From nobody Wed May 11 01:27:27 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E78712D511 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 01:27:25 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.216 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.216 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c9J-o1NLu6Dm for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 01:27:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 54DB012D1C8 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 01:27:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg02-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id CJQ77707; Wed, 11 May 2016 08:27:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA418-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.36) by lhreml703-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.104) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Wed, 11 May 2016 09:27:16 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA502-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.36]) by SZXEMA418-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.36]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Wed, 11 May 2016 16:27:09 +0800 From: "Xialiang (Frank)" To: Andrew Mortensen , Robert Moskowitz , "Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)" Thread-Topic: Hi, some comments to DOTS requirements draft: Thread-Index: AdGrXuf1w+vuVmiOSjSckzMJsciMJg== Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 08:27:08 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.43.91] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12AF2FE92SZXEMA502MBSchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020203.5732ECE6.001F, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.36, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 9b90905c19673114f6e06ad9a2bd044c Archived-At: Cc: "dots@ietf.org" Subject: [Dots] Hi, some comments to DOTS requirements draft: X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 08:27:25 -0000 --_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12AF2FE92SZXEMA502MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi authors, By reviewing this draft recently, I have the following new comments: 1. Inter-domain coordinated DDoS protection is the important part of = the whole DOTS solution, but it seems that current DOTS requirements draft = does not include enough contents about this part. Especially in the followi= ng sections: 1) In Section 1.1: it only mentions the problem of missing the standa= rd interface between clients and ddos protection providers (C2P scenario), = totally misses describing the same problem for the providers to providers (= P2P) scenario. Correspondingly, this section only emphasis the benefits of = real-time response for the C2P scenario, do not mention other benefits of r= esource/capabilities sharing, worldwide optimized mitigation and near sourc= e mitigation for the P2P scenario. Please include this kind of contents in = later version, and you can reference to other 2 DOTS drafts about inter-dom= ain DOTS use cases and mechanisms; 2) In Section 1.2: For clarity, I suggest to add a new terminology to= specify what is the domain in ODTS scope. A domain can be a network domain= , a SMB network, a DDoS protection provider network, etc; 2. In Section 1.2, some modification should be made to the terminolog= ies for DOTS client, DOTS server, Client signal and Server signal, as follo= wing: 1) DOTS client: "..., as well as exchanging and updating other inform= ation with DOTS server or relay, such as mitigation scope, mitigation effic= acy and mitigation status."; 2) DOTS server: "..., as well as exchanging and updating other inform= ation with DOTS client or relay, such as mitigation scope, mitigation effic= acy and mitigation status."; 3) Client signal: "... Other signals include the messages for updatin= g information with DOTS server or relay, such as mitigation scope and mitig= ation efficacy."; 4) Server signal: "... The other server signal is mitigation terminat= ion notification ." 3. A series of requirements for the DOTS relay are still missed in cu= rrent draft. We need to consider how to incorporate them; 4. In Section 2.3, suggest to add the requirement description for the= DOTS client's registration and registration cancelling messages, DOTS serv= er's registration response and registration cancelling response message, wh= ich are conveyed over the data channel. Thanks! B.R. Frank --_000_C02846B1344F344EB4FAA6FA7AF481F12AF2FE92SZXEMA502MBSchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi authors,

By reviewing this draft recentl= y, I have the following new comments:

1= .   &= nbsp;   Inter-domain coordinate= d DDoS protection is the important part of the whole DOTS solution, but it = seems that current DOTS requirements draft does not include enough contents= about this part. Especially in the following sections:

1= )   &= nbsp;   In Section 1.1: it only= mentions the problem of missing the standard interface between clients and= ddos protection providers (C2P scenario), totally misses describing the sa= me problem for the providers to providers (P2P) scenario. Correspondingly, this section only emphasis the benefits o= f real-time response for the C2P scenario, do not mention other benefits of= resource/capabilities sharing, worldwide optimized mitigation and near sou= rce mitigation for the P2P scenario. Please include this kind of contents in later version, and you can referen= ce to other 2 DOTS drafts about inter-domain DOTS use cases and mechanisms;=

2= )   &= nbsp;   In Section 1.2: For cla= rity, I suggest to add a new terminology to specify what is the domain in O= DTS scope. A domain can be a network domain, a SMB network, a DDoS protecti= on provider network, etc;

2= .   &= nbsp;   In Section 1.2, some mo= dification should be made to the terminologies for DOTS client, DOTS server= , Client signal and Server signal, as following:

1= )   &= nbsp;   DOTS client: “= ..., as well as exchanging and updating other information with DOTS server = or relay, such as mitigation scope, mitigation efficacy and mitigation stat= us.”;

2= )   &= nbsp;   DOTS server: “= ..., as well as exchanging and updating other information with DOTS client = or relay, such as mitigation scope, mitigation efficacy and mitigation stat= us.”;

3= )   &= nbsp;   Client signal: “<= i>... Other signals include the messages for updating information with DOTS= server or relay, such as mitigation scope and mitigation efficacy.R= 21;;

4= )   &= nbsp;   Server signal: “<= i>... The other server signal is mitigation termination notification .&= #8221;

3= .   &= nbsp;   A series of requirement= s for the DOTS relay are still missed in current draft. We need to consider= how to incorporate them;

4= .   &= nbsp;   In Section 2.3, suggest= to add the requirement description for the DOTS client’s registratio= n and registration cancelling messages, DOTS server’s registration re= sponse and registration cancelling response message, which are conveyed over the data channel.

 

Thanks!

 

B.R.

Frank

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Concur 100% - we'll take a stab at it. ----------------------------------- Roland Dobbins From nobody Wed May 11 05:26:12 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 593D012DA80 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 05:26:11 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=arbor.net Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SH_La2os0xNA for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-io0-x229.google.com (mail-io0-x229.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c06::229]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4465C12D67E for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: by mail-io0-x229.google.com with SMTP id f89so51574061ioi.0 for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 05:26:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=arbor.net; s=m0; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc; bh=jJMLmpW4WnnlZ0ckz8eDpyT3L26qqHTuL7nPPV9//uk=; b=e5jUL5GcuUFpmUP1eVquARghb1ASQlPuMzaBxsde5SS0+XHYxR7suWZo+1qGMtENOU 5rzzwWMFkSB3i+EHYDAlmQkZ9G9eMdKOADs+YoQsCEICyMhqKjCPuBazOZyx6EuRSD0t rC4DRodvy6lRp+gBZDgjC0K/noNrme7AiZQXQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc; bh=jJMLmpW4WnnlZ0ckz8eDpyT3L26qqHTuL7nPPV9//uk=; b=UM3Wd8Q6byCIRj3KUetEHufSfnz0R2sYRaMwRLv9wtXzMxufIA91NJKGiqTSOT14tR 7C/eY4LMlTDV6U0NIzTOym2cyG2UmJPSFoc1NNuRxmwRTFGEY4DTnm1Ykn8UUM7GCmld kDTNbTb/lAyX8Df315QJ51o1kkbBD9SmoFaPRXNJB73ZfK1QCIxP2oTbYIodLkp1LgFx hth8wj4FFxaMQu3rTj02Xq9uA/F/ZqJteGBwbBAtH3NddjL9cA3VMFtlJO9Q1v9/Y8JH C6QIbIILS3q9bGJhqZxMVP9fs3zu7TSVCJu9MPwf2UQiM3X99alIWQcTcCtqWrJl7mRm b9mQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOPr4FUZW7/VDw6sw5UeMnu+G4tV2hIXZjVnz577rPTJ2rsWOs7lBvJcHvwPSu3scW3qBNV4JfrTx+lSsCC3zXMJ MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.36.217.10 with SMTP id p10mr4199477itg.23.1462969567553; Wed, 11 May 2016 05:26:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.107.193 with HTTP; Wed, 11 May 2016 05:26:07 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 08:26:07 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Mortensen, Andrew" To: "Xialiang (Frank)" Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1149a47e645e3f05329025f0 Archived-At: Cc: "dots@ietf.org" , "Tirumaleswar Reddy \(tireddy\)" , Robert Moskowitz Subject: Re: [Dots] Hi, some comments to DOTS requirements draft: X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 12:26:11 -0000 --001a1149a47e645e3f05329025f0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Thanks! See my quick comment below. On Wednesday, May 11, 2016, Xialiang (Frank) wrote: > Hi authors, > > By reviewing this draft recently, I have the following new comments: > > 3. A series of requirements for the DOTS relay are still missed in > current draft. We need to consider how to incorporate them; > > During the meeting I heard a call to get rid of DOTS relays, given the operational complexity. Relayed signaling would remain a concept, but would look more or less like what's currently called Recursive signaling in the architecture draft. (I recall you pointing out that the Mitigator wouldn't have to be the element recursing the signal in that case, and the DOTS server could do it instead.) andrew --001a1149a47e645e3f05329025f0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks! See my quick comment below.

On Wednesday, May 1= 1, 2016, Xialiang (Frank) <= frank.xialiang@huawei.com> wrote:

Hi authors,

By reviewing this draft recentl= y, I have the following new comments:

3.=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 A series of requirements for the = DOTS relay are still missed in current draft. We need to consider how to in= corporate them;

<= /blockquote>

During the meeting I heard a call to get ri= d of DOTS relays, given the operational complexity. Relayed signaling would= remain a concept, but would look more or less like what's currently=C2= =A0called Recursive signaling=C2=A0in the architecture draft. (I=C2=A0recal= l you pointing out that the Mitigator wouldn't have to be the element r= ecursing the signal in that case, and the DOTS server could do it instead.)=

andrew
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Essentially, a server and client grafted back-to-back. So, we'll have a relay function, but it won't be a distinct node type for crypto/auth purposes. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 13:45:07 -0000 > On May 11, 2016, at 8:31 AM, Roland Dobbins = wrote: >=20 > On 11 May 2016, at 19:26, Mortensen, Andrew wrote: >=20 >> Relayed signaling would remain a concept, but would >> look more or less like what's currently called Recursive signaling in = the >> architecture draft. >=20 > Essentially, a server and client grafted back-to-back. So, we'll have = a relay function, but it won't be a distinct node type for crypto/auth = purposes. >=20 > I believe that's what Frank was alluding to - that we need to spell = this out. Agreed.= From nobody Wed May 11 18:54:26 2016 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEF4512D17F for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 18:54:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.217 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.217 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=-0.01, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=-0.01, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.996, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AuTNpBTJjF4C for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 18:54:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from lhrrgout.huawei.com (lhrrgout.huawei.com [194.213.3.17]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0C67F12B02B for ; Wed, 11 May 2016 18:54:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 172.18.7.190 (EHLO lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com) ([172.18.7.190]) by lhrrg01-dlp.huawei.com (MOS 4.3.7-GA FastPath queued) with ESMTP id COM44404; Thu, 12 May 2016 01:54:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from SZXEMA419-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.82.72.37) by lhreml708-cah.china.huawei.com (10.201.5.202) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.235.1; Thu, 12 May 2016 02:54:16 +0100 Received: from SZXEMA502-MBS.china.huawei.com ([169.254.4.36]) by SZXEMA419-HUB.china.huawei.com ([10.82.72.37]) with mapi id 14.03.0235.001; Thu, 12 May 2016 09:54:10 +0800 From: "Xialiang (Frank)" To: "Teague, Nik" , Andrew Mortensen , Robert Moskowitz , "Tirumaleswar Reddy (tireddy)" Thread-Topic: [Dots] Hi, some comments to DOTS requirements draft: Thread-Index: AQHRq3Wvx6tbNLNr0EujY+sz2rzPc5+0hscg Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 01:54:10 +0000 Message-ID: References: <4D4A509F-9299-4609-912A-B9A6FC9532F4@verisign.com> In-Reply-To: <4D4A509F-9299-4609-912A-B9A6FC9532F4@verisign.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.135.43.91] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected X-Mirapoint-Virus-RAPID-Raw: score=unknown(0), refid=str=0001.0A020202.5733E24C.0082, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0, ip=169.254.4.36, so=2013-06-18 04:22:30, dmn=2013-03-21 17:37:32 X-Mirapoint-Loop-Id: 162bd604dbc2a277e8f151bd12f2d8e3 Archived-At: Cc: "dots@ietf.org" Subject: [Dots] =?utf-8?b?562U5aSNOiAgSGksIHNvbWUgY29tbWVudHMgdG8gRE9UUyBy?= =?utf-8?q?equirements_draft=3A?= X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:38:30 -0000 A new meeting session request has just been submitted by Roman Danyliw, a Chair of the dots working group. --------------------------------------------------------- Working Group Name: DDoS Open Threat Signaling Area Name: Security Area Session Requester: Roman Danyliw Number of Sessions: 1 Length of Session(s): 2 Hours Number of Attendees: 100 Conflicts to Avoid: First Priority: mile sacm i2nsf saag Second Priority: opsawg opsarea Special Requests: ---------------------------------------------------------