From macfisherman@gmail.com Mon Nov 1 13:12:50 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B94603A6A0E for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:12:50 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JEHsoJCvbnHl for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ey0-f172.google.com (mail-ey0-f172.google.com [209.85.215.172]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B06A3A68C0 for ; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:12:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so3263168eyd.31 for ; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:12:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:received:in-reply-to :references:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=4vqPQV/e/Tf6zbdwuhwIJAA+Kb9s73WPPKK6TqTKLEM=; b=EDiz7AXIxqfEfqGAH95+pfwUbyLFpjOyKyjeSSk9+f9rC8CSOe7XG0A+bHkaB+5ikk PxAvslDryHNN5M97AW8+AjCtk1wgaMCms7Fy5cX27Xmskwaj48vCQyitaMYlrqufwYAp feAMFXYK/t/wqA/SWsweO2B2+6agWyT+Q9z18= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=bTCzUR1WWFz213jMjviKd4FNSUYgAO3ug1ldOyiB79jO+gG2mcsLCHfHFkkLnjcPlZ jqHLbjwpLzgkO8Mr8a6iOmpEcMzpcAuC1Lz3tNXy4CgKPWzbCgd3pRN1Ql3lY5QkoxIZ +WX4FHcXn8XiHLgTHDQFDa1tVo83+wHAWuU80= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.213.19.72 with SMTP id z8mr13535822eba.53.1288642367454; Mon, 01 Nov 2010 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.13.81 with HTTP; Mon, 1 Nov 2010 13:12:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <20101025041120.27703.qmail@joyce.lan> <4CC577F2.5070907@att.com> Date: Mon, 1 Nov 2010 16:12:47 -0400 Message-ID: From: Jeff Macdonald To: domainrep@ietf.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [domainrep] Reinventing opt-in, message streams, reputation as abidance X-BeenThere: domainrep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Domain Reputation discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 20:12:50 -0000 On Mon, Oct 25, 2010 at 10:27 AM, John R. Levine wrote: >>> "Yeah, we send a lot of spam, but it all has a real return address"! >>> >> Right now the value in the localpart of the i=3D value is totally opaque= . >> Right now you can't say anything about the reputation of the localpart >> identifier in i=3D because you don't know anything about the policy of t= he >> sender when creating it. >> This would allow the sender to state their generating policy, and the >> verifier to take advantage of it. >> I feel that it can strengthen the white list uses of DKIM. > > Can you offer some examples? =A0It still seems to me that by the time you= know > that you believe a signer's rule for constructing the i=3D value, you pro= bably > want to whitelist all his mail anyway. > > Conversely, if the i=3D really indicates that there are multiple mail str= eams, > why wouldn't it be better for him to use different d=3D domains? I was thinking of free mail providers. It seems really impractical to have a different d=3D value for each of it users. But then as I wrote that, a better idea would be to have a small set (say 2 or 3) of d=3D values to put their users into. Ah, so just treat this as a bit of brain rot that just refreshed itself. --=20 Jeff Macdonald Ayer, MA From ftabsharani@port25.com Mon Nov 22 12:55:45 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6907A28C166 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:55:45 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.335 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.335 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_60=1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id skBCt7xFGglA for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:55:44 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.port25.com (mail.port25.com [69.63.149.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55FA928C162 for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:55:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k20040525; d=port25.com; h=From:To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type; l=5937; i=ftabsharani@port25.com; bh=yhBXNgXFhdfGfuALZdavDcW3xMA=; b=WISP/j0pXReq78tkObigLUxC1a7yCkPlC/88mPb5BLFBGasTDbc+7GclwVHvrOxtXh5qHo0bue3U sS/UVNNP0URFasR/QByGfdvxETb5Cn5pe6RDofMcFPYp1iH7zD7UdIqjAzj5a94H/SqWUlh2O8j9 f8BPn0ygXmpF4KHcwM4= Received: by mail.port25.com (PowerMTA(TM) v3.6a3) id htbcgg0hmngb for ; Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:56:20 -0500 (envelope-from ) From: "Fred Tabsharani" To: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:55:59 -0800 Message-ID: <002a01cb8a87$ab0439b0$010cad10$@port25.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002B_01CB8A44.9CE20B20" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AcuKh6kLUDdrRBAzRm2Eu5JkKiLgnQ== Content-Language: en-us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:43:11 -0800 Subject: [domainrep] ISP Panel in Park City: Email Insider Summit X-BeenThere: domainrep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Domain Reputation discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:55:45 -0000 This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CB8A44.9CE20B20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit All, Excuse the interruption and late notice, but would anyone like to get some skiing in and be on an ISP panel for the Email Insider Summit in Park City, early next month? We may also partially contribute to Travel and Expenses.. http://www.mediapost.com/events/?/showID/EmailInsiderSummit.10.Utah/type/Age nda/itemID/1683/EmailInsiderSummit-Agenda.html let me know asap.. thx, \fred Fred Tabsharani port25 Solutions, Inc Marketing | Industry Relations O: 510.526.3733 M: 510.367.5832 T: @tabsharani ------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CB8A44.9CE20B20 Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

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------=_NextPart_000_002B_01CB8A44.9CE20B20-- From jdfalk-lists@cybernothing.org Thu Nov 25 10:29:20 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EE828C137 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:29:20 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.74 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id odgcw-EBspDi for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from ocelope.disgruntled.net (ocelope.disgruntled.net [97.107.131.76]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DAC23A68A9 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:29:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.100.129] (wsip-68-224-170-2.sd.sd.cox.net [68.224.170.2]) (authenticated bits=0) by ocelope.disgruntled.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5+lenny1) with ESMTP id oAPIUGSK015295 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NOT) for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:30:18 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) From: "J.D. Falk" In-Reply-To: <002a01cb8a87$ab0439b0$010cad10$@port25.com> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:30:15 -0800 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <149A7AA6-87CD-4848-87D4-48EE4C45981A@cybernothing.org> References: <002a01cb8a87$ab0439b0$010cad10$@port25.com> To: domainrep@ietf.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) Subject: Re: [domainrep] ISP Panel in Park City: Email Insider Summit X-BeenThere: domainrep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Domain Reputation discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 18:29:20 -0000 On Nov 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Fred Tabsharani wrote: > Excuse the interruption and late notice, but would anyone like to get = some skiing in and be on an ISP panel for the Email Insider Summit in = Park City, early next month? We may also partially contribute to Travel = and Expenses.. I know it's not your fault, Fred, but I find it insulting that this = event is called the Email Insider Summit when it's actually only = interested in email marketing. If the event were to expand beyond marketing, you might find actual = email insiders in the YAM or SMTP working groups. From ftabsharani@port25.com Thu Nov 25 12:27:39 2010 Return-Path: X-Original-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Delivered-To: domainrep@core3.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCDB3A68E8 for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:27:39 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.465 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.465 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[AWL=1.800, BAYES_00=-2.599, IP_NOT_FRIENDLY=0.334] Received: from mail.ietf.org ([64.170.98.32]) by localhost (core3.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AnQKezlLZGjR for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:27:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.port25.com (mail.port25.com [69.63.149.30]) by core3.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E8223A68DC for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:27:38 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed/relaxed; s=k20040525; d=port25.com; h=From:To:References:In-Reply-To:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; l=1100; i=ftabsharani@port25.com; bh=0xAfQYlReD1lEGFZ+0wxeYF/+b0=; b=iEodHU7p9Ed1cLPLZKpmsKFWHf2SChG7wSqSrzDu3/y8XzVGkNCmh/fG47JuBRtgQhPeHcKJG+fp uV73songWN6Eaan2Q+jqhiAYbuYhUu2k1T1rHD0EuyAg9oCKuALvV7P3Iwj4ncDoFweVrpqWAc2H +2LEaFrx9C7T0tgHWb4= Received: by mail.port25.com (PowerMTA(TM) v4.0a6) id htr3fg0hmngb for ; Thu, 25 Nov 2010 15:28:39 -0500 (envelope-from ) From: "Fred Tabsharani" To: "'J.D. Falk'" , References: <002a01cb8a87$ab0439b0$010cad10$@port25.com> <149A7AA6-87CD-4848-87D4-48EE4C45981A@cybernothing.org> In-Reply-To: <149A7AA6-87CD-4848-87D4-48EE4C45981A@cybernothing.org> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 12:28:15 -0800 Message-ID: <00a701cb8cdf$4a63a0f0$df2ae2d0$@port25.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 thread-index: AQJMM+2wt2AwL+ahoeNxybJobw09igJi27Tckm4/LgA= Content-Language: en-us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 08:18:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [domainrep] ISP Panel in Park City: Email Insider Summit X-BeenThere: domainrep@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9 Precedence: list List-Id: Domain Reputation discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 20:27:39 -0000 J.D., We're working on it. Hopefully in the spring we'll have a DKIM panel and an implementation workshop. -----Original Message----- From: domainrep-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:domainrep-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of J.D. Falk Sent: Thursday, November 25, 2010 10:30 AM To: domainrep@ietf.org Subject: Re: [domainrep] ISP Panel in Park City: Email Insider Summit On Nov 22, 2010, at 12:55 PM, Fred Tabsharani wrote: > Excuse the interruption and late notice, but would anyone like to get some skiing in and be on an ISP panel for the Email Insider Summit in Park City, early next month? We may also partially contribute to Travel and Expenses.. I know it's not your fault, Fred, but I find it insulting that this event is called the Email Insider Summit when it's actually only interested in email marketing. If the event were to expand beyond marketing, you might find actual email insiders in the YAM or SMTP working groups. _______________________________________________ domainrep mailing list domainrep@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/domainrep