From nobody Fri Oct 2 06:39:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB12E3A162F; Fri, 2 Oct 2020 06:39:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: IETF Meeting Session Request Tool To: Cc: sgundave@cisco.com, dmm-chairs@ietf.org, dmm@ietf.org, ek.ietf@gmail.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.18.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <160164598881.17366.6375185282481269690@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 06:39:48 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] dmm - New Meeting Session Request for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Oct 2020 13:39:49 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Sri Gundavelli, a Chair of the dmm working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management Area Name: Internet Area Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 1 Hour Number of Attendees: 35 Conflicts to Avoid: People who must be present: Sri Gundavelli Erik Kline Dapeng Liu Satoru Matsushima Resources Requested: Special Requests: --------------------------------------------------------- From nobody Fri Oct 9 15:08:14 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B173A159B; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:08:13 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, CTE_8BIT_MISMATCH=0.999, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BPgROzyYnna1; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from rfc-editor.org (rfc-editor.org [4.31.198.49]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8DFF3A1597; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:08:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by rfc-editor.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 41A1DF406C9; Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:07:57 -0700 (PDT) To: ietf-announce@ietf.org, rfc-dist@rfc-editor.org X-PHP-Originating-Script: 1005:ams_util_lib.php From: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org Cc: rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org, drafts-update-ref@iana.org, dmm@ietf.org Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Message-Id: <20201009220757.41A1DF406C9@rfc-editor.org> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 15:07:57 -0700 (PDT) Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] =?utf-8?q?RFC_8885_on_Proxy_Mobile_IPv6_Extensions_for_Dis?= =?utf-8?q?tributed_Mobility_Management?= X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Oct 2020 22:08:13 -0000 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 8885 Title: Proxy Mobile IPv6 Extensions for Distributed Mobility Management Author: CJ. Bernardos, A. de la Oliva, F. Giust, JC. Zúñiga, A. Mourad Status: Experimental Stream: IETF Date: October 2020 Mailbox: cjbc@it.uc3m.es, aoliva@it.uc3m.es, fabio.giust.research@gmail.com, j.c.zuniga@ieee.org, alain.mourad@interdigital.com Pages: 25 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-06.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8885 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8885 Distributed Mobility Management solutions allow networks to be set up in such a way that traffic is distributed optimally and centrally deployed anchors are not relied upon to provide IP mobility support. There are many different approaches to address Distributed Mobility Management -- for example, extending network-based mobility protocols (like Proxy Mobile IPv6) or client-based mobility protocols (like Mobile IPv6), among others. This document follows the former approach and proposes a solution based on Proxy Mobile IPv6, in which mobility sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router (called the mobility anchor and access router). The mobility anchor and access router is an enhanced access router that is also able to operate as a local mobility anchor or mobility access gateway on a per-prefix basis. The document focuses on the required extensions to effectively support the simultaneous anchoring several flows at different distributed gateways. This document is a product of the Distributed Mobility Management Working Group of the IETF. EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requested. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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Distributed Mobility Management X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:13:27 -0000 --000000000000190cf205b1b7ed93 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks a lot Sri! Carlos On Wed, Oct 14, 2020 at 8:30 PM Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: > Nice! Congrats to all the authors and the WG. > > Sri > > =EF=BB=BFOn 10/9/20, 3:07 PM, "dmm on behalf of rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org= " < > dmm-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote: > > A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. > > > RFC 8885 > > Title: Proxy Mobile IPv6 Extensions for > Distributed Mobility Management > Author: CJ. Bernardos, > A. de la Oliva, > F. Giust, > JC. Z=C3=BA=C3=B1iga, > A. Mourad > Status: Experimental > Stream: IETF > Date: October 2020 > Mailbox: cjbc@it.uc3m.es, > aoliva@it.uc3m.es, > fabio.giust.research@gmail.com, > j.c.zuniga@ieee.org, > alain.mourad@interdigital.com > Pages: 25 > Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None > > I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dmm-pmipv6-dlif-06.txt > > URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8885 > > DOI: 10.17487/RFC8885 > > Distributed Mobility Management solutions allow networks to be set up > in such a way that traffic is distributed optimally and centrally > deployed anchors are not relied upon to provide IP mobility support. > > There are many different approaches to address Distributed Mobility > Management -- for example, extending network-based mobility protocols > (like Proxy Mobile IPv6) or client-based mobility protocols (like > Mobile IPv6), among others. This document follows the former approach > and proposes a solution based on Proxy Mobile IPv6, in which mobility > sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router (called the mobility > anchor and access router). The mobility anchor and access router is > an enhanced access router that is also able to operate as a local > mobility anchor or mobility access gateway on a per-prefix basis. The > document focuses on the required extensions to effectively support > the simultaneous anchoring several flows at different distributed > gateways. > > This document is a product of the Distributed Mobility Management > Working Group of the IETF. > > > EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for the > Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any > kind. 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Thanks a lot Sri!

Carlos
On Wed, O= ct 14, 2020 at 8:30 PM Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote= :
Nice! Congrats= to all the authors and the WG.

Sri

=EF=BB=BFOn 10/9/20, 3:07 PM, "dmm on behalf of rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org"= ; <dmm-bounces= @ietf.org on behalf of rfc-editor@rfc-editor.org> wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC lib= raries.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 RFC 8885

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Proxy = Mobile IPv6 Extensions for
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 Distributed Mobility Management
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Author:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0CJ. Be= rnardos,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 A. de la Oliva,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 F. Giust,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 JC. Z=C3=BA=C3=B1iga,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 A. Mourad
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Status:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Experi= mental
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Stream:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0IETF =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0O= ctober 2020
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mailbox:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 cjbc@it.uc3m.es,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 aoliva@it= .uc3m.es,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 fabio.giust.research@gmail.com,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 j.c.zun= iga@ieee.org,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 alain.mourad@interdigital.com
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 25
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso:=C2=A0 = =C2=A0None

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 I-D Tag:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 draft-ietf-= dmm-pmipv6-dlif-06.txt

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 URL:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 <= a href=3D"https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8885" rel=3D"noreferrer" targe= t=3D"_blank">https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8885

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 DOI:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1= 0.17487/RFC8885

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Distributed Mobility Management solutions allow networks to b= e set up
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 in such a way that traffic is distributed optimally and centr= ally
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 deployed anchors are not relied upon to provide IP mobility s= upport.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 There are many different approaches to address Distributed Mo= bility
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Management -- for example, extending network-based mobility p= rotocols
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (like Proxy Mobile IPv6) or client-based mobility protocols (= like
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Mobile IPv6), among others. This document follows the former = approach
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 and proposes a solution based on Proxy Mobile IPv6, in which = mobility
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sessions are anchored at the last IP hop router (called the m= obility
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 anchor and access router). The mobility anchor and access rou= ter is
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 an enhanced access router that is also able to operate as a l= ocal
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 mobility anchor or mobility access gateway on a per-prefix ba= sis. The
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 document focuses on the required extensions to effectively su= pport
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the simultaneous anchoring several flows at different distrib= uted
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 gateways.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 This document is a product of the Distributed Mobility Manage= ment Working Group of the IETF.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 EXPERIMENTAL: This memo defines an Experimental Protocol for = the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Internet community.=C2=A0 It does not specify an Internet sta= ndard of any
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 kind. Discussion and suggestions for improvement are requeste= d.
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Contreras" , Praveen Muley , Richard Li , Sridhar Bhaskaran , Jeff Tantsura Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000600dc205b1ce218a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:42:48 -0000 --000000000000600dc205b1ce218a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Dear DMM experts, This version is a refresh but all comments received (offline and during the presentation at IETF106) were addressed. Any further comments/suggestions are most welcome. -- Uma C. On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM wrote: > > A new version of I-D, draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > has been successfully submitted by Uma Chunduri and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name: draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility > Revision: 07 > Title: Transport Network aware Mobility for 5G > Document date: 2020-09-28 > Group: Individual Submission > Pages: 28 > URL: > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility/ > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07 > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07 > > Abstract: > This document specifies a framework and mapping from slices in 5G > mobile systems to transport slices in IP and Layer 2 transport > networks. Slices in 5G systems are characterized by latency bounds, > reservation guarantees, jitter, data rates, availability, mobility > speed, usage density, criticality and priority should be mapped to > transport slice characteristics that include bandwidth, latency and > criteria such as isolation, directionality and disjoint routes. > Mobile slice criteria need to be mapped to the appropriate transport > slice and capabilities offered in backhaul, midhaul and fronthaul > connectivity segments between radio side network functions and user > plane function (gateway). > > This document describes how mobile network functions map its slice > criteria to identifiers in IP packets that transport segments use to > grant transport layer services. This is based on mapping between > mobile and IP transport underlays (IPv6, MPLS, IPv4, Segment > Routing). Applicability of this framework and a new transport > network underlay routing mechanism, Preferred Path Routing (PPR), > which brings slice properties and works with any underlying transport > (L2, IPv4, SR and MPLS) is also discussed. > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > The IETF Secretariat > > > --000000000000600dc205b1ce218a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear DMM experts,

This version is a ref= resh but all=C2=A0comments received=C2=A0(offline and during the presentati= on at IETF106) were addressed.

Any further comment= s/suggestions are most welcome.

--
Uma C= .


On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM <internet-drafts@ietf.org> wrote:

A new version of I-D, draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt
has been successfully submitted by Uma Chunduri and posted to the
IETF repository.

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Abstract:
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document describes how mobile network functions map its s= lice
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Dear All, As I indicated, https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07 was mostly a refresh. We are seeking to request WG adoption of this soom and would be happy to hear any feedback before too. -- Uma C. On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Kaippallimalil John < john.kaippallimalil@futurewei.com> wrote: > Hi, > > We submitted draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-06 prior to the IETF meeting > in March. > > Since there was no dmm session, we are requesting for feedback on the > mailing list. > > > > The authors believe that all the feedback from IETF 106 have been > incorporated into the new version: > > 1. VLAN as a means to convey MTNC-ID (Huawei) > *Action*: Added new chapter 2.2 on Front haul describes scenario and > VLAN, L2 mechanisms. > 2. Document sections to describes provisioning; second which describes > user plane handling (Huawei) > *Action*: revised figures, chapters etc to address the comment. > Provisioning and user plane handling are separate (at least sub chapte= rs) > 3. Source port range /mechanisms (Dave) =E2=80=93 already addressed in= draft. > *no action* needed. > 4. Source port checksum (Suresh) > *Action*: add text in draft to state that UDP /GTP encap is from E2E. > Checksums are not affected. > Checksum clarification added in chapter 2.7 > 5. 3GPP operator/IPSec Gateways (Altiostar): > *Action*: Revision to address how the this works in the presence of > IPSec gateways =E2=80=93 added in section 2.6 > > Would appreciate reviews and suggestions. > > > > Best Regards, > > John > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > --00000000000027735c05b1ce2c88 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks John for the detailed message and updates in the 06= version of this.

Dear All,

As = I indicated,=C2=A0https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobili= ty-07 was mostly a refresh.


We = are seeking to request WG adoption of this soom and would be happy=C2=A0to = hear any feedback before too.

--
Uma C.<= /div>

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 12:16 PM Kaippallimalil John <john.kaippallimalil@futurewei.com> wrote:

Hi,

We submitted draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-06 prio= r to the IETF meeting in March.

Since there was no dmm session, we are requesting fo= r feedback on the mailing list.

=C2=A0

The authors believe that all the feedback from IETF = 106 have been incorporated into the new version:

  1. VLAN as a means to convey MTNC-ID (Huawei)
    Action: Added new chapter 2.2 on Front haul describes scenario and V= LAN, L2 mechanisms.
  2. Document sections to describes provisioning; second which describe= s user plane handling (Huawei)
    Action: revised figures, chapters etc to address the comment. Provis= ioning and user plane handling are separate (at least sub chapters)<= u>
  3. Source port range = /mechanisms (Dave) =E2=80=93 already addressed in draft.
    no action needed.
  4. Source port checksum (Suresh)
    Action: add text in draft to state that UDP /GTP encap is from E2E. = Checksums are not affected.
    Checksum clarification added in chapter 2.7
  5. 3GPP operator/IPSec Gateways (Altiostar):
    Action: Revision to address how the this works in the presence of IP= Sec gateways =E2=80=93 added in section 2.6

Would appreciate reviews and suggestions.<= /u>

=C2=A0

Best Regards,

John

=C2=A0

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RFC 8818 Title: Distributed Mobility Anchoring Author: H. Chan, Ed., X. Wei, J. Lee, S. Jeon, CJ. Bernardos, Ed. Status: Informational Stream: IETF Date: October 2020 Mailbox: h.a.chan@ieee.org, weixinpeng@huawei.com, jonghyouk@sejong.ac.kr, seiljeon.ietf@gmail.com, cjbc@it.uc3m.es Pages: 18 Updates/Obsoletes/SeeAlso: None I-D Tag: draft-ietf-dmm-distributed-mobility-anchoring-15.txt URL: https://www.rfc-editor.org/info/rfc8818 DOI: 10.17487/RFC8818 This document defines distributed mobility anchoring in terms of the different configurations and functions to provide IP mobility support. A network may be configured with distributed mobility anchoring functions for both network-based or host-based mobility support, depending on the network's needs. In a distributed mobility anchoring environment, multiple anchors are available for mid-session switching of an IP prefix anchor. To start a new flow or to handle a flow not requiring IP session continuity as a mobile node moves to a new network, the flow can be started or restarted using an IP address configured from the new IP prefix anchored to the new network. If the flow needs to survive the change of network, there are solutions that can be used to enable IP address mobility. This document describes different anchoring approaches, depending on the IP mobility needs, and how this IP address mobility is handled by the network. This document is a product of the Distributed Mobility Management Working Group of the IETF. INFORMATIONAL: This memo provides information for the Internet community. It does not specify an Internet standard of any kind. Distribution of this memo is unlimited. This announcement is sent to the IETF-Announce and rfc-dist lists. 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Contreras" , Praveen Muley , Jeff Tantsura , Richard Li , Sridhar Bhaskaran References: <160133669315.20579.1349579162555966845@ietfa.amsl.com> <34BB0DFC-FACD-4D09-A4E1-791E41B25748@cisco.com> From: "Joel M. Halpern" Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 16:36:02 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:68.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/68.12.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 20:36:22 -0000 I would note that it seems a little odd to do this work when we do not have agreement on what the exposed properties are of an IETF Network Slice (see the TEAS discussion), much less how packets are mapped to them. Yours, Joel On 10/21/2020 4:29 PM, Majumdar, Kausik wrote: > Hi Uma et all, > > Thanks for putting together this draft to describe the framework for > mapping the slices in 5G mobile systems to transport slices in IP > towards the UPF. This framework is valuable and we are actually looking > for further extensions of the TN characteristics in non-mobility domain > (SD-WAN) and that is being worked out to be submitted in RTG WG. > > I would also request you to consider the Security Characteristics in > addition to the current Transport Path characteristics. Preserving the > security characteristics in non-mobility SD-WAN domain would be an > important aspects. My suggestions would be to extend the current SST for > secure traffic. As a result, it would be good if we can define > additional UDP Source Port range to capture the Security characteristics > for the current service types. > > I would be happy to share more context on the use cases and discuss > further on the approaches. > > Regards, > > Kausik > > *From:* dmm *On Behalf Of * Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) > *Sent:* Friday, October 16, 2020 11:50 AM > *To:* Uma Chunduri ; dmm > *Cc:* Luis M. Contreras ; > Richard Li ; Jeff Tantsura > ; Praveen Muley ; > Sridhar Bhaskaran > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for > draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > > WG – Please provide your inputs on this document. Authors have presented > this earlier and like to get some feedback. > > Sri > > *From: *dmm > on > behalf of Uma Chunduri > > *Date: *Friday, October 16, 2020 at 11:42 AM > *To: *dmm > > *Cc: *"Luis M. Contreras" >, Praveen Muley > >, Jeff > Tantsura >, > Richard Li >, > Sridhar Bhaskaran > > *Subject: *Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for > draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > > Dear DMM experts, > > This version is a refresh but all comments received (offline and during > the presentation at IETF106) were addressed. > > Any further comments/suggestions are most welcome. > > -- > > Uma C. > > On Mon, Sep 28, 2020 at 4:44 PM > wrote: > > > A new version of I-D, draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > has been successfully submitted by Uma Chunduri and posted to the > IETF repository. > > Name:           draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility > Revision:       07 > Title:          Transport Network aware Mobility for 5G > Document date:  2020-09-28 > Group:          Individual Submission > Pages:          28 > URL: https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > > Status: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility/ > > Htmlized: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility > Htmlized: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07 > > Diff: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07 > > > Abstract: >    This document specifies a framework and mapping from slices in 5G >    mobile systems to transport slices in IP and Layer 2 transport >    networks.  Slices in 5G systems are characterized by latency bounds, >    reservation guarantees, jitter, data rates, availability, mobility >    speed, usage density, criticality and priority should be mapped to >    transport slice characteristics that include bandwidth, latency and >    criteria such as isolation, directionality and disjoint routes. >    Mobile slice criteria need to be mapped to the appropriate transport >    slice and capabilities offered in backhaul, midhaul and fronthaul >    connectivity segments between radio side network functions and user >    plane function (gateway). > >    This document describes how mobile network functions map its slice >    criteria to identifiers in IP packets that transport segments use to >    grant transport layer services.  This is based on mapping between >    mobile and IP transport underlays (IPv6, MPLS, IPv4, Segment >    Routing).  Applicability of this framework and a new transport >    network underlay routing mechanism, Preferred Path Routing (PPR), >    which brings slice properties and works with any underlying > transport >    (L2, IPv4, SR and MPLS) is also discussed. > > > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org > . > > The IETF Secretariat > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > From nobody Wed Oct 21 17:51:05 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 140D73A0EC2 for ; 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Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:50:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <160133669315.20579.1349579162555966845@ietfa.amsl.com> <34BB0DFC-FACD-4D09-A4E1-791E41B25748@cisco.com> In-Reply-To: From: Uma Chunduri Date: Wed, 21 Oct 2020 17:51:00 -0700 Message-ID: To: dmm Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="00000000000084612c05b237db3a" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2020 00:51:03 -0000 --00000000000084612c05b237db3a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:36 PM Joel M. Halpern wrote: > I would note that it seems a little odd to do this work when we do not > have agreement on what the exposed properties are of an IETF Network > Slice (see the TEAS discussion), much less how packets are mapped to them. > Sure, Joel. A quick recap on this: 1. I would note. the scope is much narrower here than genericTEAS discussion * 2. We are just seeking comments here before asking WG to develop further. Would be happy to consider any inputs from you. -- Uma C. * this predates any TEAS discussions almost an year earlier and was developed over a period of time with many inputs from DMM experts > > --00000000000084612c05b237db3a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:36 PM Joel = M. Halpern <jmh@joelhalpern.com> wrote:
I = would note that it seems a little odd to do this work when we do not
have agreement on what the exposed properties are of an IETF Network
Slice (see the TEAS discussion), much less how packets are mapped to them.<= br>

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In line [Uma]: On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:20 AM Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) < pcamaril@cisco.com> wrote: > Hi Uma et al, > > > > Thank you for all the work on this document. > > > > As described in the abstract this document defines two things: > > In section 2 you describe a framework to map slices in mobile systems to > slices in the transport network; while in section 3 you describe how a new > transport network underlay routing mechanism, Preferred Path Routing, can > be used in combination with this framework. > Right. But it also lays out other TE mechanisms (SR, RSVP-TE) which are already being used in the networks and how that is applicable to the framework described. > > > PPR (draft-chunduri-lsr-isis-preferred-path-routing and > draft-chunduri-lsr-ospf-preferred-path-routing) was last presented in LSR > WG at IETF102 if I recall correctly. > > The WG highlighted issues with regards to the scalability of the proposal. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-102-lsr/ > > Further discussion took place at the LSR mailer and those scalability > concerns on PPR remain unaddressed. > > https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/6TzBBkmq4hQkiqyBeuN7MMOtMs0/ > We did give further updates and answers in IETF 103 and further published new work (ppr graphs work, the above links points to). And a hackathon related to this in IETF105. But I admit, I have not been active further in the LSR group. Shall follow through this further. But the larger point was it just merely shows various segments of Xhaul (with L1/L2 and L3 transport) how different underlying technologies can address the framework described here. > > In my opinion it would be good to either address the LSR scalability > concerns on PPR, or perhaps move all PPR content (Section 3 and related > appendix) into a separate document. > > Given that PPR is unneeded to define the framework -core of the ID-; and > both sections seem orthogonal, I believe splitting the document would be > appropriate. > Noted your preference Pablo, but as I said this was there merely to attest what's been laid out and how new mobility scenarios with transport awareness work in general. I can make it concise just to respect the earlier agreements with feedback received (regarding example etc.). Many thx, -- Uma C. > > > --000000000000d08a7a05b23820e9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Pablo for your comments. In line [= Uma]:

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 11:20 AM Pablo Camarillo (pcamaril) <pcamaril@cisco.com> wrote:
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Hi Uma et al,

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Thank you for all the work on t= his document.

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As described in the abstract th= is document defines two things:

In section 2 you describe a fra= mework to map slices in mobile systems to slices in the transport network; = while in section 3 you describe how a new transport network underlay routin= g mechanism, Preferred Path Routing, can be used in combination with this framework.


Right. But it also lays out other TE mechanism= s (SR, RSVP-TE) which are already being used in the networks and how that i= s applicable to the framework described.=C2=A0
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PPR (draft-chunduri-lsr-isis-pr= eferred-path-routing and draft-chunduri-lsr-ospf-preferred-path-routing) wa= s last presented in LSR WG at IETF102 if I recall correctly.<= /span>

The WG highlighted issues with = regards to the scalability of the proposal. https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/minutes-102-lsr/

Further discussion took place a= t the LSR mailer and those scalability concerns on PPR remain unaddressed.<= u>

https= ://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/lsr/6TzBBkmq4hQkiqyBeuN7MMOtMs0/=C2=A0


We did give further= updates and answers in IETF 103 and further published new work (ppr graphs= work, the above links points to).=C2=A0=C2=A0
And a hackathon re= lated to this=C2=A0 in IETF105. But I admit, I have not been active further= in the LSR group.
Shall follow=C2=A0through this further. But th= e larger point was it just merely shows various segments of Xhaul (with L1/= L2 and L3 transport) how different underlying technologies can address the = framework described here.

=C2=A0

In my opinion it would be good = to either address the LSR scalability concerns on PPR, or perhaps move all = PPR content (Section 3 and related appendix) into a separate document.

Given that PPR is unneeded to d= efine the framework -core of the ID-; and both sections seem orthogonal, I = believe splitting the document would be appropriate.

=

Noted your preference Pablo, but as I said= this was there merely to attest what's been laid out and how new mobil= ity scenarios with transport awareness work in general. I can make it conci= se just to respect the earlier agreements with feedback received (regarding= example etc.).

Many thx,

--
Uma C.

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Need a quick clarification (see below ..) On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:29 PM Majumdar, Kausik < Kausik.Majumdar@commscope.com> wrote: > Hi Uma et all, > > > > Thanks for putting together this draft to describe the framework for > mapping the slices in 5G mobile systems to transport slices in IP towards > the UPF. This framework is valuable and we are actually looking for further > extensions of the TN characteristics in non-mobility domain (SD-WAN) and > that is being worked out to be submitted in RTG WG. > Thanks. > > > I would also request you to consider the Security Characteristics in > addition to the current Transport Path characteristics. Preserving the > security characteristics in non-mobility SD-WAN domain would be an > important aspects. My suggestions would be to extend the current SST for > secure traffic. As a result, it would be good if we can define additional > UDP Source Port range to capture the Security characteristics for the > current service types. > We already described the generic case where security is applied (section 2.6), when the user plane emits the packet to transport (could be N3/N9 interfaces or S1U interface terminating at SGWs). That addresses mostly shared transport cases. If I understand correctly, you want security done by PE's before gNB/UPF?? I can imagine few usef of this but can you explain why you are looking for this option? > > > I would be happy to share more context on the use cases and discuss > further on the approaches. > Sure. But is this a mandatory option for your E2E use case with SD-WAN beyond mobility domain? -- Uma C. > > > Regards, > > Kausik > > > > --000000000000635fa405b2383dc9 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Kaushik for your comments. Need a quick clarif= ication (see below ..)

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:29 PM Majumdar, Kausik <= Kausik.Majumdar@commscope.= com> wrote:

Hi Uma et all,

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Thanks for putting together this draft to describe t= he framework for mapping the slices in 5G mobile systems to transport slice= s in IP towards the UPF. This framework is valuable and we are actually loo= king for further extensions of the TN characteristics in non-mobility domain (SD-WAN) and that is being worke= d out to be submitted in RTG WG.

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Thanks.
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I would also request you to consider the Security Ch= aracteristics in addition to the current Transport Path characteristics. Pr= eserving the security characteristics in non-mobility SD-WAN domain would b= e an important aspects. My suggestions would be to extend the current SST for secure traffic. As a result, it wou= ld be good if we can define additional UDP Source Port range to capture the= Security characteristics for the current service types.


We already described the generic case where s= ecurity is applied (section 2.6),=C2=A0when the user plane emits the packet= to transport (could be N3/N9 interfaces or S1U interface terminating at SG= Ws).
That addresses mostly shared transport cases.
If I= understand correctly, you want security done by PE's before gNB/UPF??= =C2=A0 I can imagine few usef of this but can you explain why you are looki= ng for this option?
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I would be happy to share more context on the use ca= ses and discuss further on the approaches.


Sure. But is this a mandatory=C2=A0option for your E2E use = case with SD-WAN=C2=A0beyond mobility domain?

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Uma C.
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Regards,

Kausik

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X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2020 00:30:11 -0000 --00000000000003632605b29c2658 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks for your review, comments in-line .. -- Uma C. On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:15 PM Majumdar, Kausik < Kausik.Majumdar@commscope.com> wrote: > Hi Uma, > > > > Few more general minor comments on the draft below: > > > > 1. Section 2.2 talks about front haul but picture, can you please > capture it in the figure 1. > > Sure, shall fix that. > 1. Section 2.4 mentions =E2=80=93 > > "The PE router inspects incoming > PDU data packets for the MTNC-ID, classifies and provides the VN > service provisioned across the transport network." > > Should PE rather inspects the UDP Src Port here which mirrors MTN-ID? > > > Right, UDP Src port. 3. Section 2.7 mentions =E2=80=93 > > a) =E2=80=9CIf a PE is not co-located at the UPF then > > mapping to the underlying TE paths at PE happens based on > the > > encapsulated *GTP-US* packet as specified in Section 2.6.= =E2=80=9D > > > > Should it be GTP-U packet? > > > That's a typo. Shall correct it. > b) "o If any other form of encapsulation (other than GTP-U) either on N= 3 > or N9 corresponding QFI information MUST be there in the > encapsulation header." > > > > Not very clear on this. Does it need to be there? > Good catch. This was from the earlier versions and shall change this to be aligned with the rest of the content. Yes, obviously it should not use QFI anywhere.. > > > c) "If TNF is seen as part of management > plane, this real time flexibility is lost." > > > > The above statement contradicts the figure 1. We should > change that to a separate management function. > Thx. Shall fix this too (left out from earlier versions without getting updated). > > Regards, > > Kausik > > > > *From:* Majumdar, Kausik > *Sent:* Monday, October 26, 2020 12:49 PM > *To:* Uma Chunduri ; dmm > *Subject:* RE: [DMM] New Version Notification for > draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > > > > Hi Uma, > > > > My comments are inline below. > > > > *From:* dmm *On Behalf Of *Uma Chunduri > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2020 6:18 PM > *To:* dmm > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for > draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > > > > > > Thanks Kaushik for your comments. Need a quick clarification (see below .= .) > > > > On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:29 PM Majumdar, Kausik < > Kausik.Majumdar@commscope.com> wrote: > > Hi Uma et all, > > > > Thanks for putting together this draft to describe the framework for > mapping the slices in 5G mobile systems to transport slices in IP towards > the UPF. This framework is valuable and we are actually looking for furth= er > extensions of the TN characteristics in non-mobility domain (SD-WAN) and > that is being worked out to be submitted in RTG WG. > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > I would also request you to consider the Security Characteristics in > addition to the current Transport Path characteristics. Preserving the > security characteristics in non-mobility SD-WAN domain would be an > important aspects. My suggestions would be to extend the current SST for > secure traffic. As a result, it would be good if we can define additional > UDP Source Port range to capture the Security characteristics for the > current service types. > > > > We already described the generic case where security is applied (section > 2.6), when the user plane emits the packet to transport (could be N3/N9 > interfaces or S1U interface terminating at SGWs). > > That addresses mostly shared transport cases. > > If I understand correctly, you want security done by PE's before > gNB/UPF?? I can imagine few usef of this but can you explain why you are > looking for this option? > > > > Yes, I am looking for UE traffic to be secured by the PE=E2=80=99s before= gNB/UPF. > There could be specific traffic types for MIOT, EMBB, and URLLC service > types where security is more important. Even this draft is addressing dat= a > path security for these service types the security characteristics needs = to > be preserved all the to the traffic destination, it can=E2=80=99t stop at= SGWs or > UPF. Then, the purpose for UE traffic to achieve end to end security is > lost. Specially if we look into SD-WAN deployments the security is the ke= y > aspects and the SD-WAN Edge Nodes establish secure IPSec tunnels between > them. Here > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-08 nicely > captures SD-WAN use cases for Homogeneous and Hybrid networks. Considerin= g > that, if the UE traffic needs to go beyond SGWs/UPF to the actual > destination in the Data Network connected through SD-WAN Edge Nodes > (Enterprise 5G case) the security characteristics for all the SSTs need t= o > be preserved to maintain the E2E security. > > > > I think it would be good to expand the UDP Src Port range table captured > in Figure 2. For all of the current SST types we could come up with > different Range where E2E security is the key requirement for the UE > traffic like below: > > > > UDP Src Port Range Ax =E2=80=93 Ay : SST - MIOT with Security > > .. > > > > > > In general, if we look into the SD-WAN use cases the security is the key > aspects how SD-WAN edge nodes establishes and send secure traffic between > them to connect different sites branches, branch to the cloud GW. > > > > > > I would be happy to share more context on the use cases and discuss > further on the approaches. > > > > Sure. But is this a mandatory option for your E2E use case with > SD-WAN beyond mobility domain? > > > > I would say it is a mandatory option for E2E use cases with SD-WAN beyond > mobility domain. If you look into the retail stores, education, etc (smal= l > to medium enterprise deployments), majority of the connections land into > cloud with a secure tunnel connectivity to the cloud GW. These enterprise > SD-WAN edge devices accept connections not only from wireless APs, but al= so > for the mobility traffic through SWGs/UPF. In the case of UE mobility > traffic needs to land into large enterprise with a security aspects, the > SD-WAN GW in the corporate network need to preserve that behavior for E2E > security. > > > > Hope it clarifies. How the SD-WAN GW map the TN characteristics in > non-mobility domain to maintain UE=E2=80=99s E2E traffic characteristics = is being > worked out, and would be submitted. > > > > Regards, > > Kausik > > > > -- > > Uma C. > > > > > > Regards, > > Kausik > > > > --00000000000003632605b29c2658 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for your review, comments in-line = ..

--
Uma C.
On M= on, Oct 26, 2020 at 1:15 PM Majumdar, Kausik <Kausik.Majumdar@commscope.com> wrote:

Hi Uma,

=C2=A0

Few more general minor comments on the draft below:<= u>

=C2=A0

  1. Section 2.2 talks about front haul but picture, can you please cap= ture it in the figure 1.
Sure, shall= fix that.

  1. Section 2.4 mentions =E2=80=93

=C2=A0 =C2=A0"= ;The PE router inspects incoming
=C2=A0 =C2=A0PDU data packets for the MTNC-ID, classifies and provides the = VN
=C2=A0 =C2=A0service provisioned across the transport network."

Should PE rather i= nspects the UDP Src Port here which mirrors MTN-ID?

=C2=A0

<= /div>
Right, UDP Src port.=C2=A0

3.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Section 2.7 mentions =E2=80=93=

a) =E2=80=9CIf a PE is not co-loca=
ted at the UPF then

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0mapping to the= underlying TE paths at PE happens based on the

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0encapsulated <= b>GTP-US packet as specified in Section 2.6.=E2=80=9D

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Should it be GTP-U p= acket?

=C2=A0

=
That's a typo. Shall correct it.

b) =C2=A0"o =C2=A0If any other form of encapsulation (other= than GTP-U) either on N3
=C2=A0 =C2=A0or N9 corresponding QFI information MUST be there in the
=C2=A0 =C2=A0encapsulation header."

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0Not very clear on this. Does it need= to be there?

Good catch. This was from th= e earlier versions and shall change this to be aligned with the rest of the= content. Yes, obviously it should not use QFI anywhere..

=

=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0

c) "If TNF is seen as part of management
plane, this real time flexibility is lost."

=C2=A0

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0The above statement contradicts the figure 1. We should change that t= o a separate management function.

Thx. Sha= ll fix this too (left out from earlier versions without getting updated).

=C2=A0

Regards,

Kausik

=C2=A0

From: Majumdar, Kausik
Sent: Monday, October 26, 2020 12:49 PM
To: Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com>; dmm <dmm@ietf.org>
Subject: RE: [DMM] New Version Notification for draft-clt-dmm-tn-awa= re-mobility-07.txt

=C2=A0

Hi Uma,=

=C2=A0<= u>

My comments ar= e inline below.

=C2=A0

From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Uma Chunduri
Sent: Wednesday, October 21, 2020 6:18 PM
To: dmm <dmm@ie= tf.org>
Subject: Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for draft-clt-dmm-tn-awa= re-mobility-07.txt

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Thanks Kaushik for your comments. Need a quick clari= fication (see below ..)

=C2=A0

On Wed, Oct 21, 2020 at 1:29 PM Majumdar, Kausik <= ;Kausik.= Majumdar@commscope.com> wrote:

Hi Uma et all,

=C2=A0

Thanks for putting together this draft to describe t= he framework for mapping the slices in 5G mobile systems to transport slice= s in IP towards the UPF. This framework is valuable and we are actually looking for further extensions of the TN characteristi= cs in non-mobility domain (SD-WAN) and that is being worked out to be submi= tted in RTG WG.

=C2=A0

Thanks.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I would also request you to consider the Security Ch= aracteristics in addition to the current Transport Path characteristics. Pr= eserving the security characteristics in non-mobility SD-WAN domain would be an important aspects. My suggestions would be to ex= tend the current SST for secure traffic. As a result, it would be good if w= e can define additional UDP Source Port range to capture the Security chara= cteristics for the current service types.

=C2=A0

We already described the generic case where security= is applied (section 2.6),=C2=A0when the user plane emits the packet to tra= nsport (could be N3/N9 interfaces or S1U interface terminating at SGWs).=

That addresses mostly shared transport cases.=

If I understand correctly, you want security done by= PE's before gNB/UPF??=C2=A0 I can imagine few usef of this but can you= explain why you are looking for this option?

=C2=A0

Yes, I am look= ing for UE traffic to be secured by the PE=E2=80=99s before gNB/UPF. There = could be specific traffic types for MIOT, EMBB, and URLLC service types whe= re security is more important. Even this draft is addressing data path security for these service types the security characteristics ne= eds to be preserved all the to the traffic destination, it can=E2=80=99t st= op at SGWs or UPF. Then, the purpose for UE traffic to achieve end to end s= ecurity is lost. Specially if we look into SD-WAN deployments the security is the key aspects and the SD-WAN Edge Nod= es establish secure IPSec tunnels between them. Here https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-08 nicely captures = SD-WAN use cases for Homogeneous and Hybrid networks. Considering that, if the UE traffic needs to go beyond SGWs/UPF to the actual destinat= ion in the Data Network connected through SD-WAN Edge Nodes (Enterprise 5G = case) the security characteristics for all the SSTs need to be preserved to= maintain the E2E security.

=C2=A0<= u>

I think it wou= ld be good to expand the UDP Src Port range table captured in Figure 2. For= all of the current SST types we could come up with different Range where E= 2E security is the key requirement for the UE traffic like below:

=C2=A0<= u>

UDP Src Port R= ange Ax =E2=80=93 Ay : SST - MIOT with Security

..

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

In general, if we look into the SD-WAN use cases the= security is the key aspects how SD-WAN edge nodes establishes and send sec= ure traffic between them to connect different sites branches, branch to the= cloud GW.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

I would be happy to share more context on the use ca= ses and discuss further on the approaches.

=C2=A0

Sure. But is this a mandatory=C2=A0option for your E= 2E use case with SD-WAN=C2=A0beyond mobility domain?

=C2=A0

I would say it= is a mandatory option for E2E use cases with SD-WAN beyond mobility domain= . If you look into the retail stores, education, etc (small to medium enter= prise deployments), majority of the connections land into cloud with a secure tunnel connectivity to the cloud GW. These e= nterprise SD-WAN edge devices accept connections not only from wireless APs= , but also for the mobility traffic through SWGs/UPF. In the case of UE mob= ility traffic needs to land into large enterprise with a security aspects, the SD-WAN GW in the corporate n= etwork need to preserve that behavior for E2E security.

=C2=A0<= u>

Hope it clarif= ies. How the SD-WAN GW map the TN characteristics in non-mobility domain to= maintain UE=E2=80=99s E2E traffic characteristics is being worked out, and= would be submitted.

=C2=A0<= u>

Regards,

Kausik<= u>

=C2=A0

--

Uma C.

=C2=A0

=C2=A0

Regards,

Kausik

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:48 PM Majumdar, Kausik < Kausik.Majumdar@commscope.com> wrote: > Hi Uma, > > > > My comments are inline below. > > > > *From:* dmm *On Behalf Of * Uma Chunduri > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 21, 2020 6:18 PM > *To:* dmm > *Subject:* Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for > draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility-07.txt > > > > > > We already described the generic case where security is applied (section > 2.6), when the user plane emits the packet to transport (could be N3/N9 > interfaces or S1U interface terminating at SGWs). > That addresses mostly shared transport cases. > If I understand correctly, you want security done by PE's before gNB/UPF?? > I can imagine few usef of this but can you explain why you are looking fo= r > this option? > > Yes, I am looking for UE traffic to be secured by the PE=E2=80=99s before g= NB/UPF. > There could be specific traffic types for MIOT, EMBB, and URLLC service > types where security is more important. Even this draft is addressing dat= a > path security for these service types the security characteristics needs = to > be preserved all the to the traffic destination, it can=E2=80=99t stop at= SGWs or > UPF. Then, the purpose for UE traffic to achieve end to end security is > lost. > Ack. The case currently being handled is only for shared transport perspective and security for all the traffic and not per particular set of traffic. > Specially if we look into SD-WAN deployments the security is the key > aspects and the SD-WAN Edge Nodes establish secure IPSec tunnels between > them. Here > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-08 nicely > captures SD-WAN use cases for Homogeneous and Hybrid networks. Considerin= g > that, if the UE traffic needs to go beyond SGWs/UPF to the actual > destination in the Data Network connected through SD-WAN Edge Nodes > (Enterprise 5G case) the security characteristics for all the SSTs need t= o > be preserved to maintain the E2E security. > > I see while this can be done from UE side E2E, you are seeking a network solution with SST granularity, not only beyond UPF in the DN but also in the mobility domain. I think it would be good to expand the UDP Src Port range table captured in > Figure 2. For all of the current SST types we could come up with differen= t > Range where E2E security is the key requirement for the UE traffic like > below: > > UDP Src Port Range Ax =E2=80=93 Ay : SST - MIOT with Security > .. > > So you may need this for all SSTs then. Sure, we can enhance this part (after consulting with other co-authors). > > Sure. But is this a mandatory option for your E2E use case with > SD-WAN beyond mobility domain? > > I would say it is a mandatory option for E2E use cases with SD-WAN beyond > mobility domain. If you look into the retail stores, education, etc (smal= l > to medium enterprise deployments), majority of the connections land into > cloud with a secure tunnel connectivity to the cloud GW. These enterprise > SD-WAN edge devices accept connections not only from wireless APs, but al= so > for the mobility traffic through SWGs/UPF. In the case of UE mobility > traffic needs to land into large enterprise with a security aspects, the > SD-WAN GW in the corporate network need to preserve that behavior for E2E > security. > > Hope it clarifies. > Yes, it does. Thank you! How the SD-WAN GW map the TN characteristics in non-mobility domain to > maintain UE=E2=80=99s E2E traffic characteristics is being worked out, an= d would be > submitted. > I have a few more questions and shall talk offline. > Regards, > Kausik > > --000000000000b469cc05b29c586d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kausik,

Many thanks for y= our clarification below.

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 12:48 PM Majumdar, Ka= usik <Kausik.Majumdar@c= ommscope.com> wrote:

Hi Uma,=

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My comments ar= e inline below.

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Subject: Re: [DMM] New Version Notification for draft-clt-dmm-tn-awa= re-mobility-07.txt

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We already descr= ibed the generic case where security is applied (section 2.6),=C2=A0when th= e user plane emits the packet to transport (could be N3/N9 interfaces or S1= U interface terminating at SGWs).

That addresses mostly shared= transport cases.

If I understand correctly, you want security done= by PE's before gNB/UPF??=C2=A0 I can imagine few usef of this but can = you explain why you are looking for this option?

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Yes, I am looking for UE traffic to be sec= ured by the PE=E2=80=99s before gNB/UPF. There could be specific traffic ty= pes for MIOT, EMBB, and URLLC service types where security is more importan= t. Even this draft is addressing data path security for these service types the security characteristics ne= eds to be preserved all the to the traffic destination, it can=E2=80=99t st= op at SGWs or UPF. Then, the purpose for UE traffic to achieve end to end s= ecurity is lost.

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Ack. The case currently being handled is only for = shared transport perspective and security for all the traffic and not per p= articular set of traffic.=C2=A0
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Specially if we look into SD-WAN deployments the security is the key aspects and the SD-WAN Edge Nod= es establish secure IPSec tunnels between them. Here https://tools.iet= f.org/html/draft-dunbar-bess-bgp-sdwan-usage-08 nicely captures = SD-WAN use cases for Homogeneous and Hybrid networks. Considering that, if the UE traffic needs to go beyond SGWs/UPF to the actual destinat= ion in the Data Network connected through SD-WAN Edge Nodes (Enterprise 5G = case) the security characteristics for all the SSTs need to be preserved to= maintain the E2E security.

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I see while this can be done from UE side E2E, you are seeking a network= solution with SST granularity, not only beyond UPF in the DN but also in t= he mobility domain.

I think it would be good to expand the UDP Src Port range t= able captured in Figure 2. For all of the current SST types we could come u= p with different Range where E2E security is the key requirement for the UE traffic like below:

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So you may need this for all SSTs then. Sure, we can enhance this pa= rt (after consulting with other co-authors).
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Sure. B= ut is this a mandatory=C2=A0option for your E2E use case with SD-WAN=C2=A0b= eyond mobility domain?

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I would say i= t is a mandatory option for E2E use cases with SD-WAN beyond mobility domai= n. If you look into the retail stores, education, etc (small to medium ente= rprise deployments), majority of the connections land into cloud with a secure tunnel connectivity to the cloud GW. These e= nterprise SD-WAN edge devices accept connections not only from wireless APs= , but also for the mobility traffic through SWGs/UPF. In the case of UE mob= ility traffic needs to land into large enterprise with a security aspects, the SD-WAN GW in the corporate n= etwork need to preserve that behavior for E2E security.

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Yes, it does. Thank you!

<= span style=3D"color:rgb(112,48,160)"> How the SD-WAN GW map the TN characteristics in non-mobi= lity domain to maintain UE=E2=80=99s E2E traffic characteristics is being w= orked out, and would be submitted.

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The changes are mostly to address the recent comments received in the list. -- Uma C. On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: > Folks - We have the meeting scheduled for Nov 17th. Please send any topic= s > that you want to present. > > Sri > > > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn 10/23/20, 2:16 PM, ""IETF Secretariat"" wro= te: > > Dear Sri Gundavelli, > > The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. > Below is the scheduled session information followed by > the original request. > > > dmm Session 1 (1:00 requested) > Tuesday, 17 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530 > Room Name: Room 3 size: 503 > --------------------------------------------- > > > iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/dmm.ics > > Request Information: > > > --------------------------------------------------------- > Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management > Area Name: Internet Area > Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli > > > Number of Sessions: 1 > Length of Session(s): 1 Hour > Number of Attendees: 35 > Conflicts to Avoid: > > > > > > > > > People who must be present: > Sri Gundavelli > Erik Kline > Dapeng Liu > Satoru Matsushima > > Resources Requested: > > Special Requests: > > --------------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > --000000000000efc68305b2e8bd30 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear Sri,

We would like to ask a 10 min= s slot to update the WG for the to be published=C2=A0draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility=C2=A0(08 version - would be done on 11/02). The changes are mostly=C2= =A0 to address the=C2=A0 recent comments received in the list.
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Uma C.

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On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM Sri G= undavelli (sgundave) <sgundave=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Folks - We have the meeting scheduled for = Nov 17th. Please send any topics that you want to present.

Sri





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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dear Sri Gundavelli,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Below is the scheduled session information followed by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the original request.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 dmm Session 1 (1:00 requested)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tuesday, 17 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Room Name: Room 3 size: 503
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 iCalendar: https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/dmm.ics

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Request Information:


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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Area Name: Internet Area
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Number of Sessions: 1
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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sri Gundavelli
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik Kline
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dapeng Liu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Satoru Matsushima

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