From nobody Sun Oct 1 05:08:12 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09E381348F7 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 05:08:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.8 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.8 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c4wCXtMeMsxe for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 05:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.bortzmeyer.org (aetius.bortzmeyer.org [217.70.190.232]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EF2E31348F2 for ; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 05:08:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail.bortzmeyer.org (Postfix, from userid 10) id 4789731D12; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 14:08:06 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mail.sources.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id BA6AB19000B; Sun, 1 Oct 2017 14:05:11 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 1 Oct 2017 14:05:11 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: doh@ietf.org Message-ID: <20171001120511.gbu6izjoundhr7xr@sources.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline X-Transport: UUCP rules X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 9.1 X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) Archived-At: Subject: [Doh] Implementations X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2017 12:08:11 -0000 What are the public implementations of the DNS-over-HTTPS concept? I know Google's one: % curl -s 'https://dns.google.com/resolve?name=ietf.org&type=MX' | jq . { "Status": 0, "TC": false, "RD": true, "RA": true, "AD": true, "CD": false, "Question": [ { "name": "ietf.org.", "type": 15 } ], "Answer": [ { "name": "ietf.org.", "type": 15, "TTL": 700, "data": "0 mail.ietf.org." } ] } Or mine : % curl -s -H 'Accept: application/json' https://dns.bortzmeyer.org/ietf.org/MX { ... "AnswerSection": [ { "MailExchanger": "mail.ietf.org.", "Name": "ietf.org.", "Type": "MX", "Preference": 0, "TTL": 1800 } ], "ReturnCode": "NOERROR", ... Any others? From nobody Wed Oct 11 02:46:30 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B34211331E7 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:46:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_50=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KxX6lGtI-8ii for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (mx4.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:2::4:12]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9E3B3133047 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 02:46:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx4.nic.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with SMTP id 4F5532824F4 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix, from userid 500) id 4A5E12824F8; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from relay01.prive.nic.fr (relay01.prive.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:2218:15::11]) by mx4.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 43F1E2824F4 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: from b12.nic.fr (b12.tech.ipv6.nic.fr [IPv6:2001:67c:1348:7::86:133]) by relay01.prive.nic.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41739642A7A1 for ; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Received: by b12.nic.fr (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 35DC740964; Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:46:23 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 11:46:23 +0200 From: Stephane Bortzmeyer To: doh@ietf.org Message-ID: <20171011094623.hkppimcmyte2wnmu@nic.fr> References: <20171001120511.gbu6izjoundhr7xr@sources.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20171001120511.gbu6izjoundhr7xr@sources.org> X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux 9.1 X-Kernel: Linux 4.9.0-3-amd64 x86_64 X-Charlie: Je suis Charlie Organization: NIC France X-URL: http://www.nic.fr/ User-Agent: NeoMutt/20170113 (1.7.2) X-Bogosity: No, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.000000, version=1.2.2 X-PMX-Version: 6.0.0.2142326, Antispam-Engine: 2.7.2.2107409, Antispam-Data: 2017.10.11.93616 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] Implementations X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2017 09:46:29 -0000 On Sun, Oct 01, 2017 at 02:05:11PM +0200, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote a message of 50 lines which said: > What are the public implementations of the DNS-over-HTTPS concept? I > know Google's one: ... > Or mine : Both return JSON. Anyone knows an implementation with DNS wire format? Could it be an interesting project for the next hackathon? There are currently few DNS projects . Any volunteer? From nobody Fri Oct 20 17:27:31 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietf.org Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB3241344DF; Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: "\"IETF Secretariat\"" To: , Cc: doh@ietf.org, adam@nostrum.com X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150854545989.20809.9313648367202816690.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2017 17:24:19 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Doh] doh - Requested session has been scheduled for IETF 100 X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2017 00:24:20 -0000 Dear Adam Roach, The session(s) that you have requested have been scheduled. Below is the scheduled session information followed by the original request. doh Session 1 (2:00:00) Thursday, Afternoon Session I 1330-1530 Room Name: Olivia size: 150 --------------------------------------------- Request Information: --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: DNS Over HTTPS Area Name: Applications and Real-Time Area Session Requester: Adam Roach Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 50 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: quic httpbis dnsop dprive intarea dhc 6man dispatch Second Priority: acme People who must be present: Paul E. Hoffman Adam Roach Patrick R. McManus Warren Kumari Patrick McManus Benjamin M. 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X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 22 Oct 2017 16:01:07 -0000 --001a11415eee2c174e055c24d04c Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a11415eee23b231055c24d093" --001a11415eee23b231055c24d093 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi all, and welcome to DOH! We're very excited to get started with DNS over HTTPS! As you may know, this working group's charter says "The working group will use draft-hoffman-dispatch-dns-over-https as input." Please read it! Based on advice from our Area Directors, unless we receive objections by 2017 October 27 (Friday), we will formally adopt this draft before the deadline for IETF 100. To avoid confusion: please read and critique this draft on this mailing list, and bear in mind that your critiques will not interfere with adoption unless you use the magic phrase "I object to adoption" or similar. Sincerely, Ben Schwartz --001a11415eee23b231055c24d093 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all, and welcome to DO= H!

We're very excited to get started with DNS over HTTPS!=C2=A0 As= you may know, this working group's charter says

"The working = group will use draft-hoffman-dispatch-dns-over-https as inpu= t."=C2=A0=C2=A0Please read it!=

Based on advice from our Area Directors, unless we receive objections = by 2017 October 27 (Friday), we will formally adopt this=C2=A0draft before the deadline for IETF 100.

To a= void confusion: please read and critique this draft on this mailing list, a= nd bear in mind that your critiques will not interfere with adoption unless= you use the magic phrase "I object to adoption" or similar.

= Sincerely,
Ben Schwartz
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Welcome to DOH! 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As you may know, > this working group's charter says > > "The working group will use draft-hoffman-dispatch-dns-over-https as input." > Please read it! > > Based on advice from our Area Directors, unless we receive objections by > 2017 October 27 (Friday), we will formally adopt this draft before the > deadline for IETF 100. > > To avoid confusion: please read and critique this draft on this mailing > list, and bear in mind that your critiques will not interfere with adoption > unless you use the magic phrase "I object to adoption" or similar. > > Sincerely, > Ben Schwartz > > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > From nobody Sun Oct 22 21:11:54 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1A2313D320 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:11:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id arf7omxIomM9 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ua0-x233.google.com (mail-ua0-x233.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400c:c08::233]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8265013D2F9 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-ua0-x233.google.com with SMTP id s41so11955585uab.10 for ; Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:11:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=fkvapA4tuon7UsogQQn76QKd8lQYF17DCuL3YTjZV1o=; b=qeUSu3PiCUXeH16q/C2tUuHsaUqb9qlxl6N/nbNsMmJspcWlvFNGVlI4/VVZpnzSgW 68r9MRvkfc74Yc7YMDGvynRbwgrJiq6IWvVeblmvQzbqN47UmjpwrAXbrPxCnL1HpSbp v6RRvxdacsNl5Oa8b4K/QVkgEoF/ppMRRiCSf07JF24HcEswmGlO7xeYbVdLDtZsGxZc AvMobXS1ldCEtnj4zEMBPJ5AIUpS0DHikveS5AtFHoIg1XMWuLMVgvy4OCL6wmzvxyTI muW80/bCqDnyX9u3ApZaAlQg4xkgTfWT5beavs7+uw+84u0AnjRxwwZpz6arGkZQNtbo Y9QA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=fkvapA4tuon7UsogQQn76QKd8lQYF17DCuL3YTjZV1o=; b=Y6zRajzt1O22VqMqh+ym0LOWITjN19bYq5hI244AhOanx2OT2F3xGaFzMiWxDpV8U3 Zo2aqAqNymd9p/D8J5bitNIPwjQ3Kr/USQmQyMY2QK231PQr+oLuYQBJlFpnzAViuhTu eRRR7Ri3B/H3X9j1509MX45F62psfG8Rg6kW/HyNIqMERsB16ZVMVNK8nwnL1aIeQhwa QgYzHzIxnWwQG63NjqD6t7aa97DjfHbkEWGUgLCRRmTunssYjWAM3hZ/jW200AbjASR+ +v0kSk6aLfI9bvkfwIsRWIPzoto13DU97CgsBMPcLt5ab8vZLDOyV1trO2WAelCFjjTw A9yw== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUvxihFJC6g+VjxbfpwRI0gWHkyj7HRM/VQkCdyJvsy9OnylzrM +6n2l5Z4OHcNwPxB0QN99QxnfIURVJJOrdp6RKlT8w== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+TaClhOJVnyBOxPmXslz0ZUhPNW/cfRDybVDT/WEED0oLcSf8kHJz0kHpOi8w5CchkNjGR9giYaOXbksVn0F1I= X-Received: by 10.176.24.218 with SMTP id d26mr10426437uah.126.1508731910300; Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:11:50 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.31.96.197 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Oct 2017 21:11:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Ben Schwartz Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 00:11:49 -0400 Message-ID: To: Martin Thomson Cc: doh@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="f403043548509a80b5055c2f05bc" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] Welcome to DOH! X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 04:11:53 -0000 --f403043548509a80b5055c2f05bc Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f40304354850938def055c2f0506" --f40304354850938def055c2f0506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" As it happens, the authors of this draft already have an issue tracker open for it on Github. Maybe they can confirm whether they'd like to receive additional comments there. On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 12:05 AM, Martin Thomson wrote: > This is fine. > > I have a fairly large number of relatively minor comments on the > draft. Some of these might be progressed more effectively with > something like a pull request. What are your plans for managing issue > tracking? > > On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:01 AM, Ben Schwartz wrote: > > Hi all, and welcome to DOH! > > > > We're very excited to get started with DNS over HTTPS! As you may know, > > this working group's charter says > > > > "The working group will use draft-hoffman-dispatch-dns-over-https as > input." > > Please read it! > > > > Based on advice from our Area Directors, unless we receive objections by > > 2017 October 27 (Friday), we will formally adopt this draft before the > > deadline for IETF 100. > > > > To avoid confusion: please read and critique this draft on this mailing > > list, and bear in mind that your critiques will not interfere with > adoption > > unless you use the magic phrase "I object to adoption" or similar. > > > > Sincerely, > > Ben Schwartz > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Doh mailing list > > Doh@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > > > --f40304354850938def055c2f0506 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
As it happens, the authors of this draft already have an i= ssue tracker open for it on Github.=C2=A0 Maybe they can confirm whether th= ey'd like to receive additional comments there.

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 12:05 AM, M= artin Thomson <martin.thomson@gmail.com> wrote:
This is fine.

I have a fairly large number of relatively minor comments on the
draft.=C2=A0 Some of these might be progressed more effectively with
something like a pull request.=C2=A0 What are your plans for managing issue=
tracking?

On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 3:01 AM, Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com> wrote:
> Hi all, and welcome to DOH!
>
> We're very excited to get started with DNS over HTTPS!=C2=A0 As yo= u may know,
> this working group's charter says
>
> "The working group will use draft-hoffman-dispatch-dns-over-= https as input."
> Please read it!
>
> Based on advice from our Area Directors, unless we receive objections = by
> 2017 October 27 (Friday), we will formally adopt this draft before the=
> deadline for IETF 100.
>
> To avoid confusion: please read and critique this draft on this mailin= g
> list, and bear in mind that your critiques will not interfere with ado= ption
> unless you use the magic phrase "I object to adoption" or si= milar.
>
> Sincerely,
> Ben Schwartz
>
> _______________________________________________
> Doh mailing list
> Doh@ietf.org
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Thread-Index: AQHTTAbVqYVQ4vPMOECtXRz7g44R3w== Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:57:15 +0000 Message-ID: <37340EE2-6827-4F8B-8DCF-08C5843B5EA6@icann.org> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <19E1BE93BD63E3469A41A2A7BA59FEAB@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] [Ext] Welcome to DOH! X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 13:57:19 -0000 On Oct 22, 2017, at 9:05 PM, Martin Thomson wrot= e: >=20 > This is fine. >=20 > I have a fairly large number of relatively minor comments on the > draft. Some of these might be progressed more effectively with > something like a pull request. What are your plans for managing issue > tracking? We have submitted a wg-named -00 that has a GitHub repo listed in it. If th= e WG accepts the draft as the starting point, we can use the GitHub repo fr= o issues and pull requests. 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X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2017 22:59:15 -0000 On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: > We have submitted a wg-named -00 that has a GitHub repo listed in it. That doesn't help me right now, at least until the usual searches (draft-ietf-doh-*) return more than zero results. 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------=_NextPart_000_003F_01D34C21.C3E6F040-- From nobody Mon Oct 23 17:27:40 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBD2513AE0B for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:27:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.878 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.878 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, T_SPF_HELO_PERMERROR=0.01, T_SPF_PERMERROR=0.01, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V4vdgbSXj5nQ for ; Mon, 23 Oct 2017 17:27:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nostrum.com (raven-v6.nostrum.com [IPv6:2001:470:d:1130::1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) 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X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2017 00:27:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------9FC68994644294AEE21EA535 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit [as responsible area director] Currently, IETF process is that any substantial discussion pertaining to adopted working group documents either happens on the working group mailing list [1], or in real-time meetings with minutes that are brought back to the mailing list. Using github for PRs and issue tracking is fine, but please make sure that all non-trivial discussion of issues happens on the mailing list. /a ____ [1] It would be perfectly reasonable for the WG to decide that comments from the github repository are to be automatically emailed to the list. It would be up to the chairs to poll for consensus on whether the WG wants this to be part of how it operates. On 10/23/17 7:10 PM, Hewitt, Rory wrote: > Hey Ben, > > In the interim, would you prefer that we send our responses directly to this > mailing list? If so, who's going to be responsible for adding them to Github > as and when we get access? > > Thanks, > > Rory > > Rory Hewitt > Akamai Technologies > Tel: (408) 650-0035 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Thomson [mailto:martin.thomson@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 3:59 PM > To: Paul Hoffman > Cc: Ben Schwartz ; doh@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Doh] [Ext] Welcome to DOH! > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Paul Hoffman > wrote: >> We have submitted a wg-named -00 that has a GitHub repo listed in it. > That doesn't help me right now, at least until the usual searches > (draft-ietf-doh-*) return more than zero results. > > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > > > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh --------------9FC68994644294AEE21EA535 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
[as responsible area director]

Currently, IETF process is that any substantial discussion pertaining to adopted working group documents either happens on the working group mailing list [1], or in real-time meetings with minutes that are brought back to the mailing list. Using github for PRs and issue tracking is fine, but please make sure that all non-trivial discussion of issues happens on the mailing list.

/a

____
[1] It would be perfectly reasonable for the WG to decide that comments from the github repository are to be automatically emailed to the list. It would be up to the chairs to poll for consensus on whether the WG wants this to be part of how it operates.


On 10/23/17 7:10 PM, Hewitt, Rory wrote:
Hey Ben,

In the interim, would you prefer that we send our responses directly to this
mailing list? If so, who's going to be responsible for adding them to Github
as and when we get access?

Thanks,

Rory

Rory Hewitt
Akamai Technologies
Tel: (408) 650-0035


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Thomson [mailto:martin.thomson@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 3:59 PM
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
Cc: Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com>; doh@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Doh] [Ext] Welcome to DOH!

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
wrote:

We have submitted a wg-named -00 that has a GitHub repo listed in it.

That doesn't help me right now, at least until the usual searches
(draft-ietf-doh-*) return more than zero results.

_______________________________________________
Doh mailing list
Doh@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh



_______________________________________________
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https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh


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X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2017 22:19:28 -0000 --94eb2c190e7ec71983055c66728f Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="94eb2c190e7ebe3a8e055c6672ab" --94eb2c190e7ebe3a8e055c6672ab Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Hewitt, Rory wrote: > Hey Ben, > > In the interim, would you prefer that we send our responses directly to > this > mailing list? If so, who's going to be responsible for adding them to > Github > as and when we get access? > It seems like the best thing for now will be to comment on the list in the old fashioned way. If and when we adopt the draft, we can consider alternative issue tracking. Of course, you're also welcome to hold your comments until we figure that out. > > Thanks, > > Rory > > Rory Hewitt > Akamai Technologies > Tel: (408) 650-0035 > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Thomson [mailto:martin.thomson@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 3:59 PM > To: Paul Hoffman > Cc: Ben Schwartz ; doh@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Doh] [Ext] Welcome to DOH! > > On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Paul Hoffman > wrote: > > We have submitted a wg-named -00 that has a GitHub repo listed in it. > > That doesn't help me right now, at least until the usual searches > (draft-ietf-doh-*) return more than zero results. > > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > --94eb2c190e7ebe3a8e055c6672ab Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Mon, Oct 23, 2017 at 8:10 PM, Hewitt, Rory <rhewitt@akamai.com= > wrote:
Hey Ben,

In the interim, would you prefer that we send our responses directly to thi= s
mailing list? If so, who's going to be responsible for adding them to G= ithub
as and when we get access?

It seems lik= e the best thing for now will be to comment on the list in the old fashione= d way.=C2=A0 If and when we adopt the draft, we can consider alternative is= sue tracking.=C2=A0 Of course, you're also welcome to hold your comment= s until we figure that out.
=C2=A0

Thanks,

Rory

Rory Hewitt
Akamai Technologies
Tel: (408) 650-= 0035


-----Original Message-----
From: Martin Thomson [mailto:ma= rtin.thomson@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2017 3:59 PM
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman= @icann.org>
Cc: Ben Schwartz <bemasc@google.com= >; doh@ietf.org
Subject: Re: [Doh] [Ext] Welcome to DOH!

On Tue, Oct 24, 2017 at 12:57 AM, Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org>
wrote:
> We have submitted a wg-named -00 that has a GitHub repo listed in it.<= br>
That doesn't help me right now, at least until the usual searches
(draft-ietf-doh-*) return more than zero results.

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There are > currently few DNS projects > . Any > volunteer? Pinging again because there was no interest at first. May be now? From nobody Sat Oct 28 07:24:32 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietf.org Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65F5D1394FB; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 07:24:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: doh@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150920066637.2684.11491691194905932687@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 07:24:26 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Doh] I-D Action: draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-00.txt X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 14:24:26 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DNS Over HTTPS WG of the IETF. Title : DNS Queries over HTTPS Authors : Paul Hoffman Patrick McManus Filename : draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-00.txt Pages : 12 Date : 2017-10-18 Abstract: DNS queries sometimes experience problems with end to end connectivity at times and places where HTTPS flows freely. HTTPS provides the most practical mechanism for reliable end to end communication. Its use of TLS provides integrity and confidentiality guarantees and its use of HTTP allows it to interoperate with proxies, firewalls, and authentication systems where required for transit. This document describes how to run DNS service over HTTP using https:// URIs. [[ There is a repository for this draft at https://github.com/paulehoffman/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https ]]. 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Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Sat Oct 28 08:19:13 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40B5713F57C for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:19:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -14.5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-14.5 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_HI=-5, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001, USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL=-7.5] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=cisco.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zXNrRA9pLcxb for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from aer-iport-1.cisco.com (aer-iport-1.cisco.com [173.38.203.51]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-SEED-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 7277213F49F for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 08:19:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=cisco.com; i=@cisco.com; l=3383; q=dns/txt; s=iport; t=1509203949; x=1510413549; h=subject:references:to:from:message-id:date:mime-version: in-reply-to; bh=T2LZzMjQwLZVK9XtunUDaQmek2AE7rrJ0ag3mhToR78=; b=gK+1RVEZNsH7bXETK7zjiauBgOV35lAUMi04FQnifssnzaLzNOYY0QHi cFJGdSww42/eZv52KnhFFeoCgLn7bssrNAYciJOCc0GB++0YJXY0uP27G wAx58LXYuU9VIhZxwEHTuHl6+oM9gEewon4qr5RUxCm4jDHuq+cYpfRwk A=; X-Files: signature.asc : 481 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: =?us-ascii?q?A0COAACYn/RZ/xbLJq1bGQEBAQEBAQEBA?= =?us-ascii?q?QEBBwEBAQEBhENuJ4N8ih90kBuWQhCCAQcDGAuFGAKFChgBAgEBAQEBAQFrKIU?= =?us-ascii?q?eAQEBAwEBIUsbCxgqAgInMBMGAgEBih8QqBOCJ4p9AQEBBwIBFg+DLoVsgwGEV?= =?us-ascii?q?YEIgkmCYQWiA4RCgiOBAY0WghVehSKDX4c5jF+JMYE5HzhCgSY0IQgdFR8qgmQ?= =?us-ascii?q?JhFg/NowlAQEB?= X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="5.44,308,1505779200"; d="asc'?scan'208";a="698298882" Received: from aer-iport-nat.cisco.com (HELO aer-core-3.cisco.com) ([173.38.203.22]) by aer-iport-1.cisco.com with ESMTP/TLS/DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384; 28 Oct 2017 15:19:07 +0000 Received: from [10.61.200.53] ([10.61.200.53]) by aer-core-3.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9SFJ6uR024828 for ; Sat, 28 Oct 2017 15:19:07 GMT References: <150920066637.2684.11491691194905932687@ietfa.amsl.com> To: doh@ietf.org From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 17:18:53 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <150920066637.2684.11491691194905932687@ietfa.amsl.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="mhm6Wb2iQiqncQpMvTHFnCUnviWsB4tvV" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] I-D Action: draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-00.txt X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 28 Oct 2017 15:19:11 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --mhm6Wb2iQiqncQpMvTHFnCUnviWsB4tvV Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="3vIe50pQAcT3du4TDQ1NiDUIgpjjkngmp"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eliot Lear To: doh@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Doh] I-D Action: draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-00.txt References: <150920066637.2684.11491691194905932687@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <150920066637.2684.11491691194905932687@ietfa.amsl.com> --3vIe50pQAcT3du4TDQ1NiDUIgpjjkngmp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Hi, How do the chairs want to track issues? Eliot On 10/28/17 4:24 PM, internet-drafts@ietf.org wrote: > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts dire= ctories. > This draft is a work item of the DNS Over HTTPS WG of the IETF. > > Title : DNS Queries over HTTPS > Authors : Paul Hoffman > Patrick McManus > Filename : draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-00.txt > Pages : 12 > Date : 2017-10-18 > > Abstract: > DNS queries sometimes experience problems with end to end > connectivity at times and places where HTTPS flows freely. > > HTTPS provides the most practical mechanism for reliable end to end > communication. Its use of TLS provides integrity and confidentialit= y > guarantees and its use of HTTP allows it to interoperate with > proxies, firewalls, and authentication systems where required for > transit. > > This document describes how to run DNS service over HTTP using > https:// URIs. > > [[ There is a repository for this draft at > https://github.com/paulehoffman/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https ]]. > > > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https/ > > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-00 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-00 > > > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submi= ssion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. > > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ > > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > --3vIe50pQAcT3du4TDQ1NiDUIgpjjkngmp-- --mhm6Wb2iQiqncQpMvTHFnCUnviWsB4tvV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJZ9J/dAAoJEIe2a0bZ0nozLW0H+gLk/qgRdWnpOGLLQpc9lmQg NOYA8c7hL4iqoybLGszBXxNl9lQRg5E4V8ipdPG8AF1WYRoPUZNxcw+YKsRun9yg iZGgW0wImR6w+WT7pq6kOn6aYOT3re+9GE1xy8uZN+ooATaxV3UspP+yEJx0Frk8 Zm6GVJ0Zs2PlKL9bfnU7OhlRsEVe04bzFy3koJQXpmHJ9SOcZEoX2CaUJvU7ng7x 1QKXP6H4YjC7iu76gQ/IIAGrZruRPngUjAyJMNjnmFjKjoLbMAXCp7qsDvgxmhh+ BB3BYn+lxtzrIfsSk6T3UTChG9gjv6QvETo8QbILgQeD2O/Gwlg7ToIl6UC+gsg= =9kf5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --mhm6Wb2iQiqncQpMvTHFnCUnviWsB4tvV-- From nobody Mon Oct 30 15:45:01 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietf.org Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A832213FD6D; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:44:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: doh@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.63.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Message-ID: <150940349364.28271.4600855743977923499@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 15:44:53 -0700 Archived-At: Subject: [Doh] I-D Action: draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-01.txt X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2017 22:44:54 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DNS Over HTTPS WG of the IETF. Title : DNS Queries over HTTPS Authors : Paul Hoffman Patrick McManus Filename : draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-01.txt Pages : 13 Date : 2017-10-30 Abstract: DNS queries sometimes experience problems with end to end connectivity at times and places where HTTPS flows freely. HTTPS provides the most practical mechanism for reliable end to end communication. Its use of TLS provides integrity and confidentiality guarantees and its use of HTTP allows it to interoperate with proxies, firewalls, and authentication systems where required for transit. This document describes how to run DNS service over HTTP using https:// URIs. [[ There is a repository for this draft at https://github.com/paulehoffman/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https ]]. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-01 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-01 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https-01 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Mon Oct 30 20:51:00 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 225D21393AE for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:50:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=google.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0ct0F8eHGFV for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-x22f.google.com (mail-yw0-x22f.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4002:c05::22f]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 01C4A13F452 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:50:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-yw0-x22f.google.com with SMTP id z195so13570042ywz.6 for ; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:50:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=xHTqLIS5qB0UZ1xpscPqMkzwKyztwJlZJGS35ubcy+8=; b=IcszbYKZLq7jmyh4hlDJp3seK4JKjraPmyAud8LdFLFR2kKFMtTWi4NpslDnYV9HHx hzJZTqRDmWPnqZA3QzRbRunDGfGQT5gujKf31EBcSMKiZ3SNRT7HJey69YUph5OeiPXr c40beN7YKPvvEEvY+v7/JngP8TPpmVTwkE7PjnxvGEO4cQrfogmGUpEIeE2F6mTOJ5Vc T+EmdSzE/kWelzyeuU41WFFStmrhpvmTJBS1foKrcOL0+uRKcRzOgnMw3+UM+19c1gpu F0mQcU96vfyXnKyKCzg7EvXKALSussLLVHnb2Va+qJMgzwVzRX9qhjt5hKuD3nEYGoMD 9dTg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=xHTqLIS5qB0UZ1xpscPqMkzwKyztwJlZJGS35ubcy+8=; b=JRfezaHlYedkzh19k/+lyqT/g7G8HpinXCsuULtVZgIAU+WUK4kjmtMdOHobNC1fug SFgteJQe53aMrLLFJZtq5ti882TkMfT1v4qYCoPs4JKdflL+dPLxpCON5rlQ53X9Q2RK FT4lKPgc8Wj8vM0mjI1/JKl7SNoBp3nRw+NwkFweYMCQshGQZUd5fSVStyEZjGXQ31b1 KGqg3wCv61Cj0/1wDDTBlEYactmsi4dYomQxAS7xpGmJpbe6cwzdjwc7rz50ecbgJdVG D5mghtyRp8FxhUJmzMPXNCWCLWzs0L2lU6puSuDeLF7tKDuR9MSHoYSb/sL/ka5IFX2r fQRg== X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaUeRtaqZr9bUzW7FU4zRicqwPq4Ix33HM67RejAuzldGTgp6ZHE SD/24fZ2PKom2VCQY4KG66g4fLw+cPxZNhCrqlEU32mV X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+RfUxnEB2SOBDfxshTDE7kB1J1NU9VKToOhJub3inOMpvi85nOXgHuDQsWEwXtCDfTie/vi+RNB4OxRtvbGToY= X-Received: by 10.13.212.5 with SMTP id w5mr385579ywd.13.1509421853863; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:50:53 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.37.14.196 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Oct 2017 20:50:33 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <6FC2C22D-C0F5-4C49-BC47-546E8DDDCACA@mnot.net> References: <1AC5B9DB-3439-4CE5-97D0-993411E131EF@icann.org> <480066BC-A3D7-425F-A306-F2DB2CFA7AFA@icann.org> <6FC2C22D-C0F5-4C49-BC47-546E8DDDCACA@mnot.net> From: Erik Kline Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:50:33 +0900 Message-ID: To: Mark Nottingham , doh@ietf.org Cc: Ben Schwartz , Paul Hoffman , Martin Thomson Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha-256; boundary="001a114fb5027395e2055ccfa9b2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] [dnsoverhttp] [Ext] Caching model X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 03:50:58 -0000 --001a114fb5027395e2055ccfa9b2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" (moving dnsoverhttp@ to bcc, adding doh@) On 31 October 2017 at 10:45, Mark Nottingham wrote: > > >> On 31 Oct 2017, at 12:40 pm, Ben Schwartz wrote: >> >> This is not the working group list! >> >> Conveniently that means that I am not chair here, so I can have opinions. >> >> I like the idea of zeroing out the TTL on the wire, and converting the TTL into an HTTP Expires header. If the client is using HTTP caching, it can leave the TTL at zero. Otherwise, it should reconstitute the DNS TTL from the Expires header. > > +1, although it needs to be the Freshness Lifetime (i.e., accounting for both Cache-Control and Age as well). > > > >> >> On Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 9:33 PM, Martin Thomson wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:12 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote: >> > Are you saying that the DNS API client might be keeping its own cache with timeouts? >> >> Well, my DNS library does today. We might do as Mark suggests, and >> take steps to disable that, but that might not be the easiest way to >> integrate DOH into an existing stack. If I wanted to retrofit my >> operating system so that gethostbyname() used HTTPS, then that is >> (apparently) possible by replacing the protocol-y bits of the code. >> But it might be too disruptive to disable caching. Maybe someone who >> has had hands on there can speak to that. Mobile operators have requirements that the DNS resolver layer on the device cache answers locally. 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boundary="001a114e016469c240055cdc442a" Archived-At: Subject: [Doh] Status update X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:53:16 -0000 --001a114e016469c240055cdc442a Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="001a114e01646039f8055cdc4495" --001a114e01646039f8055cdc4495 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" 1. We have formally adopted Paul and Patrick's draft: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https/ . Further comments definitely welcome! 2. We have opened a "project" on Github for anyone who would prefer to track issues there. (However, our ADs have advised the substantive discussion should stay on this mailing list.). The issue tracker is here: https://github.com/dohwg/drafts/issues. The draft text is not yet on github, so we're not yet ready for pull requests. 3. Please contact the list or the chairs ASAP if you would like agenda time. --Ben, for the chairs --001a114e01646039f8055cdc4495 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
1. We have formally adopted Paul and Patrick's draft:= =C2=A0https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-doh-dns-over-https/ = .=C2=A0 Further comments definitely welcome!

2. We have = opened a "project" on Github for anyone who would prefer to track= issues there.=C2=A0 (However, our ADs have advised the substantive discuss= ion should stay on this mailing list.).=C2=A0 The issue tracker is here:=C2= =A0https://github.com/do= hwg/drafts/issues.=C2=A0 The draft text is not yet on github, so we'= ;re not yet ready for pull requests.

3. Please con= tact the list or the chairs ASAP if you would like agenda time.
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31 Oct 2017 18:58:37 +0000 Received: from [10.61.239.244] ([10.61.239.244]) by aer-core-4.cisco.com (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id v9VIwbEr002822 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:58:37 GMT To: doh@ietf.org From: Eliot Lear Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:57:09 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.4.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="ct9clcfEIwLwab2XWtugB5eBPNQwLxAW7" Archived-At: Subject: [Doh] operational issues with doh X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 18:58:44 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --ct9clcfEIwLwab2XWtugB5eBPNQwLxAW7 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="aPnoacQkvDcFAm5P4t90wnqGa9BXN9GDW"; protected-headers="v1" From: Eliot Lear To: doh@ietf.org Message-ID: Subject: operational issues with doh --aPnoacQkvDcFAm5P4t90wnqGa9BXN9GDW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Language: en-US Hi everyone, Just to follow up on the lengthy discussion that took place during chartering, there are some operational issues that use of doh can create, particularly with regard to load balancers and split DNS.=C2=A0 D= o those go into the draft or do they go into a separate doc?=C2=A0 It's qui= te possible they can be mitigated against, and if they can be, and if the text isn't too long, can I suggest that we start out by having some text in the draft, and if it starts to get lengthy we split it off? Eliot --aPnoacQkvDcFAm5P4t90wnqGa9BXN9GDW-- --ct9clcfEIwLwab2XWtugB5eBPNQwLxAW7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG/MacGPG2 v2 iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJZ+MeFAAoJEIe2a0bZ0nozBUYIAMXvcs1A2un4hrzNKJ0wGUP1 eyDNzfhygcV8ZNeihdVmYuEo9Sde5ZIBtE1vb+52b5GL9J12bBc12HKaNYKeN+OX B+9XpWATHVrBratjuJjhj7IxfMfsZ1egm+el5Vq6Si63ZwNXs+4VNsEK8E4ezPE9 v1ixqGPqdO7QOVngR5zrIiIJpQqY5hqeBGAgklERrwlDwkVX4lGzivnKkZ3Lri+n rjFnWezuzxunRqXU4+Fh504o6+3dqNS1lKMGeRdgS4uKssTW+cGX5OzSc3KJbgr0 r+oRIduo7kbsmEyFckxN0uqy/3c4xvPiNgsI3lXGcPUwOltAfuXTwpNlthss2ZQ= =s4xd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ct9clcfEIwLwab2XWtugB5eBPNQwLxAW7-- From nobody Tue Oct 31 12:48:04 2017 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9164713F612 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:48:02 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 2.601 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: No, score=2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS=3.335, RCVD_IN_SORBS_SPAM=0.5, SPF_SOFTFAIL=0.665] autolearn=no autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ViwpBizi-Hfd for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linode64.ducksong.com (linode6only.ducksong.com [IPv6:2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe6e:e8da]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23FFD13A302 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-lf0-f43.google.com (mail-lf0-f43.google.com [209.85.215.43]) by linode64.ducksong.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 415A03A0AA for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:47:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: by mail-lf0-f43.google.com with SMTP id e143so125248lfg.12 for ; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:47:57 -0700 (PDT) X-Gm-Message-State: AMCzsaWbGa+ea86gzlhERKYe3jQV+DUTO2I/Rv3OtMoj8hMYV2CdJ6WY fqlqZWa1EHC11JPfGGssJMfMR+nzy2iwx4eF7P8= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABhQp+QBCwGEKEE89BBsq6sHWiDP0WYgiOLi8KLZzs5zvRhdsdz4pj5dLQCQj9Sj+6EISLUv8G8jy9WQZu9hyZOrWEY= X-Received: by 10.25.223.83 with SMTP id q19mr1198988lfj.104.1509479275945; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:47:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.25.21.22 with HTTP; Tue, 31 Oct 2017 12:47:55 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Patrick McManus Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 15:47:55 -0400 X-Gmail-Original-Message-ID: Message-ID: To: Eliot Lear Cc: doh@ietf.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="f403045e381609e9b4055cdd08a6" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] operational issues with doh X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.22 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 19:48:02 -0000 --f403045e381609e9b4055cdd08a6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I think I would prefer a separate document if people were interested in working on that. On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Eliot Lear wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Just to follow up on the lengthy discussion that took place during > chartering, there are some operational issues that use of doh can > create, particularly with regard to load balancers and split DNS. Do > those go into the draft or do they go into a separate doc? It's quite > possible they can be mitigated against, and if they can be, and if the > text isn't too long, can I suggest that we start out by having some text > in the draft, and if it starts to get lengthy we split it off? > > Eliot > > > > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > > --f403045e381609e9b4055cdd08a6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think I would prefer a separate document if people were = interested in working on that.

On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 2:57 PM, Eliot Lear <lear@cisc= o.com> wrote:
Hi everyone,<= br>
Just to follow up on the lengthy discussion that took place during
chartering, there are some operational issues that use of doh can
create, particularly with regard to load balancers and split DNS.=C2=A0 Do<= br> those go into the draft or do they go into a separate doc?=C2=A0 It's q= uite
possible they can be mitigated against, and if they can be, and if the
text isn't too long, can I suggest that we start out by having some tex= t
in the draft, and if it starts to get lengthy we split it off?

Eliot



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