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Hi,

this message starts a one week Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-39.
The last call will end on 9 December 2019. The purpose of this call is to review and approve 
the changes in a heartbeat mechanism introduced in the last version of the draft to address
TSV AD concerns raised during IESG evaluation. Please, review the changes made to the draft
since -30 version (that was sent to IESG), with a focus on the new heartbeat mechanism.

Note, that this WGLS is only one week long, please try to meet the deadline.

Regards,
Frank & Valery.


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Hi,

at the DOTS meeting at IETF106 we had a hum for an adoption of draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-04.
The feeling in the room was that the draft should be adopted. To confirm this outcome on the list
this message starts a two weeks long call for adoption for this draft. Please, send your opinions
to the list before 16 December 2019 (please do it even if you have already hummed at the meeting).

Regards,
Frank & Valery.


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The DOTS WG has placed draft-reddy-dots-telemetry in state
Call For Adoption By WG Issued (entered by Valery Smyslov)

The document is available at
https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-reddy-dots-telemetry/


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Hi Valery, all,=20

I support.

Cheers,
Med

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Hi Valery and all,

I support this adoption.

Regards

Jon

> -----Original Message-----
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> Hi Valery, all,
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> I support.
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> Cheers,
> Med
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> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De=A0: Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Valery =
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> > Objet=A0: [Dots] Call for adoption for draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-04
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > at the DOTS meeting at IETF106 we had a hum for an adoption of =
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> reddy-
> > dots-telemetry-04.
> > The feeling in the room was that the draft should be adopted. To =
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> > this outcome on the list
> > this message starts a two weeks long call for adoption for this =
draft.
> > Please, send your opinions
> > to the list before 16 December 2019 (please do it even if you have
already
> > hummed at the meeting).
> >
> > Regards,
> > Frank & Valery.
> >
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I support adoption of this draft.

regards,
Kaname Nishizuka

On 2019/12/02 16:19, Valery Smyslov wrote:
> Hi,
>
> at the DOTS meeting at IETF106 we had a hum for an adoption of draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-04.
> The feeling in the room was that the draft should be adopted. To confirm this outcome on the list
> this message starts a two weeks long call for adoption for this draft. Please, send your opinions
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Hi,

I support adoption of this draft.

Thanks,
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Hi there,

 

This is to confirm that I have a DOTS server that can be publically accessed
for testing.

 

The current versions of the drafts that are supported are:-

 

draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-39

draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-31

draft-ietf-core-hop-limit-07

draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control-02

draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-07

 

with the following caveats

 

application/dots+cbor has not yet been defined, so currently using 60
(application/cbor)

 

For signal-filter-control, CBOR Key 52 is used to not clash with
signal-channel CBOR keys.

 

The DOTS server (signal) is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port
4646 (both UDP and TCP)

The DOTS server (data) is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port 443
(both UDP and TCP) (SNI required)

The Call Home DOTS client is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port
4647 (both UDP and TCP)

 

To access using PKI, Certificates are the same as used by godots and are
available from https://github.com/nttdots/go-dots/tree/master/certs.

To access the DOTS server, you need to use client-cert.pem and
client-key.pem

To access the Call Home DOTS client, you need to use server-cert.pem and
server-key.pem.

 

Alternatively, using PSK, the Pre-Shared Key is 12345678  and the DOTS
client Identity must be client.example.server.com .

 

It is possible to set the configuration up as a DOTS gateway, but your DOTS
server needs to be pre-configured so that traffic can be gatewayed to it, as
well as use a different client key that has a different common name (but
created from the same godots CA) so traffic can be differentiated from that
using client-cert.pem which access the DOTS server only.

 

The local DOTS server will accept mitigation requests for 1.1.1.69,
1.1.1.71, 1.1.2.0/24 and 2001:db8:6401::/96.

 

Diagnostic messages should be self-explanatory as to what the (perceived)
issue is.

 

It is possible that there may be brief outages whenever the s/w is updated.

 

Regards

 

Jon


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<p =
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server (signal) is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port 4646 =
(both UDP and TCP)<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>The DOTS server =
(data) is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port 443 (both UDP and =
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class=3DMsoNormal>To access using PKI, Certificates are the same as used =
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hub.com/nttdots/go-dots/tree/master/certs</a>.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>To access the =
DOTS server, you need to use client-cert.pem and =
client-key.pem<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal>To access the Call =
Home DOTS client, you need to use server-cert.pem and =
server-key.pem.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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class=3DMsoNormal>Alternatively, using PSK, the Pre-Shared Key is =
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client.example.server.com .<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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possible to set the configuration up as a DOTS gateway, but your DOTS =
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it, as well as use a different client key that has a different common =
name (but created from the same godots CA) so traffic can be =
differentiated from that using client-cert.pem which access the DOTS =
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whenever the s/w is updated.<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal>Regards<o:p></o:p></p><p =
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Hi Jon,

That is very cool to see -- thank you!

-Ben

On Wed, Dec 04, 2019 at 02:54:08PM -0000, Jon Shallow wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
>  
> 
> This is to confirm that I have a DOTS server that can be publically accessed
> for testing.
> 
>  
> 
> The current versions of the drafts that are supported are:-
> 
>  
> 
> draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-39
> 
> draft-ietf-dots-data-channel-31
> 
> draft-ietf-core-hop-limit-07
> 
> draft-ietf-dots-signal-filter-control-02
> 
> draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-07
> 
>  
> 
> with the following caveats
> 
>  
> 
> application/dots+cbor has not yet been defined, so currently using 60
> (application/cbor)
> 
>  
> 
> For signal-filter-control, CBOR Key 52 is used to not clash with
> signal-channel CBOR keys.
> 
>  
> 
> The DOTS server (signal) is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port
> 4646 (both UDP and TCP)
> 
> The DOTS server (data) is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port 443
> (both UDP and TCP) (SNI required)
> 
> The Call Home DOTS client is available at dotsserver.ddos-secure.net port
> 4647 (both UDP and TCP)
> 
>  
> 
> To access using PKI, Certificates are the same as used by godots and are
> available from https://github.com/nttdots/go-dots/tree/master/certs.
> 
> To access the DOTS server, you need to use client-cert.pem and
> client-key.pem
> 
> To access the Call Home DOTS client, you need to use server-cert.pem and
> server-key.pem.
> 
>  
> 
> Alternatively, using PSK, the Pre-Shared Key is 12345678  and the DOTS
> client Identity must be client.example.server.com .
> 
>  
> 
> It is possible to set the configuration up as a DOTS gateway, but your DOTS
> server needs to be pre-configured so that traffic can be gatewayed to it, as
> well as use a different client key that has a different common name (but
> created from the same godots CA) so traffic can be differentiated from that
> using client-cert.pem which access the DOTS server only.
> 
>  
> 
> The local DOTS server will accept mitigation requests for 1.1.1.69,
> 1.1.1.71, 1.1.2.0/24 and 2001:db8:6401::/96.
> 
>  
> 
> Diagnostic messages should be self-explanatory as to what the (perceived)
> issue is.
> 
>  
> 
> It is possible that there may be brief outages whenever the s/w is updated.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
>  
> 
> Jon
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Hi,

the WGLC period is over. Since nobody objected to the changes made in draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-39
concerning the new heartbeat mechanism, we can declare a WG consensus and IESG evaluation of the draft can go ahead.

Regards,
Frank & Valery.

> Hi,
> 
> this message starts a one week Working Group Last Call for draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-39.
> The last call will end on 9 December 2019. The purpose of this call is to review and approve
> the changes in a heartbeat mechanism introduced in the last version of the draft to address
> TSV AD concerns raised during IESG evaluation. Please, review the changes made to the draft
> since -30 version (that was sent to IESG), with a focus on the new heartbeat mechanism.
> 
> Note, that this WGLS is only one week long, please try to meet the deadline.
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Hi Med, hi all,

Just restarting the thread from here but based on the latest version =
that was submitted (-39). Thanks a lot for the update and the additional =
work you put in the draft as well as implementation! Really happy to see =
that you found a solution and that is works!

I think I=E2=80=99m ready to resolve my discuss just two more minor =
questions on the new wording in the draft. However, I don=E2=80=99t =
think there are any remaining technical issues and we might just ned to =
make sure the wording is clear.

Ben pinged me already about this part:
"Mitigation requests MUST NOT be delayed=09
 because of other congestion control checks.  Typically, mitigation=09
 requests must be sent without checks on probing rate (Section 4.7 of=09
 [RFC7252]).=E2=80=9D
My understanding right now is that there anyway can only be one active =
mitigation request at a time=E2=80=A6? If that is the case please note =
this explicitly here because that inherently limits the =E2=80=9Crate" =
at which mitigation request can be sent. However, I also don=E2=80=99t =
really understand what the two sentences above are meant to say. I =
looked again at section 4.7 of RFC7257 and am not sure what you are =
referring to. Can you explain/clarify?

Later on there is this sentence:
=E2=80=9CThe DOTS client MUST then try to resume the (D)TLS session.=E2=80=
=9D
Does it say anywhere in the document how often/how long it should retry? =
I think nevertheless we need some kind of termination condition here are =
retrying to infinity doesn=E2=80=99t seem the =E2=80=9Cbest=E2=80=9D =
approach.

Thanks!
Mirja



> On 17. Jul 2019, at 14:15, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
>=20
> Hi Mirja,
>=20
> Glad to see that we are progressing. With regards to the remaining =
issue, let's recap on the intended functionality and general =
observations.
>=20
> * What is the intended functionality?
>=20
> (1) What we need is a check to assess the liveness of the peer DOTS =
agent + maintain NAT/FW state on on-path devices.=20
>=20
> (2) CoAP does not impose how CoAP Ping messages should be sent, how =
their response (or lack of) should be interpreted, etc. This is left to =
the application.
>=20
> (3) In a DDoS context, failure to receive heartbeats ** should not ** =
be systematically interpreted as the session is defunct. To that aim, a =
specific behavior is followed at the DOTS layer (not CoAP layer). The =
DOTS layer instructs the CoAP layer (DOTS session, and mitigation =
operations) accordingly.  =20
>=20
> * Why CoAP Pings?
>=20
> CoAP Pings naturally achieve (1). These messages are interesting =
because they have small message sizes. CoAP Ping uses Empty Confirmable =
message (no request) and the response is a Reset message (which is =
empty).
>=20
> CoAP Ping can be used ** as-is ** during idle time (no attack). =
Multiple Ping failures and Ping exchange in both directions is required =
only during the attack time to really detect if the peer is dead or =
alive (because of (3)).
>=20
> This is aligned with (2).
>=20
> * Why not DOTS-specific messages?
>=20
> If we have to define such message, it needs to be the smallest =
footprint as practical. An Empty message is inexpensive, nevertheless =
empty Non-confirmable messages are not allowed (See rfc7252#section-4.3) =
and sending the Reset message is optional.=20
>=20
> Furthermore, if heartbeats were non-confirmable that means that we =
would need to get the application layer to do any recovery work. It is =
much simpler to make them confirmable and delegate the recovery work to =
CoAP layer.=20
>=20
> So, even if we did it in the DOTS layer it will be the same as "CoAP =
ping".
>=20
> The WG did not see a reason to re-do the same in the application =
layer. In DOTS, the CoAP ping is initiated by the application (DOTS =
layer itself) and CoAP layer only handles the retransmissions. The =
proposed mechanism does not require an update to the CoAP stack other =
with the assumption that callback handlers are supported to give =
visibility of when a ping or pong was received by the CoAP layer in the =
application layer. As such, the current design is pragmatic.=20
>=20
> The DOTS layer has the ** full control required for the intended =
functionality **.
>=20
> * Why separating heartbeats parameters from CoAP transmission ones?
>=20
> We need to allow for a differentiated handling of heartbeats during =
idle/mitigation times. To that aim, we defined specific heartbeat =
parameters for each of these times without touching the CoAP connection =
parameters. All the message transmission parameters including =
missing-hb-allowed are configurable using the DOTS signal channel (see =
draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-35#section-4.5) and these message =
transmission parameter including the missing-hb-allowed is only used for =
UDP transport.
>=20
> One last comment about adjusting CoAP parameter values, we spent in =
the WG a lot of cycles to discuss this particular point. The conclusion =
of the WG is that 4 retransmits (that corresponds to the default value =
of MAX_RETRANSMIT) are not sufficient to detect the session is =
disconnected during volumetric=20
> DDoS attack saturating the incoming link, and which will lead to high =
packet loss. This is why multiple heartbeat losses are required to =
detect the session is defunct.
>=20
> Unless there is a flaw with the current design (fail to achieve the =
intended functionality, implementation complexity, side effects, ...), =
we don't see a reason to change the current approach.=20
>=20
> Thank you.=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Jon/Tiru/Med
>=20
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]
>> Envoy=C3=A9 : mardi 16 juillet 2019 17:41
>> =C3=80 : Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy
>> Cc : Jon Shallow; BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; draft-ietf-dots-signal-
>> channel@ietf.org; dots@ietf.org; frank.xialiang@huawei.com; The IESG;
>> dots-chairs@ietf.org; Benjamin Kaduk
>> Objet : Re: [Dots] Behavior when keep-alives fail (RE: Mirja =
K=C3=BChlewind's
>> Discuss on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31: (with DISCUSS and =
COMMENT)
>>=20
>> Hi Tiru,
>>=20
>> Thanks for the updates. I think there is one remaining issue on the =
use of
>> ping/heart-beats (see also my other message). However, I believe all =
other
>> discuss points have been addressed now. Thanks for that!
>>=20
>> Mirja
>>=20
>>=20
>=20


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Hi Med,

See below.

> On 12. Dec 2019, at 09:12, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
>=20
> Hi Mirja,
>=20
> Thank you for the feedback.=20
>=20
> Please see inline.=20
>=20
> Cheers,
> Med
>=20
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : Mirja Kuehlewind [mailto:ietf@kuehlewind.net]
>> Envoy=C3=A9 : mercredi 11 d=C3=A9cembre 2019 15:42
>> =C3=80 : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN
>> Cc : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel@ietf.org; Benjamin Kaduk; dots-
>> chairs@ietf.org; dots@ietf.org; The IESG
>> Objet : Re: [Dots] Behavior when keep-alives fail (RE: Mirja =
K=C3=BChlewind's
>> Discuss on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31: (with DISCUSS and =
COMMENT)
>>=20
>> Hi Med, hi all,
>>=20
>> Just restarting the thread from here but based on the latest version =
that
>> was submitted (-39). Thanks a lot for the update and the additional =
work
>> you put in the draft as well as implementation! Really happy to see =
that
>> you found a solution and that is works!
>>=20
>> I think I=E2=80=99m ready to resolve my discuss just two more minor =
questions on
>> the new wording in the draft. However, I don=E2=80=99t think there =
are any
>> remaining technical issues and we might just ned to make sure the =
wording
>> is clear.
>>=20
>> Ben pinged me already about this part:
>> "Mitigation requests MUST NOT be delayed
>> because of other congestion control checks.  Typically, mitigation
>> requests must be sent without checks on probing rate (Section 4.7 of
>> [RFC7252]).=E2=80=9D
>> My understanding right now is that there anyway can only be one =
active
>> mitigation request at a time=E2=80=A6?
>=20
> [Med] Exactly. One mitigation request for a mitigation scope is =
allowed. The authoritative behavior is:=20
>=20
>   DOTS agents MUST NOT send more than one UDP datagram per round-trip
>   time (RTT) to the peer DOTS agent
>=20
> and
>=20
>   If the DOTS client cannot maintain an RTT estimate, it MUST
>   NOT send more than one Non-confirmable request every 3 seconds, and
>   SHOULD use an even less aggressive rate whenever possible
>=20
> The excerpt you quoted is a guard against delaying a mitigation =
request because, e.g., of a very low probing-rate. We want to make sure =
that the first mitigation is sent as soon as possible.=20
>=20
> The two guards we have for this are discussed in Slide 8 of =
https://datatracker.ietf.org/meeting/106/materials/slides-106-dots-dots-si=
gnal-channel-heartbeat-mechanism-update-00.=20


Great this is all fine. I still think the wording in these sentences is =
confusing as it says "other congestion control checks=E2=80=9D. Given =
this is already well defined, can we maybe just removed those two =
sentences (in order to avoid similar confusion as I had for the reader)?

>=20
>=20
> If that is the case please note this
>> explicitly here because that inherently limits the =E2=80=9Crate" at =
which
>> mitigation request can be sent.
>=20
> [Med] This is mentioned in the sentence right before the one you =
quoted.=20
>=20
> However, I also don=E2=80=99t really understand
>> what the two sentences above are meant to say. I looked again at =
section
>> 4.7 of RFC7257 and am not sure what you are referring to. Can you
>> explain/clarify?
>=20
> [Med]  As explained above, we are referring to the probing-rate =
behavior in 4.7 RFC7252:
>=20
>   The specific algorithm by which a client stops to "expect" a =
response
>   to a Confirmable request that was acknowledged, or to a Non-
>   confirmable request, is not defined.  Unless this is modified by
>   additional congestion control optimizations, it MUST be chosen in
>   such a way that an endpoint does not exceed an average data rate of
>   PROBING_RATE in sending to another endpoint that does not respond.
>=20
>>=20
>> Later on there is this sentence:
>> =E2=80=9CThe DOTS client MUST then try to resume the (D)TLS =
session.=E2=80=9D
>> Does it say anywhere in the document how often/how long it should =
retry? I
>> think nevertheless we need some kind of termination condition here =
are
>> retrying to infinity doesn=E2=80=99t seem the =E2=80=9Cbest=E2=80=9D =
approach.
>=20
> [Med] This is left to the implementation. Please note that we followed =
the same approach for when an old session expires (see for example, =
point #3 in this thread: =
https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dots/pdiC4xsbQiaazm14hvdTLefcUeY)

I was rather talking about the number of retries than an expiration =
time. E.g. one could say: "The DOTS client SHOULD try to reconnect =
RECON_NUM times with a default of RECON_NUM=3D5=E2=80=9D
Do you think it would be possible to say anything like that?

Mirja


>=20


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Hi,

the call for adoption is over. It seems that there is a strong interest in this work in the WG,
so the draft is adopted. Authors, please re-submit the draft with draft-ietf-dots-* name.

Regards,
Frank & Valery.

> Hi,
> 
> at the DOTS meeting at IETF106 we had a hum for an adoption of draft-reddy-dots-telemetry-04.
> The feeling in the room was that the draft should be adopted. To confirm this outcome on the list
> this message starts a two weeks long call for adoption for this draft. Please, send your opinions
> to the list before 16 December 2019 (please do it even if you have already hummed at the meeting).
> 
> Regards,
> Frank & Valery.
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Telemetry
        Authors         : Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Ehud Doron
                          Meiling Chen
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-telemetry-00.txt
	Pages           : 43
	Date            : 2019-12-17

Abstract:
   This document aims to enrich DOTS signal channel protocol with
   various telemetry attributes allowing optimal DDoS attack mitigation.
   This document specifies the normal traffic baseline and attack
   traffic telemetry attributes a DOTS client can convey to its DOTS
   server in the mitigation request, the mitigation status telemetry
   attributes a DOTS server can communicate to a DOTS client, and the
   mitigation efficacy telemetry attributes a DOTS client can
   communicate to a DOTS server.  The telemetry attributes can assist
   the mitigator to choose the DDoS mitigation techniques and perform
   optimal DDoS attack mitigation.


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Hi all,

FWIW, the pending issues for this draft can be seen at: https://github.com/=
boucadair/draft-dots-telemetry/issues=20

Feel free to add new issues or comment on existing ones.=20

Cheers,
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> Signaling (DOTS) Telemetry
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A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts directories.
This draft is a work item of the DDoS Open Threat Signaling WG of the IETF.

        Title           : Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification
        Authors         : Tirumaleswar Reddy
                          Mohamed Boucadair
                          Prashanth Patil
                          Andrew Mortensen
                          Nik Teague
	Filename        : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-40.txt
	Pages           : 108
	Date            : 2019-12-18

Abstract:
   This document specifies the DOTS signal channel, a protocol for
   signaling the need for protection against Distributed Denial-of-
   Service (DDoS) attacks to a server capable of enabling network
   traffic mitigation on behalf of the requesting client.

   A companion document defines the DOTS data channel, a separate
   reliable communication layer for DOTS management and configuration
   purposes.

Editorial Note (To be removed by RFC Editor)

   Please update these statements within the document with the RFC
   number to be assigned to this document:

   o  "This version of this YANG module is part of RFC XXXX;"

   o  "RFC XXXX: Distributed Denial-of-Service Open Threat Signaling
      (DOTS) Signal Channel Specification";

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   Please update TBD/TBD1/TBD2 statements with the assignments made by
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   Also, please update the "revision" date of the YANG modules.


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Hi Mirja,=20

This version addresses your two last comments.=20

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Hi,

while preparing shepherd write-up for draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-06 
I should collect confirmations from each author and contributor that 
any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full conformance 
with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed.

Please confirm this by replying to this message.

Regards,
Valery.



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Hi Valery, all,

I don't have nor I'm aware of any IPR related to this draft.=20

Cheers,
Med

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I too hold no IPR for this draft.

-Tiru

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> > Hi,
> >
> > while preparing shepherd write-up for
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> > 06
> > I should collect confirmations from each author and contributor that
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> >
> > Please confirm this by replying to this message.
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> > Regards,
> > Valery.
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Hi Tiru,

is it assumed that you also are not aware of any IPR?
Sorry for being pedantic, but BCP 78 and BCP 79
requires authors to confirm that not only they don't hold
any IPR, but they also are not aware of any
(e.g. hold by their employer).

Thank you,
Valery.


> I too hold no IPR for this draft.
>=20
> -Tiru
>=20
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 1:25 PM
> > To: Valery Smyslov <valery@smyslov.net>; draft-ietf-dots-server-
> > discovery@ietf.org; praspati@cisco.com
> > Cc: dots@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > Subject: RE: IPR disclouser for draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-06
> >
> > CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments =
unless you
> > recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
> >
> > Hi Valery, all,
> >
> > I don't have nor I'm aware of any IPR related to this draft.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> >
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De=A0: Valery Smyslov [mailto:valery@smyslov.net] Envoy=E9=A0: =
lundi 23
> > > d=E9cembre 2019 08:30 =C0=A0: =
draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery@ietf.org;
> > > praspati@cisco.com Cc=A0: dots@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org =
Objet=A0:
> > > IPR disclouser for draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-06
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > while preparing shepherd write-up for
> > > draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-
> > > 06
> > > I should collect confirmations from each author and contributor =
that
> > > any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full =
conformance
> > > with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already been filed.
> > >
> > > Please confirm this by replying to this message.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Valery.
> > >


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Subject: Re: [Dots] IPR disclosure for draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-06
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Valery Smyslov <valery@smyslov.net>
> Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 4:35 PM
> To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy
> <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>;
> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com; draft-ietf-dots-server-
> discovery@ietf.org; praspati@cisco.com
> Cc: dots@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org
> Subject: RE: IPR disclosure for draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-06
>=20
> CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments unless yo=
u
> recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
>=20
> Hi Tiru,
>=20
> is it assumed that you also are not aware of any IPR?

Yes, I am not aware of any IPR related to this draft.

-Tiru

> Sorry for being pedantic, but BCP 78 and BCP 79 requires authors to confi=
rm
> that not only they don't hold any IPR, but they also are not aware of any=
 (e.g.
> hold by their employer).
>=20
> Thank you,
> Valery.
>=20
>=20
> > I too hold no IPR for this draft.
> >
> > -Tiru
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 23, 2019 1:25 PM
> > > To: Valery Smyslov <valery@smyslov.net>; draft-ietf-dots-server-
> > > discovery@ietf.org; praspati@cisco.com
> > > Cc: dots@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > > Subject: RE: IPR disclouser for draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-06
> > >
> > > CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments
> > > unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.
> > >
> > > Hi Valery, all,
> > >
> > > I don't have nor I'm aware of any IPR related to this draft.
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Med
> > >
> > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > De=A0: Valery Smyslov [mailto:valery@smyslov.net] Envoy=E9=A0: lund=
i 23
> > > > d=E9cembre 2019 08:30 =C0=A0: draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery@ietf=
.org;
> > > > praspati@cisco.com Cc=A0: dots@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org Objet=
=A0:
> > > > IPR disclouser for draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-06
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > while preparing shepherd write-up for
> > > > draft-ietf-dots-server-discovery-
> > > > 06
> > > > I should collect confirmations from each author and contributor
> > > > that any and all appropriate IPR disclosures required for full
> > > > conformance with the provisions of BCP 78 and BCP 79 have already
> been filed.
> > > >
> > > > Please confirm this by replying to this message.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Valery.
> > > >

