From nobody Mon Aug 19 13:03:30 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD8AA120953 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:03:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GEjOSdTgVEKx for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ppa3.lax.icann.org (ppa3.lax.icann.org [192.0.33.78]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5725B120935 for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:03:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from PFE112-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (out.west.pexch112.icann.org [64.78.40.7]) by ppa3.lax.icann.org (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with ESMTPS id x7JK3FmV020888 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 20:03:15 GMT Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.21) by PMBX112-W1-CA-2.pexch112.icann.org (64.78.40.23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 15.0.1473.3; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:03:14 -0700 Received: from PMBX112-W1-CA-1.pexch112.icann.org ([64.78.40.21]) by PMBX112-W1-CA-1.PEXCH112.ICANN.ORG ([64.78.40.21]) with mapi id 15.00.1473.005; Mon, 19 Aug 2019 13:03:13 -0700 From: Paul Hoffman To: doh WG Thread-Topic: On shutting down work on draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh Thread-Index: AQHVVskh7j3O/8XObEW1/gEK9tnqJg== Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 20:03:13 +0000 Message-ID: <7401D41B-5E91-492F-A0D0-F0BED217C54A@icann.org> Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-ms-exchange-messagesentrepresentingtype: 1 x-ms-exchange-transport-fromentityheader: Hosted x-originating-ip: [192.0.32.234] x-source-routing-agent: Processed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <3108F5F77ECBD041B3FEECD83ACDBCB7@pexch112.icann.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:, , definitions=2019-08-19_04:, , signatures=0 Archived-At: Subject: [Doh] On shutting down work on draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2019 20:03:25 -0000 Greetings again. The DNSOP WG has adopted draft-ietf-dnsop-resolver-informa= tion as a WG document. That draft covers the transport of information that = was previously in draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. The data content = from draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh is tentatively in draft-sah-res= info-doh, which may come to this WG or to DNSOP, depending on how the WG ch= airs feel. Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of draft-ietf-doh-resolve= r-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of draft-ietf-doh-resolver-assoc= iated-doh that is a tombstone so that people in the future know that we con= sciously killed it. Thoughts? --Paul Hoffman= From nobody Sat Aug 31 13:33:58 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0B52D120180 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 13:33:49 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zYJoMuaZxzsZ for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 13:33:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gro.dd.org (host2.dlawren-3-gw.cust.sover.net [207.136.201.30]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5D90D120123 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 13:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by gro.dd.org (Postfix, from userid 102) id A2C2C11228C; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:33:45 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <23914.55721.648571.712258@gro.dd.org> Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:33:45 -0400 From: Dave Lawrence To: doh WG In-Reply-To: <7401D41B-5E91-492F-A0D0-F0BED217C54A@icann.org> References: <7401D41B-5E91-492F-A0D0-F0BED217C54A@icann.org> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] On shutting down work on draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 20:33:54 -0000 Paul Hoffman writes: > Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that > people in the future know that we consciously killed it. > > Thoughts? It looks like this never got a response. Personally (no hats) I'd like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it. 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I could do a final draft of > > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that > > people in the future know that we consciously killed it. > > > > Thoughts? > > It looks like this never got a response. Personally (no hats) I'd > like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it. +1 (and sorry for not responding earlier). It seems much better to document that this was intentional and not that e.g people just got sidetracked, etc. W > > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --000000000000f1a9d10591708ea5 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence <tale@dd.org> wrote:
Paul Hoffman writes:
> Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of
> draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that
> people in the future know that we consciously killed it.
>
> Thoughts?

It looks like this never got a response.=C2=A0 Personally (no hats) I'd=
like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it.


+1 (and sorry for not responding earlier).

It seems much better to document that this was intentio= nal and not that e.g people just got sidetracked, etc.

W



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I don't think the execution is relev= ant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like pu= tting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having ch= osen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0---maf
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I actually did the Datatracker stuff to mark draft-sah-resolver-information as "Replaces". draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh hope that doesn't upset the authors. Tim On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence wrote: > >> Paul Hoffman writes: >> > Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of >> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of >> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that >> > people in the future know that we consciously killed it. >> > >> > Thoughts? >> >> It looks like this never got a response. Personally (no hats) I'd >> like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it. > > > > +1 (and sorry for not responding earlier). > > It seems much better to document that this was intentional and not that > e.g people just got sidetracked, etc. > > W > > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Doh mailing list >> Doh@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh >> > -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea > in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > _______________________________________________ > Doh mailing list > Doh@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh > --00000000000007c651059170a844 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The chairs can either ma= rk the old draft "Parked" Or "Dead" in the data tracked= and add a comment with a link to the current draft.

I actual= ly did the Datatracker stuff to mark draft-sah-resolver-information as=C2= =A0
"Replaces". =C2=A0draft-ietf-doh-resolv= er-associated-doh

hope that doesn'= t upset the authors.=C2=A0

Tim


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence <tale@dd.org> wrote:
Paul Hoffman writes:
> Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of
> draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that
> people in the future know that we consciously killed it.
>
> Thoughts?

It looks like this never got a response.=C2=A0 Personally (no hats) I'd=
like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it.


+1 (and sorry for not responding earlier).

It seems much better to document that this was intentio= nal and not that e.g people just got sidetracked, etc.

W



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This is like putting ra= bid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen tho= se particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
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--00000000000007c651059170a844-- From nobody Sat Aug 31 14:47:56 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4955B12012A for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:47:55 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.899 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PWwA0Ol1M_GD for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qt1-x832.google.com (mail-qt1-x832.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::832]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8CF61120041 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-qt1-x832.google.com with SMTP id n7so11658467qtb.6 for ; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:47:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kumari-net.20150623.gappssmtp.com; s=20150623; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=ugAzM19wRmCjxzrJYszCXasMs00i3t593LRCW4MfU6E=; b=q00nUoX9XvPMKp14WKev52rxOWP7qwnnJlURGmZ5w2QAI3Y17o0an+4Sp7Qdv7zYIf +E3Vw/BuvlvnAt1aYCDeBqKE2lp5LxumHvx5jiDiphjYq4DsTurA0hVu3WscfcVHgP56 kN5BPudZ0XYjo0hS1sfrAc5iPyxXvXy5yreu9Bc/8pyz0M91cyeQi+b/q15sBwk9zQDu tiEyFT1oMzy19b07uwEP120KosqufTFWstWC9+N7pKkb+cI5AWo6Ivoln7KeKLV4WiHr b+PdLR/feYC7O+51FkZSyzuSw7IVn2d0c/Bud7Ci9Pr77bPkq6reUwxLlLKYtKyuPOyk MXxw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ugAzM19wRmCjxzrJYszCXasMs00i3t593LRCW4MfU6E=; b=miIzBDN2sU5NzCEGRknue9KfhT7sWl//8w5YnZRlPl0pvGPJI0gBJhibhJ6Ig4+0Eg HKPTci6tg0nRGKzkXqTNDVJ6zmunjZfwnZN4lupTO52pFh9hScwZ1oww5RZ3S286oUiF dL7lmLsS7IB0eNvqg4D6KRNQLpM7ZjpifcK4AUr0gje0RmrGhAAsOAOl+b7wjadS4M1v LajZl2Cbgs+KkuxHX2mPLIP8MAnL3Bf5XJ5CaSRuNRo2mw7EmgrdsXnIteeqxJNyehNe 9w1KDAJaMdz50fZTofTd8XCKV7+l5V2L057cL87UPZt5XWJsqP1sVt1675t0vEibL63u 3fEQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWZTvBFbjsbem7XUc78smpoqifx9fGOk3lgjpQ+z9aZD7B4ue+v yBlxdZqlooJ0x4sv8pq+JgykuTjCF7ZnuXKBI1Hx+Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqx8VQsNt+jMRc8dCw6L18bnYgU0m8jyIcHy7RUlxZ0nWJUh/cLhRa83EQoHF2b5C6FVDmn0fq7F4/FgcrnT7pU= X-Received: by 2002:ac8:120c:: with SMTP id x12mr14499645qti.315.1567288071142; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:47:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <7401D41B-5E91-492F-A0D0-F0BED217C54A@icann.org> <23914.55721.648571.712258@gro.dd.org> In-Reply-To: From: Warren Kumari Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:47:40 -0400 Message-ID: To: Tim Wicinski Cc: Dave Lawrence , doh WG Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000bddc04059170b0a2" Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Doh] On shutting down work on draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 21:47:55 -0000 --000000000000bddc04059170b0a2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable IMO, that=E2=80=99s good, but it=E2=80=99s only clear to people who view th= is through the datatracker - I still think it would be good to also put in. A (short) tombstone saying what happened, and why. W On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:45 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > The chairs can either mark the old draft "Parked" Or "Dead" in the data > tracked and add a comment with a link to the current draft. > > I actually did the Datatracker stuff to mark > draft-sah-resolver-information as > "Replaces". draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh > > hope that doesn't upset the authors. > > Tim > > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence wrote: >> >>> Paul Hoffman writes: >>> > Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of >>> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of >>> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that >>> > people in the future know that we consciously killed it. >>> > >>> > Thoughts? >>> >>> It looks like this never got a response. Personally (no hats) I'd >>> like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it. >> >> >> >> +1 (and sorry for not responding earlier). >> >> It seems much better to document that this was intentional and not that >> e.g people just got sidetracked, etc. >> >> W >> >> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Doh mailing list >>> Doh@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh >>> >> -- >> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea >> in the first place. >> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing >> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of >> pants. >> ---maf >> _______________________________________________ >> Doh mailing list >> Doh@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh >> > -- I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place. This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants. ---maf --000000000000bddc04059170b0a2 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
IMO, that=E2=80=99s good, but it=E2=80=99s only clea= r to people who view this through the datatracker - I still think it would = be good to also put in. A (short) tombstone saying what happened, and why.<= /div>

W

On Sat, Aug = 31, 2019 at 5:45 PM Tim Wicinski <= tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div dir=3D"ltr">
The chairs can either mar= k the old draft "Parked" Or "Dead" in the data tracked = and add a comment with a link to the current draft.

I actuall= y did the Datatracker stuff to mark draft-sah-resolver-information as=C2=A0=
"Replaces". =C2=A0draft-ietf-doh-resolver-= associated-doh

hope that doesn't u= pset the authors.=C2=A0
=

Tim


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5= :38 PM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence <tale@dd.org> wrote:
Paul Hoffman writes:
> Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of
> draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that
> people in the future know that we consciously killed it.
>
> Thoughts?

It looks like this never got a response.=C2=A0 Personally (no hats) I'd=
like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it.


+1 (and sorry for not responding earlier).

It seems much better to document that this was intentio= nal and not that e.g people just got sidetracked, etc.

W



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I don't think the execu= tion is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
Th= is is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret= at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
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I don't think the execution is relev= ant when it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like pu= tting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having ch= osen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2= =A0---maf
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As a working group chair, I have been conditioned to see the world through the data tracker (not saying it's a good thing). On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:47 PM Warren Kumari wrote: > IMO, that=E2=80=99s good, but it=E2=80=99s only clear to people who view = this through the > datatracker - I still think it would be good to also put in. A (short) > tombstone saying what happened, and why. > > W > > On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:45 PM Tim Wicinski wrote: > >> The chairs can either mark the old draft "Parked" Or "Dead" in the data >> tracked and add a comment with a link to the current draft. >> >> I actually did the Datatracker stuff to mark >> draft-sah-resolver-information as >> "Replaces". draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh >> >> hope that doesn't upset the authors. >> >> Tim >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Warren Kumari wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence wrote: >>> >>>> Paul Hoffman writes: >>>> > Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of >>>> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of >>>> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that >>>> > people in the future know that we consciously killed it. >>>> > >>>> > Thoughts? >>>> >>>> It looks like this never got a response. Personally (no hats) I'd >>>> like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it. >>> >>> >>> >>> +1 (and sorry for not responding earlier). >>> >>> It seems much better to document that this was intentional and not that >>> e.g people just got sidetracked, etc. >>> >>> W >>> >>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Doh mailing list >>>> Doh@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh >>>> >>> -- >>> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad ide= a >>> in the first place. >>> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing >>> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of >>> pants. >>> ---maf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Doh mailing list >>> Doh@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh >>> >> -- > I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea > in the first place. > This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing > regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of > pants. > ---maf > --000000000000490ccb059170cd51 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I totally agree Warren. =C2=A0 As a working group chair, I= have been conditioned to see the world through the data tracker (not sayin= g it's a good thing).=C2=A0



On Sat, Aug 31= , 2019 at 5:47 PM Warren Kumari <wa= rren@kumari.net> wrote:
IMO, that=E2=80=99s good, but it=E2=80=99s only clear to people who vi= ew this through the datatracker - I still think it would be good to also pu= t in. A (short) tombstone saying what happened, and why.

W

On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:45 P= M Tim Wicinski <= tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
The chairs can either mark the old draf= t "Parked" Or "Dead" in the data tracked and add a comm= ent with a link to the current draft.

I actually did the Data= tracker stuff to mark draft-sah-resolver-information as=C2=A0
"Replaces". =C2=A0draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh=

hope that doesn't upset the autho= rs.=C2=A0

Tim


On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Warren = Kumari <warren@ku= mari.net> wrote:


<= div class=3D"gmail_quote">
On Sat, Aug= 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence <tale@dd.org> wrote:
Paul Hoff= man writes:
> Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of
> draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that
> people in the future know that we consciously killed it.
>
> Thoughts?

It looks like this never got a response.=C2=A0 Personally (no hats) I'd=
like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it.


+1 (and sorry for not responding earlier).

It seems much better to document that this was intentio= nal and not that e.g people just got sidetracked, etc.

W



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= I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad ide= a in the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, = and later expressing regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels= and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf
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I don't think the execution is relevant when= it was obviously a bad idea in the first place.
This is like putting ra= bid weasels in your pants, and later expressing regret at having chosen tho= se particular rabid weasels and that pair of pants.
=C2=A0 =C2=A0---maf<= /div>
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