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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Mobility Anchoring
        Authors         : H. Anthony Chan
                          Xinpeng Wei
                          Jong-Hyouk Lee
                          Seil Jeon
                          Carlos J. Bernardos
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-14.txt
	Pages           : 19
	Date            : 2019-11-01

Abstract:
   This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of the
   different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility
   support.  A network may be configured with distributed mobility
   anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility
   support according to the needs of mobility support.  In a distributed
   mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are available for
   mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor.  To start a new flow or
   to handle a flow not requiring IP session continuity as a mobile node
   moves to a new network, the flow can be started or re-started using
   an IP address configured from the new IP prefix anchored to the new
   network.  If the flow needs to survive the change of network, there
   are solutions that can be used to enable IP address mobility.  This
   document describes different anchoring approaches, depending on the
   IP mobility needs, and how this IP address mobility is handled by the
   network.


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Dear Yoshi,

We've just posted a new revision (-14) addressing all your comments.

Thanks!

Carlos

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:38 AM Yoshifumi Nishida <nsd.ietf@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi Carlos,
> Thanks for the response. I put my comments in lines.
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 4:20 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>
>> Dear Yoshifumi,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for the review. Please check inline below for some comments
>> from my side.
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 9:57 AM Yoshifumi Nishida via Datatracker <
>> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Reviewer: Yoshifumi Nishida
>>> Review result: Almost Ready
>>>
>>> This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review
>>> team's
>>> ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written
>>> primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the
>>> document's
>>> authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to
>>> the IETF
>>> discussion list for information.
>>>
>>> When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this
>>> review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC
>>> tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review.
>>>
>>> Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as an
>>> informational RFC,
>>> but it will be better to clarify the following points.
>>>
>>> 1: The examples shown in the draft look behave conveniently.
>>>    For examples, in the figure 3 case, the flow is somehow terminated
>>> before
>>>    the MN moves and is re-initiated after the movement has finished.
>>> However, I
>>>    believe there should be the cases where applications don't aware of
>>> network
>>>    changes and transmit data while migrating, which may cause packet
>>> drops,
>>>    delays and timeouts, etc. I think this draft should clarify the
>>> treatments
>>>    of these cases. Is it out of scope of the draft? Or, do some
>>> components
>>>    generate ICMP messages to give some hints to the applications, or
>>> provide
>>>    buffering features to mitigate the side effects?
>>>
>>
>> [Carlos] I guess you mean Figure 4, right? In that figure, we try to
>> explain what would happen if there is no actual mobility support, meaning
>> that a communication flow does not need such mobility support. This might
>> happen because the flow stops before the movement (as shown in the figure)
>> or also because the application can deal with the mobility itself (no
>> mobility at the IP layer). We don't explicitly mention that second case
>> because it is not in the scope of the draft (IP mobility). We can better
>> clarify the scope in the text.
>>
>
> Sorry for confusion. Yes, the data flow is explained in Figure 4.
> What I wanted to mention was how the flow can stop it without mobility
> support. If there's no mobility support, the app should not be able to know
> when network change will happen. So, I am thinking that in some cases, the
> flow may not able to stop before the movement.
> I am guessing this case would be a major case than the case described in
> the draft.
> Or, is there any available approach here?
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> 2: Page 8:
>>>    "A MN will need to choose which IP prefix/address to use for each flow
>>>     according to whether it needs IP mobility support or not."
>>>
>>>      -> It seems to me that the draft implicitly suggests the use of
>>>      draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility here.
>>>         If so, I think it would be better to state more explicitly. Or,
>>> do we
>>>         have other options?
>>>
>>
>> [Carlos] We can definitely add an explicit reference to
>> draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility, but I'd mention it as an example. I don't
>> have another option in mind, but we can leave it open.
>>
>
> Yes, referring as an example is fine. I just thought if this approach can
> be used, then it might be better to explain it explicitly.
>
>>
>>
>>> 3: Page 10:
>>>     "the initial anchor remains the anchor and forwards traffic"
>>>
>>>      -> could be "anchor remains and the anchor.."?
>>>
>>
>> [Carlos] Maybe "mobility anchor remains playing that role and forwards
>> traffic"?
>>
>
> Works for me. Thanks!
> --
> Yoshi
>


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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Yoshi,<div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve just posted a new=
 revision (-14) addressing all your comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Than=
ks!</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 9:38 AM Yo=
shifumi Nishida &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nsd.ietf@gmail.com">nsd.ietf@gmail.co=
m</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi Carlos,=C2=A0</=
div><div>Thanks for the response. I put my comments in lines.</div><br><div=
 class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 18=
, 2019 at 4:20 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it=
.uc3m.es" target=3D"_blank">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1p=
x solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr=
">Dear=C2=A0Yoshifumi,<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for the review. Plea=
se check inline below for some comments from my side.</div></div><br><div c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 14, =
2019 at 9:57 AM Yoshifumi Nishida via Datatracker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nor=
eply@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><=
blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-l=
eft:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Yoshifumi Nishid=
a<br>
Review result: Almost Ready<br>
<br>
This document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review team&#=
39;s<br>
ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written<br=
>
primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document&=
#39;s<br>
authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to the I=
ETF<br>
discussion list for information.<br>
<br>
When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this<b=
r>
review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:tsv-art@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tsv-art@ietf.org</a> =
if you reply to or forward this review.<br>
<br>
Summary: This document is almost ready for publication as an informational =
RFC,<br>
but it will be better to clarify the following points.<br>
<br>
1: The examples shown in the draft look behave conveniently.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0For examples, in the figure 3 case, the flow is somehow termin=
ated before<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0the MN moves and is re-initiated after the movement has finish=
ed. However, I<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0believe there should be the cases where applications don&#39;t=
 aware of network<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0changes and transmit data while migrating, which may cause pac=
ket drops,<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0delays and timeouts, etc. I think this draft should clarify th=
e treatments<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0of these cases. Is it out of scope of the draft? Or, do some c=
omponents<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0generate ICMP messages to give some hints to the applications,=
 or provide<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0buffering features to mitigate the side effects?<br></blockquo=
te><div><br></div><div>[Carlos] I guess you mean Figure 4, right? In that f=
igure, we try to explain what would happen if there is no actual mobility s=
upport, meaning that a communication flow does not need such mobility suppo=
rt. This might happen because the flow stops before the movement (as shown =
in the figure) or also because the application can deal with the mobility i=
tself (no mobility at the IP layer). We don&#39;t explicitly mention that s=
econd case because it is not in the scope of the draft (IP mobility). We ca=
n better clarify the scope in the text.</div></div></div></blockquote><div>=
<br></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Sorry for confusion. Yes, t=
he data flow is explained in Figure 4.=C2=A0</font></div><div><font face=3D=
"arial, sans-serif">What I wanted to mention was how the flow can stop it w=
ithout mobility support. If there&#39;s no mobility support, the app should=
 not be able to know when network change will happen. So, I am thinking tha=
t in some cases, the flow may not able to stop before the movement.=C2=A0</=
font></div><div><font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">I am guessing this case wo=
uld be a major case than the case described in the draft.</font></div><div>=
<font face=3D"arial, sans-serif">Or, is there any available approach here?<=
/font></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0=
.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"l=
tr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_=
quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,=
204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
2: Page 8:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0&quot;A MN will need to choose which IP prefix/address to use =
for each flow<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 according to whether it needs IP mobility support or not.&quo=
t;<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-&gt; It seems to me that the draft implicitly suggests=
 the use of<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0draft-ietf-dmm-ondemand-mobility here.<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 If so, I think it would be better to state more=
 explicitly. Or, do we<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 have other options?<br></blockquote><div><br></=
div><div>[Carlos] We can definitely add an explicit reference to draft-ietf=
-dmm-ondemand-mobility, but I&#39;d mention it as an example. I don&#39;t h=
ave another option in mind, but we can leave it open.</div></div></div></bl=
ockquote><div><br></div><div>Yes, referring as an example is fine. I just t=
hought if this approach can be used, then it might be better to explain it =
explicitly. =C2=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0=
px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rg=
b(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<br>
3: Page 10:<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 &quot;the initial anchor remains the anchor and forwards traf=
fic&quot;<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0-&gt; could be &quot;anchor remains and the anchor..&qu=
ot;?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>[Carlos] Maybe &quot;mobility anch=
or remains playing that role and forwards traffic&quot;?</div></div></div><=
/blockquote><div><br></div><div>Works for me. Thanks!</div><div>--</div><di=
v>Yoshi=C2=A0</div></div></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond=
 5G Evolution&quot;: <a href=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/sp=
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tronics/special_issues/beyond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>

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Dear Joseph,

We've just posted a new revision (-14) addressing all your comments.

Thanks!

Carlos

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:12 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>
wrote:

> Dear Joseph,
>
> Thanks a lot for the review. We will improve the security consideration
> section by including also some of the considerations mentioned in draft-
> ietf-dmm-deployment-models-04, and also by better scoping current text.
> We believe we don't need much more in terms of text, as the document is
> informational, and the actual security mechanisms for a distributed
> anchoring solution would depend on the specifics of that solution. We can
> also better reflect that rational in the text.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 12:25 AM Joseph Salowey via Datatracker <
> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Reviewer: Joseph Salowey
>> Review result: Has Issues
>>
>> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
>> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
>> IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
>> security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
>> these comments just like any other last call comments.
>>
>> The summary of the review is the document has issues with the security
>> considerations section.
>>
>> The security consideration section is extremely light.  It mainly
>> contains text
>> from RFC 7333.  It seems that there should be more discussion of security
>> as it
>> relates to the different configurations and different cases.   Do each of
>> these
>> cases have the same security properties and require the same types of
>> security
>> controls?
>>
>> Are the IPSEC recommendations mentioned in the security considerations of
>> draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-models-04 applicable for all the cases?   Should
>> these be pointed out in the security considerations section?
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Special Issue "Beyond 5G Evolution":
> https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g
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>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Joseph,<div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve just posted a ne=
w revision (-14) addressing all your comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Tha=
nks!</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quo=
te"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:12 PM C=
ARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.u=
c3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"m=
argin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left=
:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Joseph,<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for the=
 review. We will improve the security consideration section by including al=
so some of the considerations mentioned in=C2=A0<span>draft</span>-<span>ie=
tf</span>-<span>dmm</span>-deployment-models-04, and also by better scoping=
 current text. We believe we don&#39;t need much more in terms of text, as =
the document is informational, and the actual security mechanisms for a dis=
tributed anchoring solution would depend on the specifics of that solution.=
 We can also better reflect that rational in the text.</div><div><br></div>=
<div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 1=
2:25 AM Joseph Salowey via Datatracker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noreply@ietf.o=
rg" target=3D"_blank">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote =
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px sol=
id rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Joseph Salowey<br>
Review result: Has Issues<br>
<br>
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate&#39;s<br>
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the<br>
IESG.=C2=A0 These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the<br=
>
security area directors.=C2=A0 Document editors and WG chairs should treat<=
br>
these comments just like any other last call comments.<br>
<br>
The summary of the review is the document has issues with the security<br>
considerations section.<br>
<br>
The security consideration section is extremely light.=C2=A0 It mainly cont=
ains text<br>
from RFC 7333.=C2=A0 It seems that there should be more discussion of secur=
ity as it<br>
relates to the different configurations and different cases.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Do=
 each of these<br>
cases have the same security properties and require the same types of secur=
ity<br>
controls?<br>
<br>
Are the IPSEC recommendations mentioned in the security considerations of<b=
r>
draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-models-04 applicable for all the cases?=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Should<br>
these be pointed out in the security considerations section?<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond 5G Evolution&quot;: <a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/bey=
ond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond=
 5G Evolution&quot;: <a href=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/sp=
ecial_issues/beyond_5g" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/elec=
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Dear DMM chairs,

I would like to request a slot to discuss about the following draft.

---------------
The title of the presentation: Architecture Discussion on SRv6 Mobile User
plane
Presenter name: Miya Kohno
Time you need: 15min
Draft reference: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.tx=
t
---------------

Thanks!
Miya

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:49 AM Satoru Matsushima <
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> One correction for a typo:
>
> > Reminder:
> > The draft cut-off date: 4th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the
> meeting).
>
>
> Regards,
> --satoru
>
>
> > 2019/10/22 12:07=E3=80=81Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com=
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> >
> > Folks,
> >
> > The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106:
> >
> > 18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50)
> >
> > If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please sen=
d
> your request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the
> information in the request as following:
> >
> > The title of the presentation:
> > Presenter name:
> > Time you need:
> > Draft reference:
> >
> > Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04 (November 4th).
> >
> > Reminder:
> > The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the
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> > Dapeng & Sri & Satoru
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Dear DMM chairs, <br></div><div><br>=
</div><div>I would like to request a slot to discuss about the following dr=
aft. <br></div><div><br></div><div>---------------<br></div><div>The title =
of the presentation: Architecture Discussion on SRv6 Mobile User plane<br>
Presenter name: Miya Kohno<br>
Time you need: 15min<br>
Draft reference: <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob=
-arch-00.txt" target=3D"_blank">https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv=
6mob-arch-00.txt</a></div><div>---------------</div><div><br></div><div>Tha=
nks!</div><div>Miya<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:49 AM Satoru Matsu=
shima &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">=
satoru.matsushima@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,=
204,204);padding-left:1ex">One correction for a typo:<br>
<br>
&gt; Reminder:<br>
&gt; The draft cut-off date: 4th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the mee=
ting).<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
--satoru<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; 2019/10/22 12:07=E3=80=81Satoru Matsushima &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sator=
u.matsushima@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">satoru.matsushima@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Folks,<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106:<b=
r>
&gt; <br>
&gt; 18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50)<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please se=
nd your request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the infor=
mation in the request as following:<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; The title of the presentation:<br>
&gt; Presenter name:<br>
&gt; Time you need:<br>
&gt; Draft reference: <br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04 (November 4th).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Reminder:<br>
&gt; The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the me=
eting).<br>
&gt; <br>
&gt; Dapeng &amp; Sri &amp; Satoru<br>
<br>
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Proxy Mobile IPv6 extensions for Distributed Mobility Management
        Authors         : Carlos J. Bernardos
                          Antonio de la Oliva
                          Fabio Giust
                          Juan Carlos Zuniga
                          Alain Mourad
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-05.txt
	Pages           : 33
	Date            : 2019-11-02

Abstract:
   Distributed Mobility Management solutions allow for setting up
   networks so that traffic is distributed in an optimal way and does
   not rely on centrally deployed anchors to provide IP mobility
   support.

   There are many different approaches to address Distributed Mobility
   Management, as for example extending network-based mobility protocols
   (like Proxy Mobile IPv6), or client-based mobility protocols (like
   Mobile IPv6), among others.  This document follows the former
   approach and proposes a solution based on Proxy Mobile IPv6 in which
   mobility sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router (called
   mobility anchor and access router).  The mobility anchor and access
   router is an enhanced access router which is also able to operate as
   a local mobility anchor or mobility access gateway, on a per prefix
   basis.  The document focuses on the required extensions to
   effectively support simultaneously anchoring several flows at
   different distributed gateways.



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Hi Ines,

We've just posted a new revision addressing your comments.

Thanks,

Carlos

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>
wrote:

> Hi Ines,
>
> Thanks for the review. We'll check with IANA folks about how to add more
> details (whether they do it or we do).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:21 PM Ines Robles via Datatracker <
> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>
>> Reviewer: Ines Robles
>> Review result: Ready with Nits
>>
>> I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area
>> Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed
>> by the IESG for the IETF Chair.  Please treat these comments just
>> like any other last call comments.
>>
>> For more information, please see the FAQ at
>>
>> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq>.
>>
>> Document: draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-04
>> Reviewer: Ines Robles
>> Review Date: 2019-10-14
>> IETF LC End Date: 2019-10-14
>> IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat
>>
>> Summary:
>>
>> I believe the draft is technically good. This document is well written.
>>
>> The document proposes Distributed Mobility Management for Proxy Mobile
>> IPv6 in
>> which mobility sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router called MAAR
>> (mobility anchor and access router). The document focuses on the required
>> extensions to effectively support simultaneously anchoring several flows
>> at
>> different distributed gateways.
>>
>> I have a minor concern detailed in Nits section.
>>
>> Major issues:Not Issues found
>>
>> Minor issues: Not Issues found
>>
>> Nits/editorial comments:
>>
>> It would be nice to specify IANA Section with more details, such as
>> indicating
>> the registry which the option type belong, etc. [rfc8126]
>>
>> Thank you for this document,
>>
>> Ines.
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Special Issue "Beyond 5G Evolution":
> https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g
>
>

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Special Issue "Beyond 5G Evolution":
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Ines,<div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve just posted a new re=
vision addressing your comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div=
><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:21 PM CARLOS JESUS =
BERNARDOS CANO &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Hi Ines,<div><br></div><div>Thanks for the review. We&#39;ll che=
ck with IANA folks about how to add more details (whether they do it or we =
do).</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div>=
</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">=
On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:21 PM Ines Robles via Datatracker &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:noreply@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:=
<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8=
ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Ines =
Robles<br>
Review result: Ready with Nits<br>
<br>
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. The General Area<br>
Review Team (Gen-ART) reviews all IETF documents being processed<br>
by the IESG for the IETF Chair.=C2=A0 Please treat these comments just<br>
like any other last call comments.<br>
<br>
For more information, please see the FAQ at<br>
<br>
&lt;<a href=3D"https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq" rel=3D"norefe=
rrer" target=3D"_blank">https://trac.ietf.org/trac/gen/wiki/GenArtfaq</a>&g=
t;.<br>
<br>
Document: draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-04<br>
Reviewer: Ines Robles<br>
Review Date: 2019-10-14<br>
IETF LC End Date: 2019-10-14<br>
IESG Telechat date: Not scheduled for a telechat<br>
<br>
Summary:<br>
<br>
I believe the draft is technically good. This document is well written.<br>
<br>
The document proposes Distributed Mobility Management for Proxy Mobile IPv6=
 in<br>
which mobility sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router called MAAR<=
br>
(mobility anchor and access router). The document focuses on the required<b=
r>
extensions to effectively support simultaneously anchoring several flows at=
<br>
different distributed gateways.<br>
<br>
I have a minor concern detailed in Nits section.<br>
<br>
Major issues:Not Issues found<br>
<br>
Minor issues: Not Issues found<br>
<br>
Nits/editorial comments:<br>
<br>
It would be nice to specify IANA Section with more details, such as indicat=
ing<br>
the registry which the option type belong, etc. [rfc8126]<br>
<br>
Thank you for this document,<br>
<br>
Ines.<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond 5G Evolution&quot;: <a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/bey=
ond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond=
 5G Evolution&quot;: <a href=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/sp=
ecial_issues/beyond_5g" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/elec=
tronics/special_issues/beyond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>

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Hi Joerg,

We've just posted a new revision addressing your comments.

Thanks,

Carlos

On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:24 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>
wrote:

> Thanks a lot Joerg for your very comprehensive review.
>
> We will carefully look at your comments and provide responses (with
> proposals of text changes) in the next few days. I prefer to take some time
> to properly address all your points.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carlos
>
> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:49 PM Joerg Ott via Datatracker <
> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
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>> Reviewer: Joerg Ott
>> Review result: Ready with Issues
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> this document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review
>> team's
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>> When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this
>> review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC
>> tsv-art@ietf.org if you reply to or forward this review.
>>
>> The draft defines extensions to Proxy Mobile IPv6 to support a more
>> distributed
>> variant of mobility management. In essence, as a mobile node moves from
>> one
>> point of attachment (Mobility Anchor and Access Router, MAAR) to the next,
>> its routing prefix with the previous MAAR(s) remain(s) and ongoing
>> transport
>> layer connections remain active and routed indirectly via the previous
>> MAAR,
>> while new ones will use the present MAAR. The interactions of MAARs are
>> managed via a Central Mobility Database (CMD).
>>
>> The draft is well written and good to follow, describing the protocols and
>> extensions clearly. I just have two transport-specific concern and two
>> general
>> operational issues that require further clarification in the draft.
>>
>> The transport issues:
>>
>> T1. Section 3.2. When the CMD acts as a relay for Proxy Binding Updates
>> (PBUs)
>> and Proxy Binding Acts (PBAs), the CMD may act as a relay of a single PBU
>> to
>> multiple previous MAARs. If multiple previous MAARs exist, say k, (and
>> there
>> may be numerous in case of many fast handovers, e.g., with vehicular
>> networks),
>> the CMD creates k outgoing packets from a single incoming packet. This
>> bears
>> a certain amplification risk (which may also need to be addressed in the
>> security
>> considerations section) but it also may lead to packet bursts originated
>> from the
>> CMD, albeit to different targets. Other protocols start introducing
>> pacing to avoid
>> bursts on the outgoing link, even if the packets do take different paths
>> in the end.
>> This may be worthwhile considering.
>>
>> T2. Also in section 3.2, when relaying PBAs, the CMD serves as a
>> transport or
>> application endpoint and should have a way to deal with missing responses
>> (after all, this is a connectionless protocol on top of an unreliable
>> Internet).
>> A timeout is only mentioned for aggregation, but even there there the
>> timeout
>> is not specified, nor is a reference to, e.g., RFC 5213 or so to infer a
>> timeout
>> used elsewhere.
>>
>> General issues:
>>
>> G1. Section 3.2 (again) specifies that responses are aggregated on p.10.
>> How
>> does response aggregation work? How is error handling done?
>>
>> Moreover, also on p.10, further below the draft states that if a timer
>> expires,
>> the requests already received are forwarded. The missing ones come later.
>> This seems to contradict aggregation because the originator (the currently
>> server MAAR) does not expect more than a single response if it sent out a
>> single update. This may thus require updated processing in the MAAR.
>>
>> G2. Sect. 3.3 suggests that PBAs could be sent straight from the previous
>> MAAR
>> to the current MAAR. How does this work if security associations are
>> supposed
>> to be applied? It would seem that, when following the security
>> considerations,
>> such cases are not covered. At least, this would warrant further
>> explanation as
>> in this case we suddenly have three involved security associations, which
>> would
>> also need to be established.
>>
>> G3. Sect 3.5 discusses deregistration and suggests that this can only be
>> done by
>> timeout; I understand the rationale but can any risks arise on continued
>> resource
>> consumption (DoS attacks)?
>>
>> G4. Sect. 6.: As alluded to above, the security considerations may need
>> expanding.
>>
>> Nits:
>> p.12: "information are" -> "information is"
>> p.12: "influence on" -> "influence"
>>
>>
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Joerg,<div><br></div><div>We&#39;ve just posted a new r=
evision addressing your comments.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:24 PM CARLOS JESUS =
BERNARDOS CANO &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&g=
t; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0p=
x 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div d=
ir=3D"ltr">Thanks a lot Joerg for your very comprehensive review.<div><br><=
/div><div>We will carefully look at your comments and provide responses (wi=
th proposals of text changes) in the next few days. I prefer to take some t=
ime to properly address all your points.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</=
div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><d=
iv dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:49 PM Joerg =
Ott via Datatracker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noreply@ietf.org" target=3D"_blan=
k">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204)=
;padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Joerg Ott<br>
Review result: Ready with Issues<br>
<br>
Hi,<br>
<br>
this document has been reviewed as part of the transport area review team&#=
39;s<br>
ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were written<br=
>
primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to the document&=
#39;s<br>
authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and also to the I=
ETF<br>
discussion list for information.<br>
<br>
When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should consider this<b=
r>
review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please always CC<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:tsv-art@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">tsv-art@ietf.org</a> =
if you reply to or forward this review.<br>
<br>
The draft defines extensions to Proxy Mobile IPv6 to support a more distrib=
uted<br>
variant of mobility management. In essence, as a mobile node moves from one=
<br>
point of attachment (Mobility Anchor and Access Router, MAAR) to the next,<=
br>
its routing prefix with the previous MAAR(s) remain(s) and ongoing transpor=
t<br>
layer connections remain active and routed indirectly via the previous MAAR=
,<br>
while new ones will use the present MAAR. The interactions of MAARs are<br>
managed via a Central Mobility Database (CMD).<br>
<br>
The draft is well written and good to follow, describing the protocols and<=
br>
extensions clearly. I just have two transport-specific concern and two gene=
ral<br>
operational issues that require further clarification in the draft.<br>
<br>
The transport issues:<br>
<br>
T1. Section 3.2. When the CMD acts as a relay for Proxy Binding Updates (PB=
Us)<br>
and Proxy Binding Acts (PBAs), the CMD may act as a relay of a single PBU t=
o<br>
multiple previous MAARs. If multiple previous MAARs exist, say k, (and ther=
e<br>
may be numerous in case of many fast handovers, e.g., with vehicular networ=
ks),<br>
the CMD creates k outgoing packets from a single incoming packet. This bear=
s<br>
a certain amplification risk (which may also need to be addressed in the se=
curity<br>
considerations section) but it also may lead to packet bursts originated fr=
om the<br>
CMD, albeit to different targets. Other protocols start introducing pacing =
to avoid<br>
bursts on the outgoing link, even if the packets do take different paths in=
 the end.<br>
This may be worthwhile considering.<br>
<br>
T2. Also in section 3.2, when relaying PBAs, the CMD serves as a transport =
or <br>
application endpoint and should have a way to deal with missing responses<b=
r>
(after all, this is a connectionless protocol on top of an unreliable Inter=
net).<br>
A timeout is only mentioned for aggregation, but even there there the timeo=
ut<br>
is not specified, nor is a reference to, e.g., RFC 5213 or so to infer a ti=
meout<br>
used elsewhere.<br>
<br>
General issues:<br>
<br>
G1. Section 3.2 (again) specifies that responses are aggregated on p.10. Ho=
w<br>
does response aggregation work? How is error handling done?<br>
<br>
Moreover, also on p.10, further below the draft states that if a timer expi=
res,<br>
the requests already received are forwarded. The missing ones come later.<b=
r>
This seems to contradict aggregation because the originator (the currently<=
br>
server MAAR) does not expect more than a single response if it sent out a<b=
r>
single update. This may thus require updated processing in the MAAR.<br>
<br>
G2. Sect. 3.3 suggests that PBAs could be sent straight from the previous M=
AAR<br>
to the current MAAR. How does this work if security associations are suppos=
ed<br>
to be applied? It would seem that, when following the security consideratio=
ns,<br>
such cases are not covered. At least, this would warrant further explanatio=
n as<br>
in this case we suddenly have three involved security associations, which w=
ould<br>
also need to be established. <br>
<br>
G3. Sect 3.5 discusses deregistration and suggests that this can only be do=
ne by<br>
timeout; I understand the rationale but can any risks arise on continued re=
source <br>
consumption (DoS attacks)? <br>
<br>
G4. Sect. 6.: As alluded to above, the security considerations may need exp=
anding.<br>
<br>
Nits:<br>
p.12: &quot;information are&quot; -&gt; &quot;information is&quot;<br>
p.12: &quot;influence on&quot; -&gt; &quot;influence&quot;<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond 5G Evolution&quot;: <a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/bey=
ond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
 class=3D"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond=
 5G Evolution&quot;: <a href=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/sp=
ecial_issues/beyond_5g" target=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/elec=
tronics/special_issues/beyond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>

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Hi Carlos,

thanks much, will review shortly, but this will take about a week
and a bit.

Best,
Jörg

On 02.11.19 12:45, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO wrote:
> Hi Joerg,
> 
> We've just posted a new revision addressing your comments.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlos
> 
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:24 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO 
> <cjbc@it.uc3m.es <mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es>> wrote:
> 
>     Thanks a lot Joerg for your very comprehensive review.
> 
>     We will carefully look at your comments and provide responses (with
>     proposals of text changes) in the next few days. I prefer to take
>     some time to properly address all your points.
> 
>     Thanks!
> 
>     Carlos
> 
>     On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:49 PM Joerg Ott via Datatracker
>     <noreply@ietf.org <mailto:noreply@ietf.org>> wrote:
> 
>         Reviewer: Joerg Ott
>         Review result: Ready with Issues
> 
>         Hi,
> 
>         this document has been reviewed as part of the transport area
>         review team's
>         ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were
>         written
>         primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to
>         the document's
>         authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and
>         also to the IETF
>         discussion list for information.
> 
>         When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should
>         consider this
>         review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please
>         always CC
>         tsv-art@ietf.org <mailto:tsv-art@ietf.org> if you reply to or
>         forward this review.
> 
>         The draft defines extensions to Proxy Mobile IPv6 to support a
>         more distributed
>         variant of mobility management. In essence, as a mobile node
>         moves from one
>         point of attachment (Mobility Anchor and Access Router, MAAR) to
>         the next,
>         its routing prefix with the previous MAAR(s) remain(s) and
>         ongoing transport
>         layer connections remain active and routed indirectly via the
>         previous MAAR,
>         while new ones will use the present MAAR. The interactions of
>         MAARs are
>         managed via a Central Mobility Database (CMD).
> 
>         The draft is well written and good to follow, describing the
>         protocols and
>         extensions clearly. I just have two transport-specific concern
>         and two general
>         operational issues that require further clarification in the draft.
> 
>         The transport issues:
> 
>         T1. Section 3.2. When the CMD acts as a relay for Proxy Binding
>         Updates (PBUs)
>         and Proxy Binding Acts (PBAs), the CMD may act as a relay of a
>         single PBU to
>         multiple previous MAARs. If multiple previous MAARs exist, say
>         k, (and there
>         may be numerous in case of many fast handovers, e.g., with
>         vehicular networks),
>         the CMD creates k outgoing packets from a single incoming
>         packet. This bears
>         a certain amplification risk (which may also need to be
>         addressed in the security
>         considerations section) but it also may lead to packet bursts
>         originated from the
>         CMD, albeit to different targets. Other protocols start
>         introducing pacing to avoid
>         bursts on the outgoing link, even if the packets do take
>         different paths in the end.
>         This may be worthwhile considering.
> 
>         T2. Also in section 3.2, when relaying PBAs, the CMD serves as a
>         transport or
>         application endpoint and should have a way to deal with missing
>         responses
>         (after all, this is a connectionless protocol on top of an
>         unreliable Internet).
>         A timeout is only mentioned for aggregation, but even there
>         there the timeout
>         is not specified, nor is a reference to, e.g., RFC 5213 or so to
>         infer a timeout
>         used elsewhere.
> 
>         General issues:
> 
>         G1. Section 3.2 (again) specifies that responses are aggregated
>         on p.10. How
>         does response aggregation work? How is error handling done?
> 
>         Moreover, also on p.10, further below the draft states that if a
>         timer expires,
>         the requests already received are forwarded. The missing ones
>         come later.
>         This seems to contradict aggregation because the originator (the
>         currently
>         server MAAR) does not expect more than a single response if it
>         sent out a
>         single update. This may thus require updated processing in the MAAR.
> 
>         G2. Sect. 3.3 suggests that PBAs could be sent straight from the
>         previous MAAR
>         to the current MAAR. How does this work if security associations
>         are supposed
>         to be applied? It would seem that, when following the security
>         considerations,
>         such cases are not covered. At least, this would warrant further
>         explanation as
>         in this case we suddenly have three involved security
>         associations, which would
>         also need to be established.
> 
>         G3. Sect 3.5 discusses deregistration and suggests that this can
>         only be done by
>         timeout; I understand the rationale but can any risks arise on
>         continued resource
>         consumption (DoS attacks)?
> 
>         G4. Sect. 6.: As alluded to above, the security considerations
>         may need expanding.
> 
>         Nits:
>         p.12: "information are" -> "information is"
>         p.12: "influence on" -> "influence"
> 
> 
> 
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gmail.com">Satoru Matsushima</a></div><div><b>Date:</b>&nbsp;2019-10-22&nb=
sp;11:07</div><div><b>To:</b>&nbsp;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@ietf.org">dmm</a>=
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Hi Carlos,

THanks for addressing my comments.  I don't have any further issues with
the document.

Cheers,

Joe

On Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:06 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <cjbc@it.uc3m.es>
wrote:

> Dear Joseph,
>
> We've just posted a new revision (-14) addressing all your comments.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Carlos
>
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:12 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO <
> cjbc@it.uc3m.es> wrote:
>
>> Dear Joseph,
>>
>> Thanks a lot for the review. We will improve the security consideration
>> section by including also some of the considerations mentioned in draft-
>> ietf-dmm-deployment-models-04, and also by better scoping current text.
>> We believe we don't need much more in terms of text, as the document is
>> informational, and the actual security mechanisms for a distributed
>> anchoring solution would depend on the specifics of that solution. We can
>> also better reflect that rational in the text.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Carlos
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 12:25 AM Joseph Salowey via Datatracker <
>> noreply@ietf.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Reviewer: Joseph Salowey
>>> Review result: Has Issues
>>>
>>> I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate's
>>> ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the
>>> IESG.  These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the
>>> security area directors.  Document editors and WG chairs should treat
>>> these comments just like any other last call comments.
>>>
>>> The summary of the review is the document has issues with the security
>>> considerations section.
>>>
>>> The security consideration section is extremely light.  It mainly
>>> contains text
>>> from RFC 7333.  It seems that there should be more discussion of
>>> security as it
>>> relates to the different configurations and different cases.   Do each
>>> of these
>>> cases have the same security properties and require the same types of
>>> security
>>> controls?
>>>
>>> Are the IPSEC recommendations mentioned in the security considerations of
>>> draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-models-04 applicable for all the cases?
>>>  Should
>>> these be pointed out in the security considerations section?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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>> Special Issue "Beyond 5G Evolution":
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>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Hi Carlos,<div><br></div><div>THanks for addressing my com=
ments.=C2=A0 I don&#39;t have any further issues with the document.=C2=A0=
=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div><br></div><div>Joe</div><=
/div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">O=
n Fri, Nov 1, 2019 at 5:06 AM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px soli=
d rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Joseph,<div><br>=
</div><div>We&#39;ve just posted a new revision (-14) addressing all your c=
omments.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks!</div><div><br></div><div>Carlos</=
div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_at=
tr">On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:12 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es" target=3D"_blank">cjbc@it.uc3m.es</a>&gt; wrote=
:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.=
8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"lt=
r">Dear Joseph,<div><br></div><div>Thanks a lot for the review. We will imp=
rove the security consideration section by including also some of the consi=
derations mentioned in=C2=A0<span>draft</span>-<span>ietf</span>-<span>dmm<=
/span>-deployment-models-04, and also by better scoping current text. We be=
lieve we don&#39;t need much more in terms of text, as the document is info=
rmational, and the actual security mechanisms for a distributed anchoring s=
olution would depend on the specifics of that solution. We can also better =
reflect that rational in the text.</div><div><br></div><div>Thanks,</div><d=
iv><br></div><div>Carlos</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=
=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 12:25 AM Joseph Salow=
ey via Datatracker &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:noreply@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank=
">noreply@ietf.org</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);=
padding-left:1ex">Reviewer: Joseph Salowey<br>
Review result: Has Issues<br>
<br>
I have reviewed this document as part of the security directorate&#39;s<br>
ongoing effort to review all IETF documents being processed by the<br>
IESG.=C2=A0 These comments were written primarily for the benefit of the<br=
>
security area directors.=C2=A0 Document editors and WG chairs should treat<=
br>
these comments just like any other last call comments.<br>
<br>
The summary of the review is the document has issues with the security<br>
considerations section.<br>
<br>
The security consideration section is extremely light.=C2=A0 It mainly cont=
ains text<br>
from RFC 7333.=C2=A0 It seems that there should be more discussion of secur=
ity as it<br>
relates to the different configurations and different cases.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Do=
 each of these<br>
cases have the same security properties and require the same types of secur=
ity<br>
controls?<br>
<br>
Are the IPSEC recommendations mentioned in the security considerations of<b=
r>
draft-ietf-dmm-deployment-models-04 applicable for all the cases?=C2=A0 =C2=
=A0Should<br>
these be pointed out in the security considerations section?<br>
<br>
<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond 5G Evolution&quot;: <a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/bey=
ond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div><br clear=3D"all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Special Issue &quot;Beyond 5G Evolution&quot;: <a hr=
ef=3D"https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g" ta=
rget=3D"_blank">https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/bey=
ond_5g</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></div>
</blockquote></div>

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This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis on 3GPP 5G System
        Authors         : Shunsuke Homma
                          Takuya Miyasaka
                          Satoru Matsushima
                          Daniel Voyer
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-03.txt
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        Title           : Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane
        Authors         : Satoru Matsushima
                          Clarence Filsfils
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Dear Satoru & Sri

Based on the inputs from  DMM group and offline discussions with other
folks at IETF105  we published the 05 version

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility/?include_text=1



It would be great if you can put at least 10 minutes for the above in the
agenda. Either John or I would present the same.

Cheers!

--
Uma C.
(on behalf of all co-authors)



On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 8:07 PM Satoru Matsushima <
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> Folks,
>
> The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106:
>
> 18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50)
>
> If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please send
> your request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the
> information in the request as following:
>
> The title of the presentation:
> Presenter name:
> Time you need:
> Draft reference:
>
> Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04 (November 4th).
>
> Reminder:
> The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the
> meeting).
>
> Dapeng & Sri & Satoru
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear Satoru &amp; Sri<div><br></div><div>=
Based on the inputs from=C2=A0 DMM group=C2=A0and offline discussions with =
other folks at IETF105=C2=A0 we published=C2=A0the 05 version</div><div><br=
></div><div><a href=3D"https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aw=
are-mobility/?include_text=3D1">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clt-=
dmm-tn-aware-mobility/?include_text=3D1</a>=C2=A0</div><div><br></div><div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div></div><div>It would be great if you can put at l=
east 10 minutes for the above in the agenda. Either John or I would present=
 the same.</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers!</div><div><br></div><div>--</di=
v><div>Uma C.</div><div>(on behalf of all co-authors)=C2=A0</div><div><br><=
/div><div>=C2=A0<br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"=
ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 8:07 PM Satoru Matsushima=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com">satoru.matsushima@gmail=
.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1=
ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Folks,</span>=
</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>The DM=
M chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106:</span></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr">18th November, Monday Afternoon=
 Session II (15:50-17:50)</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span></span><br><span>If y=
ou have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please send your r=
equest for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the information in=
 the request as following:</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></=
div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>The title of the presentation:</span></div><div =
dir=3D"ltr"><span>Presenter name:</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Time y=
ou need:</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Draft reference:=C2=A0</span><b=
r><br><span>Please have agenda items to us by=C2=A0<a dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"=
color:currentcolor;text-decoration-color:rgba(127,127,127,0.38)">2019-11-04=
</a>=C2=A0(<a dir=3D"ltr">November 4th</a>).</span><br><span></span><br><sp=
an>Reminder:</span></div><div dir=3D"ltr"><span>The draft cut-off date: 14t=
h November=C2=A0UTC=C2=A0<a dir=3D"ltr" style=3D"color:currentcolor;text-de=
coration-color:rgba(127,127,127,0.38)">23:59</a>=C2=A0(2 weeks before the m=
eeting).</span><br><span></span><br><span>Dapeng &amp; Sri &amp; Satoru</sp=
an><br></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br=
>
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Hi WG,

We have posted the following new draft, =
draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding,  which defines User =
Plane message encoding into SRH. We appreciate your review comments and =
suggestions.

Thanks,
Tetsuya


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts =
directories.


       Title           : User Plane Message Encoding
       Authors         : Tetsuya Murakami
                         Satoru Matsushima
                         Kentaro Ebisawa
                         Pablo Camarillo Garvia
                         Ravi Shekhar
	Filename        : =
draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding-00.txt
	Pages           : 8
	Date            : 2019-11-04

Abstract:
  This document defines the encoding of User Plane messages into
  Segment Routing Header (SRH).  The SRH carries the User Plane
  messages over SRv6 Network.


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charset=3Dus-ascii"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=3D"">Hi =
WG,<div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">We have posted =
the following new draft,&nbsp;<font face=3D"Helvetica Neue" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.85098);" =
class=3D"">draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding, &nbsp;which =
defines User Plane message encoding into SRH. We&nbsp;</span><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.85098); color: rgba(0, 0, 0, =
0.85098);" class=3D"">appreciate</span><span style=3D"color: rgba(0, 0, =
0, 0.85098);" class=3D"">&nbsp;your review comments and =
suggestions.</span></font></div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D""><font face=3D"Helvetica Neue" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.85098); color: rgba(0, 0, 0, =
0.85098);" class=3D"">Thanks,</span></font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Helvetica Neue" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgba(0, =
0, 0, 0.85098); color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.85098);" =
class=3D"">Tetsuya</span></font></div><div class=3D""><font =
face=3D"Helvetica Neue" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgba(0, =
0, 0, 0.85098); color: rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.85098);" class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></span></font></div><div class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"">A New Internet-Draft is =
available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Title =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: User Plane =
Message Encoding</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Authors =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: Tetsuya =
Murakami</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, =
0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;Satoru Matsushima</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;Kentaro Ebisawa</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;Pablo Camarillo Garvia</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nb=
sp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp=
;&nbsp;&nbsp;Ravi Shekhar</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); white-space: =
pre;">	</span><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0);" class=3D"">Filename &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: =
draft-murakami-dmm-user-plane-message-encoding-00.txt</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span=
 class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); white-space: pre;">	</span><span style=3D"caret-color:=
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: =
8</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, =
0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0); white-space: pre;">	</span><span =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"">Date =
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;: =
2019-11-04</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0);" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, =
0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"">Abstract:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color:=
 rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;This =
document defines the encoding of User Plane messages into</span><br =
style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span=
 style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;Segment Routing Header (SRH). &nbsp;The SRH =
carries the User Plane</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D""><span style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, =
0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" class=3D"">&nbsp;&nbsp;messages over SRv6 =
Network.</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, =
0);" class=3D""><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, =
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is:</span><br style=3D"caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); color: rgb(0, 0, 0);" =
class=3D""><a =
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Agenda is now posted. Please review.

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/agenda-106-dmm/

Presenters: Please send your slides by Sunday, 17th Nov, 6PM SGT.


Satoru & Sri


From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:dmm-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf of =
Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com<mailto:satoru.matsushima@gma=
il.com>>
Date: Monday, October 21, 2019 at 8:07 PM
To: dmm <dmm@ietf.org<mailto:dmm@ietf.org>>
Subject: [DMM] IETF106 - Call for Agenda Items

Folks,

The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106:

18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50)

If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please send yo=
ur request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the informatio=
n in the request as following:

The title of the presentation:
Presenter name:
Time you need:
Draft reference:

Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04<x-apple-data-detectors://0> (N=
ovember 4th<x-apple-data-detectors://1>).

Reminder:
The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59<x-apple-data-detectors://4>=
 (2 weeks before the meeting).

Dapeng & Sri & Satoru

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ima &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:satoru.matsushima@gmail.com">satoru.matsushima@gm=
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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>dmm &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dmm@i=
etf.org">dmm@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[DMM] IETF106 - Call for A=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">The DMM ch=
airs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106:</span></div>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50)</=
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"></span><br=
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<span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">If you have a draft or any =
topics you would like to discuss, please send your request for agenda time =
to the dmm chairs. Please include the information in the request as followi=
ng:</span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;"><br>
</span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">The title =
of the presentation:</span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Presenter =
name:</span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">Time you n=
eed:</span></div>
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rence:&nbsp;</span><br style=3D"-webkit-text-size-adjust: auto;">
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Subject: Re: [DMM] [Tsv-art] Tsvart last call review of draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-04
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Hi Carlos,

thanks for the update.  I checked and, well, I was hoping for more than
just a few statements in the text reflecting my comments below.
Actually, I was wondering if some of the protocol mechanisms would need
updating to make sure that everything works.

Given that the target of the document is experimental, missing bits may
not be such a big deal, it is for experimentation after all.  Still, for
example, pacing could be spec'ed more precisely.  And I am not sure how
much you guys thought about security associations altogether (I am not
a security person and I don't play one on TV either).  The secdir review
provided other comments.  Are all those taken care of now?

Best,
Jörg

On 02.11.19 12:45, CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO wrote:
> Hi Joerg,
> 
> We've just posted a new revision addressing your comments.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Carlos
> 
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 1:24 PM CARLOS JESUS BERNARDOS CANO 
> <cjbc@it.uc3m.es <mailto:cjbc@it.uc3m.es>> wrote:
> 
>     Thanks a lot Joerg for your very comprehensive review.
> 
>     We will carefully look at your comments and provide responses (with
>     proposals of text changes) in the next few days. I prefer to take
>     some time to properly address all your points.
> 
>     Thanks!
> 
>     Carlos
> 
>     On Mon, Oct 14, 2019 at 10:49 PM Joerg Ott via Datatracker
>     <noreply@ietf.org <mailto:noreply@ietf.org>> wrote:
> 
>         Reviewer: Joerg Ott
>         Review result: Ready with Issues
> 
>         Hi,
> 
>         this document has been reviewed as part of the transport area
>         review team's
>         ongoing effort to review key IETF documents. These comments were
>         written
>         primarily for the transport area directors, but are copied to
>         the document's
>         authors and WG to allow them to address any issues raised and
>         also to the IETF
>         discussion list for information.
> 
>         When done at the time of IETF Last Call, the authors should
>         consider this
>         review as part of the last-call comments they receive. Please
>         always CC
>         tsv-art@ietf.org <mailto:tsv-art@ietf.org> if you reply to or
>         forward this review.
> 
>         The draft defines extensions to Proxy Mobile IPv6 to support a
>         more distributed
>         variant of mobility management. In essence, as a mobile node
>         moves from one
>         point of attachment (Mobility Anchor and Access Router, MAAR) to
>         the next,
>         its routing prefix with the previous MAAR(s) remain(s) and
>         ongoing transport
>         layer connections remain active and routed indirectly via the
>         previous MAAR,
>         while new ones will use the present MAAR. The interactions of
>         MAARs are
>         managed via a Central Mobility Database (CMD).
> 
>         The draft is well written and good to follow, describing the
>         protocols and
>         extensions clearly. I just have two transport-specific concern
>         and two general
>         operational issues that require further clarification in the draft.
> 
>         The transport issues:
> 
>         T1. Section 3.2. When the CMD acts as a relay for Proxy Binding
>         Updates (PBUs)
>         and Proxy Binding Acts (PBAs), the CMD may act as a relay of a
>         single PBU to
>         multiple previous MAARs. If multiple previous MAARs exist, say
>         k, (and there
>         may be numerous in case of many fast handovers, e.g., with
>         vehicular networks),
>         the CMD creates k outgoing packets from a single incoming
>         packet. This bears
>         a certain amplification risk (which may also need to be
>         addressed in the security
>         considerations section) but it also may lead to packet bursts
>         originated from the
>         CMD, albeit to different targets. Other protocols start
>         introducing pacing to avoid
>         bursts on the outgoing link, even if the packets do take
>         different paths in the end.
>         This may be worthwhile considering.
> 
>         T2. Also in section 3.2, when relaying PBAs, the CMD serves as a
>         transport or
>         application endpoint and should have a way to deal with missing
>         responses
>         (after all, this is a connectionless protocol on top of an
>         unreliable Internet).
>         A timeout is only mentioned for aggregation, but even there
>         there the timeout
>         is not specified, nor is a reference to, e.g., RFC 5213 or so to
>         infer a timeout
>         used elsewhere.
> 
>         General issues:
> 
>         G1. Section 3.2 (again) specifies that responses are aggregated
>         on p.10. How
>         does response aggregation work? How is error handling done?
> 
>         Moreover, also on p.10, further below the draft states that if a
>         timer expires,
>         the requests already received are forwarded. The missing ones
>         come later.
>         This seems to contradict aggregation because the originator (the
>         currently
>         server MAAR) does not expect more than a single response if it
>         sent out a
>         single update. This may thus require updated processing in the MAAR.
> 
>         G2. Sect. 3.3 suggests that PBAs could be sent straight from the
>         previous MAAR
>         to the current MAAR. How does this work if security associations
>         are supposed
>         to be applied? It would seem that, when following the security
>         considerations,
>         such cases are not covered. At least, this would warrant further
>         explanation as
>         in this case we suddenly have three involved security
>         associations, which would
>         also need to be established.
> 
>         G3. Sect 3.5 discusses deregistration and suggests that this can
>         only be done by
>         timeout; I understand the rationale but can any risks arise on
>         continued resource
>         consumption (DoS attacks)?
> 
>         G4. Sect. 6.: As alluded to above, the security considerations
>         may need expanding.
> 
>         Nits:
>         p.12: "information are" -> "information is"
>         p.12: "influence on" -> "influence"
> 
> 
> 
>     -- 
>     Special Issue "Beyond 5G Evolution":
>     https://www.mdpi.com/journal/electronics/special_issues/beyond_5g
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Special Issue "Beyond 5G Evolution": 
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Hi



The following are the notes I captured on the Etherpad.  Comments I was not=
 able to capture are indicated with <?>.  Apologies in advance for any inco=
rrect attributions....

Cheers

D



DMM Monday 11/18/2019

Scribe #1: Dave Allan, Ericsson



Shunsuke: CT groups looking to complete work for release 16 in March. Can w=
e go to last call.

Suresh:  Requires WG review. We can also send a liaison.  Cannot see a way =
to complete this by March.



Sri: Status of different items.

FPC work ground to a halt, need a way forward.

Distributed Mobility Anchoring, shepherd notes need to be redone.  True for=
 proxy MIP as well.

Suresh: On-demand mobility management has an RFC number assigned.  It's don=
e.



SRv6 for Mobile User plane /Pablo

- summary of updates, removed insertion. Added drop-in, double ended GTP in=
terworking. removed support for unstructured PDU session type. Changes to h=
andling of ethernet means new allocations would be required.



Carlos: willing to review.



User plane message encoding-00:  Tetsuya Murakami



Goal is to carry GTP-U message information.  Proposes carrying information =
in the unused tag field in the SRv6 header (?) .  Proposed bit field defini=
tions for end-marker etc.



Add a TLV to carry 3GPP information.

Penultimate Segment Popping must NOT be used.



Proposed for WG adoption.



Uma: Purpose is to remove GTP completely and replace with SRv6.   Is there =
any use case to send from the UE itself?

Tetsuya:  <not captured>

Sri:  Does not extend to the UE.

Suresh: Spectrum is expensive. Do not want GTP on the air.

Dave: Stuff covered is either carried over PDCP or only of significance to =
the gNodeB. Do not need GTP to UE.



Sri: Need more feedback from WG and the AD.  Keep doing the work and we'll =
see about adoption.



Transport Network Aware Mobility for 5G, Uma, John K.



Current version narrows down choices for MTNC-ID in meta data.



Looking for mapping from PDU session layer to transport network paths.

Sri: Overlay to underlay mapping is not a new problem. Right.

Uma: What has been deployed used non-standardized ways of mapping. We're lo=
oking to streamline this.



John:  Wanted to converge on one solution. Added option for encoding contex=
t ID in th outer header--> source UDP port.

Sri: Where do you get this transport network context?

John: It is not IETF work to come up with this mapping. Believe they have a=
lso selected ACTN, but details still being resolved in SA5.  TNF is a logic=
al function, interfaces are IETF. 3GPP slice aspects NSSAI is related to wh=
at a user is supplied. May be 1000 customers and 3 slices.  Impacts N2 and =
N4.

Sri: Today you do mapping at a session level. What are the advantages of at=
 a slice level?

John: DSCP is not immutable. QFI is too deep for packet inspection.

Dave: Source port normally used for ECMP. Is this turned off?

John: in the text. Only certain ranges used (?)

Satoryu:  You are proposing using the source port for mapping. What WG woul=
d define this.

Uma:  This is a local mapping.  Not a WG problem and is backwards compatibl=
e.

Suresh: If rewriting UDP ports, are you redoing the checksums?

Uma: Done at the UPF where the UDP header originates.

Xuesong: VLAN should not be excluded.  Can user other encaps to respect the=
 information

John:  We can include that

Marco: UDP is a bi-directional thing.  Does the value need to be symmetric.

John: We are considering unidirectional flows. Assume some symmetry. If usi=
ng a range on the upstream, range does not need to correspond.  QFI itself =
insufficient.

Tasuya:  <?>

John: Range of the UDP port handled by the IP part.

Tasuya: So do not use existing PFCP <?>

John: What about WG adoption?

Sri: Can ask the group.

Xuesong: Map in the RAN to the backhaul, this is isolated work.

Sri:  How to take this up.

Xuesong:  In the same WG.  Not sure these are tied together and could be di=
fferent drafts.

John:  What part?

Xuesong: The solution space.

Carlos: Also willing to review.

Sri:  Need more discussion, good feedback.



Architecture Discussion on SRv6 mobile User plane, Miya Kohno



How to map mobility data plane.  Suggests SRv6 is the right choice for 5G.

Suggests an additional user plane ID is required for slice mapping.  PE red=
undancy is an additional requirement.

Goal is to have the UPF be part of the TN and not a CE.



3GPP entities do not care about IP routing??   Sidecar proxy can take care =
of communication state exchange.  BSID can be used for topology hiding.

URLLC with duplication and elimination requires modification of GTP-U.

Proposed for discussion.



John: Good points on URLLC. How does SRv6 allow paths to be disjoint?

Miya: Could provide TI-LFA and other tools. SR aware entities can directly =
control the mechanisms.

John: With a chain of N3/N9, how does SRv6 help?  <go offline>

Suresh: What is this a separate document?

Miya: SRv6 mobile user plane document simply describes the protocol. I want=
ed to discuss more the architectural implications.

Suresh: Text is useful, how it proceeds to be discussed. It is pretty depen=
dent on other stuff. This comes up in IESG as supporting documents.  If it =
is to be separate and progress need to think about the write up.

Sri: Good points.

Uma: Good questions are asked.  Can collapse GTPU and SRv6.  We are envisio=
ning a future of IPv6 only transport. When we started it ws NS1U.  This is =
a bigger discussion.

Marco: Service mesh, what does this have to do with slicing. It is an imple=
mentation matter.

Miya: Conventional box thinking needs to be evaluated.

Marco: What about proxies... <?>.

Miya:  IF there could be a proxy that could do all routing and forwarding s=
tuff and it sits in the host. We could provide routing in host.

Rajeev: Liked the side car analogy, so the proxy was adjacent to the applic=
ation itself.

Marco:  Sidecars function at a DHCP level.

Rajeev: There is also the notion of application routing. Lines are blurring=
 and have been for some time.

Suresh:  If in a sidecar, the app does not need to know about it.

Sri: Good work, needs more discussion.

Uma: This and the last presentation are very much connected.



Mobility capability negotiation and protocol selection  Zhiwei



Two categories, network and host based solutions.



Suggests a negotiating discipline.



Possible solutions for negotiation.

ICMPv6 gets a new option.



Suresh: Everything you say has been tried before. 2007-2008, it never worke=
d. If the network can do it, it will do it.  CMIP vs PMIP. The problem is n=
ot technical. There is no deployment scenario where this will be useful.  T=
here is a past history of failure.  Think about where and how you would use=
 this.



Sri: May want to work with a few people, get some feedback, and decide whet=
her to pursue.

Rajeev: For an endpoint attached to cellular, going to a site GW, where is =
this message going? Could be a side gateway.  SO this notion of something i=
n the RS an RA to allow mobility to work, needs to be compatible with outsi=
de of the cellular world.  It would have a low footprint.

Suresh: The other ones were RS RA based.

Uma:  Why did it fail, security or what?

Suresh: Not anchored in architectures anywhere.  For good or bad, architect=
ures done elsewhere.  Stuff need to be anchored or it goes nowhere. Deploym=
ent support. Everything Rajeev said was looked at.



YANG for Protocol for Forwarding Policy Configuration (FPC)/ Satoru



FPC did not touch any over the wire protocol. Decided to define a YANG mode=
l to provide an API.



After the update by Charlie, there has not been further work, so the draft =
has expired.



Continuing to pursue this dependent on group/industry interest.  Comments?



Marco: co-author. This stuff is pretty stable. Since we have two pretty mat=
ure parts, need to review. But we should progress them. Need reasonable rev=
iews to proceed. It would be a pity not to proceed.



Sri: Move this to the mailing list.  Need to go through the process and get=
 some reviews. Suresh agrees.



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<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Hi<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">The following are the notes I captured on the Eth=
erpad.&nbsp; Comments I was not able to capture are indicated with &lt;?&gt=
;.&nbsp; Apologies in advance for any incorrect attributions&#8230;.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Cheers<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">D<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">DMM Monday 11/18/2019 <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Scribe #1: Dave Allan, Ericsson<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Shunsuke: CT groups looking to complete work for =
release 16 in March. Can we go to last call.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh:&nbsp; Requires WG review. We can also sen=
d a liaison.&nbsp; Cannot see a way to complete this by March.&nbsp;&nbsp;<=
o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Status of different items.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">FPC work ground to a halt, need a way forward.&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Distributed Mobility Anchoring, shepherd notes ne=
ed to be redone.&nbsp; True for proxy MIP as well.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: On-demand mobility management has an RFC =
number assigned.&nbsp; It's done.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><u>SRv6 for Mobile User plane /Pablo<o:p></o:p></=
u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">- summary of updates, removed insertion. Added dr=
op-in, double ended GTP interworking. removed support for unstructured PDU =
session type. Changes to handling of ethernet means new allocations would b=
e required.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Carlos: willing to review.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><u><o:p><span style=3D"text-decoration:none">&nbs=
p;</span></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><u>User plane message encoding-00:&nbsp; Tetsuya =
Murakami<o:p></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Goal is to carry GTP-U message information.&nbsp;=
 Proposes carrying information in the unused tag field in the SRv6 header (=
?) .&nbsp; Proposed bit field definitions for end-marker etc.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Add a TLV to carry 3GPP information.&nbsp;<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Penultimate Segment Popping must NOT be used.&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Proposed for WG adoption.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Uma: Purpose is to remove GTP completely and repl=
ace with SRv6.&nbsp;&nbsp; Is there any use case to send from the UE itself=
?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Tetsuya:&nbsp; &lt;not captured&gt;<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri:&nbsp; Does not extend to the UE.<o:p></o:p><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: Spectrum is expensive. Do not want GTP on=
 the air.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Dave: Stuff covered is either carried over PDCP o=
r only of significance to the gNodeB. Do not need GTP to UE.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Need more feedback from WG and the AD.&nbsp;=
 Keep doing the work and we'll see about adoption.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><u>Transport Network Aware Mobility for 5G, Uma, =
John K.<o:p></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Current version narrows down choices for MTNC-ID =
in meta data.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Looking for mapping from PDU session layer to tra=
nsport network paths.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Overlay to underlay mapping is not a new pro=
blem. Right.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Uma: What has been deployed used non-standardized=
 ways of mapping. We're looking to streamline this.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John:&nbsp; Wanted to converge on one solution. A=
dded option for encoding context ID in th outer header--&gt; source UDP por=
t.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Where do you get this transport network cont=
ext?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: It is not IETF work to come up with this ma=
pping. Believe they have also selected ACTN, but details still being resolv=
ed in SA5.&nbsp; TNF is a logical function, interfaces are IETF. 3GPP slice=
 aspects NSSAI is related to what a user
 is supplied. May be 1000 customers and 3 slices.&nbsp; Impacts N2 and N4.&=
nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Today you do mapping at a session level. Wha=
t are the advantages of at a slice level?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: DSCP is not immutable. QFI is too deep for =
packet inspection.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Dave: Source port normally used for ECMP. Is this=
 turned off?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: in the text. Only certain ranges used (?)<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Satoryu:&nbsp; You are proposing using the source=
 port for mapping. What WG would define this.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Uma:&nbsp; This is a local mapping.&nbsp; Not a W=
G problem and is backwards compatible.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: If rewriting UDP ports, are you redoing t=
he checksums?&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Uma: Done at the UPF where the UDP header origina=
tes.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Xuesong: VLAN should not be excluded.&nbsp; Can u=
ser other encaps to respect the information<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John:&nbsp; We can include that<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Marco: UDP is a bi-directional thing.&nbsp; Does =
the value need to be symmetric.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: We are considering unidirectional flows. As=
sume some symmetry. If using a range on the upstream, range does not need t=
o correspond.&nbsp; QFI itself insufficient.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Tasuya:&nbsp; &lt;?&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: Range of the UDP port handled by the IP par=
t.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Tasuya: So do not use existing PFCP &lt;?&gt;<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: What about WG adoption?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Can ask the group.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Xuesong: Map in the RAN to the backhaul, this is =
isolated work.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri:&nbsp; How to take this up.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Xuesong:&nbsp; In the same WG.&nbsp; Not sure the=
se are tied together and could be different drafts.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John:&nbsp; What part?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Xuesong: The solution space.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Carlos: Also willing to review.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri:&nbsp; Need more discussion, good feedback.<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><u>Architecture Discussion on SRv6 mobile User pl=
ane, Miya Kohno<o:p></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">How to map mobility data plane.&nbsp; Suggests SR=
v6 is the right choice for 5G.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suggests an additional user plane ID is required =
for slice mapping.&nbsp; PE redundancy is an additional requirement.<o:p></=
o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Goal is to have the UPF be part of the TN and not=
 a CE.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">3GPP entities do not care about IP routing??&nbsp=
;&nbsp; Sidecar proxy can take care of communication state exchange.&nbsp; =
BSID can be used for topology hiding.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">URLLC with duplication and elimination requires m=
odification of GTP-U.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Proposed for discussion.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: Good points on URLLC. How does SRv6 allow p=
aths to be disjoint?&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Miya: Could provide TI-LFA and other tools. SR aw=
are entities can directly control the mechanisms.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">John: With a chain of N3/N9, how does SRv6 help?&=
nbsp; &lt;go offline&gt;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: What is this a separate document?&nbsp;&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Miya: SRv6 mobile user plane document simply desc=
ribes the protocol. I wanted to discuss more the architectural implications=
.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: Text is useful, how it proceeds to be dis=
cussed. It is pretty dependent on other stuff. This comes up in IESG as sup=
porting documents.&nbsp; If it is to be separate and progress need to think=
 about the write up.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Good points.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Uma: Good questions are asked.&nbsp; Can collapse=
 GTPU and SRv6.&nbsp; We are envisioning a future of IPv6 only transport. W=
hen we started it ws NS1U.&nbsp; This is a bigger discussion.<o:p></o:p></p=
>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Marco: Service mesh, what does this have to do wi=
th slicing. It is an implementation matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Miya: Conventional box thinking needs to be evalu=
ated.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Marco: What about proxies... &lt;?&gt;.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Miya:&nbsp; IF there could be a proxy that could =
do all routing and forwarding stuff and it sits in the host. We could provi=
de routing in host.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Rajeev: Liked the side car analogy, so the proxy =
was adjacent to the application itself.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Marco:&nbsp; Sidecars function at a DHCP level.&n=
bsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Rajeev: There is also the notion of application r=
outing. Lines are blurring and have been for some time.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh:&nbsp; If in a sidecar, the app does not n=
eed to know about it.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Good work, needs more discussion.&nbsp;&nbsp=
;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Uma: This and the last presentation are very much=
 connected.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><u>Mobility capability negotiation and protocol s=
election&nbsp; Zhiwei<o:p></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Two categories, network and host based solutions.=
&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suggests a negotiating discipline.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Possible solutions for negotiation.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o=
:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">ICMPv6 gets a new option.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: Everything you say has been tried before.=
 2007-2008, it never worked. If the network can do it, it will do it.&nbsp;=
 CMIP vs PMIP. The problem is not technical. There is no deployment scenari=
o where this will be useful.&nbsp; There is
 a past history of failure.&nbsp; Think about where and how you would use t=
his.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: May want to work with a few people, get some=
 feedback, and decide whether to pursue.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Rajeev: For an endpoint attached to cellular, goi=
ng to a site GW, where is this message going? Could be a side gateway.&nbsp=
; SO this notion of something in the RS an RA to allow mobility to work, ne=
eds to be compatible with outside of the
 cellular world.&nbsp; It would have a low footprint.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: The other ones were RS RA based.&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Uma:&nbsp; Why did it fail, security or what?<o:p=
></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Suresh: Not anchored in architectures anywhere.&n=
bsp; For good or bad, architectures done elsewhere.&nbsp; Stuff need to be =
anchored or it goes nowhere. Deployment support. Everything Rajeev said was=
 looked at.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><u>YANG for Protocol for Forwarding Policy Config=
uration (FPC)/ Satoru<o:p></o:p></u></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">FPC did not touch any over the wire protocol. Dec=
ided to define a YANG model to provide an API.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">After the update by Charlie, there has not been f=
urther work, so the draft has expired.&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Continuing to pursue this dependent on group/indu=
stry interest.&nbsp; Comments?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Marco: co-author. This stuff is pretty stable. Si=
nce we have two pretty mature parts, need to review. But we should progress=
 them. Need reasonable reviews to proceed. It would be a pity not to procee=
d.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Sri: Move this to the mailing list.&nbsp; Need to=
 go through the process and get some reviews. Suresh agrees.&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:=
p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">Session Closed<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoPlainText"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>
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