From nobody Thu Sep 5 00:56:05 2019 Return-Path: X-Original-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dots@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045071200CD for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 00:56:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.597 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.597 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Pu6Oc31L6h0o for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 00:56:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from relais-inet.orange.com (relais-inet.orange.com [80.12.70.36]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CA743120045 for ; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 00:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (unknown [xx.xx.xx.71]) by opfednr27.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 46PCg329zbz4xC9; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:55:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from Exchangemail-eme6.itn.ftgroup (unknown [xx.xx.13.60]) by opfednr07.francetelecom.fr (ESMTP service) with ESMTP id 46PCg31HlGzFpX3; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:55:59 +0200 (CEST) Received: from OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::e878:bd0:c89e:5b42]) by OPEXCAUBM5D.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup ([fe80::8899:bbc3:9726:cd5e%21]) with mapi id 14.03.0468.000; Thu, 5 Sep 2019 09:55:59 +0200 From: To: "Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept)" , "dots@ietf.org" Thread-Topic: WGLC for draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control: Thread-Index: AdVb0qJ3azE8d5a6Q9qrq0A2Y5HsJwH7HQeA Date: Thu, 5 Sep 2019 07:55:58 +0000 Message-ID: <787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933031315718@OPEXCAUBMA2.corporate.adroot.infra.ftgroup> References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: fr-FR, en-US Content-Language: fr-FR X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: x-originating-ip: [10.114.13.245] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933031315718OPEXCAUBMA2corp_" MIME-Version: 1.0 Archived-At: Subject: Re: [Dots] WGLC for draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control: X-BeenThere: dots@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "List for discussion of DDoS Open Threat Signaling \(DOTS\) technology and directions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 07:56:03 -0000 --_000_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933031315718OPEXCAUBMA2corp_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Frank, all, I'm not aware of any IPR related to this draft. Cheers, Med De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Xialiang (Frank, Net= work Standard & Patent Dept) Envoy=E9 : lundi 26 ao=FBt 2019 08:00 =C0 : dots@ietf.org Objet : [Dots] WGLC for draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control: Hi all, Based on the WG discussion, and the Chairs' overall opinion, this begins a = three week working group last call for: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control/ Please reply to this email thread with an indication that you have read the= document, any comments you may have, and your assessment of whether or not= it is ready to proceed to publication. If you are listed as an author or a contributor of this document, please re= spond to this email and indicate whether or not you are aware of any releva= nt undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progr= ess without answers from all the authors and contributors. Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this document. If you are not listed as an author or a contributor, then please explicitly= respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has not yet been disclosed i= n conformance with IETF rules. DEADLINE: Please reply by Monday 16 September 2019. B.R. Valery and Frank --_000_787AE7BB302AE849A7480A190F8B933031315718OPEXCAUBMA2corp_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi  Frank, all,

 

I’m not aware of any IPR = related to this draft.

 

Cheers,

Med

 

De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) Envoy=E9 : lundi 26 ao=FBt 2019 08:00
=C0 : dots@ietf.org
Objet : [Dots] WGLC for draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control:<= o:p>

 =

Hi all,

Based on the WG discussion, and the Chairs’ overall opinion, th= is begins a three week working group last call for:

 

https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-filt= er-control/

 

Please reply to this email thread with an indication that you have re= ad the document, any comments you may have, and your assessment of whether = or not it is ready to proceed to publication. 

 

If you are listed as an author or a contributor of t= his document, please respond to this email and indicate whether or not you = are aware of any relevant undisclosed IPR, copying the BESS mailing list. The document won't progress without an= swers from all the authors and contributors.

Currently, there are no IPR disclosures against this= document.

 

If you are not listed as an author or a contributor,= then please explicitly respond only if you are aware of any IPR that has n= ot yet been disclosed in conformance with IETF rules.

 

 

DEADLINE: Please reply by Monday 16 September 2019. <= /span>

 

B.R.

Valery and Frank

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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 15:07:34 -0000 A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories. This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF. Title : Use cases for DDoS Open Threat Signaling Authors : Roland Dobbins Daniel Migault Robert Moskowitz Nik Teague Liang Xia Kaname Nishizuka Filename : draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20.txt Pages : 15 Date : 2019-09-05 Abstract: The DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) effort is intended to provide protocols to facilitate interoperability across disparate DDoS mitigation solutions. This document presents sample use cases which describe the interactions expected between the DOTS components as well as DOTS messaging exchanges. These use cases are meant to identify the interacting DOTS components, how they collaborate, and what are the typical information to be exchanged. The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/ There are also htmlized versions available at: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20 https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20 A diff from the previous version is available at: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20 Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and diff are available at tools.ietf.org. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2019 15:44:05 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------2E9D763B5F5920D5CBDD102C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My mother passed away yesterday.  The funeral is today.  I will be basically offline until after the week of mourning.  That is next Wednesday morning. Bob On 9/5/19 11:41 AM, Valery Smyslov wrote: > Thank you, Daniel, > > I'll update the shepherd write-up and then will request to publish the draft. > > Regards, > Valery. > >> Hi, >> >> Please find the latest version. The text integrate the updated proposed by Med. My understanding is that we >> did not get any response regarding IPR from Stephan and that he name should be moved to the >> acknowledgment section. If I did not understood correctly, please let me know. >> >> Yours, >> Daniel >> -----Original Message----- >> From: internet-drafts@ietf.org >> Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2019 11:08 AM >> To: Kaname Nishizuka ; Daniel Migault ; Robert >> Moskowitz ; Nik Teague ; dots-chairs@ietf.org; >> Roland Dobbins ; Liang Xia ; Liang Xia >> >> Subject: New Version Notification for draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20.txt >> >> >> A new version of I-D, draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20.txt has been successfully submitted by Daniel Migault and >> posted to the IETF repository. >> >> Name: draft-ietf-dots-use-cases >> Revision: 20 >> Title: Use cases for DDoS Open Threat Signaling >> Document date: 2019-09-05 >> Group: dots >> Pages: 15 >> URL: https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20.txt >> Status: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/ >> Htmlized: https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20 >> Htmlized: https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases >> Diff: https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20 >> >> Abstract: >> The DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) effort is intended to provide >> protocols to facilitate interoperability across disparate DDoS >> mitigation solutions. This document presents sample use cases which >> describe the interactions expected between the DOTS components as >> well as DOTS messaging exchanges. These use cases are meant to >> identify the interacting DOTS components, how they collaborate, and >> what are the typical information to be exchanged. >> >> >> >> >> Please note that it may take a couple of minutes from the time of submission until the htmlized version and >> diff are available at tools.ietf.org. >> >> The IETF Secretariat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Dots mailing list >> Dots@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dots -- Standard Robert Moskowitz Owner HTT Consulting C:248-219-2059 F:248-968-2824 E:rgm@labs.htt-consult.com There's no limit to what can be accomplished if it doesn't matter who gets the credit --------------2E9D763B5F5920D5CBDD102C Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My mother passed away yesterday.  The funeral is today.  I will be basically offline until after the week of mourning.  That is next Wednesday morning.

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On 9/5/19 11:41 AM, Valery Smyslov wrote:
Thank you, Daniel,

I'll update the shepherd write-up and then will request to publish the draft.

Regards,
Valery.


Hi,

Please find the latest version. The text integrate the updated proposed by Med. My understanding is that we
did not get any response regarding IPR from Stephan and that he name should be moved to the
acknowledgment section. If I did not understood correctly, please let me know.

Yours,
Daniel
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Name:		draft-ietf-dots-use-cases
Revision:	20
Title:		Use cases for DDoS Open Threat Signaling
Document date:	2019-09-05
Group:		dots
Pages:		15
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20.txt
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Abstract:
   The DDoS Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) effort is intended to provide
   protocols to facilitate interoperability across disparate DDoS
   mitigation solutions.  This document presents sample use cases which
   describe the interactions expected between the DOTS components as
   well as DOTS messaging exchanges.  These use cases are meant to
   identify the interacting DOTS components, how they collaborate, and
   what are the typical information to be exchanged.




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Valery Smyslov has requested publication of draft-ietf-dots-use-cases-20 as Informational on behalf of the DOTS working group.

Please verify the document's state at https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-use-cases/


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Call Home
        Authors         : Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Jon Shallow
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06.txt
	Pages           : 35
	Date            : 2019-09-10

Abstract:
   This document specifies the DOTS signal channel Call Home, which
   enables a DOTS server to initiate a secure connection to a DOTS
   client, and to receive the attack traffic information from the DOTS
   client.  The DOTS server in turn uses the attack traffic information
   to identify the compromised devices launching the outgoing DDoS
   attack and takes appropriate mitigation action(s).

   The DOTS signal channel Call Home is not specific to the home
   networks; the solution targets any deployment which requires to block
   DDoS attack traffic closer to the source(s) of a DDoS attack.

Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor)

   Please update these statements within the document with the RFC
   number to be assigned to this document:

   o  "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;"

   o  "RFC XXXX: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling
      (DOTS) Signal Channel Call Home";

   o  "| [RFCXXXX] |"

   o  reference: RFC XXXX

   Please update this statement with the RFC number to be assigned to
   the following documents:

   o  "RFC YYYY: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling
      (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification (used to be I-D.ietf-dots-
      signal-channel)

   Please update TBD statements with the assignment made by IANA to DOTS
   Signal Channel Call Home.

   Also, please update the "revision" date of the YANG module.


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Hi all,=20

This version clarifies how redirected signaling is supported in the call ho=
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> This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the
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>         Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat
> Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Call Home
>         Authors         : Tirumaleswar Reddy
>                           Mohamed Boucadair
>                           Jon Shallow
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06.txt
> 	Pages           : 35
> 	Date            : 2019-09-10
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> Abstract:
>    This document specifies the DOTS signal channel Call Home, which
>    enables a DOTS server to initiate a secure connection to a DOTS
>    client, and to receive the attack traffic information from the DOTS
>    client.  The DOTS server in turn uses the attack traffic information
>    to identify the compromised devices launching the outgoing DDoS
>    attack and takes appropriate mitigation action(s).
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>    The DOTS signal channel Call Home is not specific to the home
>    networks; the solution targets any deployment which requires to block
>    DDoS attack traffic closer to the source(s) of a DDoS attack.
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>    o  "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;"
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>       signal-channel)
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>    Please update TBD statements with the assignment made by IANA to DOTS
>    Signal Channel Call Home.
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>    Also, please update the "revision" date of the YANG module.
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Hi Tiru,

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It is looking good.

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However, we are not consistent in the usage of =
=E2=80=9Cmitigation-start=E2=80=9D in the signal draft and =
=E2=80=9Cstart-time=E2=80=9D where time is represented differently in =
the usage of uint64 which may cause some downstream confusion.

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I actually prefer (the granularity of) the =E2=80=9Cstart-time=E2=80=9D =
format, but am unsure as to how you would define  this in YANG.

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Regards

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Jon

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From: Dots [mailto: dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Konda, =
Tirumaleswar Reddy
Sent: 12 September 2019 05:55
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Subject: [Dots] FW: New Version Notification for =
draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02.txt

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This revision https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02 =
addresses comments from Kaname, Jon, Wei Pan and Yuuhei Hayashi. =20

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Major changes are listed below:

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a.  Added path-suffix =E2=80=98telemetry=E2=80=99 to from the URI to =
signal DOTS telemetry

b.  Added attributes useful to detect resource-based DDoS attacks

c.  Attack details can be signaled from the DOTS client to server and =
vice-versa.=20

d.  Added several new attributes for attack details including top =
talkers.

 =20

Comments and suggestions are welcome.

=20

-Tiru

=20

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From: 
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:58
Subject: New Version Notification for draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02.txt
To: Tirumaleswar Reddy , Ehud Doron =
, Mohamed Boucadair 




A new version of I-D, draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02.txt
has been successfully submitted by Tirumaleswar Reddy and posted to the
IETF repository.

Name:           draft-reddy-dots-telemetry
Revision:       02
Title:          Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling =
(DOTS) Telemetry
Document date:  2019-09-12
Group:          Individual Submission
Pages:          16
URL:            =
https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02.txt
Status:         =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry/
Htmlized:       =
https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02
Htmlized:       =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry
Diff:           =
https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02

Abstract:
   This document aims to enrich DOTS signal channel protocol with
   various telemetry attributes allowing optimal DDoS attack mitigation.
   This document specifies the normal traffic baseline and attack
   traffic telemetry attributes a DOTS client can convey to its DOTS
   server in the mitigation request, the mitigation status telemetry
   attributes a DOTS server can communicate to a DOTS client, and the
   mitigation efficacy telemetry attributes a DOTS client can
   communicate to a DOTS server.  The telemetry attributes can assist
   the mitigator to choose the DDoS mitigation techniques and perform
   optimal DDoS attack mitigation.




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Hi Tiru,
 
It is looking =
good.
 
However, we are not =
consistent in the usage of =E2=80=9Cmitigation-start=E2=80=9D in the =
signal draft and =E2=80=9Cstart-time=E2=80=9D where time is represented =
differently in the usage of uint64 which may cause some downstream =
confusion.
 
I actually prefer (the =
granularity of) the =E2=80=9Cstart-time=E2=80=9D format, but am unsure =
as to how you would define=C2=A0 this in YANG.
 
Regards
 
Jon
 
From:=
 Dots =
[mailto: dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Konda, Tirumaleswar =
Reddy
Sent: 12 September 2019 05:55
To: =
dots@ietf.org
Subject: [Dots] FW: New Version Notification for =
draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02.txt
 
This revision https:=
//tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02 addresses =
comments from Kaname, Jon, Wei Pan and Yuuhei Hayashi. =
 
 
Major changes are listed below:
 
a.  Added path-suffix =
=E2=80=98telemetry=E2=80=99 to from the URI to signal DOTS =
telemetry
b.  Added attributes useful to detect resource-based =
DDoS attacks
c.  Attack details can be signaled from the DOTS =
client to server and vice-versa. 
d.  Added several new =
attributes for attack details including top =
talkers.
  
Comments and suggestions are =
welcome.
 
-Tiru
 
---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: <internet-drafts@ietf.org>=

Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 09:58
Subject: New Version Notification =
for draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02.txt
To: Tirumaleswar Reddy <kondtir@gmail.com>, Ehud Doron =
<ehudd@radware.com>, =
Mohamed Boucadair <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com=
>



A new =
version of I-D, draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-02.txt
has been =
successfully submitted by Tirumaleswar Reddy and posted to the
IETF =
repository.

Name:          =
 draft-reddy-dots-telemetry
Revision:      =
 02
Title:          Distributed =
Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Telemetry
Document =
date:  2019-09-12
Group:          =
Individual Submission
Pages:          =
16
URL:            https://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-reddy-dots-t=
elemetry-02.txt
Status:         https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-dots-telem=
etry/
Htmlized:       https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-=
02
Htmlized:       https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-reddy-dots-=
telemetry
Diff:           https://www.ietf.org/rfcdiff?url2=3Ddraft-reddy-dots-te=
lemetry-02

Abstract:
   This document aims to =
enrich DOTS signal channel protocol with
   various =
telemetry attributes allowing optimal DDoS attack mitigation.
  =
 This document specifies the normal traffic baseline and =
attack
   traffic telemetry attributes a DOTS client can =
convey to its DOTS
   server in the mitigation request, the =
mitigation status telemetry
   attributes a DOTS server can =
communicate to a DOTS client, and the
   mitigation =
efficacy telemetry attributes a DOTS client can
  =
 communicate to a DOTS server.  The telemetry attributes can =
assist
   the mitigator to choose the DDoS mitigation =
techniques and perform
   optimal DDoS attack =
mitigation.




Please note that it may take a couple of =
minutes from the time of submission
until the htmlized version and =
diff are available at tools.ietf.org.

The IETF =
Secretariat

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Hi Med,

sorry, can you please send this confirmation to the list,
so that I can include a reference to your message in the writeup?

Thank you,
Valery.


> Hi Valery,
>=20
> I'm not aware of any IPR related to this I-D.
>=20
> Cheers,
> Med
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> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De=A0: Valery Smyslov [mailto:valery@smyslov.net]
> > Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 16 septembre 2019 14:52
> > =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
> > Cc=A0: draft-ietf-dots-architecture@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > Objet=A0: IPR confirmation for DOTS architecture draft
> >
> > Hi Med,
> >
> > you are listed as contributor in the =
draft-ietf-dots-architecture-14.
> > According to the BCP78 and BCP79 all contributors must
> > provide a confirmation that they are not aware of any IPR
> > related to the draft (or disclose one if they are aware).
> > Can you please do it, preferably by sending e-mail
> > to the dots mail list.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Valery.
> >
> > P.S. I should have asked you before, but only recently I realized
> > that contributors should do it as well as authors.
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Re-,

Sure!

I'm not aware of any IPR related to this I-D.

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De=A0: Valery Smyslov [mailto:valery@smyslov.net]
> Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 16 septembre 2019 15:14
> =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
> Cc=A0: draft-ietf-dots-architecture@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org;
> dots@ietf.org
> Objet=A0: RE: IPR confirmation for DOTS architecture draft
>=20
> Hi Med,
>=20
> sorry, can you please send this confirmation to the list,
> so that I can include a reference to your message in the writeup?
>=20
> Thank you,
> Valery.
>=20
>=20
> > Hi Valery,
> >
> > I'm not aware of any IPR related to this I-D.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De=A0: Valery Smyslov [mailto:valery@smyslov.net]
> > > Envoy=E9=A0: lundi 16 septembre 2019 14:52
> > > =C0=A0: BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
> > > Cc=A0: draft-ietf-dots-architecture@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > > Objet=A0: IPR confirmation for DOTS architecture draft
> > >
> > > Hi Med,
> > >
> > > you are listed as contributor in the draft-ietf-dots-architecture-14.
> > > According to the BCP78 and BCP79 all contributors must
> > > provide a confirmation that they are not aware of any IPR
> > > related to the draft (or disclose one if they are aware).
> > > Can you please do it, preferably by sending e-mail
> > > to the dots mail list.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Valery.
> > >
> > > P.S. I should have asked you before, but only recently I realized
> > > that contributors should do it as well as authors.
> > >


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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Controlling Filtering Rules Using Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel
        Authors         : Kaname Nishizuka
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Takahiko Nagata
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control-02.txt
	Pages           : 25
	Date            : 2019-09-17

Abstract:
   This document specifies an extension to the DOTS signal channel
   protocol so that DOTS clients can control their filtering rules when
   an attack mitigation is active.

   Particularly, this extension allows a DOTS client to activate or de-
   activate existing filtering rules during a DDoS attack.  The
   characterization of these filtering rules is supposed to be conveyed
   by a DOTS client during an idle time by means of the DOTS data
   channel protocol.

Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor)

   Please update these statements within the document with the RFC
   number to be assigned to this document:

   o  "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;"

   o  "RFC XXXX: Controlling Filtering Rules Using Distributed Denial-
      of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel";

   o  reference: RFC XXXX

   o  [RFCXXXX]

   Please update these statements with the RFC number to be assigned to
   the following documents:

   o  "RFC SSSS: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling
      (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification" (used to be
      [I-D.ietf-dots-signal-channel])

   o  "RFC DDDD: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling
      (DOTS) Data Channel Specification" (used to be
      [I-D.ietf-dots-data-channel])

   Please update the "revision" date of the YANG module.


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Re-,

This version addresses an offline WGLC comment asking to add a motivation f=
or this recommendation:

" Nevertheless, it is NOT
   RECOMMENDED to include ACL attributes in an initial mitigation
   request for a given mitigation scope or in a mitigation request
   adjusting the mitigation scope."=20

The new version fixes also some nits/typos.=20

Unless I'm mistaken, no further comment was raised during the WGLC.=20

Cheers,
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>         Title           : Controlling Filtering Rules Using Distributed
> Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel
>         Authors         : Kaname Nishizuka
>                           Mohamed Boucadair
>                           Tirumaleswar Reddy
>                           Takahiko Nagata
> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control-02.txt
> 	Pages           : 25
> 	Date            : 2019-09-17
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> Abstract:
>    This document specifies an extension to the DOTS signal channel
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>    activate existing filtering rules during a DDoS attack.  The
>    characterization of these filtering rules is supposed to be conveyed
>    by a DOTS client during an idle time by means of the DOTS data
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> Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor)
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>=20
>    o  "RFC XXXX: Controlling Filtering Rules Using Distributed Denial-
>       of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel";
>=20
>    o  reference: RFC XXXX
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>    o  [RFCXXXX]
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>    Please update these statements with the RFC number to be assigned to
>    the following documents:
>=20
>    o  "RFC SSSS: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling
>       (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification" (used to be
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>=20
>    o  "RFC DDDD: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling
>       (DOTS) Data Channel Specification" (used to be
>       [I-D.ietf-dots-data-channel])
>=20
>    Please update the "revision" date of the YANG module.
>=20
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Hi Wei Pan,

Thank you for comments. And I'm sorry for the late reply.

Please see inline.

Thanks,
Yuhei

2019=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=887=E6=97=A5(=E6=B0=B4) 20:01 Panwei (William) :
>
> Hi Yuhei,
>
> Please see inline.
>
> Regards & Thanks!
> =E6=BD=98=E4=BC=9F Wei Pan
> =E5=8D=8E=E4=B8=BA=E6=8A=80=E6=9C=AF=E6=9C=89=E9=99=90=E5=85=AC=E5=8F=B8 =
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: H Y [mailto:yuuhei.hayashi@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 06, 2019 5:08 PM
> > To: Panwei (William) 
> > Cc: dots 
> > Subject: Re: Comments for draft-hayashi-dots-dms-offload
> >
> > Hi Wei Pan,
> >
> > Thank you for reading my draft carefully.
> > Please see inline.
> >
> > 2019=E5=B9=B48=E6=9C=886=E6=97=A5(=E7=81=AB) 12:52 Panwei (William)
> > :
> > >
> > > Hi Yuhei,
> > >
> > > In the IETF 105 meeting, there wasn=E2=80=99t enough time to discuss =
your draft,
> > so I put my comments here for more discussion.
> > >
> > > My comments are all about the =E2=80=98Signaling Method and Conveyed
> > Information=E2=80=99 for different Attacks. The following figure is cop=
ied from your
> > draft.
> > >
> > >
> > > 1. For =E2=80=98In-band Case=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98Attack Time=E2=80=
=99, =E2=80=98dst_port=E2=80=99 is conveyed for =E2=80=98Non-
> > Reflection Attack=E2=80=99 and isn=E2=80=99t for =E2=80=98Reflection At=
tack=E2=80=99, so I infer that maybe a
> > lot of or even all ports will be attacked on =E2=80=98Reflection Attack=
=E2=80=99 so you can=E2=80=99t
> > or don=E2=80=99t need to convey =E2=80=98dst_port=E2=80=99. Also I noti=
ced that non source attribute
> > is conveyed on =E2=80=98Non-Reflection Attack=E2=80=99. So, different k=
inds of information
> > are conveyed in different situations, but I didn=E2=80=99t find any ref=
erences for
> > your conclusions, can you give some references or descriptions to expla=
in
> > how you get the conclusions?
> > [Yuhei]
> > So far, I conclude it based on my personal analysis of attack (or netwo=
rk
> > stress?) tools.
> >
> > When it is under non-reflection attack, src_ip and src_port information
> > cannot be conveyed because attackers usually randomize the parameters
> > so number of its become enormous.
> > For example, a non-reflection attack (or network stress?) tool such as =
g3m
> > seems that it generates attack packets with randomized src_ip and src_p=
ort
> > as default.
> > https://github.com/WorkaroundTech/g3m/blob/master/g3m.c
> >
> > On the other hand, when it is under reflection attack, dst_port
> > information cannot be conveyed because attackers usually randomize
> > src_port so the number of dst_port of attack packets reached to victim
> > become enormous.
> > For example, a reflection attack tool
> > https://github.com/OffensivePython/Saddam/blob/master/Saddam.py
> > seems that it generates attack packets with randomized src_port.
>
> [Wei] Thanks for sharing your knowledge, should some such descriptions be=
 added to the draft for explanation?
[Yuhei] I will write new deployment consideration draft. In the draft,
I will add the description.

> Besides, is there any need to consider some things when the actual situat=
ion is contrary to what we assumed?
[Yuhei] I have some concern about the message size of Signal Channel
under Carpet bombing attack.

"Carpet bombing attacks are a new variant of the more common
reflection or flooding attacks, where instead of focusing the attack
on a single destination, the attacker attacks every destination within
a specific subnet or CIDR block (for example, a /20)."
"The attacker will often shift their attacks from one subnet (or CIDR
block) to another, complicating the detection and mitigation even
further."
https://blog.apnic.net/2018/12/04/ddos-defences-in-the-terabit-era-attack-t=
rends-carpet-bombing/

>
> >
> > > 2. For =E2=80=98Reflection Attack=E2=80=99, =E2=80=98In-band Case=E2=
=80=99 and =E2=80=98Attack Time=E2=80=99, you give two
> > methods based on the number of reflector, what I=E2=80=99m confused is =
how to
> > distinguish whether the number is small or enormous. I think the
> > comparison is a very subjective thing, different people may have differ=
ent
> > understanding, so I don=E2=80=99t know whether it=E2=80=99s suitable or=
 common to just
> > say the number is small or enormous.
> > [Yuhei]
> > Thank you for sharing your concern. A threshold is needed to distinguis=
h
> > the number is small or enormous, and the threshold can be configured
> > based on the capacity of ACLs of forwarding node.
>
> [Wei] Good to hear that. But is the number of attacker source ports only =
in a small range? What if (src_port * des_ip) also exceeds the capacity of =
ACLs of forwarding node?
[Yuhei] Thank you for the comments. I will consider it.

>
> >
> > > 3. For =E2=80=98In-band Case=E2=80=99 and =E2=80=98Peace Time=E2=80=
=99, you want to send the ACLs by
> > Data Channel before the attack, and activate them by Signal Channel
> > during attack. But how do you know the targets and attack sources befor=
e
> > the attack, especially the DMS may be in charge of the whole network?
> > [Yuhei]
> > So far, it is assumed that the DMS is deployed at the enterprise networ=
k
> > and it knows the global address of the network. Against reflection atta=
ck,
> > the DMS sends the global address as dst_ip of ACL and well-known
> > abused port (such as UDP 53, 123, etc.) as src_port of ACL in peacetime=
.
> > Against non-reflection attack, the DMS sends the global address as dst_=
ip
> > of ACL and well-known abused port (such as TCP 80, 443, etc.) as dst_po=
rt
> > of ACL in peacetime.
>
> [Wei] OK, please clarify this assumption in the draft.
[Yuhei] OK.

>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Yuhei
> >
> >
> > > Regards & Thanks!
> > >
> > > =E6=BD=98=E4=BC=9F Wei Pan
> > >
> > > =E5=8D=8E=E4=B8=BA=E6=8A=80=E6=9C=AF=E6=9C=89=E9=99=90=E5=85=AC=E5=8F=
=B8 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ----------------------------------
> > Yuuhei HAYASHI
> > 08065300884
> > yuuhei.hayashi@gmail.com
> > iehuuy_0220@docomo.ne.jp
> > ----------------------------------



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