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Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:55:24 +0000 From: "Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Comment to draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-03.txt and draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-07.txt Thread-Index: AdXBYROV+lEp+kVeQV21KZPI+nN4hQ== Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2020 11:55:24 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: spf=none (sender IP is ) smtp.mailfrom=hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com; x-originating-ip: [131.228.2.5] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 6d671032-0d9f-4ae8-6487-08d78f7aa6f0 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: HE1PR07MB4346: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:7691; x-forefront-prvs: 0270ED2845 x-forefront-antispam-report: SFV:NSPM; SFS:(10019020)(346002)(366004)(376002)(39860400002)(136003)(396003)(199004)(189003)(5660300002)(52536014)(66946007)(2906002)(76116006)(26005)(86362001)(478600001)(4744005)(186003)(33656002)(71200400001)(66446008)(9686003)(66556008)(7696005)(8676002)(81156014)(6916009)(6506007)(66476007)(316002)(8936002)(64756008)(81166006)(55016002); 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-03.txt says that "This work is correspond= ing to the User Plane Protocol Study work on 3GPP side." In order to appreciate that intent and to keep 3GPP and DMM views somehow a= ligned, I would suggest that in this document and preferably also in draft-= ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-07.txt you will add a mentioning about outcome = of the 3GPP user plan study that concludes that "3GPP has concluded to not = standardize the SRv6 user plane protocol" [TR29.892]. Best regards Hannu --_000_HE1PR07MB3306F9EC173131B3D4F5F9049B200HE1PR07MB3306eurp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello

 

Draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analys= is-03.txt says that “This work is corresponding to the User Plane Pro= tocol Study work on 3GPP side.”

 

In order to appreciate that int= ent and to keep 3GPP and DMM views somehow aligned, I would suggest that in= this document and preferably also in draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-07.= txt you will add a mentioning about outcome of the 3GPP user plan study that concludes that “3GPP has co= ncluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane protocol” [TR29.892].<= o:p>

 

 

Best regards<= /p>

Hannu

 

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dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34028120147; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 10:57:21 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.115.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157799144118.6353.10313937352359894634@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 10:57:21 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] IPR Disclosure Nokia Technologies Oy's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2020 18:57:21 -0000 Dear Satoru Matsushima, Clarence Filsfils, Miya Kohno, Pablo Camarillo, Daniel Voyer, Charles E. Perkins: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane" (draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2020-01-02 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3950/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Nokia Technologies Oy's Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane" Thank you IETF Secretariat From nobody Thu Jan 2 23:43:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07EA8120072 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:43:04 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7MLiqq3tRX21 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:43:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-lj1-x235.google.com (mail-lj1-x235.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4864:20::235]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AE22C120019 for ; Thu, 2 Jan 2020 23:43:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-lj1-x235.google.com with SMTP id o13so31612564ljg.4 for ; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 23:43:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=mBLX/xWYjUfLBzPqpAxg1dP7PnCo4CI4/0HroE5v1f4=; b=cCb/9Geeh+8wyxjk+ygvgMLEuDimXODTOpOIgthiHNd69CreAWqMNt81deVoJuhZGG u9JVsVLwx6KX3F+giM41rHf++eKAbcFLZ/26XzWDUagff91KQ1JV9OX7WLGRg//pVzjQ IxdvFaHTft94dW70C3qV3GDj+eQlGp8CgDG3sy0bdEzTeRoI1s8HHL6G6xTbeXIZbpvd wrbBc4/5RrONYSbdTns/yaQll+QRVVPo+LSGPMP6wP98r1rhz1OWIuTGXC0o7vWi3Pcu 6D45mArrFCKlPehI654SQ9RGnStBTYvuxUwI2Gm/hGK+Hh3aRZQPQRERTxarzh9KJfW3 OEmg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=mBLX/xWYjUfLBzPqpAxg1dP7PnCo4CI4/0HroE5v1f4=; b=hUUsgDUOH3EF6vqBY8m/Llfce6vMEXmSkI19TBxYP9jf4QoHaXRAPhkQvYNDds0llC 2fDgE4KsQqOUNpooEjldqGnZPZJsRay2f0UgyMy+cVK3886hrOnWpHJ9R0KcVtz4AGL+ BrOVzGDW04DPDdFTqjGmauHqhrxzF3NlWDDBgNDJ+kIhiGtZCmkgV+Dm/59wNi1fx+9N JRnC8KC3Yrm1AB1BZ+xz1NSIVnH5W8VlILGYHWJmkNVrFjGJCfoEInpJYQC+1kF46Eow jP7iAumVCJ+BWq0ZTz23qVM7tB2eSLMng1wn1xEb8UiUxoll0zwHDKl9YIoLEp1kCOTI pc3g== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU+Q6Qq3kXicfVSfFvUPtmoK/m/seYn6e09t9vrd2SCuGM8YQA+ BITO/J/0JFQXcTWGFnKE91b4wJrRk7i4KVhuOO4= X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwNwb9rwv1uQ8wLx+ScIFIHFPy9VobfDBJqRrR/WSjODdxG4YmNWorsCGuwiXBschA9GXYtbm+hFXkz0S3vhlI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:651c:1110:: with SMTP id d16mr52684132ljo.86.1578037379963; Thu, 02 Jan 2020 23:42:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <49BD327C-5377-4166-BC7C-9F5FBA7FD4E3@gmail.com> <602C6C0B-B325-440D-BFA1-609B9A7F6EF1@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Miya Kohno Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2020 16:42:47 +0900 Message-ID: To: "Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" Cc: Satoru Matsushima , "fclad@cisco.com" , dmm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000079a15a059b3775d2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF106 - Call for Agenda Items X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2020 07:43:04 -0000 --00000000000079a15a059b3775d2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Hannu, Thank you for your review and comments! We will certainly mention it in the next version of the draft. Thanks, Miya On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:04 PM Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) < hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com> wrote: > Hello Miya and other authors of the draft > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt > > > > Your draft notes that SRv6 mobile user plane has been proposed as an > alternative way to complement or replace GTP-U both in IETF > [I-D.ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane] and 3GPP [TR.29892]. All the aspects > (pros and cons) replacing GTP have already been assessed in details in th= e > TR you are quoting. And in the conclusion section of the very same TR > states that: > > > > =E2=80=9CA technical vote took place during CT4#93 (26-30 August 2019) wi= th the > following question and results: > > Question: Do you want to standardize SRv6 user plane protocol (w/o GTP-U) > as described in clause 6.2.2 of TR 29.892? > > Results: > YES: 13.924 % > NO: 86.076 % > The quorum was reached. > > It was therefore concluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane protoco= l > (without GTP-U) solution within the scope of this study (i.e. based on > stage 2 requirements specified in Rel-16).=E2=80=9D > > > > I think it would be worth of mentioning in this draft as well. > > > > Best regards > > Hannu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* dmm *On Behalf Of *Miya Kohno > *Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2019 7:39 PM > *To:* Satoru Matsushima > *Cc:* fclad@cisco.com; dmm > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] IETF106 - Call for Agenda Items > > > > Dear DMM chairs, > > > > I would like to request a slot to discuss about the following draft. > > > > --------------- > > The title of the presentation: Architecture Discussion on SRv6 Mobile Use= r > plane > Presenter name: Miya Kohno > Time you need: 15min > Draft reference: > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt > > --------------- > > > > Thanks! > > Miya > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:49 AM Satoru Matsushima < > satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote: > > One correction for a typo: > > > Reminder: > > The draft cut-off date: 4th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the > meeting). > > > Regards, > --satoru > > > > 2019/10/22 12:07=E3=80=81Satoru Matsushima =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB: > > > > Folks, > > > > The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106: > > > > 18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50) > > > > If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please sen= d > your request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the > information in the request as following: > > > > The title of the presentation: > > Presenter name: > > Time you need: > > Draft reference: > > > > Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04 (November 4th). > > > > Reminder: > > The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the > meeting). > > > > Dapeng & Sri & Satoru > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > --00000000000079a15a059b3775d2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Hannu,

Thank you for your= review and comments!
We will certainly mention it in the ne= xt version of the draft.

Thanks,
Mi= ya

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 9:04 PM Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)= <hannu.flinck@nokia= -bell-labs.com> wrote:

Hello Miya and other authors of= the draft https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt<= /a>

=C2=A0

Your draft notes that=C2=A0 SRv= 6 mobile user plane has been proposed as an alternative way to complement o= r replace GTP-U both in IETF [I-D.ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane] and 3GPP [TR= .29892]. All the aspects (pros and cons) replacing GTP = have already been assessed in details in the TR you are quoting. And in the= conclusion section of the very same TR states that:

=C2=A0

= =E2=80=9CA technical vote took place during CT4#93 (26-30 August 2019) with= the following question and results:<= /span>

Question: Do you want to standardize SRv6 user plane pro= tocol (w/o GTP-U) as described in clause 6.2.2 of TR=C2=A029.892?

Results:
YES:=C2=A0=C2=A0 13.924 %
NO:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 86.076 %
The quorum was reached.

It= was therefore concluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane protocol (w= ithout GTP-U) solution within the scope of this study (i.e. based on stage = 2 requirements specified in Rel-16).=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

I think it would be worth of me= ntioning in this draft as well.

=C2=A0

Best regards

Hannu

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Miya Kohno
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 7:39 PM
To: Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
Cc: fclad@cisco= .com; dmm <dmm@iet= f.org>
Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF106 - Call for Agenda Items

=C2=A0

Dear DMM chairs,

=C2=A0

I would like to request a slot to discuss about the = following draft.

=C2=A0

---------------

The title of the presentation: Architecture Discussi= on on SRv6 Mobile User plane
Presenter name: Miya Kohno
Time you need: 15min
Draft reference: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt

---------------

=C2=A0

Thanks!

Miya

=C2=A0

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:49 AM Satoru Matsushima &= lt;satoru.= matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:

One correction for a typo:

> Reminder:
> The draft cut-off date: 4th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the mee= ting).


Regards,
--satoru


> 2019/10/22 12:07=E3= =80=81Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>
> Folks,
>
> The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106: >
> 18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50)
>
> If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please se= nd your request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the infor= mation in the request as following:
>
> The title of the presentation:
> Presenter name:
> Time you need:
> Draft reference:
>
> Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04 (November 4th).
>
> Reminder:
> The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the me= eting).
>
> Dapeng & Sri & Satoru

_______________________________________________
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Thanks for this information Hannu. Regards, Behcet On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:04 AM Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) < hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com> wrote: > Hello Miya and other authors of the draft > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt > > > > Your draft notes that SRv6 mobile user plane has been proposed as an > alternative way to complement or replace GTP-U both in IETF > [I-D.ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane] and 3GPP [TR.29892]. All the aspects > (pros and cons) replacing GTP have already been assessed in details in th= e > TR you are quoting. And in the conclusion section of the very same TR > states that: > > > > =E2=80=9CA technical vote took place during CT4#93 (26-30 August 2019) wi= th the > following question and results: > > Question: Do you want to standardize SRv6 user plane protocol (w/o GTP-U) > as described in clause 6.2.2 of TR 29.892? > > Results: > YES: 13.924 % > NO: 86.076 % > The quorum was reached. > > It was therefore concluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane protoco= l > (without GTP-U) solution within the scope of this study (i.e. based on > stage 2 requirements specified in Rel-16).=E2=80=9D > > > > I think it would be worth of mentioning in this draft as well. > > > > Best regards > > Hannu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *From:* dmm *On Behalf Of *Miya Kohno > *Sent:* Friday, November 1, 2019 7:39 PM > *To:* Satoru Matsushima > *Cc:* fclad@cisco.com; dmm > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] IETF106 - Call for Agenda Items > > > > Dear DMM chairs, > > > > I would like to request a slot to discuss about the following draft. > > > > --------------- > > The title of the presentation: Architecture Discussion on SRv6 Mobile Use= r > plane > Presenter name: Miya Kohno > Time you need: 15min > Draft reference: > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt > > --------------- > > > > Thanks! > > Miya > > > > On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:49 AM Satoru Matsushima < > satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote: > > One correction for a typo: > > > Reminder: > > The draft cut-off date: 4th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the > meeting). > > > Regards, > --satoru > > > > 2019/10/22 12:07=E3=80=81Satoru Matsushima =E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB: > > > > Folks, > > > > The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106: > > > > 18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50) > > > > If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please sen= d > your request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the > information in the request as following: > > > > The title of the presentation: > > Presenter name: > > Time you need: > > Draft reference: > > > > Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04 (November 4th). > > > > Reminder: > > The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the > meeting). > > > > Dapeng & Sri & Satoru > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > --000000000000b641b8059b7b47a5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Happy New Year everyone!

Thanks for thi= s information Hannu.

Regards,
Behcet

On Thu, Jan 2, 2020 at 6:04 AM Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) <hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs= .com> wrote:

Hello Miya and other authors of= the draft https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt<= /a>

=C2=A0

Your draft notes that=C2=A0 SRv= 6 mobile user plane has been proposed as an alternative way to complement o= r replace GTP-U both in IETF [I-D.ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane] and 3GPP [TR= .29892]. All the aspects (pros and cons) replacing GTP = have already been assessed in details in the TR you are quoting. And in the= conclusion section of the very same TR states that:

=C2=A0

= =E2=80=9CA technical vote took place during CT4#93 (26-30 August 2019) with= the following question and results:<= /span>

Question: Do you want to standardize SRv6 user plane pro= tocol (w/o GTP-U) as described in clause 6.2.2 of TR=C2=A029.892?

Results:
YES:=C2=A0=C2=A0 13.924 %
NO:=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 86.076 %
The quorum was reached.

It= was therefore concluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane protocol (w= ithout GTP-U) solution within the scope of this study (i.e. based on stage = 2 requirements specified in Rel-16).=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

I think it would be worth of me= ntioning in this draft as well.

=C2=A0

Best regards

Hannu

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Miya Kohno
Sent: Friday, November 1, 2019 7:39 PM
To: Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>
Cc: fclad@cisco= .com; dmm <dmm@iet= f.org>
Subject: Re: [DMM] IETF106 - Call for Agenda Items

=C2=A0

Dear DMM chairs,

=C2=A0

I would like to request a slot to discuss about the = following draft.

=C2=A0

---------------

The title of the presentation: Architecture Discussi= on on SRv6 Mobile User plane
Presenter name: Miya Kohno
Time you need: 15min
Draft reference: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-kohno-dmm-srv6mob-arch-00.txt

---------------

=C2=A0

Thanks!

Miya

=C2=A0

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 11:49 AM Satoru Matsushima &= lt;satoru.= matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:

One correction for a typo:

> Reminder:
> The draft cut-off date: 4th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the mee= ting).


Regards,
--satoru


> 2019/10/22 12:07=E3= =80=81Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1=E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:
>
> Folks,
>
> The DMM chairs are planning the dmm meeting in Singapore at IETF106: >
> 18th November, Monday Afternoon Session II (15:50-17:50)
>
> If you have a draft or any topics you would like to discuss, please se= nd your request for agenda time to the dmm chairs. Please include the infor= mation in the request as following:
>
> The title of the presentation:
> Presenter name:
> Time you need:
> Draft reference:
>
> Please have agenda items to us by 2019-11-04 (November 4th).
>
> Reminder:
> The draft cut-off date: 14th November UTC 23:59 (2 weeks before the me= eting).
>
> Dapeng & Sri & Satoru

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Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2020 09:26:27 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01D5C651.1AAC7CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi Hannu, Thank you for your comment. Actually, draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis was started as related work of UPPS in 3GPP, but this is neutral analysis of 5G user plane and not tied to specific IETF protocol. Thus, it seems not appropriate to conclude with description related to SRv6, an IETF specific protocol. Also, if some of dmm folks can recognize worth on this work itself, we will be able to change the introduction and conclusion to be independent of UPPS. Anyway, we'll consider conclusion of this document. Thank you very much. Regards, Shunsuke From: dmm On Behalf Of Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 8:55 PM To: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] Comment to draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-03.txt and draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-07.txt Hello Draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-03.txt says that "This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol Study work on 3GPP side." In order to appreciate that intent and to keep 3GPP and DMM views somehow aligned, I would suggest that in this document and preferably also in draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-07.txt you will add a mentioning about outcome of the 3GPP user plan study that concludes that "3GPP has concluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane protocol" [TR29.892]. Best regards Hannu ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01D5C651.1AAC7CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi = Hannu,

 

Thank you for your comment. =

 

Actually, = draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis was started as related work of UPPS in = 3GPP, but this is neutral analysis of 5G user plane and not tied to = specific IETF protocol. Thus,  it seems not appropriate to conclude = with description related to SRv6, an IETF specific = protocol.

 

Also, if some of dmm folks can = recognize worth on this work itself, we will be able to change the = introduction and conclusion to be independent of = UPPS.

 

Anyway, we'll consider = conclusion of this document.

 

Thank you very = much.

 

Regards,

 

Shunsuke

 

From: dmm = <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - = FI/Espoo)
Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2020 8:55 = PM
To: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [DMM] Comment to = draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-03.txt and = draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-07.txt

 

Hello

 

Draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-03.txt says that = “This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol Study work = on 3GPP side.”

 

In order to appreciate that intent and to keep 3GPP and DMM = views somehow aligned, I would suggest that in this document and = preferably also in draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane-07.txt you will add = a mentioning about outcome of the 3GPP user plan study that concludes = that “3GPP has concluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane = protocol” [TR29.892].

 

 

Best = regards

Hannu

 

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01D5C651.1AAC7CA0-- From nobody Thu Jan 23 14:29:21 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DB7D120105; Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:29:15 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Secretariat To: Cc: ipr-announce@ietf.org, dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.116.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <157981855563.22806.6116433763763452052@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 14:29:15 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] IPR Disclosure Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 22:29:16 -0000 Dear Satoru Matsushima, Clarence Filsfils, Miya Kohno, Pablo Camarillo, Daniel Voyer, Charles E. Perkins: An IPR disclosure that pertains to your Internet-Draft entitled "Segment Routing IPv6 for Mobile User Plane" (draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane) was submitted to the IETF Secretariat on 2020-01-23 and has been posted on the "IETF Page of Intellectual Property Rights Disclosures" (https://datatracker.ietf.org/ipr/3979/). The title of the IPR disclosure is "Cisco Systems, Inc.'s Statement about IPR related to draft-ietf-dmm-srv6-mobile-uplane" Thank you IETF Secretariat