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This is not strictly within the scope of the DOTS charter, but
because it's related to DDoS mitigation, we thought it might
be of interest to the DOTS list.

This draft was posted to the SDNRG, and discusses use of OpenFlow
interdomain, for delegating control of ISP network filtering to
customers:

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-eddy-sdnrg-customer-filters/

We're eager to hear your comments, criticisms, and questions, but I
assume that the DOTS chairs would like this to be offlist (or on the
SDNRG list) since it is not really in-scope for DOTS and might be a
distraction from the chartered work.

-- 
Wes Eddy
MTI Systems


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Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf.o=
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Hello dear DOTS colleagues,

during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent 
use cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements 
draft.

Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.

if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to 
the DOTS mailing-list until August 20.

Best regards,
Tobias
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    <font face="Arial">Hello dear DOTS colleagues, </font><br>
    <br>
    during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the
    independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft and
    one requirements draft. <br>
    <br>
    Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two
    drafts. <br>
    <br>
    if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or
    to the DOTS mailing-list until August 20. <br>
    <br>
    Best regards, <br>
    Tobias  <br>
    (co-chair DOTS)<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw
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      <pre wrap="">Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots</a>.

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Hi,

I think Roland was starting on use cases.

I also think Andrews requirements was a good starting point.

I'm happy to edit/co-edit/contribute in whatever way.

Thanks,

-Nik

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On 16 Aug 2015, at 06:28, Tobias Gondrom <tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org<mailto=
:tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org>> wrote:

Hello dear DOTS colleagues,

during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.

Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.

if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.

Best regards,
Tobias
(co-chair DOTS)


On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:

Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf.o=
rg/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.

Regards,
Roman

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<div><br>
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<div>I think Roland was starting on use cases.</div>
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<div>I also think Andrews requirements was a good starting point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I'm happy to edit/co-edit/contribute in whatever way.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>-Nik<br>
<br>
Sent from my iPhone</div>
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Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.=
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Best regards, <br>
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On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Teague, Nik <nteague@verisign.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I think Roland was starting on use cases.
>
> I also think Andrews requirements was a good starting point.
>

Thanks, Nik. I'm still looking for feedback as I prepare the next revision.

In addition to working on the requirements draft, I also volunteer to
contribute as needed to use case development.

andrew



> On 16 Aug 2015, at 06:28, Tobias Gondrom <tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org
> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org');>> wrote:
>
> Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
>
> during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent
> use cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements
> draft.
>
> Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two
> drafts.
>
> if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the
> DOTS mailing-list until August 20.
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
> (co-chair DOTS)
>
>
> On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:
>
> Hello WG!
>
> The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.
>
> Regards,
> Roman
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<br><br>On Sunday, August 16, 2015, Teague, Nik &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:nteag=
ue@verisign.com">nteague@verisign.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><blockquote class=
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<div dir=3D"auto">
<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think Roland was starting on use cases.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also think Andrews requirements was a good starting point.</div><div=
></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Thanks, Nik. I&#39;m still lo=
oking for feedback as I prepare the next revision.</div><div><br></div><div=
>In addition to working on the requirements draft, I also volunteer <span><=
/span>to contribute as needed to use case development.=C2=A0</div><div><br>=
</div><div>andrew</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class=3D"g=
mail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-l=
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On 16 Aug 2015, at 06:28, Tobias Gondrom &lt;<a href=3D"javascript:_e(%7B%7=
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<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<div><font face=3D"Arial">Hello dear DOTS colleagues, </font><br>
<br>
during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.
<br>
<br>
Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.=
 <br>
<br>
if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.
<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Tobias=C2=A0 <br>
(co-chair DOTS)<br>
<br>
<br>
<div>On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:<br>
</div>
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<pre>Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a href=3D"https:/=
/www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots" target=3D"_blank">htt=
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Regards,
Roman

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Correct, I'm working on the use cases.

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Hi,

I am also happy to get involved in the use cases and requirement documents.
I also think Roland has started to work on it. In addition to Andrews
document, I think that those provided by Chris woudl be useful to start
with.

BR,
Daniel

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> Hi,
>
> I think Roland was starting on use cases.
>
> I also think Andrews requirements was a good starting point.
>
> I'm happy to edit/co-edit/contribute in whatever way.
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> Thanks,
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> Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
>
> during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent
> use cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements
> draft.
>
> Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two
> drafts.
>
> if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the
> DOTS mailing-list until August 20.
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
> (co-chair DOTS)
>
>
> On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:
>
> Hello WG!
>
> The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.
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<div>Hi,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I think Roland was starting on use cases.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I also think Andrews requirements was a good starting point.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>I&#39;m happy to edit/co-edit/contribute in whatever way.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Thanks,</div>
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</div>
<div>-Nik<br>
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On 16 Aug 2015, at 06:28, Tobias Gondrom &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tobias.gondr=
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<div><font face=3D"Arial">Hello dear DOTS colleagues, </font><br>
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during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.
<br>
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Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.=
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<br>
if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.
<br>
<br>
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(co-chair DOTS)<br>
<br>
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<div>On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:<br>
</div>
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<pre>Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a href=3D"https:/=
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Hi, Tobias:

This work is valuable and interesting. It would be great if I can join the
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">I am inter=
ested in these valuable works and be willing to contribute to these 2 draft=
s.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">My persona=
l suggestion: maybe we need some interim meetings for negotiating and synch=
ronizing our works.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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=CE=CC=E5;color:windowtext">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span>=
</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=
=CE=CC=E5;color:windowtext"> Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org]
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;color:wi=
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</b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5=
;color:windowtext">Tobias Gondrom<br>
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ndowtext">=B7=A2=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><=
span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5;colo=
r:windowtext"> 2015</span><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=
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</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> dots@ietf.org<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> [Dots] DOTS: next steps - call for editor volunteers for use case draft a=
nd requirements draft<br>
</span><b>=D6=D8=D2=AA=D0=D4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
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style=3D"font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Hello dear D=
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</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>
<br>
during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.
<br>
<br>
Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.=
 <br>
<br>
if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.
<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Tobias&nbsp; <br>
(co-chair DOTS)<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Dan=
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Hello WG!<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.&nbsp=
; Please see <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes=
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o:p></o:p></span></pre>
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<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Roman<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">_______________________________________________<o=
:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US">Dots mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"mailto:Dots@ietf.org">Dots@ietf.org</a=
><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US"><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/=
dots">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre=
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I would also love to be involved in the editing as I have been involved in =
the DDoS space for some time, both as an operator and also in the vendor sp=
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Regards,

Stefan Fouant
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From: Dots <dots-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org>> on behalf =
of Tobias Gondrom <tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org<mailto:tobias.gondrom@gondrom=
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Date: Sunday, August 16, 2015 at 1:27 AM
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rg>>
Subject: [Dots] DOTS: next steps - call for editor volunteers for use case =
draft and requirements draft

Hello dear DOTS colleagues,

during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.

Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.

if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.

Best regards,
Tobias
(co-chair DOTS)


On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:

Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf.o=
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Regards,
Roman

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<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">To: </span>&quot;<a href=3D"mailto:dots@ie=
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etf.org</a>&gt;<br>
<span style=3D"font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>[Dots] DOTS: next steps - =
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<div>
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" text=3D"#000000"><font face=3D"Arial">Hello dear D=
OTS colleagues,
</font><br>
<br>
during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.
<br>
<br>
Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.=
 <br>
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if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
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<pre wrap=3D"">Hello WG!

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t-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minute=
s-93-dots">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots</a>.

Regards,
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Hi,

Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but Abdelkader
and me are willing to contribute to these drafts.

Best regards,
jerome
Inria

Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a écrit :
> Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
>
> during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the
> independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft and one
> requirements draft.
>
> Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two
> drafts.
>
> if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to
> the DOTS mailing-list until August 20.
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias 
> (co-chair DOTS)
>
>
> On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:
>> Hello WG!
>>
>> The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Roman
>>
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      during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the
      independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft and
      one requirements draft. <br>
      <br>
      Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these
      two drafts. <br>
      <br>
      if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or
      to the DOTS mailing-list until August 20. <br>
      <br>
      Best regards, <br>
      Tobias&nbsp; <br>
      (co-chair DOTS)<br>
      <br>
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        <pre wrap="">Hello WG!

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Hello Chairs and WG,


Maybe not directly in relation to this CFV. A question related to the chart=
er:


Since the charter mentioned signalling DDoS related telemetry, is there any=
 WG intention/interest to work on definition and/or problem statement of DD=
oS related telemetry? Our recent study suggests that even though there are =
various (SDN) analytic platforms out there in both research community and i=
ndustry, which are able to infer DDos and other network anomalies, but each=
 use their self-defined telemetry and far from scandalisation. I personally=
 see there is a valid problem and DOTs sounds like an ideal place to addres=
s it.


Any thoughts from Chairs and WG? If there is already WG discussion related =
to this, please fill me in. Much appreciated.


Cheers,

Xiaohong

School of EE & Telecommunications, UNSW



Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a =E9crit :
Hello dear DOTS colleagues,

during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.

Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.

if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.

Best regards,
Tobias
(co-chair DOTS)


On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:

Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf.o=
rg/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.

Regards,
Roman

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<br>
<br>
Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.=
 <br>
<br>
if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.
<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Tobias&nbsp; <br>
(co-chair DOTS)<br>
<br>
<br>
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r>
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<pre wrap=3D"">Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a moz-do-not-send=
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On 27 Aug 2015, at 12:47, Xiaohong Deng wrote:

> Any thoughts from Chairs and WG? If there is already WG discussion 
> related to this, please fill me in. Much appreciated.

I'm not a chair, but this is beyond the remit of this group, IMHO.

Check out IPFIX.

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 telemetry should be included. The associated information model should also=
 be defined in DOTS from my understanding.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Actually, =
we have a draft (draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01) proposing some new IPF=
IX IEs (Information Elements) as DDoS related telemetry. Another
 draft (draft-teague-open-threat-signaling-01) has also proposed some usefu=
l telemetry data for representing DDoS incidents information (events, prote=
cted objects, attack/threats enumeration, etc) using IPFIX format as well.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Any good i=
deas are welcome to bring to DOTS.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">B.R.<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D">Frank<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1F497D"><o:p>&nbsp=
;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=
=CE=CC=E5">=B7=A2=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span =
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5"> Dots [m=
ailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org]
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5">=B4=FA=
=B1=ED </span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-famil=
y:=CB=CE=CC=E5">Xiaohong Deng<br>
</span><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5">=B7=A2=
=CB=CD=CA=B1=BC=E4<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></span></b><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5"> 2015</span><span s=
tyle=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=CB=CE=CC=E5">=C4=EA<span lang=3D"EN-U=
S">8</span>=D4=C2<span lang=3D"EN-US">27</span>=C8=D5<span lang=3D"EN-US">
 10:47<br>
</span><b>=CA=D5=BC=FE=C8=CB<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"=
EN-US"> dots@ietf.org<br>
</span><b>=B3=AD=CB=CD<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> tobias.gondrom@gondrom.org<br>
</span><b>=D6=F7=CC=E2<span lang=3D"EN-US">:</span></b><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
> Re: [Dots] DOTS: next steps - call for editor volunteers for use case dra=
ft and requirements draft<o:p></o:p></span></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"p1" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class=3D"s=
1"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Hello Chairs and WG,</span></span=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p2" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class=3D"s=
1"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Maybe not directly in relation to=
 this CFV. A question related to the charter:</span></span><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class=3D"s=
1"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Since the charter mentioned signa=
lling DDoS related telemetry, is there any WG intention/interest
 to work on definition and/or problem statement of DDoS related telemetry?&=
nbsp;Our recent study suggests that even though there are various (SDN) ana=
lytic platforms out there in both research community and industry, which ar=
e able to infer DDos and other network
 anomalies, but each use their self-defined telemetry and far from scandali=
sation. I personally see there is a valid problem and DOTs sounds like an i=
deal place to address it.</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:blac=
k"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class=3D"s=
1"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Any thoughts from Chairs and WG?&=
nbsp;</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">If
 there is already WG discussion related to this, please fill me in. Much ap=
preciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p4" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-se=
rif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class=3D"s=
1"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Cheers,</span></span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class=3D"s=
1"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Xiaohong</span></span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;s=
ans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"p3" style=3D"margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span class=3D"s=
1"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">School of EE &amp; Telecommunicat=
ions, UNSW</span></span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p></o:p><=
/span></p>
</div>
<div>
<pre style=3D"line-height:13.5pt;vertical-align:baseline"><span lang=3D"EN-=
US" style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:Courier;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</=
o:p></span></pre>
</div>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm =
0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
/o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">Le 16/08/201=
5 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a =A8=A6crit&nbsp;:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" =
style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Arial&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:black">Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-family:&quot;Cal=
ibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>
<br>
during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent us=
e cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draft=
.
<br>
<br>
Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two drafts.=
 <br>
<br>
if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the D=
OTS mailing-list until August 20.
<br>
<br>
Best regards, <br>
Tobias&nbsp; <br>
(co-chair DOTS)<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black">On 16/08/15 =
08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Hello WG!<o:p></o:p></span>=
</pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">The minutes from IETF 93 ha=
ve been uploaded.&nbsp; Please see <a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedi=
ngs/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes=
/minutes-93-dots</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span><=
/pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Roman<o:p></o:p></span></pr=
e>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></span></p=
re>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">___________________________=
____________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Dots mailing list<o:p></o:p=
></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:Dots@ietf=
.org">Dots@ietf.org</a><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dot=
s">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
</blockquote>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.5pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">___________________________=
____________________<o:p></o:p></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black">Dots mailing list<o:p></o:p=
></span></pre>
<pre><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"color:black"><a href=3D"mailto:Dots@ietf=
.org">Dots@ietf.org</a><a href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dot=
s">https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots</a><o:p></o:p></span></pre>
</blockquote>
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family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:black"><o:p>&nbsp;<=
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On 27 Aug 2015, at 13:41, Xialiang (Frank) wrote:

> Actually, we have a draft (draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01) 
> proposing some new IPFIX IEs (Information Elements) as DDoS related 
> telemetry. Another draft (draft-teague-open-threat-signaling-01) has 
> also proposed some useful telemetry data for representing DDoS 
> incidents information (events, protected objects, attack/threats 
> enumeration, etc) using IPFIX format as well.

There is no consensus that this is within the remit of the WG; also, 
insufficient attention has been paid to IPFIX enterprise-specific 
information elements in draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01.  In any 
case, this is beside the point.

There are very good reasons to oppose scope-creep of this group into the 
arena of general telemetry used for the 
detection/classification/traceback of DDoS attacks, and very good 
reasons to maintain its focus on a signaling methodology for requesting 
DDoS mitigation services, which has the beneficial side-effect of making 
the provisioning of said DDoS mitigation services more automated.

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On 27/08/2015 12:54 pm, "Roland Dobbins" <rdobbins@arbor.net> wrote:

>On 27 Aug 2015, at 12:47, Xiaohong Deng wrote:
>
>> Any thoughts from Chairs and WG? If there is already WG discussion
>> related to this, please fill me in. Much appreciated.
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>I'm not a chair, but this is beyond the remit of this group, IMHO.

Thanks for the thoughts. Could you be more specific why you think so?

>
>Check out IPFIX.

That I=B9m aware of. My understanding is that IPFIX provides a mediation
framework.There is still a big gap between framework and security
telemetry people want.
As a matter of fact, industry such as DeepField is now using DNSFlow, BGP,
iBGP, AAA for telemetry. In research community, PerfSonar - world-widely
deployed across domain measurement tool(300 domians covered) are yielding
promising multiple-domain telemetry. Google has its own =B3telemetry=B2 WG
working on Chrome telemetry. But again, there is no common place as far as
I am aware of putting together security/DDos telemetry which are highly
desired by both industry and research community. Please correct me or fill
me in if you have more insights on this.

In my humble understanding, since the fundamental purpose of dots is for
DDoS mitigation, and since DDoS telemetry serves purely for that purpose
and it=B9s already written in the charter. What=B9s the harm of at least
thinking of Problem statement on that aspect?

My 2 cents.


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On 27/08/2015 1:48 pm, "Roland Dobbins" <rdobbins@arbor.net> wrote:

>On 27 Aug 2015, at 13:41, Xialiang (Frank) wrote:
>
>> Actually, we have a draft (draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01)
>> proposing some new IPFIX IEs (Information Elements) as DDoS related
>> telemetry. Another draft (draft-teague-open-threat-signaling-01) has
>> also proposed some useful telemetry data for representing DDoS
>> incidents information (events, protected objects, attack/threats
>> enumeration, etc) using IPFIX format as well.
>
>There is no consensus that this is within the remit of the WG; also,

No consensus YET. That=B9s why we are having this discussion, isn=B9t it? :=
)

>=20
>insufficient attention has been paid to IPFIX enterprise-specific
>information elements in draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01.  In any
>case, this is beside the point.

Insufficient attention at some stage doesn=B9t necessarily mean the work
isn=B9t desired by community nor not good quality enough.I=B9ve seen far mo=
re
valuable works unfortunately being delayed to delivery for various reasons
in WGs or during individual submission process. In any case, I don=B9t see
this as a valid point to object a work. On contrary, IMHO, more attention
should be paid to those who keep raising their hands saying: there are
issues we need to address before it's too late!

>
>There are very good reasons to oppose scope-creep of this group into the

Which are?


>=20
>arena of general telemetry used for the
>detection/classification/traceback of DDoS attacks, and very good
>=20
>reasons to maintain its focus on a signaling methodology for requesting
>DDoS mitigation services, which has the beneficial side-effect of making
>the provisioning of said DDoS mitigation services more automated.

While you keep saying so, we are awaiting for your good reasons. All ears.



-Xiaohong

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On 27 Aug 2015, at 17:01, Xialiang (Frank) wrote:

> which includes the DDoS related telemetry information as its part,

The DDoS telemetry referred to in the WG charter is a starting point for 
DOTS signaling - the telemetry itself is out-of-scope for this WG.  If 
the language needs to be massaged to reflect this, we can do it.

> Moreover, draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01 is trying to propose the 
> new standardized ipfix IEs for network attack detection, rather than 
> the IPFIX enterprise-specific ones.

This is not the appropriate WG for this topic; besides which, many of 
the proposed alterations are questionable, at best.

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>On 27 Aug 2015, at 17:01, Xialiang (Frank) wrote:
>
>> which includes the DDoS related telemetry information as its part,
>
>The DDoS telemetry referred to in the WG charter is a starting point for
>DOTS signaling - the telemetry itself is out-of-scope for this WG.  If
>the language needs to be massaged to reflect this, we can do it.
>
>> Moreover, draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01 is trying to propose the
>> new standardized ipfix IEs for network attack detection, rather than
>> the IPFIX enterprise-specific ones.
>
>This is not the appropriate WG for this topic; besides which, many of
>the proposed alterations are questionable, at best.

According to our charter, I think this document could be a good start-up
of the future work in our group.

=A1=B0The WG will, where appropriate, reuse or extend existing standard
protocols and mechanisms (for example, IPFIX and its associated
templating and extension mechanisms). Any modification of or extension
to existing protocols must be in close coordination with the working
groups responsible for the protocol being modified, and may be done in
this working group after agreement with all the relevant WGs and
responsible Area Directors.=A1=B1

However, I agree that we may need to adjust some contents and make the
draft fit the scope of the group better.
>
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Same situtation here. I'll be happy to contribute to both the use cases 
and requirements.

Cheers

-- Flemming

On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, Jérôme François wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but 
> Abdelkader and me are willing to contribute to these drafts.
>
> Best regards,
> jerome
> Inria
>
> Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a écrit :
>> Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
>>
>> during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the 
>> independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft and 
>> one requirements draft.
>>
>> Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two 
>> drafts.
>>
>> if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to 
>> the DOTS mailing-list until August 20.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Tobias
>> (co-chair DOTS)
>>
>>
>> On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:
>>> Hello WG!
>>>
>>> The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please seehttps://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.
>>>
>>> Regards,
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    Same situtation here. I'll be happy to contribute to both the use
    cases and requirements. <br>
    <br>
    Cheers<br>
    <br>
    -- Flemming <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, Jérôme François
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      Hi,<br>
      <br>
      Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but
      Abdelkader and me are willing to contribute to these drafts.<br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      jerome <br>
      Inria<br>
      <br>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a
        écrit :<br>
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      <blockquote cite="mid:55D01F5E.4070009@gondrom.org" type="cite"> <font
          face="Arial">Hello dear DOTS colleagues, </font><br>
        <br>
        during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the
        independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft
        and one requirements draft. <br>
        <br>
        Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these
        two drafts. <br>
        <br>
        if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman
        or to the DOTS mailing-list until August 20. <br>
        <br>
        Best regards, <br>
        Tobias  <br>
        (co-chair DOTS)<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote
          cite="mid:359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFCD94F1C56@marathon"
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          <pre wrap="">Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots</a>.

Regards,
Roman

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On 8/27/15 3:12 AM, Roland Dobbins wrote:
> On 27 Aug 2015, at 17:01, Xialiang (Frank) wrote:
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>> which includes the DDoS related telemetry information as its part,
>
> The DDoS telemetry referred to in the WG charter is a starting point 
> for DOTS signaling - the telemetry itself is out-of-scope for this WG. 
Can you clarify the distinction you are making here ? The charter 
explicitly talks about DDoS related telemetry and based on previous 
discussions, It was my understanding that we wanted to provide 
information about an ongoing attack to an upstream entity to enable a 
more accurate and rapid response by that upstream entity.

> If the language needs to be massaged to reflect this, we can do it.
>
I don't think we can just change the charter, however we should make 
sure to capture the outcome of this thread as part of the overall 
requirements.

Thanks

-- Flemming

>> Moreover, draft-fu-ipfix-network-security-01 is trying to propose the 
>> new standardized ipfix IEs for network attack detection, rather than 
>> the IPFIX enterprise-specific ones.
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> This is not the appropriate WG for this topic; besides which, many of 
> the proposed alterations are questionable, at best.
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So, what should we do next? Founding design team and organizing weekly
calls?

Dacheng

=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA:  Dots <dots-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Flemming Andreasen
<fandreas@cisco.com>
=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=9F:  2015=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=888:33
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   =20
 Same situtation here. I'll be happy to contribute to both the use cases an=
d
requirements.=20
=20
 Cheers
=20
 -- Flemming=20
=20
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On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois wrote:
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=20
>   Hi,
> =20
>  Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but Abdelkader =
and
> me are willing to contribute to these drafts.
> =20
>  Best regards,
>  jerome=20
>  Inria
> =20
> =20
> Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a =C3=A9crit :
> =20
> =20
>>  Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
>> =20
>>  during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independen=
t use
>> cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements draf=
t.
>> =20
>>  Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two dra=
fts.
>> =20
>>  if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to t=
he
>> DOTS mailing-list until August 20.
>> =20
>>  Best regards,=20
>>  Tobias =20
>>  (co-chair DOTS)
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>> On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:
>> =20
>> =20
>>> =20
>>> Hello WG!
>>>=20
>>> The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see
>>> https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.
>>>=20
>>> Regards,
>>> Roman
>>>=20
>>> _______________________________________________
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unding design team and organizing weekly calls?</div><div><br></div><div>Dac=
heng</div><div><br></div><span id=3D"OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style=3D"font-fa=
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ne; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: </span> Dots=
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 behalf of Flemming Andreasen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:fandreas@cisco.com">fandre=
as@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=9F: </span> 2015=E5=
=B9=B48=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=888:33<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E8=87=B3: </sp=
an> J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jerome.francois@inria.fr">jerome.=
francois@inria.fr</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dots@ietf.org">dots@ietf.org<=
/a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: </span> LAHMADI Abdelkader=
 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Abdelkader.Lahmadi@loria.fr">Abdelkader.Lahmadi@loria.f=
r</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: </span> Re: [Dots] DOTS:=
 next steps - call for editor volunteers for use case draft and requirements=
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    Same situtation here. I'll be happy to contribute to both the use
    cases and requirements. <br>
    <br>
    Cheers<br>
    <br>
    -- Flemming <br>
    <br>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois
      wrote:<br>
    </div>
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      Hi,<br>
      <br>
      Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but
      Abdelkader and me are willing to contribute to these drafts.<br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      jerome <br>
      Inria<br>
      <br>
      <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a
        =C3=A9crit&nbsp;:<br>
      </div>
      <blockquote cite=3D"mid:55D01F5E.4070009@gondrom.org" type=3D"cite"> <fon=
t face=3D"Arial">Hello dear DOTS colleagues, </font><br>
        <br>
        during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the
        independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft
        and one requirements draft. <br>
        <br>
        Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these
        two drafts. <br>
        <br>
        if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman
        or to the DOTS mailing-list until August 20. <br>
        <br>
        Best regards, <br>
        Tobias&nbsp; <br>
        (co-chair DOTS)<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        <blockquote cite=3D"mid:359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFCD94F1C56@mara=
thon" type=3D"cite">
          <pre wrap=3D"">Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a moz-do-not-send=
=3D"true" class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" href=3D"https://www.ietf.org/proceedings=
/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/min=
utes-93-dots</a>.

Regards,
Roman

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I'd be happy to help in any way needed. I'm a researcher who's worked on
DDoS for the last 15 years. I also work in privacy, which will be a concern
for any reports an organization generates about attacks. I'm glad to see
this effort taking off!

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On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Dacheng Zhang <dacheng.zdc@alibaba-inc.com=
>
wrote:

> So, what should we do next? Founding design team and organizing weekly
> calls?
>
> Dacheng
>
> =E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: Dots <dots-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Fl=
emming Andreasen <
> fandreas@cisco.com>
> =E6=97=A5=E6=9C=9F: 2015=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=8827=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=
=E5=9B=9B =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=888:33
> =E8=87=B3: J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois <jerome.francois@inria.fr>, <do=
ts@ietf.org>
> =E6=8A=84=E9=80=81: LAHMADI Abdelkader <Abdelkader.Lahmadi@loria.fr>
> =E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: Re: [Dots] DOTS: next steps - call for editor volunte=
ers for use case
> draft and requirements draft
>
> Same situtation here. I'll be happy to contribute to both the use cases
> and requirements.
>
> Cheers
>
> -- Flemming
>
> On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but Abdelkader
> and me are willing to contribute to these drafts.
>
> Best regards,
> jerome
> Inria
>
> Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a =C3=A9crit :
>
> Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
>
> during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the independent
> use cases and requirements into one use case draft and one requirements
> draft.
>
> Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two
> drafts.
>
> if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or to the
> DOTS mailing-list until August 20.
>
> Best regards,
> Tobias
> (co-chair DOTS)
>
>
> On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:
>
> Hello WG!
>
> The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see https://www.ietf=
.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.
>
> Regards,
> Roman
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">I&#39;d be happy to help in any way needed. I&#39;m a rese=
archer who&#39;s worked on DDoS for the last 15 years. I also work in priva=
cy, which will be a concern for any reports an organization generates about=
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<p>=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
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<p>Jelena Mirkovic<br><span style=3D"font-size:12.6666669845581px">Research=
 Faculty<br></span><span style=3D"font-size:12.6666669845581px">USC Informa=
tion Sciences Institute<br></span><span style=3D"font-size:12.6666669845581=
px">4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 1001<br></span><span style=3D"font-size:12.66=
66669845581px">Marina del Rey, CA 90292<br></span><span style=3D"font-size:=
12.6666669845581px">310-448-9170</span></p></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 31, 2015 at 2:33 AM, Dacheng Zha=
ng <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dacheng.zdc@alibaba-inc.com" tar=
get=3D"_blank">dacheng.zdc@alibaba-inc.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockq=
uote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc =
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
;font-size:14px;font-family:=E5=AE=8B=E4=BD=93,sans-serif"><div>So, what sh=
ould we do next? Founding design team and organizing weekly calls?</div><di=
v><br></div><div>Dacheng</div><div><br></div><span><div style=3D"font-famil=
y:Calibri;font-size:11pt;text-align:left;color:black;BORDER-BOTTOM:medium n=
one;BORDER-LEFT:medium none;PADDING-BOTTOM:0in;PADDING-LEFT:0in;PADDING-RIG=
HT:0in;BORDER-TOP:#b5c4df 1pt solid;BORDER-RIGHT:medium none;PADDING-TOP:3p=
t"><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E5=8F=91=E4=BB=B6=E4=BA=BA: </span> Do=
ts &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org" target=3D"_blank">dots-boun=
ces@ietf.org</a>&gt; on behalf of Flemming Andreasen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
fandreas@cisco.com" target=3D"_blank">fandreas@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br><span s=
tyle=3D"font-weight:bold">=E6=97=A5=E6=9C=9F: </span> 2015=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=
=8827=E6=97=A5 =E6=98=9F=E6=9C=9F=E5=9B=9B =E4=B8=8B=E5=8D=888:33<br><span =
style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E8=87=B3: </span> J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7oi=
s &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jerome.francois@inria.fr" target=3D"_blank">jerome.=
francois@inria.fr</a>&gt;, &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dots@ietf.org" target=3D"_=
blank">dots@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E6=8A=84=
=E9=80=81: </span> LAHMADI Abdelkader &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Abdelkader.Lahm=
adi@loria.fr" target=3D"_blank">Abdelkader.Lahmadi@loria.fr</a>&gt;<span cl=
ass=3D""><br><span style=3D"font-weight:bold">=E4=B8=BB=E9=A2=98: </span> R=
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and requirements draft<br></span></div><div><br></div><div>
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    Same situtation here. I&#39;ll be happy to contribute to both the use
    cases and requirements. <br>
    <br>
    Cheers<br>
    <br>
    -- Flemming <br>
    <br>
    <div>On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, J=C3=A9r=C3=B4me Fran=C3=A7ois
      wrote:<br>
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     =20
      Hi,<br>
      <br>
      Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but
      Abdelkader and me are willing to contribute to these drafts.<br>
      <br>
      Best regards,<br>
      jerome <br>
      Inria<br>
      <br>
      <div>Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a
        =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:<br>
      </div>
      </span><blockquote type=3D"cite"><span class=3D""> <font face=3D"Aria=
l">Hello dear DOTS colleagues, </font><br>
        <br>
        during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the
        independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft
        and one requirements draft. <br>
        <br>
        Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these
        two drafts. <br>
        <br>
        if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman
        or to the DOTS mailing-list until August 20. <br>
        <br>
        Best regards, <br>
        Tobias=C2=A0 <br>
        (co-chair DOTS)<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        <div>On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw
          wrote:<br>
        </div>
        </span><blockquote type=3D"cite">
          <pre><span class=3D"">Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a href=3D"https:/=
/www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots" target=3D"_blank">htt=
ps://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots</a>.

Regards,
Roman

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Dear all,

apologies. Roman and I are currently still going through the (long) list 
of editing volunteers. Which is a great place to be in for our WG. I 
guess, we should be done by tomorrow.

In addition to the editing volunteers, I agree that design teams for the 
two drafts might be useful. Always keep in mind that the editor's duty 
is to capture the input from the WG and write it down. So everyone can 
equally contribute. And a design team to work out the details sounds 
useful.

And please also start thinking about which protocols or protocol 
extensions you might need to fulfil the use cases and requirements as 
you write them up. As that will be the eventual outcome for our WG. The 
moment we get rolling on the use cases and requirements drafts, I would 
actually also like to get started on the protocols or at least some of 
them...

Furthermore, Roman and I have also been thinking about a interim meeting 
by the end of September to accelerate progress further.

Best regards,

Tobias



On 31/08/15 11:33, Dacheng Zhang wrote:
> So, what should we do next? Founding design team and organizing weekly 
> calls?
>
> Dacheng
>
> å�‘ä»¶äºº: Dots <dots-bounces@ietf.org <mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org>> on 
> behalf of Flemming Andreasen <fandreas@cisco.com 
> <mailto:fandreas@cisco.com>>
> æ—¥æœŸ: 2015å¹´8æœˆ27æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå›› ä¸‹å�ˆ8:33
> è‡³: JÃ©rÃ´me FranÃ§ois <jerome.francois@inria.fr 
> <mailto:jerome.francois@inria.fr>>, <dots@ietf.org <mailto:dots@ietf.org>>
> æŠ„é€�: LAHMADI Abdelkader <Abdelkader.Lahmadi@loria.fr 
> <mailto:Abdelkader.Lahmadi@loria.fr>>
> ä¸»é¢˜: Re: [Dots] DOTS: next steps - call for editor volunteers for use 
> case draft and requirements draft
>
> Same situtation here. I'll be happy to contribute to both the use 
> cases and requirements.
>
> Cheers
>
> -- Flemming
>
> On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, JÃ©rÃ´me FranÃ§ois wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s but 
>> Abdelkader and me are willing to contribute to these drafts.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> jerome
>> Inria
>>
>> Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias Gondrom a Ã©crit :
>>> Hello dear DOTS colleagues,
>>>
>>> during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate the 
>>> independent use cases and requirements into one use case draft and 
>>> one requirements draft.
>>>
>>> Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for editing these two 
>>> drafts.
>>>
>>> if you are interested, please send an email to myself and Roman or 
>>> to the DOTS mailing-list until August 20.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Tobias
>>> (co-chair DOTS)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D. Danyliw wrote:
>>>> Hello WG!
>>>>
>>>> The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please seehttps://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Roman
>>>>
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    <font face="Arial">Dear all, <br>
      <br>
      apologies. Roman and I are currently still going through the
      (long) list of editing volunteers. Which is a great place to be in
      for our WG. I guess, we should be done by tomorrow. <br>
      <br>
      In addition to the editing volunteers, I agree that design teams
      for the two drafts might be useful. Always keep in mind that the
      editor's duty is to capture the input from the WG and write it
      down. So everyone can equally contribute. And a design team to
      work out the details sounds useful. <br>
      <br>
      And please also start thinking about which protocols or protocol
      extensions you might need to fulfil the use cases and requirements
      as you write them up. As that will be the eventual outcome for our
      WG. The moment we get rolling on the use cases and requirements
      drafts, I would actually also like to get started on the protocols
      or at least some of them...<br>
      <br>
    </font>Furthermore, Roman and I have also been thinking about a
    interim meeting by the end of September to accelerate progress
    further. <br>
    <br>
    Best regards, <br>
    <br>
    Tobias<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 31/08/15 11:33, Dacheng Zhang wrote:<br>
    </div>
    <blockquote cite="mid:D20A403F.25E7B%25dacheng.zdc@alibaba-inc.com"
      type="cite">
      <div>So, what should we do next? Founding design team and
        organizing weekly calls?</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <div>Dacheng</div>
      <div><br>
      </div>
      <span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION">
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            style="font-weight:bold">å�‘ä»¶äºº: </span> Dots &lt;<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org">dots-bounces@ietf.org</a>&gt;
          on behalf of Flemming Andreasen &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:fandreas@cisco.com">fandreas@cisco.com</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">æ—¥æœŸ: </span> 2015å¹´8æœˆ27æ—¥ æ˜ŸæœŸå››
          ä¸‹å�ˆ8:33<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">è‡³: </span> JÃ©rÃ´me FranÃ§ois
          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:jerome.francois@inria.fr">jerome.francois@inria.fr</a>&gt;,
          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:dots@ietf.org">dots@ietf.org</a>&gt;<br>
          <span style="font-weight:bold">æŠ„é€�: </span> LAHMADI Abdelkader
          &lt;<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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          <span style="font-weight:bold">ä¸»é¢˜: </span> Re: [Dots] DOTS:
          next steps - call for editor volunteers for use case draft and
          requirements draft<br>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Same situtation here.
            I'll be happy to contribute to both the use cases and
            requirements. <br>
            <br>
            Cheers<br>
            <br>
            -- Flemming <br>
            <br>
            <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/26/15 7:36 AM, JÃ©rÃ´me
              FranÃ§ois wrote:<br>
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            <blockquote cite="mid:55DDA4A9.3050603@inria.fr" type="cite">
              <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html;
                charset=UTF-8">
              Hi,<br>
              <br>
              Sorry to reply late, I was offline for the last 2 week,s
              but Abdelkader and me are willing to contribute to these
              drafts.<br>
              <br>
              Best regards,<br>
              jerome <br>
              Inria<br>
              <br>
              <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/08/2015 07:27, Tobias
                Gondrom a Ã©critÂ :<br>
              </div>
              <blockquote cite="mid:55D01F5E.4070009@gondrom.org"
                type="cite"> <font face="Arial">Hello dear DOTS
                  colleagues, </font><br>
                <br>
                during our first meeting we had consensus to consolidate
                the independent use cases and requirements into one use
                case draft and one requirements draft. <br>
                <br>
                Roman and I would like to call for volunteers for
                editing these two drafts. <br>
                <br>
                if you are interested, please send an email to myself
                and Roman or to the DOTS mailing-list until August 20. <br>
                <br>
                Best regards, <br>
                TobiasÂ  <br>
                (co-chair DOTS)<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 16/08/15 08:31, Roman D.
                  Danyliw wrote:<br>
                </div>
                <blockquote
                  cite="mid:359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFCD94F1C56@marathon"
                  type="cite">
                  <pre wrap="">Hello WG!

The minutes from IETF 93 have been uploaded.  Please see <a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots">https://www.ietf.org/proceedings/93/minutes/minutes-93-dots</a>.

Regards,
Roman

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