From nobody Mon Nov 2 07:31:17 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietf.org Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75FCA3A11A9; Mon, 2 Nov 2020 07:31:01 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dmm@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 7.21.0 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dmm@ietf.org Message-ID: <160433106143.22453.6946944736159758901@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 07:31:01 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 15:31:07 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF. Title : User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis on 3GPP 5G System Authors : Shunsuke Homma Takuya Miyasaka Satoru Matsushima Daniel Voyer Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2020-11-02 Abstract: This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents. The analysis work is to clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectural requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane protocols on IETF side. This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol Study work on 3GPP side. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Tue Nov 3 13:29:50 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3769F3A11FE; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 13:29:49 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ab5SpW1JKiY5; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 13:29:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from roura.ac.upc.es (roura.ac.upc.es [147.83.33.10]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68E33A11FA; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 13:29:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from correu-1.ac.upc.es (correu-1.ac.upc.es [147.83.30.91]) by roura.ac.upc.es (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0A3LThex026514; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 22:29:43 +0100 Received: from [192.168.68.110] (169.red-79-157-225.dynamicip.rima-tde.net [79.157.225.169]) by correu-1.ac.upc.es (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A14E583; Tue, 3 Nov 2020 22:29:38 +0100 (CET) From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Pailliss=c3=a9?= To: lisp@ietf.org, dmm@ietf.org, rtgwg@ietf.org, nvo3@ietf.org Cc: Albert Cabellos-Aparicio , =?UTF-8?Q?Albert_L=c3=b3pez?= Message-ID: <8f560a08-809e-9a41-9815-4d9e6256e4d3@ac.upc.edu> Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2020 22:29:37 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Language: en-US Archived-At: Subject: [DMM] Operational experience on LISP+VXLAN deployments in enterprise networks X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 21:29:49 -0000 Hi, We recently published an article describing a Software-Defined solution for enterprise networks (based on LISP and VxLAN) on which we include collected data from several real-world deployments. The design is based on SDN principles, uses LISP as a control plane, and a VxLAN overlay as a data plane. The paper highlight is the reduction in data plane state and mobility signaling thanks to LISP's on-demand nature. Given that we believe this is the first academic paper that presents operational experience on such LISP+VxLAN enterprise deployment, we thought some of the WGs on CC might find it interesting. The paper can be found at: https://arxiv.org/abs/2010.15236 Thanks, Jordi From nobody Mon Nov 9 04:23:43 2020 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dmm@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 141483A102C for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 04:23:41 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.096 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.096 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ayiICPdH7Pl9 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 04:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pg1-x52c.google.com (mail-pg1-x52c.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::52c]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 862823A1033 for ; Mon, 9 Nov 2020 04:23:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pg1-x52c.google.com with SMTP id r186so7038119pgr.0 for ; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 04:23:39 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to :date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=QR9UHlroxpIdgD0kWJuqr7R/2VzmyyNrcrWmJ7AyS20=; b=RzFichnEP1CYAKHQ5mJhEp6Qce8eGEYdBSezsjJmpI9fQpMJhG86fSMdNAM12UJTcM QfmmTClKmpQz2rQ9d59dXfG8vGCM4nFJsibX7XqtS5roY0TIdZkP2vCbEyMmyHzzTSWu ziqCrZtF0WzDt350dNgs5MzotZPtL7GcDyiniLmHdBK/68uqIaI0IQip+BTgzrLu2Pm5 8zmgc0nW7Dj812PW2PsDt2um9bKQXsQ4FZ4FtmSHG6FC39V8otFEDDLqJM/ImUq9d+QH BUYo5uBKmceHS9bdOo/jY/mFPU3P3JDWUuFMP1O5uoZmb4o1g0PvczygyshfctzBWPTN K+Gw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject :from:in-reply-to:date:cc:message-id:references:to; bh=QR9UHlroxpIdgD0kWJuqr7R/2VzmyyNrcrWmJ7AyS20=; b=arYqmLD9c8uVFQKwpBdFceeMRnwBMboDjht9f3xnf50ZUiYlP9KG/jg2xs2dnxa/N6 MJc/CK8W6kCs46uami/DentPljG/DI8qW/TmWDbG+AhsCwcXXj4+1duipTbzEfTh32Dg kOCGN09WMM5OzU1tCUMYnp9s8PiC65ygFjUIziu92ni5ZwdANC2PFCAkE1P9KqpXKwQy TXt3k68c90loo903EnRpuk3JA+3gMIRiOyO0wktgghZyS7ujrlwsjDxGzNHPfdl1iUip ZDE4UgFIc01BfIaLA90cj9R+a+Lg2owOASj+ePdCHBfBToYWH/0CJFWwD6hgGOqIHbE/ CI1w== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532GDPpq6oZbBrPpafbeyckvs+VyvamieY7YRUEVtUVEUcXN/L+H 4r10XEc/d0i/qgM+gE8ZD25wyT+QeP2XqQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJx+z5oJVhVI0Hq1NkDpGiI/WZlTX8Ql+CwntBUDnTcV6kW4/NI90BwMPM7J4y54aODxU9QW6Q== X-Received: by 2002:a62:f909:0:b029:18b:588d:979e with SMTP id o9-20020a62f9090000b029018b588d979emr13833694pfh.48.1604924618837; Mon, 09 Nov 2020 04:23:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from ?IPv6:2400:2411:8900:0:d049:7268:7633:43b2? ([2400:2411:8900:0:d049:7268:7633:43b2]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id e23sm12298931pja.25.2020.11.09.04.23.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Nov 2020 04:23:38 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-A19B8A4B-00D3-4161-82CD-7DF65306A862 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) From: Satoru Matsushima In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2020 21:23:35 +0900 Cc: "Sri Gundavelli (sgundave)" , dmm Message-Id: References: To: Uma Chunduri X-Mailer: iPad Mail (18A8395) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [DMM] FW: dmm - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 109 X-BeenThere: dmm@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Distributed Mobility Management Working Group List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2020 12:23:41 -0000 --Apple-Mail-A19B8A4B-00D3-4161-82CD-7DF65306A862 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Uma,=20 All, please let us know the title, presenter and time you need for your slot= We=E2=80=99ll upload the agenda soon. Cheers, --satoru > On Oct 31, 2020, at 4:53, Uma Chunduri wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Dear Sri, >=20 > We would like to ask a 10 mins slot to update the WG for the to be publish= ed draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility (08 version - would be done on 11/02). Th= e changes are mostly to address the recent comments received in the list. >=20 > -- > Uma C. >=20 >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) wrote: >> Folks - We have the meeting scheduled for Nov 17th. Please send any topic= s that you want to present. >>=20 >> Sri >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFOn 10/23/20, 2:16 PM, ""IETF Secretariat"" wro= te: >>=20 >> Dear Sri Gundavelli, >>=20 >> The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. >> Below is the scheduled session information followed by >> the original request.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> dmm Session 1 (1:00 requested) >> Tuesday, 17 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530 >> Room Name: Room 3 size: 503 >> --------------------------------------------- >>=20 >>=20 >> iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/dmm.ics >>=20 >> Request Information: >>=20 >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management >> Area Name: Internet Area >> Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli >>=20 >>=20 >> Number of Sessions: 1 >> Length of Session(s): 1 Hour >> Number of Attendees: 35 >> Conflicts to Avoid:=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> People who must be present: >> Sri Gundavelli >> Erik Kline >> Dapeng Liu >> Satoru Matsushima >>=20 >> Resources Requested: >>=20 >> Special Requests: >>=20 >> --------------------------------------------------------- >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm --Apple-Mail-A19B8A4B-00D3-4161-82CD-7DF65306A862 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Uma, 

All, p= lease let us know the title, presenter and time you need for your slot We=E2= =80=99ll upload the agenda soon.

Cheers,
--satoru=

On Oct 31, 2020, at 4:5= 3, Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
Dear S= ri,

We would like to ask a 10 mins slot to update the WG f= or the to be published draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility (08 version - wo= uld be done on 11/02). The changes are mostly  to address the  rec= ent comments received in the list.

--
Uma= C.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgunda= ve=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.or= g> wrote:
Fo= lks - We have the meeting scheduled for Nov 17th. Please send any topics tha= t you want to present.

Sri





=EF=BB=BFOn 10/23/20, 2:16 PM, ""IETF Secretariat"" <agenda@ietf.org> wrote:

    Dear Sri Gundavelli,

    The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled.     Below is the scheduled session information followed by
    the original request.


        dmm Session 1 (1:00 requested)
        Tuesday, 17 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530<= br>         Room Name: Room 3 size: 503
        ---------------------------------------------

    iCalendar: https://datatracker.= ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/dmm.ics

    Request Information:


    ---------------------------------------------------------
    Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management
    Area Name: Internet Area
    Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli


    Number of Sessions: 1
    Length of Session(s):  1 Hour
    Number of Attendees: 35
    Conflicts to Avoid:








    People who must be present:
      Sri Gundavelli
      Erik Kline
      Dapeng Liu
      Satoru Matsushima

    Resources Requested:

    Special Requests:

    ---------------------------------------------------------



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Miya On Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 9:23 PM Satoru Matsushima < satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Uma, > > All, please let us know the title, presenter and time you need for your > slot We=E2=80=99ll upload the agenda soon. > > Cheers, > --satoru > > On Oct 31, 2020, at 4:53, Uma Chunduri wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > Dear Sri, > > We would like to ask a 10 mins slot to update the WG for the to be > published draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobility (08 version - would be done on > 11/02). The changes are mostly to address the recent comments received = in > the list. > > -- > Uma C. > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) 40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote: > >> Folks - We have the meeting scheduled for Nov 17th. Please send any >> topics that you want to present. >> >> Sri >> >> >> >> >> >> =EF=BB=BFOn 10/23/20, 2:16 PM, ""IETF Secretariat"" wr= ote: >> >> Dear Sri Gundavelli, >> >> The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. >> Below is the scheduled session information followed by >> the original request. >> >> >> dmm Session 1 (1:00 requested) >> Tuesday, 17 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530 >> Room Name: Room 3 size: 503 >> --------------------------------------------- >> >> >> iCalendar: https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/dmm.ics >> >> Request Information: >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management >> Area Name: Internet Area >> Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli >> >> >> Number of Sessions: 1 >> Length of Session(s): 1 Hour >> Number of Attendees: 35 >> Conflicts to Avoid: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> People who must be present: >> Sri Gundavelli >> Erik Kline >> Dapeng Liu >> Satoru Matsushima >> >> Resources Requested: >> >> Special Requests: >> >> --------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> dmm mailing list >> dmm@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm >> > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > --0000000000007aadac05b3af0955 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Sri, Satoru,

We would like to ask a = slot for an update:

Title:=C2=A0Architecture Discu= ssion on SRv6 Mobile User plane
Duration: 10min
Present= er:=C2=A0 Miya Kohno

Thanks!
Miya
<= /div>
O= n Mon, Nov 9, 2020 at 9:23 PM Satoru Matsushima <satoru.matsushima@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks= Uma,=C2=A0

All, please let us know the title, presenter= and time you need for your slot We=E2=80=99ll upload the agenda soon.
<= br>Cheers,
--satoru

On Oct 31, 2020, at 4:53, Uma Chunduri <umac.ietf@gmail.com> wrote= :

=EF= =BB=BF
Dear Sri,

We would like to ask a = 10 mins slot to update the WG for the to be published=C2=A0draft-clt-dmm-tn-aware-mobi= lity=C2=A0(08 version - would be done on 11/02). The changes are mos= tly=C2=A0 to address the=C2=A0 recent comments received in the list.
<= div>
--
Uma C.

On Mon, Oct 26, 2020 at 3:49 PM= Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org> wrote:
Folks - We have th= e meeting scheduled for Nov 17th. Please send any topics that you want to p= resent.

Sri





=EF=BB=BFOn 10/23/20, 2:16 PM, ""IETF Secretariat"" <= ;agenda@ietf.org&g= t; wrote:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dear Sri Gundavelli,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Below is the scheduled session information followed by
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 the original request.


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 dmm Session 1 (1:00 requested)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Tuesday, 17 November 2020, Session II 1430-1530=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Room Name: Room 3 size: 503
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ---------------------------------------------

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 iCalendar: https://datatracke= r.ietf.org/meeting/109/sessions/dmm.ics

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Request Information:


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ---------------------------------------------------------
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Working Group Name: Distributed Mobility Management
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Area Name: Internet Area
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Session Requester: Sri Gundavelli


=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Number of Sessions: 1
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Length of Session(s):=C2=A0 1 Hour
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Number of Attendees: 35
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Conflicts to Avoid:








=C2=A0 =C2=A0 People who must be present:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Sri Gundavelli
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Erik Kline
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Dapeng Liu
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Satoru Matsushima

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Resources Requested:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Special Requests:

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cheers,
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2020/11/14 0:00=E3=80=81Sri Gundavelli (sgundave) <sgundave=3D40cisco.com@dmarc.ietf.org>=E3=81=AE=E3=83=A1= =E3=83=BC=E3=83=AB:

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Sun, 15 Nov 2020 19:33:28 +0000 From: "Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo)" To: "dmm@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt Thread-Index: AQHWsS1m178JkCSQs0aZbt5f0wEynanJpM4g Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2020 19:33:28 +0000 Message-ID: References: <160433106143.22453.6946944736159758901@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <160433106143.22453.6946944736159758901@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: ietf.org; dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;ietf.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=nokia-bell-labs.com; x-originating-ip: [91.154.146.213] x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-office365-filtering-ht: Tenant x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 883f17ff-3292-4602-b400-08d8899d53d5 x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: HE1PR0701MB2874: x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:9508; x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 4wfBC5zXnzl3n86xPFxK+nPQ9EfrQpeJs3k7Oc9xdxe7Fw/x2Fnlo/O0sRBLhXFDy78yZsAXdmGGnPrAyrw6WccTtaDCa86oSDwjMq5smN2w49FvEqI6R3y+pBsVkW+vkPOdrs6dUw8y6i7lwKRnCI1OCZw6TV9gGTitXwR/04oO/jGfKIbIhDbGFs7M/YLmMn8r/uGdI0CYs21RvQlhUnbRA9zdWh3p2yDBOjJqsFai6yfIHRkOkZS9aoSZpuNw+S2HF80MeZ3n8K+RGGHWWZyZLqrNRcH9v2Y7Uhj8GvG5ifikU8j48SJSVJrH3V5TVeyxk8MjIbp/PZrQ1pDXAB3TGuI67JsBqGSYWSrcMF51xuUNKzJ1lFq7ZXRAqfJD6PjFQK6wg+/TKL38I8MKng== x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; 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The study listed a number of issues why Srv6 is not considered suitable for= the user plane. Please review 3GPP TR 29.892 and take that into account in= the analysis. I also would like to note that the Rel 16 is completed and 3GPP is working = on Rel 17. Therefore the sentences like " The study description mentions that the stud= y would be based on Release 16 requirement while only Release 15 specifications has been available now. However we believe that to provide adequate information for 3GPP, we need to clearly understand what the current user plane protocol is in Release 15, and architectural requirements for the user plane." is very weird considering that you are addressing c= ompleted Release. I cannot understand why and what is the benefit of such. Best regards Hannu -----Original Message----- From: dmm On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 5:31 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the = IETF. Title : User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis on= 3GPP 5G System Authors : Shunsuke Homma Takuya Miyasaka Satoru Matsushima Daniel Voyer Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2020-11-02 Abstract: This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents. The analysis work is to clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectural requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane protocols on IETF side. This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol Study work on 3GPP side. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Please review 3GPP TR 29.892 and take that into account = in the analysis. That is an interesting reading of TR 29.892. " 8.3 SRv6 user plane protocol (without GTP-U)=20 ... The solution supports all the 3GPP architectural requirements for user plan= e specified in Rel-16=20 ... CT4 could not reach consensus on the final assessment and conclusion for th= e SRv6 user plane protocol (without GTP-U) solution. A technical vote took = place during CT4#93 (26-30 August 2019) with the following question and res= ults: Question: Do you want to standardize SRv6 user plane protocol (w/o GTP-U) a= s described in clause 6.2.2 of TR 29.892? ... It was therefore concluded to not standardize the SRv6 user plane protocol = (without GTP-U) solution within the scope of this study (i.e. based on stag= e 2 requirements specified in Rel-16)." Note that the fact that 3GPP voting decided not to standardize SRv6 as a re= placement to GTP-U for the N9 interface in Release 16 does not imply that 3= GPP cannot standardize it in a later Release. Also I don't recall any "number of issues why Srv6 is not considered suitab= le for the user plane" in TR29.892. Thank you, Pablo. -----Original Message----- From: dmm On Behalf Of Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Esp= oo) Sent: domingo, 15 de noviembre de 2020 20:33 To: dmm@ietf.org Subject: Re: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt Hello authors of the draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt draft, As I have said earlier 3GPP CT4 as concluded the user plane study that the = draft is indirectly referring through the liaison statements in the intro s= ection. The study listed a number of issues why Srv6 is not considered suitable for= the user plane. Please review 3GPP TR 29.892 and take that into account in= the analysis. I also would like to note that the Rel 16 is completed and 3GPP is working = on Rel 17. Therefore the sentences like " The study description mentions that the stud= y would be based on Release 16 requirement while only Release 15 specifications has been available now. However we believe that to provide adequate information for 3GPP, we need to clearly understand what the current user plane protocol is in Release 15, and architectural requirements for the user plane." is very weird considering that you are addressing c= ompleted Release. I cannot understand why and what is the benefit of such. Best regards Hannu -----Original Message----- From: dmm On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 5:31 PM To: i-d-announce@ietf.org Cc: dmm@ietf.org Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies. This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the = IETF. Title : User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis on= 3GPP 5G System Authors : Shunsuke Homma Takuya Miyasaka Satoru Matsushima Daniel Voyer Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt Pages : 42 Date : 2020-11-02 Abstract: This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents. The analysis work is to clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectural requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane protocols on IETF side. This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol Study work on 3GPP side. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submissio= n until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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Unfortunately, we did not have enough time to restructure the whole of document at this update. We=E2=80=99ll modify introduction, conclusion and = any other sections at next updating with referring the result of 3GPP. Meanwhile, we=E2=80=99d like to make this document be valuable for future I= ETF work relevant to 3GPP, and need feedback and opinion how to forward this work from WG. Best regards, Shunsuke behalf of authors 2020=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8816=E6=97=A5(=E6=9C=88) 4:33 Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - = FI/Espoo) < hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com>: > Hello authors of the draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt draft, > > As I have said earlier 3GPP CT4 as concluded the user plane study that th= e > draft is indirectly referring through the liaison statements in the intro > section. > The study listed a number of issues why Srv6 is not considered suitable > for the user plane. Please review 3GPP TR 29.892 and take that into accou= nt > in the analysis. > > I also would like to note that the Rel 16 is completed and 3GPP is workin= g > on Rel 17. > > Therefore the sentences like " The study description mentions that the > study would be based on > Release 16 requirement while only Release 15 specifications has been > available now. However we believe that to provide adequate > information for 3GPP, we need to clearly understand what the current > user plane protocol is in Release 15, and architectural requirements > for the user plane." is very weird considering that you are addressing > completed Release. > > I cannot understand why and what is the benefit of such. > > Best regards > Hannu > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmm On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 5:31 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dmm@ietf.org > Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of th= e > IETF. > > Title : User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis > on 3GPP 5G System > Authors : Shunsuke Homma > Takuya Miyasaka > Satoru Matsushima > Daniel Voyer > Filename : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt > Pages : 42 > Date : 2020-11-02 > > Abstract: > This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the > architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents. The analysis work is to > clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectural > requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane protocols > on IETF side. This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol > Study work on 3GPP side. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-0= 4 > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > --00000000000027781605b442c189 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Hannu,

Thank you for informi= ng the status of 3GPP.

Unfortunately, we did not have enough time to restructure the whole of = document at this update. We=E2=80=99ll modify introduction, conclusion and = any other sections at next updating with referring the result of 3GPP.

Meanwhile, we=E2=80=99d= like to make this document be valuable for future IETF work relevant to 3G= PP, and need feedback and opinion how to forward this work from WG.

Best regards,

Shunsuke behalf of authors

=

2= 020=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8816=E6=97=A5(=E6=9C=88) 4:33 Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - F= I/Espoo) <hannu.flin= ck@nokia-bell-labs.com>:
Hello authors of = the draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt draft,

As I have said earlier 3GPP CT4 as concluded the user plane study that the = draft is indirectly referring through the liaison statements in the intro s= ection.
The study listed a number of issues why Srv6 is not considered suitable for= the user plane. Please review 3GPP TR 29.892 and take that into account in= the analysis.

I also would like to note that the Rel 16 is completed and 3GPP is working = on Rel 17.

Therefore the sentences like " The study description mentions that the= study would be based on
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Release 16 requirement while only Release 15 specifications ha= s been
=C2=A0 =C2=A0available now.=C2=A0 However we believe that to provide adequa= te
=C2=A0 =C2=A0information for 3GPP, we need to clearly understand what the c= urrent
=C2=A0 =C2=A0user plane protocol is in Release 15, and architectural requir= ements
=C2=A0 =C2=A0for the user plane." is very weird considering that you a= re addressing completed Release.

I cannot understand why and what is the benefit of such.

Best regards
Hannu

-----Original Message-----
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts director= ies.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the = IETF.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Title=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis on 3GPP 5G System
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Authors=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0: Shun= suke Homma
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Takuya Miyasaka
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Satoru Matsushima
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Daniel Voyer
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Filename=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 : draft-iet= f-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pages=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:= 42
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Date=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 := 2020-11-02

Abstract:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the<= br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents.=C2=A0 The analysi= s work is to
=C2=A0 =C2=A0clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectur= al
=C2=A0 =C2=A0requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane prot= ocols
=C2=A0 =C2=A0on IETF side.=C2=A0 This work is corresponding to the User Pla= ne Protocol
=C2=A0 =C2=A0Study work on 3GPP side.


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https://datatracker.ietf.o= rg/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04

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The presentation materials are uploaded below, so if you are interested in them, please check them out. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/slides-109-dmm-user-plane-protocol-and-architectural-analysis-on-3gpp-5g-system-01 Also, as you can see in the email from Shunsuke, we're looking for feedback on the future direction of this draft, so please let us know if you have any ideas. Regards, Takuya On 2020/11/17 9:41, Shunsuke Homma wrote: > Hi Hannu, > > Thank you for informing the status of 3GPP. > > Unfortunately, we did not have enough time to restructure the whole of > document at this update. We’ll modify introduction, conclusion and any > other sections at next updating with referring the result of 3GPP. > > Meanwhile, we’d like to make this document be valuable for future IETF > work relevant to 3GPP, and need feedback and opinion how to forward > this work from WG. > > Best regards, > > Shunsuke behalf of authors > > > 2020年11月16日(月) 4:33 Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) > >: > > Hello authors of the draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt draft, > > As I have said earlier 3GPP CT4 as concluded the user plane study > that the draft is indirectly referring through the liaison > statements in the intro section. > The study listed a number of issues why Srv6 is not considered > suitable for the user plane. Please review 3GPP TR 29.892 and take > that into account in the analysis. > > I also would like to note that the Rel 16 is completed and 3GPP is > working on Rel 17. > > Therefore the sentences like " The study description mentions that > the study would be based on >    Release 16 requirement while only Release 15 specifications has > been >    available now.  However we believe that to provide adequate >    information for 3GPP, we need to clearly understand what the > current >    user plane protocol is in Release 15, and architectural > requirements >    for the user plane." is very weird considering that you are > addressing completed Release. > > I cannot understand why and what is the benefit of such. > > Best regards > Hannu > > -----Original Message----- > From: dmm > On > Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 5:31 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dmm@ietf.org > Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt > > > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management > WG of the IETF. > >         Title           : User Plane Protocol and Architectural > Analysis on 3GPP 5G System >         Authors         : Shunsuke Homma >                           Takuya Miyasaka >                           Satoru Matsushima >                           Daniel Voyer >         Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt >         Pages           : 42 >         Date            : 2020-11-02 > > Abstract: >    This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the >    architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents.  The analysis work > is to >    clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectural >    requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane protocols >    on IETF side.  This work is corresponding to the User Plane > Protocol >    Study work on 3GPP side. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis/ > > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 > > > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04 > > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of > submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at > tools.ietf.org . > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm > > > > _______________________________________________ > dmm mailing list > dmm@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dmm --------------BA561114C2183B1502A5229A Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

Hi all,

Due to a presentation order change and time shortage, we were not able to present the 5g-uplane-analysis draft yesterday. The presentation materials are uploaded below, so if you are interested in them, please check them out.
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/109/materials/slides-109-dmm-user-plane-protocol-and-architectural-analysis-on-3gpp-5g-system-01

Also, as you can see in the email from Shunsuke, we're looking for feedback on the future direction of this draft, so please let us know if you have any ideas.

Regards,
Takuya

On 2020/11/17 9:41, Shunsuke Homma wrote:
Hi Hannu,

Thank you for informing the status of 3GPP.

Unfortunately, we did not have enough time to restructure the whole of document at this update. We’ll modify introduction, conclusion and any other sections at next updating with referring the result of 3GPP.

Meanwhile, we’d like to make this document be valuable for future IETF work relevant to 3GPP, and need feedback and opinion how to forward this work from WG.

Best regards,

Shunsuke behalf of authors


2020年11月16日(月) 4:33 Flinck, Hannu (Nokia - FI/Espoo) <hannu.flinck@nokia-bell-labs.com>:
Hello authors of the draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt draft,

As I have said earlier 3GPP CT4 as concluded the user plane study that the draft is indirectly referring through the liaison statements in the intro section.
The study listed a number of issues why Srv6 is not considered suitable for the user plane. Please review 3GPP TR 29.892 and take that into account in the analysis.

I also would like to note that the Rel 16 is completed and 3GPP is working on Rel 17.

Therefore the sentences like " The study description mentions that the study would be based on
   Release 16 requirement while only Release 15 specifications has been
   available now.  However we believe that to provide adequate
   information for 3GPP, we need to clearly understand what the current
   user plane protocol is in Release 15, and architectural requirements
   for the user plane." is very weird considering that you are addressing completed Release.

I cannot understand why and what is the benefit of such.

Best regards
Hannu

-----Original Message-----
From: dmm <dmm-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org
Sent: Monday, November 2, 2020 5:31 PM
To: i-d-announce@ietf.org
Cc: dmm@ietf.org
Subject: [DMM] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt


A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the Distributed Mobility Management WG of the IETF.

        Title           : User Plane Protocol and Architectural Analysis on 3GPP 5G System
        Authors         : Shunsuke Homma
                          Takuya Miyasaka
                          Satoru Matsushima
                          Daniel Voyer
        Filename        : draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04.txt
        Pages           : 42
        Date            : 2020-11-02

Abstract:
   This document analyzes the mobile user plane protocol and the
   architecture specified in 3GPP 5G documents.  The analysis work is to
   clarify those specifications, extract protocol and architectural
   requirements and derive evaluation aspects for user plane protocols
   on IETF side.  This work is corresponding to the User Plane Protocol
   Study work on 3GPP side.


The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis/

There are also htmlized versions available at:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04

A diff from the previous version is available at:
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dmm-5g-uplane-analysis-04


Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at:
ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/


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