From nobody Sun Dec 2 22:47:15 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E7E112D4EA for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:47:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ucxgpL_vyH_s for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 019CF128D68 for ; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:47:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.70]) by opfednr20.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 437bC216CLz1yZl; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:47:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.57]) by opfednr06.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 437bC202z4zDq75; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:47:10 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM23.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::787e:db0c:23c4:71b3%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:47:09 +0100 From: To: "Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy" , "Roman Danyliw" , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 Thread-Index: AdSGnlgla3cLRB5MRLWQWFaJSQftBABEEW3wAAZceYAAB9nNYAAEkILwAB+EMpAACKXk4AACgplwAAhHgoAAg12NMA== Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 06:47:09 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E050B73@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C49169@marathon> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E04F649@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E04F981@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E04FF7F@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E050207@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 06:47:14 -0000 Hi Tiru,=20 I updated the file to take into account your feedback: Xml: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft-iet= f-dots-architecture-09.xml =20 Diff: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/wdiff%20= draft-ietf-dots-architecture-09.txt%20draft-ietf-dots-architecture-09.pdf=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Konda, Tirumales= war > Reddy > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 30 novembre 2018 17:14 > =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 >=20 > Hi Med, >=20 > I don't fully agree with some of the updates. I propose the following > changes: >=20 > [1] Replace " A DOTS session can be a DOTS data channel session or a DOTS > signal channel session" with "A DOTS session can be a DOTS data channel > session or a DOTS signal channel session or both." > [2] I thought we agreed to say the following: > A DOTS signal channel session is associated with a single transport > connection (TCP or UDP session) and an ephemeral security association (e.= g. a > TLS or DTLS session). Similarly, a DOTS data channel session is associat= ed > with a single TCP connection and an ephemeral TLS security association. > [3] Direct and recursive signaling is applicable to both DOTS signal and = data > channel sessions, replace "DOTS signal channel session" with "DOTS sessio= n". > [4] In Section 3.1.2, replace "session" with "DOTS session" > [5] Remove the following line: > "These sessions may belong to the same or distinct DOTS channels (signal = or > data). >=20 > Cheers, > -Tiru >=20 > > -----Original Message----- > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > Sent: Friday, November 30, 2018 5:40 PM > > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy ; > > Roman Danyliw ; dots@ietf.org > > Subject: RE: WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 > > > > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click li= nks > or > > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content i= s > safe. > > > > Re-, > > > > OK. Thanks. > > > > FWIW, I also made on my side some changes that I'd like to see made to = fix > the > > issues we discussed so far: > > > > Xml: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft= - > ietf- > > dots-architecture-09.xml > > Diff: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts- > > Reviews/blob/master/wdiff%20draft-ietf-dots-architecture-09.txt%20draft= - > ietf- > > dots-architecture-09.pdf > > > > Feel free to reuse the modified version. > > > > (Removing parts that were agreed and focusing on the last pending one) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > DOTS data channel draft is not using the term "DOTS data > > > > > > > channel session", we can fix the signal channel draft to use > > > > > > > "DOTS data channel" instead of "DOTS data channel session". > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Med] May be. BTW, this part of the text: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Conversely, a > > > > > > DOTS session cannot exist without an established signal chan= nel > " > > > > > > > > > > > > is conflicting with this one: > > > > > > > > > > > > " > > > > > > To allow for DOTS > > > > > > service flexibility, neither the order of contact nor the ti= me > > > > > > interval between channel creations is specified. A DOTS cli= ent > MAY > > > > > > establish signal channel first, and then data channel, or > > > > > > vice > > > versa." > > > > > > > > [Med] This one is still pending. > > > > > > The above line looks clear to me, what is the confusion ? > > > > > > > [Med] The problem is not with the last line with this one: > > > > "DOTS session cannot exist without an established signal channel" > > > > Which means that dots signal channel session is a pre-requisite for DOT= S > data > > channel. This is conflict with the other excerpt I cited. > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Sun Dec 2 22:51:17 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 386A3128D68; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:51:16 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VKsafC6jb3P5; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta134.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.34]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 51E531276D0; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:51:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr03.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.67]) by opfednr21.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 437bHh3YSGz5wSY; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:51:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.75]) by opfednr03.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 437bHh2pfMzDq7F; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:51:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILMA4.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::65de:2f08:41e6:ebbe%18]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:51:12 +0100 From: To: Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" CC: "draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery Thread-Index: AdSI+mzom/yrMKu/SJm1ohZrl+sYtAB2gzKA Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 06:51:11 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E050BAE@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52F1B@marathon> In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52F1B@marathon> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 06:51:16 -0000 Hi all,=20 I support this draft, obviously.=20 FWIW, I don't have any IPR related to this I-D. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roman Danyliw > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 30 novembre 2018 23:22 > =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-server-discove= ry >=20 > Hello! >=20 > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of the > document: >=20 > draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-05 >=20 > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 and I= ETF > 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. Discussion of > adoption of this draft was previously deferred pending submission of the > signal draft for publication (which occurred in September 2018). >=20 > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read th= e > draft. >=20 > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this docum= ent > should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end on Decemb= er > 14 2018. >=20 > Regards, > Roman and Frank >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Sun Dec 2 22:52:50 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E40DA128D68; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:52:47 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BVjVtw9lT5N9; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:52:45 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta135.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.35]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A73421276D0; Sun, 2 Dec 2018 22:52:42 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.68]) by opfednr23.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 437bKN5HDSz5wTB; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:52:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.34]) by opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 437bKN4J1Lz1xpC; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:52:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM6F.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::bd00:88f8:8552:3349%17]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 07:52:40 +0100 From: To: Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" CC: "draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming Thread-Index: AdSI+VrxTDsjU4gnQ26nDTSSOWTM0wB2zsuA Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2018 06:52:39 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E050BC5@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52FEF@marathon> In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52FEF@marathon> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2018 06:52:48 -0000 Re-, I support this draft. FWIW, I don't have any IPR related to this I-D. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roman Danyliw > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 30 novembre 2018 23:31 > =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming >=20 > Hello! >=20 > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of the > document: >=20 > draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04 >=20 > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 and I= ETF > 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. This document wa= s > created and deferred in the interest of simplifying the requirements and > architecture drafts now getting ready for publication. >=20 > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read th= e > draft. >=20 > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this docum= ent > should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end on Decemb= er > 14 2018. >=20 > Regards, > Roman and Frank >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Mon Dec 3 03:18:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7736130E19 for ; Mon, 3 Dec 2018 03:18:09 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.761 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.761 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=mcafee.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSxXv3Txa-UZ for ; 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4 Dec 2018 13:21:53 +0100 From: To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 Thread-Index: AdSGnlgla3cLRB5MRLWQWFaJSQftBABEEW3wAQbnFCA= Date: Tue, 4 Dec 2018 12:21:52 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E051A39@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C49169@marathon> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E04F649@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E04F649@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 04 Dec 2018 12:21:57 -0000 Re-, FWIW, a version which integrates my initial comments including the conclusi= on of the discussion in this thread is available at:=20 Xml: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/draft-iet= f-dots-architecture-09.xml =20 Diff: https://github.com/boucadair/IETF-Drafts-Reviews/blob/master/wdiff%20= draft-ietf-dots-architecture-09.txt%20draft-ietf-dots-architecture-09.pdf This version fixes also some "stale" text such as references to "Operationa= l Requirements" that are not anymore listed as such in draft-ietf-dots-requ= irements.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de > mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Envoy=E9=A0: jeudi 29 novembre 2018 09:31 > =C0=A0: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 >=20 > Hi Roman, all, >=20 > I support this draft to be sent to the IESG for publication. >=20 > Some easy-to-fix comment, though: >=20 > (1) The document cites [I-D.ietf-dots-requirements] in may occurrences. I > suggest these citations to be more specific, that is to point the specifi= c > REQ# or the section. Doing so would help readers not familiar with DOTS > documents to easily link the various pieces. >=20 > (2) I used to point people to the DOTS architecture I-D when I receive > comments/questions about the notion of "DOTS session" and to the Requirem= ents > I-D for clarification about DOTS channels. It seems that some clarificati= ons > are needed in the architecture I-D to explain for readers not familiar wi= th > all DOTS documents, for example: > - the link with the underlying transport sessions/connections and securit= y > associations. > - mitigations are not bound to a DOTS session but to a DOTS client/domain= . >=20 > (3) The signal channel I-D uses "DOTS signal channel session", "DOTS sign= al > channel sessions" and "DOTS data channel session" to refer to specific DO= TS > sessions. I'd like to have these terms introduced also in the arch I-D. >=20 > BTW, the signal channel uses in few occurrences "DOTS session"; those can= be > changed to "DOTS signal channel session". There is no occurrence of "DOTS > session" in the data channel I-D. >=20 > Thank you. >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roman Danyliw > > Envoy=E9=A0: mardi 27 novembre 2018 23:15 > > =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org > > Objet=A0: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 > > > > Hello! > > > > Consistent with our discussion at the Bangkok meeting, we are starting = a > > working group last call (WGLC) for the DOTS architecture draft: > > > > DOTS Architecture > > draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-architecture-08 > > > > Please send comments to the DOTS mailing list -- feedback on remaining > issues > > or needed changes; as well as endorsements that this draft is ready. > > > > This WGLC will end on December 12, 2018. > > > > Thanks, > > Roman and Frank > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dots mailing list > > Dots@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Tue Dec 4 05:46:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F222E130DD5 for ; 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ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF41C130DCC; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 01:04:09 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.1 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dots@ietf.org Message-ID: <154400064982.31865.8056704051602258240@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 01:04:09 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:04:10 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Distributed-Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Architecture Authors : Andrew Mortensen Flemming Andreasen Tirumaleswar Reddy Nik Teague Rich Compton Christopher Gray Filename : draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10.txt Pages : 33 Date : 2018-12-05 Abstract: This document describes an architecture for establishing and maintaining Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) within and between domains. The document does not specify protocols or protocol extensions, instead focusing on defining architectural relationships, components and concepts used in a DOTS deployment. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-architecture/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:08:30 -0000 This revision addresses comments from Med. -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots On Behalf Of internet-drafts@ietf.org > Sent: Wednesday, December 5, 2018 2:34 PM > To: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10.txt >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts direct= ories. > This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IET= F. >=20 > Title : Distributed-Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signa= ling (DOTS) > Architecture > Authors : Andrew Mortensen > Flemming Andreasen > Tirumaleswar Reddy > Nik Teague > Rich Compton > Christopher Gray > Filename : draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10.txt > Pages : 33 > Date : 2018-12-05 >=20 > Abstract: > This document describes an architecture for establishing and > maintaining Distributed Denial of Service (DDoS) Open Threat > Signaling (DOTS) within and between domains. The document does not > specify protocols or protocol extensions, instead focusing on > defining architectural relationships, components and concepts used in > a DOTS deployment. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-architecture/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-architecture-10 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dots-architecture-10 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Wed Dec 5 01:41:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E6D701276D0 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 01:41:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.901 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.901 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XCuQ9Hs2Gipr for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 01:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.jpshallow.com (mail.jpshallow.com [217.40.240.153]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6B6C11286E7 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 01:41:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=N01332) by mail.jpshallow.com with esmtp (Exim 4.91) (envelope-from ) id 1gUTg0-0000U7-0p; Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:41:04 +0000 From: "Jon Shallow" To: , "'Roman Danyliw'" , References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52FEF@marathon> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E050BC5@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> In-Reply-To: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E050BC5@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 09:41:03 -0000 Message-ID: <05f601d48c7e$a50fa1a0$ef2ee4e0$@jpshallow.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQDebrujFrO9EYLWb4+fu0sqHcDfLQIy4aK+p0gqvvA= Content-Language: en-gb Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:41:09 -0000 Hi Med To help the reader with the first reference to PI/PA s/Provider-Independent (PI) vs. Provider-Aggregatable (PA)/ Provider-Independent (PI) vs. Provider-Aggregatable (PA) IP addresses/ A typo s/getaway/gateway/ Not clear s/ DOTS clients, these later MUST contact all DOTS gateways/DOTS = clients, these MUST contact all DOTS gateways/ Otherwise, it makes sense to me. Regards Jon -----Original Message----- From: Dots [mailto: dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of mohamed.boucadair@orange.com Sent: 03 December 2018 06:53 To: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org Cc: draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on = draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming Re-, I support this draft. FWIW, I don't have any IPR related to this I-D. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roman Danyliw > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 30 novembre 2018 23:31 > =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming >=20 > Hello! >=20 > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of = the > document: >=20 > draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04 >=20 > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 = and IETF > 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. This document = was > created and deferred in the interest of simplifying the requirements = and > architecture drafts now getting ready for publication. >=20 > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read = the > draft. >=20 > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this document > should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end on December > 14 2018. >=20 > Regards, > Roman and Frank >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots _______________________________________________ Dots mailing list Dots@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Wed Dec 5 02:37:18 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70E62130DF9 for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:37:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QTIbN28Qck3u for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta241.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.41]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 82A7A130DDF for ; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 02:37:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar01.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.2]) by opfedar26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 438wCY3k1yzFqKx; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:37:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.42]) by opfedar01.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 438wCY2l4PzBrLT; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:37:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM41.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::c845:f762:8997:ec86%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 5 Dec 2018 11:37:13 +0100 From: To: Jon Shallow , 'Roman Danyliw' , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming Thread-Index: AQDebrujFrO9EYLWb4+fu0sqHcDfLQIy4aK+p0gqvvCAAm1h0A== Date: Wed, 5 Dec 2018 10:37:13 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E0523ED@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52FEF@marathon> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E050BC5@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <05f601d48c7e$a50fa1a0$ef2ee4e0$@jpshallow.com> In-Reply-To: <05f601d48c7e$a50fa1a0$ef2ee4e0$@jpshallow.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 05 Dec 2018 10:37:18 -0000 Hi Jon, Tank you.=20 I implemented all your proposed changes in my local copy.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Jon Shallow [mailto:supjps-ietf@jpshallow.com] > Envoy=E9=A0: mercredi 5 d=E9cembre 2018 10:41 > =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; 'Roman Danyliw'; dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: RE: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihomin= g >=20 > Hi Med >=20 > To help the reader with the first reference to PI/PA >=20 > s/Provider-Independent (PI) vs. Provider-Aggregatable (PA)/ > Provider-Independent (PI) vs. Provider-Aggregatable (PA) IP addresses/ >=20 > A typo >=20 > s/getaway/gateway/ >=20 > Not clear >=20 > s/ DOTS clients, these later MUST contact all DOTS gateways/DOTS clients, > these MUST contact all DOTS gateways/ >=20 > Otherwise, it makes sense to me. >=20 > Regards >=20 > Jon >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto: dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of > mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > Sent: 03 December 2018 06:53 > To: Roman Danyliw; dots@ietf.org > Cc: draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming >=20 > Re-, >=20 > I support this draft. >=20 > FWIW, I don't have any IPR related to this I-D. >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Roman Danyliw > > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 30 novembre 2018 23:31 > > =C0=A0: dots@ietf.org > > Objet=A0: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > > > > Hello! > > > > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of th= e > > document: > > > > draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04 > > > > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 and > IETF > > 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. This document = was > > created and deferred in the interest of simplifying the requirements an= d > > architecture drafts now getting ready for publication. > > > > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read = the > > draft. > > > > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this > document > > should be adopted as a WG document. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 07:08:07 -0000 I support adoption of this draft. I am not aware of any IPR associated with= this spec. -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:01 AM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming >=20 > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click link= s or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is = safe. >=20 > Hello! >=20 > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of the > document: >=20 > draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04 >=20 > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 and I= ETF > 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. This document wa= s > created and deferred in the interest of simplifying the requirements and > architecture drafts now getting ready for publication. >=20 > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read th= e > draft. >=20 > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this docum= ent > should be adopted as a WG document. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 06 Dec 2018 14:21:27 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi > Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:15 PM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons why= we > want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS >=20 > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click link= s or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is = safe. >=20 > Hi Tiru, Flemming, >=20 > Thank you for asking question for my draft "draft-h-dots-mitigation-offlo= ad- > expansion-00" in IETF103. >=20 > I'm sorry I'm late for answering the question. > These questions are similar so I will answer the question in this one thr= ead. > > Q: (Tiru Reddy) Why the DMS must use DOTS to talk to the orchestrator? > > Q: (Flemming Andreasen) Is it worthwhile to standardize the communicati= on > between the DMS with the orchestrator? > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/minutes-103-dots-00 >=20 > We want to use various and latest DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase becau= se > DDoS attacks evolve day by day. >=20 > However, syslog format varies from DMS to DMS. > There is no standardized IF or API between DMS and Orchestrator, so we ha= ve > to develop IF module on orchestrator for adapting the DMS to the orchestr= ator. > I think it is obstacle to use various DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase. >=20 > We are paying attention to DOTS, which is being debated the most as a > standard for signaling related to DDoS. The list of top attackers could be huge, DOTS signal channel is supposed to= have small message sizes. DOTS data channel can be used to managing filters. Why not use DOTS data ch= annel to block the traffic from the top N attackers to the target ? Cheers, -Tiru >=20 > Thanks, > Yuhei >=20 > ----------------------------------------- > Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation > Network Service Systems Laboratories > Transport Service Platform Innovation Project > Transport Service Systems Development Project > Yuhei Hayashi > 0422-59-3485 > hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Fri Dec 7 07:58:35 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09680130E0A for ; Fri, 7 Dec 2018 07:58:34 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.001 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 07 Dec 2018 15:58:34 -0000 I support adoption of this draft. Thanks, -Nik > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Dots On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw > > Sent: Saturday, December 1, 2018 4:01 AM > > To: dots@ietf.org > > Subject: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > > > > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > > Hello! > > > > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of > > the > > document: > > > > draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04 > > > > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 > > and IETF 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 11:57:54 -0000 Hi Tiru, Thank you for advising! I will consider to use not only expanded signal channel but also data channel to the intra-domain DDoS offload usecase. I'm considering to add "inter-domain" DDoS offload usecase to my draft. I will also consider which channel,expanded signal channel or data channel, is suitable to send attacker information under attack situation. Thanks, Yuhei On 2018/12/06 23:20, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:15 PM >> To: dots@ietf.org >> Subject: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons why we >> want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS >> >> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or >> open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. >> >> Hi Tiru, Flemming, >> >> Thank you for asking question for my draft "draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload- >> expansion-00" in IETF103. >> >> I'm sorry I'm late for answering the question. >> These questions are similar so I will answer the question in this one thread. >>> Q: (Tiru Reddy) Why the DMS must use DOTS to talk to the orchestrator? >>> Q: (Flemming Andreasen) Is it worthwhile to standardize the communication >> between the DMS with the orchestrator? >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/minutes-103-dots-00 >> >> We want to use various and latest DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase because >> DDoS attacks evolve day by day. >> >> However, syslog format varies from DMS to DMS. >> There is no standardized IF or API between DMS and Orchestrator, so we have >> to develop IF module on orchestrator for adapting the DMS to the orchestrator. >> I think it is obstacle to use various DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase. >> >> We are paying attention to DOTS, which is being debated the most as a >> standard for signaling related to DDoS. > > The list of top attackers could be huge, DOTS signal channel is supposed to have small message sizes. > DOTS data channel can be used to managing filters. Why not use DOTS data channel to block the traffic from the top N attackers to the target ? > > Cheers, > -Tiru > >> >> Thanks, >> Yuhei >> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation >> Network Service Systems Laboratories >> Transport Service Platform Innovation Project >> Transport Service Systems Development Project >> Yuhei Hayashi >> 0422-59-3485 >> hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dots mailing list >> Dots@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > ----------------------------------------- Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation Network Service Systems Laboratories Transport Service Platform Innovation Project Transport Service Systems Development Project Yuhei Hayashi 0422-59-3485 hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp From nobody Mon Dec 10 04:59:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93B56130EC0 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2018 12:59:12 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 5:27 PM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons= why > we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS >=20 > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click link= s or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is = safe. >=20 > Hi Tiru, >=20 > Thank you for advising! > I will consider to use not only expanded signal channel but also data cha= nnel to > the intra-domain DDoS offload usecase. If the DOTS data channel is capable of doing the job, Why do you see the ne= ed to extend the signal channel protocol ?=20 >=20 > I'm considering to add "inter-domain" DDoS offload usecase to my draft. >From a protocol perspective, do you see any differences b/w "intra-domain" = and "inter-domain" DDoS offload use cases ? > I will also consider which channel,expanded signal channel or data channe= l, is > suitable to send attacker information under attack situation. The new use cases is interesting to signal the attacker information when th= e mitigation is in progress, and the link b/w the DMS and Orchestrator won'= t be congested, so DOTS data channel can be used to convey the drop-listed filtering rules. Cheers, -Tiru >=20 > Thanks, > Yuhei >=20 > On 2018/12/06 23:20, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi > >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:15 PM > >> To: dots@ietf.org > >> Subject: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons > >> why we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS > >> > >> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > >> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > >> > >> Hi Tiru, Flemming, > >> > >> Thank you for asking question for my draft > >> "draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload- expansion-00" in IETF103. > >> > >> I'm sorry I'm late for answering the question. > >> These questions are similar so I will answer the question in this one = thread. > >>> Q: (Tiru Reddy) Why the DMS must use DOTS to talk to the orchestrator= ? > >>> Q: (Flemming Andreasen) Is it worthwhile to standardize the > >>> communication > >> between the DMS with the orchestrator? > >> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/minutes-103-dots-0 > >> 0 > >> > >> We want to use various and latest DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase > >> because DDoS attacks evolve day by day. > >> > >> However, syslog format varies from DMS to DMS. > >> There is no standardized IF or API between DMS and Orchestrator, so > >> we have to develop IF module on orchestrator for adapting the DMS to t= he > orchestrator. > >> I think it is obstacle to use various DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecas= e. > >> > >> We are paying attention to DOTS, which is being debated the most as a > >> standard for signaling related to DDoS. > > > > The list of top attackers could be huge, DOTS signal channel is suppose= d to > have small message sizes. > > DOTS data channel can be used to managing filters. Why not use DOTS dat= a > channel to block the traffic from the top N attackers to the target ? > > > > Cheers, > > -Tiru > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Yuhei > >> > >> ----------------------------------------- > >> Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation > >> Network Service Systems Laboratories > >> Transport Service Platform Innovation Project > >> Transport Service Systems Development Project > >> Yuhei Hayashi > >> 0422-59-3485 > >> hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dots mailing list > >> Dots@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > > ----------------------------------------- > Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation > Network Service Systems Laboratories > Transport Service Platform Innovation Project > Transport Service Systems Development Project > Yuhei Hayashi > 0422-59-3485 > hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Tue Dec 11 18:18:42 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id ACAF0130F70 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:18:40 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.999 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rUN03uXQ_AGj for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail-pf1-x434.google.com (mail-pf1-x434.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::434]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id A43C9129C6B for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: by mail-pf1-x434.google.com with SMTP id i12so8068277pfo.7 for ; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:18:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=CJg9tGZjIcxAdP7YUUQuVSss/T2nvBzIwIQ2mgSZSfk=; b=CVmlTW5CLCYhETA3Wc8VNraO2k2U39ppmPGmEBjcfPKSfmuAhg6KdnZKp0e//J54w3 ey3b1dvgECDAYTvyvm8qa5bfBRCL3UnfS38VRhM3APUe64/qOahtHaSCPy/7PNaxWq5q j3HtpDB0USSJCnD/lfG15BD21JG17Y/js4aJzPQokmI4vHtUefib4I4KUjj0v+68EdJ8 iNFWwdxALvpWr6utjQHvqxhfCnBpEx6R3UsgbMYP01Yykc856+LqhWc43XuMnku/22be g/5j/J1VvcCPeeH6Kl9VfRr9yPMJ22I+CPksV64DpyfekaTepTF68G2s4c2I8nhU32AI yDVw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :content-transfer-encoding:message-id:references:to; bh=CJg9tGZjIcxAdP7YUUQuVSss/T2nvBzIwIQ2mgSZSfk=; b=Y3Vz0SyR9+abELmz7TTan5xlBliulu4O1At/fxOXfmqtfijfxF0sb99KEpO3CR72W3 007wDHkDio39PzKBlT2WW+d/3h7QnpiLN9Ab6LLsfhFFuV0BsUWjzd6kEEUiWyRfhhCH EJoPYmSPJjzGuBo1vyC0oLyE2/cSgJfng6fSn+MvJcSti1Za6T8uY9EvUro0Q3j+iBvm ijJp1usAWskFV9uZ25117zimZvRWGd2t2tGtFSDknJj/81xTyAsYsWIW1AYlzYIVpn3Q ZRxCIpfh1s9o7s99GAQ34SIIDsw/tksF0swoYqjTZrmEMnlzWzBRyYMFFoSQfYEfECsq nFhw== X-Gm-Message-State: AA+aEWYOfs9TCtrYJcyAtqUDvADqcwUezC+0gcZmC+TOxEZrNdMX0lvy Gxa8vRALPsGHv+gas8gicvg= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AFSGD/W7ii6/gx4E195aIw6CLfl9hz4FrgGn8IdoTEmTelg11E4Mkmbtd9/17JbfMn0vdamDK1wJdg== X-Received: by 2002:a63:3d03:: with SMTP id k3mr16796968pga.191.1544581117072; Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:18:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from [192.168.86.180] ([75.111.77.103]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s21sm28582532pfk.133.2018.12.11.18.18.36 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:18:36 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52FEF@marathon> Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:18:35 -0800 Cc: "dots@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <1D848059-CA5C-4EBD-A815-0206907E645B@gmail.com> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52FEF@marathon> To: Roman Danyliw X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 02:18:41 -0000 I support adoption - multihoming is important. I sent some nits to the = authors. -d > On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:31 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: >=20 > Hello! >=20 > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of = the document: >=20 > draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04 >=20 > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 = and IETF 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. This = document was created and deferred in the interest of simplifying the = requirements and architecture drafts now getting ready for publication. >=20 > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read = the draft. >=20 > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this = document should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end = on December 14 2018. >=20 > Regards, > Roman and Frank >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Wed Dec 12 02:12:33 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69FC412777C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 02:12:31 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SRK3w-X-BExD for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 02:12:28 -0800 (PST) Received: from tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp (tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.39.148]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46C0812F18C for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 02:12:27 -0800 (PST) Received: from vc2.ecl.ntt.co.jp (vc2.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.86.154]) by tama500.ecl.ntt.co.jp (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id wBCACR9V003091 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:12:27 +0900 Received: from vc2.ecl.ntt.co.jp (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by vc2.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74AAE638D99 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from jcms-pop21.ecl.ntt.co.jp (jcms-pop21.ecl.ntt.co.jp [129.60.87.134]) by vc2.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69766638D91 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:12:27 +0900 (JST) Received: from [IPv6:::1] (unknown [129.60.13.46]) by jcms-pop21.ecl.ntt.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 65347400A71 for ; Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:12:27 +0900 (JST) References: <60792ae9-9e70-bfda-cd2c-a1112c7dbb29@lab.ntt.co.jp> <71e1c3d0-16a2-c7d2-3ed8-aa4ab303e9f3@lab.ntt.co.jp> From: Yuhei Hayashi Message-ID: <5c0baa90-1cc2-2fb2-5542-29f37ce9bf32@lab.ntt.co.jp> Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 19:11:13 +0900 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-CC-Mail-RelayStamp: 1 To: "dots@ietf.org" X-TM-AS-MML: disable Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons why we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:12:31 -0000 Hi Tiru, >> If the DOTS data channel is capable of doing the job, Why do you see the need to extend the signal channel protocol ? Through this discussion, I get the feeling that it's not necessary to expand signal channel if the data channel can do the job about intra-domain DDoS offload usecase. I will check whether the data channel can do the job or not through test of the usecase. >>>From a protocol perspective, do you see any differences b/w "intra-domain" and "inter-domain" DDoS offload use cases ? >> The new use cases is interesting to signal the attacker information when the mitigation is in progress, and the link b/w the DMS and Orchestrator won't be congested, so DOTS data channel can be used >> to convey the drop-listed filtering rules. So far, I consider inter-domain DDoS offload usecase like as below. - Downstream NW has in-line DMS and upstream NW has Orchestrator. - When downstream NW is attacked and the DMS is saturated, the downstream NW sends offload request with target and attacker information to the Orchestrator in upstream NW via link b/w the downstream NW and the upstream NW. - In upstream NW, orchestrator orders routers to block the attack traffic using the target and attacker information. Based on IETF 103 hackathon report, all of the data-channel communications fail in attack-time. So I think DOTS data channel can't be used to convey attacker information about the usecase. https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-dots-interop-report-from-ietf-103-hackathon-00 Thanks, Yuhei On 2018/12/10 21:58, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi >> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 5:27 PM >> To: dots@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons why >> we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS >> >> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or >> open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. >> >> Hi Tiru, >> >> Thank you for advising! >> I will consider to use not only expanded signal channel but also data channel to >> the intra-domain DDoS offload usecase. > > If the DOTS data channel is capable of doing the job, Why do you see the need to extend the signal channel protocol ? > >> >> I'm considering to add "inter-domain" DDoS offload usecase to my draft. > >>From a protocol perspective, do you see any differences b/w "intra-domain" and "inter-domain" DDoS offload use cases ? > >> I will also consider which channel,expanded signal channel or data channel, is >> suitable to send attacker information under attack situation. > > The new use cases is interesting to signal the attacker information when the mitigation is in progress, and the link b/w the DMS and Orchestrator won't be congested, so DOTS data channel can be used > to convey the drop-listed filtering rules. > > Cheers, > -Tiru > >> >> Thanks, >> Yuhei >> >> On 2018/12/06 23:20, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:15 PM >>>> To: dots@ietf.org >>>> Subject: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons >>>> why we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS >>>> >>>> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click >>>> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the >> content is safe. >>>> >>>> Hi Tiru, Flemming, >>>> >>>> Thank you for asking question for my draft >>>> "draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload- expansion-00" in IETF103. >>>> >>>> I'm sorry I'm late for answering the question. >>>> These questions are similar so I will answer the question in this one thread. >>>>> Q: (Tiru Reddy) Why the DMS must use DOTS to talk to the orchestrator? >>>>> Q: (Flemming Andreasen) Is it worthwhile to standardize the >>>>> communication >>>> between the DMS with the orchestrator? >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/minutes-103-dots-0 >>>> 0 >>>> >>>> We want to use various and latest DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase >>>> because DDoS attacks evolve day by day. >>>> >>>> However, syslog format varies from DMS to DMS. >>>> There is no standardized IF or API between DMS and Orchestrator, so >>>> we have to develop IF module on orchestrator for adapting the DMS to the >> orchestrator. >>>> I think it is obstacle to use various DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase. >>>> >>>> We are paying attention to DOTS, which is being debated the most as a >>>> standard for signaling related to DDoS. >>> >>> The list of top attackers could be huge, DOTS signal channel is supposed to >> have small message sizes. >>> DOTS data channel can be used to managing filters. Why not use DOTS data >> channel to block the traffic from the top N attackers to the target ? >>> >>> Cheers, >>> -Tiru >>> >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Yuhei >>>> >>>> ----------------------------------------- >>>> Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation >>>> Network Service Systems Laboratories >>>> Transport Service Platform Innovation Project >>>> Transport Service Systems Development Project >>>> Yuhei Hayashi >>>> 0422-59-3485 >>>> hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Dots mailing list >>>> Dots@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >>> >> ----------------------------------------- >> Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation >> Network Service Systems Laboratories >> Transport Service Platform Innovation Project >> Transport Service Systems Development Project >> Yuhei Hayashi >> 0422-59-3485 >> hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dots mailing list >> Dots@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > ----------------------------------------- Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation Network Service Systems Laboratories Transport Service Platform Innovation Project Transport Service Systems Development Project Yuhei Hayashi 0422-59-3485 hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp From nobody Wed Dec 12 02:39:13 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7A0B130DC6 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2018 10:39:12 -0000 > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi > Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2018 3:41 PM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: Reasons= why > we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using DOTS >=20 > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click link= s or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is = safe. >=20 > Hi Tiru, >=20 > >> If the DOTS data channel is capable of doing the job, Why do you see t= he > need to extend the signal channel protocol ? > Through this discussion, I get the feeling that it's not necessary to exp= and signal > channel if the data channel can do the job about intra-domain DDoS offloa= d > usecase. > I will check whether the data channel can do the job or not through test = of the > usecase. >=20 > >>>From a protocol perspective, do you see any differences b/w "intra-dom= ain" > and "inter-domain" DDoS offload use cases ? > >> The new use cases is interesting to signal the attacker information > >> when the mitigation is in progress, and the link b/w the DMS and > Orchestrator won't be congested, so DOTS data channel can be used to conv= ey > the drop-listed filtering rules. >=20 > So far, I consider inter-domain DDoS offload usecase like as below. > - Downstream NW has in-line DMS and upstream NW has Orchestrator. > - When downstream NW is attacked and the DMS is saturated, the downstream > NW sends offload request with target and attacker information to the > Orchestrator in upstream NW via link b/w the downstream NW and the > upstream NW. > - In upstream NW, orchestrator orders routers to block the attack traffic= using > the target and attacker information. >=20 > Based on IETF 103 hackathon report, all of the data-channel communication= s > fail in attack-time. > So I think DOTS data channel can't be used to convey attacker information > about the usecase. > https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/slides-103-dots-intero= p- > report-from-ietf-103-hackathon-00=20 Yes, but in your case the link b/w DMS and Orchestrator should not be conge= sted, the offload request should be sent before a configured threshold is h= it. Cheers, -Tiru >=20 > Thanks, > Yuhei >=20 > On 2018/12/10 21:58, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi > >> Sent: Monday, December 10, 2018 5:27 PM > >> To: dots@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: > >> Reasons why we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator using > >> DOTS > >> > >> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > >> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > >> > >> Hi Tiru, > >> > >> Thank you for advising! > >> I will consider to use not only expanded signal channel but also data > >> channel to the intra-domain DDoS offload usecase. > > > > If the DOTS data channel is capable of doing the job, Why do you see th= e > need to extend the signal channel protocol ? > > > >> > >> I'm considering to add "inter-domain" DDoS offload usecase to my draft= . > > > >>From a protocol perspective, do you see any differences b/w "intra-doma= in" > and "inter-domain" DDoS offload use cases ? > > > >> I will also consider which channel,expanded signal channel or data > >> channel, is suitable to send attacker information under attack situati= on. > > > > The new use cases is interesting to signal the attacker information > > when the mitigation is in progress, and the link b/w the DMS and > Orchestrator won't be congested, so DOTS data channel can be used to conv= ey > the drop-listed filtering rules. > > > > Cheers, > > -Tiru > > > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Yuhei > >> > >> On 2018/12/06 23:20, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > >>>> -----Original Message----- > >>>> From: Dots On Behalf Of Yuhei Hayashi > >>>> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2018 2:15 PM > >>>> To: dots@ietf.org > >>>> Subject: [Dots] draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload-expansion-00: > >>>> Reasons why we want to standardize between DMS and orchestrator > >>>> using DOTS > >>>> > >>>> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > >>>> click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and > >>>> know the > >> content is safe. > >>>> > >>>> Hi Tiru, Flemming, > >>>> > >>>> Thank you for asking question for my draft > >>>> "draft-h-dots-mitigation-offload- expansion-00" in IETF103. > >>>> > >>>> I'm sorry I'm late for answering the question. > >>>> These questions are similar so I will answer the question in this on= e > thread. > >>>>> Q: (Tiru Reddy) Why the DMS must use DOTS to talk to the orchestrat= or? > >>>>> Q: (Flemming Andreasen) Is it worthwhile to standardize the > >>>>> communication > >>>> between the DMS with the orchestrator? > >>>> https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/103/materials/minutes-103-dots > >>>> -0 > >>>> 0 > >>>> > >>>> We want to use various and latest DMS in DDoS Orchestration usecase > >>>> because DDoS attacks evolve day by day. > >>>> > >>>> However, syslog format varies from DMS to DMS. > >>>> There is no standardized IF or API between DMS and Orchestrator, so > >>>> we have to develop IF module on orchestrator for adapting the DMS > >>>> to the > >> orchestrator. > >>>> I think it is obstacle to use various DMS in DDoS Orchestration usec= ase. > >>>> > >>>> We are paying attention to DOTS, which is being debated the most as > >>>> a standard for signaling related to DDoS. > >>> > >>> The list of top attackers could be huge, DOTS signal channel is > >>> supposed to > >> have small message sizes. > >>> DOTS data channel can be used to managing filters. Why not use DOTS > >>> data > >> channel to block the traffic from the top N attackers to the target ? > >>> > >>> Cheers, > >>> -Tiru > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Yuhei > >>>> > >>>> ----------------------------------------- > >>>> Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation > >>>> Network Service Systems Laboratories > >>>> Transport Service Platform Innovation Project > >>>> Transport Service Systems Development Project > >>>> Yuhei Hayashi > >>>> 0422-59-3485 > >>>> hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Dots mailing list > >>>> Dots@ietf.org > >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >>> > >> ----------------------------------------- > >> Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation > >> Network Service Systems Laboratories > >> Transport Service Platform Innovation Project > >> Transport Service Systems Development Project > >> Yuhei Hayashi > >> 0422-59-3485 > >> hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dots mailing list > >> Dots@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Dots mailing list > > Dots@ietf.org > > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > > > ----------------------------------------- > Nippon Telegraph and Telephone Corporation > Network Service Systems Laboratories > Transport Service Platform Innovation Project > Transport Service Systems Development Project > Yuhei Hayashi > 0422-59-3485 > hayashi.yuhei@lab.ntt.co.jp >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Wed Dec 12 19:22:53 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8276A128CF2 for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 03:22:51 -0000 I support adoption of this draft. =20 However, I would really encourage the working group to analyze if all 4 = discovery methods are really necessary. 4 mechanisms causes a = bifurcation of products. It complicates the features of a DOTS gateway, = and raises questions such as "is quality implementation of a DOTS = gateway expected to interoperate amongst the 4 DOTS discovery = mechanisms." Such interoperation becomes necessary when, say, some = devices won't support DHCPv6 (Android) but an ISP only supports DHCPv4 & = DHCPv6 DOTS discovery, for example. There are other examples of = incompatible discovery and how a vendor or an open-source DOTS gateway = might try to overcome such issues with a Discovery Interoperability = Feature ... -d > On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: >=20 > Hello! >=20 > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of = the document: >=20 > draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-05 >=20 > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 = and IETF 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. = Discussion of adoption of this draft was previously deferred pending = submission of the signal draft for publication (which occurred in = September 2018). >=20 > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read = the draft. >=20 > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this = document should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end = on December 14 2018. >=20 > Regards, > Roman and Frank >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Thu Dec 13 01:42:16 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DCAD124BE5 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 01:42:14 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.461 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.461 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-1.46, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=mcafee.com Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id we4eLKyrVd3c for ; 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 09:42:14 -0000 Hi Dan, Good point. DHCP to learn the DOTS sever information does not look suitable= , the DHCP client will not have a secure trusted relationship with the DHCP= server to learn the DOTS server information (see the challenges we faced i= n DNS over TLS https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8310#section-7.3.1 for using = DHCP). For auto discovery the DOTS client can try mDNS or anycast or both to reach= the DOTS gateway, and the DOTS gateway can try both DNS-SD or anycast or b= oth to reach the DOTS server in the ISP network. Cheers, -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots On Behalf Of Dan Wing > Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:53 AM > To: Roman Danyliw > Cc: dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-server-disc= overy >=20 > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click link= s or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. >=20 > I support adoption of this draft. >=20 > However, I would really encourage the working group to analyze if all 4 > discovery methods are really necessary. 4 mechanisms causes a bifurcatio= n > of products. It complicates the features of a DOTS gateway, and raises > questions such as "is quality implementation of a DOTS gateway expected t= o > interoperate amongst the 4 DOTS discovery mechanisms." Such > interoperation becomes necessary when, say, some devices won't support > DHCPv6 (Android) but an ISP only supports DHCPv4 & DHCPv6 DOTS > discovery, for example. There are other examples of incompatible discove= ry > and how a vendor or an open-source DOTS gateway might try to overcome > such issues with a Discovery Interoperability Feature ... >=20 > -d >=20 >=20 > > On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: > > > > Hello! > > > > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of th= e > document: > > > > draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-05 > > > > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 and > IETF 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. Discussion > of adoption of this draft was previously deferred pending submission of t= he > signal draft for publication (which occurred in September 2018). > > > > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read > the draft. > > > > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this doc= ument > should be adopted as a WG document. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 17:28:04 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_8351A9DB-991E-45D9-AD26-568E053B1220 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Modified text in 1.2 now says: Unlike classic DOTS deployments [I-D.ietf-dots-use-cases], such DOTS server maintains a single DOTS signal channel session with an upstream DOTS client, if the CPE is single-homed. The phrase "if the CPE is single-homed" caught me off-guard, because = you're not saying how multi-homed is handled or providing guidance to = implementations for how to learn how to handle multi-homing. Perhaps = change from "if CPE is single-homed" to "for each upstream provisioning = domain"? Maybe you want to cite the multi-homing document = informationally, but could be useful. =20 The new text in 3.2.1 starts with " "When a Carrier Grade NAT (CGN) is located between the DOTS client and = DOTS server," what is the mechanism for the DOTS client and server to determine there = is a Carrier Grade NAT between them, such that the rest of the = requirements in the paragraph have to be followed; that is, is there a = DOTS mechanism like ICE messages to determine address rewriting = occurred? Do the requirements in that paragraph apply only to CGN, as = it reads -- it seems the requirements are the same as the paragraph = slightly below which mentions "NAT on CPE", but the phrasing is = different so I can't tell if implementation is supposed to be exactly = same. How does a CGN get differentiated from a non-"Carrier Grade" NAT = between the elements, from things as simple as an accidentally-installed = NAT to things as complex as a laptop tethered to a NAT44 and 464xlat = cellular phone and NAT64 in the carrier, where we might imagine DOTS in = the laptop or the cellphone; I think the ISP-operated NAT64 qualifies as = CGN (does it?), but I need half hour of sketching to understand the = situation here. More succinctly: can the requirements for NAT be = simplified and explained why the requirements are necessary for = interoperation, rather than saying "if CGN, then do ___", and "if NAT = integrated into CPE do ___"? In Privacy Considerations, new text says "Concretely, the protocol does = not leak any new information that can be used to ease surveillance", but = the new text in 3.2.1 says the internal IP address and port number (of = the victim) are communicated to the DOTS server. This is new = information disclosed by DOTS. -d > On Nov 21, 2018, at 11:54 PM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote: >=20 > Hi Dan,=20 >=20 > Enjoy your stay in Morocco! >=20 > Looking forward to receiving your review.=20 >=20 > Cheers, > Med >=20 >> -----Message d'origine----- >> De : Dan Wing [mailto:danwing@gmail.com] >> Envoy=C3=A9 : jeudi 22 novembre 2018 08:20 >> =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN >> Cc : Roman Danyliw; Xialiang (Frank, Network Integration Technology = Research >> Dept); Panwei (William) (william.panwei@huawei.com); dots@ietf.org >> Objet : Re: [Dots] TR: New Version Notification for = draft-reddy-dots-home- >> network-02.txt >>=20 >> Currently I am in Morocco. Still useful to review next week? >>=20 >>=20 >> -d >>=20 >>> On Nov 13, 2018, at 3:37 PM, >> wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hi Roman, Franck, Wei, >>>=20 >>> FYI, we released an updated version of the draft which integrates = the >> comments you raised. The main changes are as follows: >>>=20 >>> * Add a new privacy considerations section as suggested by Roman. >>> * Add a discussion on issues/fixes when an address sharing function = is >> present between the DOTS client and server (Wei) >>> * Add some text to clarify that the DOTS server on the CPE is simple >> compared to the one on the provider side. Only a single DOTS session = will be >> maintained (Franck). >>> * Further highlight that the solution is suitable for blocking = attacks near >> the sources (I failed to get the name of the gentleman who raised = this issue >> in the meeting). >>> * Add some text to clarify that DOTS servers do not blindly accept = requests >> and that the solution does not aim to track or censor users (the = comment was >> made by same gentleman as above). >>>=20 >>> Please let us know if the new text addresses your concern. >>>=20 >>> As usual, comments, suggestions, and questions are more than = welcome. >>>=20 >>> Cheers, >>> Med >>>=20 >>>> -----Message d'origine----- >>>> De : internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org] >>>> Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 13 novembre 2018 15:28 >>>> =C3=80 : Tirumaleswar Reddy; Joshi Harsha; Jon Shallow; Reddy K; = BOUCADAIR >> Mohamed >>>> TGI/OLN >>>> Objet : New Version Notification for = draft-reddy-dots-home-network-02.txt >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> A new version of I-D, draft-reddy-dots-home-network-02.txt >>>> has been successfully submitted by Mohamed Boucadair and posted to = the >>>> IETF repository. >>>>=20 >>>> Name: draft-reddy-dots-home-network >>>> Revision: 02 >>>> Title: Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal >>>> Channel Call Home >>>> Document date: 2018-11-12 >>>> Group: Individual Submission >>>> Pages: 17 >>>> URL: = https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reddy-dots- >> home- >>>> network-02.txt >>>> Status: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-dots-home- >>>> network/ >>>> Htmlized: = https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reddy-dots-home-network- >> 02 >>>> Htmlized: = https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots- >> home- >>>> network >>>> Diff: = https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-reddy-dots-home- >>>> network-02 >>>>=20 >>>> Abstract: >>>> This document presents DOTS signal channel Call Home service, = which >>>> enables a DOTS server to initiate a secure connection to a DOTS >>>> client, and to receive the attack traffic information from the = DOTS >>>> client. The DOTS server in turn uses the attack traffic = information >>>> to identify the compromised devices launching the outgoing DDOS >>>> attack and takes appropriate mitigation action. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of >> submission >>>> until the htmlized version and diff are available at = tools.ietf.org. >>>>=20 >>>> The IETF Secretariat >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dots mailing list >>> Dots@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots --Apple-Mail=_8351A9DB-991E-45D9-AD26-568E053B1220 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="text/html"; boundary="Apple-Mail=_E87F07A5-59E0-485C-8E7E-1815B97C0BE2" --Apple-Mail=_E87F07A5-59E0-485C-8E7E-1815B97C0BE2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Modified text in 1.2 now = says:

  =  Unlike classic DOTS deployments
  =  [I-D.ietf-dots-use-cases], such DOTS server maintains a single = DOTS
   signal channel session with an = upstream DOTS client, if the CPE is
  =  single-homed.

The phrase "if the CPE is single-homed" caught me off-guard, = because you're not saying how multi-homed is handled or providing = guidance to implementations for how to learn how to handle multi-homing. =  Perhaps change from "if CPE is single-homed" to "for each upstream = provisioning domain"?  Maybe you want to cite the multi-homing = document informationally, but could be useful.  

The new text in 3.2.1 = starts with "

  "When a Carrier Grade NAT = (CGN) is located between the DOTS client and DOTS server,"

what is the mechanism = for the DOTS client and server to determine there is a Carrier Grade NAT = between them, such that the rest of the requirements in the paragraph = have to be followed; that is, is there a DOTS mechanism like ICE = messages to determine address rewriting occurred?  Do the = requirements in that paragraph apply only to CGN, as it reads -- it = seems the requirements are the same as the paragraph slightly below = which mentions "NAT on CPE", but the phrasing is different so I can't = tell if implementation is supposed to be exactly same.  How does a = CGN get differentiated from a non-"Carrier Grade" NAT between the = elements, from things as simple as an accidentally-installed NAT to = things as complex as a laptop tethered to a NAT44 and 464xlat cellular = phone and NAT64 in the carrier, where we might imagine DOTS in the = laptop or the cellphone; I think the ISP-operated NAT64 qualifies as CGN = (does it?), but I need half hour of sketching to understand the = situation here.  More succinctly:  can the requirements for = NAT be simplified and explained why the requirements are necessary for = interoperation, rather than saying "if CGN, then do ___", and "if NAT = integrated into CPE do ___"?

In Privacy Considerations, new text = says "Concretely, the protocol does not leak any new information that = can be used to ease surveillance", but the new text in 3.2.1 says = the internal IP address and port number (of the victim) are communicated = to the DOTS server.  This is new information disclosed by = DOTS.


-d




On Nov 21, 2018, at 11:54 PM, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:

Hi Dan, 

Enjoy your stay in = Morocco!

Looking forward to receiving your = review. 

Cheers,
Med

-----Message d'origine-----
De : Dan Wing [mailto:danwing@gmail.com]
Envoy=C3=A9 : = jeudi 22 novembre 2018 08:20
=C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed = TGI/OLN
Cc : Roman Danyliw; Xialiang (Frank, Network = Integration Technology Research
Dept); Panwei (William) = (william.panwei@huawei.com); dots@ietf.org
Objet : Re: [Dots] TR: New Version Notification for = draft-reddy-dots-home-
network-02.txt

Currently I am in Morocco. Still useful to review next = week?


-d

On Nov 13, 2018, at 3:37 = PM, <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote:

Hi Roman, = Franck, Wei,

FYI, we released an updated = version of the draft which integrates the
comments you raised. The main changes are as = follows:

* Add a new privacy considerations section as suggested by = Roman.
* Add a discussion on issues/fixes when an address = sharing function is
present between the DOTS = client and server (Wei)
* Add some text to clarify that the DOTS server on the CPE is = simple
compared to the one on the provider = side. Only a single DOTS session will be
maintained = (Franck).
* Further = highlight that the solution is suitable for blocking attacks near
the sources (I failed to get the name of the = gentleman who raised this issue
in the meeting).
* Add some text to = clarify that DOTS servers do not blindly accept requests
and that the solution does not aim to track or = censor users (the comment was
made by same gentleman as = above).

Please let us know if the new text addresses your concern.

As usual, comments, suggestions, and questions = are more than welcome.

Cheers,
Med

-----Message d'origine-----
De : internet-drafts@ietf.org [mailto:internet-drafts@ietf.org]
Envoy=C3=A9 = : mardi 13 novembre 2018 15:28
=C3=80 : Tirumaleswar = Reddy; Joshi Harsha; Jon Shallow; Reddy K; BOUCADAIR
Mohamed
TGI/OLN
Objet : New Version Notification for = draft-reddy-dots-home-network-02.txt


A new version of I-D, draft-reddy-dots-home-network-02.txt
has been successfully submitted by Mohamed Boucadair and = posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:       =  draft-reddy-dots-home-network
Revision:   =  02
Title:       =  Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal
Channel Call Home
Document date:   =  2018-11-12
Group:       =  Individual Submission
Pages:       =  17
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reddy-dots-
home-
network-02.txt
Status:       =   https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-dots-home-network/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reddy-dots-home-network-<= br class=3D"">
02
Htmlized: =       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-
home-
network
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-reddy-dots-home-<= br class=3D"">network-02

Abstract:
 This document presents DOTS signal channel Call Home = service, which
 enables a DOTS server to initiate a = secure connection to a DOTS
 client, and to receive = the attack traffic information from the DOTS
 client. =  The DOTS server in turn uses the attack traffic information
 to identify the compromised devices launching the = outgoing DDOS
 attack and takes appropriate = mitigation action.




Please note that it may take a couple of = minutes from the time of
submission
until the = htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF Secretariat

_______________________________________________
Dots mailing list
Dots@ietf.org
https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots

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smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o66sm8387653pgo.75.2018.12.13.11.24.29 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:24:29 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.2 \(3445.102.3\)) From: Dan Wing In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 11:24:28 -0800 Cc: Roman Danyliw , "dots@ietf.org" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <7467FE4F-2C66-49D9-8EFE-367E93F7A5C9@gmail.com> References: <359EC4B99E040048A7131E0F4E113AFC0184C52F1B@marathon> <6C0138CB-2B3C-4A9D-A013-2232879A72AD@gmail.com> To: "Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.102.3) Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2018 19:24:35 -0000 On Dec 13, 2018, at 1:41 AM, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy = wrote: > Hi Dan, >=20 > Good point. DHCP to learn the DOTS sever information does not look = suitable, the DHCP client will not have a secure trusted relationship = with the DHCP server to learn the DOTS server information (see the = challenges we faced in DNS over TLS = https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8310#section-7.3.1 for using DHCP). DHCP is not solely inadequate because of the insecurity of DHCP, because = other DOTS server discovery techniques suffer the same problem that a = bogus DOTS server might be used by the DOTS client; the specification = mentions that risk for the gratuitous multicasted DNS for mDNS, but the = same issue exists with anycast. Of all of them, N-SAPTR is most robust, = but still suffers from the problem of how one might select or configure = the domain name; if via DHCP (rather than user-configured or = user-confirmed), we're back to trusting DHCP. I would step back and see = how we want to solve authentication overall for reliable and trustable = time servers (NTP or TLS date/time or Google's Roughtime = (https://roughtime.googlesource.com/roughtime). Specific example, if I = can authenticate the anycast DOTS server, but I can't authenticate or = can't authorize with one of the higher-priority Discovery servers (e.g., = NAPTR) the client should continue using the anycast server. The document could be improved by separating how to find servers = (currently 4 techniques) from how those are authenticated and what = happens when authentication expires (e.g., server certificate has = expired), and if existing server should be abandoned if a = higher-priority Server Discovery happens to learn of a new server. Are = implementations expected to re-run their server discovery all the time, = or only when a connection dies or only when server certificate expires, = or .. never? This stuff is partially discussed in Security = Considerations, and maybe expanding that would be sufficient, but it = seems the overall model needs to be discussed earlier -- that model = being that the client is (somehow) given a trust anchor prior to joining = a network and prior to trying to authenticate its discovered DOTS = server. > For auto discovery the DOTS client can try mDNS or anycast or both to = reach the DOTS gateway, and the DOTS gateway can try both DNS-SD or = anycast or both to reach the DOTS server in the ISP network. Yeah, a discussion on when or why to re-run discovery seems important = for the document, at some point -- probably too early now but worth some = discussion and analysis. -d >=20 > Cheers, > -Tiru >=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Dots On Behalf Of Dan Wing >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:53 AM >> To: Roman Danyliw >> Cc: dots@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on = draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery >>=20 >> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click = links or >> open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content = is >> safe. >>=20 >> I support adoption of this draft. >>=20 >> However, I would really encourage the working group to analyze if all = 4 >> discovery methods are really necessary. 4 mechanisms causes a = bifurcation >> of products. It complicates the features of a DOTS gateway, and = raises >> questions such as "is quality implementation of a DOTS gateway = expected to >> interoperate amongst the 4 DOTS discovery mechanisms." Such >> interoperation becomes necessary when, say, some devices won't = support >> DHCPv6 (Android) but an ISP only supports DHCPv4 & DHCPv6 DOTS >> discovery, for example. There are other examples of incompatible = discovery >> and how a vendor or an open-source DOTS gateway might try to overcome >> such issues with a Discovery Interoperability Feature ... >>=20 >> -d >>=20 >>=20 >>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: >>>=20 >>> Hello! >>>=20 >>> This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of = the >> document: >>>=20 >>> draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-05 >>>=20 >>> The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 = and >> IETF 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. = Discussion >> of adoption of this draft was previously deferred pending submission = of the >> signal draft for publication (which occurred in September 2018). >>>=20 >>> At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had = read >> the draft. >>>=20 >>> Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this = document >> should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end on >> December 14 2018. >>>=20 >>> Regards, >>> Roman and Frank >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Dots mailing list >>> Dots@ietf.org >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> Dots mailing list >> Dots@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Thu Dec 13 23:31:11 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2394D1310E0 for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:31:05 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.588 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.588 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_FILL_THIS_FORM_SHORT=0.01, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OSFEODTCNplp for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:31:01 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta239.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.66.39]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 791F71310CD for ; Thu, 13 Dec 2018 23:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.9]) by opfedar24.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43GMfW0ZNvz5wJJ; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:30:59 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.18]) by opfedar07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43GMfV6Sjsz5vNt; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:30:58 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM34.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::cba:56d0:a732:ef5a%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Fri, 14 Dec 2018 08:30:58 +0100 From: To: Dan Wing CC: Roman Danyliw , "Xialiang (Frank, Network Integration Technology Research Dept)" , "Panwei (William) (william.panwei@huawei.com)" , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] New Version Notification for draft-reddy-dots-home-network-02.txt Thread-Index: AQHUe10kJSRMb+D/lkigQOVa0XsC5KVNw5qwgC9YEh+AAN6zoA== Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 07:30:58 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E058FD1@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <154211930418.26992.12586161888366921.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E045230@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <9C23835F-E460-43C2-9F6D-9F7ED007DAAB@gmail.com> <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E04BEC7@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> <378B4F3F-87CC-4482-8CF2-A554997FF1E3@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <378B4F3F-87CC-4482-8CF2-A554997FF1E3@gmail.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: yes X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.4] Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="_004_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E058FD1OPEXCLILMA3corp_"; type="multipart/alternative" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] New Version Notification for draft-reddy-dots-home-network-02.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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<6985> : streams <1807095> : uri <2764659> Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Dec 2018 11:04:10 -0000 Hi Dan, The problem after auto-discovery is for the DOTS client to authenticate the= DOTS server and vice-versa. If the DOTS agents cannot mutually authenticat= e each other, the discovery mechanism is of no use. It means client has to= be configured with DOTS server name and DOTS server domain's trust anchor = certificate.=20 >From my understanding listing the discovery mechanisms required=20 [1] S-NAPTR lookup happens after the client is statically (or manually) con= figured with the DOTS server domain name, and uses PKIX based authenticatio= n of the server.=20 [2] Static configuration of DOTS server domain name and its anycast IP addr= ess. PKIX is used to authenticate the DOTS server. [3] Static configuration of SPKI + IP address. SPKI is used to authenticate= the DOTS server.=20 [4] The only way to automate the discovery of DOTS server and automatically= configure the explicit trust anchor store for the attached domain is to us= e BRSKI, using BRSKI the device (co-located with DOTS client) would have al= ready learned and validated the network domain name, and can use DNS-SD/mDN= S to discover the DOTS server. DNSSEC validation also becomes possible, and= even if the client does not support DNSSEC it will validate the DOTS serve= r certificate using the installed explicit trust store. Cheers, -Tiru > -----Original Message----- > From: Dan Wing > Sent: Friday, December 14, 2018 12:54 AM > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > Cc: Roman Danyliw ; dots@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-server-disc= overy >=20 > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click link= s or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. >=20 > On Dec 13, 2018, at 1:41 AM, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > wrote: > > Hi Dan, > > > > Good point. DHCP to learn the DOTS sever information does not look > suitable, the DHCP client will not have a secure trusted relationship wit= h the > DHCP server to learn the DOTS server information (see the challenges we > faced in DNS over TLS https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8310#section-7.3.1 f= or > using DHCP). >=20 > DHCP is not solely inadequate because of the insecurity of DHCP, because > other DOTS server discovery techniques suffer the same problem that a > bogus DOTS server might be used by the DOTS client; the specification > mentions that risk for the gratuitous multicasted DNS for mDNS, but the > same issue exists with anycast. =20 > Of all of them, N-SAPTR is most robust, but > still suffers from the problem of how one might select or configure the > domain name; if via DHCP (rather than user-configured or user-confirmed), > we're back to trusting DHCP. I would step back and see how we want to > solve authentication overall for reliable and trustable time servers (NTP= or > TLS date/time or Google's Roughtime > (https://roughtime.googlesource.com/roughtime). Specific example, if I c= an > authenticate the anycast DOTS server, but I can't authenticate or can't > authorize with one of the higher-priority Discovery servers (e.g., NAPTR)= the > client should continue using the anycast server. >=20 > The document could be improved by separating how to find servers > (currently 4 techniques) from how those are authenticated and what > happens when authentication expires (e.g., server certificate has expired= ), > and if existing server should be abandoned if a higher-priority Server > Discovery happens to learn of a new server. Are implementations expected > to re-run their server discovery all the time, or only when a connection = dies > or only when server certificate expires, or .. never? This stuff is part= ially > discussed in Security Considerations, and maybe expanding that would be > sufficient, but it seems the overall model needs to be discussed earlier = -- > that model being that the client is (somehow) given a trust anchor prior = to > joining a network and prior to trying to authenticate its discovered DOTS > server. >=20 >=20 > > For auto discovery the DOTS client can try mDNS or anycast or both to > reach the DOTS gateway, and the DOTS gateway can try both DNS-SD or > anycast or both to reach the DOTS server in the ISP network. >=20 > Yeah, a discussion on when or why to re-run discovery seems important for > the document, at some point -- probably too early now but worth some > discussion and analysis. >=20 > -d >=20 >=20 >=20 > > > > Cheers, > > -Tiru > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: Dots On Behalf Of Dan Wing > >> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2018 8:53 AM > >> To: Roman Danyliw > >> Cc: dots@ietf.org > >> Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on > >> draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery > >> > >> This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click > >> links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > >> the content is safe. > >> > >> I support adoption of this draft. > >> > >> However, I would really encourage the working group to analyze if all > >> 4 discovery methods are really necessary. 4 mechanisms causes a > >> bifurcation of products. It complicates the features of a DOTS > >> gateway, and raises questions such as "is quality implementation of a > >> DOTS gateway expected to interoperate amongst the 4 DOTS discovery > >> mechanisms." Such interoperation becomes necessary when, say, some > >> devices won't support > >> DHCPv6 (Android) but an ISP only supports DHCPv4 & DHCPv6 DOTS > >> discovery, for example. There are other examples of incompatible > >> discovery and how a vendor or an open-source DOTS gateway might try > >> to overcome such issues with a Discovery Interoperability Feature ... > >> > >> -d > >> > >> > >>> On Nov 30, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Roman Danyliw wrote: > >>> > >>> Hello! > >>> > >>> This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of > >>> the > >> document: > >>> > >>> draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery > >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-server-discovery-05 > >>> > >>> The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 > >>> and > >> IETF 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. > >> Discussion of adoption of this draft was previously deferred pending > >> submission of the signal draft for publication (which occurred in > September 2018). > >>> > >>> At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had > >>> read > >> the draft. > >>> > >>> Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this > >>> document > >> should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end on > >> December 14 2018. > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Roman and Frank > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Dots mailing list > >>> Dots@ietf.org > >>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Dots mailing list > >> Dots@ietf.org > >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Thu Dec 20 02:28:19 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 348D4130E1B for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 02:28:17 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 59HD41Spd1TJ for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 02:28:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D8BA7130DF2 for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 02:28:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.68]) by opfednr25.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43L7JF0rqjzCsbj for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:28:13 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.31]) by opfednr04.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43L7JD4c1gz1xpd for ; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:28:12 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM22.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8c90:f4e9:be28:2a1%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Thu, 20 Dec 2018 11:28:12 +0100 From: To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: New Version Notification for draft-reddy-dots-home-network-03.txt Thread-Index: AQHUmE6Gtn2+pBkaxk2DO2a3n9+dYaWHbHwg Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2018 10:28:11 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E05E2D8@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <154530161056.16361.10671757629730286165.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154530161056.16361.10671757629730286165.idtracker@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] TR: New Version Notification for draft-reddy-dots-home-network-03.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:01:50 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data Channel Specification Authors : Mohamed Boucadair Tirumaleswar Reddy Kaname Nishizuka Liang Xia Prashanth Patil Andrew Mortensen Nik Teague Filename : draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24.txt Pages : 69 Date : 2018-12-21 Abstract: The document specifies a Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) data channel used for bulk exchange of data that cannot easily or appropriately communicated through the DOTS signal channel under attack conditions. This is a companion document to the DOTS signal channel specification. Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) Please update these statements within the document with the RFC number to be assigned to this document: o "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;" o "RFC XXXX: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data Channel Specification"; o reference: RFC XXXX Please update these statements with the RFC number to be assigned to the following document: o "RFC ZZZZ: Network Access Control List (ACL) YANG Data Model" (used to be [I-D.ietf-netmod-acl-model]) Please update the "revision" date of the YANG module. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Dec 21 07:07:59 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEA98123FFD for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:07:56 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KyKxcq4VboK1 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 76C5A124BF6 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:07:54 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr01.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.65]) by opfednr26.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43LsSS366yz123l for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 16:07:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.58]) by opfednr01.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43LsSS2GNWzDq78 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 16:07:52 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM33.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::3881:fc15:b4b2:9017%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 16:07:52 +0100 From: To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24.txt Thread-Index: AQHUmT4iKBonwukRqkGUuldAv4hhLKWJSukQ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:07:51 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E05F131@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <154540451022.20276.7256078227749822875@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154540451022.20276.7256078227749822875@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:07:57 -0000 Hi all,=20 This is a minor change which:=20 * integrates the change agreed at: https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/do= ts/agTSbIrNxd8F1zOIKS83Ic-iojk=20 * fixes a circular dependency between the signal and data channel yang modu= les.=20 Ben, you may find the source files at https://github.com/boucadair/draft-ie= tf-dots-data-channel.=20 Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 21 d=E9cembre 2018 16:02 > =C0=A0: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IET= F. >=20 > Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signa= ling > (DOTS) Data Channel Specification > Authors : Mohamed Boucadair > Tirumaleswar Reddy > Kaname Nishizuka > Liang Xia > Prashanth Patil > Andrew Mortensen > Nik Teague > Filename : draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24.txt > Pages : 69 > Date : 2018-12-21 >=20 > Abstract: > The document specifies a Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat > Signaling (DOTS) data channel used for bulk exchange of data that > cannot easily or appropriately communicated through the DOTS signal > channel under attack conditions. >=20 > This is a companion document to the DOTS signal channel > specification. >=20 > Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) >=20 > Please update these statements within the document with the RFC > number to be assigned to this document: >=20 > o "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;" >=20 > o "RFC XXXX: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling > (DOTS) Data Channel Specification"; >=20 > o reference: RFC XXXX >=20 > Please update these statements with the RFC number to be assigned to > the following document: >=20 > o "RFC ZZZZ: Network Access Control List (ACL) YANG Data Model" > (used to be [I-D.ietf-netmod-acl-model]) > Please update the "revision" date of the YANG module. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dots-data-channel-24 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Fri Dec 21 07:10:01 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietf.org Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from ietfa.amsl.com (localhost [IPv6:::1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC6F9124BE5; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:09:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: internet-drafts@ietf.org To: Cc: dots@ietf.org X-Test-IDTracker: no X-IETF-IDTracker: 6.89.2 Auto-Submitted: auto-generated Precedence: bulk Reply-To: dots@ietf.org Message-ID: <154540499981.20288.7115619272692249566@ietfa.amsl.com> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:09:59 -0800 Archived-At: Subject: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:10:00 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy Mohamed Boucadair Prashanth Patil Andrew Mortensen Nik Teague Filename : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26.txt Pages : 97 Date : 2018-12-21 Abstract: This document specifies the DOTS signal channel, a protocol for signaling the need for protection against Distributed Denial-of- Service (DDoS) attacks to a server capable of enabling network traffic mitigation on behalf of the requesting client. A companion document defines the DOTS data channel, a separate reliable communication layer for DOTS management and configuration purposes. Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) Please update these statements within the document with the RFC number to be assigned to this document: o "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;" o "RFC XXXX: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification"; o "| [RFCXXXX] |" o reference: RFC XXXX Please update this statement with the RFC number to be assigned to the following documents: o "RFC YYYY: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Data Channel Specification (used to be [I-D.ietf-dots-data-channel]) Please update TBD statements with the port number to be assigned to DOTS Signal Channel Protocol. Also, please update the "revision" date of the YANG modules. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ From nobody Fri Dec 21 07:25:10 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D50CC128AFB for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:25:08 -0800 (PST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jcexe0KYi7GU for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from orange.com (mta136.mail.business.static.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 062AC1274D0 for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 07:25:07 -0800 (PST) Received: from opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.71]) by opfednr20.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43LsrK4GPKz21ST for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 16:25:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from Exchangemail-eme2.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.31.32]) by opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 43LsrK3XMjzFpWb for ; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 16:25:05 +0100 (CET) Received: from OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::60a9:abc3:86e6:2541]) by OPEXCLILM32.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8924:188:2124:a046%19]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Fri, 21 Dec 2018 16:25:05 +0100 From: To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26.txt Thread-Index: AQHUmT9GVGHhf+IlTkmyyKtxZX5dUqWJTCPA Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:25:05 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B93302E05F1A5@OPEXCLILMA3.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: <154540499981.20288.7115619272692249566@ietfa.amsl.com> In-Reply-To: <154540499981.20288.7115619272692249566@ietfa.amsl.com> Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.168.234.6] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26.txt X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2018 15:25:09 -0000 Re-, This version reflects some of the outcomes of the discussion related to the= requirements and architecture I-Ds: * Abandon white/black-* terms * Remove the use of versions Also, this version integrates some early comments received from Ben: * DOTS session is not replaced with DOTS signal channel session for consist= ency. The definition of DOTS signal channel session is added to the archite= cture I-D.=20 * Clarify that the examples are using JSON notation As discussed in the context of draft-reddy-dots-home-network, we updated th= e IANA section with sub-registries to maintain codes/parameters that are us= ed by the protocol.=20 Ben, the source files are available at: https://github.com/boucadair/draft-= ietf-dots-signal-channel Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de internet- > drafts@ietf.org > Envoy=E9=A0: vendredi 21 d=E9cembre 2018 16:10 > =C0=A0: i-d-announce@ietf.org > Cc=A0: dots@ietf.org > Objet=A0: [Dots] I-D Action: draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26.txt >=20 >=20 > A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts > directories. > This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IET= F. >=20 > Title : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signa= ling > (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification > Authors : Tirumaleswar Reddy > Mohamed Boucadair > Prashanth Patil > Andrew Mortensen > Nik Teague > Filename : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26.txt > Pages : 97 > Date : 2018-12-21 >=20 > Abstract: > This document specifies the DOTS signal channel, a protocol for > signaling the need for protection against Distributed Denial-of- > Service (DDoS) attacks to a server capable of enabling network > traffic mitigation on behalf of the requesting client. >=20 > A companion document defines the DOTS data channel, a separate > reliable communication layer for DOTS management and configuration > purposes. >=20 > Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor) >=20 > Please update these statements within the document with the RFC > number to be assigned to this document: >=20 > o "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;" >=20 > o "RFC XXXX: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling > (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification"; >=20 > o "| [RFCXXXX] |" >=20 > o reference: RFC XXXX >=20 > Please update this statement with the RFC number to be assigned to > the following documents: >=20 > o "RFC YYYY: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling > (DOTS) Data Channel Specification (used to be > [I-D.ietf-dots-data-channel]) >=20 > Please update TBD statements with the port number to be assigned to > DOTS Signal Channel Protocol. >=20 > Also, please update the "revision" date of the YANG modules. >=20 >=20 > The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel/ >=20 > There are also htmlized versions available at: > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26 > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26 >=20 > A diff from the previous version is available at: > https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-26 >=20 >=20 > Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submiss= ion > until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >=20 > Internet-Drafts are also available by anonymous FTP at: > ftp://ftp.ietf.org/internet-drafts/ >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots From nobody Wed Dec 26 02:17:34 2018 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 687AF12D4F0 for ; 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Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) by lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA256_P256) id 15.1.1591.10; Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from NKGEML411-HUB.china.huawei.com (10.98.56.70) by lhreml704-chm.china.huawei.com (10.201.108.53) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_0, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_128_CBC_SHA_P256) id 15.1.1591.10 via Frontend Transport; Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:17:25 +0000 Received: from NKGEML513-MBX.china.huawei.com ([169.254.1.172]) by nkgeml411-hub.china.huawei.com ([10.98.56.70]) with mapi id 14.03.0415.000; Wed, 26 Dec 2018 18:17:21 +0800 From: "Panwei (William)" To: "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming Thread-Index: AdSdA47z/sqTKkY6SVO41hAFPVTmmw== Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:17:20 +0000 Message-ID: <30E95A901DB42F44BA42D69DB20DFA6A6090CE6C@nkgeml513-mbx.china.huawei.com> Accept-Language: zh-CN, en-US Content-Language: zh-CN X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.134.37.117] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_30E95A901DB42F44BA42D69DB20DFA6A6090CE6Cnkgeml513mbxchi_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-CFilter-Loop: Reflected Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 26 Dec 2018 10:17:33 -0000 --_000_30E95A901DB42F44BA42D69DB20DFA6A6090CE6Cnkgeml513mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, I support adoption of this draft. And meanwhile, I have some comments. Nits or Typo: 1. In section 1, s/To that aim, this document adopts the following met= hodology/To those aims, this document adopts the following methodologies/. 2. It's better to use "DOTS signal channel sessions" instead of "DOTS = signaling sessions" in Section 1, Section 5.1 and Section 5.3. 3. In section 4.1, s/Each of these provisioning domains assign IP addr= esses/prefixes to the CPE/Each of these provisioning domains assigns IP add= resses/prefixes to the CPE/. 4. In section 4.2, the descriptions of the two sub-cases begin as the = following way: 1. Provider Independent (PI) addresses: XXXXXXXX 2. PA addresses/prefixes: XXXXXXXX It's better to change the beginning of the two sub-cases like this: 1. Provider Independent (PI) addresses/prefixes: XXXXXXXX 2. Provider Aggregatable (PA) addresses/prefixes: XXXXXXXX 5. In section 5.2, the case of figure 6, s/When PA addresses/prefixes = are in used/When PA addresses/prefixes are in use/. Some comments: 1. I suggest having a detailed explanation of the meaning of Provider-= Independent (PI) and Provider-Aggregatable (PA) in Section 3 Terminology. (= In addition, I think "Provider-Aggregate" is more suitable than "Provider-A= ggregatable".) The reason I want an explanation of these two terms, is that when I read th= e draft I got confused by some parts where these two terms are used. I'd li= ke to offer a sample: Provider-Independent (PI) IP addresses/prefixes: The IP addresses/prefixes which are used by the devices in the client's domain are owned by the client's domain itself. If PI IP addresses/prefixes are used by a DOTS client, then the devices managed by this DOTS client should also use PI IP addresses/prefixes. The DOTS client can use the same PI IP addresses/prefixes to communicate with different upstream provisioning domains. Provider-Aggregatable (PA) IP addresses/prefixes: The IP addresses/prefixes which are used by the devices in the client's domain are owned by the upstream provisioning domains. Each of upstream provisioning domains assigns IP addresses/prefixes to the client's domain. If PA IP addresses/prefixes are used by a DOTS client, then the devices managed by this DOTS client should also use PA IP addresses/prefixes provided by the same provisioning domain. DOTS clients located on the CPE should be assigned IP addresses/prefixes by each of the upstream provisioning domains. DOTS clients not located on the CPE may be assigned IP addresses/prefixes only by one provisioning domain. When a DOTS client communicates with a provisioning domain, then this DOTS client must use the PA IP addresses/prefixes provided by this provisioning domain. 2. In section 5.1, it describes the rule for DOTS client to choose the= correct DOTS server as following: When conveying a mitigation request to protect the attack target(s), the DOTS client among the DOTS servers available MUST select a DOTS server whose network has assigned the prefixes from which target prefixes and target IP addresses are derived. When the DOTS client can't find the correct DOTS server according to this r= ule, to which DOTS server should the mitigation request be sent? all DOTS s= ervers or an arbitrary one or none? I think it's better to clarify the reas= onable behavior of DOTS client in the draft. I recommend that DOTS client don't send request to any DOTS server in such = case, because sending request to all DOTS servers may inflict additional ne= twork disruption. The following sentence can be added at the end of the par= agraph: If no appropriate DOTS server can be found, then the DOTS client should not= send mitigation request to any DOTS servers. 3. In section 5.2, it describes 3 cases of deployment model. But the t= hird case, figure 8, isn't clarified clearly enough. 3.1. For the case of figure 6 and the case of figure 7, PI addresses a= nd PA addresses are considered separately and explicitly. But for the case = of figure 8, it doesn't mention the PI addresses or PA addresses. Is this d= escription of the case of figure 8 suitable for both PI addresses and PA ad= dresses? Whether or not, it's better to be clarified in the draft. 3.2. In the case of figure 8, it describes a rule for CPE: The CPE MUST select the appropriate source IP address when forwarding DOTS messages received from an internal DOTS client. But the CPE isn't a DOTS gateway in this case, how could it "select the app= ropriate source IP address" ? Besides, there is no description to explain w= hat is "appropriate" in this case. 4. In section 5.2, in the case of figure 7, it describes some complica= tions will arise if PA addresses/prefixes are used. Although the draft says= these complications are not specific to DOTS, but it doesn't clarify what = should DOTS do to handle these complications. 5. Different descriptions of PI addresses/prefixes are as followings: The case of figure 6 describes: Nevertheless, when PI addresses/prefixes are assigned, the DOTS gateway MUST sent the same request to all its DOTS servers. The case of figure 7 describes: If PI addresses/prefixes are in use, the DOTS client can send the mitigation request for all its PI addresses/prefixes to any one of the DOTS servers. The use of anycast addresses is NOT RECOMMENDED. The case of figure 9 describes: When PI addresses/prefixes are used, DOTS clients can contact any of the DOTS gateways to send a DOTS message. DOTS gateway will then relay the request to the DOTS server. I don't get the reason why the mitigation request need to be sent to all DO= TS servers in the case of figure 6 but only to one of the DOTS servers in t= he cases of figure 7 and figure 9. I don't figure out the need of such diff= erences. 6. About the anycast addresses: 6.1. There are several places in the draft saying that the use of anyc= ast addresses is NOT RECOMMENDED, but the reason isn't clarified. So I get= confused why anycast is problematic in these cases. For example, the cases of figure 7 and figure 9 describe that when PI addre= sses/prefixes are used the DOTS client can send request to any one of the D= OTS servers/DOTS gateways, using anycast addresses can achieve this more ea= sily but it is not recommended. 6.2. Does it imply that the use of anycast addresses for DOTS servers = is appropriate for those cases which don't say "anycast is not recommended"= ? Because not all cases describe the use of anycast addresses for DOTS serv= ers. For example, in the case of figure 6, it doesn't mention the anycast addres= ses for DOTS servers, can the anycast addresses for DOTS servers be used? 7. In section 5.3, in the case of figure 9, it describes: When PA addresses/prefixes are used, but no filter rules are provided to DOTS clients, these later MUST contact all DOTS gateways simultaneously to send a DOTS message. Upon receipt of a request by a DOTS gateway, it MUST check whether the request is to be forwarded upstream or be rejected. It doesn't clarify the rule that the DOTS gateway should be according to. I= n which condition should the DOTS gateway forward the request or reject the= request? Best Regards Wei Pan > -----Original Message----- > From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw > Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 6:31 AM > To: dots@ietf.org > Subject: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > > Hello! > > This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of the > document: > > draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04 > > The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 and > IETF 99; and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. This > document was created and deferred in the interest of simplifying the > requirements and architecture drafts now getting ready for publication. > > At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read th= e > draft. > > Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this docum= ent > should be adopted as a WG document. The adoption call will end on > December 14 2018. > > Regards, > Roman and Frank > > _______________________________________________ > Dots mailing list > Dots@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots --_000_30E95A901DB42F44BA42D69DB20DFA6A6090CE6Cnkgeml513mbxchi_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi,

 =

I support adoptio= n of this draft. And meanwhile, I have some comments.

 =

Nits or Typo:

1.      In section 1, s/To that aim, this document adopts the followi= ng methodology/To those aims, this document adopts the following methodologies/= .

2.      It’s better to use "DOTS signal channel sessions&q= uot; instead of "DOTS signaling sessions" in Section 1, Section 5= .1 and Section 5.3.

3.      In section 4.1, s/Each of these provisioning domains assign I= P addresses/prefixes to the CPE/Each of these provisioning domains assigns IP addresses/prefixes to the CPE/.

4.      In section 4.2, the descriptions of the two sub-cases begin a= s the following way:

1. Provider Independent (PI) addresses:= XXXXXXXX

2. PA addresses/prefixes: XXXXXXXX

It’s better= to change the beginning of the two sub-cases like this:<= /p>

1. Provider Independent (PI) addresses/= prefixes: XXXXXXXX

2. Provider Aggregatable (PA) addresses= /prefixes: XXXXXXXX

5.      In section 5.2, the case of figure 6, s/When PA addresses/pre= fixes are in used/When PA addresses/prefixes are in use/.

 

Some comments:

1.      I suggest having a detailed explanation of the meaning of Pro= vider-Independent (PI) and Provider-Aggregatable (PA) in Section 3 Terminol= ogy. (In addition, I think "Provider-Aggregate" is more suitable than "Provider-Aggregatable".)

The reason I want= an explanation of these two terms, is that when I read the draft I got con= fused by some parts where these two terms are used. I’d like to offer= a sample:

Provider-Independent (PI) IP addresses/= prefixes: The IP addresses/prefixes

which are used by the devices in the cl= ient’s domain are owned by the

client’s domain itself. If PI IP = addresses/prefixes are used by a DOTS

client, then the devices managed by thi= s DOTS client should also use

PI IP addresses/prefixes. The DOTS clie= nt can use the same PI IP

addresses/prefixes to communicate with = different upstream provisioning

domains.

 

Provider-Aggregatable (PA) IP addresses= /prefixes: The IP addresses/prefixes

which are used by the devices in the cl= ient’s domain are owned by the

upstream provisioning domains. Each of = upstream provisioning domains

assigns IP addresses/prefixes to the cl= ient’s domain. If PA IP

addresses/prefixes are used by a DOTS c= lient, then the devices managed

by this DOTS client should also use PA = IP addresses/prefixes provided

by the same provisioning domain. DOTS c= lients located on the CPE should

be assigned IP addresses/prefixes by ea= ch of the upstream provisioning

domains. DOTS clients not located on th= e CPE may be assigned IP

addresses/prefixes only by one provisio= ning domain. When a DOTS client

communicates with a provisioning domain= , then this DOTS client must use

the PA IP addresses/prefixes provided b= y this provisioning domain.

 =

2.      In section 5.1, it describes the rule for DOTS client to choo= se the correct DOTS server as following:

When conveying a mitigation request to = protect the attack target(s),

the DOTS client among the DOTS servers = available MUST select a DOTS

server whose network has assigned the p= refixes from which target

prefixes and target IP addresses are de= rived.

When the DOTS cli= ent can’t find the correct DOTS server according to this rule, to whi= ch DOTS server should the mitigation request be sent? all DOTS servers or a= n arbitrary one or none? I think it’s better to clarify the reasonable behavior of DOTS client in the draft.

I recommend that = DOTS client don’t send request to any DOTS server in such case, becau= se sending request to all DOTS servers may inflict additional network disru= ption. The following sentence can be added at the end of the paragraph:

If no appropriate DOTS server can be fo= und, then the DOTS client should not send mitigation request to any DOTS se= rvers.

 

3.      In section 5.2, it describes 3 cases of deployment model. But= the third case, figure 8, isn’t clarified clearly enough.=

3.1.      For the case of figure 6 and the case of figure 7, PI address= es and PA addresses are considered separately and explicitly. But for the c= ase of figure 8, it doesn’t mention the PI addresses or PA addresses. Is this description of the case of figure 8 suitable for = both PI addresses and PA addresses? Whether or not, it’s better to be= clarified in the draft.

3.2.      In the case of figure 8, it describes a rule for CPE:

The CPE MUST select the appropriate sou= rce IP address when

forwarding DOTS messages received from = an internal DOTS client.

But the CPE isn&#= 8217;t a DOTS gateway in this case, how could it “select the appropri= ate source IP address” ? Besides, there is no description to explain = what is “appropriate” in this case.

 

4.      In section 5.2, in the case of figure 7, it describes some co= mplications will arise if PA addresses/prefixes are used. Although the draf= t says these complications are not specific to DOTS, but it doesn’t clarify what should DOTS do to handle these = complications.

 =

5.      Different descriptions of PI addresses/prefixes are as follow= ings:

The case of figur= e 6 describes:

Nevertheless, when PI addresses/prefixe= s are assigned, the DOTS

gateway MUST sent the same request to a= ll its DOTS servers.

The case of figur= e 7 describes:

If PI addresses/prefixes are in use, th= e DOTS client can send the

mitigation request for all its PI addre= sses/prefixes to any one of

the DOTS servers. The use of anycast ad= dresses is NOT RECOMMENDED.

The case of figur= e 9 describes:

When PI addresses/prefixes are used, DO= TS clients can contact any of

the DOTS gateways to send a DOTS messag= e. DOTS gateway will then

relay the request to the DOTS server.

I don’t get= the reason why the mitigation request need to be sent to all DOTS servers = in the case of figure 6 but only to one of the DOTS servers in the cases of= figure 7 and figure 9. I don’t figure out the need of such differences.

 =

6.      About the anycast addresses:

6.1.      There are several places in the draft saying that the use of = anycast addresses is NOT RECOMMENDED, but  the reason isn’t clar= ified. So I get confused why anycast is problematic in these cases.

For example, the = cases of figure 7 and figure 9 describe that when PI addresses/prefixes are= used the DOTS client can send request to any one of the DOTS servers/DOTS = gateways, using anycast addresses can achieve this more easily but it is not recommended.

6.2.      Does it imply that the use of anycast addresses for DOTS serv= ers is appropriate for those cases which don’t say “anycast is = not recommended”? Because not all cases describe the use of anycast addresses for DOTS servers.

For example, in t= he case of figure 6, it doesn’t mention the anycast addresses for DOT= S servers, can the anycast addresses for DOTS servers be used?

 =

7.      In section 5.3, in the case of figure 9, it describes:

When PA addresses/prefixes are used, bu= t no filter rules are provided

to DOTS clients, these later MUST conta= ct all DOTS gateways

simultaneously to send a DOTS message. = Upon receipt of a request by

a DOTS gateway, it MUST check whether t= he request is to be forwarded

upstream or be rejected.

It doesn’t = clarify the rule that the DOTS gateway should be according to. In which con= dition should the DOTS gateway forward the request or reject the request?

 =

 =

Best Regards=

Wei Pan

 =

 

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Roman Danyliw

> Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2018 6:31 AM

> To: dots@ietf.org

> Subject: [Dots] Call for adoption on draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming<= o:p>

>

> Hello!

>

> This is the start of a two week call for input on the WG adoption of t= he

> document:

>

> draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming

> https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-boucadair-dots-multihoming-04

>

> The document has been presented and discussed at IETF 103, IETF 100 an= d

> IETF 99;  and revisions have been made based on WG feedback. = ; This

> document was created and deferred in the interest of simplifying the

> requirements and architecture drafts now getting ready for publication= .

>

> At the IETF 103 meeting, there were not many participants who had read= the

> draft.

>

> Please provide feedback to the list/chairs if you believe that this do= cument

> should be adopted as a WG document.  The adoption call will end o= n

> December 14 2018.

>

> Regards,

> Roman and Frank

>

> _______________________________________________

> Dots mailing list

> Dots@ietf.org

> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots

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