From nobody Fri Mar 1 13:16:48 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BBD112D4F2; Fri, 1 Mar 2019 13:10:12 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: suresh@kaloom.com, dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.92.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155147461236.6101.5542961203559772897.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 13:10:12 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] dmm - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 104 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 21:10:26 -0000 Dear Sri Gundavelli, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. dmm Session 1 (2:00 requested) Tuesday, 26 March 2019, Morning Session I 0900-1100 Room Name: Athens/Barcelona size: 100 --------------------------------------------- iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/104/sessions/dmm.ics Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management Area Name: Internet Area Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 45 Conflicts to Avoid: People who must be present: Sri Gundavelli Suresh Krishnan Dapeng Liu Resources Requested: Special Requests: Please give us Monday or Tuesday slot. --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Mon Mar 4 04:16:12 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) 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List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 12:24:38 -0000 Hi Tom, Fair question. I believe I mentioned that in one of my responses. The original definition = was to use setsockopt() with new flags. However, some people raised the con= cern that this new feature changes the behavior of the function in a way th= at may confuse programmers and requested to use a new function (setsc()). The issue was due to the time it takes the function to process the request.= In current Socket implementation, setsockopt() is a function that returns = immediately to the caller. On the other hand, this new feature may trigger = an exchange of packets between the IP stack in the mobile node and the netw= ork allocating the IP prefix. This exchange takes time and the function can= return only after the exchange is completed. They insisted that we maintai= n the current 'immediate' return behavior of setsockopt() and introduce a n= ew function that might 'block' the calling thread until it completes. Regards, Danny -----Original Message----- From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 22:08 To: dmm Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt Out of curiosity, why is the new API being portrayed as a system call (setsc) instead of a socket option (the bar for adding a socket option is m= uch lower ). Tom On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 6:19 AM wrote: > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of th= e IETF. > > Title : On Demand Mobility Management > Authors : Alper Yegin > Danny Moses > Seil Jeon > Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > Pages : 18 > Date : 2019-02-22 > > Abstract: > Applications differ with respect to whether they need session > continuity and/or IP address reachability. The network providing the > same type of service to any mobile host and any application running > on the host yields inefficiencies, as described in [RFC7333]. This > document defines a new concep of enabling applications to influence > the network's mobility services (session continuity and/or IP address > reachability) on a per-Socket basis, and suggests extensions to the > networking stack's API to accomodate this concept. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility > -17 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.iet= f.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm _______________________________________________ dmm mailing list dmm@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm --------------------------------------------------------------------- A member of the Intel Corporation group of companies This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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From nobody Mon Mar 4 07:17:00 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23BF8131055 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 07:16:59 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_MED=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=quantonium-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3wkVkchl9og0 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 07:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-wm1-x331.google.com (mail-wm1-x331.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::331]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4E4EE130FCF for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2019 07:16:56 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-wm1-x331.google.com with SMTP id g20so5032872wmh.5 for ; Mon, 04 Mar 2019 07:16:56 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=quantonium-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FM/p/CRAJthzwS+P5mf9nncGkdiGaJ09swxvcEdBBe8=; b=xbdRU+ZcYrzgYFm8SRlQN5aBTkQKnam8w/KWFAXm0WiTrPiCua9j2yNK3N7Zu7P3+P 2U3CrVTyO3MYuswGF7NMYjOi0GPeaf3/vqEPiKMVoCbrNrBVhmNpsBgb2nh4LDe1rii3 G2osR8iqB/44NtGvP8vj5wVtnXUMNiySuP/O+4DvBtxIVUp7qp54ja5vvgHXUkNp7gbc tuGwH7TBLMqsVq9p3u5HB9L05J/Qp7LgJRpuMPuF4ZnERpnZYhTkrXixTKWCWWrRhxe+ jaur6EMLUNlud56OIujRB1MjwVU5K+CigXz5/wYC195hBFK27Yz2kWGmr7WEkjJIcw6+ xP4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=FM/p/CRAJthzwS+P5mf9nncGkdiGaJ09swxvcEdBBe8=; b=Vgualkb/tAGHhCy7kYfLItnUOOTGZH32aBnSrkkOANPwXr911UR+MQdlRHDy/IuERH HAEpO/QkQrluu6uY1qsdUDL4FKS3KnFL4NksvRshPpnJNEYk1lGtyZUVlR7l3WE1EWzo gFry/pvCdycdwmpmd0+g1br/VO9lM94qTHFl/a85GW9miz0cYOhw87r849ub6uv1lpl5 c5WG4FATnZ9WO6YDv6feXjCQ/hqlKL81/ET6c1IW2Rr5JxCv5Y/4ZvGHQZ4NFzFOetdq lk0+AGUA3Z2VbaYGDmgOd8K4B0LzJQQtNi4oNFPtyV6GWJ0sfXTQwQZ0D3Ewju2f4N22 7lvA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAVArD/zv+iUB/ZMVi2oRivxBCjRPO++DxWcItr/d54ZQT9H231L Hbq/JQItI2UdGPZ4e/rDbh6thHaTYYhbVduabWfOfg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy8H2XcvN53dwvLeuzVtOwx7aTNWN9R7vhyw4SepLW0qeuTzhFDCYTi7w7MZaGkkcYQOBldpt04GsXfGDhpe/o= X-Received: by 2002:a1c:6684:: with SMTP id a126mr9405466wmc.47.1551712614161; Mon, 04 Mar 2019 07:16:54 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <155084512373.5443.16190139225888494776@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Tom Herbert Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2019 07:16:43 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Moses, Danny" Cc: dmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2019 15:16:59 -0000 On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:25 AM Moses, Danny wrote: > > Hi Tom, > > Fair question. > > I believe I mentioned that in one of my responses. The original definitio= n was to use setsockopt() with new flags. However, some people raised the c= oncern that this new feature changes the behavior of the function in a way = that may confuse programmers and requested to use a new function (setsc()). > > The issue was due to the time it takes the function to process the reques= t. In current Socket implementation, setsockopt() is a function that return= s immediately to the caller. On the other hand, this new feature may trigge= r an exchange of packets between the IP stack in the mobile node and the ne= twork allocating the IP prefix. This exchange takes time and the function c= an return only after the exchange is completed. They insisted that we maint= ain the current 'immediate' return behavior of setsockopt() and introduce a= new function that might 'block' the calling thread until it completes. > Hi Danny, It is unclear to me why address selection has to be done outside of binding the socket. It seems like the required functionality of the draft could be achieved by calling setsockopt to express desired address type and then calling connect on the socket. Connect will bind an address with the requested type and can obviously block if work needs to be done to find an appropriate address. This simplifies the API and addresses an ambiguity in the draft-- when setsc returns it is unclear if the address was somehow reserved for the socket use (e.g. this becomes pertinent if we were to add an interface to bind a unique address to a socket). Tom > Regards, > Danny > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 22:08 > To: dmm > Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > Out of curiosity, why is the new API being portrayed as a system call > (setsc) instead of a socket option (the bar for adding a socket option is= much lower ). > > Tom > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 6:19 AM wrote: > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of = the IETF. > > > > Title : On Demand Mobility Management > > Authors : Alper Yegin > > Danny Moses > > Seil Jeon > > Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > Pages : 18 > > Date : 2019-02-22 > > > > Abstract: > > Applications differ with respect to whether they need session > > continuity and/or IP address reachability. The network providing th= e > > same type of service to any mobile host and any application running > > on the host yields inefficiencies, as described in [RFC7333]. This > > document defines a new concep of enabling applications to influence > > the network's mobility services (session continuity and/or IP addres= s > > reachability) on a per-Socket basis, and suggests extensions to the > > networking stack's API to accomodate this concept. > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility/ > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility > > -17 > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17 > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.i= etf.org. > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dmm mailing list > > dmm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > A member of the Intel Corporation group of companies > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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Tue, 5 Mar 2019 08:25:31 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Moses, Danny" Cc: dmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2019 16:25:48 -0000 On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:29 AM Moses, Danny wrote: > > Can you please provide a calling sequence of your proposal? > Something like: s =3D socket(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, 0) ; setsockopt(s, IPPROTO_IP, PREFERRED_ADDRESS_TYPE, IPV6_REQUIRE_SESSION_LASTING_IP) if (connect(s, &serverInfo, sizeof(serverInfo)) < 0) { if (errno =3D=3D EADDRNOTAVAIL) { // Didn't get address for requested type } ... } // To get address local address that was selected... getsockname(s, &myaddr, &myaddrlen); > Thanks, > Danny > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Herbert [mailto:tom@quantonium.net] > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 17:17 > To: Moses, Danny > Cc: dmm > Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:25 AM Moses, Danny wrote= : > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > Fair question. > > > > I believe I mentioned that in one of my responses. The original definit= ion was to use setsockopt() with new flags. However, some people raised the= concern that this new feature changes the behavior of the function in a wa= y that may confuse programmers and requested to use a new function (setsc()= ). > > > > The issue was due to the time it takes the function to process the requ= est. In current Socket implementation, setsockopt() is a function that retu= rns immediately to the caller. On the other hand, this new feature may trig= ger an exchange of packets between the IP stack in the mobile node and the = network allocating the IP prefix. This exchange takes time and the function= can return only after the exchange is completed. They insisted that we mai= ntain the current 'immediate' return behavior of setsockopt() and introduce= a new function that might 'block' the calling thread until it completes. > > > Hi Danny, > > It is unclear to me why address selection has to be done outside of bindi= ng the socket. It seems like the required functionality of the draft could = be achieved by calling setsockopt to express desired address type and then = calling connect on the socket. Connect will bind an address with the reques= ted type and can obviously block if work needs to be done to find an approp= riate address. This simplifies the API and addresses an ambiguity in the dr= aft-- when setsc returns it is unclear if the address was somehow reserved = for the socket use (e.g. > this becomes pertinent if we were to add an interface to bind a unique ad= dress to a socket). > > Tom > > > Regards, > > Danny > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 22:08 > > To: dmm > > Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > > > Out of curiosity, why is the new API being portrayed as a system call > > (setsc) instead of a socket option (the bar for adding a socket option = is much lower ). > > > > Tom > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 6:19 AM wrote: > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts di= rectories. > > > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG o= f the IETF. > > > > > > Title : On Demand Mobility Management > > > Authors : Alper Yegin > > > Danny Moses > > > Seil Jeon > > > Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > > Pages : 18 > > > Date : 2019-02-22 > > > > > > Abstract: > > > Applications differ with respect to whether they need session > > > continuity and/or IP address reachability. The network providing = the > > > same type of service to any mobile host and any application runnin= g > > > on the host yields inefficiencies, as described in [RFC7333]. Thi= s > > > document defines a new concep of enabling applications to influenc= e > > > the network's mobility services (session continuity and/or IP addr= ess > > > reachability) on a per-Socket basis, and suggests extensions to th= e > > > networking stack's API to accomodate this concept. > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility/ > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17 > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobili > > > ty > > > -17 > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-= 1 > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools= .ietf.org. > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dmm mailing list > > > dmm@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > > > _______________________________________________ > > dmm mailing list > > dmm@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > A member of the Intel Corporation group of companies > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for > > the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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boundary="_000_DM5PR05MB29222F7EC72FDA9A31175B7AA4730DM5PR05MB2922namp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: sprint.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: ec7d769b-d833-4a8e-2804-08d6a1e4d059 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Mar 2019 03:35:43.8702 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4f8bc0ac-bd78-4bf5-b55f-1b31301d9adf X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM5PR05MB3643 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] Light review of draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-12 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 03:35:56 -0000 --_000_DM5PR05MB29222F7EC72FDA9A31175B7AA4730DM5PR05MB2922namp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dirk, It is not difficult to extend FPC for BNG as most of the rules are similar = in structure. My team built an FPC agent and we are now building Sx (3GPP= CUPS PFCP) but it is at best a subset of FPC and has some holes. I am uns= ure I would materially update FPC based on what I have learned implementing= the Sx protocol PFCP. Generally extending the forward actions and filters, assuming you actually = need to extend beyond the filter-rule which is based on RFC 5777 and a very= generic structure, is not a difficult task. The base structure is quite g= eneric but many people get hung up on the 3GPP support and extensions later= in the spec. The spec can be overwhelming as the use cases for forwarding, integration w= ith charging, ID allocation for forward, etc, is not trivial. Lyle ________________________________ From: dmm on behalf of Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 12:49:04 PM To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es; lyleb551144@gmail.com; marco.liebsch@netlab.nec.de Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] Light review of draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-12 CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not cli= ck links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the c= ontent is safe. Dear all, searching for update on this (meanwhile expired) draft I only found the 103= minutes quoting Charlie with " We should get a solid architectural and inf= ormational yang that should be applicable." I also read Carlos' comment on more general applicability and wonder whethe= r the topic of CUPS addressed might also apply to the recently approved BoF= at #104 on BNG Control-plane And User-plane Separation (https://na01.safel= inks.protection.outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fwg%= 2Fbcause%2Fabout%2F&data=3D02%7C01%7Clyle.t.bertz%40sprint.com%7C6e37a6= bda84549e8c97708d6a19b4837%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636= 874085646715585&sdata=3D700Fi5IEAkBMenqn1ecqN9kzWOzDtZ5IziwBGhQngrg%3D&= amp;reserved=3D0) as a 'disruptive approach' ;-) BBF in liaison with 3GPP on 5GWWC (FMC) might also search for a more univer= sal approach to DP/UP nodes as BNG ... What do you think? Kind regards Dirk -----Original Message----- From: dmm On Behalf Of Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardos Cano Sent: Samstag, 3. November 2018 04:59 To: Lyle Bertz ; Marco Liebsch Cc: dmm Subject: [DMM] Light review of draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-12 Hi Lyle, Marco, I committed to perform a review of the FPC draft. Though I have not been ab= le to perform an in-depth one in time for Bangkok, please find attached a l= ight one (among other things, I have not gone through the annexes). I don't have major comments. I think the use of normative text should be im= proved, as there are parts that are not clear if the text is supposed to be= normative or not. Thanks, talk to you next week. 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Dirk,


It is not difficult to extend FPC= for BNG as most of the rules are similar in structure.   My team= built an FPC agent and we are now building Sx (3GPP CUPS PFCP) but it is a= t best a subset of FPC and has some holes.  I am unsure I would materially update FPC based on what I have learned imp= lementing the Sx protocol PFCP.


Generally extending the forward a= ctions and filters, assuming you actually need to extend beyond the filter-= rule which is based on RFC 5777 and a very generic structure, is not a diff= icult task.  The base structure is quite generic but many people get hung up on the 3GPP support and extensio= ns later in the spec. 


The spec can be overwhelming as t= he use cases for forwarding, integration with charging, ID allocation for f= orward, etc, is not trivial.  


Lyle



From: dmm <dmm-bounces@i= etf.org> on behalf of Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom.de <Dirk.von-Hugo@telekom= .de>
Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2019 12:49:04 PM
To: cjbc@it.uc3m.es; lyleb551144@gmail.com; marco.liebsch@netlab.nec= .de
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [DMM] Light review of draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-12
 
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Dear all,
searching for update on this (meanwhile expired) draft I only found the 103= minutes quoting Charlie with " We should get a solid architectural an= d informational yang that should be applicable."
I also read Carlos' comment on more general applicability and wonder whethe= r the topic of CUPS addressed might also apply to the recently approved BoF= at #104 on BNG Control-plane And User-plane Separation (https://na01.safelinks.protection.= outlook.com/?url=3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fdatatracker.ietf.org%2Fwg%2Fbcause%2Fabout= %2F&amp;data=3D02%7C01%7Clyle.t.bertz%40sprint.com%7C6e37a6bda84549e8c9= 7708d6a19b4837%7C4f8bc0acbd784bf5b55f1b31301d9adf%7C0%7C0%7C636874085646715= 585&amp;sdata=3D700Fi5IEAkBMenqn1ecqN9kzWOzDtZ5IziwBGhQngrg%3D&amp;= reserved=3D0) as a 'disruptive approach' ;-)
BBF in liaison with 3GPP on 5GWWC (FMC) might also search for a more univer= sal approach to DP/UP nodes as BNG ...
What do you think?
Kind regards
Dirk


-----Original Message-----
From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Carlos Jes=FAs Bernardo= s Cano
Sent: Samstag, 3. November 2018 04:59
To: Lyle Bertz <lyleb551144@gmail.com>; Marco Liebsch <marco.liebs= ch@netlab.nec.de>
Cc: dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: [DMM] Light review of draft-ietf-dmm-fpc-cpdp-12

Hi Lyle, Marco,

I committed to perform a review of the FPC draft. Though I have not been ab= le to perform an in-depth one in time for Bangkok, please find attached a l= ight one (among other things, I have not gone through the annexes).

I don't have major comments. I think the use of normative text should be im= proved, as there are parts that are not clear if the text is supposed to be= normative or not.

Thanks, talk to you next week.

Carlos
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APXvYqxGT+uIb4OOLPuLVLuqYfsJDAYZmYVF9jXA70QfJPr+JhGquY9+FuB0EWli0v5nu8tyBN+Zx5+OVeEsSb7fSS0= X-Received: by 2002:adf:ee0f:: with SMTP id y15mr3343477wrn.197.1551887263079; Wed, 06 Mar 2019 07:47:43 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <155084512373.5443.16190139225888494776@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: From: Tom Herbert Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 07:47:32 -0800 Message-ID: To: "Moses, Danny" Cc: dmm Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2019 15:47:49 -0000 On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 3:05 AM Moses, Danny wrote: > > Yes, now I see your point. Setsockopt() will trigger the exchange of pack= ets between the mobile host and the network to allocate the desired prefix = (if not already allocated), and connect() will be blocked until the prefix = is allocated and the TCP handshaking is completed. > > Some pros and cons that come to mind are: > Pros: > Setsockopt() is still non-blocking. > Non need to pass the address as a parameter. > No need for defining a new function. > > Conns: > It is not clear how the connect() should act if the desired address type = is not allocated by the network. Should it still connect with the address a= vailable to the host or should it fail? It should fail with EADDRNOTAVAIL. If the application wants to fallback to any available address it can do that itself when the error is returned. > If it continues to connect, the application is not aware of the type of m= obility service it will receive from the network. > If it should not connect, we are changing the definition of the behavior = of connect(). Furthermore, applications that do not care about mobility ser= vice, will use connect() without setsockopt(). So now, connect() need to kn= ow whether or not setsockopt() was invoked for setting the desired mobility= service type - also a new functionality of connect(). > It will not work for UDP (were connect() is not invoked). However, this i= s not a strong conn, since we can define that as a default address type for= UDP sockets should be 'non-persistent'. bind can be called in that case for the same effect. > > When the concern regarding the 'blocking' nature of setsockopt() was disc= ussed in DMM, we provided several alternatives for resolution, and after so= me discussion, the one defined in the document was chosen. > > Your alternative is also viable, but it is not clear to me that it is sig= nificantly better and is worth reopening the discussion once again in DMM. = But, our correspondence is on the list and everyone is welcome to post an o= pinion. Danny, The problem is that this is API and not protocol being standardized-- it may or may not be adopted by implementations. Adding a new socket call is a big deal. You'll need to justify that this it is necessary and that the functionality can't be acheived with existing API. I would suggest that you post patches for this to Linux netdev to get feedback from the developer community. Tom > > Regards, > Danny > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Herbert [mailto:tom@quantonium.net] > Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2019 18:26 > To: Moses, Danny > Cc: dmm > Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > On Tue, Mar 5, 2019 at 2:29 AM Moses, Danny wrote= : > > > > Can you please provide a calling sequence of your proposal? > > > > Something like: > > s =3D socket(AF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, 0) ; > setsockopt(s, IPPROTO_IP, PREFERRED_ADDRESS_TYPE, > IPV6_REQUIRE_SESSION_LASTING_IP) > if (connect(s, &serverInfo, sizeof(serverInfo)) < 0) { > if (errno =3D=3D EADDRNOTAVAIL) { > // Didn't get address for requested type > } > ... > } > > // To get address local address that was selected... > getsockname(s, &myaddr, &myaddrlen); > > > > Thanks, > > Danny > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Herbert [mailto:tom@quantonium.net] > > Sent: Monday, March 04, 2019 17:17 > > To: Moses, Danny > > Cc: dmm > > Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > > > On Mon, Mar 4, 2019 at 4:25 AM Moses, Danny wro= te: > > > > > > Hi Tom, > > > > > > Fair question. > > > > > > I believe I mentioned that in one of my responses. The original defin= ition was to use setsockopt() with new flags. However, some people raised t= he concern that this new feature changes the behavior of the function in a = way that may confuse programmers and requested to use a new function (setsc= ()). > > > > > > The issue was due to the time it takes the function to process the re= quest. In current Socket implementation, setsockopt() is a function that re= turns immediately to the caller. On the other hand, this new feature may tr= igger an exchange of packets between the IP stack in the mobile node and th= e network allocating the IP prefix. This exchange takes time and the functi= on can return only after the exchange is completed. They insisted that we m= aintain the current 'immediate' return behavior of setsockopt() and introdu= ce a new function that might 'block' the calling thread until it completes. > > > > > Hi Danny, > > > > It is unclear to me why address selection has to be done outside of bin= ding the socket. It seems like the required functionality of the draft coul= d be achieved by calling setsockopt to express desired address type and the= n calling connect on the socket. Connect will bind an address with the requ= ested type and can obviously block if work needs to be done to find an appr= opriate address. This simplifies the API and addresses an ambiguity in the = draft-- when setsc returns it is unclear if the address was somehow reserve= d for the socket use (e.g. > > this becomes pertinent if we were to add an interface to bind a unique = address to a socket). > > > > Tom > > > > > Regards, > > > Danny > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Tom Herbert > > > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2019 22:08 > > > To: dmm > > > Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: > > > draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > > > > > Out of curiosity, why is the new API being portrayed as a system > > > call > > > (setsc) instead of a socket option (the bar for adding a socket optio= n is much lower ). > > > > > > Tom > > > > > > On Fri, Feb 22, 2019 at 6:19 AM wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > > > > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG= of the IETF. > > > > > > > > Title : On Demand Mobility Management > > > > Authors : Alper Yegin > > > > Danny Moses > > > > Seil Jeon > > > > Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17.txt > > > > Pages : 18 > > > > Date : 2019-02-22 > > > > > > > > Abstract: > > > > Applications differ with respect to whether they need session > > > > continuity and/or IP address reachability. The network providin= g the > > > > same type of service to any mobile host and any application runn= ing > > > > on the host yields inefficiencies, as described in [RFC7333]. T= his > > > > document defines a new concep of enabling applications to influe= nce > > > > the network's mobility services (session continuity and/or IP ad= dress > > > > reachability) on a per-Socket basis, and suggests extensions to = the > > > > networking stack's API to accomodate this concept. > > > > > > > > > > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility/ > > > > > > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility-17 > > > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobi > > > > li > > > > ty > > > > -17 > > > > > > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > > > > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobilit= y > > > > -1 > > > > 7 > > > > > > > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > > > > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at too= ls.ietf.org. > > > > > > > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > > > > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > dmm mailing list > > > > dmm@ietf.org > > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > dmm mailing list > > > dmm@ietf.org > > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > - A member of the Intel Corporation group of companies > > > > > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material > > > for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). 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[122.210.140.66]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b138sm8873793pfb.48.2019.03.10.00.28.11 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 10 Mar 2019 00:28:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Kentaro Ebisawa" To: dmm@ietf.org Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 08:28:11 +0000 Message-Id: Reply-To: "Kentaro Ebisawa" User-Agent: eM_Client/7.1.30646.0 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] review comment to SRv6-mobile-uplane draft (Kentaro Ebisawa) X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2019 08:28:17 -0000 Hi, Sorry for taking long ... here's my review comments to=20 SRv6-mobile-uplane draft promised at Bangkok meeting. > 5. User-plane behaviors Could we add the drop in mode (GTP/SRv6/GTP translation) which Arashmid=20 has presented in IETF103? https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-dmm-a-smooth-= migration-of-mobile-core-user-plane-from-gtp-to-srv6-00 I think this mode would be useful as a use case using SRv6/GTP=20 translation with minimum modification of existing Control Plane and=20 eNB/gNB. If we could, I think having "Enhanced drop in mode" (or any name) with=20 same topology but have SRGW insert SRH would be usefullas a way to=20 introduce SRv6 features with minimum modification. > 6.6. T.M.Tmap I think the name of the function should be changed in line with=20 End.M.GTP6.D since this is specific to GTP/IPv4. For example, T.M.GTP4.D, just like End.M.GTP4.E / End.M.GTP6.E pair. We assume Message Type is GTPMSG_TPDU(255) and cannot translate GTP ping=20 which use GTPMSG_ECHO(1), GTPMSG_ECHOREPLY(2). Should we add capability=20 to translate GTP ECHO* to ICMP6* or at store GTP Message Type to some=20 place? Both UDP Source / Dest port number will be lost. I think it's OK to lose Dest port number, but have we considered anyone=20 using UDP Source address, say for entropy? > 6.5. End.M.GTP4.E > ... > 1. IF NH=3DSRH & SL > 0 THEN > 2. decrement SL > 3. update the IPv6 DA with SRH[SL] > 4. pop the SRH > 5. push UDP/GTP headers with tunnel ID from S > 6. push outer IPv4 header with SA, DA from S > 7. ELSE > 8. Drop the packet Since this is the last segment wich decapsulates SRv6 and encaps with=20 GTP/IPv4, I think there would be two types of (valid) packets=20 End.M.GTP4.E sgment could recive. 1. IPv6 with no SRH (as a result of PSP etc) 2. IPv6 with SRH whose SL =3D=3D 0 (last segment) Unless I'm missing something, I think the pseudo code should be modified=20 based on above assumptions. 1. IF (NH=3DSRH & SL =3D 0) or (NH=3DIPIP & no SRH) THEN 2. store DA in variable S 3. pop IP header and all its extension headers 5. push UDP/GTP headers with tunnel ID from S 6. push outer IPv4 header with SA, DA from S 7. ELSE 8. Drop the packet > 6.6. T.M.Tmap amd 6.5. End.M.GTP4.E Could we consider having PREFIX length longer than 32 bits? I know most (mobile) operators would no have issue using 32 bit PREFIX=20 for GTP/SRv6 translation. But there might be cases when we want to use PREFIX longer than 32 bits.=20 For example, if network is operated by smaller organization like MVNO,=20 Private LTE. Have you ever considered it? I have some idea if others think it's worth considering. -- Mailing List : Kentaro Ebisawa Work : Kentaro Ebisawa Principal Researcher | Toyota InfoTechnology Center Co., Ltd. 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End.MAP pesudo code (SRv6-mobile-uplane) X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 06:27:47 -0000 Hi, I have a few questions in regards to "6.2 End.MAP pesudo code". * Looks like "IF" line is missing? (It has ELSE) * What is "segment_list" on line 3? Is it segment list of the original packet, or is it new segment list of the End.Map function? > 1. look up the IPv6 DA in the mapping table > 2. update the IPv6 DA with the new mapped SID ;; Note 1 > 3. IF segment_list > 1 > 4. insert a new SRH > 5. forward according to the new mapped SID > 6. ELSE > 7. Drop the packet > Note 1: The SID in the SRH is NOT modified. -- Kentaro Ebisawa From nobody Mon Mar 11 13:12:15 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68A9E131187; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:12:01 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.93.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dmm@ietf.org Message-ID: <155233512135.23146.11968136924367475977@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 13:12:01 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 20:12:06 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF. Title : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane Authors : Satoru Matsushima Clarence Filsfils Miya Kohno Pablo Camarillo Garvia Daniel Voyer Charles E. Perkins Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-03-11 Abstract: This document shows the applicability of SRv6 (Segment Routing IPv6) to the user-plane of mobile networks. The network programming nature of SRv6 accomplish mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner. The statelessness of SRv6 and its ability to control both service layer path and underlying transport can be beneficial to the mobile user-plane, providing flexibility and SLA control for various applications. This document describes the SRv6 mobile user plane behavior and defines the SID functions for that. 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This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF. Title : User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis on 3GPP 5G System Authors : Shunsuke Homma Takuya Miyasaka Satoru Matsushima Daniel Voyer Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-01.txt Pages : 34 Date : 2019-03-11 Abstract: This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents. The analysis work is to clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectural requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane protocols on IETF side. This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol Study work on 3GPP side. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Mar 11 22:47:35 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052CB130EF2 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R-VjilQCfLgi for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [185.176.76.210]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BA44D130EEE for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:47:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (unknown [172.18.7.107]) by Forcepoint Email with ESMTP id 83CCAA4DF26FD973D6A0 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:47:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lhreml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.56) by LHREML713-CAH.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.36) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.408.0; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:47:26 +0000 Received: from lhreml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.56) by lhreml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1591.10; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:47:27 +0000 Received: from BLREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.20.4.41) by lhreml707-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.56) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1591.10 via Frontend Transport; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:47:26 +0000 Received: from BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.9.242]) by BLREML405-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.20.4.41]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Tue, 12 Mar 2019 11:17:16 +0530 From: Sridhar Bhaskaran To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04.txt Thread-Index: AQHU2EbnnWJfZoJ9eUeIwyTYEynZXKYHfQPw Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:47:16 +0000 Message-ID: <0E42DD26875E1748992B1E3F732A36AE0144A379@BLREML503-MBX.china.huawei.com> References: <155233512135.23146.11968136924367475977@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <155233512135.23146.11968136924367475977@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US, zh-CN Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.20.148.206] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 05:47:33 -0000 Dear authors, I have the following comments on the draft. =20 1. Section 4. The following statement is not clear >> The user plane described in this document does not depend on any specific architecture. What does "this document" mean here? The previous paragraph talks about TS = 23.501. Does "this" document mean 23.501 or this IETF draft? 2. If "this document" meant 23.501, then the statement " does not depend on= any specific architecture" is incorrect. 3GPP TS 23.501 requires, the pack= et detection and forwarding rules at every UPF in the forwarding path be co= ntrolled via N4. See TS 23.501 clause 5.8.2.4.1 ****** The SMF is responsible for instructing the UP function about how to detect = user data traffic belonging to a Packet Detection Rule (PDR). The other par= ameters provided within a PDR describe how the UP function shall treat a pa= cket that matches the detection information. ***** 3. Section 4 - the following statement is not accurate Sometimes multiple UPFs may be used, providing richer service functions. A UE gets its IP address from the DHCP block of its UPF. IP address allocation is not always by way of DHCP. A UPF may serve an IP p= ool and SMF may assign IP address to UE from the pool. Suggest to change it= as "A UE gets its IP address via N1 SM NAS signaling from the SMF. The IP = address management mechanism is specified in clause 5.8.2.2 of 3GPP TS 23.5= 01" 4. Throughout the document there is this term "UE session" repeating. Its b= etter to clarify that this refers to "UE PDU Session". 5. Section 5.1.1 gNB_out : (gNB, U1::1) (A,Z) -> T.Encaps.Red UPF1_out: (gNB, U2::1) (A,Z) -> End.MAP Also note that the conventions in section 2.2 says: * U1::1 is an IPv6 address (SID) assigned to UPF1. o U2::1 is an IPv6 address (SID) assigned to UPF2. a. How does UPF1 identify the N4 session related to the UE PDU session?=20 b. Does End.MAP function provide a PDU session specific mapping?=20 c. Since U1::1 and U2::1 are just IPv6 addresses as specified in section 2.= 2, how does the UPF1 and UPF2 use it to identify the PDU session specific f= orwarding / packet handling rules? 6. Same question as above for downlink direction - in section 5.1.2 7. Section 5.2.1 gNB_out : (gNB, S1)(U2::1, C1; SL=3D2)(A,Z)-> T.Encaps.Red If I understand correctly in enhanced mode, you propose to insert SID list.= =20 a. Isn't the SID list part of SRH?=20 b. If so, why use T.Encaps.Red which is defined as encapsulation without SR= H insertion?=20 c. Aren't U2::1 and C1 part of the SID list? d. How does UPF 2 identify the N4 session related to the UE PDU session? 8. Section 5.2.2 UPF2_in : (Z,A) -> UPF2 maps the flow w/ SID list UPF2_out: (U2::1, C1)(gNB, S1; SL=3D2)(Z,A) -> T.Encaps.Red First step talks about UPF 2 inserting SID list while second step talks abo= ut using T.Encaps.Red which is a function that does not insert SRH. So how = is SID list inserted into the packet? All other questions raised in /7/ above hold here as well. 9. Section 5.3.1 o The SRGW removes GTP, finds the SID list related to DA, and adds SRH with the SID list. Does the SID list added here only contain UPF or SR node addresses? How doe= s each UPF in the SID list identify the specific N4 session related to the = PDU session the packet belongs? How does each UPF apply the packet forwardi= ng treatment as provided in the N4 session creation request into the UPF fo= r the PDU session? I may have number of other questions. But a basic clarity on the above is r= equired first. Could the authors please clarify? Regards Sridhar Bhaskaran -----Original Message----- From: dmm [mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.o= rg Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 1:42 AM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the = IETF. Title : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane Authors : Satoru Matsushima Clarence Filsfils Miya Kohno Pablo Camarillo Garvia Daniel Voyer Charles E. Perkins Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04.txt Pages : 28 Date : 2019-03-11 Abstract: This document shows the applicability of SRv6 (Segment Routing IPv6) to the user-plane of mobile networks. The network programming nature of SRv6 accomplish mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner. The statelessness of SRv6 and its ability to control both service layer path and underlying transport can be beneficial to the mobile user-plane, providing flexibility and SLA control for various applications. This document describes the SRv6 mobile user plane behavior and defines the SID functions for that. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Thank you for your = review comments and feedback on the draft. Many of them have still not been covered but the authors are still going = to work on it for the next meeting. We=E2=80=99ll get back to you and hope to discuss for further updates = during IETF104. Best regards, --satoru > 2019/03/12 5:12=E3=80=81internet-drafts@ietf.org=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83= =BC=E3=83=AB: >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts = directories. > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of = the IETF. >=20 > Title : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane > Authors : Satoru Matsushima > Clarence Filsfils > Miya Kohno > Pablo Camarillo Garvia > Daniel Voyer > Charles E. Perkins > Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04.txt > Pages : 28 > Date : 2019-03-11 >=20 > Abstract: > This document shows the applicability of SRv6 (Segment Routing IPv6) > to the user-plane of mobile networks. The network programming = nature > of SRv6 accomplish mobile user-plane functions in a simple manner. > The statelessness of SRv6 and its ability to control both service > layer path and underlying transport can be beneficial to the mobile > user-plane, providing flexibility and SLA control for various > applications. This document describes the SRv6 mobile user plane > behavior and defines the SID functions for that. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04 > = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04= >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-04= >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of = submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm From nobody Mon Mar 18 09:28:38 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04939131281; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:28:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155292651600.26233.14784454408204616716@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:28:36 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] IPR Disclosure InterDigital Patent Holdings, Inc.' s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:28:36 -0000 Dear Carlos J. Bernardos, Antonio de la Oliva, Fabio Giust, Juan-Carlos Zúñiga, Alain Mourad: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Proxy Mobile IPv6 extensions for Distributed Mobility Management" (draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3477/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "InterDigital Patent Holdings, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Mon Mar 18 09:44:53 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E647D131117; Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:44:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <155292748592.26166.571185350289179398@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 09:44:45 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] IPR Disclosure InterDigital Patent Holdings, Inc.' s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2019 16:44:46 -0000 Dear Carlos J. Bernardos, Antonio de la Oliva, Fabio Giust, Juan-Carlos Zúñiga, Alain Mourad: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Proxy Mobile IPv6 extensions for Distributed Mobility Management" (draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3478/). 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Sri On 3/18/19, 9:44 AM, "dmm on behalf of IETF Secretariat" wrote: >Dear Carlos J. Bernardos, Antonio de la Oliva, Fabio Giust, Juan-Carlos >Z=FA=F1iga, Alain Mourad: > > >An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled >"Proxy >Mobile IPv6 extensions for Distributed Mobility Management" >(draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on and >has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights >Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3478/). 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Please check and let us know if we are missing any requests. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-104-dmm/ > From nobody Tue Mar 26 04:10:42 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3157F1202D1; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 04:10:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.94.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dmm@ietf.org Message-ID: <155359863416.20829.7303201586930615102@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 04:10:34 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-13.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 11:10:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF. Title : Distributed Mobility Anchoring Authors : H. Anthony Chan Xinpeng Wei Jong-Hyouk Lee Seil Jeon Carlos J. Bernardos Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-13.txt Pages : 17 Date : 2019-03-26 Abstract: This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of the different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility support. A network may be configured with distributed mobility anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility support according to the needs of mobility support. In a distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor. To start a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session continuity as a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started or re-started using an IP address configured from the new IP prefix anchored to the new network. If the flow needs to survive the change of network, there are solutions that can be used to enable IP address mobility. This document describes different anchoring approaches, depending on the IP mobility needs, and how this IP address mobility is handled by the network. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-13 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-13 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-13 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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