCqQA5V9DsSmHRnAA5OISIUgLUcCm3+Db5f+RM8q4bxGc7m5PMDOA6kplBXNWcbQ sYrc/O2xltDweziYjuNHRed8JMUqFFlqccqK8BGQkHQkEHqybn4dF16t9elPPEdECE9B b/Md5tKQwNbFe/IK9h7GHCkFn2JKJ+29CAVCMnOsCuirYPdEY2uIamEDK5+8Qxck07A8 XVNXZc+QvzTaBj4Lu58I5wnu0xLh+EieLufcnIGL7T+9TE3xyIrP0BvJVdj16aZ0EuHI U5Z+qN206G0V1uxvghwtUfhYYa0OHm/OkEAsCe0yCixziWxeOwort3xRBuZohkdYbmIl 8ryg== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWbO4pzJaShmySk02KFQzY4DmKIRrxFAu89iEN6wqh5E2S+bvUj1 TS7YR4KiiPHS1X42av3G3RkhyCax X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/Wc2MAm6TEAKg4+JC9YLZC4V7ytPuIbUFO0wkd8v/ADCVzWlwdcuUL0a4aO2WB85mL/FuQ91Q== X-Received: by 2002:a63:4c04:: with SMTP id z4mr12025088pga.312.1545044841832; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:07:21 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2400:2411:8900::55c4:e97:f38d:d131? ([2400:2411:8900:0:55c4:e97:f38d:d131]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b9sm14727345pfi.118.2018.12.17.03.07.19 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 17 Dec 2018 03:07:20 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 11.5 \(3445.9.1\)) From: Satoru Matsushima In-Reply-To: <381BB175-A810-42B8-9EE8-8D62E7E86E83@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 20:07:17 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7D3848E5-865B-4CA1-BE61-F6AA3C1B22F0@gmail.com> References: <381BB175-A810-42B8-9EE8-8D62E7E86E83@gmail.com> To: "dmm@ietf.org" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.9.1) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2018 11:07:25 -0000 More precisely on the latter point, >=20 >> Particularly the discussion around slicing is very speculative. And = conclusion thereof that =E2=80=9CThe expected evaluation points from = this aspect should be whether the candidate protocols can support to = indicate a network slice in the UP packets.=E2=80=9D Firstly, IETF = doesn=E2=80=99t have any work on slicing, on the contrary. Secondly, the = need for such indication in the 3GPP has been discussed in the ongoing = 3GPP CT4 meeting this week with fully opposing views for such network = slice indication. (Network slicing is supported in 3GPP Rel-15 already, = and nothing new was defined in the user plane in Rel-15. There was no = need for that!) >=20 > It looks not accurate view of the latest discussion in 3GPP CT4. CT4 = agreed not to introduce any NEW identifiers to indicate network slice = for 5GC and its transport. Existing identifiers can be expected for that = purpose in user plane. 3GPP CT4 sees Network Slice consists of 5GC slice and transport slice = while what's the transport slice is out of scope. As the 5GC control = plane has maintained the context of 5GC slice, no identifier is needed = in user plane to indicate *5GC slice*. Existing identifiers like VIDs, = MPLS labels and IP addresses can be expected to indicate transport = slices if it exists. Cheers, --satoru >=20 >=20 > Hope it helps our understanding correct. >=20 > Best regards, > --satoru >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >> 2018/12/14 15:14=E3=80=81Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) = =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB: >>=20 >> Folks =E2=80=93 Sorry for the delay on this. Given the number of = support votes for the company I am affiliated with, I thought it would = be best for my co-chair Dapeng reviews this feedback, and in = consultation with the AD, makes the decision on this. We will close it = soon.=20 >>=20 >> Sri >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: Sri Gundavelli >> Date: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 at 9:18 AM >> To: "dmm@ietf.org" >> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document >>=20 >> Thanks for all the feedback. The adoption call is now closed. We will = review the feedback and decide on the next steps. >>=20 >> Sri >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli = >> Date: Wednesday, November 28, 2018 at 10:42 AM >> To: "dmm@ietf.org" >> Subject: Re: [DMM] Call for adoption of = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document >>=20 >> Gentle reminder. The below adoption call will close next week, the = 4th of December, 2018. Please provide your feedback.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Sri >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> From: dmm on behalf of Sri Gundavelli = >> Date: Tuesday, November 13, 2018 at 4:34 PM >> To: "dmm@ietf.org" >> Subject: [DMM] Call for adoption of = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 as DMM WG document >>=20 >> Folks: >>=20 >> During IETF 102 and 103, the authors of the document, = draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis.txt have provided the overview of this = document. The chairs felt there is good amount of work that went into = the document and the analysis has value. The document quality is very = high. There was also generally good feedback and interest for the work = from the community. We are therefore considering adopting this document = as a DMM WG document, to be moved on Informational Standards track. =20 >>=20 >> There were also few concerns/comments on the 1.) Relevance of this = document to 3GPP in the immediate time frame 2.) Archival Value of the = document 3.) Target Audience - IETF or 3GPP.=20 >> On #3, there was also a view that the document should be restructured = to make it IETF focussed. With this background, we would like to ask = the WG to provide some feedback on their interest for this work. Please = provide substantial comments as why this should be adopted, or why it = should not be adopted. If there is interest, and if there are no other = concerns from AD/IESG/Others, then we may take up this work at some = point.=20 >>=20 >> Draft Pointer: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-hmm-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-02 >>=20 >>=20 >> The adoption call will end on 4th of December, 2019. >>=20 >>=20 >> Regards >> Dapping & Sri >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >=20 From nobody Mon Dec 17 09:52:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9D4D130F1B for ; Mon, 17 Dec 2018 09:52:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -15.96 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-15.96 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-1.459, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, 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